Film Review: CineStill 800T
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This is my review of the CineStill 800 Tungsten High Speed Colour Negative Film. What makes this film unusual is that this is actual Kodak cinema film used in the movie industry, but specially modified to be C-41 chemistry safe. This means you can run it down to your local 1 hour lab and get this film processed without any special instructions or procedures (unless you push or pull process your film). Although not necessary, when combined with lenses that have a cinematic rendering (like Leica M lenses or actual cinema lenses), the images are amazing. For this review I used the Leica M-A and the 35mm f/1.4 Summilux Aspherical, and it worked really well with this high speed ISO 800 film for night photography. Please enjoy this review and my previous video review of the Leica M-A and 35mm Lux where I show images taken with the CineStill film as well as Fujifilm Pro 400H and ACROS 100. Thanks for watching and happy shooting.
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Take, the halos around the highlights are due to the absence of an anti-halation layer. Normal color film has the AH layer on the front, under the light-sensitive emulsion. Cine film has it on the backside of the film, a black layer, called remjet, that will slough off into C-41 chemistry. So CineStill removes the black remjet layer, but it results in severe halos of light.
Yes thank you for the info. At the time I did not have this info, but I've spoken with Brandon Wright, co-founder of CineStill since I've been back to Canada. Very cool what they're doing and I'm glad I accidentally discovered the film while in Hong Kong. I'm also going to do a review of the Double XX film, which is also cine film but black and white.
I don't usually like camera and film reviews because for some reason people don't post actual pictures...really though wtf they don't, but your photos on this are awesome! So big ups for that, I fell in love when it got to the umbrella shots and the alleyways. Great work my friend, keep that up and keep keeping it real.
Still waiting on my Medium Format roll of the Cinedtill 50D. Cant wait.
Ya I can't wait to try it too
Wow, this film looks amazing. The red halos are gorgeous. I have a trip to Japan coming up soon. I think I’ll get a few rolls of this to take with me!
Amazing quality and unique. I have always been disappointed in my recent analogue work but this video has inspired me. Thank you BHT.
Yes I typically don't shoot at night but this film totally inspired me to get out there and shoot.
Your exposures are fantastic. The most beautiful Cinestill shots I’ve ever seen
Thanks!
I’ve read somewhere below you mentioned that you exposed the film at 500 iso. Aren’t the shadows going to get “muddy”?
@@abraxamovic shooting at night is tricky, so ISO doesn't matter as much as exposing for the middle ground. But yes I rate the film at ISO 500 and when I meter I set it at ISO 500. No issues with shadows :-)
These pictures looks straight out of a Wong Kar Wai film.
+Egroj D ha ha. That was my intent. It's a beautiful film to shoot in Hong Kong
Chunking Express! Love the look of that film!
Thank you. I watched four to five other reviews on this film, and no one gave a more complete description than you. I really appreciate this video please keep it up.
I can't wait for the 120. Nice, beautiful look. Thanks for the video.
thanks
Bought my very first roll of CineStill 800t today and can‘t wait to shoot it. I have been dying for a way to shoot color film at night. Thanks for the review Take, great pictures!
Thanks. Yes the film has a cinematic feel, that's why I love it so much. It helps if it's rainy too, but not too wet!! Good luck
3 years ago and this video is STILL SO relevant!
Whenever I go to HK I always try to shoot a few rolls of C800T. Never thought you'd be somewhat of a film convert!
Ha ha, I've been shooting with film seriously since 1995. I never stopped shooting.
It's just kind of refreshing seeing a different pace from the usual new product reviews on the YT channel
I need product reviews to draw people to my channel, as well as getting a video that hits critical mass. However, my favourite videos are interviews, street shoot outs, and analogue photography videos. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. I was hoping to see more on your experience with Cinestill.
I was totally in and out of that same elevated walkway in Mong Kok everyday when I was there in March 2016... our hotel was near one end of that walkway.. or walkways.. as it is somewhat expansive. Kind of crazy on Sundays when all (maybe not "all", but A LOT of) the Philipinos are out on their day off from their work week and gather all along there.. and even down in the streets to hang out with family and friends.. apparently a lot do not have their own place while they work and stay with their chinese residences.. I am told they also get together to rent a room somewhere for the night together because of this.
BTW, with the Cinestill, I believe it's the remjet layer that was removed... I think it's pretty much the same as Kodak Vision3 200T with the remjet already removed.. but, I could be wrong. anyways..
Ok, first off, let me say I'm not saying you can truly 100% replace analog film stock with a digital film simulation, but you can come darn close if you wanted to keep with digital and get a certain look with straight out of camera jpegs. Each person's ideal look and expectations will vary.
I like the look of this Cinestill film that you are using.. I have also tried to simulate the look in my Fuji cameras, the X-Pro2. I know it probably won't be 100% the same, but from my initial trial, what I find works pretty nicely is using Classic Chrome, Noise Reduction -4, Sharp -4, Color +4, Grain Weak, with WB set to 4200K. I feel it comes pretty darn close to it.. Your eyes may interpret it differently, but I think it's a good starting point to tweak here and there, maybe less color or one of the other film simulations like Pro Negative, to your personal tastes.
I like the way it looks outdoors in daytime and at night... that blueish greenish tone as you described, a tad bit warmer at night, but it depends on the lighting you might have nearby at night or low light. BUT, under certain lighting conditions, it can be too orange.. if it does shift too warm, I adjust the WB down to about 3200K and I think it brings the look I like back into tonal range.
As part of further trying to simulate matching shooting with Cinestill, or shooting film in general, I just turn off the rear screen and any preview and force myself not to look at anything until way later after I'm done with the shot or scene. It's the best I can do without bleeding the wallet on a Leica M-D.. not 100% the same experience, but close enough for now on my tight budget.
To further simulate the feel of shooting film, get and adapt a vintage lens, it doesn't necessarily have to be anything expensive or optically very high.. perhaps quite the opposite might even be better.
I wouldn't be able to use the OVF with an adapted MF lens.. not without creating a static frame line with no true or accurate compositional aids.. so, the EVF.. and I would suggest turning off all the live preview information in the EVF so it behaves closer to looking through an optical viewfinder.. you can still get a surprise on how your image may ultimately look much like the anticipation of waiting for film to develop.
It's a beautiful film stock. And it looks wonderful in the hands of bigheadtaco! If you want to shoot in daylight and you pop a filter on your lens you can shoot it at 400 ISO, so it's a pretty versatile film too. I wish I could shoot more of it but that stuff is expensive where I am.
Yes I know a few guys in Hong Kong who actually prefer it as a daylight film. Since I had so much Fujifilm Pro 400H, I didn't try shooting it like that.
bigheadtaco I haven't tried it myself but I might do soon. It would make it a very versatile film to stick in the camera. and the 50D one is a bit too fast for me.
Where do you live and what does it cost there? I live in Australia and currently pay around 16$ for a roll of 35mm Cinestill..its expensive but its the only film I use for shooting at night because of the effects you get with it..just a beautiful film to use.
Halos aside (which are quite cool) I absolutely LOVE the way that film renders the reds. Just incredible. Another great video!
thanks, yes the way the film renders artificial light is amazing.
Finally a new BHT video!
NICE! I was just thinking to myself yesterday that BHT hasn't uploaded anything for a little while.
Ya I've been busy with other covert operations....
The reds are amazing!
Thank you for all your efforts to keep us informed and film alive!
thanks for watching! More film vids coming up!!
Of all the results I have seen with CineStill 800T film... This one is one of my favorite results (besides the one I originally saw on a series of "Film"). Most other reviews I have seen were shot during the day and not at night! I love the look of color tones it produces as you have captured in HK. Love your results!
Thanks, yes as soon as I saw Joseph from Meteor HK's pictures with CineStill, I knew I had to try it. Check out his IG account: instagram.com/chengwaihok/
Wow, these shots are gorgeous, I absolutely love the colours!
thanks, ya I was only going to shoot 1 roll, but I ended up shooting 4.
I can’t believe it cost $12 usd for that film 😖 But you sold me on it from the look of your images!
Hongkong and cinestill, perfect combination
just bought a roll . can’t wait to use it this weekend! cheers
This film is somewhat hard to find and get. There is no seller that sells it in Korea. All the amazon sellers sell just one film per a purchase.
That’s the unique thing about Cinestill is that it’s so hard and nearly impossible to recreate digitally. There are digital sensors and editing that can look exactly like some film stocks but cinestill you simply cannot. Plus cinestill still looks great pushed.
I like how the pictures came out!! I would love to try it. Have a great day :)
thanks!
Love the photos Take! I should have gotten the Cinestill when I was in Osaka. I was skeptical to shoot film at night but after watching this, now I kinda regret it.
yes any city with a lively night life with multiple types of lights will look great
Awesome work
The example photos are gorgeous.
thanks!
Cinestill 800T is really awesome. Thanks for introducing them to us.
You can shoot Vision3 films if you want to develop at home and simply rub off the remjet layer after the blix. Though for cinema films I replace the C41 devloper with RA4 since it uses CD-3 instead of the CD-4 as in C41 chemistry. Cinestill is Vision3 which was made for ECN-II processing which uses CD-3. The colors look even nicer when done like this in my view. Those are my tips to anyone who wants to develop this stuff at home. It's a lot of fun.
Thanks for the tip. This is something I would consider and will talk to my friends in Hong Kong to see if they want to do a project together with me.
I love your photos 💫
This file is the Bomb! This is my go to film. Also try pushing it by one stop (1600). You will be pleasantly surprised.
what do you think about this film :
Fujifilm 8502 F-c1 it has not remjet
I really want to try this film, great results :)
You'll love it.
Did you push it to 1600? Im planning to shot in a night pub next week. The idea is to capture the ambient of the pub, you know people drinking beer, chatting, some portraits. The light of course is artificial. Do you think i should push it to 1600 or 800 its ok?.
Im shooting with a Olympus Om1 and 50mm 1.4 lens.
Thanks and i really like your pictures!
Yes what about this shoot ?
Absolutely beautiful photographs. Would love to emulate Cinestill 800T on Nikon DSLR and Nikon Z camera's aswell as Canon Camera's.
Trying my first roll. Set the camera to iso 3200.
I would think this means pushing it two stops, but their website says something else. What do I tell my Lab? Two or three stops?
When should I push CineStill 800Tungsten?
A: We recommend push processing for anything over ISO 1600. Treat this film as an ISO 800 speed film when processing in C-41 and push process whenever needed up to ISO 3200.
Recommended ISO and acceptable exposure for push processing:
ISO 800 - No push - EI 200-1000
ISO 1250 - 1 stop push - EI 800-1600
ISO 1600 - 2 stop push - EI 1250-2500 (added contrast)
ISO 3200 - 3 stop push - EI 1600-3200 (most contrast)
Test it yourself and see how you like it exposed!
Love your shots with the cinestill 800!!! This film seems to be sold out everywhere around me but available online for a premium @2x!!! I'm so intrigued by the look of your photos that I'm thinking about biting the bullet and trying it out. Do you have any tips on how you metered your shots at night? Thanks!
Thanks, new CineStill video coming soon from my latest trip to Hong Kong
Always love Your reviews, really great shots !
+Klaus Tiburski Thanks :-)
Good to see the resurgence of film.
1, Great looking photos.
2, Video put nicely together.
3, Starting to fall in love with that summilux.
4, The cinestill is really quite interesting. I had it on my shopping list, but pulled in favor or adox CMS 20II. Next time for sure!
1. thanks
2. thanks
3. me too. I was always a Cron man, but this Lux is special.
4. CineStill is a really fun film to shoot. It's hard to find in some places so get it soon!
Photos and music create an excellent atmosphere
thanks. The video montage takes a lot of time and consideration, more than the rest of the video. It's a lot of work but worth it.... I'm tired though.
I want this film now!!!
As always. Thank you! Amazing video. I have ordered two rolls to try it out.
awesome, it's a great film. Just remember that since a layer has been removed, the emulsion is a bit thinner which weakens the physical film itself. Load carefully. It works best with manual wind cameras, or cameras that allow for slow auto advance like the Konica Hexar
Who is the music by, I can not see it in the description? Really great pictures BHT! 😎
Wow your shots are awesome!
thanks!
Nice shots! Love the colors.
+R S thanks.
awesome photos!
Amazing photos. Great music.
thanks. These montages synced to music take a lot of time and energy, but it's worth it.
Great review!
Glad you enjoyed it
Really awesome look to it and awesome review, might have to pick up a roll and burn through it on the ol' 1-V :)
Hi! Thank you for your review! Do you know if I can buy it in Bangkok?
It would be nice to know the technical detail of the actual photography: Lens, camera, metering type, scanner etc.
Beautiful work, congrats!
thanks, it was great getting back to my roots in film photography
This is amazing. Did you push these photos? I just got some cinestill and wondering which iso to get that red halo effect 🙂
it's not the ISO as much as looking for bright lights that I know will halo. I usually shoot box speed and error on the side of overexposing, not under.
Great video man ! I just Cinestill 800 t for the first time the other night and some photos came out overexposed . Should I overexpose it like by like a stop or two ?
I think it's your exposure, not the film. Spot meter the scene and see if the exposure is correct. You can DM me in Instagram and show me the over exposed images and I could probably tell what went wrong :-)
Would this work on an Olympus Trip 35? The ISO only goes up to 400 so I’m wondering if you’ll manage to get the same results?
Although you're over exposing by 1 stop, the bigger issue is getting the right exposure. I often shoot this film at ISO 500, so It think you'll be find. Just know how to meter for shooting at night. Reflective metering at night can be up and down so you have to spot meter and average the exposure.
I had really poor results from Cinestill, after processing it looked like there was was water marks all over my negs and it was much grainier than I would expect. I've very familiar with Kodak Vision 3 500T movie film (which this is based off of) and it shouldn't be this grainy, even at EI800. For tungsten lights on set it's usually rated at EI500, but it's routinely pushed and pulled a couple of stops but I've never seen results as grainy as the Cinestill version. Removing the Remjet also means you're removing the anti-halation layer, which is why you get the halos on points of light.
sorry to hear. I had my developed at a regular lab in Hong Kong (Dot Well Photo) and the negs are perfect. The emulsion is thin due to the removed layer, but the exposure was fine, and grain was reasonable. I always made sure I over exposed though.
Tungsten light is warmer towards the reds, not the blues.
Cool video. Lots of good info here.
thanks for watching!
Fuji needs to make a cinema-ish film simulation like this, looks awesome! I have also played around in photoshop/lightroom to get that kind of look, never really succeded. Anyone knows of any good lighroom presets that gives this look?
Fujifilm makes broadcast film, but I don't think they make cinema film anymore, which is too bad. Of all the major film manufacturers, Fujifilm is in the best position to make new films, but I think their focus is on the INSTAX system since it's the most profitable of all their photographic products. I like INSTAX, but I love roll film even more!
this is probably one of the only clips on youtube shot this film right
thanks ;-)
that blue bus near the end would be an awesome 8x10, been looking for the med format, hadnt seen it yet
yes, can't wait for the 120 version
Thank you for this video..I have a roll of cinestill film in my fridge and will have to take it out and get some pics in the city at night with it...looks like it will be a nice film to use.
it's my favourite night film for sure. I know you'll have fun with it.
@@bigheadtaco Well since I shot that first roll I've become addicted to it and now its basically my go to for shooting at night now for colour film. just love the halo effects you get with it and how it renders the colours as well. so glad I gave it a go.
never heard people using blue filters for tungsten lighting tho, name the filter number? pretty much the 85 series is best for tungsten lighting, respect.
It’s super rare because if you load your camera with tungsten balanced film, why would you then want to rebalance the film back to daylight? I don’t know the filter number, but if you go to the Lee filter system, they do have a kit for this, and the filters are all different tones of blue.
Nice shots!
thanks!
Love this film. I need to some in 120 format
What camera are you using ?
hey Take, always love your videos! Where do you get your film developed and scanned in Vancouver? I'm looking to scan my first roll and it seems like London Drugs and Kerrisdale Camera are the most convenient for me.
The Lab on Great Northern Way is the best in town because of their dip and dunk process, although I use London Drugs on East Hastings near Nanaimo since they actually have a lab in the store (most ship off to another location and takes a day or two). Long term I would either like to collaborate with one of the companies so I don't have to worry about dev and scan. For now I develop only and scan at home using the Epson Perfection V750 Pro
BTW the red halos are present because when they remove the remjet backing (which ruins c41 processing), they also remove the anti halation layer. So the normal vision 3 500t doesn't have that. (someone correct me if i'm wrong)
+Ksueleman yes thank you. A few have commented on this, and I did confirm with CineStill once I got back. Thanks again!
So dope. Thank you for sharing!
Did you use filters yourself and did you try to shoot day time with it ?
Great video again :)
Thanks, no I didn't try filters. I had so much Fujicolor Pro 400H and Neopan ACROS 100 for daytime shooting.
Nice Work BHT this is one of your best videos to date I had to watch it several times. Great photos with beautiful atmosphere and music. I recently discovered CineStill film. I am an early backer and hoping I get my 120 CineStill before heading to Southeast Asia in March for a photography expedition. On night shots like this is your phone meter app of any use? Do you meter on the shadows or highlights or center?
Hi Chris, I'm happy you ordered your 120 CineStill early, but I do hope you get it on time. it' really hard to meter at night because of the dark and really bright areas. I did some initial readings with scenes that had a good mix of strong light and deep shadows. After that, I just adjusted by eye and feel according to the increase or decrease in EV. I was usually within a stop or two. Better over than under of course, especially if you want the halos
That's what if figured. You did great eyeballing it. This film does have excellent highlight recovery so I agree better to go over then under. Keep up the good work. If I don't get it in time the M6 will do with some 35mm.
for sure, what you'll gain with the 35mm is lens speed. Shooting at night at 1/60th sec hand held is getting close to the limit. I did got down as low as 1/15-1/30th, but then you must accept blurriness, which I'm totally cool with. But imagine 120 pics with this film? I'm excited to give it a try again in Hong Kong.
Yes but not too much. I only have a Summicron can't afford a Summilux :)
The 120 camera I plan to use is the Fuji GF670. It has a max aperture of 3.5. It weighs about the same as an M and since it's a range finder you can brace it against your head when shooting.
Does this film have a good amount of latitude?
Yes like most colour negative film, especially in the mid to higher ISO range, there's decent latitude. This film does better over exposing than under exposing
great channel! did you shot @ box speed?
I typically rate at ISO 500
Love this...
Great video. cool film and perfect location for it
thanks, yes CineStill was made for Hong Kong
love this video. subscribed and film brought
thanks for watching and subscribing. More film videos to come
Great shots! Where do you process your films in HK?
I used two labs, but I used DotWell Photo in Tsim Sha Tsui at Champagne Court (on Carnarvon) to process my CineStill. Super fast service (less than an hour) and they will even scan and email you the pics if you wish and pick up the negs later. Cheap too ($36HKD for dev and process at medium rez)
bigheadtaco thanks for the info!
Its expensive but Im in 😍 with this film.
What about the CineXX Kodak 5222 cine film? I've found XX5222 from various vendors & names on eBay. Waiting for 1st roll to come back.
yes the monochrome double XX film is very popular as well. Looks very cool.
6:04 AMAZING
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bigheadtaco subscribed man!
thanks again!
whoohoo 20 000!!!
hey, thanks for noticing. I don't make a big deal about these milestone numbers because I know a channel like mine will never be mainstream. But I don't care. I shoot what I want and do what I want. If I wanted numbers, all I would do is just gear reviews, mostly of Sony and Canon. But thanks for noticing :-)
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Love it
Wonderful film ... I love it. 2023
Do you know if they ever end up producing 120 CineStill? I know they had promoted it to come out in 2017. I would love to shoot this in MF a lot more than 35mm :P just saying.
Yes they are working on it. I think they're just a bit late coming out with it.
did you do the Double X or the eastman 5222 bnw film already?
I have it but not finished the roll... soon
Cinematic look. cool !
thanks!
i love it☺
Let me know if you need to borrow a 120 camera? Thanks for the review 👍
Are you the 'Roman' in Vancouver (Tarry's buddy)? I would love to borrow a 120 camera. Just email me and we'll talk. Maybe we can do a 120 shoot out video
Yup, that's the Roman:) Will do! Also feel free to shoot me an email as well: infilm.info@gmail.com
Can Leica M10 do this with the Leica 35mm f/1.4 lens?
+NETVO TV no, film has a unique look that digital can not reproduce
Me thinking the beginning of your intro was a Deftones song
did you try with an Xpan? can you push it to 1600 or 3200 asa?
Yes you can push the CineStill to 1600, although 3200 is not as common. Many just shoot at 1600 so underexpose by a stop and just push it when printing. This makes the images grainy. I personally don't like it, but many do.
What were your average shutter speeds? I'm assuming you were shooting wide open?
Pencil Jockey did you watch the video? He said 1/60th.
typically f/2.8-4 to get some depth of field focus, and 1/30-1/60th of a second. That sounds crazy for those who shoot digital, but for us film guys, it's another night on the street. That's why pushing film to 1600-3200 ISO is very common for film shooters, since we've got use to digital ISO speeds. But I'm use to the slower speeds.
Rediscover Film I must have missed that information smart ass.
bigheadtaco Yeah I used to shoot much slower shutter speeds with film than with digital. I think film is more forgiving when it comes to shutter vibration.
Pencil Jockey no need to be ungrateful.
What scanner do you use?
Epson Perfection V750 Pro
Hi, Take. I just bought a used Ricoh FF-3 AF and a roll of Cinestill 800t. I just realized that the Ricoh FF-3 doesn't have ISO 800 setting on it, it jumps from ISO 400 to ISO 1000. What ISO should I use for the ISO 800 film? Thanks
If you're shooting in daylight (which you can) shoot ISO400, if you're shooting at night, ISO 1000. You should be fine.
bigheadtaco Sorry but shouldn't it be the other way around? I might be wrong but I think using ISO 400 setting on ISO 800 film will make it overexposed as the camera lets more lights into the film?
Yes, CineStill wants you to overexpose during the day, but slightly underexpose at night. It seems odd but it works, or at least it did for me. I rated CineStill ISO 500 for the day and it was perfect. I rated it 800 for night, but found I was slightly over exposing, so I wish i underexposed it. And this isn't push-pull process. You still develop at 800. You can email CineStill if you wish to confirm this, but in my experience this worked for me
bigheadtaco great, thank you for the information, I learn new things today. :D
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