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Diesel is awesome!
But I'm more of a Gasser.
Unless you tow 10,000+lbs it's hard to justify a diesel,
diesel's cost a lot more to run but of course saving money isn't a motor heads concern lol.
I personally like the sound of modified gas motor. But their all cool!
I cannot decide because I love both....
It true about the cost of diesel, but if do the maintenance it will last you a lifetime!
Yes gas is cheaper my 03 Silverado has 492k on the original motor and it has been religiously maintained and not scared to go across country with it.
PLEASE TELL RUST BELT MECHANIC TO LEVEL HIS MIRRORS THEY LOOK SO GOOFY TILTED LIKE THAT...
Have a 2000 Ford- 10 cyl. Daily driver. 60,000 miles on her
Never had any issues. Rented a
F- 650 Dump-Ford. Has the same Engine the 10 Ford did it on those bigger body's for fleet PROPANE conversation
BOY talk about no power pulling the hill to bring the 5/8's gravel to my home. There just was no power at all, on a full load. Now let's talk about my 8-71 Detroit
When I drive the 36000 pound beast with that Detroit, raised stacks straight up. And it is that wonderful Detroit sound. It gets into 5th, gear fast 1500 RPM sweet spot to shift. It runs like a raped ape. And there's power to spare. But for daily driver, I like the gas engine in my PU. Only thing I pull with it is a 6000 pound boat. But I alway sling it in water. Never used a boat ramp.
Are you gonna be attending auto Mania in shipshewana this year?
Everyone wants to diesel, until they gotta pay for repairs.
I went diesel because I don't want to ever question if my truck can tow/haul anything I have or plan to buy.
I wouldn't buy a newer diesel as there's too many EGR components to fail and the repair costs are high!
I have an LB7 as my daily and don't ever regret buying it as my first diesel.
True. I sold my 03 LB7 for a new 1/2 ton a few years back. I do miss the HD payload, but man diesels repairs are just nuts.
You'll regret it when you have to do injectors or a water pump trust me lmao been there. Great engine just very difficult to work on. I can pull apart a Cummins in my drive way in a few hours
How much does lb7 injectors and water pump usually run ?
@@walmart5612 if you do it yourself all together 2-3k
@@walmart5612 lol if you not an expert mechanic it will take you 50 to 80 hours to do all that. Shops charge 30 hours labor and for a good shop to do injectors is 7k and 4k for a water pump
The honest truth is, just get a truck that fits your lifestyle and needs. But I love both gas and diesel! Cool video btw.
Very good point
In that case ...i need a condo semi (from my trucking over the road days ) that rides like a cadilac , and has the ability to be all wheel drive , but its gotta get 20 miles to the gallon ..don't care if its gas , diesel , or steam engine , or whatever , and its gotta keep up with traffic , and its gotta be tough , dont got time to work on the work truck thats non profitable
I have both, gas and diesel. Diesel just tows better! I have a 35 foot goose neck camper, every day driving is in my gas truck. Camping is with the diesel.
Diesel for sure. Better towing, better fuel efficiency, longevity, way more performance, better resale value. The number one reason is AMERICA!!!! Go big or go home!
All that outweighed by cost to repair and initial cost these days. Pre emissions or deleted id agree with you
@@jonnyg44 ya but i live 1 mile from work and my boat weighs 7000 also the same thing others have said the oil changes and filters almost double every time you change your oil. In winter diesels suck take forever to warm up my work truck has high idle that's nice but i like my truck warm in a couple blocks the work truck won't even get warm if ya working in town and not towing. All that said if ya going down the highway at 80 big trailer, boat or nothing behind ya taking the diesel hands down everytime. Ok one more and I'm done when i go hunting and it rains your done your stuck tell it dries up and off roading wet or not in a diesel sucks ya it works but the half ton just rides on top and the front end goes where i point the wheel, ya can turn full lock and the diesels just stay in the rut like what because your wheels are turned you think your getting out? So answer have one of each and just depends on where ya live and work drive a lot more than just going for the diesel because ya like knowing your the king....i like that feeling btw.
@@jonnyg44 and ya i know ya comment was for gas too i just kinda went off on my situation. If money grew on trees we would all have a 1 ton diesel
Diesels don't have the longevity anymore with emissions, don't get good mileage either.
Keep it Cummins and mechanical. The truck falls apart around it.
Have both.. diesel is great for power. Gas truck is great for simplicity. Might not be as fast but 10k price difference buys alot of gas.
And people forget that if we were to actually compare the cost invested into a diesel vs gas reality would set in as well. The technology built into newer trucks has gas trucks doing just as well as diesels.
Diesel for sure! Just switched over to a 14 LML Denali from an 18 Sierra 1500. Absolutely no regrets. More power, longevity, mpg, and resale value.
You forgot more fun!
If you tow under 8000 lbs occasionally you probably don't need a diesel. If you tow over 8000 lbs often you may need a diesel but not necessarily. I tow a 11,000 lbs camper 6-10 times a year and my 3/4 ton gas engine does a good job 9 mpg I can still pass slower cars fine at 65 mph. If you want to pay $10,000 more for the same truck higher fuel prices more in maintenance nock yourself out just because some people tell you gas engines aren't cool.
^^^^^^^ this man gets it!
Honestly, I don't need a diesel for my trailer. The resale value just makes sense though. Especially now. I ordered a 2500 Duramax and plan to keep it 3-5 years and then sell it while it still has a hint of warranty on it. If things stay the same, I should get most of my money back. If I bought a gasser, that just wouldn't be the case. Meanwhile, I get effortless towing and a fully covered vehicle for awhile. I was lucky enough to sell my house and buy a nicer one in a new area for less so I have the extra funds for it. It's a unique situation.
Do you even lift bro?
Just bought my first diesel about 8 months ago 2004.5 LLY ended up giving it to my dad for cheap and regretted it. I used to be a Tacoma guy now there’s no Turing back I’m a duramax guy 100 percent partly thanks to your videos. Just bought a 07 lbz gmc sierra crewcab and it’s everything I’ve ever wanted! Currently sitting apart doing profab castflow maifolds/up pipes/down pipe/egr delete tube/y bridge support strap and a Wetzel wheel. Literally following your videos religiously haha thanks man I appreciate your well detailed guides and great content! Kryptonite full front suspension going in next weekend I have free!
12,000 more off the top, more in Maintanence, and I don’t really tow a lot anyway! I’ve got the new F250superduty with Godzilla 7.3, should do anything I throw at it! Maybe not the cool factor of a diesel, but more practical for me!
I actually agree, the new 7.3 is awesome
I drive 04 8.1 gas daily. Bought truck 8 yrs ago from original owner with 40k miles. Delivered from Oregon to Texas 23k$. Diesel truck at time was 15k more money with same miles or 100k miles plus for same money. Have friend with same year 8.1 380 k miles never out of truck only alternator and same suspension issues as diesel. I have allison trans. I have 150 k miles now only alternator also. Oil change tire rotation at Chevy dealer 39$ here. Yes I get 10 mpg all day long . I tow every day I drive and deliver trailers from 12 ft to 40 ft park models. I pull as well at 60 as company truck 6.4 diesel does 75. But that truck and my friends diesels need injectors regularly . I can rebuild my entire motor for a set of duramax injectors. I love the new diesels but until they go back to getting double mpg over gas like 90s and pre def I am scared of them. I also drive semis and large prevost foretravel buses all over nation that are diesel powered and the power is amazing. I keep my truck under 22 combined and allow for fuels and slower time but gas has its place. The new 7.3 ford is amazing I hear and see on internet. But I don’t like fords. I am hoping gm comes out with another big block. The 8.1s are very reliable. Mine has a built allison, leveled, kryptonite full front suspension, 33s, Bradford built flat bed and nitro 4.56s with lockers front and back. I think a cummins swap to mine would be neat. Drive a pre def 24 valve regularly also.
I bought my lly just after my dad bought his first duramax much less his first diesel in 2007. I love diesel because you can throw bolt-ons and see a great return for the money. Also I love the big billets look!! You can throw big wheels on and it hardly hurts your fuel economy and you don’t have to upgrade to a big brake kit. Everything about diesel is heavy duty
Depends on the application. Cost and complexity of new diesels aren't worth it for most.
I have 06 Dodge Dually 4x4
No horse piss No cat,
Tuner with KnN air, that’s it
Ford has the upper hand on Fit n finish
Chevy has the transmission
And Dodge has the motor...
I bought the Cummins and the dodge came with it.
I like the fact that the Dodge doesn’t need a crane to remove the chassis from the frame to do just about anything on the motor.... unlike the newer Fords
I haul 2 german shepherds and a crazy chick, gasser does the job just fine .
Diesel for sure because of the 10k+ added cost for new diesel engine, messing around with DEF/deletes/tunes/additives and bras in the winter, and paying 3x more for maintenance. Sounds like a no brainer. Sign me up!
Diesels are OK but I love my 8.1 gasser Suburban.
I have a 8.1 Chevy 3500 410 rear gears it pulls anything I put behind it, such as a 5500lbs 24ft gooseneck hauling 16 4x5 round bales of hay weighting 1000lbs each. That’s over 21,000 lbs.
I work on pipelines here in Canada,every company I’ve worked for only buys gas powered pickups for the crews as they are cheaper to repair and usually don’t need much work anyway. Underpowered yes,especially towing mini excavators and stuff but still cheaper in the long run.
Same in North Dakota when I worked up there hauling fuel and propane in the oil field, the emission diesels were always down, the DEF frozen, emission and sensor issues, the list went on and on. And no one could fix the damn things, we had five trucks, only one would actually be usable at any given time. The diesels were simply not worth all of the headaches they bring to the table. Chevrolets were pretty popular, the 6.3 and the smaller 1500's for the crew trucks were in high demand. I can see these new Ford Godzilla motors gaining popularity up there too, heard many good things about those.
I just have one of each. Keeps me happy.
Same
I just picked up a 21 Silverado 1500 LM2 Duramax. I came from a 2020 Tacoma. Reason I did it was for mileage, towing capacity, payload, and I LOVE the low end Diesel torque. I love it. Zero regrets...
Great video and fun event! Hats off to Josh & the guys at Kodiak and Ryan’s, already looking forward to next year
Thanks for coming out!
I like both, I have a 95 Chevy Z71 stepside with a TBI 350 5 speed standard at over 400k which is one of my favorite trucks GM ever built. Plus I love the sound of a old V8.
I have a 97 GMC 3500 HD cab chassis flatbed with the 6.5 Detroit 5 speed standard with around 121k. I love this truck because it's a true HD truck. Plus it's better built than the 2000+ era trucks. It's not a fast truck but you can haul just about anything you want up to between 7-8k. (Hauling not towing capacity)
Last but not least I have a 06 Duramax crew cab dually with the LLY engine with a 6 speed standard in it with over 434k on it. This was my first diesel truck I purchased with over 323k on it. It's been a very reliable truck one of my daily drivers. It's not perfect, purchased the truck when it was ragged out about 5 years ago. Had to replace all the injectors in her which I am still paying for. Lol. Just trying to fix the ol girl up, hopefully in a couple years it will be completed. Very happy with the truck though.
Summary, I prefer diesels over gas because it's simpler to work on just more expensive with the repairs.
I drive a 02 Volvo at work with over 1.8 million miles on it with no major engine work on it. I have put about a million miles on it myself, one of the best semis I ever drove.
Just pick which ever one is right for you.
I would love to have a 6.7 diesel but I settled for a 6.2L gas F250 due to the fact I only tow our RV several times a year...and cost, diesel just cost more.
Same for me!
I got a 2001 dodge ram 1500 5.9l v8 and wouldn't change it for anything 200,000 miles on her and is still going strong and hasn't let me down
Love that motor my buddy has the old v10 on 37s and it gets 8mpg lol
Diesel is better until it’s time to fix something.
Gas because emissions era diesels are ridiculous. If I could freely delete a GM, I’d buy a diesel without a second thought. Since I can’t, give me a tunable, decently modified 6.0 LS.
Another thing I hear is people talk about deficiency, but you also have to offset that with the difference in gas and diesel prices. In my area, diesel can be $0.40 more per gallon than gas
But get twice the fuel mileage 😉
Loved my 97 F-250 with the 7.5L gas engine. Pulled amazingly well with low RPMs and high MPH. However, 9 MPG pulling and 12 MPG not pulling got expensive. Now own a 14 LML and won’t go gas again unless it’s a pavement pounder.
Really 9-10 mph is very good gas mileage
First truck I bought was a 04 F250 5.4 triton, at 4 years I had almost 200k on it and it was plenty tired, I jumped into my first power stroke 08 F350 6.4, loved it, put almost 300k on it with no major issues, decided to trade up into a 12 F350 gen 1 6.7, loved it, put 350k on it with no major issues, now I’m in a 20 F350 gen 4 6.7 and I love it, I have 50k on it and it’s breaking in great. The 1 ton diesel has served me well on the farm and they put up with all of my abuse hauling and towing. My wife also drives a 12 F250 gen 1 6.7 with 225k on it and she loves it. She came from a duramax family, it was tough to get her switched over but I did haha.
Here in Vegas the difference between gas and diesel is only about 20-40 cent depending on gas station. With a 36 gallon tank, that is just a 7-14 dollar difference.
The 6.2 gasser has horrible mpg compared to the 6.7 diesel. So you would come out on top with the diesel but when it comes to maintenance that’s where things will balance out. It’s always cheaper to maintain a gasser. Now when it comes to resale value, the diesel will have a higher value. Reliability? Both of them is reliable.
I started with an 85 6.2 then went to an 89 5.9 12-valve and finally to my current truck an 06 3rd gen 5.9 325cr. I tow a boat and torque, mpg are some reasons and I needed a diesel to go with my train horns. Ever see a gas powered train?
I actually own both. I have a 1999 GMC Sierra 2500 with a 6.0 and a 2009 GMC Sierra 3500 Duramax. I bought the duramax to pull my 9000 lb fifth wheel. The gasser will pull it but you can definitely tell it’s working hard. And as someone stated … you work all weekend just to get a few more horses out of a gasser. I put a Vinci custom ground cam with headers and true dual exhaust and a custom tune only to gain maybe 60 ho in the gasser. In my duramax I deleted it, put a 4 inch down pipe back exhaust and a tow haul tune on it and it will pull way better than my gasser. Yeah they are way more expensive than a gas motor, I have to put injectors in it now, but longevity of a diesel can’t be beat, and the power to tow can’t be matched.
I went from a 1999 f150 v6....its always pulled everything I've ever asked it to do.....but I have a 25 ft travel trailer now and it's just not safe to pull with the ford, my mpg not pulling with the ford range from 18-23mpg......now I have a 2002 lb7 crew 8ft bed....great truck....and my mpg is about the same as the ford, but twice the truck and twice the power.....love it.....and not to mention diesels are almost endless when it comes to upgrades
Definitely
I have a 2024 GMC 3500 dually with the 6.6 gas. I tow a 10k lb cargo trailer with a 3.5k lb water tank in the bed 6 days a week. Getting 10-12 mpg. I've put 55k miles on it in one year. Runs on 87 and I've spent $0 on maintenance. Not even oil changes and service because it's included in my dealer purchase. If you tow under 15k. Go gas.
I drove diesel for work, it was a deleted 08 ford 350 deleted and tuned, I loved it. For a personal I have 2021 Sierra 6.6 gas with 6 speed transmission, 17.1liters per 100 km. Zero problems, knock on wood, but I thinking to sell it and get low milage lb7. Still on the fence tho. I love diesels be cause POWER. Oh also, got my wife 2023 Tahoe diesel in September last year, the milage is amaizing, no problems at all, knock on wood.
Having a Diesel and doing to them what you guys are doing is just a following like a cult or an addiction. I see what you are all doing and love the results but it is way too expensive. I have a full size Silverado gas and it does everything I need even towing wise. Servicing is cheap and easy and I do it myself, gas cost is always cheaper than diesel. And if something breaks it's cheaper than the diesel. I see too many guys having pump problems or injector problems and it is very expensive. Then when they boost the heck out of them they sacrifice reliability. It's a blast, but they always working on them.
It all depends on what you need and can afford. I’ve got a 07.5 2500 dodge but I also use it a lot and it’s not my daily driver. I love it but I hated it when I had to replace the transmission and any normal service is 2X the amount on what my gas trucks was not to mention the cost of diesel.
Be smart kiddos don’t break yourself just to blow some smoke!
No kidding u can buy a gasser and replace the engine and transmission and I bet it would be cheaper than the diesel
I work for Nissan. I leased a Titan XD CC 4x4. When ordering it, it didnt specify gas or diesel, it just showed "V8".
So I go to pick it up and it was the Cummins 5.0.
I actually liked it... Its was the first diesel I had ever drove.
Terrible turbo lag though.
So when I was done with my lease I went looking for a truck.
2006 Chevy CC 4x4 Duramax...
260k all stock.
4" straight pipe, 3" down pipe, pcv rerouted, kennedy diesels "Finger stick".
Cts diesel evolution.
Fleece remote oil pressure turbo line kit when I replaced Turbo (stock).
Trans go Jr., New performance trans lines.
Only thing I pull is my butt to work... Lol
I fell in love with diesel..
I now have my uncles 95 12v 2wd 5 speed that I plan on restoring.
Keep it up man!!! Good stuff!
i have a gas 5.3, gonna keep that when i do eventually get around to finding the right duramax for myself just so i can have one of each
Its crazy but I bought my 06 Chevy LBZ Duramax because of the sound . 16 years later my cat still purs and whistles for me on a daily basis work or pleasure he still takes care of me.
Diesel all day everyday. The power, fuel mileage, the towing, and the long life of diesel engines.
I had not owned a gasser since 1988. First owned 7.3 idi's then the powerstrokes and then 5.9 and 6.7 Cummins. Traded every 3-5 years. Because of everything going on with new diesels and epa regs I just bought my first gas engine in 33 years. 7.3 ford. I'm not disappointed.
I drive heavy trucks for a living. Nothing better than hearing the injectors and turbo spinning from a straight pipe exhaust. Fellow Michigander here as well. Thinking about buying an lly duramax because I need a new vehicle in the near future
I have a 04 6.0 and I love the sound of the ole American v8 gas. And at this point I don't have the use for a diesel with the expense. And honestly I'm a truck driver so I do get my fill of the spooling of the turbo and diesel sounds and torque, I do get a bonus though I have a 3 stage jake brake lol. I am looking at toy hauler campers and have thought hard on a diesel but still believe I can get by with the gas as I'm looking at a 10,000 pd and under trailer! Great video thanks for sharing!
The reason I bought my first and only Diesel was I saw it on an online auction and it had a head gasket leak maybe and I figured it would go cheap. The real reason is I had a 1995 GMC 3/4 ton extended cab silver and green the diesel is a 1995 GMC 1 ton dually extended cab the same silver and green.
I had actually quit bidding when it got to $6000 and then it started again as someone had bid by mistake and recinded the bid so I won the truck. In the past I had run into the problem of the towing problem a truck not quite big enough or heavy enough.
So now that I had it I had to diagnose what the problem was and fix it finally I had to get new heads and gaskets that was $3500, then it died on me repeatedly so a new Injection pump module another $100, next, the batteries were shot so now another $400. Now starting to regret the buy two front tires another $400 electrical problems another $400. But there is a bright spot if you look at what it would cost for a new truck like this can you say over $100,000.
That damn paint cost me over $10,000 but I like driving the truck Mileage still out as I only drive very little now and if I compare the 3/4 to the 1 ton about the same I do expect better if I take long trips but back and forth to town (6 miles ) no better.
I figure I could get a profit now if I sell it with even used truck prices through the roof so I'll just enjoy it for now.
On a new rig, gas is the way to go. Unless it's a work truck that makes you money to offset the cost of repairing a new deisel. A new deisel is a good option if you have a way of deleting all that emissions crap.
I'll take an old pre-emission or deleted rig before a new deisel or gas truck.
Truck Master I have a gasser and a diesel. I tow with my diesel for overall power and fuel milage. I have a 1997 GMC 3500 dually with a 454 because it's just a badass truck. Sucks on mpg, has plenty of power and plenty of room. But I'm a diesel guy for sure.
These some decent gas trucks out there I had a 2014 6.4 hemi thing was great pulling hay or cattle but my LBZ and L5P are freight trains
Was recently in the market for a truck. My dad has always had a 4 cylinder Toyota 4x4 that came in clutch every winter. So I looked into that but I wanted something bigger to tow bigger things.
I'm not gonna tow anything 15k lbs or more if even that so I could go either way. I also didint need it to be super fuel efficient or new since I would only use it on the weekends to move things.
Just a truck.
My father in law has a few cummins and a 1990 Ford 250 diésel truck that sound amazing. But when asking him what to expect to pay in terms of maintenance and time it just wasn't feasible. I ended up finding a 2nd Gen dodge ram v10 dually with barely 100k miles for less than 12k and it fit my needs. I really just needed a truck since most of my mod heavy things go to my BMW.
Really wish I could have a cummins but it's to far out of the way for me.
I was own chevy Silverado 2500hd 2000 6.0 and Yukon Denali 6.0 2005. it crazy mpg gasser. two years ago I bought my first diesel LLY crew cab GMC Sierra. it amazing mpg! Someday my truck at your garage fix up something.
Have a 5.3 Chevy and an LLY and I love both. They have served me well.
Diesel for preference my first truck in 2008
/ 7.3 F250 /12 valve Cummins/6.7 Cummins/
/6.0 f250/ 6.7 f250/5.9 Cummins / and I order 2022 6.7 /diesel all the way ❤
Love my 95 F 350 4 door CrewCab Dullay with the 7.3 powerstroke
I have a diesel that is always hooked to a trailer. 42ft fifth wheel, 26ft bow rider boat and 22ft bay boat. Bay boat stays hooked as I fish 3-7 days a week.
I love my 02 LB7 it’s a dually flatbed and a beast with the six speed ZF6
Diesel but only if you have a steady job for repairs. (2nd gen 24v favorite diesel)
I own a bread distribution territory.
I gave diesel a shot and it was a nightmare for emissions, but may vary by manufacturer.
I had a 2017 Mitsubishi Fuso (Daimler product) cab over engine box truck, with a 3.0 turbo diesel, owned from new.
I drive about 20k miles a year, so nowhere near as much as OTR drivers.
But 80-90% of that is highway (to get to my territory and back) and free flowing country roads.
And even when around town it is not stop and go or congested.
And no idling.
So I’m not putting extra stress on the emissions system.
I was getting 10 mpg with the diesel and the comparable gas trucks (most use a GM 6.0) get 7mpg, both figures for loaded box truck.
So I was saving $1k-$1500 a year on fuel with the diesel depending on prices per gallon difference.
No issues with the drivetrain (125k mile warranty anyway), but the issues with emissions started about the time the 50k mile emissions warranty end.
Wonder why it was only a 50k mile warranty, lol.
Last year had a PCV filter fail prematurely (which causes a need for extra code resets and programming - something else to charge a stupid amount for) and then the DEF tank needed replaced.
These emission errors generally cause a limp mode.
The dealership is always backlogged at least a week so have to get a rental truck when the truck isn’t drivable.
Spent $3k on emissions repairs and rentals last year.
Earlier this year a NOX sensor failed, $1000 repair, $200 tow and $600 rental.
Then recently had an EGR leak, $2500 repair estimate.
That was the last straw. Didn’t have them fix it as it was still driveable (no permanent limp mode).
So $7,300 of additional expenses related to the emissions system in less than two years.
More than all of my fuel savings over my 4 years of ownership.
And oil/fuel filter changes are $300 on the truck vs less than $100 for the gas, and have to buy DEF.
And these issues were from 50k to 85k miles. What’s it gonna do in the next 100-200k miles, scary.
For that amount of money you could probably have a brand new gas engine (GM 6.0) installed on a gas truck.
Effectively doubling the life of a gas truck for the cost of 2 years of emissions repairs.
Traded it in for a new gas cab over engine truck.
GM 6.0 engine.
Allison 1000 transmission (5 year unlimited mile warranty).
A lot more power than the 3.0 turbo diesel also.
I bought the diesel hoping to save money, but didn’t work out in my case.
I know for extremely heavy loads, especially over a long distance, diesel may be necessary.
And for lots of yearly of miles (OTR) you still can make up extra repair/maintenance costs with fuel savings and come out ahead.
And the diesel engine should last longer than gas.
Or if it is not a rig to make you money, and more of just a luxury item where money isn’t a concern, then emission issues probably aren’t a concern.
But if someone’s situation is borderline between the two on the financial savings, I’d say gas is the way to go, until they can get these emissions systems more reliable.
Cause diesel emissions is probably going to cost you more money, time and frustration than it’s worth for a lot of situations.
I went gas. Mainly it was due to expenses. 10k upfront then more to maintain. Oh and the only vehicle I ever lost my butt on was a diesel. My 6.4 pulls anything I have just fine.
For a more modern heavy duty truck i would choose a gasser just because I won’t have to deal with the stupid emissions. But for an older truck definitely a diesel maybe a bulletproof 6.0, a 7.3, or a 12 v.
I had a 22 chevy 6.6 gas ,i liked it but the brakes had really hard pedal and steering was sloppy. I liked the power and everything else ,i only pulled 4 tons but it was easy . I traded for a 22 ram Cummins. I pulled 5 ton pulled easy . Chevy was nicer empty ,only 2 mile to the gall different in milage . But diesel always.50 to 2.00 higher ,and $16 every 1000 miles for def .
Diesel, had a 2500 dodge gasser that just couldn't do what I wanted. Also getting 10-12 mpg was frustrating. Got my 2012 ram 3500 did a few things to it and now get 17-20 with it. Yes it's more expensive but don't have to worry what I'm towing.
Brother has 05’ LLY. Dad has 12’ LML. I have an 02’ 8.1 2500HD. All 3 are great. Each in own way and all over 180k with no major issues.
Had an 04 gas half ton since 07. Started towing a bit. Instead of doing the smart thing and put new suspension in the half ton.... I drug home a diesel 04 2500 lly. Just needed some body work. And fuel lines... Tens of thousands later.... Had to sell the half ton I could always count on. So much debit I'll never get out... But I have a mechanically brand new truck..... That'll need southern body panels sooner than later.
I had a diesel before yea its great an all but I don't tow really anything so I'm happy with my 1500 gmc she gets the job done just fine
I own a junk removal/hauling business, I haul everything except for cars but will start hauling those soon. I see about 1300lbs+ on the scales. I work usually 6 days a week, my trailer is hooked up more than it isn’t. I will use it as my tool plus my daily, I guess I should definitely look for a diesel?
In my honest opinion id say if you dont tow alot or haul slot every day a diesel isnt needed. Yes i know they get better fuel milage than a gas but you will hate your self when it comes to repairs when the diesel engine causes issues. And with newer trucks with the emissions bs diesels are less relaibale than ever. I had a 06 dmax it was a great truck but if anything like injectors went up the truck wouldn have sat or got sold. No one is ready for when that stuff goes up.
Gas trucks will do the job expecislly new ones. Even the old gm 6.0 ks a work horse. You may regret getting a gas truck for towing when you need to stop for fuel but trucks are made to work not get great fuel milage.
Pretty much if you can get an 04 or earlier diesel that isn’t rusted through then your golden, anything newer from any brand you’ll be paying out on EGR issues, DEF etc. plus a lot of DMVs are cracking down and now have the “diesel tax” as in here in Colorado Springs diesels are the only vehicles that need emissions tested…. And that’s a yearly requirement that’s going to cost 120$ just for the test… and then the cost of registration… yearly as well… love to have a diesel for the capability… but for a daily driver doing 10 mile commute to work, gas is where it’s at. Unless you grab a hell of a deal on a diesel. Lol you can throw in a reman complete gas engine for 3-4$k if you can’t do the work it’s closer to 6k… lol still comes lower then having someone do any major overhaul on a diesel
Had a 6.0 and was getting 4mpg towing with 410 ⚙️
Now 6.6 and some goodies 15mpg towing.
That’s crazy
I think it goes without saying that 90% of the people there have diesels because it's cool right now. The others use them for actual work.
I have both. I'll have both till the day i die. Gas for the cold winters and quick trips. Diesel for summer, hauling and long trips. 400,000 on the diesel. 40,000 on the gaser.
I sold my diesel 6 months ago and have regretted it everyday since
Well, i always was gas being it's more practical for my lifestyle. Until i bought my first duramax 11 lml. Sadly it was totaled and i decided to go back to gas. Bought a nice tundra. Drove it for about 3 weeks and just couldn't do it😂. Just not the same. practicality flew out the window. so i took it back. Now I'm in beautiful 11 duramax. I smile the whole time driving it...
So.. In short... IT MAKES ME HAPPY
I love my lbz, roll coal, turbo whistle, and the power!, and will never go back to gas
I love the looks of the red and white truck... new skool truck old skool paint scheme... looks so badass
I have a 2022 2500 with 6.4 Hemi. I have almost 1k more payload than a diesel and have higher towing as well lol. I pull a gooseneck with over 10k weekly. Absolutely have no regrets at all!
Just purchased my first truck ever I picked up a 2022 ford f250 xlt with the 6.7 I love driving it I will purchase a gas truck after driving the 6.7
Saw the resale value if my 23 2500 HD 6.6 gas and diesel version is 4.8k more....so just about 1/2 of intial cost..
I bought the gas cuz I need payload the most.....got great deal and was able to jump up trim levels without the 10k upcharge.....plus I do alot of short trips
Love my lmm but with as little towing as I do (camper 3-5 times a year) I'm heavily leaning towards the Godzilla 7.3
have one and i still prefer diesels more
2 words.. whipple supercharger.. heard it helps anyway lol
@@oakland2255 it'll be a beast with a supercharger but the fuel efficiency will be horrendous compared to the lmm especially a deleted lmm
@@oakland2255 im not gunna spend that much to supercharge a gasser work truck when i can just buy a diesel, thats just the way i look at it tho
I have a 8.1 vortex gas in a 2004 Chevy 3500 crewcab , 410 rear gears . I love it . 262,000 miles still running strong. I hardly ever unhook it from my 24ft gooseneck. I believe you would like the Ford 7.3 Godzilla . I also have a 2001 Chevy 2500hd lb7 Duramax with only 92,000 miles. And a 1999 Chevy 2500 6.0 212,000 miles. The gas trucks has served me very well as work trucks with very little expense on upkeep, doing regular maintenance.
I daily a f-150. Just so much nicer commute than my Cummins. So for me both.
Diesel; I pull our 5th wheel with my 06 Duramax. My Dad's farm trucks were Duramax's. (2001 & 2006). I need the TORQUE and mpg when pulling heavy loads...
I got 370,000+ miles from my 02 Silverado 1500, never had a issue other than maintenance. She's still running, my best friend bought her. I guarantee she hits 500k no problem. But I absolutely love my 2009 gmc duramax hands down. In the gas 02 I pulled shit that should have never been attempted. But now it's effortless in the duramax
Also I need the dudes info on the sequential mirrors
Very recent buyer of a 06 dmax LLY 150k miles. It’s bone stock other than dumb dual exhaust that I will change. I will say I have mixed feelings about it so far. I can’t say it’s a fair comparison coming from the only new truck I had ever bought. a 2018 crew max tundra 4x4. The tundra was just stupid simple, comfortable, powerful, and would pull my camper fine. The problem simply came down to weight and mpg . Being on the line of towing too much. Once you added all the crap you carry for a family camping it just weighed too much. also, the tundra averaged 12mpg with 33’s 6mpg towing . And the Maintence oil changes are expensive. So apples to apples there. The dealership bought it back for almost what I paid essentially paying for the 2500hd. The duramax is a really Nice truck and needs odd and end upgrades (airdog, Efi live, delete etc ) to make it reliable for my family towing a camper and daily driving . I think the tundra is turn key ready to go to Alaska , or to the lake . The duramax needs some prep maybe a part or two. Just my thoughts .
As a owner of a 05 f350 the 6.0l just sounds like a jet it has 5 in straight pipe with 6 in tip and it's amazing what these things can do the hardest test I've put mine up to was pulling my loaded 80000 lb semi frozen to the ground and it did it.
I have a 2005 Silverado 1500 5.3 gasser and a 2002 Silverado 2500 hd Duramax I have pulled travel trailers and horses with both they will both do the job but the diesel doesn't have to work as hard and gets better fuel milage. I've pulled with my gasser for years it has done everything I've asked but after switching to the Duramax I don't plan on buying anything but diesel from now on I love my lb7
I love both gas and diesel but when you want some hard work done and more power with reliability got to go with diesel 100%. I also have a 96 GM truck with a 454 and love it as well, has torque all day but no where as much as todays trucks. I aldo love the sound of gas trucks with exhaust but love the sound of diesel truck with the sweet turbo whistle. I love both, gas for one situation and diesel for the other 😁
Diesel 100%!! Gas motor just doesn't have what it takes to pull 50ft camper and boat. Repairs are alot more but as stuff goes I've been upgrading parts ect ect.
For me, Diesel. It's my personal preference, I've owned 3 7.3's, current family hauler is a 2000 7.3 Excursion Limited, I can rely on that truck to take us anywhere in the country with no issues. I've also owned 2 6.0 trucks. My current work truck is a 2005 6.0 F250 Lariat, and I went with that over a gas truck because I drive 50,000 miles per year and I need something that will have a longer life expectancy, as well as better fuel economy. Paying for fuel affects my life in a big way, and even though costs associated with owning and maintaining a diesel are more than a gasser, the longevity and fuel economy a diesel has out weighs the lower maintenance costs in a gas truck.
The 6.0 GM gas is a fantastic motor though, and even though I'm a Ford guy through and through, I've been impressed with that engine observing the ones that family members have owned.
I also have a weakness for old gas muscle, and I own a 72 Plymouth Fury with the 440, but that's apples to oranges here 😂
i have both a 2011 chevy 2500hd gas 2wd with service body loaded down and a 2008 GMC 3500hd 4X4 dually Duramax. with stock tune the GMC WILL smoke the chevy far as better drivability, pulling, and fuel economy. both trucks weigh near the same. the 2011 chevy i bought 2 years ago and the right price, 20/20 hindsight i should have put a service body on the dually. 6.0 gas was a dog from day one and only get 10-12 mpg. 6.6 duramax with Bullydog set to performance will go cat go and gets 14-16 even 17 mpg if i drive "gently".
I loveee diesels but I just overgear my gassers and that helps with efficiency and off the line power. All I do is put gas in it and do synthetic oil every 10,000 miles. I change my spark plugs every 100k miles, and upgrade suspension parts every 50-75k miles. Honestly, I only prefer diesels because of the way they sound. The trucks look the same and as long as I can do what I need with a gasser for less money and aggravation then 🤷🏻♂️. However, I still want a Ram 3500 with 6.7L Cummins and g56 manual 🤤
Well said
@@TruckMaster my 06 Dodge Ram 1500 only has 165k miles on it and it has the magnum 3.7L v6 with 6speed manual. Cost me $18k (bought it in 07 with 5k miles on it from carmax) and in maintenance I’ve only spent $1500 on it and roughly $15-18k in gas. I’ve spent over $15k in mods like new tires every 3 years, new wheels, bumpers, lights, winch, batteries, seat covers, paint, gears and clutch upgrade, lifts etc. All in all I’m looking at $50-60k cash over 15 years on one vehicle. My buddy has a 2017 ram 2500 Cummins and in 4 years after lifting it adding wheels, tires, light bar, tuning, gears, and fuel he has spent over $100k 😂. No he doesn’t tow heavy and yes he has to lift his baby’s car seat 6’ to get his son in the back of the cab lol. Also loading plywood when your bed is 5’ off the ground sucks too. Looks sick and I wish I had it though haha
I have a 88 dodge W350 that has been converted from a 360 to a 5.9 Cummins
Got one of each. But my diesel is my go too. My 6.0 is to for my girlfriend to drive. She can’t handle the power of my diesel
Understandable.
Before I bought my duramax I tossed some 799s on my lq4 with a camshaft from btr and a billet converter, trying to make my gas job tow better. There’s just no comparison, said gas truck now has a single 78/75 on it and it still doesn’t pull like a diesel….it needs rpm which eats fuel, diesels make their power down low. After towing long distance with a diesel I’ll never go back to gasoline
Diesel all day! 07 lbz vs 76 silverado gasser, towed same 30ft all steel trailer...torq on diesel so much better and they last forever!
Gas. Not as much maintenance. Spark plugs are cheaper. Love the Duramax
Prefer diesel love my 02 LB7 but also have a 11 gasser. love the Diesel
I own both gas and diesel trucks. My gas truck is my daily that i do tow with. (6.0 vortec) My diesel is my toy. Gas truck is honestly cheaper to maintain on a daily basis. For me it makes more sense for that reason. My diesel, WELL, what can i say, MO' POWA🤣 But on a serious note the diesel truck is just fun. Even tho i could build a fun gasser to, something about the presence in a diesel is more commanding.
Here's the thing is that people think they need a diesel if you haul more than a few bags of mulch. Lol. I've used a 1500 gasser to haul lots of vehicles and for basic cars and smaller trucks, its plenty adequate.
Everyone has different wants and needs. I want more power....but I need my money. Lol
I have a 5.7 hemi in my 4th gen, initially I drove modified cars. I traded in for my dodge when my wife was pregnant. Need something to fit us all better, good in the winter etc. I didn’t know really anything about diesels at that point in time. ( had I known what I do now would’ve went Cummins without a doubt ) but she’s held up good , moves out, have stuff done to it . Over 420hp, lifted,wheels,tires,lights,tint same thing as everyone else does .lol.. Only owe $2200 then I’m going to a Cummins. Gotta go Diesel man, there’s no better option as far as trucks go, just need to have some cash ,knowledge and willing to put in work on it.
diesel is definitely not more reliable lol
Diesels are the only thing that can help with my ED