Okay i am New to draughts but is there a serious time Scramble in Draughts so the people have to make the moves fast? Because that would explain why it's normal in chess but Not draughts
I think ivanchuk did a good job staying equal in material untill the combination. He didnt got a classical game and was adventurous. Just the same as he would in chess. Good job!
Ivanchuc is a good player of Checkers, but just like in chess, Checkers has his peculiar tactics and strategies. Chuc could still be a great player of this sport if he dedicates the necessary.
I'm a chess player currently trying to learn draughts and I won't lie to you it's strangely difficult. Shogi is also a game I know how to play, and while it is also on a 10x10 board and has some wild combinations seeing as you can replace captured pieces, draughts is its own beast for us chessmen. The main thing for me is that we are taught to give material a different kind of valuation compared to draughts. The combinations are logical and calculating them is not hard for good chess players, but the intuition to decide to calculate some of these sequences is not there for us chess players. The initial moves of these combinations are not the first that pop into our heads, because we calculate the sacrifice of material to maybe a couple of captures' depth, and then reject shelling that many pieces. This is mainly why I think Chucky misses the shot at around 1:50 because as soon as he saw it played, he clearly thought "Oh damn yep sure enough, time to resign." I am really seriously impressed at how many 8x8, 10x10, etc. boardgames there are with such a wide range of styles that masters must familiarize themselves with. It's really impressive seeing how different these games are from one another at times. Also, to anyone who reads this comment and cares what it says, are there any international draughts books you could recommend? I am genuinely looking to become literate at the game haha
Douwe odH basic tactics? In the second game it doesn't looks like a simple tactics and the guy was in severe time pressure! Ok chucky is not a legend in chekers like in chess but he is not a beginner either.
chess brillancie The second tactic might look more complicated, but considering it was absolutely the only tactic possible in the position, it is still considered basic. But chucky might indeed be more advanced than a beginner. Compared to chess he would be like 1500 OTB I guess...
In chess tactical shots are localized, whereas in draughts they involve the whole board as a cosequence of capturing stones being extremely mobile. That is why Chucky missed the shot at 2:01 which started on his right side and ended in the left corner.
@@boriserjavec6470 White just sacrificed a stone. Chucky would capture it, then White would sacrifice two more stones to the same black stone and then recapture three white stones while getting a king in the corner.
It is called internation draughts. It shouldn't surprise you since a lot of countries have their own checker variant with different board sizes and rule about capture and promotion of pieces: Italy, Turkey, Portugal, England...
It's a bit hard to see if you suck at checkers like me, but basically after Chucky captures (which is forced) Jan would sacrifice two more stones (remember that backwards captures are also forced) and then capture three of Chucky's stones while making a king in the corner.
He gave up because fall for a easy kingshot: Jan gave away one piece, ivanchuk had to take, then he gave away to more, and ivanchuk had to take them, and then Jan takes to king, look at the wholes at ivanchuk's left wing
Checkers is solved by computers (draw from the standard starting position), but the perfect play algorithm is too complex for a human player to memorize.
@@rafayelordyan2046why would that cause a resignation though? It would be an even trade (3 for 3)? there must be something better than that... EDIT: Never mind, saw that he was kinging in the end
He was not winning in international checkers you can take backwarts and jumping over pieces is mandatory, so jan saw that hole combination en won the game.
I love that they used the real rule where you can kill backwards. I hate when people use the fake rule that you can only kill forward and not backwards unless you are king. That is some fake nonsense rule.
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Its very interesting to see a chessplayer playing another game very seriously.
I am INFP
I know it's so cool I have been sleeping on draught
@@snubnosedmonkey so am I
@@snubnosedmonkey i understand your language
I am physically hurting from how gentle the draughts player is touching the clock, like just press the clock
@ Levi.
Simply .. Jan is respectful.... and has good manners
Why does that hurt you? It looks quite graceful to be honest.
It sounds better when pressed gently imo
Okay i am New to draughts but is there a serious time Scramble in Draughts so the people have to make the moves fast? Because that would explain why it's normal in chess but Not draughts
16:53 - WTF! I wish I had a such good memory... he quickly got the position of 14:37
Pretty normal for a high level player of draughts, chess to memorize positions like this, in the end it all comes down to pattern recognition
Meu jogador de Xadrez favorito! Obrigado, mestre Ivanchuk!
I think ivanchuk did a good job staying equal in material untill the combination. He didnt got a classical game and was adventurous. Just the same as he would in chess. Good job!
Ivanchuc is a good player of Checkers, but just like in chess, Checkers has his peculiar tactics and strategies. Chuc could still be a great player of this sport if he dedicates the necessary.
@Eric Suhren no way you can beat Groenendijk he is one of the best players in the world
just love the way Jan presses the clock, looks so classy..
I'm a chess player currently trying to learn draughts and I won't lie to you it's strangely difficult. Shogi is also a game I know how to play, and while it is also on a 10x10 board and has some wild combinations seeing as you can replace captured pieces, draughts is its own beast for us chessmen.
The main thing for me is that we are taught to give material a different kind of valuation compared to draughts. The combinations are logical and calculating them is not hard for good chess players, but the intuition to decide to calculate some of these sequences is not there for us chess players. The initial moves of these combinations are not the first that pop into our heads, because we calculate the sacrifice of material to maybe a couple of captures' depth, and then reject shelling that many pieces. This is mainly why I think Chucky misses the shot at around 1:50 because as soon as he saw it played, he clearly thought "Oh damn yep sure enough, time to resign."
I am really seriously impressed at how many 8x8, 10x10, etc. boardgames there are with such a wide range of styles that masters must familiarize themselves with. It's really impressive seeing how different these games are from one another at times.
Also, to anyone who reads this comment and cares what it says, are there any international draughts books you could recommend? I am genuinely looking to become literate at the game haha
Jan seemed a nice dude. Giving a lesson to the oldhead!
Ivanchuk would maul him in chess tho!
Chucky still beginner in draughts:-), Jan crushed him with basic tactics. Very nice vid!
Douwe odH basic tactics? In the second game it doesn't looks like a simple tactics and the guy was in severe time pressure! Ok chucky is not a legend in chekers like in chess but he is not a beginner either.
chess brillancie The second tactic might look more complicated, but considering it was absolutely the only tactic possible in the position, it is still considered basic. But chucky might indeed be more advanced than a beginner. Compared to chess he would be like 1500 OTB I guess...
@@Quoteking. two different games and strategy...
chucky is 1900 in draughts not begginer
ivanchuk is not a beginner. he's rated 1990 in draughts and groenendjik is rated 2437
In chess tactical shots are localized, whereas in draughts they involve the whole board as a cosequence of capturing stones being extremely mobile. That is why Chucky missed the shot at 2:01 which started on his right side and ended in the left corner.
i don't see it
@@boriserjavec6470 White just sacrificed a stone. Chucky would capture it, then White would sacrifice two more stones to the same black stone and then recapture three white stones while getting a king in the corner.
Uh no he just missed it because he isn’t as good at draughts
in chess they don't have to be localized either
Вторая партия просто сильная позиционная игра черных и комбинация в миттешпиле .Ян Грунендайк международный гроссмейстер Нидерланды
oi, você pode me dizer porque eles apertaram as mãos tão rápido na primeira partida? minha área é o xadrez, por isso não entendi kkk eles empataram?
checker looks like delicious oreo
hmmmmm... suddenly i feel hungry
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Awesome sacrifice
15:39 i want to know did he REALLY plan all of that ?
Of course he did
@@Allgreen69 no it was not, for advanced draughts players its a easy combination to spot
No man he played LOTTO 🤣
Amazing moves 👏
Amazing!!!
At first i thought you were gotham chess lol
16:05 WTF!
It's international draughts he must go backwards
@@simon7628 he must or can? I bet your English grammar must be great
@@Ahmed-qc3bh he must jump over pieces is mendatory in draughts/chrckers
Since when do u go back if not kinged?
@@Foralluhaterz You dont need to be king to go backwards, you must take the jump
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I think the guy in the blue jacket should try chess. I think he can become a National master if he tried really hard.
@Levien souwcijs you're right, the old guy should try backgammon.
@Levien-vt4tc😂
What kind of checker is this? I normally see checker is only 3 rows. Please explain...
It is called internation draughts. It shouldn't surprise you since a lot of countries have their own checker variant with different board sizes and rule about capture and promotion of pieces: Italy, Turkey, Portugal, England...
This is big boy checkers.
i used to play with 2 rows when i was younger
Jan is playing well
I don't understand the rules, you have to take if you can right? But why can it move backwards at 16:01 ?
you can take backwards
@@renato5384 It's not Russian rules, it's Poland ones, the 10x10 international checkers as in the video is the Poland one.
He is chess player
never knew ivanchuk played draughts!
epic video
Chuky es dios juega esta madre y ajedrez y en las 2 la rompe
guys can please someone explaing whatever the hell happened at 1:57? why did ivanchuk resign?
It's a bit hard to see if you suck at checkers like me, but basically after Chucky captures (which is forced) Jan would sacrifice two more stones (remember that backwards captures are also forced) and then capture three of Chucky's stones while making a king in the corner.
I wanna eat some cookies
as someone’s who’s new to checkers, why did the guy on the left win the first game? I’m very confused.
He sacrificed a stone. He would then sacrifice two more, recapture three and promote.
@@nemeczek67 how? İ dont understood?
@@bestenigar. taking backwards is mandatory
Ich habe für Magnus Carlsen - İvanchuk Schachspiel gekommen aber jetzt ich bin hier . Warum ich weiß auch nicht 😁😁
Why did the first game stop? Why did he lose?
He gave up because fall for a easy kingshot: Jan gave away one piece, ivanchuk had to take, then he gave away to more, and ivanchuk had to take them, and then Jan takes to king, look at the wholes at ivanchuk's left wing
@@user-yn4fq3ei5b Thanks!
Дамка это ферзь подарок
Why did he resign in first game ? )
he gives one piece after that two more pieces. Then he takes three and gets a king. look at the holes in ivanchuk position on the left wing side.
@@dekolonel1234 Can you explain this? What happens if Chucky just captures that piece towards the center?
@@JohnDoe-qg1pj Chucky takes towards the center, then Jan moves the piece from e3 to d4. Chucky takes on e3 and then on g5 when Jan can make a king
Quitter
I took me 3 mins to work out why Chucky lost the first game, Chucky did it in 3 seconds. 1:53
Yeah ivanchuk is already quite good in checkers, but he shouldnt fall for it at first, of course
why did he lose?
@@itsvaporx9633 takes takes takes and yeah, hes just lost
why doesn't he play the nose gambit?
Because there is a lot more opening in international draughts
Fuckkkk that was amazinnnggg. Amazing combinatioonn
My laughing chimney is a creepy guy
I play checkers and I don't understand how the first game was lost with so many pieces on the board and the whole back line in tact.
Did Ivanchuck capture backwards?
It's international draughts, with 10x10 board and backwards capture, among other changes to the normal checkers you're probably used to
Since when can you move backwards? Did anyone else see that mistake?
Since 300 years. It is the International Checkers rules. You can capture backwards.
Why is the board bigger than a regular checker board or a chess board
Russian
It is International Checkers. 10x10 is the standard side.
@@wilsonjunior4175No russian checkers use 8x8 board.
Can we have some good Vids like this on Frisian Draughts?
Can somebody explain did Ivanchuk resign at @1:59?
I think the gentleman who lose the game has a problem in his vision.
Eh is one of the most important Chess player in the world
expert level checkers sequel
Not hate, just a doubt. Is draughts a solved game from the computer's perspective or there is room for knowledge yet?
Checkers is solved by computers (draw from the standard starting position), but the perfect play algorithm is too complex for a human player to memorize.
Actually I'm wrong, this game is actually draughts, which is slightly different from checkers. This game is not fully solved.
My man, its been 0:24 seconds and he's all stressed out 😭😭😭
c'est cool
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master checkers game level
he slams the timer lol
Is this like chess but for people with learning difficulties?
Rude
Lol that old guy is pro Chess player but he losing..
Its a whole another game you dumb ---
Jan Groenendijk teaching to an old sir how to play a board game.
11:16 when ur ahead but u realize something is very wrong
Very nice game!
Yo checkers guy !! Ivanchuk will rip you apart in Chess !!
That 'checkers guy' is one of the best players in the world
Chess peoples say checker is less complex but they still losing that fucking game....😏😏😏
@@yusrizal9212 Checkers is less complex doe.
@@destro2898 yet they be losing doe
@@sameash3153 yeah cuz although its less complex, its still a different game.
10:17 when u start seeing all the horrible outcomes when u try to move xD
nice games arcade checkers
What is Ivanchuks las words? I need practice, ok. After ??? i did not have practice.
"i think he said after turkey i did not have practice" maybe he had a tournament there
Why did Ivanchuk resign around 2 minutes?
Alot of mistakes early on and to top that he made a big mistake.. at the 2 minute mark. 27-21 16x27 38-34 27x29 32x1
He would give to pieces more and could capture to king. Look at the gabs in whites left wing
Hi Lennart Ootes!
what happened on 1:53?
No clue lol
If Ivanchuk will take, Jan will give Ivanchuk two pieces too (e3-d4), and Jan will eat 3 piesec (h4-j10).
@@rafayelordyan2046why would that cause a resignation though? It would be an even trade (3 for 3)? there must be something better than that...
EDIT: Never mind, saw that he was kinging in the end
@@alexg111 No, that is losing.
Black is supposed to start first
Ivanchuk está flojo en Checkers.
Jan is magnus carlsen of checkers
I thought checkers only had 3 ranks of pieces? Ivanchuk is one of my favorite Blitz players (chess)
It's not checkers
@@justinjager8412 It is.
@@illogical1421 It is called draughts. It has a different board and different rules
Justin Hunter its a other name for checkers......
@@stevenli47 but this is the international kind of checkers, which has a 10x10 board
GE-KO-LO-NI-SEERD
16:04 he just what?
Иванчук прекрасный шахматист, на кой ему черт лезть в чужую игру?...
Василий помимо того, что гроссмейстер по шахматам, является мастером спорта по шашкам
Hey Vassily, I think you need to do better. Thank you1
Иванчук играет
best of (6) 1.00 a game bet 5.
This rule of damas is rediculus . We dont take back . Ivanchuck was winnin
This one is actually the most difficult to play compared to other versions of dama.
In international draughts it is possible backwards capture
He was not winning in international checkers you can take backwarts and jumping over pieces is mandatory, so jan saw that hole combination en won the game.
Imagine being good at checkers and not Chess
What do you mean? I don't know how to play Chess because I don't like it, and I'm good at Checkers. I found Checkers better than Chess.
Why even bothering both has it's own strategys and levels of competition dont underestimate checkers and dont comparise chess and checkers thank you!.
I can beat both of the hands down
Why would you want to play their hands?
Who is here because of Agadmator??
Hello Everyone!
Ted Dy what’s the idea here 👍🏼
Hahahaha (^.^)
YES! LMAO
Huh thats a chess channel right?
at 00:57 Vassily missed a chance to finish of the game with an Easy double on the right. sigh!!!!
Это игра начинающего шашиста
They are both Amateur..
🤬🤬
Old dude can't even play.
I love that they used the real rule where you can kill backwards. I hate when people use the fake rule that you can only kill forward and not backwards unless you are king. That is some fake nonsense rule.
Вторая партия просто сильная позиционная игра черных и комбинация в миттешпиле .Ян Грунендайк международный гроссмейстер Нидерланды
best of (6) 1.00 a game bet 5.