Why Did Noah Curse Canaan and Not Ham?
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- Why Did Noah Curse Canaan and Not Ham for Ham's sin if Ham was the one who did the wrong! In this video we discover two main views regarding why Noah decided/had to curse Canaan and not Ham. When we discuss these two main views one of them rises to the top and makes the most sense concerning all scriptures involved.
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How could Noah predict that Canaan would always be Ham's youngest son. He could not possibly know that Ham would stop having sons. Your theory is week.
@@TiesRequired I don't believe I ever said predict. Canaan only had to be the youngest at the time Noah said it for my theory to work.
Who said that Ham had sinned? Besides all of those who refuse to (SEE!) Noah's sins? Just like Noah's two sons, people are refusing to (SEE!) Noah's sins. Then people cover them up by insisting that it was Ham who sinned. Getting drunk according to the bible is a sin. Drunken nakedness is a shameful sin. Cursing a man is a sin. Punishing an innocent man is a sin. Creating the first slave or servant/master class by decree is..... you be the judge.
Did Lamech prophesy a Master and Slave class?
Genesis 5:29 NASB 1995
"Now he (Lamech) called his name Noah, saying, “This one will give us rest from our work and from the toil of our hands arising from the ground which the Lord has cursed.”
Is it possible that because God cursed the ground, Noah cursed Man by making himself a master and making men servants to himself and to other men? Is it possible that Noah violated gods requirement mentioned in Genesis 9:5 by requiring mans lifeblood to serve himself instead of God?
Genesis 9:5 NASB 1995
Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man’s brother I will require the life of man.
Is it for any reason that this incident, ( Gen 9:25 So he said,“Cursed be Canaan;. A servant of servants
He shall be to his brothers.”), is the first reference to any servant (slave in some translations)?
If you could only SEE Noah's sins, then it might be revealed that Ham was merely reporting his fathers moral downfall and Ham quite likely committed no sin in this incident.
Do you think it is without reason that the entire bible never speaks of Ham ever committing a sin?
If the bible wanted to show you a story where Ham was a sinner and Noah at this point in his life was still righteous, wouldn't it have at least mentioned Ham's sin and picked a story where Noah committed no sin?
Don't you think it is odd that the Bible tells no more stories of Noah doing anything righteous for the 350 years he lived after the Flood?
Don't you find it odd that the bible never speaks of any sin that Ham ever committed in his entire lifetime, before, during or after the incident? Not to say that Ham never sinned because it is said that all men have sinned, so why didn't the bible at least mention a few to support the idea that Ham was a sinner?
Could this be the first example of majority rule? One sees a sin and reports it and is punished by the sinner while two refuse to look upon the sin and even cover it up and are rewarded by the sinner?
Revelation 3:18
I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of YOUR NAKEDNESS will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may SEE.
@@bettinanstevens9259 wow great explanation on this. One thing I noticed about people who preach that Ham was evil and wicked and raped his mom is they turn a blind eye to Noah's drunkenness, also they dont understand the ramifications noahs sin had on his family and are always more forgiving towards his sinful actions.
Even James 3:10 points out that what Noah did was wrong and not a good thing by having blessings and curses coming out of the same mouth.
yet in their eyes Ham is always the bad guy. I often wondered why no notoriously wicked behavior of Ham was recorded before or after the flood but they expect us to believe he was a evil, wicked man who raped his mom by twisting words around and applying Leviticus laws to his actions.
That's all a bunch of lies
@@bettinanstevens9259 that makes since
My man, I think you got it! Your explanation is so far the only one I've heard - even apart from the big time theological experts - that really does seem to make the most sense. I never paid attention to those parts until you went over them again.
Interesting idea, especially if you look at it in the same context of Issac blessing Jacob, after being tricked, thinking he was blessing Esau, who he had wanted the blessing to go to. Despite the fact that Issac wanted to bless Esau, and despite the fact that it fell to Jacob through trickery and dishonesty, Issac still could not revoke the blessing, nor pass it to Esau after the fact. We see this again when Jacob is blessing Joseph's sons and accidentally gives the greater blessing to the younger rather than the older. When Joseph attempts to correct him, Jacob says he cannot.
Excellent video!
Your insights were good too.
Thank you.
He sold his birth right for food and then when there father died Jacob took every thing his father had even the people who served him, he gave Esau two choices do you want the land or the treasures Esau like most people took the money go back and read that bible better, because Jacob did not steal or take anything, and while they were yet in the womb Yahwey said that the older would serve the younger, it had nothing to do with theft it was Josephs God given right
Sarah Waters God signified who would serve who, not how this would come about.
Jacob clearly deceitfully got the blessing. He tricked his father. Esau sold his birthright because he ultimately despised it.
Bruv, allow the music in the background but I totally respect your explanation and to be honest it make the most sense out of everything ive heard and seen.
Smoe ellot thanks for your feedback.
Bible has so many things that leave us scratching our heads. We will see things clearly one day.
I don't understand what was wrong with what Ham did, if any of the other guys had went into the tent they would have saw their father right? Because Ham saw he did the right thing to tell his brothers so they can cover him right? Right?
Ham witnessed his son Canaan doing a perverse act on his grandfather Noah. Ham didn’t interfere or stop it; Rather he appears to have spread the story. Canaan got cursed and his father Ham suffered as a result of the shame brought upon his offspring.
I'm still confused as to what exactly Ham did to Noah in order for Noah to curse one of his sons. Simply seeing Noah naked is worthy of a curse?
I think it has to do with honor.
"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of kings to search it out." Good work to a brother with a Berean spirit.
Thank you.
@@InThyWord God said be fruitful and multiply , Noah did not have any more kids, did Ham castrated him for disobedient god and being a drunk and not procreate?
@@ddcc66 I do not believe he castrated him no.
How did we come to the conclusion that Ham had relations with his mother?
Leviticus 20:11 "the man who lies with his father's wife uncovers his father's nakedness"
There is no context in genesis, nor the chapter, nor the instance/paragraph to support this. Noah got drunk and passed out naked. The other 2 brothers covered him up. Ham did something inappropriate but it doesn't say much about it . Why would he lie with his mother?
@@noahjones5600 I agree.
Basically what people do is apply laws from Leviticus to Hams actions by twisting the words Saw & Nakedness to make it look like Ham did something evil, when all he did was accidentally see his drunk alcoholic dad naked. Then possibly mocked him afterwards,
Thats it.
@@noahjones5600 Ham witnessed his son doing a perverse act with his grandfather Noah. He didn’t interfere or correct his son; He just told the story to everyone. He had to suffer the shame of what his son did!
I think a better answer is we don’t know why he cursed Canaan and leave it at that.
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"Noah couldn't curse Ham because God already blessed Ham so Noah decided to curse Carnaan"... "Noah cursed an INNOCENT grandchild of his OVER SOMETHING HE DIDN'T EVEN DO." So carnaan was not a bad guy then. It was Noah's curse that made him and his generation after him bad? What a drama! Anyway, I'm glad that carnaanites were not Africans and the land of Carnaan is clearly in the middle east. So the curse has nothing to do with black Africans. Please leave black people out of this drama. The name Ham does not even mean black or tarn. The name Ham simply mean multitude, many and by extension- multiracial. The name is from the root word Hamon meaning many or multitude as in AbraHAM. Black people didn't even descend from one family line; among the Shemites, they had black people. Among the Hamites, they had blacks. Among the Japhetites, they had blacks. Noah himself was a black man but His wife was of light skin. Adam was black (his skin was from the soil) but his wife Eve was of light skin (made from bone). God's divine order was originally interracial. Shimon or Simeon in Acts 13 was a black Jew. He was not an African though he was black. He was a Jew. Africans 2000 years ago didn't bear such names. He has the same name with Peter (Simon). Simeon was well received in the early church because he was a jew who converted to Christianity. He was not a gentile convert. Does that tell you something? So many Jews were of dark skin over 2000 years ago. Africans didn't descend from one Family line. But in the process, because of racial persecution, they journeyed toward Western Africa and Central Africa. The region was too hot hence most white people avoided it. No one wanted that region because it was too hot. Blacks felt safe in Africa because it was isolated. Most Black people decided to go dwell there away from others because of racial segregation. Black people are not one people. Until this day, they have various cultures and various languages and hardly agree. The cultural diversity and language diversity should tell any intelligent person that not all black people descended from Ham. Ever before Ham was born, black people existed. Noah was a black man. Nimrod was not black. Babylonians and Assyrians are not Africans. Get your history right and stop your insults on black people. We are not cursed! We are not Carnaanites either.
In what video did I teach blacks are cursed?
@@InThyWord I don't think the comment was directed at you bro, it's an open comment to those who've cursed and oppressed BROWN FOLK!!!! The commenter, like MOST BROWN FOLK, is TIRED OF THE LIES!!! STRENGTH unto those who feel weary, in the name of YESHUA!!!!!!!
@@himoragenma6416 thanks for the feedback
Noah should've curse his own self for getting 🥴 drunk . Idk
Vanessa Hernandez, Noah's sin was definitely a BIG problem. thanks for leaving the comment 🤝
Vanessa Hernandez thats exactly what I was thinking.
Probably wouldn't have happened if Noah didn't have a drinking problem.
lol
You can't dictate other's actions just react to them. His son's action was reprensable. If you want to see someone's true heart show them your weaknesses and they'll take advantage of it.
Preach Sis
You explanation makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
Very practical without adding or taking away from the word! Love it!
Glad it was helpful!
Didn't you notice that he missed a very relevant half of verse 23 out.
@@alanmillington6515 If you think I missed something out, you did not watch the video clearly. I covered everything and have covered many points over my set of videos Watch my set of videos on the matter. The first video especially.
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The bible clearly explain that story, read Levi 18: 7 & 8 then you'll all know what Gen 9 was referring to
Comment below...Why did Noah curse Canaan and not Ham. This is my view based on scripture.
The wife is covered by husband thus his nakedness is hers
All of that was fulfilled when Joshua and the Hebrew Israelites conquered the inhabitants of canaan, namely the seven sons of canaan,or the seven nations that inhabited south and north you sound good,you almost doe🤣🤣🤣
In Leviticus it says “the nakedness of thy father’s wife shalt thou not uncover: it IS his nakedness” and it is said multiple times that seeing nakedness and uncover is interchangeable terms in the Bible, so I do believe Canaan is incest offspring. The start of Noah was angels having babies with women of earth which is not what God wanted and ends with Canaan cuz incest is not what God wanted either it is stated multiple times. Atleast that’s how I perceive it.
@@cam1k578 that is a view, but I believe my view is more scripturally backed.
The music is quite distracting. THANKS
melinda young appreciate feedback. Thanks.
Was it ever!
Leviticus 18:7-16 holds the key.
Ham had relations with his mother and the resulting child was cursed as a result.
This answers all of the problems. By the way verse 21 is mis-translated in all English versions.
Great explanation, but isn't Canaan the innocent party in this? Secondly , why would Noah's curse be honoured by God when he had gotten himself drunk in the first place. Can you imagine how you would feel paying the price for someone else's transgression? The tension and discourse that would create in your relationship with your grandfather! By Noah getting drunk and being disrespected by Ham and then cursing Canaan, he inadvertently created a future enemy of Gods chosen people in the promised land. Just my opinion. Would welcome your views, as this whole issue grieves me, as the ' curse of Ham' has been used as an excuse to enslave Black Africans and justify the racist view that our skin colour (black) is some kind of curse by God and not an genetic adaptation to ones environment in a fallen world.
Firstly. Have you ever done something, with negative ramifications on somebody else?
You're paying for someone's transgressions RIGHT NOW, ADAM'S!!!! He lived for a day, by ELOHIM standards, by the same YOU only live for seconds!!! How does that feel, not to good to me, but HIS WILL BE DONE!!!
Ham’s son Canaan saw his drunk grandfather Noah and was guilty of some perverse sexual act. Ham witnessed this and didn’t interfere or stop it; He just spread the story around. Canaan was cursed and his father Ham now suffered as a result of the shame brought upon his offspring.
Canaan, the cursed one were NOT of the black race! The black race descended from Cush and possibly Put; Other sons of Ham who weren’t involved in the incident or the curse.
What's the background music?
I believe Canaan does something to Noah not Ham. The word translated to youngest son in Hebrew has ben for son which can also mean grandson or descendant and it's referring to Canaan imo. Ham sees what happens. He's not the one sinning and Noah doesn't include Ham in his blessing because that would include his sons and reverse the curse on Canaan.
Music is in description.
Thanks.
Thank you so much, the second reason made so much sense. Because you can not curse what God has blessed 🙏 , which is why it then makes sense for Canaan to be cursed 🙏 . Not fair but it makes so much sense. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us
God be glorified 🙂. I am glad to be of service.
What sin was committed against Noah that Noah would curse Canaan and his curse would stick?! What was the curse?!
Ditch the music bro
Thank you for sharing your feedback!
Most definitely 👍 that music needs to be lowered or off
@@pinkbunny564 appreciate your honest feedback.
Thank you for the work you're putting in and time to share your thoughts. But I do agree, the music is a distraction. Thank you sir..
@@jeffpatrick9800 thank you for your honest feedback. I really appreciate it. 🤝
So my question is …. I thought man did not have any authority to curse anyone but God. So how did Noah have that authority?
Perhaps Ham's first three sons were already born before Ham "did" it to his father.
so God gave a blessing to the one who commit such sin ?
but did God accept the curse of noah to canaan ?
if yes then how could this be fair ?
Sins of the father fall to the son and such!!!!
You have conveniently missed out verse 23 which tells us that that "Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it on both their shoulders, and then went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father." Whose shoulders? Who were both of them? If Noah awoke and found himself covered why would he think that Ham had seen his nakedness? If he saw Ham in bed with one of his wives then he would know what Ham had done to him. Leviticus 20 verse 11 uses the metaphor "uncovered his father's nakedness" in reference to a son copulating with one of father's wives.
Your assertion that because Noah couldn't curse Ham because he was blessed by God so he had to curse Canaan is a possibility in a culture that punished the son for the sin of the father ( 2 Samuel 11 v 4 ) but of the four sons why choose the youngest? A good reason would be if he was the bastard son ( Deuteronemy 23 verse 2 ) that made Noah a cuckold.
Your analysis of this chapter is not very thorough and you appear to be an apologist for Noah's curse and God's poor choice in making a covenant with such a disfunctional and completely immoral family. God help Christianity if you are the best it can come up with.
I did not miss anything out - Watch my set of videos on the matter. The first video especially.
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Your view is interesting. But there is no evidence of any OTHER wife of Noah in the story. Also I have a problem with being uncovered necessarily indicating physical sex even with Leviticus. David danced and Michal despised him for uncovering himself before the maids of his servants (2 Sam. 6:14-22). No raping of David took place there. When Noah awoke he saw what his "younger" or "youngest" son had done? English translations differ. And I don't know what is necessarily wrong with being an apologist against a less likely interpretation. What is he doing that you are not? The only one who is "blessed" in verses 25-28 is God - "Blessed be Yahweh to God of Shem ..." (Gen. 9:26). Thanks for your contribution though.
@Z asap do you have any idols?
Why would anyone curse their descendants who had nothing to do with their ancestors behaviors?!
But one thing ham wasn't the youngest
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He cursed the son because In Gen 9:1 God blessed Noah and his sons. You cannot curse what God has blessed. So Noah upon learning that Ham had seen his nakedness (Leviticus 18:8 the nakedness of thy fathers wife should not be uncovered: IT IS THY FATHERS NAKEDNESS”) it makes perfect sense when you look at scripture with scripture. It also makes sense why the other two brothers “SAW NOT THEIR FATHERS NAKEDNESS” (Gen 9:23) “their faces were backwards” “and they went in backwards and covered thy fathers nakedness” Noah’s wife. Their mother. After the act while Noah was asleep In a drunken state, they covered their mother. They didn’t partake in the sexual act with their mother. A sexual act that most likely got his mother pregnant and gave birth to his 4th son Canaan. Cannan meaning a burden. The sexual act was a burden to Noah and his Wife. Because Ham saw the nakedness of his father. Nakedness that is Noah’s wife, Hams mother
Ham is not the young son,Japheth is . It is always Shem Ham and Japheth.
Why does The Bible teach Ham was the "YOUNGER" son? Hagos Habte
All Noah's grand sons are his sons too.and canaan was the youngest of them all.apparently canaan did something that is not clear that's why he was cursed.Ham did nothing to deserve to be cursed,but did enough not to be blessed like his brothers.
I don't see anywhere the bible saying ham was the youngest, it is always Shem Ham and Japheth or vice-versa .
Taking Moses writing literally without the use of euthanizing. Realize that when God blessed them saying be fruitful and multiply, that opens the door for Noah and his son's to do just that as being a higher importance than marriage at the time. It is my belief that Cannan should not have been cursed. No sin committed due to God's blessing and Commandment.
Ok let's just be clear ppl. Sometimes you have to the bible as 3D not 2d. What I mean u have read the bible fwd back around and back all over again to understand it. It's not like reading a book. So what it means if u read in the kj version to "uncover fathers nakedness" as a Hebrew context but it says he SAW his nakedness. Not uncovered. Read leviticus 18:7. If u uncover your father's nakedness that means you had sexual relations with your mother.
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Yeah for some scripture can be as non-linear as a Tarantino movie!!! I think the problem here is a spiritual one!!!!
In Leviticus it says “the nakedness of thy father’s wife shalt thou not uncover: it IS his nakedness” and it is said multiple times that seeing nakedness and uncover is interchangeable terms in the Bible, so I do believe Canaan is incest offspring. The start of Noah was angels having babies with women of earth which is not what God wanted and ends with Canaan cuz incest is not what God wanted either it is stated multiple times. Atleast that’s how I perceive it.
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I still feel that Canaan is innocent victim and find it unjust for him to be punished for his father's sin.
Do you agree sometimes your actions cause others to suffer?
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I have listened to so many commentaries on this issue but this does it for me. Reminds me of Numbers 23:7,20 and I paraphrase ; you can't curse that which God has blessed . Thanks brother
Well explained sir
Huh.. a lot of holes in your explanation, the Bible always states birth in the chronological order Cain and Able, Adam and Eve, Jacob and Esau because he sold his birth right to his younger brother (Jacob) so Ham is the middle son as stated...2. There's no way seeing his father who happens to be drunk naked and asleep know Ham saw him naked and laughed at him,then someone told him... which it's not stated in the Bible. I can go on on on! pointing out the errors in your explanation... something happened the Authors made it a metaphor for some strange reason through translation.. Hard to figure out what Ham did for his father to curse his son Canaan who happens to be the father of the Canaanites a Great city but evil and wicked people same place that is being promised to Isreal... so the curse of Noah didn't really work to some extent but can clearly be seen that the Canaan built a great city ... like Ham's other son Cush ...another great city in the Bible but yet again wicked and evil people... so there's something strange about this kid Canaan.His generations where mighty people who built great cities but where evil, wicked and had sexual perversion behavior.... Canaan's curse is a mystery!
Thanks for this piece of education, but there's something not settling well with with my soul. I'm not satisfied with all the available explanations- you know the truth gives the joy of satiety!
Your first example is correct, please read below. The phrase "Uncover your father's nakedness" is an idiom, meaning to sleep with your mother.
Consider these passages in Leviticus, also written by Moses.
“You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness” (Leviticus 18:7-8).
“If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death” (Leviticus 20:11).
Notice the usage of, “Uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother.” Moses uses the idiom, then he explains it right away so the meaning is not lost.
In both cases Moses was using an idiom to basically say, “Don’t have sex with your mother,” or “Don’t have sex with your father’s wife.” Being that the passages in Genesis and Leviticus were written by the same author (Moses), it may be said that in Genesis 9 Moses was using this idiom to say that Ham had a sexual encounter with his mother (or Noah’s wife, assuming that the woman in question was not Ham’s natural mother)
1st Century Atheist thanks. Why does Moses have to use idioms?
Good question. I don't know, but the expression to "Uncover your Father's Nakedness" would have been understood by the readers then, that Ham had sexual relations with his mother, (as stated in Leviticus 18 and 20) which would explain why Cannan was cursed. I have only just realised this myself after reading Michael Heiser. It also gives clarity and clearly contradicts the Church's justification for the enslavement of men, women and children from Africa and exposes the foundational lie white supremacists build their arguments on.
I'll send you the link for the essay I read.
Great channel by the way. God bless your work.
1st Century Atheist I did consider Leviticus in my belief. I feel overall, the scriptures do not agree with that view though.
What does 1st Century Atheist mean btw? That sounds interesting 😁.
Never mind 🤦♂️. I realised what you were referencing (slow moment). I guess this could be classified as my 1st apology.
Christians in the 1st Century were called atheists by the Romans as they refused to worship their Gods.
1st century atheist is my cryptic way of engaging with atheist s though I seem to be asked about it mostly by Christians.
Ham is not the youngest son of Noah.
Thanks for the Comment Benjamin, I do not agree.
Biblically in a marriage the two flesh becomes one... So noah wife's flesh is an extension of him... They are one flesh.....
So how does this now mean it was Noah’s wife involved and not Noah?
@@InThyWord yes I believe it was his mother he had sex with and The details have been lost to translation.... Please note the beginning of my statement... I believe... Meaning if you have evidence, scripture or anything I might have missed. Please let me know.
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Why would you hold true, something NEVER STATED???? I think the discussion about this is MINISCULE, in comparison to WHAT IS THE CHRIST'S NAME!!! If you don't know it, WHO'VE YOU BEEN PRAYING TO???? No one wants to hear "I NEVER KNEW THEE" from their ELOHIM, find out THAT instead of mulling over Ham!!!
Noah’s youngest son was Japhet, NOT Ham!
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Your reasoning is not correct. Ham, Mother and Incest = Despite that CANAAN is listed later on as Hams fourth son; in reality Canaan was a shame, and carried the curse of the scriptures that I am sharing later, and Canaan was the First Baby born after the flood through his mother and her son Ham. Noah was stressing that this son Canaan that my wife is pregnate with is not my son; but this son Canaan is my sons son born from my wife. He was very upset, and he constantly repeated, and stressed that Canaan was Hams son, and not his son. Ham woke up in confusion, and shame with a hangover because having sex with your mother is seeing your fathers nakedness. Ham went, and told his brothers Shem, and Japheth what had happened about him not going back with his wife to their tent, and stayed up to long talking over the horrible past one hundred years, the building of the Ark, the deaths, the suffering, the flood, and the Destruction on the land, the feast while getting drunker, and drunker. Shem, and his wife went back to their tent.; JAPHETH, and his wife went back to their tent, Hams own wife went back to her tent alone. Noah went back to his tent drunk, and passed out, as all of them were drunk from fermented grapes that were more potent because of the season summer, and spring being new to the new climate. Please stop teaching a false understanding of this account. A simple, accidental sexual experience from getting drunk is what happened that became very complex.. LEVITICUS 18; 8, LEVITICUS 20; 21, and DEUTORONOMY 27; 20. Everyone of the family members got drunk. All of the family members were feasting, and drinking the alcohol that Noah had made, because this was the first feast after the flood. The land up until this time had been damaged, and Noah became a farmer (Husbandman).I see the pronouns He. All this means is that Noah is represented as the patriarch of the family. He means the whole family. Also, the curse comes from the fact that since CANAAN is born of HAMS mother; indeed CANAAN is brother to Ham, Shem, and Japheth, plus he is Hams Son also. This makes the most sense. Alot more to say, but not enough time to explain. One more point though. So, Shem, and Japheth was covering up the nakedness of the femininity of their mother who was still exposed naked, and sleeping off her drunkeness laying nude in the main feast tent where the sexual evet took place. Noah, Ham, Shem, and Japheth have in common sense as father, and sons have seen each other naked while bathing, and cleaning in the lake, or river while building the Ark in the last HUNDRED YEARS. No shame with men seeing each other. Definitely a shame of them seeing the feminine bodies of the women who were not their wife's. Thank You. Jesus is Lord!!!
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And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
His brethren would be his brothers that would be Cush, Put, Mizraim? Did Noah take away land rites?
And a servant back then wasn't a slave and didn't it just mean him and not his offsprings?
@@ddcc66 brethren can mean family, or extended family too. It could be just him, or also some descendants. It DID NOT mean they were cursed and could not be saved though....
Linguistically how do we know verse 24 should read "younger son" and not "youngest son" ? As far as I can tell the Hebrew could
be either "younger" or "youngest." I do not read Hebrew. And how do you know Ham was the youngest among Shem, Ham and
Japheth.(Gen. 9:18). He is mentioned 2nd. These are questions not arguments. And thankyou for pointing out Gen. 9:1. Noah AND HIS SONS were blessed.
Jacques Wilmore good questions. Although I think he is the youngest, I based my teaching on younger largely because the translation I use, uses that word. If the Hebrew presents that option, I will be even more confident in my view.
I base my view on Ham being youngest based on the whole narrative of the sons on the topic through Genesis. I have been thinking about doing that video for months. And now I will do it soon, God willing.
Ps, no problem with arguments, they will help me find truth if I am in error, or strengthen my truth I already have 🤝.
Thank you for your question @Jacques Wilmore , I have now published a video discussing why I believe Ham was Noah's youngest son: th-cam.com/video/4xk1R4wyZRg/w-d-xo.html
The ironic thing about this story to me, is that the more I try to figure out what Ham or Canaan DID, the more I feel like I am repeating the error of wanting to gaze at someone's shame. Perhaps the story is obscure to test the reader on the very matter shined upon - gazing at someone's failure.
The argument for Ham sleeping with his mom is based on the below scripture.
Lev 18:8 KJV The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
But in Leviticus it’s says to see your fathers nakedness is to see your mothers nakedness, I think ham wanted to overthrow his father and slept with his mother therefore Canaan was cursed as he was hams offspring, the text is very confusing though
Ok. I do not agree with that view.
Correct, to see one IS to see the other, because they're ONE FLESH!!!! It confuses slightly, because it doesn't seem like a BIG DEAL to people of this age, but to YAHWEH IT'S ALWAYS A BIG DEAL!!!
@@himoragenma6416 but in Genesis 9:21 it says he drank of the wine and became uncovered in his tent.
Why doesn't the text say they if it meant two people, or at least be a bit more specific about it? Cause from what I'm reading it just means Noah and not his wife.
@@CushiteChristian CORRECT, I think what the other commenter brought forward is correct too!!!! If you know scripture, then you know the 2 become 1, what's KNOWN doesn't NEED to be said!!! Do you think he wanted his mother or father, for sexual purposes???? Let's consult an interlinear and translate it OURSELVES!!!!!!!
@@himoragenma6416 ???
Bravo, i respectfully say you got half of it right. Noah couldn't curse Ham because he was Blessed by God. T other parts to the story are found in the Book of Jasher. When Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden, God made "coats of skin.....Gen 3:21" which were passed down until they got to Noah....Ham stole the coat off of Noah and gave it to Canaan....who passed it to Nimrod...where he got his power.
Do you accept "the book of Jasher" that you quote from as scripture @Adrian Maiden?
@@InThyWord Do you NOT accept it???? Most say the scriptures have 66 books, just like Phillips, I ball up that notion then shoot it, like Chauncey Billups!!! Scripture should be divided RIGHTEOUSLY, there should be WHOLE BOOKS not divided ones!!!! 7x7=49 that's divine, 6 is the number of MAN!!! And you need two or more to witness to something, so 66 is a witness to MANS TAMPERING WITH THE DIVISION!!!! Hidden in plain sight, not unlike the blessing of Ham!!! You should use a discerning eye on EVERYTHING, even apocrypha, legends, and myths!!!! ALL contain history in one way or another, so be WISE as serpents and such!!!
@@himoragenma6416 I accept it as an authentic historical doc not necessarily scripture.
Great explanation!!! 👍
Thank you @John Peters
Ham was blessed because according to the previous chapter, God blessed Noah and his sons. No one can curse who God blessed. Noah had no authority to curse Ham. The bible teaches that God does not curse the son for the sins of the father and the loving, forgiving heart of our heavenly father is revealed when he taught you should bless not curse. The bible teaches that cursed is the man who moves his neighbor's boundary stone, which means cursed is the man who takes land that is not his. Canaan would end up taking land that was not his. Land that was given to the Israelites. Noah was a prophet. In his anger, he revealed to Ham that Canaan would be cursed [for taking the Israelites land and agreed with the curse]. Read the full story in the book of Enoch which is what this section of Genesis is based on. One thousand years after taking Israel, the Canaanites were pushed out of the land by the Israelites. Their forefathers, Shem, Ham and Japheth had sworn an oath to God not to take each other's land or fall under a curse. The Canaanite survivors were eventually absorbed into different cultures. Hannibal of Carthage was the last Canaanite ruler. The Phoenicians who developed the alphabet (22 letters, Greeks added 4) were Canaanites. Canaanites under Hannibal's rule were destroyed by the Romans (Hannibal committed suicide because he thought it shameful to be killed by the Romans). I believe it's the University of Chicago who has done a great study about the Canaanites through recent archeological finds. They were a mighty people, but all were eventually wiped out or absorbed into different cultures. The story is detailed in the Book of Enoch which was quoted in the book of Jude (the book before Revelation). Many books of the bible and sections of the bible have been removed throughout the years to support things it spoke up against like slavery and stealing land. Madai, descendant of also Japheth took land that was not his, although he asked. But to this day some of the land conflict in the Middle East involves the descendants of Madai - many struggle to own land in Middle Eastern Regions - the same curse. This also speaks against Colonialism, which is also why it is purposely misinterpreted with books and sections removed. I suggest studying the authenticity of the Apocrytha as it was originally included in the bible and removed after emperor Constantine was given authority over the church. Emperor Constantine was Pontifus Maximus, which also made him high priest of the Pagan church. He denied the deity of Christ and eventually superimposed his face on the cross of Christ. According to historians, he wanted Christians to worship him, but they would rather die. So, he provided them with tax breaks and power to support him and told them he fought under the cross. But again, he continued to worship pagan gods and denied Christ was God. Recent studies by Greek and American university professors revealed that the Arc of Constantine only honored the pagan gods that he worshipped. This arc was completed after he was professed to fight under the cross and conversion to Christianity. There is so much more to this if you study history and include the missing books of the bible which were originally included in the King James Version and understood to be authentic by early Christians. Some of these books were also quoted by some of the Apostles.
Sorry, I believe the professors who studied Constantine's Arc were American and Turkish. Needless to say, this needs to be looked at from the original story and studied in the context of history. God is not the author of confusion. The teaching of Ham's sin is absolutely not in the bible and was made up. We do not need to make assumptions or guess. The full story is very clear. But people are afraid of reading the Apocrytha because it has been said to be heresy. This is very convenient if you want to hide truth. Not to mention, this story was also used when European Slave Abolitionists were fighting against the transatlantic slave trade. It was used to justify the slave trade and combat the European abolitionists. Slave traders knew that Canaanites had no connection to sub-Saharan Africans who were being traded. See Revelation 18:13-24 for the Heavenly father's sentiments and judgement of nations who bought everything including slaves.
The Bible gives you the context in Leviticus 18:7-18. A father’s nakedness is his wife which aligns to theory 1. Many assumptions are being made to get to theory 2. The Bible does not confirm Ham as the youngest. However the culture supports taking a father’s wife or concubine as an action to usurp as Absalom with King David in 2 Samual 16:22. Ham could have also be trying to usurp Noah. The text also reference the father’s nakedness when stating how Shem and Japheth covered not just their father but their fathers nakedness.
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it doesn't add up bro. Ham was the middle son of Noah and not the last born and neither the youngest of the trio. Ham dad 4 sons and canaan was the last born, the youngest and not the younger son. so judging from superlative adjective, he could have laid the curse on Ham's second or third son but instead he went straight to the last born. His position and that of his father's aren't same. So i still think, maybe Ham might have gone beyond only seeing his father's nakedness and might have laid with someone in that process. Leviticus 18 says the following and did mentioned the cananites of whom we believe are from the son of Ham : " 18 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not walk in their statutes. 4 You shall follow my rules[a] and keep my statutes and walk in them. I am the Lord your God. 5 You shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules; if a person does them, he shall live by them: I am the Lord." then after these words in verses 6, He gave them the laws which says sleeping with someone is same as seeing their nakedness. I don't mean to say this is actually what harm did but we should also consider viewing it like this too. The Lord told them not to behave like the Cananites and all of sudden realeases a bunch of laws on "incest"? come on, give it a thought again.
The background music is distracting and not needed IMO
Nice vid but the background music is very distracting
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Excellent explanation!
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The original text of Torah Noah has 4 Sons, Canaan, Ham, Shem and Japhet. Canaan was cursed because of what he did to his father Noah. When Canaan calls his brother Ham came and laughed but the curse was directly to Canaan. It was testified and cleared by scholars said of changes was true because of sensitive situation and other reason ( I forgot the name the Rabbi ) So clearly Noah cursed Canaan not like in bible text Canaan father is Ham and the wrong doing of Ham pass the curse to Canaan. Same as Qur an Noah has 4 Sons Kan'an or Yam was disbeliever and died in the flood.
The Question is now was Kena'an born when Noach cursed his younger grandson?
Hello Good sir. I have a question. I have heard that in old Hebrew texts that younger son actually means grandson and that the part where it says "knew what his younger son had done to him"
He is actually referring to Canaan and not Ham and that's why Canaan was cursed? but what's your take on this?
It's possible, though it seems strange it wouldn't just say what Canaan did.
@@omnitrix1279 yeah I think Noah was embarrassed by his sinful actions of being a drunk and responded out of anger.
@@CushiteChristian I think we can rule that out, inasmuch as the curse seems to have stuck in at least some sense (look at the later conflicts between the Israelites and the Canaanites).
@@omnitrix1279 yeah I can see that.
@@CushiteChristian Besides, taken in context the curse appears as a prophecy, and the Bible clearly says those don't come of human will or invention.
How did Noah curse anyone? He was just a human, right?
Grace peace and blessings be upon you great video..mim still holding on to scriptures though Leviticus 18:7 peace AHCH thank u for the video
The sound is horrible and then u have music in the background. Not helpful
Thank you for your feedback L A. 👍. Much appreciated.
Can't see the writing on the board!!
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Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
* As written in the Scriptures, when the Patriarch (Abraham, Isaac, Joseph…) of the family senses he is NEAR DEATH, he calls upon his sons to his bedside to receive their blessing/s, curse/s that is/are bestowed upon their lineage, as well as, any future prophesies…
Case in point: Genesis 9:25 And he said, CURSED BE CANAAN; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 9:26 And he said, BLESSED BE THE LORD GOD OF SHEM; and Canaan SHALL BE HIS SERVANT. 9:27 God shall ENLARGE JAPHETH, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan SHALL BE HIS SERVANT. 9:28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 9:29 AND ALL THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS: AND HE DIED.
We have to take in consideration that within three hundred and fifty years of Noah’ life after the flood, they had to be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth (Genesis 9:1). NOAH ALSO TAUGHT HIS GRANDSONS THE ORDINANCES AND COMMANDMENTS THAT WERE PASSED DOWN BY HIS FOREFATHERS to put God first, obey thy parents, the Dietary Laws, respect thy neighbor… However, as the families grew they strayed away from keeping the commandments.
^^The Book of Jubilees- 7:20 And in the twenty-eighth jubilee [1324-1372 A.M], Noah began to enjoin upon his sons' sons the ORDINANCES AND COMMANDMENTS, and all the judgments that he knew, and he exhorted his sons to observe righteousness, AND TO COVER THE SHAME OF THEIR FLESH, and to bless their Creator, and honour father and mother, and love their neighbour, and guard their souls from fornication and uncleanness and all iniquity.
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
The Book of Jubilees
[Chapter 7] Noah plants a vineyard and offers a sacrifice,
1. And in the seventh week in the first year [1317 A.M.] thereof, in this jubilee, Noah planted vines on the mountain on which the ark had rested, named Lubar, one of the Ararat Mountains, and they produced fruit in the fourth year, [1320 A.M.] and he guarded their fruit, and gathered it in this year in the seventh month.
2. And he made wine therefrom and put it into a vessel, and kept it until the fifth year, [1321 A.M.] until the first day, on the new moon of the first month.
3. And he celebrated with joy the day of this feast, and he made a burnt sacrifice unto the Lord, one young ox and one ram, and seven sheep, each a year old, and a kid of the goats, that he might make atonement thereby for himself and his sons.
4. And he prepared the kid first, and placed some of its blood on the flesh that was on the altar which he had made, and all the fat he laid on the altar where he made the burnt sacrifice, and the ox and the ram and the sheep, and he laid all their flesh upon the altar.
5. And he placed all their offerings mingled with oil upon it, and afterwards he sprinkled wine on the fire which he had previously made on the altar, and he placed incense on the altar and caused a sweet savour to ascend acceptable before the Lord his God.
Noah becomes drunk and exposes his person,
6. And he rejoiced and drank of this wine, he and his children with joy.
7. And it was evening, and he went into his tent, and being drunken he lay down and slept, and was uncovered in his tent as he slept.
8. And Ham saw Noah his father naked, and went forth and told his two brethren without.
9. And Shem took his garment and arose, he and Japheth, and they placed the garment on their shoulders and went backward and covered the shame of their father, and their faces were backward.
The cursing of Canaan and blessing of Shem and Japeth, (cf. Gen. ix.20-8).
10. And Noah awoke from his sleep and knew all that his younger son had done unto him, and he cursed his son and said: 'Cursed be Canaan; an enslaved servant shall he be unto his brethren.'
11. And he blessed Shem, and said: 'Blessed be the Lord God of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant.
12. God shall enlarge Japheth, and God shall dwell in the dwelling of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant.”
Noah's sons and grandsons and their cities
[Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, VISITING THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION of them that hate me;]
13. And Ham knew that his father had cursed his younger son, and he was displeased that he had cursed his son. and he parted from his father, he and his sons with him, Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan.
14. And he built for himself a city and called its name after the name of his wife Ne'elatama'uk.
Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Why should anyone accept the book of jubilees?
cut that music off inthe background you can't concentrate on the lesson turn off that HEATHEN. it's a distraction.
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shalt you diminish ought from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord, your God which I command you.
KJV. DEUTERONOMY 4:2.
WHY DWELL ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO US?
LET'S GO TO LEVITICUS 18 AND LEARN WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT DO. Words of God Almighty to His children Israel.
Let the other people say, and believe what they want, but don't let us get tied up with their practices.
We're born IN it, we don't have to be OF it!!!! I've been around dealers and killers, NEVER DID EITHER!!!
This is great! This gives some clarification, but tbh idk if canaan was his youngest son. If you notice, at many points geneology strays from giving sons in order and gives them in importance order. Maybe canaan was the youngest but i dont see anything that implies that. If you have a remedy for this or a better explanation of how the geneologies are ordered i'd be grateful if you'd respond.
Thanks,god bless.
Also the question to ask is where was Noah wife at a point in time when all this happened if it was such a small place meaning it’s only In a tent, Not to say they were in a big 10 bedroom house where they could not know what’s happening within the community of circumstance.
Why only Noah was In the tent by himself ?
Are you implying a husband is never in his bedroom by himself or in a home by himself
(If this was the case)?
problem is, ham was the 2nd born,,not the last one
WHAT WICKEDNESS DID HAM DO? STILL A MYSTERY TO ME..
Ham never had sex with his mother or step mother. Noah had gotten drunk and having sex with animals.
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@@lizawake614 you get drunk pretty much do stupid stuff. Naamah is Noah's wife which means agreeable. If he had cursed his grandson than Ham must have seen something so disturbing that would cursed generations. Having relations with animals or something vial of that nature. the step mother or mother doesnt really make sense because in biology we all descend from the common ancestor and some where down the line there would be incest in one generation or the other. Kinda doubt the sex with the mother part.
Shem is the youngest...the genealogy in gen chap 10 gives the run down of the order of birth...ham is middle child Shem is last Japheth is first born...why is Shem mentioned first in gen 10:2 cause out of eber shems son became the Hebrews so it was a significant event but when you read further it gives you the birth order. Japheth the oldest ham NOT YOUNGEST but younger ham is the middle child.then Shem the father of the Hebrews.shalom
@Michael Heiser- Revelations (John's use of the Old Testement ) Chapters 1-3.
Without the Spirit of God one will be deceive oneself or be deceived. By the Spirit of God are we lead into all truths.
God bless you on your journey!!!
It's interesting that the word naked appears at Genises announced by Adam and Eve....God then says who told you were naked? This makes me question what state of mind were Adam and Eve in before they sinned? It sounds like they were naive and didn't stand a chance.
If they hadn't eaten from the tree of knowledge of good.and evil would they have ever know.nakedness. something clearly happened when they ate from the tree
they sinned and knew truly wha sin resulted in right?
I super stick to the second theory too.
I'd like to suggest some additional materials that address this matter: The book of Jasher and the book of Jubilee
Do these books contradict the 66 books in the Old and New Testament? Paul Naomi
I heard a similar story on the Jeremy Kyle show! His name was Spam!
Canaan was already born that’s why. This curse was going to last throughout generations
Apologize about ditching music
Great presentation. I understand what you're saying. This is what bothers me. What does this verse mean? Leviticus 18:6, 17, 19, and then Deuteronomy 22:30 - 30 “A man shall not take his father’s wife, so that he does not uncover his father’s nakedness. I'm just curious.
@Guy Kirkland why would this bother you?
Firstly, because "nakedness" can have another meaning, does not therefore mean this is what Genesis is talking about. That is now making an assumption.
You still have to follow context to ascertain what makes sense in the narrative. Noah got drunk and the Bible says he was uncovered.
Let me know if you have more questions or comments 😀
@@InThyWord Thanks man. :)
I agree with all your assumptions but your conclusion is not logical…I think the reason is God blessed noah and his sons if God blessed them no one can curse them!!!
I was surprised that you think he simply looked at his father naked when, it is very clear that, according to Leviticus 18:6 "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness; I AM Yahuah thy Elohim." To uncover your father's nakedness means to have SEXUAL relations WITH HIS WIFE! She and Noah probably celebrated together and were both drunk and naked together. And Ham went in and saw his mother passed out and took advantage of her. SO... he DID sleep with his mother, and Noah woke and knew it because his wife was covered with an unfamiliar covering. And then he probably asked who did the covering and why, and Shem and Japheth told him when he was sober. And he presumed she would be pregnant and he cursed the illegitimate, LAST born son, of Ham...born of rape and incest. You say it doesn't make sense, but it makes PERFECT sense! What doesn't make sense is thinking that Noah, who understands blessing and cursing, and the importance of lineage and inheritance, would curse a GRANDSON simply because his son Ham....saw him naked.
I was surprised you used probably so much to come to a confident belief about the Bible you cannot prove from the Bible.
Your comment kind of makes me feel you did not watch my video fully.
ur right on the money
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No offence
Who God bless no man can curse ...you are so right ✅ God had already blessed Ham so Noah could not curse him ..and so he had to curse his youngest son ! Makes so much sense thanks 😊 🙏 bless you
I disagree with the interpretation that Noah's son, HAM had raped his mother (Noah's wife) and bore a son named CANAAN... How?... let us analyze...
Q1? ...Why were Japeth and Shem required to walk backward holding a blanket to cover the nakedness of Noah if the mother (Noah's wife) was the one raped by Ham?...
Q2?... And why was Ham laughing at Noah being drunk naked?...
Q3?... Was the "Walking Backward holding a blanket" by Japheth and Shem to cover Noah's nakedness a Metaphor and not a literal Action?...
Q4?... Was Noah's Nakedness also a metaphor, and not a literal Nakedness?...
Q5?... Why was the wife of Noah never RESIST the incest rape of her son, Ham, or at least shout for HELP to her 2 Sons?... as if the mother had given HAM her permission to have sex with her... if that is the case, that is not called RAPE, but A CONSENTING INCEST, logically speaking...
But, unfortunately, that was not what actually had really happened... how?... let us analyze the narration of the Bible (Scripture)...
The narration of the Bible was that after Noah woke up and was told the story of what Ham had done, Noah got angry with Canaan... How can Noah have been able to put a curse (punish) on Canaan if the boy was not yet born at the time the incest rape took place?... No woman can bear (give birth) to a bastard son after being raped for just a day or single night... unless the boy was already existing at the time Noah got drunk, logically speaking...
Take note:... During the Time of Adam and Eve up to the time of Noah, The LAW OF MARITAL INCEST was not yet given or implemented by God to mankind... As long as "Man to Woman" relationship regardless of their blood ties and not same-sex relationship... for example, "Brother to Sister," "Male Cousin to Female Cousin," "Aunt to Nephew," like the Parents of Moses, and "Uncle to Niece" relationships like the parents of Jacob (Isaac and Rebecca) were still allowed by God up to the time the Israelites were slaves in the Land of Egypt...
Remember, LOT (Abraham's Nephew) and his 2 daughters slept with him while he was drunk after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and God allowed it to happen at that time, and never mentioned in the Bible that God had cursed Lot's descendants because of the INCEST done by his 2 daughters... Only during the Israelites' EXODUS towards the Promised Land that God had given to Moses the LAWS at Mt. Sinai... and one of the Mosaic Laws was the Prohibition of INCEST MARITAL LAW...
Most Bible Scholars, Theologians, and Apologists, that HAM had sodomized his own father while Noah was drunk (the same-sex Sin of Ham against God)... that is why Japhet and Shem had to walk backward carrying the Blanket to cover the literal nakedness of their father... Noah was the one raped by his son, HAM... and not Noah's wife... HAM has a BISEXUAL INCEST BEHAVIOR.
Why did Noah curse CANAAN, (the son of Ham, Noah's grandchild) who already existed at the time of the crime, and not HAM himself?... To give more PAINS and SUFFERINGS toward HAM to bear his descendant... If Noah cursed HAM, eventually the curse STOP at HAM when he died... but if from Ham's son, CANAAN, Ham will still bear his descendant curse even until he is gone...
Analogy... for example... "If you like to extract secret information from a person, do not torture the person, for the person will endure the pain even to accept his own death, BUT if you use to leverage the person's LOVE ONES or try to torture his LOVE ONES, he will NEVER be able to bear the pain of seeing them hurt and most likely give up his secret information for the sake of his love ones... the same analogy...
It might sound unfair to the innocent boy CANAAN for the Crime/Sin of his father (Ham), but God allowed it to happen... WHY?... because God himself "curses or punishes the children for the Sins of their Father up to the 3rd and 4th Generations" of a person's descendant who has atrocity (hate) with God (Deut. 5:9)... the same analogy with Noah to Ham's son, Canaan...
Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen.
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Hey, correct me if I am wrong... I don't think if noah sinned by getting drunk as at the time of noah, there were no laws, no commandments or any other stuff which can define sin,.. And the Bible says that noah was a God fearing man and logically speaking, if somehow he knew that doing all those stuff (drunkenness, nakedness etc) is a sin in God's eyes, he must have not done that.... But again just an assumption, you are free to correct me brother
There were several laws K G. Sin was already known with Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel. Unclean animals were known at this point. The flood of Noah had already happened. Sin and judgment from sin was already largely present.
Noah was not perfect his whole life. He made mistakes. Like everyone did (except Jesus).
Glad to help...
Please read Leviticus 18:7 you will unlock exactly what transpired
Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
,,Genesis 9:21 Then he drank of the wine and was drunk and BECAME UNCOVERED in his tent.
So it's clear that Noah UNCOVERED himself, the text doesn't say that Ham uncovered him. so your Leviticus verse doesn't apply here.
Noah was adamic - atlantean of the main lineage of Adam and Eve situated in the Caucasus. He wasn't of Cain's far - asian, mongoloid - eyed bloodline. Noah was already a righteous man before God before the flood and was not unjust in the curse he uttered against Canaan. Noah did not curse Khan. Canaan, his grandson, was the one who really got him drunk, surreptitiously, cup after cup, while he was already fed up listening to his tedious pre - deluge biblical stories. Afterwards alarmed at the alcoholic state in which grandfather had become, Canaan left his grandfather's tent and ran to call his father, Khan. The rest of the story is contained in the biblical account. Canaan is the ascendant of short, short, and pygmy individuals in all their ethnic crosses. Cush for his part, he was cursed by God for the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah when he was still of Caucasian phenotype/ethnicity. Cush became the ascendant of the brown and black peoples of southern Asia, Oceania, Australia and Africa.
Ham and his 2 brothers were already Blessed, so therefore, Noah could not pronounce a 'curse' on his Blessed son - Ham 'saw' his father's nakedness' and when Noah awoke from his drunkenness, he said, 'I know what you did' - That is telling you that an action was performed - 'To see his father's nakedness' is to 'uncover his father's nakedness' , which means that while Noah lay drunk and exposed, Ham took the opportunity to have relations with his mother and ran outside and told his brothers - Some months later, Noah seeing his wife pregnant and knowing it was NOT him, automatically knew it was Ham and he 'cursed' the child in her womb which turns out to be Canaan.
Nesta Forde Watch my set of videos on the matter. The first video especially.
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That is exactly what I believe. Your on it
If that was the case then Canaan would have been born without any Nephilim seed at all.
@@michaelszczys8316 The Canaanites WERE giants.
Three sons, black, brown and white. Why does the black one had to do the wrong and be curse. I dont believe this story ever happened.
Do you believe the Bible is true?
Excellent observation, thank you!!!
Noah must still be drunk to have cursed his grandson, will you curse your grandchild?? This story doesn't add up neither is the analysis thereafter.
Do you accept everyone does bad things in life?
Folk speak ill of others constantly in anger, just so happens that in those days, THE MOST HIGH was listening!!!! The power of life and death is in the WORD, that's why old folks say, "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything!!!!!!!"
None of the conclusions u have arrived at have ANY EVIDENCE
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Nice explanation bro
Thank you 🙂
The problem I am having with your narrative, about Noah cursing Canaan, because Ham was the youngest son of Noah, and Canaan, being the youngest of Ham, is that Noah cursing Canaan should have a parallel somewhere else in the Bible and it doesn't (Please show me a parallel somewhere else in the Bible). However, there are illicit sexual acts (incest) with Ham and his mother producing a child in the Bible. Hence, why the story is being told... to warn people of the consequences of INCEST... Examples include: Tamar and Judah, Lot and his two daughters, David's son Amnon and his daughter Tamar, but are not limited... My point... Incest is a running theme throughout the Bible (Ham and his mother makes since to me, because it is a re-occuring theme throughout the Bible) This behavior has far reaching consequences than you will ever know. The book of Leviticus spends several chapters telling men and women, who they cannot have sex with, and most of the sexual laws deal with incest. Family members having sex... So... my friend... very valid points you make, however, there are no parallels with anything else in the Bible... But incest is spoken about so much, because of this practice being so common (All of this... After the FLOOD)!
I know why people believe he slept with his mom. Verses in the old testament law state to uncover your father, uncle, etc nakedness was to sleep with their wife. Is it possible Ham did something sexual to his own father? That would make him mad enough to curse Hams entire line ....just a thought
It could be possible but unlikely based on other views which are more consistent.
It's not a big deal NOW to some, to see naked parents, it is to ME and obviously to Noah!!!! Notice that Hams' descendants WORSHIPPED PHALLUSES, even wore them as hats, WHY???!???
Nicely expleaned but still doest say what in particular was done to deserve curse
Do you know the act Ham did?
@@InThyWord What did Ham do?
@@amberjones4144 saw his father’s nakedness and went to tell his brothers instead of covering his dad. These are clear things without any theories added.
@@InThyWord Thanks.
@@amberjones4144 🙂
A person looking for answers in cryptic Biblical text. I guess different answers and such no matter what the topic is.....sigh.....I wish God would just speak to me....sigh
That’s evil!!! Why would you hurt someone who hasn’t done you no wrong. These are two separate humans….this is satanic !!!
Why didn’t Noah have anymore children….as the LORD GOD said to them….be fruitful and multiply….
Thoughtful...