What if Nick Saban had never left LSU? 👀 | ESPN College Football
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- Matt Barrie and Paul Finebaum to discuss a hypothetical scenario in which Alabama HC Nick Saban never left LSU for the Miami Dolphins in 2005.
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Not only this, but I also think of how the history of American sports would have been changed if the Dolphins Dr had cleared the signing of Drew Brees to Miami instead of going to NOLA. Saban may not have left Miami so soon, the Saints most definitely wouldn't have won their Super Bowl & who knows what Alabama would have been.
As an LSU fan this topic hurts my core to think about...
I remember that Christmas morning feeling.
It's always been interesting speculation what Texas A&M would have been if Paul "Bear" Bryant had stayed there. But he didn't and he won 6 National Championships (by NCAA numbers) at Alabama.
Certainly, I'm sure Alabama culture plays a part, but you can't argue that LSU and A&M don't have a great culture also.
In the end it's what might of been, not what would of been.
LSU seems to get tremendous Talent so he would probably actually have more championships. Hate to say that as a Bama fan
@@Turley30 I was so glad when he left LSU
@@Turley30 lsu always had more talent just cuz of the school not of coach
LSU would definitely have more National Championships. The QB situation at LSU would have definitely been more consistent.
It’s very debatable given the difficulty of the BCS.
2003 - LSU shouldn’t have even been in the championship.
2004 - 5 Undefeated teams (USC, Oklahoma, Utah, Auburn, Boise State). Good luck even getting past that Auburn team. You’d likely jump Utah and BSU, even tho Utah annihilated their schedule, then you gotta play one of the best teams of the 21st century in USC, which you’re getting slaughtered in….
2005 - you’re really gonna make a case over Vince Young Texas or Leinart USC?
2006 - Florida arguably didn’t even deserve to be in this game. Maybe you beat Ohio State….. Boise State also went undefeated but got snubbed for the 3rd time.
2007 - Good luck with this season….. If you think you can assume anything this season you’re probably going 0-12…. Kansas finished with best record and 7 of the Top 8 finished with the same record at two losses.
2008 - The two teams that went h defeated didn’t make the championship (Utah breaks the SOS argument, BSU gets snubbed for the 4th time). The B12 was by far the most competitive this season. Oklahoma arguably didn’t even really deserve the game, Texas destroyed them but didn’t make their conferences championship game. USC ran into the same problem despite being the obvious pick for the PAC. You change one thing in the season and you can have completely different teams making a title push.
2009 - 5 teams went undefeated. Is LSU replacing Bama? Ok tbh Texas had no business being in the championship game over TCU, which now instead of playing injured Colt MCCoy you’re going against the #1 defense in the country. (oh BSU got snubbed for the 5th time).
Would also be a little problematic that you barely beat the 3rd worst PAC team and BSU slaughtered PAC Champ that season.
2010 - Doesn’t really matter cuz the teams in the championship game were not the best teams…..
The fact that Oregon jumped Boise State this season despite Boise State being on a 32 game win streak (which literally included wins over Oregon) should tell you this season was a f@cking joke.
So you win the SEC, fine but you put anyone you want against 2010 TCU or Boise State and you’re losing…… No doubt….
It was criminal how bad those teams were snubbed…..
#1 total defense, #4 total offense, #2 margin of victory (31.4ppg); wins over #8, #14, #21, #24; Back to Back Undefeated
#2 total offense, #2 total defense, #1 margin of victory (36.7ppg); wins over #8, #13, #18, #24; 35-1 in 3 years; 5 consecutive years undefeated against the P5; back to back to back OOC wins Over P5 conference champs
You’re just not living that…..
@@brian2440 it has been proven with how long it took Utah to be competitive in the Pac 12 and TCU has had two good years in the big 12. That those teams didn’t deserve anything and a by product of a weak schedule. Look at cincy last year. The playoffs are for the Big 2 (SEC and Big Ten) only.
@@jdscrubs3 Yet those teams played a harder schedule than 90% of the teams that make the playoffs today…..
You’re really comparing 21 Cincinnati to 2010 TCU? That’s hilarious……
2010 TCU scored on average 12.1 more ppg and allowed 7.6 less ppg than 2021 Cincinnati despite playing 3 more top 25 teams as Cincinnati. 2010 TCU literally shutout 4 teams. You know how many Cinci shutout? Zero….
They also beat 2 Top 15 teams by 35+ (something Cinci never came even close to doing). 21 Cinci best claim was an 11 point road win against #6 Notre Dame. By comparison TCU beat #6 Utah in 2010 47-7…..
Furthermore, your argument really doesn’t make any sense, when TCU literally beat #4 Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl……
You also failed to recognize the fact that TCU has never had any defense even remotely comparable to their 2009 and 2010 squads, which featured 8 NFL defensive players. Plus last time I checked TCU has never had a QB make it to the NFL since 2010, and that QB literally still plays in the NFL. Plus they had 5 more offensive players go to the NFL.
@@brian2440 schedule matters. Anybody can get up for one game. Beat Wisconsin one week, big deal. Turn around and play at OSU, at Michigan at Michigan St. the next week. Etc. oh wait they had to do that in the Big 12 which is a joke and couldn’t handle it.
@@jdscrubs3 And yet they went 24-0 which included 7 Top 25 wins; 5 Top 20 wins; 4 Top 15 wins, and 1 Top 10 win.
They went 34-2 in the season in 3 years only losing to #2 Utah and #3 Oklahoma in 2008. They proceeded to beat #11 BYU in 08; #12 BYU, #14 GT, #16 Utah in 09; #8 Utah, #14 OSU, #21 Air Force, and #24 Oregon State in 2010.
They literally beat more ranked teams in 2010 than Wisconsin or Oregon did….
Like what in the f@ck is your claim here?
As someone from Baton Rouge everything he said about Saban's ties to Baton Rouge is 100% true.
LSU would be more dominant and have more titles if he never left.
Yes, LSU would be Bama. He admitted himself he regretted leaving LSU.
-Alabama would have hired RichRod in 2007 and remained irrelevant to this day
-The Dolphins hire someone else in 2005 (idk who)
-LSU dominates the SEC
-Auburn keeps beating Alabama
Alabama would have Tim Tebow if it wasn't for the HIRING of Urban Meyer
Even more interesting question: would everyone hate LSU the way everyone currently hates Alabama now if this scenario were reality.
As an LSU fan....that would be the ultimate compliment
Possibly. However Bama fans tend to cling on to titles won decades in the past. Not to say the current generation is without merit however without Saban it's non-existant. They also have an enormous sense of entitlement because of that. Like Notre Dame and Michigan fans talking about titles decades ago. Meanwhile 3 of 4 of LSU's titles have come within the last 20 years and losing a 4th in the same period. All with different coaching staffs. Imagine what Saban would have done with the available talent and consistency had he stayed. LSU might have surpassed the UCLA basketball team sd the best dynasty ever in any sport.
Not quite as many. Some hated Bama going back to the 60s.
Alabama has been a hated power king before Saban. Hated but respected.
If Saban stayed at LSU they would have at least 4 National Titles
In what years?
2005 or 06 or 07
2011
@@jdscrubs3 2005 you really think your beating UT or USC?
Kinda bold to claim you’re gonna makeup a 20 point deficit over Georgia. But even if you went undefeated you’d have to look more convincing than USC and Texas. And realistically with USC being champions in 2004 you’d have to look more convincing than Texas, because they’re not taking out an undefeated reining champion.
And the SEC had a lot ranked teams in 05 but so did the B12, and Texas beat #4 Ohio State in OOC. Nobody on LSUs schedule comes even close to that in terms of OOC significance.
2006 - This season was controversial with even selecting Florida to the championship. If this season existed with 2011 rules the SEC doesn’t even make the title game and it’s a rehash of #1 Ohio State vs #2 Michigan.
Maybe you get this game. This is likely the most probable championship if you had to pick one.
2007 - you’re a fool if you think anything about this season could be assumed for a title. Honestly LSU shouldn’t have even been in the game. Georgia was literally the highest ranked SEC team and you didn’t even play them.
And honestly if you’re gonna claim 07 then you basically need to be able to claim that you will undeniably and convincingly beat the entire Top 10 of this season, cuz the rankings were a clusterf@ck…..
1. Ohio State actually had the same conference record as Illinois, and Illinois beat Ohio State, but due to a round robin with Michigan and that Illinois lost to Mizzou at the start of the season OSU won the B10. This is one of 4 conference round robins this season.
2. #1 USC lost in a game they were favored by 45 points to win at home…. You think that’s happening again?
3. Kansas and Mizzou were the highest ranked b12 teams, but due to divisions the winner had to play Oklahoma for conference. Kansas had the best record of the season, but didn’t even get to play for their conference title.
Mizzou had arguably the best claim with the most Top 10 wins including some OOC, but because they lost the conference they couldn’t make it despite still outranking Oklahoma.
4. #2 West Virginia, Pat Macafee misses a FG in the last game of the season and they miss the championship. Also they lost 6 weeks prior when they were previously ranked #2 in the country.
@@jdscrubs3 2011 I’d argue LSU still won cuz it was total nonsense that Alabama even made the game again
As an lsu fan of he would've stayed we wouldve have kept winning and it's sad to think about i liked Les miles but god he was so stubborn which is why he didn't get us more then 1 title 🥺🥺🥺🐯🐯🐯🐯
LSU would have 9 or 10 rings since 2000
You know how many Louisiana players won championships playing for Alabama. Look it up that hurt the most. But can’t blame them coach Saban recruited Louisiana cuz we have athletes
Isu really should have 7 natties since 2000 they definitely would’ve been a dynasty with saban
LSU would have been the best team in the country if Saban. They did good right after he left it was still his players that recruited that made LSU good over the next few years.
They would be what Alabama is now
Probably better. Saban want every Louisiana recruit he can get his hands on
@@MultiKool13 and he would have and did have all of them.
I think the bigger picture is that regardless LSU has played for 3 nattys without him & won 2 of em playing in the same division & conference as Bama during the greatest run of cfb history! & the other loss in the natty was to Saban & Bama whom shouldn’t even been in the natty after losing at home to us! That’s astonishing to think bc no one else outside of LSU has more titles besides Bama this century! BK will do what Saban should have done in the next 10 yrs
Alabama was by far the best team in the nation in 2011. The real national champ was crowned. Don’t play games.
@@crimsonkings205 bama shouldn’t of been there tho
@@rshd9193 why shouldn’t Alabama have been there? The wannabes ahead of them all lost to lousy teams. Bama should’ve beat LSU first time around. Rolled right over them for Natty. Maybe LSU shouldn’t have been there…as long as all this imaginary football is being played in the comments. RGDMFT!!!!!
@@seldomseensavage3459 it’s a couple of reasons why they shouldn’t have been in there like Oklahoma state beating more top 25 teams while having the better record and Alabama not even going to the sec championship literally had no right to be in there lol and and how you gonna say lsu shouldn’t of been there when they were undefeated and beat more tough teams😂 only reason why they rolled over lsu in the natty is because les miles acted like he can’t coach and always tried to get pretty with Jefferson if miles actually stuck to his coaching during the season then lsu wins again
@@rshd9193 and Ok State lost badly once they’d jumped up. If you look at LSU & BAMA’S scores & margins against common opponents, they’re almost identical. “Beat more tough teams” huh? What?
“A deer in the headlights” is how LSU was described in the NC game. Both were great defensive teams, but BAMA was better. So who else should’ve been in that maybe LSU could’ve beaten?
Best team dominated no matter who you want to blame
It will be less Alabama fans and more LSU fans🤣💯
What if Urban Meyer stayed at UF?
A clear and present fact: Like him, hate him, admire him, despise him - Saban is the best college FB coach in the history of the game. To deny that is delusional. As an LSU die-hard, I do wish he had never left Baton Rouge. His undeniable success is admirable. Beating Bama is very difficult. Bama is always "in the hunt".
If Steve Spurrier would have been named as LSU's head coach instead of Mike Archer......... we never hear of Saban in the south.
LSU will play Georgia SEC championship game 🤔
Son of a gun, gonna have some fun
on the bayou
I remember the day he resign. I was hoping Bobby Petrino would have been hired instead of Les.
Kirby Smart would've became hc at Bama.
LSU won 2 without him, both while he was in the division, get it right 😂
Broke: What if Nick Saban stayed with LSU
Woke: *What if Nick Saban coached his alma mater, Kent State?*
What if he has never left MSU…..
LSU secondary not 🗑️🤔
I think he would've still won a few titles with LSU but they wouldn't have been as dominant as his Alabama Dynasty is. If you look at his record he was there 5 years and only had one 1 loss season which was the only Natty he had there as well. At Alabama in his first 5 years he won 2 Nattys, had 2 1 loss season and an undefeated season. I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2 greatest college football coaches of all time both happened to play at Bama. I think there is something about the culture of Alabama and the people involved that allow someone like Saban to reach their full potential there. Saban needed Bama as much as Bama needed Saban I think to make this dynasty.
Saban was a nobody when LSU hired him. He had to build his brand. When Alabama hired him, he had a national title on his resume and two years as an NFL HC. Way more impressive to recruits. Plus, seven more years of general coaching experience. Huge difference.
Yeah lsu would be bama Bryce young would be the lsu QB and Joe burrow would’ve played somewhere else
Lsu would have 6 championships
I’m not sure Saban wins as many. Alabama could have ended up with someone decent. They were never going to be irrelevant forever. Also, playing Urban Meyer every regular season could have been a problem.
yea, I think its completely silly for paul to.say this. during this run there's been alot of good teams in the SEC. I also think Alabama would've eventually figured it out even without saban. not saying they would've built a dynasty, but Bama wasn't going to stay bad forever.
Back in the early 2000's, someone probably said, 'Nebraska ... they're never going to be irrelevant forever'. Tom Osborn dominated the later part of the 90's. His last Natty was '97. The next few coaches won with his players and schemes but have done nothing Natty-wise for the last 25 years. Without Saban, bama could easily have followed in Nebraska's footsteps. Nebraska fans probably feel like it's been "Forever" ! ^v^
@@taproom113 Nebraskas big mistake was leaving the big12, they lost a big recruiting presence in the Texas/ Oklahoma when they left. Alabama was always in a goldmine with the SEC. A big part of Alabama's downfall was probation. That set them back for year's.
@@mmeloy90 Truth! ^v^
Pick guitar,
fill fruit jar,
and be gayo
Then ole miss would have won the sec west in 2003 if saban did not come to lsu should stayed at Michigan state
Georgia got the game on lock for the next decade.
Sure.
You have the 🔐... but I have the 🔑
*UNLOCKED
Doubtful
Doubt. LSU owns Georgia
Les Miles would've been the coach at Michigan after Lloyd Carr retired..LSU would've won the national championship in 2007, 2009, and 2011, and Nick Saban would've left for Indianapolis Colts' coaching position..Les Miles struggles at Michigan..LSU hires Les Miles..Alabama has Dabo Swinney as their coach..LSU and Les Miles win the national championship in 2013 with Nick Saban's recruits..The Bowl Championship Series stays after 2013 and is still here till present day..The Playoff never gets created⁉🟪🏈💺🏟🏆