Flouro breaks at the knot if you don't fold the braided loop back over the first twist. It cuts the flouro. Easy fix. Check out Toit video on surgeons testing.
I use 36 wraps on the FG knot and have never had it break. We recently had the jig get stuck on hard bottom with 80 pound braid and could not break it off. After repeated attempts and pulling with the boat using different directions we pulled a piece of rock off the bottom. I think if the FG knot is tied correctly it will stand up to the PR knot.
As evidenced by the first fog knot he tied you don’t need to wrap the knot anywhere close to 36 times to achieve 99% knot strength. The key is tying the knot properly. Based on your comment 36 wraps has been successful for you and since so much of fishing (and everything in life) is about confidence, 36 sounds like a good number for ya.
I'm sending this note to several fishing TH-cam channels for your consideration. I'm a knot guy. I'm old but still learning. I just ordered a bobbin for a PR knot and was watching your videos regarding knot strength. I've never seen any videos that cover knot strength mention one of the most important factors when fighting fish, and it plays in the selection of a knot to use. That factor is reel drag. I fish in-shore almost exclusively anymore. Lighter lines and leaders, many sources of abrasion, fish with razor-sharp gill covers and teeth, etc., all have to be dealt with. The spinning reels I use are usually in the 2000-4000 weight range. From hands-on tests, I found that my reels' drags top out at about 15 pounds and sometimes less, no matter what the manufacturers say. Deep sea reels I've used, top that, of course. I watch many tests of knot strength and wonder why fishermen get excited when knot strength far exceeds the maximum drag their reels can hold. Don't get me wrong, I like a strong knot, however, time to tie those fancy knots is not worth the frustration from sweaty hands, pitching boats, missing fish action, etc. just to tie the latest and greatest. I ordered the PR bobbin because it seems pretty much idiot proof and fast enough to justify its use. I also like the size of the knot for going through the line guides a few hundred times a day from casting lures. Maybe in the future acknowledge the entire system that holds the fish, i.e.; reel drag to line to knot to leader to terminal knot. They all play a role.
The FG and PR are not knots that you tie on a boat. They are tied before fishing so that your leader to braid connections doesn't break. Your rig will break at the sinker loop or the rig/ hook but you will still have your 15 or 20 feet of leader to rig up again and normally a fish will not break you off.
Been using the P.R. knot since the hard core vertical jigging days, a lot more brutal punishment than SPJ... NEVER failed. PR is for sure the way to go. Although I might be overdoing it as I always make it 3 - 3.5 inches long... thanks for putting this video up... my buddy claims his FG is superior... will wake him up with this video link... LOL.
Thanks Bigfish, You should tie your PR and his FG to the same piece of fluoro pull it together and see what breaks 🤣🤣🤣 easiest $20 bucks you will ever make
You w rap the fg knot as many times as Johnny did the PR knot then they will hold the same. I like to rotate my wraps when tying the FG knot to spread out the load. Remember the knot should be stronger than your max drag and that all you really need.
@@bigbull160not if the fish wraps you around a pylon especially with braid, braid isn't very good near heavy structure unless it's Powerpro Super slick.
Great knot vid! They make the difference between landing or LOSING fish of a lifetime. And you just never know when that opportunity is gonna happen. Tight lines!
Thank you great video. Wow what a reverse result on this vid than on the others and my own findings. I have always favour the FG knot over the PR knot but will say that you have perfected the PR knot if it constantly breaks at same strenght. Ask the mate to redo that FG test with 40 wraps, 20 is not enough.
My PR is very similiar except I Cut my floro tag a little longer and then melt it to form a mushroom and then 2 half hitches under the " head" and then 6 - 8 half hitches above and then "whip finish"......Never fails on any diameter line......Good video
Great video guys thanks. So today my bobbin came in. The first 5 PR knots kept slipping. So after I locked it down with 4 to 5 halh hitches l pulled it tight the same way I'd pull the FG knot tight befor trimming the leader and that fixed the problem no more slippage
I have tried the FG knot a few times and it has a great margin for error in tying it properly. PR bobbin will ensure perfect ties each time and really it seems faster with the bobbin for PR vs manually tying the FG. A lot of die hards out there for FG though and that's fine for them! Glad I just ordered a bobbin.
That is the breaking point of the FG knot between the leader and braided, thats the one I like because when I snag to bottom and trying to break the line I know I can retrieve my precious braided 😁.
The guy that tied the FG did a great job and it is the best demonstration I have seen on TH-cam. It is also exactly how I tie it, except I liked the way you did the Rizzuto finish. I also tied a Rizzuto also, but never wound it backwards and never do more than 4 wraps. I always test my knots with as hard of pull as I can to make sure it is tied properly. I also find it odd that ever other test I have seen between the PR and FG, the FG won hands down.
I think that’s a great idea! When I tie my FG knot I do 40 turns and 8 half hitch’s You should hold a friendly competition in tying these 2 knots and see who’s knot holds up. That would be fun🤩
Some of the guys in Indo use 3" long FG knots, wonder if that might make a difference. Also, love the Tokayo SJ3 and Accurate 500 2 speed combo, thanks guys!
Each knot should be tied as it was invented at its desired number of wraps and half hitches and knot length to get to the maximum breaking strength. What was demonstrated here was two people's own take on these excellent knots. They can preform exactly the same depending on the wind direction.
@@georgehenry7350 also even the same knot has a different amount of wraps depending on the line, like a double uni with 6lb mono only takes 2 sets of 4-5 wraps, but say your tying 6lb mono onto 10 lb braid, your gonna want to make more wraps on the braid end usually about 8-10 wraps, that's what Salt Strong taught me and as far as I'm concerned he's the King of fishing knots. Sometimes too many wraps will actually cause too much stress in the knot itself so in most cases it's actually better to use the least amount of wraps possible especially on thicker line. I can tie a triple surgeon on 6lb but on 20lb there's just no damn way cause it's nearly impossible to cinch correctly so I'll go with a double on 20lb.
Never heard of the PR knot. I've been tying the FG with rizutto for a long time and never had it pull on me when properly tied. Seems to me like the FG is way easier to tie out on the water as well.
I don't like doing the rizutto finish it makes it too bulky, I just do two half hitches and it seems to work fine sometimes it will slip when checking the knot but that's just because I messed up on the initial wrapping of it.
I know it's probably just me but I have problems getting an FG knot to go through those micro guides on a couple of my spj rods. I've never tied a PR knot but for now I've went back to my version of an improved crazy alberto. It goes through the guides no problem and so far I haven't had one come untied on me.(knock on wood) lol.
Cool video!! Tying a pr in rough seas is questionable 🤨 a solid fog can be tied in 2 minutes an your fishing 🎣 🤷🏼♂️ The one decent fg that got tied hit 39 so I’m fishing the fg 💪🏽
Finally a tutorial on these knots that is honest. They are SALTWATER KNOTS. There is absolutely no sane reason for using a knot that is this hard to tie when you are targeting 5 lb. fish. Try tying either of these knots using 10-15 lb. braid and a 6-10 lb. fluoro leader when you are in a bass boat in a 15-20 wind. Damn near impossible to do.
so many bonito get tossed back. Not anymore! imagine how good. it might be if properly bleed. Love your use of measuring tools! I use the same ones. Looking for the next video, and recipe
We tie both knots on the boat all the time. It can seem like a daunting task at first, but over time you become proficient and fast. I can assure you it is worth the effort as these two knots truly are the best fluorocarbon to braid connection.
My take, the 1/2 hitches with the PR are in non critical part. With the FG, it is very easy to scrape off coatings when you pull down on the locking wraps, weakening your mainline. Holiday Inn and bourbon informed. Much more than 20 and you can’t get an FG to tighten smoothly
Love both the knots, think PR is better, easier as well on the water?? long as you dont throw the bobbin overboard - yeah.... then swith to FG. Use Rizutto finish for both of them.
That FG needed more wraps. Also, I wonder if the fact that the tag end of the flouro wasn't burned so it would mushroom had to do with the fact that the braid was slipping off? That mushroom would stop it from moving at all
The drag maxed out on say an Accurate 500N is max 25lbs locked down, so any knot that holds over that amount of drag will do the job. I have to say you guys tied the FG knot not as good as the PR knot. Both are great knots and will hold so longs as the max drag is less than the breaking strength and that goes for any knot.
i think both PR and FG (a little less) are a waste of good leader material and braided main line. if i have time to do my knots at home, i use the fg or a combo of a bimini twist on the main line (even a spider hitch will do) to a yucatan knot, both have yet to fail me in a regular day to day situation. if i have to change my leader on the boat for any given reason, i even go to a uni to uni and call it a day.. even that knot combo has never failed me. i believe that the conection to the jig is more critical, because i have lost fish to poor quality solid rings that are sharp like a washer (im talking to you, williamson lures) and to knots that break or slip (that's on me)
@@gabrielduarte3904 I'm with you Gabriel, my breaks never happen at the FG but rather at the terminal connection. The thicker the loop you're tying to the more area that stress is distributed over. I also have a beef, but with VMC ball bearing swivels. I lost two good fish in Colombia a few months ago before I noticed one of the loops wasn't welded - never had a cheapo regular swivel let me down.
The fluoro breaking at 40lb and it being listed at 40lb fluoromis NOT the line breaking at the strength of the fluoro!! Especially in the USA they market almost all fishing line way under what the actual break strength is. 40lb fluoro likely has a breaknstrength of 50-60lb actual break strength. Same goes for braid. This has been tested litterally 10px online. Take power pro 40lb and it breaks around 60lb. So none of your knots actually broken at the real line strength of the knit. What the pr knot gets you is more even tension and surface area between the leader and braid. Try counting the number of wraps you did with that bobbin. It's like 50 plus the 20 you did by hand on tge initial wrap. So 70 wraps of braid over the fluoro. The fg knot strength is all about the number of wraps to spread the tension AND the consistency of tension and how you tighten the line. Also half hitching over just the braid cuts into the braid as the knot is stretched and ends up breaking. If you keep tge mono in there it tends not to cut into itself and cut thru the braid.
Thanks for the tutorial on the PR Knot. Do you need to pull the fluoro and braid in opposite directions, after the first couple of half hitches, in order to compress the wrapped braid on the fluoro like an FG Knot or does the second pass of braid wrapping with the tool take care of the compression naturally?
like this video... However it was a bit lop sided. I do not know anyone that would put so few hitches in an FG. The lighter the line the more hitches you do. For 30# I would have done a minimum of 25 to 30 per side. The PR knot works on the same principal. So to compare the two you should have roughly the same length knot. I have used both and have yet to have either one fail at the knot. In all cases the knot at my jig fails. If I am at home, I will use the PR. When I am out on the boat, the FG gets tied, no tools and takes 90 seconds to tie. Either way both are solid knots.
I shark fishing and only use the fg and i have never had a knot failure my fg knots are 3 to 4 in long 200 lb braid to 250 to 400 lb mono pending what im actually fishing for either shart or massive Goliath grouper
hey guys im new to jigging and and just getting back to fishing in general, but i use to use the alberto knot a lot, any experience on how it compares to these knots?
When i tie my FG knot all I do is make a loop and hold it on one hand and place the leader in the loop and go up & under 20 times and finish it off with a Riz finish. This keeps me from wasting a lot of line. When I tie the PR knot all I do is wrap around 25 times around in a down direction on the leader and 25 times in a opposite up direction and also finish it off with a Rizzo then I use a lighter to burn a mushroom on the leader for both knots. I don't think the tool is necessary. I don't recommend both knots on leader material under 20lb. My FC leader material of choice is Pline CFX
You have to spit on the FG knot before tightening it down or it will cut itself up. If the FG knot has half as many turns as the PR then it will not break...
I notice you tighten the FG knot under pressure with the line tensioners, but dont do this with the PR knot. Do you only need to cinch down the FG knot? They are both finger cuff style knots with half hitches, so why would you only cinch down the FG?
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 if you trim the leader after the rizzuto finish you would have the blunt end of the leader sticking out at the very end. The Rizzuto finish is supposed to provide a “ramp” so the end of the leader doesnt get stuck moving through the guides. At least thats what ive seen.
@@bido8176I've learned the FG with Rizzuto by watching the Mornintide guys, specifically Briggsy's video on how to tie it. His/their version is with the Rizutto over the top of the mono with the mono trimmed very tight. This is the way I tie it and it has never once failed me, whereas every other variation I've tried has failed at least once. I think the Aussies know their stuff for GT fishing. It does take practice to get perfect but its worth it to me, and you can change it a bit to have the tag covered by wraps like you said if need be. To me the version in the video just keeps the wraps from coming off, doesn't actually add knot strength. I guaruntee that my FG+R would beat that PR knot.
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 I will watch those videos. I Agree. Once the knot is tied and tightened the finish whether the Rizzuto is done over the mono and then cut or over the mono after its cut is just for appearance and how smooth the “ramp” is through the guides. The strength of the knot is in the wraps not the finish, whether it is PR or FG. I have done FG with Rizzuto finish where there is no tag end shown at all. Its a smooth seamless ramp with the tag end completely buried. Its nice 👍🏻
Plenty of tests like this one on the internet with fg being 100%. I love the pr but impossible to tie on the water in a hurry. No offense to your buddy but I would expect that fg to pop with the way he tied it.
FG 100%. Ive used a ton of knots in the gulf. Off the bank on 200-300lb goliaths. 8ft sharks, and 4 ft span stingrays....The FG has never failed. I only use 22 wraps and 4 half hitchs. That PR tool and casting through the eyes, tying at night....Not impressed.
I conduct my own testing too , this is just my observation ,,, for FG knot minimum 40 wraps to perform better for the PR Knot minimum 3 inches and no less than that , it's not true less wrap better ... And PR knot is much consistent than FG ...
I don't know the PR knot seems a little bulkier than the FG knot and I've still heard of people catching 700+lb grouper with 80lb line with the same knot so I think I'll stick with it. It's also kinda lame that you literally need a tool to tie a PR Knot.
I make my knot 5-6 inches long, and I do 3 half hitch knots to hold the coils down, then I do a fisherman's knot on top of them to make it never give. Then to make it a true 100% knot, I use a lighter on the mono leader until it gets liquid then quinch it with a wet finger so it makes it bulged so it can never come undone ever. Then finally I use a lighter on the braid tag end too.
There is simple variant on the PR knot that makes the knot to break always over 100% and almost never on the knot itself. the trick is to make the first few turns of the braid around the monofilament (min 3:30 to 3:47, the first part of the knot) more spaced apart (about 1/3 inch). Then come back tight as you did. Please try it and let me know if the knot is stronger that way. Maybe there is content for another knot video.
@@ultimatejay I tested with 40 pounds nomad braid and 50 pound sufix braid. The 40 pound nomad broke at 43 and doesn’t broke at the knot; the 50 pound broke at 56 and also doesn’t broke at the knot. This why I said it broke over the 100%.
@@ultimatejay Mathematically, 40 pound braid breaking at 43 pound is 107.5% of the breaking strength set by the manufacturer. but nevermind. You are right 😜
I use both knots, depending on what I’m fishing for. FG when casting and retrieving, especially through micro guides. Never had a failure. I use the PR knot for heavy braid to heavy leader when LBSF and going through a roller tip guide. Both knots, obviously, work on the finger cuff principle, (the tighter it’s pulled the tighter the grip ). And this is a serious question, but with either knot digging into the flouro or mono by design, does that weaken the leader material some?
Flouro breaks at the knot if you don't fold the braided loop back over the first twist. It cuts the flouro. Easy fix. Check out Toit video on surgeons testing.
I use 36 wraps on the FG knot and have never had it break. We recently had the jig get stuck on hard bottom with 80 pound braid and could not break it off. After repeated attempts and pulling with the boat using different directions we pulled a piece of rock off the bottom. I think if the FG knot is tied correctly it will stand up to the PR knot.
As evidenced by the first fog knot he tied you don’t need to wrap the knot anywhere close to 36 times to achieve 99% knot strength. The key is tying the knot properly. Based on your comment 36 wraps has been successful for you and since so much of fishing (and everything in life) is about confidence, 36 sounds like a good number for ya.
Had a South African client about 16-17 years ago teach me this knot. When he left Costa Rica he gave me his custom made bobbin. Super knot the PR
Agreed...
I'm sending this note to several fishing TH-cam channels for your consideration. I'm a knot guy. I'm old but still learning. I just ordered a bobbin for a PR knot and was watching your videos regarding knot strength. I've never seen any videos that cover knot strength mention one of the most important factors when fighting fish, and it plays in the selection of a knot to use. That factor is reel drag. I fish in-shore almost exclusively anymore. Lighter lines and leaders, many sources of abrasion, fish with razor-sharp gill covers and teeth, etc., all have to be dealt with. The spinning reels I use are usually in the 2000-4000 weight range. From hands-on tests, I found that my reels' drags top out at about 15 pounds and sometimes less, no matter what the manufacturers say. Deep sea reels I've used, top that, of course. I watch many tests of knot strength and wonder why fishermen get excited when knot strength far exceeds the maximum drag their reels can hold.
Don't get me wrong, I like a strong knot, however, time to tie those fancy knots is not worth the frustration from sweaty hands, pitching boats, missing fish action, etc. just to tie the latest and greatest. I ordered the PR bobbin because it seems pretty much idiot proof and fast enough to justify its use. I also like the size of the knot for going through the line guides a few hundred times a day from casting lures. Maybe in the future acknowledge the entire system that holds the fish, i.e.; reel drag to line to knot to leader to terminal knot. They all play a role.
hello sir,2500 or 3000 better for all round?
The FG and PR are not knots that you tie on a boat. They are tied before fishing so that your leader to braid connections doesn't break. Your rig will break at the sinker loop or the rig/ hook but you will still have your 15 or 20 feet of leader to rig up again and normally a fish will not break you off.
Been using the P.R. knot since the hard core vertical jigging days, a lot more brutal punishment than SPJ... NEVER failed. PR is for sure the way to go. Although I might be overdoing it as I always make it 3 - 3.5 inches long... thanks for putting this video up... my buddy claims his FG is superior... will wake him up with this video link... LOL.
Thanks Bigfish, You should tie your PR and his FG to the same piece of fluoro pull it together and see what breaks 🤣🤣🤣 easiest $20 bucks you will ever make
You w rap the fg knot as many times as Johnny did the PR knot then they will hold the same. I like to rotate my wraps when tying the FG knot to spread out the load. Remember the knot should be stronger than your max drag and that all you really need.
@@bigbull160not if the fish wraps you around a pylon especially with braid, braid isn't very good near heavy structure unless it's Powerpro Super slick.
Great knot vid! They make the difference between landing or LOSING fish of a lifetime. And you just never know when that opportunity is gonna happen. Tight lines!
Thanks John..definitely does.
Thank you great video. Wow what a reverse result on this vid than on the others and my own findings. I have always favour the FG knot over the PR knot but will say that you have perfected the PR knot if it constantly breaks at same strenght. Ask the mate to redo that FG test with 40 wraps, 20 is not enough.
We will for sure...
I agree, I use at least 36 wraps and sometimes 38 wraps on the FG and have never had it break.
Yeah I’m doing about 30 wraps on my FG, 4 half hitches to finish her off. She does good.
Sorry John Peter Eddie I'm with Chris on this one Give 15 to 20 wraps on that FG it will hold your boat in place... Love the video though
At the end of the day the best knot is the one you are most comfortable with and tie the well🤙
@@JohnnyJigsTV Yup agree and Jig on..(Kraig)
Ah ha...now I know your TH-cam handle...💥🤣
My PR is very similiar except I Cut my floro tag a little longer and then melt it to form a mushroom and then 2 half hitches under the " head" and then 6 - 8 half hitches above and then "whip finish"......Never fails on any diameter line......Good video
Great video guys thanks. So today my bobbin came in. The first 5 PR knots kept slipping. So after I locked it down with 4 to 5 halh hitches l pulled it tight the same way I'd pull the FG knot tight befor trimming the leader and that fixed the problem no more slippage
I have tried the FG knot a few times and it has a great margin for error in tying it properly. PR bobbin will ensure perfect ties each time and really it seems faster with the bobbin for PR vs manually tying the FG. A lot of die hards out there for FG though and that's fine for them! Glad I just ordered a bobbin.
That is the breaking point of the FG knot between the leader and braided, thats the one I like because when I snag to bottom and trying to break the line I know I can retrieve my precious braided 😁.
The guy that tied the FG did a great job and it is the best demonstration I have seen on TH-cam. It is also exactly how I tie it, except I liked the way you did the Rizzuto finish. I also tied a Rizzuto also, but never wound it backwards and never do more than 4 wraps. I always test my knots with as hard of pull as I can to make sure it is tied properly. I also find it odd that ever other test I have seen between the PR and FG, the FG won hands down.
Check out Briggsy from Morningtide and his FG knot +Rizutto video. It is superior to this version of the FG.
I want a job! You guys have too much fun at the store great vid guys
Just another… what day was that?
You're hired
Amazing the zip tie broke before the fluoro, braid, knot, etc!
Thanks foe sharing, I was always curious of the breaking strength of each knot.
Hey Dan...Super interesting for us too. I'm considering doing it again using various versions of the same knot.
I think that’s a great idea! When I tie my FG knot I do 40 turns and 8 half hitch’s
You should hold a friendly competition in tying these 2 knots and see who’s knot holds up. That would be fun🤩
Some of the guys in Indo use 3" long FG knots, wonder if that might make a difference. Also, love the Tokayo SJ3 and Accurate 500 2 speed combo, thanks guys!
Thank you Dan...I'm considering doing a pr video at different lengths...might be interesting.
Have never had an FG knot fail. Even when snagged on wrecks and had to break off. Either the hook knot, leader or braid give out before the FG.
You did the video about the knot I asked you to do the video. Great knots. Btw the daiwa saltiga 35H I bought there works fantastic!
Glad to hear it..🤙
I think to be fair the PR knot was near double the length of the FG. You guys might want to do similar lengths for each knot and give the results.
Thats what i saw in the video too.
I concur
Each knot should be tied as it was invented at its desired number of wraps and half hitches and knot length to get to the maximum breaking strength. What was demonstrated here was two people's own take on these excellent knots. They can preform exactly the same depending on the wind direction.
@@georgehenry7350LoL what does wind direction have to do with knot strength
@@georgehenry7350 also even the same knot has a different amount of wraps depending on the line, like a double uni with 6lb mono only takes 2 sets of 4-5 wraps, but say your tying 6lb mono onto 10 lb braid, your gonna want to make more wraps on the braid end usually about 8-10 wraps, that's what Salt Strong taught me and as far as I'm concerned he's the King of fishing knots. Sometimes too many wraps will actually cause too much stress in the knot itself so in most cases it's actually better to use the least amount of wraps possible especially on thicker line. I can tie a triple surgeon on 6lb but on 20lb there's just no damn way cause it's nearly impossible to cinch correctly so I'll go with a double on 20lb.
Never heard of the PR knot. I've been tying the FG with rizutto for a long time and never had it pull on me when properly tied. Seems to me like the FG is way easier to tie out on the water as well.
I don't like doing the rizutto finish it makes it too bulky, I just do two half hitches and it seems to work fine sometimes it will slip when checking the knot but that's just because I messed up on the initial wrapping of it.
any other videos of the Rizzuto finish? I can’t grasp that
I know it's probably just me but I have problems getting an FG knot to go through those micro guides on a couple of my spj rods. I've never tied a PR knot but for now I've went back to my version of an improved crazy alberto. It goes through the guides no problem and so far I haven't had one come untied on me.(knock on wood) lol.
Hey.. whatever works for you is the right way to do it...Jig On!
Cool video!! Tying a pr in rough seas is questionable 🤨 a solid fog can be tied in 2 minutes an your fishing 🎣 🤷🏼♂️
The one decent fg that got tied hit 39 so I’m fishing the fg 💪🏽
Brod...Why knot...Pun intended..FG if tied correctly is a excellent knot. I actually use 40 wraps on mine....Johnny
@@JohnnyJigsTV haha wow 40 wraps
I’d bet my 18 wrap FG tied in rough seas would beat that 40 wrap PR you tie in the shop 💪🏽
Awesome video!
Finally a tutorial on these knots that is honest. They are SALTWATER KNOTS. There is absolutely no sane reason for using a knot that is this hard to tie when you are targeting 5 lb. fish. Try tying either of these knots using 10-15 lb. braid and a 6-10 lb. fluoro leader when you are in a bass boat in a 15-20 wind. Damn near impossible to do.
Awesome test. Thanks
so many bonito get tossed back. Not anymore! imagine how good. it might be if properly bleed. Love your use of measuring tools! I use the same ones.
Looking for the next video, and recipe
sorry , was replying to another video and then, there you were? I bought the bobbin and used you knot on my last long range trip.
Lol...np...thanks David
Guess if I ever hit one of those pulley ridge trips I know which knot I’ll tie ahead of time.
Exactly! It is an ahead of time knot, not a while, you are fishing knot.
🤣😂🤣😂
We tie both knots on the boat all the time. It can seem like a daunting task at first, but over time you become proficient and fast. I can assure you it is worth the effort as these two knots truly are the best fluorocarbon to braid connection.
My take, the 1/2 hitches with the PR are in non critical part. With the FG, it is very easy to scrape off coatings when you pull down on the locking wraps, weakening your mainline. Holiday Inn and bourbon informed. Much more than 20 and you can’t get an FG to tighten smoothly
Love both the knots, think PR is better, easier as well on the water?? long as you dont throw the bobbin overboard - yeah.... then swith to FG. Use Rizutto finish for both of them.
Agreed 🤙
That FG needed more wraps. Also, I wonder if the fact that the tag end of the flouro wasn't burned so it would mushroom had to do with the fact that the braid was slipping off? That mushroom would stop it from moving at all
The drag maxed out on say an Accurate 500N is max 25lbs locked down, so any knot that holds over that amount of drag will do the job. I have to say you guys tied the FG knot not as good as the PR knot. Both are great knots and will hold so longs as the max drag is less than the breaking strength and that goes for any knot.
The max drag on the 500n is about 30lbs but you seriously risk snapping the cam if you actually push it that high.
i think both PR and FG (a little less) are a waste of good leader material and braided main line. if i have time to do my knots at home, i use the fg or a combo of a bimini twist on the main line (even a spider hitch will do) to a yucatan knot, both have yet to fail me in a regular day to day situation. if i have to change my leader on the boat for any given reason, i even go to a uni to uni and call it a day.. even that knot combo has never failed me. i believe that the conection to the jig is more critical, because i have lost fish to poor quality solid rings that are sharp like a washer (im talking to you, williamson lures) and to knots that break or slip (that's on me)
@@gabrielduarte3904 I'm with you Gabriel, my breaks never happen at the FG but rather at the terminal connection. The thicker the loop you're tying to the more area that stress is distributed over. I also have a beef, but with VMC ball bearing swivels. I lost two good fish in Colombia a few months ago before I noticed one of the loops wasn't welded - never had a cheapo regular swivel let me down.
Bobbin tension correct setting would be helpful
Dude, That would be super helpful. Great idea 💡
@@JohnnyJigsTV I've struggled with finding the right tension though Ive only tied about 10 pr knots and its been a struggle.
And a bonus those black zip ties break at around 40lb too ;)
How long of leaders do you usually use with either of those knots? How do they do in terms of sitting in the reel spool?
We usually use 10-12' or two arms length. The knot winds onto the spool, no problem.
On that 15 lb FG, looks like there was a small overhand knot or something in the braid right above the rizz finish.
Yeah....I noticed it too after watching the video...Good eye James 👍
The fluoro breaking at 40lb and it being listed at 40lb fluoromis NOT the line breaking at the strength of the fluoro!! Especially in the USA they market almost all fishing line way under what the actual break strength is. 40lb fluoro likely has a breaknstrength of 50-60lb actual break strength. Same goes for braid. This has been tested litterally 10px online. Take power pro 40lb and it breaks around 60lb. So none of your knots actually broken at the real line strength of the knit.
What the pr knot gets you is more even tension and surface area between the leader and braid. Try counting the number of wraps you did with that bobbin. It's like 50 plus the 20 you did by hand on tge initial wrap. So 70 wraps of braid over the fluoro. The fg knot strength is all about the number of wraps to spread the tension AND the consistency of tension and how you tighten the line. Also half hitching over just the braid cuts into the braid as the knot is stretched and ends up breaking. If you keep tge mono in there it tends not to cut into itself and cut thru the braid.
The pr knot is stronger in test conditions, its a 100% knot. Fg is 70% on average. But finished with a 5 turn risutto
highly suggest the alberto knot
Thanks for the tutorial on the PR Knot. Do you need to pull the fluoro and braid in opposite directions, after the first couple of half hitches, in order to compress the wrapped braid on the fluoro like an FG Knot or does the second pass of braid wrapping with the tool take care of the compression naturally?
like this video... However it was a bit lop sided. I do not know anyone that would put so few hitches in an FG. The lighter the line the more hitches you do. For 30# I would have done a minimum of 25 to 30 per side. The PR knot works on the same principal. So to compare the two you should have roughly the same length knot. I have used both and have yet to have either one fail at the knot. In all cases the knot at my jig fails. If I am at home, I will use the PR. When I am out on the boat, the FG gets tied, no tools and takes 90 seconds to tie. Either way both are solid knots.
Should your rizzuto finish “ramp” extend out past the fluro leader tag end? Its looks odd but I guess thats how it’s supposed to look?
I shark fishing and only use the fg and i have never had a knot failure my fg knots are 3 to 4 in long 200 lb braid to 250 to 400 lb mono pending what im actually fishing for either shart or massive Goliath grouper
hey guys im new to jigging and and just getting back to fishing in general, but i use to use the alberto knot a lot, any experience on how it compares to these knots?
PR never fails
Yup...
When i tie my FG knot all I do is make a loop and hold it on one hand and place the leader in the loop and go up & under 20 times and finish it off with a Riz finish. This keeps me from wasting a lot of line. When I tie the PR knot all I do is wrap around 25 times around in a down direction on the leader and 25 times in a opposite up direction and also finish it off with a Rizzo then I use a lighter to burn a mushroom on the leader for both knots. I don't think the tool is necessary. I don't recommend both knots on leader material under 20lb. My FC leader material of choice is Pline CFX
Thanks Chris. Love the info
You have to spit on the FG knot before tightening it down or it will cut itself up. If the FG knot has half as many turns as the PR then it will not break...
i wonder how strong fg knot is if you tie it as long as pr kont?
I notice you tighten the FG knot under pressure with the line tensioners, but dont do this with the PR knot. Do you only need to cinch down the FG knot? They are both finger cuff style knots with half hitches, so why would you only cinch down the FG?
in your opinion which is the best way to connect braid to braid
PR knot for sure...
@@JohnnyJigsTV so 30 lb braid to 30 lb braid you suggest the PR not
@@JohnnyJigsTV basically what I would like to do is to join the two braided Lines
I'm sorry Jevon I misread your first message. I try not to join braid to braid if I can prevent it, but when I do I use a Uni to Uni knot.
Isn't the Rizutto supposed to go over your mono tag end before you trim it?
With the FG at least?
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 if you trim the leader after the rizzuto finish you would have the blunt end of the leader sticking out at the very end. The Rizzuto finish is supposed to provide a “ramp” so the end of the leader doesnt get stuck moving through the guides. At least thats what ive seen.
@@bido8176I've learned the FG with Rizzuto by watching the Mornintide guys, specifically Briggsy's video on how to tie it. His/their version is with the Rizutto over the top of the mono with the mono trimmed very tight. This is the way I tie it and it has never once failed me, whereas every other variation I've tried has failed at least once. I think the Aussies know their stuff for GT fishing. It does take practice to get perfect but its worth it to me, and you can change it a bit to have the tag covered by wraps like you said if need be. To me the version in the video just keeps the wraps from coming off, doesn't actually add knot strength. I guaruntee that my FG+R would beat that PR knot.
@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 I will watch those videos. I Agree. Once the knot is tied and tightened the finish whether the Rizzuto is done over the mono and then cut or over the mono after its cut is just for appearance and how smooth the “ramp” is through the guides. The strength of the knot is in the wraps not the finish, whether it is PR or FG. I have done FG with Rizzuto finish where there is no tag end shown at all. Its a smooth seamless ramp with the tag end completely buried. Its nice 👍🏻
There's a thing called the SC knot....I use it, & it seems to be something you can complete on a 'pitching' :) boat w/o tools. Anyone else?
I agree the PR not as so long When I do my FG not 10lb to 8lb or 6lb I do 40 raps have never broken the knot
I'm not tying fg in a hurry lol. If I'm in a hurry it's uni uni
Hello, why does my PR knot slip everytime im sinching it?
agreed 6-8 half hitches
Plenty of tests like this one on the internet with fg being 100%. I love the pr but impossible to tie on the water in a hurry. No offense to your buddy but I would expect that fg to pop with the way he tied it.
FG 100%. Ive used a ton of knots in the gulf. Off the bank on 200-300lb goliaths. 8ft sharks, and 4 ft span stingrays....The FG has never failed. I only use 22 wraps and 4 half hitchs. That PR tool and casting through the eyes, tying at night....Not impressed.
Bimini to huffnagle, no tools needed and it won't break at the knot ever. Only downside is it is bulkier than pr or the fg.
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I conduct my own testing too , this is just my observation ,,, for FG knot minimum 40 wraps to perform better for the PR Knot minimum 3 inches and no less than that , it's not true less wrap better ... And PR knot is much consistent than FG ...
Love the information Pepper Jack....I'm sure we will do more videos based on the some of the comments...
@@JohnnyJigsTV One more thing I noticed about FG, FG’s coil has some hot spots because of uneven tension, , unlike PR the coil tensions are uniform …
sounds like ya swated the wasp nest on this one🐝
Make equal wraps of fg and pr knot.
I like it good Idea. Hopefully soon can make a new video with all the suggestions
@@JohnnyJigsTV like watchin ur video .
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Try relix knot 👌
I don't know the PR knot seems a little bulkier than the FG knot and I've still heard of people catching 700+lb grouper with 80lb line with the same knot so I think I'll stick with it. It's also kinda lame that you literally need a tool to tie a PR Knot.
#TeamPRknot
I always believed a fisherman's only as good as their knots, if that biggen gets on and he breaks off then whats their to show for.
Maybe you should have wet the lines when you do the test
Agreed...We plan on making another video using all the suggestions from the viewers. Thanks Loron
how to tie FG knot & PR Knot the Hardest way possible :>
I make my knot 5-6 inches long, and I do 3 half hitch knots to hold the coils down, then I do a fisherman's knot on top of them to make it never give. Then to make it a true 100% knot, I use a lighter on the mono leader until it gets liquid then quinch it with a wet finger so it makes it bulged so it can never come undone ever. Then finally I use a lighter on the braid tag end too.
So it's a Bimini with no loop ..
There is simple variant on the PR knot that makes the knot to break always over 100% and almost never on the knot itself. the trick is to make the first few turns of the braid around the monofilament (min 3:30 to 3:47, the first part of the knot) more spaced apart (about 1/3 inch). Then come back tight as you did. Please try it and let me know if the knot is stronger that way. Maybe there is content for another knot video.
How can it be stronger it was already breaking at 100% 🤦♂️
@@ultimatejay I tested with 40 pounds nomad braid and 50 pound sufix braid. The 40 pound nomad broke at 43 and doesn’t broke at the knot; the 50 pound broke at 56 and also doesn’t broke at the knot. This why I said it broke over the 100%.
@@erielmesa3430 thats 100%
@@ultimatejay Mathematically, 40 pound braid breaking at 43 pound is 107.5% of the breaking strength set by the manufacturer. but nevermind. You are right 😜
@@erielmesa3430 All top brand fishing lines break above the marked poundage.
Should be called the 10 minute knot lol
It takes three days to tie that disaster.....
🤣🤣😂It takes practice
So many waste of braid and fluorocarbon
U never SERVED the Fg knot before all your half hitches. Your video is debunked
I use both knots, depending on what I’m fishing for. FG when casting and retrieving, especially through micro guides. Never had a failure. I use the PR knot for heavy braid to heavy leader when LBSF and going through a roller tip guide. Both knots, obviously, work on the finger cuff principle, (the tighter it’s pulled the tighter the grip ). And this is a serious question, but with either knot digging into the flouro or mono by design, does that weaken the leader material some?
With the knot digging into the flouro or mono, absolutely it WEAKENS the leader material, not by alot, but some.