Is The One Ring a Commander Staple? | Commander Clash Podcast 88
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2023
- Is The One Ring as powerful in Commander as it is in the LOTR books? The crew weighs in, plus bonus movie character impressions!
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Crim: "I'm not a fan! Everybody has a full back tattoo of gollum falling into Mount doom"
Richard kept oscillating between “This is just going to kill you if you go off with it” to “This is so cracked you’ll become the archenemy as soon as you play it” to “This is no Necropotence, you can’t untap and win.” My mans was conflicted 😂
If it comes off suspend you win the game 😂 Richard is such a troll
Ain't we all like him afrer all 😂
I think those arguments are actually pretty much true though. The life you lose will make it easier for your opponents to kill you. It's powerful enough that it just about warrants you becoming the archenemy. It's also not as explosive as Necropotence and won't win you the game the turn after you cast it.
A tier list of cards that make you the archenemy would be cool to see.
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Richard mentioning Record of Lodoss War is the type of shit I love to see.
Someone else knows old stuff wooo (no sarcasm)
True shit
The Cod Father once again proves he has great taste
I can't believe I recognized Record of Lodoss War and Crim didn't
One of my favorite anime of all time
This podcast convinced me that the flavour on this card is absolutely perfect
ahahahah
absolutely. fantastic flavor cause of the greed factor.
Every time they said the eye would be on you the longer you have it, *chef's kiss* for flavor
Wild that Crim says red decks have better ways of getting card advantage and mentions DARETTI. Which might honestly be the best home for the ring and one of the best cards in that deck lol
I feel like the crew is vastly over estimating how much aggro this card will pull. It's good, but it's not I'm killing you right now good unless you're combing with it.
Honestly, the first 15 minutes of the crew just talking about their LotR creds and making fun of each other is some of my favorite content from this channel.
This is why I like long podcasts. Semi off topic banter is cool, screw the time frame.
I was coming down here to say the same, hilarious content
I like Richards progression to S throughout the episode.
Such an incredible character arc.
You gotta play the One Ring in a Kithkin deck though, for flavor reasons.
But they're halflings
Orcs, Goblins,trolls and lichs with Sauron as Commander.
Welcome to Commander Clash where every good card is unplayable because your opponents may attack you.
The only way to win a game of commander is to play 2 prismatic pipers for commanders and a deck full of wastes
commander feel like play bad deck or play a deck that is so strong you can rekt peoples fast enought that they dont have time to gank you up (and loss all your friends...)
@S V subtle value engine commander that draws no ire, 98 weak cards so you'll never be the threat and 1 card that is an OP busted bomb that wins you the game on the spot.. yeah boi it's big brain deck building
I think it was more nuanced than that. Necropotence draws all the aggro but you get all the benefit immediately. Phyrexian Arena does it slowly but doesn't draw aggro. The one ring draws aggro before it's actually become as good as Necropotence or the like which is why they say it's a build a round
@@henryackerson7138 sure but you understand that then this card is between necropotence and arena (which despite what they say its a really good enchantment) and that sounds amazing. like the platonic ideal for a colorles card.
90 minute debate on one card. Kudos.
Me and Tomer on the same feels with not getting a del Toro Hobbit.
I love how everyone goes BALLISTIC when Crim says he had a film class on LOTR xD
I think a better comparison for this card than Rhystic is Necropotence. This card is basically slow Necro. If you've ever played someone that plays Necro wrong, and only uses it for 3 or 4 cards a turn, this is similar to that. It has the defense benefit over necro, but the slowness makes it much less scary. I do think after the first turn cycle (drawing 3 total), THEN you become a threat that needs to die. Any opponent drawing 4+ cards a turn is a must kill.
31:09 the fact that Crim's argument against the one ring is such a good flavor win, makes me believe he's is an actual fan (he even mentions the Eye)
The One Ring is the perfect mid point between Phyrexian Arena and Necropotence
It's a Phyrexian Arena that starts when it hits and makes a new Phyrexian Arena every turn.
@@MistaHoward who asked?
@@VivBrodock Goku
@@MistaHoward aw you think you're funny. That would be endearing if it wasn't so sad.
@@VivBrodock No, I don't think I'm funny, I just don't feel like responding seriously to a a moron.
One cast to rule them all, one cast to find them, One cast to bring them all, and in the comments bind them; In the Land of TH-cam where the commanders clash.
In the comments bind them. Hehehe
@@forloveofthepage2361 edit made, great addition!
That outro was absolute insanity
Wow, listening to you guys describing your affiliation to Lord of the Rings just made me realize that I’m a huge fan of it. Even though I’m anything but an expert and definitely not really knowledgeable about it I consumed nearly all the books/series/movies/games multiple times. Heck I just remembered that me and my wive dressed up as hobits for our local carneval. Feels awkward just realizing this now…
If you can afford to slow roll the card draw, you could delay the life loss by a turn by activating it on your upkeep.
0:57 We need a Beren & Luthien anime adaption. "Self-insert hobo scores a demigoddess princess and steals the demon lord's jewelry" is perfect anime plot.
do we want more drek like that though?
The One Ring is pretty crazy, it draws you more and more cards each turn. If you have the ability to untap it it's truly bonkers.
Agreed! Unwinding Clock and Seedborn Muse make this card silly. There are tons of ways to untap it that aren't as busted but still way strong as well.
4th activation deals 10 damage to you overall, im not sure
@@oORoOFLOo you only take the damage at upkeep. Not when you tap it. So if you can activate 4 times prior to your following upkeep you only take 4 and draw 10 cards.
True, it is pretty good if you can uptap it multiple times
@@NKMitch42 miran spy, ensoul the one ring lol.
How fitting! Episode 88 and we talk about that lost tool of that one guy who tried to take over the world. ^^
It seems the crew's main argument against the card is that it draws too much ire but do most players build their decks with the goal of sandbagging their way into a win? It is true that the player who seems inauspicious for most of the game ends up winning very often, but that just doesn't seem like a condition you can really build around. That player is usually behind because of their draws or mana screw, not because they only play spirited companions/dousing daggers along with a couple great cards that they hope to draw to close out the game.
Also, it's worth mentioning that it deals no damage the first turn, so it's kind of draw 3 for 1 life, then it starts adding up. If you bounce it the second turn you have it, you basically didn't lose anything. Even if you don't, it's 1 card for 0 life, 3 for 1, 6 for 3, 10 for 6... I might be greedy as hell, but if my commander or the 99 has any amount of protection or life gain, I'd probably run myself into the ground with this and now I really need some Thoughtvessels XD
I think the whole drawing aggro and being arch enemy is a bit of an overstatement. A lot of the time in commander the arch enemy just wins. Because even with 3 opponents they can't find removal, or someone doesn't have enough lands and can't even play anything meanwhile you are drawing so many cards and they're still drawing 1 per turn and you're just too far ahead. Plus even when it's obvious you can't trust a table to accurately determine there even is an arch enemy. With the one ring someone might look at it and say I don't even have to deal with them they're going to die to their own ring and then ignore you. Or see the other two opponents going after you and decide hey I can pretend I don't have anything because those two got it I'll just sit back and let those 3 kill each other and then untap and win but because they didn't dedicate resources the arch enemy gets the 1 extra turn that allows them to win.
Crim actually knows about the Silmarillion he is definitely a connoisseur :D
The argument and back and forth here rivaled the fervor and passion of the Council of Elrond!
I cannot believe I'm living in an age where the subtext around a discussion of the LORD OF THE RINGS is that people are, or should be, embarrassed for liking it. Is this truly the darkest timeline?
I was thinking the same thing!!!! Lol What is happening?!
I lost it at “I broke up with my girlfriend for liking it, but I’m not a hater.” 😂
Where the One Ring is really sick is where you can do something to untap it to draw with it twice between damage taking events. Play it and draw then take one next turn so it's faster than Arena. However let's say that the second turn you can tap it for two then untap it and draw for three you've now gained five cards but when the damage comes around again you only take three damage the second time so you're pulling more cards than damage. You don't want this on the board and not getting used but if you can use it multiple times a turn you quickly get way ahead.
Richard: the lord of the rings movies made fantasy popular.
Me: the books - fellowship being published in 1954 - literally invented the genre as we know it today, so... I think they get the credit?
imma be honest I love your podcast episodes and I often wish they were longer to include more cards or more discussion but this topic feels like it could have been a ten minute video
Adding this to my Queza Augur of Agonies deck. Fits in there perfectly.
adding this to 95% of my decks. Fits in them perfectly.
Seth is the voice of reason this podcast. Just math out how much this draws for the cost
Record or lotus war was such a shout. His best take of the video tbh.
I usually listen on Google podcasts but I had to comment here cause you guys cracked me up today. Top tier podcast. Can't wait to hear Crim's dissertation on the symbolism of the ring.
The end was pure chaos XD
If we’re talking old video games, the Hobbit text adventure from the 80s is a classic of the genre (alongside the Hitchhiker’s Guide)
To Tomer, I do think that the average mono red edh deck is probably at least somewhat an artifact deck. I actually think no color or color combination probably plays more artifacts on average. That is a hunch of course. Love the content, thanks for making it!
The impersonations at the end were so good I liked the video twice!
Hot take, I'll play this over rhystic study. Draws less hate, less triggers to annoy people, responsible tables pay the tax so you won't draw anyway while still being the enemy. You also don't have to play this on turn 3, empty your hand, build your board, and then play this.
So t1 draw a card
T2 -1 l and draw 3 total
T3 -3 and draw 6 total
T4- -6 and draw 10
T5 -10l and draw 15
Now turns in this are from when you cast the ring So there is some variants that this shifts up or down and I think realistically you're probably going to get to keep it for around 3 to 4 turns in most casual games that end around turns 9 10 and 11.
I generally think this card is worth it as a staple card draw engine because while it will kill you it will have drawn you six to 10 cards before it starts killing you And hopefully within those 6 to 10 cards you find a way to sacrifice it or remove it
This is gonna be in the "cards we were wrong about" series
About The One Ring:
The card draw is great, but you straight up get protection from everything that you can recur every round. This card is nutty. You don't need to play subpar cards to make this work, just play Academy Ruins and Junk Diver kinda stuff. The payoff is maybe too huge.
Due to the indestructible, it is likely it will never hit graveyard for those effects to take place
@@joshranger8541 Just sac it, LOL. KCI, etc. There's dozens of great artifact sac outlets to choose from.
@@brningpyre At that point you are a dedicated artifact deck. Which I agree it is obviously amazing in
I agree with crim solid B. Good in specific decks
OMG shout-out for Record of Lodoss War.
"Light and Darkness...."
Man... the ring used with a bounce effect to reuse the protection over and over
38:35 This is a very interesting point, what color needs this card? Blue has a lot of support for it, but at the same time doesn't really need it, Black has necropotence and PLENTY of ways to tutor for necropotence so it also doesn't need it, Green can contest the board well, but at the same time it has blue levels of card draw at this point and doesn't support artifacts well, it might be too slow for most Red decks, but it seems like it could work otherwise, but the best option seems to be mono White, can contest the board well, has plenty of lifegain and very limited options for card draw compared to the other colors.
The logic of "this card is so good and powerful that its bad bc it draws aggro" is never sound, that's strictly an argument for the card being amazing. Also for the "this will kill you" crowd, people play sylvan library and happily pay 8 life to draw 2 each turn. also every single card richard listed as "white's better card draw" was invariably bad, he should have mentioned things like white's new card draw gimmick (battle angels of tyr, smuggler's share, archivist of ohgma) and even then the list is like 5 or so cards, could very much use the one ring.
the end was hilarious
I’m sorry but Crims takes about the ring here are just absurd. Idk if he forgot how painful playing mono red is or what but those exile effects are not even close to a replacement for real carddraw. Plus like 4 commanders actually care about the exile thing, wayyyy more commanders in red care about getting stuff to the yard, which is much easier to do from hand as opposed to exile. Great podcast overall an entertaining listen
I'll be running this in my affinity deck that runs clock of omens and unwinding clock. my turn draw 1, untap on each players' turn drawing 2, 3, 4 and the another 5 on my turn, 15 cards total and only cost me 5 life? draw into Liberator which I flash in to then flash in clock of omens and draw literally my whole deck?
I mean I know the whole point they're making is if you DO build around it it's strong, but I don't quite think you need to build around THIS card, so much as you put it in any deck that cares about artifacts more than other permanents, or any deck that wants to be actively untapping its permanents, or any deck that is capable of copying abilities.
TL;DR - I agree with Richard in so much as it's a card that is good enough that you don't necessarily need to build around it, but you DO want to warp your deck a little to accommodate/abuse it.
49:20 you don't have to cast from hand, casting it from your graveyard (so, you're playing emry) also gives your protection.
My colorless Eldrazi has a number of ways of returning things to my hand so I can get the cast triggers off the Eldrazi again. The One Ring fits perfectly in there.
The One Ring is probably at its best in like a twiddle storm scenario, where you untap it a bunch on your turn, so Voltaic/Manifold/Galvanic Keys, Unwinding Clock, Clock of Omens, Mind over Matter etc.
PS2 Lord of the Rings games were indeed amazing
Gonna proxy it for my Blim deck :)
You guys most certainly earned that like 🤣🤣🤣
This video made my day
This card needs very little build around because itself is gonna draw you into those ''build around'' cards. I was thinking Venser's Journal might be the best friend for this card? It basically reads ''You gain the life that you lose to the ring''.
Hm, a combo. The One Ring + Scrap Trawler and then cast Sculpting Steel, let it come in as the ring and since you cast it you'll get protection from everything until your next turn. Sculpting Steel goes to the yard because of Legend rule and Scrap Trawler saw it as the 4 mana ring, so you can pick up the Sculpting Steel since it costs less than 4. Thats neat a neat combo and you can do this in colourless to boot!
If I'm not mistaken, I believe every LotR bundle comes with a copy of The One Ring. So it should be *very* accessible.
Is this true?
@@Blacklodge_Willy I'll have to find it, there was one of those charts they make that tell you what cards are accessible in each product, and I'm pretty sure it said The One Ring came in each bundle. Not sure where the chart is though.
@@Blacklodge_Willy Aha, I found it. So I was slightly off, but not much - you get a copy in every GIFT bundle. Why we have two bundles, idk, but it should still make the card more widely accessible.
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The end of the podcast was so funny 😂
In no world does the one ring pull even half the aggro rhystic or smothering do unless you're CLEARLY running a nonsense combo for it like running sheoldred, but she's the actual problem not the one ring. I'm assuming this card will only actually pull aggro if most players end up using it unfairly but only time will tell.
Rhystic study has a unique quality that lets you prey upon the responsibilities of the other players. It's not your fault you're drawing the card, it's the other players' fault for not paying the one. There are so many subtle layers to Rhystic that people don't really understand.
I think this is at least experimental in cedh midrange lists since fast mana is prevalent, and refilling the hand is really useful after dumping a hand of rocks
The Lord of the Rings creds discussion between these guys may be one of my favorite moments in the entirety of this podcast, but for reals though I am glad that Crim at least mentions The Silmarillion. It is easily Tolkien's best work IMO and really shows you how small of a conflict The Lord of the Rings was in the grand scheme of things.
Silmarillion is more like a history book than a novel- it’s awesome, but Return Of The King is absolutely epic of a book. I agree though that the Silmarillion would make a better book, but it’s very academic and doesn’t read like a novel-sometimes trying to read it gives me a stroke..Tolkien is dense enough because he was an Oxford Professor and all.
So Tomer is a Doctor of Anime and Crim is a Doctor of Lord of the Rings...
I love the ring in my Braids, Arisen Nightmare, SO free to play for this deck, and you can sac in on turn 2 if things are becoming menacing for yourself. EZ life
The One Ring is going to be absolutely nuts in my Zacama deck. It has lots of ways to gain life accidently along with Zacama's life gain trigger which I rarely use. However the 1 ring will now allow me to use my life as a resource outside of Sylvan Library + it fixes the biggest problem with Naya which is having empty hands after having unholy amounts of mana
with zacama probably dno tribal how can you have carddraw problems in green? rishkars expertise, return of the wildspeaker, lifes legacy, mmentous fall, garruks uprising, elemtal bond, greater good, toski, hunters insight etc. there are soooo many good carddraw spells in naya for both archtypes going wide or big.
If you are having carddraw problems in a big creature deck with green in it, something is wrong about your deck building
@@turnup1186
Dino tribal Zacama is horrible lol. Dinosaurs offer nothing to what Zacama wants to do as a commander.
Zacama is a big mana deck that tries to generate as much mana as possible to abuse his triggers for control. And ultimately you want to combo by abusing his cast-ETB and win with something like Purphorus, Shivan Gorge, or Brash Taunter. Other builds I have experimented with Mycosynth Lattice for a win-con
The typical green card draw spells in a good Zacama deck aren't useful because Zacama is the only creature that's tall. Meaning those cards for the most part are dead unless Zacama is on the field. The only 1 worth running is Rishkar's Expertise and that's because you have the potential to play gamebreaking cards like Mirari's Wake, Panharmonicon, or Elesh Norn for free
Basically you just mentioned "good cards", not cards that actually synergize.
@@ammonaustin9081 i dont know your zacama build but even if you play big mana there are commune with lava kind of speels to have cardadvantage.
and you also mention naya has problems with carddraw.. for the typical naya deck go wide or go tall card draw is easy.
And how does the one ring synergizes with zacama other than it gives you cardadvantage and you can gain life
would you call every deck that has some form of lifegain synergizes with the one ring?
Ah that Supernatural reference by Crim!! Winchester's ftw.
Crim with the ghibli movies, especially Tales of earthsee, really good stuff
I wanna test this in my Voltron deck because the protection lets me swing in once without worrying about getting slammed by the crackback, and when I untap with it next turn, I've drawn three cards so far (once when I cast it, and again when I tap it a second time) and have fully untapped mana. If I stick around past that, the value is nutsy.
Commander Clash Podcast needs more impressions.
Record of Lodoss War was based on an tabletop RPG campaign
Green has plenty of shuffle affects instead of destroy that no one really uses, but is potentially better. Like for 2 mana. Doesn't get around hexproof, but indestructible and regenerate
Record of Lodoss War was based on a AD&D campaign.
The one ring you tap and untap it a million times then bounce it to your hand rinse and repeat. Remember protection last till your next turn only when you cast it stays til next Turn even when the ring leaves. It pretty much a repeatable tefferri protection. You have to counter this otherwise expect the caster to abuse it.
Funny how both rhystic and tithe are in my binder for the exact reason Seth mentioned 😂😂
I have a Queza stall deck- this is cost free card draw & protection. This is godlike for my deck.
The Ozolith?
And I was thinking, is there a way to abuse the ‘protection from everything’ cast trigger?
For me, I could see running it in a deck with voltaic key and manifold key and then when you get it to like 6 counters you Fated Handoff it to an opponent let it do the work of killing them for you problem is, I just don't know what deck I could build that *wants* do do specifically that.
I have to agree with Tomer's BF.. that was a once in a lifetime Sam impersonation :DD
It takes alittle time for the markings to show. When it's exposed to fire or lava, they don't show up instantly. Takes a few seconds lol
Hopefully The One Ring won't actually be that expensive since there's going to be a guaranteed full art version of the card in every bundle in addition to the ones that will be pulled from Collector's boosters, etc.
great podcast
I am 100% with Tomer on this card. It's the best colourless draw effect, but most colours don't need it necessarily and you should include some way to mitigate the life loss on this effect if it sticks around for a while. Considering it has good card advantage over time, protects you for a turn when it comes in, gains extra synergy from other archetypes through its tap ability and counter usage, and has indestructible to make sure it sticks around for a while, makes it a very good card in my opinion. But, it isn't an auto include due to the ultimate price you pay of 1 life for each card it gives you; some decks don't have enough incidental life gain to mitigate that one downside over time, while other decks don't have any synergy with this and may already have better card advantage solutions. Overall, though, I'd give it an A+; very good card by itself, but not quite clean enough to be an auto include.
I think if we start seeing this a lot we'll see green start playing more Deglamer and Unravel the Aether. They are 1G shuffle target artifact or enchantment into owner's library.
I know that Dana Roach from EDHREC loves these cards over Nature's Claim and I've been agreeing lately. Lots of indestructible stuff that's just nice to shuffle away.
Maybe this makes Hijack finally playable. Steal the ring when it has already some burden counters, untap, draw a lot of cards and add another burden counter just to hand it back to its owner at end of turn.
Beside this: I really like the flavour of this card (huge LotR fanboi here). Don‘t see it as an auto-include but definitely strong in the right deck! Might add it to my Edgar deck (lifegain + sac for artifacts available + worst case solutions like despark).
I think this suffers from the Beledross problem. Everyone was EXTREMELY scared of that card, the big dragon where you pay 10 life to untap all your lands once a turn! It was going to break the format!! But then, lo and behold, paying a quarter of your life is a hell of a price! I suspect this will be the same. It's very good, and the card draw from it is good, but paying that much life will add up quickly! You are not immune to getting attacked, especially with battles coming out and encouraging people to play even more aggressively.
Tomer's Samwise impression is just Kermit the Frog.
The one ring will be sick in my neheb dreadhoard champion mono red deck. Actual card draw is super relevant for that.
This reminds me of Mind Unbound or The Magic Mirror. Once u get to 3 extra cards a turn ppl have to find an answer.
Crim loves it.
I will always keep Swamp / Dark Ritual / Sol Ring / The One Ring :)
You pay less than 1 life per card drawn, that's cEDH Ad Nauseum levels of card draw.
I'd definitely add Seedborn Muse in green and Unwinding Clock for everthing else alongside this - not exactly build around but those cards are also useful in a lot of other situations.
31:45 Seth "math.. what's that..." Lol
Dude it's 1 life per card drawn
U guys are overestimating how much and how often archenemy targeting happens. 4 mana is around when people start playing their commanders and other solid threats, it’s pretty much on par with other 4 mana playable edh cards.
Oloro, Ageless Ascetic would do well to offset the damage. Not totally but enough that you won't die so quickly.
I think Richard always over-values archenemy status. "oh no, three players are expending a bunch of resources to tackle me while I'm drawing them under the table." Especially because I don't think the ring instantly puts a target on your back.
I played a hunted horror today and won, it is the truth. Was able to profitably contain a Xancha hilariously