Many-One Thinking and the Scientific Inadequacy of Materialism (Dialogue with Oliver Griebel)

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  • @MasoudJohnAzizi
    @MasoudJohnAzizi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great discussion! Thank you for sharing 🤝

  • @projectmalus
    @projectmalus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Paused halfway thru, the many with magnitude that can be ascertained by the one attention, and if the same divide happens each time this provides directionality as Zeno gets into. This is like McGilchrist and the two hemispheres, while the physical world also can be divided the same way each time, and groups of people from indivisible individuals always breaks on the same side, too large. But larger breaks the physical world more efficiently. Fascism is the breakage of the individual, subsumed into this false power. Fear is a driver.
    Once I think the small group of humans in the trees had the same oneness of attention, they were driven from the trees, down to 2d world of grass, then fire and circle 3d, then story so people don't burn out their eyes staring at the fire.
    One to many and many to one. Many grass forms as ideas, structure from mimicking a triangle of grass, herd and pack.
    One substance that is sticky and viscous, affecting the whole individual but in a few objects more than others, in their system. 7 degrees of separation for the all human object, except for the triangle mimicry human of dogs, cats, cows, lawns that are kept juvenile. One level people who play games on that level.
    For the person, the 3 leaps position one, where information can be allowed or taken from the world collectively and this imbues collective responsibility for the individual. Information and understanding circling with knowledge sent out as the tip of the cone. This tip is positioned away from the planet intelligence, the life doesn't stare at a 2d screen but engages with languages of many perceptions.
    In one direction a meaning crisis and in the other a caring crisis.
    Great discussion so far, thanks.

  • @alexdetrojan4534
    @alexdetrojan4534 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wasn't Parmenides the one(no pun intended) to put forward this viewpoint?

  • @projectmalus
    @projectmalus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    at 1hr9 the rock is exceedingly generous; when I pick up rocks and place them I get this, and when I come back and rearrange the same rocks it happens again, the repositioning of structure for perception flow and not just my own if I sing a little ditty.

  • @projectmalus
    @projectmalus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    at the hour mark defining life and structure as the shades of red and red, respectively (edit: I might have that backwards) where the first and still there sun from quantum fluctuations built around the first black hole now divided, then asymmetric time as the explosion of that sun into the shades/types of suns. Seeing with a telescope, which is structure and freezing the motion of life into structure, with perception life between. Creativity as structure and life aspects unfolding and direction provided by grasping and dividing that part which needs folding back in with care to provide range of movement.

  • @words4dyslexicon
    @words4dyslexicon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank You!
    in the description for this video, the potential ramifications of these 8 words:
    ".. *_The Possibility Of A Variable Speed Of Light_* .."
    in all their interwoven complexities seems endlessly vast..🤷🏼

    • @Achrononmaster
      @Achrononmaster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is misconceived. Photons cannot go at any speed but c. The variability is always w.r.t. another reference frame.

  • @InterfaceGuhy
    @InterfaceGuhy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @Oliver what a great point at 19:00

  • @LongDefiant
    @LongDefiant หลายเดือนก่อน

    Consciousness is an illusion emerging from complex physical processes.
    Evidence: If you stop the physical processes the illusion of consciousness ceases.

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @2:50 there is nothing wrong with the Block Universe. It is how a putative God would see the cosmos. It does us little good for science though, since we cannot see in 4D, we cannot know data on a future Cauchy boundary. Note that foreknowledge is not causation. So the Block Universe conception does not deny the causal efficacy of 'free will' (whatever that means).

  • @BobKatLife
    @BobKatLife หลายเดือนก่อน

    Take a term from Relational Database Theory, throw in some HACK sophistry and you can fool the simpletons. I guess it’s a “living”.

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Just to be clear, Science is based upon the metaphysical *_assumption_* of the _principle of sufficient reason._ It is a _metaphysical_ assumption, not an empirical discovery, though consistent with empiricism so far (quantum mischances notwithstanding - do not listen to the likes of Žižek, they are clowns). Apart from the reference to the mad philosopher Slavoj, a shorter proof "science" cannot be consistent with materialism is not known to me. The *_practice_*_ of science_ must be consistent with materialism because science cannot admit non-empirical evidence. That is ok, it just means science cannot be complete.

    • @DanishHafiz-gt4sq
      @DanishHafiz-gt4sq 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As math should be, as everything is, unless we decided that it’s complete, because in the end, it’s us who decide to have more than what we already have. Even if it’s always a possibility to have more than what we already have, does it exist just because it’s a possibility? If we decided it’s enough, then we wouldn’t come out with anything else, henceforth it is complete since we are the ones who decide whether it is complete or not.
      tdlr; we only decided it’s not complete because we aren’t satisfied with our inability to relate everything together. just because it’s a possibility to have more, whether something is complete or not depends on whether we decide to chase that possibility.
      it’s just a philosophy ofc, urs aren’t wrong too, perhaps yours are even better because it’s defined by the standard norm
      well anyway, lets do our best to pursue science and achieve the best for humanity and all

    • @buicktothemoon
      @buicktothemoon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who is zizek? He sounds like he’s really upset you?

    • @ucantSQ
      @ucantSQ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's so nice to hear someone intelligent call Žižek a clown. I've felt that way for a while, but I've only ever heard people praise the guy. I was worried I might be missing something. The guy honestly makes me squirm.

    • @nupraptorthementalist3306
      @nupraptorthementalist3306 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@ucantSQ That's interesting, I felt a similar way. I can not tolerate him long enough to honestly receive what he says.

    • @sbnwnc
      @sbnwnc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is it magic? 😅

  • @thephilosophicalagnostic2177
    @thephilosophicalagnostic2177 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are several scientific forms of materialism. Pick the right one and you'll know what's going on.

    • @Achrononmaster
      @Achrononmaster 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally false. There is *_no_* metaphysics that is scientific, not materialism, not panpsychism, not dualism, not raw idealism nor otherwise. All are ideologies. One of them *_might_* be true, but you have no scientific way to know it. Keeping it real. I'll point you to a David Chalmers extremely short little essay: _How cartesian dualism might have been true._ In fact it _could_ be true still. Any proof in principle is open to a realization, not necessarily the one Chalmers fabricates (lol.). But it is still not science.

    • @Michael-nt1me
      @Michael-nt1me 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What material is ...true, truth, and more truthful.... coming forth and going forward?

    • @Michael-nt1me
      @Michael-nt1me 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Achrononmaster
      There exists an integrally greater ...phenomenology, metaphysics, and conscience.... coming forth in proposals and going forward in projects.

  • @meeranraees3183
    @meeranraees3183 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

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    @meeranraees3183 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @georgegrubbs2966
    @georgegrubbs2966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Given what is know about the observable universe and life, physicalism is the best explanation. If someone has true evidence that differs, then come forward, produce the evidence and modify science accordingly. The fact is that life is totally physical. We are made from physical ingredients, and nowhere in the process of gestation or maturation does something immateral enter into our body-brain system.

    • @Footnotes2Plato
      @Footnotes2Plato  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@georgegrubbs2966 why are we conscious? There’s no reason for a purely physical process to be so

    • @georgegrubbs2966
      @georgegrubbs2966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Footnotes2Plato Per evolution, consciousness provides a survival advantage, thus increased reproduction.

    • @Footnotes2Plato
      @Footnotes2Plato  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So you believe consciousness enables some degree of top-down control over the organism’s behavior?

    • @notmyrealpseudonym6702
      @notmyrealpseudonym6702 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How is the arraying of physical material into complexes sufficient to have teleology despite a unidirectional perception of time sensorily a physical process?

    • @georgegrubbs2966
      @georgegrubbs2966 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@notmyrealpseudonym6702 A "unidirectional perception of time" is not germane. There is no teleology in evolution.

  • @BobKatLife
    @BobKatLife หลายเดือนก่อน

    How about the inadequacy of asserting “God did it, I believe it, and that settles it” as an explanation for existence? How about some actual evidence instead of SOPHISTRY? Pathetic.

  • @quakers200
    @quakers200 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it just me or is this just rambling. Science deals with science. Metaphysical ideas don't seem to be explained by science. When metaphysics can predict things that science can not then it deserves a place at the table. Yes physics contains things that do not match what we think of a common sense.

  • @nilavakar8068
    @nilavakar8068 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God of the gaps