Goku vs Jiren - Differing Philosophies of Battle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มี.ค. 2018
- Ultra Instinct Goku vs Jiren is the big finale of Dragon Ball Super Episode 130 and 131 but today we look at the PHILOSOPHY BEHIND Jiren vs Goku and what the battle REALLY means. We go IN DEPTH about Jiren's character and Goku's character and their differing philosophies.
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*_When you remember that Dragon Ball can become really philosophical when it wants to._*
I totally relate to Jiren, when you've lived a traumatic life all you can count on is your own strength, absolute power!!!
His past is almost nothing compared to the saiyans
@@sebastiaanherle5093 But at least Jiren cares about it, and that make it more suffering.
@@AlchemyKirby vegeta cares but he just cares that frieza destroyed the planet he was destined to rule
Exactly people act like he's a cookie cut but people can't accept he's genuinely that simple. Just because we saw glimpses of his past does not mean he doesn't have one.
@@MAR-sc7np no he doesn't if he did care he would have wished the Sayians back
I actually pity Jiren, even after he nearly killed the other Z-Fighters. His fear of being weak and losing due to his past trauma is creeping up on him, causing him to lose it and make irrational decisions (attacking the people on the stands). As far as I can tell, he's not evil, but fear can crumble even the most powerful mountains.
@David Y Aren't cookies hard to cut?
@David Y honestly your just wrong at the point.
@David Y in the manga he takes on more of a heroic depth than in the anime because in the manga he would've returned to his universe if anything critical happened and the manga added more depth into what his master wanted for him
@David Y oh please let's be honest what anime character ever has a seriously deep background?
@@rheem5794 there are some exceptions but not really in shonen sadly. Shigerui, Berserk, Ghost in the Shell are all masterclasses in deep and flawed characters but they don't have the ridiculous scale of dragon ball so it's easier to tell thoughtful, character driven stories
After watching the video, I must say that this was an excellent analysis. Jiren's character kinda reminds me of the Hedgehog's dilemma where he wants to have real friends, but doesn't want to get hurt. Congrats on 500k subs, you definitely deserve it!
Goku was raised on Earth, he doesn't feel the saiyan race or his biological father and mother as his own. He wasn't there when frizea killed them all. Vegeta was. This is why you can't compare that with Jiren's trauma. You could compare Vegeta with Jiren on this matter. The difference is very small. Vegeta is driven by anger, and Jiren is driven by fear. Both have strived for absolute power, so that theres noone above them.
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Whom' St
Time for a face reveal
JSPH : he already did one
SSJB Final Fusions pics or it didn’t happen
SSJB Final Fusions when
Whom' St can you please tell me where you got your profile pic from
Jiren: “ You haven’t even seen my full power yet!”
*Jiren’s shirt ripped off, bruised, and breathing hard*
super saiyan rose well not bruised but he’s getting his shit rocked in the next ep judging by the preview my guy
super saiyan rose it’s supposed to be a joke dude 🤦🏽♂️
Chris thank u 😂
Every battle in Z onwards has represented some form of development for Goku. Goku vs Vegeta he showed that a superficial class system doesnt decide whos better, hard work does. Goku vs Frieza showed the struggles of staying true to yourself and consequences of showing mercy. Goku and Gohan vs Cell was about passing the torch and taking responsibilty for your actions via Goku deciding to stay dead. Goku vs Kidbuu was about Goku accepting that he cant always win by himself and needs others' help sometimes. Goku vs Beerus was about Goku showing that no one decides your limits but you. Goku vs Frieza was about not letting your guard down even when youve won. Goku vs Hit was to never be someone elses pawn. Goku vs Black was pretty obvious. And Goku vs Jiren is trust in others vs isolation and solitude.
Shahaan Mirza
Damn... Dragon Ball can be kinda deep sometimes
@@RickyUzumaki993 Funny thing is that all its philosophy shit happens during its fights
@@errwhattheflip
I know, right?
Love vs. Fear. Jiren fears to disappoint others which fuels his need for power. Goku loves everyone even his enemies which is a result of his pure hearted, child like innocence.
I feel bad, i have been skipping videos to avoid spoilers for the last 2 episodes, good to have a video like this
Nvm
Prakhar Sharma wym
Prakhar Sharma Good idea cause it fucking killed my excitement
Spoilers? You mean Goku being defeated and Freiza using the death beam to Jiren?
Hey...don’t read the replies if u don’t want to be spoiled
I really like Jiren. I know a lot of people find him dull, but that "dullness" brings out his character. It's something different. If he had no backstory, no reason for always being silent, and did not have trust issues, then yes, he would be flat and boring. The way you talk about Jiren in this video brings out his personality even more, I think.
But I still want Freeza to win. :D
Jason W Baccaro yeah
Jason W Baccaro you are lol free a 😂
Jason W Baccaro best anime fight
@@HimanshuYadav-zp8rh what
TBH I like Jiren I know some people don't like him because of his character but it's not Jiren's fault Toriyama is a bad writer
Jiren: Friends equal weakness
Goku: Friends equal strength
I had actually never really put that depth of thought into this. Its Dragon Ball, I usually try and sit back and enjoy it without the need to over analysis every detail. This is interesting though and it shows that the writers actually did put some thought into the story and Jiren's character. While it could have always been executed better but I dig it and its given me a new perspective on this tournament, well done.
Geekdom is forcing things to look more meaningful which is ok tho
jonas falcon No, that’s the actual message they’re trying to show.
tpl well the head writers of super said in the intervew like said in the video that the anime was written under the idea that it was a fight between ideologys as much as survival so it was likely intentional.
Tomorrow is going to be lit AF 👀🙌🏾
Wavy Haitian ye
Honestly I can't wait...
Since when?
Lol he's trolling
Have y'all seen the videos with the crowds of people watching like they're at a sports bar! 😆😆
Strength is absolute.
Dre Williams facts
the color orange is too
This is the reason why I love this channel soo much:
- The depthness of the topics being talked about. It's interesting and gives the fans more insight on the series.
Such a good channel with good values the content creator preaches/holds.
Congratz on the 500k. It's already been an amazing and inspiring journey.
"That damaged Son Goku. How many times is he going to break his limits?"
-Belmod
*Dragon ball in a nutshell*
More like saint seiya in nutshell
People who complain about literally every episode and thinks goku should automatically win cause he got a new transformation should, watch this and look at the bigger picture.
Shakur Ikr!
Don't let this philological discussion distract you from the fact that Super might end before King Kai gets revived.
Prince Revolver buu still sleeping!
LOLLLL
Almost forgot
Lol.
Imagine if that's frieza's wish :P
"I want children to pick up on what Jiren learns and feels from fighting Goku."
I LOVE that they made this statement! It supports something I've been believing concerning Jiren's development or enlightening through interacting with Goku.
Geekdom, you made a video a little while ago breaking down Jiren's internal issues resulting from brutal loss and severe isolation; having no faith in anyone but himself. It led me to consider that the way to breaking through what is truly Jiren's internal trauma (as is being played out based on INTERPRETATION of Toriyama's point) would be for him not to win, since his winning would only fuel his traumatic, faulty reasoning concerning why self reliance is the only worthwhile way in life. I thought back then that Goku, being the polar opposite in having the utmost respect for and no fear of reliance on teamwork and support, would have to defeat Jiren to help him understand how wrong he was. However, if Ultra Instinct Goku was made to solely defeat Jiren, I'd think it would still fuel Jiren's faulty philosophy since, from his perspective, it would be ONE man's great power that triumphed, just not HIS power. Based on your prior video I mentioned, back then I thought Goku would be key to Jiren's awakening to the truth. However, after seeing from the recent released image for 131 that both Goku AND Frieza are team-working against Jiren, I see now that this is the way Jiren can truly witness the fact that it is support, community, and teamwork that is the superior way in life. Jiren would still need to be brought to max power for this important life lesson to happen since anything less than his full power, he can just reason that his full power would have been superior. At full power, clear and evident teamwork would have to be the victor for this lesson. Ultra Instinct Goku is able to bring out, not only Jiren's full power, but helps Jiren to break through his own limits to realize even MORE tremendous power! If teamwork is able to defeat this epicly powered Jiren, where Goku has even fallen out of Ultra Instinct, what an amazing eye opener this can be for Jiren!! This Tournament of Power and interacting with Goku and friends can cause Jiren to reap far more in value than he ever expected from this tournament. Of course, if his universe is erased it seems a pointless lesson, but somehow, I believe the universes will be restored.
That's my jiren my favorite character been through same thing he did the lost of love ones, betrayal, trusting the wrong people, and etc....Made me emotionless
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Btw like your name
Wow dope video. After watching the TOP end. This was spot on!
Amazing video !!!! Please make more like this I had to pull over to watch this a 2nd time
Congratulations on reaching 500k subs that's an incredible milestone and you deserve it you put out the best dragonball content period.
Those that hate on Jiren hate on him bc it's "cool". I highly doubt they've given any thought at all to who Jiren is
Machi
Agreed
This was very amazing Big D, keep it coming!
Man you're posting great video after great video. I'm so happy about the channel
It's amazing how Jiren is so strong and skilled with out any Gimmick's he is just that powerful
Its funny, im going for Jiren because i live the way he does because of the past that i went though. letting my guard down and being hurt from my loved ones to my best friends, and trying to become independent so i would not have to rely on anyone. and yet i still sometimes see that Goku's approach can be right. I've had people who had my back and i didn't really expect it. but it mad a would of difference in my life, finding that middle ground is hard to find. great battle! go Jiren!
Love these videos man
Makes the morning drive to work a whole lot easier
I watched so many of your videos, I finally decided to subscribe. Your stuff is just that good.
Glad to be here :)
You bring up some fantastic points. It would be interesting to see Jiren have a small conversation with Goku when he sees Frieza aiding him. Something around the lines of “he’s my mortal enemy, and he’s even killed my friends. But I’m trusting him to help me win this.” This would then hit Jiren hard at the realization that finding strength in your friends and even your enemies is were real power come from. And that perhaps he starts to doubt himself and see how wrong he was this whole time. Or maybe the exact opposite happens where he rejects this idea and uses it as fuel to defeat Goku to prove how much of a fool he’s being.
Well technically half right.
Its sad that super is ending super wasn't perfect but I got to say I enjoyed every minute of it every Saturday I just wait to watch it
ROCKET MAN agreed
Eazy Legend get out my inbox joking lol
ROCKET MAN wait wha
There’s a new season confirmed brother.
ohh no no it's the best
Dude....this video was great... Well done.
An interesting take. Thank you for doing all this work man.
Fershizzle
Jiren the grey vs Goku the sliver, one gives into his rage and only sees power beyond power while the other has a tranquil mind who lets his body act all by itself...
Regardless if these contrasts were intentional, I can't wait to see this fight's finale (even if the ending may have already been decided).
Andre Stewart What are you talking about a!?!?!? It’s Jiren-The-Pink
Congratz on 500k sub's
Awesome video!! Congrats on 1/2 a mill subscribers!
Magnificent video!!!
Goku Cena vs Jiren Lesnar
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Goku Reigns has been pushed even more than Goku Cena.
Goku Steve austin
Mr Popo 😂
Jiren= Superman's body + Saitama's hair + Batman's personality
He has no personality.
@@_Seru_ yeah he does.
@@sabaibaikari7023 No, he doesn't.
@@_Seru_ then you didn’t even see what he’s been through and later after the tournament.
@@sabaibaikari7023 I did. He has a pointless, cliche backstory and he's utterly bland with zero interesting qualities. He's a plot device, not a character.
Great video Geekdom! One of my favorites!
Loved the video, keep up the hard work!
dont let this distract you from the fact that shawn screwed brett
MikeTheManGod yep
Bret
Not Brett
Brett screwed Brett tf you mean?
LET'S GET IT. Who else is ready ? Im tired of waiting 😂😂😭😭 lol.
EVERYONE IS READY!
John W Exactly bro they should of gave us a 1 hour special with BOTH episodes so we can get it over with 😂😂😂 lol
Eastwood Rufus oh we have super tommorow?
Great Video Geekdom very in depth much appreciated..
Great video as always man
The most incredible thing I’ve seen in the Survival arc surprisingly I’ve not seen anyone else mention is when Goku receives Vegeta’s remaining strength and he reflects on his friends that have stood with him is Freiza himself refers to Son Goku not as a mere Sayan-but by is given name. He refers to him as “Son Goku”. He has earned the respect of one of his universes’s most malevolent tyrants. That blew me away COMPLETELY!! And still does!
7MILE CAL
Same here
Dang, this fight looks amazing. Like back in the old day of DBZ/DBZ KAI
I really hope the servers on VRV or crunchy roll dont crash on the last episode
But probably they are because y'know. Last episode of dbs until the movie. dang thats 9 months if we get it late december or 10ish if janurary.
Bro, I’ve been a subscriber for about a year or so. Longtime Dragonball fan. Your description of Goku’s and Jiren’s motivations and further their outcomes is spot on. I felt the exact same thing while I watched this last arc of super. Great content my man, keep up the videos
This might be my favorite video from you, love the analysis
*Who watched the Infinity War trailer? It's LITTT!*
Xem Ye
Calling it cap or iron man is dying
Hella lit lol
Bro cant wait to watch it when it comes out
John W gamora and Loki die
Idk why people don’t like how Goku loses to Jiren. Jiren needs to win to stay relevant. People will always like Goku, can’t say the same thing about Jiren. What drives the Jiren fan base is that he’s strong and that invincible being. The moment he loses his fan base plummets. This keeps me excited to continue seeing Jiren and seeing how much further Goku can get mastering his Ultra Instinct.
I don't comment a lot, but this one deserves a BRAVO. Great work on this vid, D. I think this has been a greatly understated focal point of the tournament. Thanks for doing this one (pause)! 👍
Impressive breakdown. Good stuff
Dragon Ball Fandom Question: If Toriyama passed away and left everything up to Toyotarō would you be okay with it?
Vibes Are Black I honestly would.
I'd be in the middle.
not me
By the time he goes Toy will probably a much more developed writer so yee
Fwock no. He is too much of a fan. Toriyama's favorite character are Piccolo and Mr Satan, yet he doesn't make them super amazing. Toyotaro loves Vegeta and he fought Goku black instead of Goku, despite the fact that was Goku's body.
Basically Plot Armor vs Overpowered
Which is which? Lol
Erik Rodriguez To be honest, even I don't know.
Erik Rodriguez
Goku: Plot
Jiren: OP
Bailey Jones
Drago: unstoppable
Rocky: immovable
Faaaaaaark people are missing the point of this fight, that being we are stronger when we're fighting for others rather than ourselves.
Great analysis @Geekdom!!
Great video, really good breakdown
Everyone who watches dragon ball super is a fanboy too a specific character BUT you can’t be stupid fanboy and automatically think his favorite character should win based on a transformation (goku) and be a smart fanboy and realize that some characters or just way too strong for your favorite character to handle.
2 more episodes left. 😭
Shakur I mean I'm not a goku fan boy, I'm more vegeta myself but I think goku is not getting eliminated
I wish there was a DBS Abridged series for the TOP.
Devin Posey sure there will be once all episodes are out
Generic TH-camr name they ended doing DBA.
Mystic Ningen no, its just other projects that are more important right now
Please No RPGs no, after the cell gohan full fight, they are done with DBZA. However there is a DBSA channel by a guy named DevilArtemis. Not as good or the same, but still
Kingof Grim no they never said that they were ending they said this is this end of the season not series
This was an excellent and well crafted video.
Glad you made a video showing love to the series instead of trashing it like the last few videos.. lol. None the less, thank you for your content and great video! I couldn't agree more
I low "KI" caught feels just a little
Ki get it😉😉
Ha
I think Toei is trolling...just like big films that make fake scenes to put people off...I think Toei is doing the same...first they said Goku will lose....but then the image was leaked and Goku is in with black hair....so one of these information is fake
Super Vegito Plot twist, goku leaves behind an energy land mine that incinerates the entire arena except the tiny rock that Frieza is clinging to. 🤙🏽
Super Vegito you really think they would just let the main character just get beaten on the very last big battle of the series,...I didn't think that for a second
Says he fell off. INSTANT TRANSMISSION
i was wondering the same..goku could just instant transmission back on a platform..unless hes unconscious
Super Vegito they technically never said goku lost, they just said he fell not eliminated so he probably instant transmissioned
Fantastic video geekdom
Always dropping insightful takes. I agree ☝️
Goku has a similar backstory to Superman: sent to Earth because his home world exploded, etc. Jiren has a similar backstory to Batman, even with the clown God of Destruction who is sort of like the Joker. In a way, it’s a Superman vs Batman, albeit a much stronger version of Batman.
I think Goku might not be eliminated. Cause there was an image of Goku and frieza together
A1Star prob was before he gets eliminated
_ Cuhfs frieza shows up after goku was "eliminated" according to the spoiler, so if he was eliminated there is no way they could be fighting side by side
This was deep man. I remember when u first had this whole idea it hit u hard man, now u took a back seat put the pieces together and here is an awesome video man. I'm actually proud of u. U should have more subs. Keep it up man. U have done a fantastic job.
One of your best videos man!!
I wanna see goku and jiren defeat the evil doer that killedhis master and his family and jirens whole race while vegeta get some shine even doe im a goku fanboy i wanna see vegeta play the main role as a hero protecting the earth or planet salad while goku and jiren find the villain
Me: So, what about king kai?
Everyone else: who
Me: You know the-
Everyone else: cares.
Me: ...........
This video was so far the best Deeper look video i have ever seen on TH-cam...man u realy nailed it
Jesus, how accurate you are in this is insane. Every single thing you said about both jiren and goku is spot on, you are truely DB's go to guy on anything related. Awesome work bro, awesome.
Yea but goku trusting frieza, isn't the best move. If that guy gets his wish, then Jiren's philosophy would be correct as it relates to frieza.
That's where Vegeta comes to play
I don't think the term "Philosophical" is being used correctly.
Its not really two completely different philosophical systems, or that the characters are constantly reflecting over each other, or anything like that. Here, when we are talking about Goku and Jiren, we are presented to an existential basis of each character, a "Point of view" that each one has in life, according to their respectives experiences, with an apparent common goal, and the two when fighting are in some kind of "dialectical debate", hence the analogy of the collision, pressed by a somewhat survival dogma and rule that they cannot escape. They are not fighting each other by an own choice, they literally don't have a choice, if they dont wanna be erased from existence.
Very interesting video. Thank u for this!
One of my favorite videos you hit the nail on head when you did this one
What if jiren kills freeza in his battle against him?
The Blue Cap technically frieza is already dead man lol
Goku wins
If Frieza died again, his soul would be gone, therefore, he would NEVER come back.
super saiyan rose not necessarily, he just fell, wasn't eliminated
But he lost the actual fight, if he teamed up with Frieza.
Jiren to reveal his true power for the 30th time......
Congratz on 500k subs Geekdom101 !!!
Congrats on the 500k subscribers! Keep up the great work
Ep 130 going to crash lol
Moe Met i hope not lol
Joey Brown well ep 130 will be one of the best fights in db history
Moe Met Don't say it or you'll jinx it.
It’s dragon ball not Naruto. Dragon ball from what I remember has never really been that deep imo at least
Slim_kid34 Yes, but there is very subtle depth to the series. Geekdom has a series where he uncovers the themes in various arcs. Its a great watch.
ReeceHoward06 yah I’ve watched them. they actually had meaning
Yeah...Deep Naruto...
Great work as usual big dawg,
Congrats on 500k subscription. A great way to finish this series
One thing I would like it if after Super is over they would remake Dragon Ball GT with better animation. It had alot of potential but it was but to waste with the few amount of episodes they released. They could add more arcs and and extra episodes along with alot better animation. I dont care if you dont like GT its my opinion and you should respect that. If you like DbZ, Db, or Super O respect that. O and BTW good job if you have read everything if you did give this cooment and this video a 👍
Juan Perez
There's no need. As much as I don't like Gt, it had top notch animation.
Yeah they could enclude aom GT ideas but not copy the series
Assuming non-GT, I will use both characters maximum levels of power for this battle. Pre Crisis Superman vs SS3 Goku post Buu timeskip. I don't really need to explain how powerful Superman is, even mentioning that Superman was unable to beat Flash in a footrace.
So I will focus on Goku. I want to start out by saying, no one knows exactly how powerful SS3 Goku is, as power levels stop being officially tracked after the Frieza saga, where Goku is stated to have a PL of 150 million. If you want my opinion on how I think his power scales up till the end of GT, you need only look at my sig. I will not attempt to use my fanmade power levels in a matchup like this though.
First, I think it's important to define what a power level is. An ordinary human has a power level of 5. It takes 27 PSI to crack open a human skull. In the first episode of Dragonball, Goku has a power level of 10. In that episode he is hit by a car and shot in the head by Bulma. Even a shot from a 9mm gun is over 30,000 PSI. Goku did not even bleed from that shot. The difference of 5 to 10 is a LOT more than double. This trend continues when Master Roshi blows up the moon with a power level of 140. The moon is about an 83rd of the weight of the Earth in mass. That's over 150 sextillion pounds worth of mass destroyed in a single shot. That is less than Pre Crisis Superman has been shown to lift with 1 arm, when he lifted 4 septillion pounds. Even so, it's an important thing to note.
It appears power levels do not scale linearly. It seems that each power level is more significant than the previous. If this pattern continues indefinitely, it's possible Goku is stronger than, or at least as strong as Pre Crisis Superman as early as the first episode of Dragonball z with his power level of over 950. During his fight with Vegeta, Vegeta threatens to blow up the Earth with a power level of 18,000. Some think that is a bluff, I think that would be out of character with Vegeta's personality, but that's another debate entirely.
Anywho, with the way power levels increase in DBZ, by the end of the Frieza saga Goku was likely capable of mass destruction on a galactic scale. Which brings me to my next point. Some will call this next point non-canon in the extreme as this is a movie reference. If you wish to do that, that's your choice. I do believe the movies follow the same "rules" as the anime/manga though. There is actually one power level stated to be higher than SS Frieza saga Goku. According to V-Jump magazing, LSS Broly has a power level of 1.4 billion.
Broly destroys the entire South Galaxy in his movie. That's a rather misleading term though, and probably doesn't mean what you think it does. In real life, a galaxy is 50-100 billion planets. There are about 600 sextillion planets in the observable universe. The South Galaxy in DBZ is not a typical real life galaxy, it is one quarter of the universe. So assuming our universes are the same size, Broly destroyed about 150 sextillion planets in one blast. I believe it's been shown that at higher super saiyan forms, possibly as early as FPSS, Goku is stronger than Broly. As a super saiyan 3, Goku is certainly more powerful than Broly, and super saiyan 3s have been shown to be able to break the laws of reality. So it's likely that SS3 Goku could destroy the universe, maybe even reality itself.
Now to cover speed, this is a fun one. On foot Superman cannot reach lightspeed. The Flash was shown to be faster than Superman in a footrace, as mentioned above. If the Flash ever reaches lightspeed he joins with the speedforce, which he clearly didn't in that race. So he didn't need to even reach lightspeed to beat Superman. Superman appears to be able to fly faster than lightspeed though, as traversing our solar system in a few minutes would require a little more than lightspeed, since the distance from the Earth to the Sun is 7 light minutes.
How fast is Goku though? Well, there's only two good events that you can use to measure speed in DBZ. One is the kamehameha wave from Cooler's Revenge. In about 10 seconds, Goku's kamehameha wave reached from the Earth to the Sun, making it about 50 times faster than the speed of light. Therefore, anyone that can dodge SS1 Goku's kamehameha wave, or even see it, has to be at least 50 times faster than the speed of light. Why is seeing it important? In DBZ, there are many times that the characters move faster than other characters can see. So basically, any villain post SS1 that can keep up with Goku can move at least 50 times faster than lightspeed.
The other case is a little more extreme though. When Vegeta uses The Final Flash against Cell. It's clearly shown that his blast leaves our solar system and explodes on a far away planet/star. The closest planet to our solar system is 10.5 lightyears away. That's 31556926 light seconds. It got there in only 20 seconds, therefore The Final Flash moves at least 1577846.3 times faster than lightspeed. And that was just ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta. Keep in mind perfect Cell saw this attack coming, yet is unable to see SS2 Gohan's movements. And SS3 Goku is obviously far stronger and faster. I don't think Goku would even need to transform to beat Pre Crisis Superman. He could likely kill him with a single finger. To put another nail in the coffin though, let's talk about fighting skills.
Goku is a world champion martial artist that continuously trains to better himself. Many times he has fought evenly with beings of similar or greater power. There is a time when Pre Crisis Superman loses his powers. During this time he has a boxing match with Muhammad Ali. Superman loses without landing a single blow, due to his lack of fighting skill. He has been trained in martial arts by Batman, but he is no world class fighter. Superman is also not used to actually fighting an equal or more powerful opponent at faster than light speeds.
josh bentley83 your thinking to hard about this it's just a cartoon
josh bentley83 What the hell is the point of this comment? No offense though.
wut
josh bentley83 Wonder what Seth the Programmer and Chuck The Cybercuck would say about this
In the end it’s down to the writer, if marvel ever wrote a crossover they’d make superman win, if Akita wrote it then goku would win unless Akira let superman win, he’s a fan of he unexpected
Eyyyyyyy 500k congrats brother you completely deserve it.
Great video my man!
Childhood is when you Idolize GOKU,
Maturity is when you think Jiren makes more sense.
I think this video is a good example of over-analysing, there is no major philosophy of this fight if any it's that: "There is no limit to yourself"
But DBZ has been telling that story for days.
Shane Okakpu basically, the fight doesn’t tell us anything new that older fights have taught us.
Jiren’s character matters so little that any analysis that tries to explain something so barebones, it cant really excuse the fight as poor or bad
You truly don't understand ideologies then
Badass Goku They dont. Dragonball has always been subtle about the themes present. It's there, just not as in your face like modern manga/anime.
ReeceHoward06 it's too deep for occasional veiwers.
Jiren's ideologies are barely explored or even present in his character or story until he shit talked Toppo.
It doesn't even line up with prior set up with him talking with Goku about why they seek strength.
I disagree with you completely about Super. Jiren vs Goku is garbage.
I literally have no one in my life to talk about dbz/super to which is why I really enjoy these videos lol. Thanks Geekdom! Great vid!
Ok Geekdom 500k should've been on a million subscribers in my humble opinion well done. I love these kinds of content from you !🖒😆😉
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SSJ Goku Vs Freeza and Gohan Vs Cell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku vs Jiren
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Zeyon The Saiyan Goku vs Piccolo>>
Mr Popo tbfh
People need to rewatch dbz
Vegeta vs goku>
Zeyon The Saiyan well the fight hasn’t even out yet.
In order for a fight to have a deep meaning, the characters in it have to be and that's not the case. Jiren is the definition of one dimensional with having a shitty backstory behind him that's completely generic and then we got Goku who is....Goku. There's no deep meaning in this fight, just Goku fighting a buff grey alien in order to save his universe, that's not philosophical whatsoever...
sandmanofchaos If you break everything down to its raw elements and overly simplify everything, nothing is philosophical whatsoever.
Alien kid gets shipped to Earth as baby, raised by surrogate grandfather.
Learns martial arts and fights angry strong people with agendas. He has his own agenda and other friends like martial arts and power, they fight along side him.
In the end their agenda and skills win.
Okkkkkkkk overly simpflied boiled down DB, DBZ, DBS.
But if you have any understanding and grasp on the nuances, quirks, and meanings OF WHY these things happen, there lies the philosophy.
Because you seem to desperately need perspective and a proper schooling, I'll do that for you.
In reality DB, DBZ, and DBS is a shitty knock off of the Superman story and other stories.
Anime about buff people getting soooo powerful to destroy planets and universes.. Yet still punch and kick each other and have lengthy conversations? If that much power were held and attained punching and kicking wouldn't happen nor talking, just monolithic feats of destruction with their power.
Lastly, you're describing how a buff alien with his own agenda fighting Goku isn't philosophical..
Yet philosophy is WHY their fighting and WHAT for.
And in retrospect, you even further discredit yourself by commenting on YT and on a DBS vid, on what is and isn't philosophical. The fact you take yourself soo seriously and that YT comments, (on a channel almost all about anime) make you the voice of truth and reason.
The fact you're arguing over the philosophical values martial arts aliens have while fighting each other says everything.
You make it like ppl have to follow it like a fucking religion for it to have philosophical substance to it.
Anyone can gleen a lesson from anything, especially something as entertaining as DBS.
All you are is a fucking skeptic and critic with an overly self-important opinion and view your opinions as facts.
The worst thing you are is annoying and the best thing is you're entertaining because you take yourself soo serious its a joke.
Its anime and DBS, ppl aren't looking to use it as a life guide calm down.
hardcorebarbell did this dumbass really call the original dragon ball a copy of Superman?
Delusional and a fanboy lol
Hardcorebarbell, You might want to edit your comment a bit cause the original dragon ball didn't take any inspiration from superman or any other comics.
jiren backstory was amazing your tripling
G-Truth it wasn't amazing, it was kinda generic but I still like the character cause him being like he is now makes his backstory more accepting than it was before.
Congrats of getting 500,000 subs u deserve it i love watching your channel
Wow great video geekdom 👏👏