But that's completely different though. "The secret to + gerund" is an expression. "It's the secret to cooking." or "Do you want to know the secret to getting rich?" for example. When he said "a secret to help you find these exceptions" in the first clip, he's not using the phrase "the secret to", he's saying he's about to share a secret in order to help people find exceptions. Both constructions are correct and each one is used in a slightly different context.
@@Cotita not the same. Don't you see? Dave decided to mislead people posting wrong comparison of two different not connected cases of using "secret". Kevin is doing write things. He doesn't mislead. That's the point. How come it is not clear to you? Or you support those who intentionally mislead people?
@@pashu16af Kevin and Lisa do mislead people just to get views out of controversy with false arguments and fallacies (maybe you just haven't realized), I've proven it in other comments in this same comment section but I don't feel like writing it all again. The point is that it's a dose of their own medicine
@@Cotita false arguments? How come? They correct improper English taught by other vloggers. This really helps in learning, the mistakes become unforgettable. Ok, so you suggest that those other people can teach improper English? That is your point then. I think Kevin points out real mistakes, but Dave just compares incomparable in this case.
Dave, let it go. Kevin is just being Kevin. Although most of his content is good and educational the methods are questionable. Personally I find him boring and botlike , but people are actually learning from his content and enjoying the lessons. You've mentioned that you would like to concentrate on online teaching and expressed your dislike for YT, so stick to your guns. Ignore Kevin, criticising other learning channels is what's generating views on his channel. Not sure if the result is what he originally expected cause Marina seems to be doing pretty well,which doesn't stop him regardless. So in my opinion you should do what you enjoy doing most and let him do what he does best, sabotaging others. Maybe he doesn't know any other way
I don’t care if Kevin is boring, learning a language is a difficult process that requires a lot of time and energy. I’m extremely grateful to Kevin and Lisa for making real quality content.
Also, to sum it up. As a non native English speaker I know how hard it may be to start communicating in the chosen language. Now imagine you’re too afraid to speak - because in your head you’re overcorrecting yourself , double checking everything. You can’t write a message without googling 😢the proper forms and double checking everything etc. I have an entitled friend like that - he believes no one should even open up their mouths unless it’s 100% grammatically correct and 100% GA. And every teacher knows this is such bs 😂.
The main problem with all these teachers, which is the same that brings about all these discussions, is the "sounding like an American/British" thing. People should learn proper English, taking into account its variations. That's all.
If Kevin and Liza actually had an educational purpose on exposing other people's mistakes rather than subtly mocking their work just to show some self-proclaimed superiority that makes them prevail on English teaching, many students would've already progressed with their abilities.
Evidenced by their growing platform, subscribers and positive comments, hundreds have benefited from their method. Dave, as a native English speaking teacher, shouldn't be that careless. He pretends to attract potential students to his business yet he doesn't want to make an effort or put in the work by creating good content for his platform. He should post short videos at least 3 times a week and teach some English. I could understand Marina making these types of mistakes, but Dave claims to be a professional English teacher. He should double check the content that he rarely posts. Dave called them out on some incorrect info on one of their videos and they deleted it.
@@lordnikon6809don't get misled by the "positive" comments though. They leave only the comments they want to show and delete the rest, their videos only get views because of the controversy
@@Cotita I see some negative comments there too, but the important thing is that people are learning from them. They're not only pointing out mistakes, they're also teaching and it's very beneficial to those who are learning. None of their videos is a random rant, but they take their time to plan what they teach. You can pick any of their videos and learn. That's how you attract students. There's a difference between picking on someone and correcting. Should Dave have a rebuttal, he shouldn't act childish and just point it out, that's all. There are many great American English Teachers on TH-cam, but there are many wannabes too.
I have been learning English on my own for almost 5 months and even though I have some grammar books, I always rely on the English teachers that I find here on TH-cam. Teachers here in my country are just bad. Overall, I think one of the best methods to learn a new language is just to have fun with it while learning it, otherwise you are going to get bored and uninterested. Some teachers tend to be so gramatically perfect that the process becomes really boring. At the end of the day, what we all people want is to be able to speak English fluently and correctly but not to the extent of perfection (and yes I know that I made a lot of mistakes in this message).
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the English on their channel they are so dreadfully boring. Reminds me of the worst teachers I had at school. I'd fall asleep before learning anything from them. They are not good teachers.
You are wrong. They are not boring. From them you can learn something surprisingly new and interesting about even well-known expressions. I think they are just excellent teachers. And they do not go personal in their lessons about somebody's mistakes. They just correct them for the sake of a better English.
I personally would rather choose a teacher with personality not a bot like overcorrecting fake smiling toxic one. To me their whole quest to eliminate competition seems arrogant and unethical. I used to like their content but before they crossed that line and started nitpicking on absolutely any online teacher … gross . Also these methods are designed to shatter confidence and plant seeds of self doubt and anxiety. Dk whether it’s their goal or not - but it’s just not a healthy learning environment. Unsubbed. keep it up, Dave. don’t let them get into ya head .
I totally agree with you. At first they were doing a good job but then slowly their videos were all about they being right and others being wrong. I would say " English for Everyone with Kevin and Liza " TH-cam channel is now became a channel where they criticize other online teachers. It's like they're trying to prove they are the best
But that's completely different though.
"The secret to + gerund" is an expression. "It's the secret to cooking." or "Do you want to know the secret to getting rich?" for example.
When he said "a secret to help you find these exceptions" in the first clip, he's not using the phrase "the secret to", he's saying he's about to share a secret in order to help people find exceptions. Both constructions are correct and each one is used in a slightly different context.
Dave decided to mislead people, unfortunatly
Then he's doing the same English for Everyone does, they also take things out of context to create controversial videos. So it's fair
@@Cotita not the same. Don't you see? Dave decided to mislead people posting wrong comparison of two different not connected cases of using "secret". Kevin is doing write things. He doesn't mislead. That's the point. How come it is not clear to you? Or you support those who intentionally mislead people?
@@pashu16af Kevin and Lisa do mislead people just to get views out of controversy with false arguments and fallacies (maybe you just haven't realized), I've proven it in other comments in this same comment section but I don't feel like writing it all again. The point is that it's a dose of their own medicine
@@Cotita false arguments? How come? They correct improper English taught by other vloggers. This really helps in learning, the mistakes become unforgettable. Ok, so you suggest that those other people can teach improper English? That is your point then. I think Kevin points out real mistakes, but Dave just compares incomparable in this case.
Dave, let it go. Kevin is just being Kevin. Although most of his content is good and educational the methods are questionable. Personally I find him boring and botlike , but people are actually learning from his content and enjoying the lessons. You've mentioned that you would like to concentrate on online teaching and expressed your dislike for YT, so stick to your guns. Ignore Kevin, criticising other learning channels is what's generating views on his channel. Not sure if the result is what he originally expected cause Marina seems to be doing pretty well,which doesn't stop him regardless. So in my opinion you should do what you enjoy doing most and let him do what he does best, sabotaging others. Maybe he doesn't know any other way
I don’t care if Kevin is boring, learning a language is a difficult process that requires a lot of time and energy. I’m extremely grateful to Kevin and Lisa for making real quality content.
Dave doesn’t have any useful content on his TH-cam channel. And his criticism is hilarious.
@@20ilincsh Matter of fact, I find his videos rather relaxing thanks to his superb ASMR-tier microphone.
This has become an ego battle 😂 so funny
Dave, why are you misleading people? Don't be evil.
How am I misleading people? I used his own words? Sorry if it went over your head.
@@davesenglishDave you don't even know what flatware is 😮 "we're" you born in America? 😅😅😅
Also, to sum it up. As a non native English speaker I know how hard it may be to start communicating in the chosen language. Now imagine you’re too afraid to speak - because in your head you’re overcorrecting yourself , double checking everything. You can’t write a message without googling 😢the proper forms and double checking everything etc.
I have an entitled friend like that - he believes no one should even open up their mouths unless it’s 100% grammatically correct and 100% GA.
And every teacher knows this is such bs 😂.
The main problem with all these teachers, which is the same that brings about all these discussions, is the "sounding like an American/British" thing. People should learn proper English, taking into account its variations. That's all.
If Kevin and Liza actually had an educational purpose on exposing other people's mistakes rather than subtly mocking their work just to show some self-proclaimed superiority that makes them prevail on English teaching, many students would've already progressed with their abilities.
Evidenced by their growing platform, subscribers and positive comments, hundreds have benefited from their method. Dave, as a native English speaking teacher, shouldn't be that careless. He pretends to attract potential students to his business yet he doesn't want to make an effort or put in the work by creating good content for his platform. He should post short videos at least 3 times a week and teach some English. I could understand Marina making these types of mistakes, but Dave claims to be a professional English teacher. He should double check the content that he rarely posts. Dave called them out on some incorrect info on one of their videos and they deleted it.
@@lordnikon6809 But Kevin taught "on the snack aisle" and that is wrong. So he does make mistakes every now and then too.
@@lordnikon6809don't get misled by the "positive" comments though. They leave only the comments they want to show and delete the rest, their videos only get views because of the controversy
@@Cotita I'm a living proof. All my posts questioning their real intentions were deleted and I was blocked as well.
@@Cotita I see some negative comments there too, but the important thing is that people are learning from them. They're not only pointing out mistakes, they're also teaching and it's very beneficial to those who are learning. None of their videos is a random rant, but they take their time to plan what they teach. You can pick any of their videos and learn. That's how you attract students. There's a difference between picking on someone and correcting. Should Dave have a rebuttal, he shouldn't act childish and just point it out, that's all. There are many great American English Teachers on TH-cam, but there are many wannabes too.
I'm curious to know what Lucy thinks about them. They took her photo into the thumbnail.
I don't think Lucy cares.
Thank you for sharing this interesting video!!!
You want to draw people's attention using these contents.
You're misleading people in this one cuz you didnt show his full video : th-cam.com/video/N9TbDr3okPY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=x_E6UDXPO8YCbo_o
Wow, you are so perceptive! Obviously went over your head.
Great 👍🏻 no body is perfect
How is it Great?
Dave decided to mislead people. Don't be fooled. Read @kimp-zc8yz 's comment
Dave misleads people intentionally. How come it's great?
Poor Dave! Tsk tsk tsk
over-inflated ego? better than dictionaries? maybe that's his problem. too bad, because I really enjoy their channel.
Dave decided to mislead people. Don't be fooled. Read @kimp-zc8yz 's comment. Dave compared different cases, he is trying to fool you.
I’m on Linguamarina’s team. As Dave is also on her team, I support him!
I have been learning English on my own for almost 5 months and even though I have some grammar books, I always rely on the English teachers that I find here on TH-cam. Teachers here in my country are just bad. Overall, I think one of the best methods to learn a new language is just to have fun with it while learning it, otherwise you are going to get bored and uninterested. Some teachers tend to be so gramatically perfect that the process becomes really boring. At the end of the day, what we all people want is to be able to speak English fluently and correctly but not to the extent of perfection (and yes I know that I made a lot of mistakes in this message).
Kevin's answer th-cam.com/video/N9TbDr3okPY/w-d-xo.html
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Wow!
One more video about Kevin and I will unsubscribe from this channel
A few videos ago, Dave was the one who said "I can't fanthom" while he should have said "I can't fathom". 😂
Go ahead, unsubscribe. I don't really care.
@@JAPARICOFOREX Dude, I watched your videos. Your pronunciation is BAD.
Lol@@davesenglish
@aarongrajeda1563 two profiles?
You made English for Everyone show how salty they can be when they get corrected
This is funny XD
No matter,, Nobody compare to him
Shots fired. 😁
The fish dies by its mouth
Yep! And this shallow fish apparently Dave
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I got it it is told in my country like "se le lengua la traba"
"Se le trabò la lengua"
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the English on their channel they are so dreadfully boring. Reminds me of the worst teachers I had at school. I'd fall asleep before learning anything from them. They are not good teachers.
You are wrong. They are not boring. From them you can learn something surprisingly new and interesting about even well-known expressions. I think they are just excellent teachers. And they do not go personal in their lessons about somebody's mistakes. They just correct them for the sake of a better English.
@@nataliya3037I think he means delivery nor substance
I personally would rather choose a teacher with personality not a bot like overcorrecting fake smiling toxic one.
To me their whole quest to eliminate competition seems arrogant and unethical.
I used to like their content but before they crossed that line and started nitpicking on absolutely any online teacher … gross .
Also these methods are designed to shatter confidence and plant seeds of self doubt and anxiety. Dk whether it’s their goal or not - but it’s just not a healthy learning environment.
Unsubbed.
keep it up, Dave.
don’t let them get into ya head .
I totally agree with you. At first they were doing a good job but then slowly their videos were all about they being right and others being wrong. I would say
" English for Everyone with Kevin and Liza " TH-cam channel is now became a channel where they criticize other online teachers. It's like they're trying to prove they are the best