but most of the new ones are? yao yao? amazing at c0, cons do nothing special freminet? as good as a 4* onfield dps can get, flexible with teams due to phys/cryo/rev.melt options layla? great shielder for freeze teams with a bit more damage than diona, without the healing, but better off field application. linnette? decent vv holder in a team without grouper needs. charlotte? great healer for furina freeze teams faruzan? great anemo buffer, but with 300ER requirements at c0. kirara? decent dendro applier+shielder for quicken teams the ones that are dubious, where they have at best one team where they are not a downgrade are kaveh, candace, dori...
@@raulmaltrain6893 so far everyhting after kirara they found a good balance. better than most 5 stars at c6, usable at c0. though pre fontaine, some of them had INSANE ER requirements and their main functionality locked behind burst. im looking at you faruzan.
Despite her restrictive passive, imo she still genuinely is a pretty good 4*, especially if you compare her with other 4* characters that were released post 1.0. In some cases she allows you to set free xq or kazuha for the other side, which is also a good thing.
The restrictive passive isn't a problem to her power level. It's just that she does close to nothing unless you fully commit to pyro and electro team and that feels bad
She's not pretty good, she's amazing lol. She's legit up there with the release four stars with how much she does. She heals, shreds resistance for TWO elements for free where any unit can proc and refresh it...she offers healing, with a team heal at C6, she offers energy to the team per rotation with C1, a 40 percent attack buff just by herself, with 20 percent more with Noblesse if you decide to use that, and she does fantastic personal damage for a four star. She offers 60 percent elemental damage boost at C6 which just a mere 15 below a C0 FURINA. She's fucking GOATed because her power budget was evenly split through her entire kit and cons...she doesn't have a shitty constellation, nor is C6 gated like all of the Sumeru 4 stars, nor is she energy hungry like the Inazuma four stars with shit damage (Sayu, Thoma, Kuki without hyperbloom, etc...).
yes its restrictive since its only electro and pyro. but with that restriction she bring the same as VV Shreed and atk buff for whole team. i mean if she able to compare to Succrose and Kazuha she is that good. and her cons will bring her buff energy or personal dmg as package is a plus. she really a better *4 since that been release since..... Rosaria or Kuki (because Hyperbloom) TL;DR she is sure a niche since she restrictive, but she REALLY GOOD at those niche. if people saying restrictive team comp bad its just like saying Lyney or Nilou is bad, and they arent.
@@arunjosephshadrach9539I mean, she's made for overload and they told us from the beginning. That's the same case as dedicated supports and some other cases like kuki in hyperbloom or thoma in burgeon. It doesn't really limit her power, it just makes her more restrictive to which teams you should play her on. At least she brought back a useless reaction.
I've done a fair bit of abyss testing with her. Zajef is spot on For Raiden and Yae teams (sometimes boths), Xianglin feels like the better unit to pair with her. It was cutting side 1 clears down by a good 10 seconds. Not having to play circle impact is a great benefit. Especially for bosses that you have to chase. Honestly I think locking power behind restrictive team building is a good thing. The reason every four star character and some c0 five star characters feel bad when stacked up against the majority of 1.0 ensemble is because the original character all have a very high power ceiling with very little restrictive team building. That's why the majority of the 1.0 and 2.0 meta was find DPS with the biggest club and pair them with XQ or XL. People were complaining about c6 bennet because it restricts some of his teams. Fontaine characters feel great to build and play and will stay relevant because they enable niches (healers, mono, crystallise, overload) that just weren't viable before. I haven't had so much fun building characters in a long time because insert (OG character isn't the best option for this team). More fun than the introduction of Dendro, which just felt like a they power crept transformative reactions to the point where bloom teams became the best default. That said I'm also a 1.0 player so have been playing with the OG cast a long time.
I think this character is an A tier character on release who will probably age like fine wine with Natlan. She allows you to play kazuha on the other side of abyss and great for boss enemies.
The only issue is that currently her teams are pretty singlet target impact which leaves out one of the reasons you wanted to play kazu anyway. Not the pog damage but the grouping. Maybe we just need a more aoe focused carry for her like arlechinno.
@@wilburforce8046Much more often than not, grouping is irrelevant because you are fighting big mobs that can't be grouped. It's only really relevant in speedrunning.
I think that whole "Play Kaz on the other side" thing is overblown. Look at Sucrose usage rate in the Abyss. It's garbage. And yet she's regarded as a very powerful four star, with the various catalyst weapon options, and is one without the teaming restrictions. People already build teams that don't need/want Kaz. And that's what they'll use over having to deal with building electro/pyro characters they wouldn't otherwise use to pair with Chev. As far as aging goes, it is a double sided sword. On one hand, with time, you will have more character options that go with her. But conversely, you'll also have more character options that don't go with her. And the odds of those 5/7th offering more overall rewarding team building options than the 2/7ths she does pair with... well, just remember people said that "get better with more options" thing about Lithic weapons as well. Then there's the Natlan copium. Natlan will probably have a gimmick, since that looks to be the way of Genshin these days. If that gimmick isn't Overload related, then likely it'll result in new characters that don't want Chev on the team. Now, is it all doom and gloom for Chev? Nope. She has some nice options now, and future-wise, all it takes is one "right character" for Chev to shine, much like how Kuki's hyperbloom status.
@@Axterix13 Sucroses usage is bad because she feels terrible to play compared to kazuha and lacks his grouping, damage and selffocused targeting. Unless you onfield her(in which case you gotta deal with her NA animations) she just isnt comparable to kazuha.
@@snowparodyhonestly crazy how they made two hyperbloom dps in cyno and al haitham, but not burgeon at all. I guess Al haitham works for burgeon, but also not really
That's what I've been thinking. In the 2nd event stage I played overburn and it was fun as heck. I get why they didn't want her to be paired with hydro or anemo, but at least let her work with dendro.
@@Personpersonpersonperson That's technically Nilou - her Bountiful Blooms are essentially Burgeon with, ironically enough, more restrictions but less effort (Barbara/DMC/Collei/Nilou is a solid team and 3 of the 4 characters are free. Stack EM on Barbara with some HP on the side, use her as your driver and watch everything explode). Edit: There was a ton of extra stuff that didn't add much to the convo, so I tossed it.
I think it's the restrictive passive that actually forces you to play characters you otherwise wouldn't, and focus in on a certain playstyle. We've had enough 8x elemental reaction teams in the last year since Dendro came out that seeing a unit that emphasizes a very underutilized reaction is cool. Much better on a 4-star unit than a 5-star.
Restricted 4*s are to be expected: gorou, mika, sara, faruzan etc. By comparison, Chevy is an extremely versatile unit because she buffs TWO elements instead of one. Part of what makes Nilou so bad is you're paying tons of pulls/dollars to play restricted teams. I'll get a chevy eventually by accident, and it'll be a pleasant surprise and then I can play weird overload teams.
@@undeniablySomeGuy you do know that even cope nilou teams are good enough to clear? She builds her own team from just f2p units and has 0 overlap with the desired 4*s. Compare her to any other single 5* team and she clears most of them, add a second 5* which for nilou is nahida and she gets even better. You don't need kokomi for her.
They were backed into a corner. They couldn't let you have both VV shred and Chev shred on the same team, because it'd be way too strong (shred tends to scale parabolically with itself)
As a wise man once said, "restrictions breed creativity." Chevreuse's elemental restriction encourages you to think about using characters you wouldn't otherwise. That said, like the other guy said, Nilou is far from restrictive; she's actually one of the least restrictive 5-stars. She works with pretty much every Hydro and Dendro character out there, including the F2P ones, whereas many other 5-stars need specific teammates to work.
@@luminous3558First. Nilo IS restrictive. You can only use 2 elements with her thats the definition of restriction. Also she theoretically doesn't need 5 star characters just like Kuki theoretically didn't need Dendro. Her power level skyrocket once you have Nahida, and your rotations get way faster once you also get Kokomi.
I love her and Nilou's restrictions. They get creative teams that aren't just the same BiS units. Nilou enables characters that are otherwise bad such as Collei and Barbara to shine, which I think is awesome. Chevreuse enables herself to be a great 4* at C0 in her niche. Instead of wishing for her to be another universal Xingqiu-like unit that you can play with the Xingqiu you already have, making 3/4ths the same teams we already had but with 1.5% more sheeted dps in some situations... I prefer this by a large margin. 😇 Thanks for the showcase, I hope we get to see more Chevreuse and a dive into her rotations!
It's true that her passive is restrictive to overload team, but I don't think it's limiting creativity. More like it's the other way around. Not most players will use pyro and electro characters together, but with Chevy you can let your imagination wander to take advantage of her utility with overload teams. She also can work to some degree like Bennett and Kazuha in terms of buffing and debuffing and that's huge given that these two characters are always must-haves on many teams. The reason why I recently enjoyed using Fontaine characters liker Furina, Navia, and her was because they allowed me to use healers and crystallize and overload reactions efficiently which I wouldn't use without them at this point in the game.
I think glossing over Yanfei here was a huge oversight. Just had the easiest 1st try 36* Abyss randomly deciding to try Yanfei + Chevreuse. Here's why: 1.) Yanfei has deceptively MASSIVE f@ck!ng range. Girl can charge attack enemies almost half an abyss chamber away, making circle impact with Benny not a problem even with 15 knockbacks from overload. 2.) If played correctly, can sprint and charge attack without using stamina, making her versatile VS any enemy attack pattern. 3.) She applies so much goddamn Pyro with crit that you will NEVER lose pyro aura, meaning you can run something like EM Raiden just for stagger / overload dmg and Raiden will ALWAYS be the one triggering. Raiden Chevy Benny all have super low investment cost in this team. Your dmg is just Yanfei + Raiden Overloads. So if you already like Yanfei enough to invest in her, she's all you need to invest in. Artifacts are flexible with Wandering Troupe / Lavawalker / Crimson Witch / Shimenawa / Marechaussee all being decent options. Now I know it's an overall weak abyss right now, but I can't stress enough how easy my Yanfei side was. Made my aggravate team on the other side feel sweaty in comparison.
Despite how resticted she may seem, she is honestly so much more flexible than other 4 star supports like Yun Jin, Mika, Kujo Sara, Gorou, etc. On top of that, her ease of build rivals Bennett and her support rivals kazuha which is insane on its own, but the fact that shes complete and perfectly fine at C0 makes me believe shes the best 4 star since Kuki by far
She's not very restrictive at all, you can make a LOT of teams, she literally makes Overload viable, if not pretty damn good since most Abyss floors have heavy ass mobs that can't be tossed around, anyways...and, it's still CC because it pushes mobs back from Yanfei, Lyney, Yae, etc... and literally gives Dehya her first actual non cope team with Lyney or Yanfei because of the resistance interruption and off field pyro app that's slow, so it's great for Overload and keeping up the passives lol. That's pretty damn amazing for a FOUR star to be doing.
By the way, she's not restrictive since you can still use an anemo, you just don't get the resist shred, but you still get it since you are using VV on an anemo anyways, you still get the healing, damage buff from C6 and the attack buff... so it's really not restricting her since you gain back what you "lost" anyways.
@@marcusaurelius4777 its not overloads thats made viable, u dont build the teams for overload. Overload is just a means to an end for her to increase the teams raw dmg numbers
@@marcusaurelius4777 Only pyro and electro characters get the atk buff, and if you included her and say kazuha, you still need an electro and then who else? That would be an incredibly scuffed team comp.
12:44 I think it's just the opposite - restrictions and opportunity cost are what drive players creativity. In General. The problem is that Genshin is a very simple game in structure, which does not have many options to circumvent these limitations.
Freeing up Kazuha, heck, even being compared equally to Kazuha is a great win, even with the restrictions in place. And hey, playing some new teams could be fun, finally Overload is given a chance. Now, how about burning...
I actually think Chevreuse’s team restriction was done in a much better way than Nilou’s, especially if you consider her “complete” kit at C6. Since Nilou is basically only a walking passive, there’s zero reason to use her outside of Hydro/Dendro teams, which makes her restriction much more suffocating in terms of team building. Chevreuse on the other hand still has her 20-40 Atk% buff, healing, mini grouping, personal damage (C4), and 20-60 Dmg% buff (C6) if you break her restriction. This makes it viable to break the restriction, turning it into more of a trade-off: Do you want her 40% res shred, or the power of Vaporize/Aggravate/stronger grouping + Swirls. If Chevreuse didn’t have this restriction I think she would actually be more straightforward and boring, and potentially just broken. When they make restricted kits in future I’d definitely want Chevreuse over Nilou
Her healing is minor. Her personal damage means you reduce the atk buff% and takes up on-field time that can be better spent elsewhere typically. The atk% buff is limited to pyro and electro characters only. The C6 buff requires on-field time to build up. Her grouping might as well not exist. And then you have ease of use restrictions, where you potentially have to change up your rotation to get that Overload in. The pyro can mess up things, like burning away dendro app, which limits dendro character options. The character slot she's typically competing for is a buffer/debuffer slot. So she's the character getting the boot that results in the team being non-pyro/electro only. Basically, the more diverse the team, the lower the benefits, the more the hassles, and the greater the opportunity cost. Like I'd sooner toss in a hydro into an aggravate team, going Quickbloom, than Chev. Fewer hassles, stronger character options (hiya, Furina!).
I think is contradictory to say Chevreuse kit restriction limits creativity, because let's be honest, core National team comp throws creativity out of the window from the start, for buffing a element, use Kazuha, why botter, 0 creativity, but with Chevy, you have another option to buffing, you only use 2/3 of the National core, so you need to think well what pyro or electro unit use, and what kind of obstacles you need to resolve where with Anemo or Geo can resolve (or better say, Kazuha and Zhongli can resolve), and if you think about it, if her kit haven't a restriction and you can combine with VV, you broke the game basically, but if you reduce her buff kit, then why use her over Kazuha or another VV user if not near of buffing, so I think in the end, this restrinction was a necesary curse for she be a good character to use in general and view an practically abandoned reaction that is overload even if overload was an excuse.
I don't have c6 but chevy is already better than my c0 kazuha (w xiphos, lvl90, just under 1000 em) in raiden hyper, at least in single target. Note: raiden is my favorite character, I have her c2r1. I find raiden/sara/xiangling/chevy to be the most comfortable variant, but raiden/sara/chevy/bennett gives me the biggest numbers on raiden and noticeably outperforms kazuha. Ofc you lose grouping and his personal aoe dmg, which are quite significant, but it doesn't matter in the current bossing top half. I'm getting best results by proccing one last overload w bennett c6 NA before bursting.
Glad to see my idea of the Lyney/Benny/Chevy/EmEi team worked out, it was fun to play in the trial event and im sure it’ll be even more fun if i could pull and build her before Tulpa leaves abyss
From my testing, Raiden, Xiangling, Sara, Chevvy was by far and beyond the best performing team. It's actually comparable or better than any other Raiden team I've ever used.
@@tonydai782that’s because I assume they’re using Raiden as the main damage dealer, and Sara buffs her a lot, Xiangling is there as a sub dps, Bennett isn’t some kind of must have for every team…
I never bothered with hyper Raiden because I was not a c6 Sara owner. I am now and currently she's not built because I wanted to test Chevy teams first. Raiden, Yae, Chevy, Xiangling was the top performing team for me. Yae pairs so well with Chevy though so we'll see
restrictions are fine, especially if they are a 4* like her. It forces you to play characters differently, because let’s be honest, if she doesn’t have that restriction you’d still probably use a VV user again on the team. They could reduce her numbers instead for balancing, but that would probably hurt her maximum performance more than making her more versatile. Doesn’t it feel fresh to use carries that doesn’t rely in anemo VV? even though her kit is basically a VV, it’s still different flavor.
Yae mika feels so good with chevreuse. She was already decent in overload with bennett xiangling but now with chevreuse it feels better than her aggravate teams. Wish i could have chevreuse c6 though
It's not, please stop lol. I use Yae Aggravate with a C2 nahida, C2 Kaz, and a filler unit like Kuki with Tenacity or some shit, hell, even C6 Furina for Quickbloom Yae and overload Yae with Chev is just fine. It's still obviously better to use her in Aggravate for PERSONAL dps for her, but for team dps in overload with Chev and well invested non copium all Fav holding shit build support teams like most Genshin players have...it's fantastic. Lyney, Yae, Chev, Fischl is fantastic dps. You need to stop coping and doomposting. I was hitting pretty damn hard with Yae, not as much as my Yae quickbloom with Furina, but still, WAYYYYY harder than I thought I would be able to do. @@lostblueboy
@@lostblueboyYae is very flexible. Personally, while I play her in a dendro team, I really love on field Yae with Thoma, since his flame arc covers the same ground as her attacks.
My current Favorite team with her is Bennett, Fischl, Chevreuse, Xiangling. Fischl and Xiangling have their usual build (with no em), Chevreuse runs noblesse and Bennett is built with damage using a Golden Troupe set
I really disagree with the fact that restricting team building to balance a unit’s power level is a bad design choice or limits team building. It limits you from using the usual suspects (Kazuha, ZL, etc) sure, but often it opens up using characters in new ways (like a Xiangling built for damage being used without Bennett for once with Chevreuse) or using characters that are kind of bad everywhere else, but are situationally good in the restricted teams (Barbara and Candace in Nilou teams). That to me makes team building more interesting
If you don’t want to play a meta unit than don’t do so, it’s really not that hard. But don’t encourage a gacha game to release niche units who have a passive that forces them one archetype that can easily be hard-counter or replaced. This is like causal players who want powercreep in a open world exploration game because “WAAAAAA I DONT LIKE USING A UNIT THAT GOOD AND IS A FOUR STAR”
I'd like to point out something about the Yoimiya team, Thoma works exceptionally well with her because he provides the shield, which when used with a normal attacking character rivals Zhongli/Layla shields, and he buffs normals at c6. (Makes use of Bolide Yoimiya then if you wanted Petra for support Navia/Ningguang too).
thoma provides a shield and nothing else, the c6 buff is minor. beidou provides better damage, some shield, some DR, and electro resonance when paired with fischl.
@@raulmaltrain6893 You can trade in Beidou depending on what you have in your account. One being better doesn't disprove the other can be used. The buff is still a buff and still exists. Thoma still works.
Pleasantly surprised how well she performs at C0. I'm not gonna be pulling on the banners atm, so here's hoping we get her for free in an event like Freminet. Might be possible since the film event kinda teased us that they might expand on her character later. Big ups to Zajef and the editing team for these videos, and good luck to the Chevreuse wanters out there.
Restrictive but good in certain niche its actually good 4* design, imo. That's why i like Chevreuse kit, but dislike Nilou kit. 5* should be more versatile. And this is should be main difference between 5* and 4*.
that last team with yae, fischl, chevreuse, xiangling was my first thought when i heard her kit and i made a comment on your first video discussing her so im glad i actually cooked and wasn't a complete moron. another upside to that team btw is yae has EM scaling built into her kit which allows her to use EM sands to do good talent damage
You can't maintain the 6 seconds passive since you're not doing overloads, VV has 10 seconds Also Kazuha swirl buff lasts 18 seconds with his Q while Chevy lasts 8 but it's 20% more DMG bonus
@@nexuhs. VV shred doesn't reproc with Kazuha's Q when he's off-field btw, and Kazuha in a Raiden hyper team has to be on-field to reapply electro VV shred whereas Chev's pyro/electro shred can be applied when she's off-field so long anyone (on-field/off-field triggers overload), this means hyper Raiden Chev rotations would be like Raiden E -> Chev EQ -> C6Bennett EQ -> Sara EQ -> Raiden pyroN1Q (Chev C6 Bennett and Sara and Raiden w/ C6 Bennett can all trigger overload which means by the time you cast all your buffs and swap to Raiden who will then pyro infuse N1 inside C6Bennett's burst to refresh the shred before she uses Q can make use of the full 6 seconds electro shred Which is about the same amount of time Raiden makes use of Kazuha's VV swirl shred since standard Raiden Kazuha rotations are Raiden E -> Kazuha EQ -> Bennett EQ -> Sara EQ - Raiden Q (by the time you press Raiden Q you already used up 4 out of the 10 seconds of the VV electro shred after kazuha goes off-field so you're left with 6 seconds which is the same amount of time chev's shred provides, pair that Chev also provides 1% ATK boost for every 1000HP for all pyro and electro characters in the party for 30 seconds, which caps at 40% ATK = 40,000 HP Chev, on average most people building Chev will reach 30K HP easily which is already 30% ATK I think C0 Chev is a good side-grade to Kazuha for Pyro/Electro teams and C6 Chev is better in those teams than Kazuha, this also means it frees Kazuha to be playable on the other half teams that want Kazuha (for Abyss, or for combat events with multiple teams are required) right now I'm running C0 Raiden C6 Bennett C6 Sara C0 Chev in 1st half of floor 12 and all my 2nd half teams who want Kazuha are really happy that he's there Yes I know Sucrose and other Anemo units who can carry VV exist but majority of my playtime is spent with Kazuha in those teams so having the freedom to play Kazuha on those teams while my C0 Chev is taking care of my pyro/electro carry teams is very liberating for my account and not having to just play dendro/hyperbloom or Sucrose teams on the 2nd half, which tbf are still good but I like having more and more variety.
One of my fav C0 Chev teams rn I run on 1st half floor 12 is C0 Yoimiya C0 Chev C6 Bennett C6 Fischl and my C0 Kazuha is free to run around with whatever 2nd half team that I want
@@Gimu_san Thank you for reminding me about Bennett C6. I was considering just going Xiangling over Bennett for the off-field Pyro but I really wanted to go nuts with the hypercarry and the Pyro-infused normal right before Raiden burst is the missing piece of the puzzle.
Ngl I prefer this version of the 1st impressions videos compared to the others. It feels like a combination of both the 1st impression vids and the post release vids, making a very informative 1st impressions masterpiece 👌
Zajef most likely wouldn't like any character that has team restriction such as this Chev, just like when he gave impressions on Nilou's restriction. I can cleary see it, despite his bias or anything, he prefer a char that's flexible in team comp. Maybe he wanna position himself as f2p players perspective.
i wouldnt like a restrictive chara as a f2p either.means i cant use my invested chara in more teams, meaning i have to build more charas,making it more expensive...
I don't know about the whole F2P perspective thing, I think it is simply as he said it. Having characters that basically don't function outside of a very specific niche limits the options players have with teams they use them in. Has nothing to do with F2P or not, simply that you aren't gonna be using this character outside of specific situations.
From a f2p perspective she is amazing since this banner gives you a fully functioning raiden team. Alternatively you can swap bennett for xiangling if you got her c4. Zajef is kinda theorycrafting for his own account and others who have similar "f2p but playing since launch" resources which is completely different from new players who won't have 4* cons on 1.0 characters. Best new player advice rn is to grind story and exploration and then pull on a banner you like to get a team you enjoy and this banner fits that bill pretty well. Raiden is still decent and the 4*s all support her. For people who are still newish and are looking to take their account in a more focused direction the only real advice is going into theorycrafting communities and getting their account evaluated. General advice doesnt work much in genshin as rng makes all accounts different and it takes a bit of time for there to be patterns of characters that most people have(if they go for them).
If she didnt have the team element restriction, people would start doing overvape teams, like HuTao Yelan Fischl Chevy, which is a great option and wouldn't even be better than double hydro options Also she could replace Bennett on Raiden national, making overvape work again but wouldn't have a buff like Bennett provides. If she didn't have restrictions she could be better than Bennett in some situations
You can still do overvape, the Anemo unit will be shredding resist and all you lose from Chev's passive is the resist shred if you have non electro/pyro...so it's really not bad at all. She heals, so you can use any anemo that you'd like with her.
@@marcusaurelius4777 but her main point was not relying on having to be on field for the passive to work, unlike VV, so if you're planning on using an anemo teammate then overvape doesn't work since you need Offield pyro and Chevy can't do that
She probably wouldn't have the same C6, and likely a worse res shred because Hoyo would not want us stacking dmg bonuses with low price nor want us stack up resistance shreds to an insane degree, even if resistance reductions get halved below zero. So the restriction basically enables this level of utility and strength in Chevreuse's kit. A theoretical cryo kazuha that only buffs cryo damage bonus and melt dmg bonus would buff to a higher degree than the Kazuha we are familiar with. The less flexible they are, the stronger they are in the few teams they can be in. The more flexible and universal a character is, the less power their utility or damage holds, but there are exceptions. It's fair for Chevreuse to have team restrictions. That's what warranted Hoyo to ramp up the feasibility of her kit, C0 to C6 with high utility and low effort to do so.
I was going to skip her due to high pity, but then the Xianyun kit leaks left me uninterested in getting her, so I went for Raiden and some cons for my c4 Sara. And Chevy came home 7 times over 90 pulls like the legend she is! I'm having such a great time experimenting with her teams. So far I've been mostly reviving my long-benched Yafei, but I'm excited for the Lyney combos as well.
You can build Chevy to work in teams that are not just pyro/electro, you just have to accept losing a part of her kit and use her for the rest of her kit. Similar to EM Raiden only being used for her E and ER buff. So with Chevy you lose the res shred but still have the healing, attack buff, and her personal damage ramp as long as overloads still happen. Personally I'm building her as an Overload Pyro DPS with EM/CV crimson witch and Staff of Scarlet Sands, She only has about 20kHP(closer to 25k once she is fully built) but she has almost 700EM and 1600attack before external buffs. The team I'm starting out with for her is EM Kuki, C6 Bennet, and Fischl with the Elegy. I could also use Kuki, Kazuha, and Nahida for an Overburn team with Chevy being the pyro provider for burn extended by Kazuha Q and swirl for the res shred with VV and Kuki as the main Overload trigger with Nahida ramping the burn, and provided Kazuha is C2 then both he and Nahida ramp EM. Chevy's attack buff is not as important here, but it still boosts damage across the rotation, and she loses the res shred but this is still a good team for her to run a personal DPS build as a Burst DPS.
On Nilou's case she also forces you to bring a healer to counter the self damage you are dealing to yourself, also the reaction dynamic between Dendro and Hydro forces you to make another hydro character to stack EM to trigger the blooms to pull the most damage out of it. With Chevrolet you don't really need the healer, she is the whole buffing and utility package, overload doesn't care who comes first (unless you want an elemental mastery unit to fit in and be the trigger) so you have way more freedom on who you bring to the table from both elements, overload is bad sure but at least against bosses the bad part of it is gone, and when you need to run around chasing characters she also brings the dash stamina reduction passive. So yeah, she has that, oNlY tHiS eLeMeNtS team restriction, but she doesn't ask for the others to accommodate her (not even her shred requires her onfield presence and the attack buff lasts for 30s!) and everyone that joins that team can be use as themselves, instead of being forced to an EM build and sustain the team with healing and dendro. So I hope if this trend continues on future characters, they be more like Chevy and not Nilou.
I prefarmed her whole support build without even having a plan for her team in mind, thinking I'd play her with Yoi or Raiden... but I ended up giving her a dps build and using her in a quickswap nuke team with Sara (also on a dps build) , Fischl and Bennett. It's not a GOOD team, but it's so fun and I have enough investment to make it work.
A note for Yoimiya teams - against a lot of bosses, who tend to have slow telegraphed attacks, you can easily run her with Bennet and thoughtful positioning. There are wide enough windows to unload a bunch of attacks before you need to dodge and with a C6 Fischl, this comp shreds (literally and figuratively). If you need to dodge a lot, then I'd rather play her with a proper shielder in a vape or mono pyro comp anyway.
she needed a restrictive passive or she would be insanely busted shes already very good and most likely lined up for future characters im assuming she will age amazingly. I dont think your point about her being restrictive is fair at all when she already provides pretty much everything a support could ever want and not to mention shes a four star so shes so much easier to get.
Dude… sadly with how many characters there are, making restrictions like this actually opens up more teams and creativity that the meta wouldn’t allow otherwise. It’s sad you can’t see that as a content creator
Creative = Not being allowed to play with 5 whole elements, yes very creative design, I hope next units we get lets us only use hydro and electro units, so creative it makes me want to spend money on this great game…
@@ChAnTAxR There are many characters that you can use in morbillion different teams but you effectively still don't use them because it feels like shit. It doesn't matter if a character is so niche if they open up new teams that are good. Ironically Zajef himself has Chevreuse on his "would love on a banner" list now.
Having a unit that can replace bennet or kazuha or at least be close to them in terms of buff is what a buffer has to be in my opinion, i often find my self with a lot of damage dealers and lacking some support units, so just for that chevreusse is very good in my opinion
Only replace them in overload team, and mainly boss killing overload team, Kazuha’s flexible grouping capability is still hard to replace But then there are so many very strong boss killing team that are much cheaper to build or deal more dmg + better defense utility than the current overload boss killing team options which include Chevreusse Not a bad unit, but definitely not as good as people claim her to be, she’s in Kuki’s situation back in Inazuma except she’s not garbage tier
@@episode4882 "in terms of buff" she deserved all the praise she got, last time a 4 star c0 that has a good enough buff utility got released it needs 300 ER She's basically Gorou that has a bit better buff/debuff + a LOT more team to choose
While you have all the right to not like Chevreuse (Or Nilou) because of her "restrictive team" building, it's very important to know that not every character HAS to fit every box. I think that's a very flawed way of looking at character designs, because then it eliminated this sort of creativity and niche setups. Personally I love that there is a unit which buffs one specific reaction, and I want more of this type of specific team building setups. Let's be real, we are all bored of the same "fits all box Xiangling go brr" setups. We need more of these niche setups, altho I'd argue that they need to make these niches better. I think Chevreuse doesn't do ENOUGH to make Overload worth it, the way Nilou superbloom does. TL;DR Looking at Nilou and Chevreuse as "restrictive team" building is a very negative and flawed way to looks at things, since it elimates the possiblity to have these archetypes, or interest thereof. You should look at it as rather a niche and specific archetype, instead of a restriction. Because using Benny as a goto buffer is just... boring. But yes, these niches need better designs/more to offer.
Respectfully, this is a shit take, I know this comment is old and all, but I think it’s important to note that being specialized ≠ restrictive I get where you are coming from, I don’t think everyone want to play the same units day after day, but.. 1. That’s for people who don’t care for meta, if that’s you, then why are you here, just play your favorite character. 2. There is no reason for her to literally have a passive that makes its so that you can’t play her with 5 other elements(you know over half the roster) that’s isn’t “creative or fun” that’s just boring and bland. 3. Farazan has a lot focus on Anemo buffing, but she ain’t considered bad design, because she is still a unit you can run outside of Xiao and Wander teams, TF Farazan or use her as a general Anmeo unit for grouping and sub dmg. These teams aren’t better than her main job as a anemo hyper carry buffer, but they feel good unlike playing a c0 cheveruse in a vape team where you might as well play her just cause you want the friend ship xp or something If they want to release more units with kits designed around specific interactions, than they should not do passives that force you, just give you a reason to incentive it, like they did with units like Navia, Nevu, Lyeny. Let’s not even get into the fact this is a gacha game that gives 50 wishes a patch, and you want new units to be playable in one team type that can get hard counter easily? Let’s be smart about this
I’ve tested her with Raiden, Sara and Bennett and I honestly love the team 🤣 I’m not here to be sweaty gamer or to be some meta player, but I honestly love it
While her kit is a bit restrictive, it also means that she get more valuable with every pyro or electro character release... like Arlechino and Clorinde which are probably not too far down the road. Also, I think at this point, hoyo has to get more niche with their new characters unless they release new elements or reactions. I'm personally enjoying seeing these kits that revolve around very specific playstyles. At this point, most players have a few great teams that do everything they NEED already.
I found the 4* released since Kirara pretty good. I often find myself using Kirara over Baizhu (who's pretty well-invested), just because she's a lot of fun. My Kirara is not C4 either, so not even that good at applying dendro, but she's really good with quick swap teams, which many electro units can do rather easily. Freminet, while constricted by physical, can still work pretty well with melt, and Furina did help him quite a lot, even freeing Xingqiu for the other team, since he just needs consistent hydro application, but not as much as Xingqiu does anyway. Charlotte, I think, is probably one that surprised me the most - her burst can max out fanfare stacks easy and fast, even with talent level 1 (granted, mine is C3, but I think you really only need C1 for good healing). I got a fair share of use out of the free (C0) Lynette we got in 4.0 - she's really fun to use imo, and worked well enough in the Abyss for me. Now we get Chevreuse and soon, Gaming, who is also looking like a competent C0 character. I really like the 4* we have gotten since Kirara. They've all been usable and pretty good even at C0 or lower cons like C1, which is really good going forward. (I also really like Kaveh's kit and I will stand by it even though he's nowhere near as good lmao, that said he does kinda need C6 to work so I don't think it's fair including him)
C6 Chevreuse is better than Xiangling when built for damage on Lyney's team with kazuha and no electro. Fk overload just build her for damage output. It's stronger than Xiangling by far because she doesn't lengthen your rotation.
It is a source of some anxiety how we talk about constellations. For example I have c0 raiden and I feel there is zero point playing her as hypercarry without c2. Why? Of course it won't do nearly as much damage but what if its still the best team damage wise I can put together. I feel like we should put more emphasis on announcing which constellations are required to make certain teams work vs just a dmg increase.
Nice to see that we have a 4 star actually worth building after quite a while 😭. The pyro/electro exclusively thing is a bummer since I don't...run any overload teams. I'm not pulling on the Raiden or Yoimiya banner, so I'm not gonna get a Chevreuse, but perhaps in the future she might have a more solid place in teams that are actually worth using.
she can still be useful outside of pyro + electro teams as she buffs atk, has cc on her burst (yes, she does), generates particles more convenient than bennet (more per E), heals and buffs atk.
The atk buff only applies to pyro and electro, her heals are never the reason you bring her, her ulti cc is about the same as bennet's and his particle generation is far more consistent, especially in national teams where you have time to funnel XL so can run lower ER and more damage.
@@Sam-up4ul something of this is just wrong, check pks before you say. She has cc, the bombs push mobs towards the center, no matter where it's positioned. I don't say you bring her for healing, but that's on of her many bonuses for the team. Atk buff has it's benefits as it's teamwide and applies to every character, even not on-field, it also doesn't involve circle impact. For energy generation, it's worse if you can constantly swap to bennet, but far better when you can't, which is the case with many hypercarry teams, she gives many frontloaded particles. If we're talking about constellation 6 it's another story, just 60 unconditional dmg bonus to all electro and pyro. I don't say she's better than bennet, but she's surprisingly competitive with him.
@@-miromax-5349the atk bonus is not to all, only to pyro and electro. C6 is not unconditional, it gives 1 stack when chevy heals the character, meaning you'll have at most 1 stack on sub-dps on 1st rotation, and 2 from 2nd rotation onward; only the onfielder gets the full 60%.
So not sure if this a popular opinion but I use Ei, Chevreuse, Bennett and Lyney as a sniper team. 1. Raiden, 2. Lyney charge then back up. 3. Chevreuse, 4. Lyney charge shots. If they get close or try to mob, burst away.
Got her C0 and I didn’t realize she works so well with Lyney who I have at C0 with his signature. I’m happy she’s a Kazuha replacement because as much as I love Kazuha, I don’t want him to be the main buffer in so many of my teams lol
Been playing her at C6 with Raiden Fischl Xiangling, and in a Yoimiya team as well. Raiden is a fantastic team, works well, overload knocking enemies around doesn't matter as much because without Bennett you're not playing circle impact. My Xiangling is only C3 so I don't have the full pyronado, but the team feels absolutely cracked. Yoimiya didn't work so well, you need something else defensive on top of Chev, and if you want to run two electro units instead of 3 pyro, you basically only have Beidou. I have a C2 Dehya that I could use too, but Beidou's ER requirements as the only electro unit is very cringe.
I would say, for those who have her C6, her A1 passive becomes somewhat irrelevant on certain teams that aren't Overload only. Teams like OverVape could potentially be better with Chevreuse than with Bennett, and the same goes for Aggravate+Overload (I dubbed it *Salsa*). In Salsa, the Spiel should be that you gain Overloads alongside your Aggeavates, but with Chevreuse that won't be the case after the initial setup, which may sound like wasting your Pyro slot until you get the 60% Electro DMG bonus and 40% ATK.
I want to sort of point out that her res-shred is 40% which is the same as VV. So you CAN use her without her passive as long as you bring a vv. So there are other team comps.
The restrictions are a good idea I think, its a way to create very strong teams that require SPECIFIC characters, and a path they should go down more. Otherwise whenever a new DPS or whatever comes out its like "lets take this attack DPS and stick them with the usual suspects, Bennet, Xialing, kazuha, Furina, ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZ." but if theyre like "+a huge amount to characters that have birthdays on tuesday only" you can be like oh hey, now I can use that shity four stars with birthdays on tuesday who never gets any air time because they specifically are being buffed up to benet like lvls". Its a good way to bring out more unique and individual team comps. Id rather that than just more power creep people who replace older units cause they're better everywhere
Honestly a unit that can free up xingu or an anemo unit or both while still having the team be a small downgrade or a side grade is kinda insane for a four star at C0, her value pretty much entirely lies in freeing up better units in abyss which can be quite helpful
Pretty uncommon and don't recommend, but I'm using her with a DPS Beidou and a C6 Bennet, so Beidou applies both Electro and Pyro every attack which is pretty cool (then either fish/sara)
raiden has been my EM bot since nahida came out, but I finally gave her some dps artifacts just to try with chevreuse 😊 it's been fun playing her on field again
Yoimiya Chevreuse Raiden Bennett solves yoimiyas aoe issues. Every time you ult with yoimiya you just swap to raiden ult and start hitting targets that are marked with yoimiyas ult, her ult jumps from target to target. I find this a very comfortable team to play with her.
Lyney is a character that really wishes Chevy was electro instead of pyro. Since we lack a good electro shielder, it leaves Lyney without the ideal teammate when you want Benny, Chev, and Lyney. If we had an electro Layla, that would be great, but we don't. But if Chev was the electro, then Dehya or Tankfei could be used. I think these issues kind of hold her back in general. Built for support, she lacks damage, so now you kind of want to make that up elsewhere, but her healing also isn't great, so you want a defensive option as well. And that's what makes the team restrictions feel tight, rather than natural.
I think they're only gonna get more restrictive in the Chevy/Nilou style as the game goes on. With so many characters its gonna get increasingly hard for Hoyo to make strong but not accidentally completely broken OP team combos unless they forcibly restrict the team possibilities into their own little niches like this.
Is the new support set viable on her? Will zajef do a video talking about this artifacts? I don't know if it worth for Charlotte, Mika, etc instead Noblesse
Question: Is Raiden, Chev, Xiang, Sara C6 a bad option? Is Sara's buff, resonance and benefit of being able to run across the map (specially in an overload team) overshadowed by Bennett buff + Xiang's snapshot pyronado?
I think the problem there would be the major drop off in healing, plus Sara being in generally more clunky. Buff-wise, the effect can be about equal, since Sara could manage to provide the buff for both Xiangling and Raiden, just that's where the clunkiness in Sara's kit lies. Electro synergy won't matter much of the time because you're using Raiden's burst, though it can if you do something like use Raiden's burst and the first hit wipes out the enemies, leaving you with nothing to melee for the rest of it. But I'd do something like run Instructor's or Fav(s) if that was an issue.
From my understanding this is actually a pretty good team, mostly for the reasons you mentioned. Jamie, a well recpected tc, put out a community post about it’s potential, and genshin noir did some calcs on it in a recent vid.
I'll just say that my Chevreuse that I just got, with level 20/40 and no artifacts whatsoever, WORKS pretty well as a Xingqiu replacement for Rational team. Just ascend her once and she's good to go here. Heck she doesn't even need to be on field when I tried this🤣
Man is there any team that Xiangling doesn't take advantage of🤣🤣 I can't wait for that day when I take my Xiangling to battle the Celestia it would be hilarious af...🤣🤣😭😭🤣🤣 Never thought the cute lady I met in the outskirts of Mondstad be this deadly🎉🎉💯💯🤣🤣
Seems that the general consensus is that she's far better than most theory crafters anticipated. Commonly I saw them saying that she was gonna be dog water and serve no purpose because "Overloaded is too awful to work with".
Overload is still "too awful to work with", but having transfrom Overload to a VV RES SHRED is a fresh Idea, a good one at that. Now, let's see what Chiori has for Crystalize reaction.
Took me 64 wishes to get her but at least I did before 5* pity. I would have had to stop if I didn’t. So far trying her with Raiden has felt pretty good, but I’ll have to try that Yae variant too! I’m a little undecided if I like her kit or not. But I love her design visually at least, and skill/burst FEEL good to use despite the low numbers lol.
You could already play KQ without Dendro, and it was really bad. You would just be trading 40% from swirl for to 40% from overload, which is more obnoxious and comes from a character with no off field DPS. If your Bennett is C6? RIP. Sounds like an exercise in frustration.
A 4 star usable at C0 is a win these days
but most of the new ones are?
yao yao? amazing at c0, cons do nothing special
freminet? as good as a 4* onfield dps can get, flexible with teams due to phys/cryo/rev.melt options
layla? great shielder for freeze teams with a bit more damage than diona, without the healing, but better off field application.
linnette? decent vv holder in a team without grouper needs.
charlotte? great healer for furina freeze teams
faruzan? great anemo buffer, but with 300ER requirements at c0.
kirara? decent dendro applier+shielder for quicken teams
the ones that are dubious, where they have at best one team where they are not a downgrade are kaveh, candace, dori...
@@raulmaltrain6893freminet is meh no one uses him at C0
wow almost as if characters are actually ment to be played @@raulmaltrain6893
@@raulmaltrain6893 Don't stop people from whining. Everything is bad with the game, didn't you know? 😆
@@raulmaltrain6893 so far everyhting after kirara they found a good balance. better than most 5 stars at c6, usable at c0. though pre fontaine, some of them had INSANE ER requirements and their main functionality locked behind burst. im looking at you faruzan.
Genshin community be like: "Niche is when I can't use character with kazuha bennett xq"
Despite her restrictive passive, imo she still genuinely is a pretty good 4*, especially if you compare her with other 4* characters that were released post 1.0. In some cases she allows you to set free xq or kazuha for the other side, which is also a good thing.
The restrictive passive isn't a problem to her power level. It's just that she does close to nothing unless you fully commit to pyro and electro team and that feels bad
She's not pretty good, she's amazing lol. She's legit up there with the release four stars with how much she does. She heals, shreds resistance for TWO elements for free where any unit can proc and refresh it...she offers healing, with a team heal at C6, she offers energy to the team per rotation with C1, a 40 percent attack buff just by herself, with 20 percent more with Noblesse if you decide to use that, and she does fantastic personal damage for a four star. She offers 60 percent elemental damage boost at C6 which just a mere 15 below a C0 FURINA. She's fucking GOATed because her power budget was evenly split through her entire kit and cons...she doesn't have a shitty constellation, nor is C6 gated like all of the Sumeru 4 stars, nor is she energy hungry like the Inazuma four stars with shit damage (Sayu, Thoma, Kuki without hyperbloom, etc...).
It's restrictive but rightfully so I mean it's a whole artifact set on top of her giving 30-40 atk%
yes its restrictive since its only electro and pyro. but with that restriction she bring the same as VV Shreed and atk buff for whole team. i mean if she able to compare to Succrose and Kazuha she is that good. and her cons will bring her buff energy or personal dmg as package is a plus. she really a better *4 since that been release since..... Rosaria or Kuki (because Hyperbloom)
TL;DR she is sure a niche since she restrictive, but she REALLY GOOD at those niche. if people saying restrictive team comp bad its just like saying Lyney or Nilou is bad, and they arent.
@@arunjosephshadrach9539I mean, she's made for overload and they told us from the beginning. That's the same case as dedicated supports and some other cases like kuki in hyperbloom or thoma in burgeon. It doesn't really limit her power, it just makes her more restrictive to which teams you should play her on. At least she brought back a useless reaction.
If she didn't "hinder your creativity" you would just slap her on a team with Xingqiu.
Lmfao so true
this is so true
Which is why restrictions often dont hinder creativity because you have to think of creative solutions to work around the restrictions.
I've done a fair bit of abyss testing with her. Zajef is spot on For Raiden and Yae teams (sometimes boths), Xianglin feels like the better unit to pair with her. It was cutting side 1 clears down by a good 10 seconds. Not having to play circle impact is a great benefit. Especially for bosses that you have to chase. Honestly I think locking power behind restrictive team building is a good thing. The reason every four star character and some c0 five star characters feel bad when stacked up against the majority of 1.0 ensemble is because the original character all have a very high power ceiling with very little restrictive team building. That's why the majority of the 1.0 and 2.0 meta was find DPS with the biggest club and pair them with XQ or XL. People were complaining about c6 bennet because it restricts some of his teams. Fontaine characters feel great to build and play and will stay relevant because they enable niches (healers, mono, crystallise, overload) that just weren't viable before. I haven't had so much fun building characters in a long time because insert (OG character isn't the best option for this team). More fun than the introduction of Dendro, which just felt like a they power crept transformative reactions to the point where bloom teams became the best default. That said I'm also a 1.0 player so have been playing with the OG cast a long time.
A support that almost have everything, despite the restriction teams. ATK buff, DMG buff (at c6), healing and resistance shred.
I think this character is an A tier character on release who will probably age like fine wine with Natlan. She allows you to play kazuha on the other side of abyss and great for boss enemies.
The only issue is that currently her teams are pretty singlet target impact which leaves out one of the reasons you wanted to play kazu anyway. Not the pog damage but the grouping.
Maybe we just need a more aoe focused carry for her like arlechinno.
@@wilburforce8046Much more often than not, grouping is irrelevant because you are fighting big mobs that can't be grouped.
It's only really relevant in speedrunning.
I think that whole "Play Kaz on the other side" thing is overblown. Look at Sucrose usage rate in the Abyss. It's garbage. And yet she's regarded as a very powerful four star, with the various catalyst weapon options, and is one without the teaming restrictions. People already build teams that don't need/want Kaz. And that's what they'll use over having to deal with building electro/pyro characters they wouldn't otherwise use to pair with Chev.
As far as aging goes, it is a double sided sword. On one hand, with time, you will have more character options that go with her. But conversely, you'll also have more character options that don't go with her. And the odds of those 5/7th offering more overall rewarding team building options than the 2/7ths she does pair with... well, just remember people said that "get better with more options" thing about Lithic weapons as well. Then there's the Natlan copium. Natlan will probably have a gimmick, since that looks to be the way of Genshin these days. If that gimmick isn't Overload related, then likely it'll result in new characters that don't want Chev on the team.
Now, is it all doom and gloom for Chev? Nope. She has some nice options now, and future-wise, all it takes is one "right character" for Chev to shine, much like how Kuki's hyperbloom status.
Sucrose suddenly seems to be forgotten
@@Axterix13 Sucroses usage is bad because she feels terrible to play compared to kazuha and lacks his grouping, damage and selffocused targeting.
Unless you onfield her(in which case you gotta deal with her NA animations) she just isnt comparable to kazuha.
Imagine how wild she would have been if her passive allowed dendro units in the teamcomp.
Flashbacks to when Dehya was rumoured to be a burgeon/burning dps 😭
@@snowparodyhonestly crazy how they made two hyperbloom dps in cyno and al haitham, but not burgeon at all. I guess Al haitham works for burgeon, but also not really
@Personpersonpersonperson Thoma is really good there at least. Lot of fun too.
That's what I've been thinking. In the 2nd event stage I played overburn and it was fun as heck. I get why they didn't want her to be paired with hydro or anemo, but at least let her work with dendro.
@@Personpersonpersonperson That's technically Nilou - her Bountiful Blooms are essentially Burgeon with, ironically enough, more restrictions but less effort (Barbara/DMC/Collei/Nilou is a solid team and 3 of the 4 characters are free. Stack EM on Barbara with some HP on the side, use her as your driver and watch everything explode).
Edit: There was a ton of extra stuff that didn't add much to the convo, so I tossed it.
Bosses like the Hydro Tulpa raise the value of Chevreuse
I think it's the restrictive passive that actually forces you to play characters you otherwise wouldn't, and focus in on a certain playstyle. We've had enough 8x elemental reaction teams in the last year since Dendro came out that seeing a unit that emphasizes a very underutilized reaction is cool. Much better on a 4-star unit than a 5-star.
Restricted 4*s are to be expected: gorou, mika, sara, faruzan etc. By comparison, Chevy is an extremely versatile unit because she buffs TWO elements instead of one. Part of what makes Nilou so bad is you're paying tons of pulls/dollars to play restricted teams. I'll get a chevy eventually by accident, and it'll be a pleasant surprise and then I can play weird overload teams.
@@undeniablySomeGuy you do know that even cope nilou teams are good enough to clear?
She builds her own team from just f2p units and has 0 overlap with the desired 4*s.
Compare her to any other single 5* team and she clears most of them, add a second 5* which for nilou is nahida and she gets even better.
You don't need kokomi for her.
They were backed into a corner. They couldn't let you have both VV shred and Chev shred on the same team, because it'd be way too strong (shred tends to scale parabolically with itself)
As a wise man once said, "restrictions breed creativity." Chevreuse's elemental restriction encourages you to think about using characters you wouldn't otherwise.
That said, like the other guy said, Nilou is far from restrictive; she's actually one of the least restrictive 5-stars. She works with pretty much every Hydro and Dendro character out there, including the F2P ones, whereas many other 5-stars need specific teammates to work.
@@luminous3558First. Nilo IS restrictive. You can only use 2 elements with her thats the definition of restriction. Also she theoretically doesn't need 5 star characters just like Kuki theoretically didn't need Dendro. Her power level skyrocket once you have Nahida, and your rotations get way faster once you also get Kokomi.
I love her and Nilou's restrictions. They get creative teams that aren't just the same BiS units. Nilou enables characters that are otherwise bad such as Collei and Barbara to shine, which I think is awesome.
Chevreuse enables herself to be a great 4* at C0 in her niche. Instead of wishing for her to be another universal Xingqiu-like unit that you can play with the Xingqiu you already have, making 3/4ths the same teams we already had but with 1.5% more sheeted dps in some situations... I prefer this by a large margin. 😇
Thanks for the showcase, I hope we get to see more Chevreuse and a dive into her rotations!
It's true that her passive is restrictive to overload team, but I don't think it's limiting creativity. More like it's the other way around. Not most players will use pyro and electro characters together, but with Chevy you can let your imagination wander to take advantage of her utility with overload teams. She also can work to some degree like Bennett and Kazuha in terms of buffing and debuffing and that's huge given that these two characters are always must-haves on many teams.
The reason why I recently enjoyed using Fontaine characters liker Furina, Navia, and her was because they allowed me to use healers and crystallize and overload reactions efficiently which I wouldn't use without them at this point in the game.
I think glossing over Yanfei here was a huge oversight. Just had the easiest 1st try 36* Abyss randomly deciding to try Yanfei + Chevreuse. Here's why:
1.) Yanfei has deceptively MASSIVE f@ck!ng range. Girl can charge attack enemies almost half an abyss chamber away, making circle impact with Benny not a problem even with 15 knockbacks from overload.
2.) If played correctly, can sprint and charge attack without using stamina, making her versatile VS any enemy attack pattern.
3.) She applies so much goddamn Pyro with crit that you will NEVER lose pyro aura, meaning you can run something like EM Raiden just for stagger / overload dmg and Raiden will ALWAYS be the one triggering.
Raiden Chevy Benny all have super low investment cost in this team. Your dmg is just Yanfei + Raiden Overloads. So if you already like Yanfei enough to invest in her, she's all you need to invest in. Artifacts are flexible with Wandering Troupe / Lavawalker / Crimson Witch / Shimenawa / Marechaussee all being decent options.
Now I know it's an overall weak abyss right now, but I can't stress enough how easy my Yanfei side was. Made my aggravate team on the other side feel sweaty in comparison.
Yoimiya, Chevreuse, Fishle, Beidou...I am a little bit afraid for Yoimiya to not join their one-eye cult, wish she will not choose a fork.
This made me laugh
Despite how resticted she may seem, she is honestly so much more flexible than other 4 star supports like Yun Jin, Mika, Kujo Sara, Gorou, etc.
On top of that, her ease of build rivals Bennett and her support rivals kazuha which is insane on its own, but the fact that shes complete and perfectly fine at C0 makes me believe shes the best 4 star since Kuki by far
She's not very restrictive at all, you can make a LOT of teams, she literally makes Overload viable, if not pretty damn good since most Abyss floors have heavy ass mobs that can't be tossed around, anyways...and, it's still CC because it pushes mobs back from Yanfei, Lyney, Yae, etc... and literally gives Dehya her first actual non cope team with Lyney or Yanfei because of the resistance interruption and off field pyro app that's slow, so it's great for Overload and keeping up the passives lol. That's pretty damn amazing for a FOUR star to be doing.
By the way, she's not restrictive since you can still use an anemo, you just don't get the resist shred, but you still get it since you are using VV on an anemo anyways, you still get the healing, damage buff from C6 and the attack buff... so it's really not restricting her since you gain back what you "lost" anyways.
@@marcusaurelius4777 its not overloads thats made viable, u dont build the teams for overload. Overload is just a means to an end for her to increase the teams raw dmg numbers
@@marcusaurelius4777 Only pyro and electro characters get the atk buff, and if you included her and say kazuha, you still need an electro and then who else? That would be an incredibly scuffed team comp.
@@Sam-up4ul That's a pretty normal team comp. Healer + VV + DPS + SubDPS is a pretty archetypal team building strategy
I hope we can get a good off field Pyro applier other than XL to diversifie our teams a bit more xO
Gonna wait for the Pyro archon for that it seems
I'd say Arle copium, but I said the same thing about Dehya, so I'll just shut up I think.
As I'm not a fan of VV and vaporize, Chevreuse kinda helps me with my skill issues. Her buffs trigger condition is so easy
12:44 I think it's just the opposite - restrictions and opportunity cost are what drive players creativity. In General. The problem is that Genshin is a very simple game in structure, which does not have many options to circumvent these limitations.
Freeing up Kazuha, heck, even being compared equally to Kazuha is a great win, even with the restrictions in place. And hey, playing some new teams could be fun, finally Overload is given a chance.
Now, how about burning...
I actually think Chevreuse’s team restriction was done in a much better way than Nilou’s, especially if you consider her “complete” kit at C6.
Since Nilou is basically only a walking passive, there’s zero reason to use her outside of Hydro/Dendro teams, which makes her restriction much more suffocating in terms of team building.
Chevreuse on the other hand still has her 20-40 Atk% buff, healing, mini grouping, personal damage (C4), and 20-60 Dmg% buff (C6) if you break her restriction. This makes it viable to break the restriction, turning it into more of a trade-off: Do you want her 40% res shred, or the power of Vaporize/Aggravate/stronger grouping + Swirls.
If Chevreuse didn’t have this restriction I think she would actually be more straightforward and boring, and potentially just broken. When they make restricted kits in future I’d definitely want Chevreuse over Nilou
hold my vishap
Her healing is minor. Her personal damage means you reduce the atk buff% and takes up on-field time that can be better spent elsewhere typically. The atk% buff is limited to pyro and electro characters only. The C6 buff requires on-field time to build up. Her grouping might as well not exist. And then you have ease of use restrictions, where you potentially have to change up your rotation to get that Overload in. The pyro can mess up things, like burning away dendro app, which limits dendro character options. The character slot she's typically competing for is a buffer/debuffer slot. So she's the character getting the boot that results in the team being non-pyro/electro only.
Basically, the more diverse the team, the lower the benefits, the more the hassles, and the greater the opportunity cost. Like I'd sooner toss in a hydro into an aggravate team, going Quickbloom, than Chev. Fewer hassles, stronger character options (hiya, Furina!).
She's fantastic for a modern 4* character.
Never expected it to enjoy overload even more with yoimiya, raiden and fischl combo.
I think is contradictory to say Chevreuse kit restriction limits creativity, because let's be honest, core National team comp throws creativity out of the window from the start, for buffing a element, use Kazuha, why botter, 0 creativity, but with Chevy, you have another option to buffing, you only use 2/3 of the National core, so you need to think well what pyro or electro unit use, and what kind of obstacles you need to resolve where with Anemo or Geo can resolve (or better say, Kazuha and Zhongli can resolve), and if you think about it, if her kit haven't a restriction and you can combine with VV, you broke the game basically, but if you reduce her buff kit, then why use her over Kazuha or another VV user if not near of buffing, so I think in the end, this restrinction was a necesary curse for she be a good character to use in general and view an practically abandoned reaction that is overload even if overload was an excuse.
Yeah, anything that pushes Benny, Xingqiu, and Kaz to the side improves creativity, rather than limits it.
Your logic is completely backwards my guy..
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Something very important to note for certain players: C6 Chevruse is an upgrade over Kazuha in Raiden Hyper.
I don't have c6 but chevy is already better than my c0 kazuha (w xiphos, lvl90, just under 1000 em) in raiden hyper, at least in single target. Note: raiden is my favorite character, I have her c2r1. I find raiden/sara/xiangling/chevy to be the most comfortable variant, but raiden/sara/chevy/bennett gives me the biggest numbers on raiden and noticeably outperforms kazuha. Ofc you lose grouping and his personal aoe dmg, which are quite significant, but it doesn't matter in the current bossing top half. I'm getting best results by proccing one last overload w bennett c6 NA before bursting.
Nah, don't forget that kazuha's burst deals a lot of damage in raiden hyper
Cope@@idk-sy3iu
@@idk-sy3iu Hyper Raiden means maxing her own dps
@@someonesomewhere8658 doesn't change the fact that in that team kazuha deals a lot of damage through overload
Thinking of the Nilou/Chevreuse comparison, I wonder if Shenhe would have an "only cryo" or "only cryo and hydro" condition if she was released today.
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Glad to see my idea of the Lyney/Benny/Chevy/EmEi team worked out, it was fun to play in the trial event and im sure it’ll be even more fun if i could pull and build her before Tulpa leaves abyss
From my testing, Raiden, Xiangling, Sara, Chevvy was by far and beyond the best performing team. It's actually comparable or better than any other Raiden team I've ever used.
Question, in what way is Sara better than Bennett in that slot? You’re getting more on Raiden, but a lot less on Xiangling.
@@tonydai782that’s because I assume they’re using Raiden as the main damage dealer, and Sara buffs her a lot, Xiangling is there as a sub dps, Bennett isn’t some kind of must have for every team…
@@tonydai782Sara's burst damage has larger damage multipliers than Bennett's. Also standing on Bennett burst makes it easier for Tulpa to 1-shot you
Maybe if C2 raiden. I prefered her with xiangling yae miko and fischl
I never bothered with hyper Raiden because I was not a c6 Sara owner. I am now and currently she's not built because I wanted to test Chevy teams first. Raiden, Yae, Chevy, Xiangling was the top performing team for me. Yae pairs so well with Chevy though so we'll see
If she is this good in c0 as a 4star I would say she is a good unit and another character in my list of "hope I get the c6 soon".
see you next year.
restrictions are fine, especially if they are a 4* like her. It forces you to play characters differently, because let’s be honest, if she doesn’t have that restriction you’d still probably use a VV user again on the team. They could reduce her numbers instead for balancing, but that would probably hurt her maximum performance more than making her more versatile. Doesn’t it feel fresh to use carries that doesn’t rely in anemo VV? even though her kit is basically a VV, it’s still different flavor.
That outfit makes you look like a Sith lord
Yae mika feels so good with chevreuse. She was already decent in overload with bennett xiangling but now with chevreuse it feels better than her aggravate teams. Wish i could have chevreuse c6 though
I'm gonna guess you mean miko not mika lol
Man your tastes are weird or your yae sucks that you think overload yae is better or feels better than aggravate.
It's not, please stop lol. I use Yae Aggravate with a C2 nahida, C2 Kaz, and a filler unit like Kuki with Tenacity or some shit, hell, even C6 Furina for Quickbloom Yae and overload Yae with Chev is just fine. It's still obviously better to use her in Aggravate for PERSONAL dps for her, but for team dps in overload with Chev and well invested non copium all Fav holding shit build support teams like most Genshin players have...it's fantastic. Lyney, Yae, Chev, Fischl is fantastic dps. You need to stop coping and doomposting. I was hitting pretty damn hard with Yae, not as much as my Yae quickbloom with Furina, but still, WAYYYYY harder than I thought I would be able to do. @@lostblueboy
@@lostblueboyYae is very flexible. Personally, while I play her in a dendro team, I really love on field Yae with Thoma, since his flame arc covers the same ground as her attacks.
Any team that gets Bennet out of it is a better team@@lostblueboy
My current Favorite team with her is Bennett, Fischl, Chevreuse, Xiangling. Fischl and Xiangling have their usual build (with no em), Chevreuse runs noblesse and Bennett is built with damage using a Golden Troupe set
Tbh u can just boot bennet and put more dmg like yae miko. She also a better battery then bennet for xiangling
@@Boutneus12 yeah but Bennett buffs Fischl and Xiangling damage
I gotta ask what does your Bennett’s e hit for?
@@lorraineviruet8973 like 25k with tap skill, and 35k total when hold, I haven’t crown his skill yet though, and my Chev is far from c6
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 that’s interesting. You could probably get it even higher!
"she definitely has some teams you can use her in" zajef is too committed to his bit of being the most pessimistic content creator
It’s not even pessimistic, he just doesn’t like her kit design cause it’s cringe, not every content character has to overhype a unit
I really disagree with the fact that restricting team building to balance a unit’s power level is a bad design choice or limits team building. It limits you from using the usual suspects (Kazuha, ZL, etc) sure, but often it opens up using characters in new ways (like a Xiangling built for damage being used without Bennett for once with Chevreuse) or using characters that are kind of bad everywhere else, but are situationally good in the restricted teams (Barbara and Candace in Nilou teams). That to me makes team building more interesting
If you don’t want to play a meta unit than don’t do so, it’s really not that hard.
But don’t encourage a gacha game to release niche units who have a passive that forces them one archetype that can easily be hard-counter or replaced.
This is like causal players who want powercreep in a open world exploration game because “WAAAAAA I DONT LIKE USING A UNIT THAT GOOD AND IS A FOUR STAR”
I'd like to point out something about the Yoimiya team, Thoma works exceptionally well with her because he provides the shield, which when used with a normal attacking character rivals Zhongli/Layla shields, and he buffs normals at c6. (Makes use of Bolide Yoimiya then if you wanted Petra for support Navia/Ningguang too).
thoma provides a shield and nothing else, the c6 buff is minor.
beidou provides better damage, some shield, some DR, and electro resonance when paired with fischl.
@@raulmaltrain6893electro resonance dun help yoi at all tho
@@killingtime8652it helps with fischl and beidou not for yoi
@@raulmaltrain6893 You can trade in Beidou depending on what you have in your account. One being better doesn't disprove the other can be used.
The buff is still a buff and still exists. Thoma still works.
@@yapyongliang7665 ye but they talking abt for yoi not them
Also beidou I get
How does fischl benefit when her ER is pretty much nothing
Pleasantly surprised how well she performs at C0. I'm not gonna be pulling on the banners atm, so here's hoping we get her for free in an event like Freminet. Might be possible since the film event kinda teased us that they might expand on her character later.
Big ups to Zajef and the editing team for these videos, and good luck to the Chevreuse wanters out there.
Restrictive but good in certain niche its actually good 4* design, imo. That's why i like Chevreuse kit, but dislike Nilou kit. 5* should be more versatile. And this is should be main difference between 5* and 4*.
that last team with yae, fischl, chevreuse, xiangling was my first thought when i heard her kit and i made a comment on your first video discussing her so im glad i actually cooked and wasn't a complete moron. another upside to that team btw is yae has EM scaling built into her kit which allows her to use EM sands to do good talent damage
Looking forward to trying out Chevy Rational.
I'm surprised Zajef didn't talk about Hyper Raiden where Cheveruse replaces Kazuha. Her support capability is very close to Kazuha in that team.
You can't maintain the 6 seconds passive since you're not doing overloads, VV has 10 seconds
Also Kazuha swirl buff lasts 18 seconds with his Q while Chevy lasts 8 but it's 20% more DMG bonus
@@nexuhs. VV shred doesn't reproc with Kazuha's Q when he's off-field btw, and Kazuha in a Raiden hyper team has to be on-field to reapply electro VV shred whereas Chev's pyro/electro shred can be applied when she's off-field so long anyone (on-field/off-field triggers overload), this means hyper Raiden Chev rotations would be like
Raiden E -> Chev EQ -> C6Bennett EQ -> Sara EQ -> Raiden pyroN1Q (Chev C6 Bennett and Sara and Raiden w/ C6 Bennett can all trigger overload which means by the time you cast all your buffs and swap to Raiden who will then pyro infuse N1 inside C6Bennett's burst to refresh the shred before she uses Q can make use of the full 6 seconds electro shred
Which is about the same amount of time Raiden makes use of Kazuha's VV swirl shred since standard Raiden Kazuha rotations are Raiden E -> Kazuha EQ -> Bennett EQ -> Sara EQ - Raiden Q (by the time you press Raiden Q you already used up 4 out of the 10 seconds of the VV electro shred after kazuha goes off-field so you're left with 6 seconds which is the same amount of time chev's shred provides, pair that Chev also provides 1% ATK boost for every 1000HP for all pyro and electro characters in the party for 30 seconds, which caps at 40% ATK = 40,000 HP Chev, on average most people building Chev will reach 30K HP easily which is already 30% ATK
I think C0 Chev is a good side-grade to Kazuha for Pyro/Electro teams and C6 Chev is better in those teams than Kazuha, this also means it frees Kazuha to be playable on the other half teams that want Kazuha (for Abyss, or for combat events with multiple teams are required) right now I'm running C0 Raiden C6 Bennett C6 Sara C0 Chev in 1st half of floor 12 and all my 2nd half teams who want Kazuha are really happy that he's there
Yes I know Sucrose and other Anemo units who can carry VV exist but majority of my playtime is spent with Kazuha in those teams so having the freedom to play Kazuha on those teams while my C0 Chev is taking care of my pyro/electro carry teams is very liberating for my account and not having to just play dendro/hyperbloom or Sucrose teams on the 2nd half, which tbf are still good but I like having more and more variety.
One of my fav C0 Chev teams rn I run on 1st half floor 12 is C0 Yoimiya C0 Chev C6 Bennett C6 Fischl and my C0 Kazuha is free to run around with whatever 2nd half team that I want
@@Gimu_san pretty smart rotation, if you have C6 that might be good
@@Gimu_san Thank you for reminding me about Bennett C6. I was considering just going Xiangling over Bennett for the off-field Pyro but I really wanted to go nuts with the hypercarry and the Pyro-infused normal right before Raiden burst is the missing piece of the puzzle.
Ngl I prefer this version of the 1st impressions videos compared to the others. It feels like a combination of both the 1st impression vids and the post release vids, making a very informative 1st impressions masterpiece 👌
Zajef most likely wouldn't like any character that has team restriction such as this Chev, just like when he gave impressions on Nilou's restriction. I can cleary see it, despite his bias or anything, he prefer a char that's flexible in team comp. Maybe he wanna position himself as f2p players perspective.
i wouldnt like a restrictive chara as a f2p either.means i cant use my invested chara in more teams, meaning i have to build more charas,making it more expensive...
I don't know about the whole F2P perspective thing, I think it is simply as he said it. Having characters that basically don't function outside of a very specific niche limits the options players have with teams they use them in. Has nothing to do with F2P or not, simply that you aren't gonna be using this character outside of specific situations.
From a f2p perspective she is amazing since this banner gives you a fully functioning raiden team. Alternatively you can swap bennett for xiangling if you got her c4.
Zajef is kinda theorycrafting for his own account and others who have similar "f2p but playing since launch" resources which is completely different from new players who won't have 4* cons on 1.0 characters.
Best new player advice rn is to grind story and exploration and then pull on a banner you like to get a team you enjoy and this banner fits that bill pretty well. Raiden is still decent and the 4*s all support her.
For people who are still newish and are looking to take their account in a more focused direction the only real advice is going into theorycrafting communities and getting their account evaluated. General advice doesnt work much in genshin as rng makes all accounts different and it takes a bit of time for there to be patterns of characters that most people have(if they go for them).
Despite her restrictions, she's the best 4 star unit to come out since YaoYao.
If she didnt have the team element restriction, people would start doing overvape teams, like HuTao Yelan Fischl Chevy, which is a great option and wouldn't even be better than double hydro options
Also she could replace Bennett on Raiden national, making overvape work again but wouldn't have a buff like Bennett provides.
If she didn't have restrictions she could be better than Bennett in some situations
You can still do overvape, the Anemo unit will be shredding resist and all you lose from Chev's passive is the resist shred if you have non electro/pyro...so it's really not bad at all. She heals, so you can use any anemo that you'd like with her.
ESP if u have c6 chev
@@marcusaurelius4777 but her main point was not relying on having to be on field for the passive to work, unlike VV, so if you're planning on using an anemo teammate then overvape doesn't work since you need Offield pyro and Chevy can't do that
She probably wouldn't have the same C6, and likely a worse res shred because Hoyo would not want us stacking dmg bonuses with low price nor want us stack up resistance shreds to an insane degree, even if resistance reductions get halved below zero. So the restriction basically enables this level of utility and strength in Chevreuse's kit. A theoretical cryo kazuha that only buffs cryo damage bonus and melt dmg bonus would buff to a higher degree than the Kazuha we are familiar with.
The less flexible they are, the stronger they are in the few teams they can be in. The more flexible and universal a character is, the less power their utility or damage holds, but there are exceptions.
It's fair for Chevreuse to have team restrictions. That's what warranted Hoyo to ramp up the feasibility of her kit, C0 to C6 with high utility and low effort to do so.
I was going to skip her due to high pity, but then the Xianyun kit leaks left me uninterested in getting her, so I went for Raiden and some cons for my c4 Sara. And Chevy came home 7 times over 90 pulls like the legend she is! I'm having such a great time experimenting with her teams. So far I've been mostly reviving my long-benched Yafei, but I'm excited for the Lyney combos as well.
You can build Chevy to work in teams that are not just pyro/electro, you just have to accept losing a part of her kit and use her for the rest of her kit. Similar to EM Raiden only being used for her E and ER buff. So with Chevy you lose the res shred but still have the healing, attack buff, and her personal damage ramp as long as overloads still happen.
Personally I'm building her as an Overload Pyro DPS with EM/CV crimson witch and Staff of Scarlet Sands, She only has about 20kHP(closer to 25k once she is fully built) but she has almost 700EM and 1600attack before external buffs. The team I'm starting out with for her is EM Kuki, C6 Bennet, and Fischl with the Elegy. I could also use Kuki, Kazuha, and Nahida for an Overburn team with Chevy being the pyro provider for burn extended by Kazuha Q and swirl for the res shred with VV and Kuki as the main Overload trigger with Nahida ramping the burn, and provided Kazuha is C2 then both he and Nahida ramp EM. Chevy's attack buff is not as important here, but it still boosts damage across the rotation, and she loses the res shred but this is still a good team for her to run a personal DPS build as a Burst DPS.
On Nilou's case she also forces you to bring a healer to counter the self damage you are dealing to yourself, also the reaction dynamic between Dendro and Hydro forces you to make another hydro character to stack EM to trigger the blooms to pull the most damage out of it.
With Chevrolet you don't really need the healer, she is the whole buffing and utility package, overload doesn't care who comes first (unless you want an elemental mastery unit to fit in and be the trigger) so you have way more freedom on who you bring to the table from both elements, overload is bad sure but at least against bosses the bad part of it is gone, and when you need to run around chasing characters she also brings the dash stamina reduction passive.
So yeah, she has that, oNlY tHiS eLeMeNtS team restriction, but she doesn't ask for the others to accommodate her (not even her shred requires her onfield presence and the attack buff lasts for 30s!) and everyone that joins that team can be use as themselves, instead of being forced to an EM build and sustain the team with healing and dendro. So I hope if this trend continues on future characters, they be more like Chevy and not Nilou.
ei, sara, cheuv, xiang, thats my vibe
I prefarmed her whole support build without even having a plan for her team in mind, thinking I'd play her with Yoi or Raiden... but I ended up giving her a dps build and using her in a quickswap nuke team with Sara (also on a dps build) , Fischl and Bennett. It's not a GOOD team, but it's so fun and I have enough investment to make it work.
A note for Yoimiya teams - against a lot of bosses, who tend to have slow telegraphed attacks, you can easily run her with Bennet and thoughtful positioning. There are wide enough windows to unload a bunch of attacks before you need to dodge and with a C6 Fischl, this comp shreds (literally and figuratively). If you need to dodge a lot, then I'd rather play her with a proper shielder in a vape or mono pyro comp anyway.
she needed a restrictive passive or she would be insanely busted shes already very good and most likely lined up for future characters im assuming she will age amazingly. I dont think your point about her being restrictive is fair at all when she already provides pretty much everything a support could ever want and not to mention shes a four star so shes so much easier to get.
eh, it might be a better choice to have it incentivize the niche rather than outright demand it.
I found Chev, Fischl, Dehya and Bennett to work perfectly fine.
Dude… sadly with how many characters there are, making restrictions like this actually opens up more teams and creativity that the meta wouldn’t allow otherwise. It’s sad you can’t see that as a content creator
He can't play XQ so it's bad to him
@@sketter766LOL
Creative = Not being allowed to play with 5 whole elements, yes very creative design, I hope next units we get lets us only use hydro and electro units, so creative it makes me want to spend money on this great game…
@@ChAnTAxRit's not like you won't be shoving XL, XQ and Bennett at the end anyways
Very creative indeed :)
@@ChAnTAxR There are many characters that you can use in morbillion different teams but you effectively still don't use them because it feels like shit.
It doesn't matter if a character is so niche if they open up new teams that are good. Ironically Zajef himself has Chevreuse on his "would love on a banner" list now.
This is a huge W
Having a unit that can replace bennet or kazuha or at least be close to them in terms of buff is what a buffer has to be in my opinion, i often find my self with a lot of damage dealers and lacking some support units, so just for that chevreusse is very good in my opinion
Only replace them in overload team, and mainly boss killing overload team, Kazuha’s flexible grouping capability is still hard to replace
But then there are so many very strong boss killing team that are much cheaper to build or deal more dmg + better defense utility than the current overload boss killing team options which include Chevreusse
Not a bad unit, but definitely not as good as people claim her to be, she’s in Kuki’s situation back in Inazuma except she’s not garbage tier
@@episode4882 "in terms of buff" she deserved all the praise she got, last time a 4 star c0 that has a good enough buff utility got released it needs 300 ER
She's basically Gorou that has a bit better buff/debuff + a LOT more team to choose
While you have all the right to not like Chevreuse (Or Nilou) because of her "restrictive team" building, it's very important to know that not every character HAS to fit every box. I think that's a very flawed way of looking at character designs, because then it eliminated this sort of creativity and niche setups. Personally I love that there is a unit which buffs one specific reaction, and I want more of this type of specific team building setups. Let's be real, we are all bored of the same "fits all box Xiangling go brr" setups. We need more of these niche setups, altho I'd argue that they need to make these niches better. I think Chevreuse doesn't do ENOUGH to make Overload worth it, the way Nilou superbloom does.
TL;DR Looking at Nilou and Chevreuse as "restrictive team" building is a very negative and flawed way to looks at things, since it elimates the possiblity to have these archetypes, or interest thereof. You should look at it as rather a niche and specific archetype, instead of a restriction. Because using Benny as a goto buffer is just... boring. But yes, these niches need better designs/more to offer.
Respectfully, this is a shit take, I know this comment is old and all, but I think it’s important to note that being specialized ≠ restrictive
I get where you are coming from, I don’t think everyone want to play the same units day after day, but..
1. That’s for people who don’t care for meta, if that’s you, then why are you here, just play your favorite character.
2. There is no reason for her to literally have a passive that makes its so that you can’t play her with 5 other elements(you know over half the roster) that’s isn’t “creative or fun” that’s just boring and bland.
3. Farazan has a lot focus on Anemo buffing, but she ain’t considered bad design, because she is still a unit you can run outside of Xiao and Wander teams, TF Farazan or use her as a general Anmeo unit for grouping and sub dmg. These teams aren’t better than her main job as a anemo hyper carry buffer, but they feel good unlike playing a c0 cheveruse in a vape team where you might as well play her just cause you want the friend ship xp or something
If they want to release more units with kits designed around specific interactions, than they should not do passives that force you, just give you a reason to incentive it, like they did with units like Navia, Nevu, Lyeny.
Let’s not even get into the fact this is a gacha game that gives 50 wishes a patch, and you want new units to be playable in one team type that can get hard counter easily? Let’s be smart about this
I’ve tested her with Raiden, Sara and Bennett and I honestly love the team 🤣 I’m not here to be sweaty gamer or to be some meta player, but I honestly love it
This team slaps and c6 Chevy I’ve found outperforms kazuha
While her kit is a bit restrictive, it also means that she get more valuable with every pyro or electro character release... like Arlechino and Clorinde which are probably not too far down the road. Also, I think at this point, hoyo has to get more niche with their new characters unless they release new elements or reactions. I'm personally enjoying seeing these kits that revolve around very specific playstyles. At this point, most players have a few great teams that do everything they NEED already.
Lyney with EM Raiden, feels so good man, that fcking insane Overloads of Raiden are pleasant to see.
Glad to announce she’s carried me to 36 stars not once but twice
I found the 4* released since Kirara pretty good. I often find myself using Kirara over Baizhu (who's pretty well-invested), just because she's a lot of fun. My Kirara is not C4 either, so not even that good at applying dendro, but she's really good with quick swap teams, which many electro units can do rather easily. Freminet, while constricted by physical, can still work pretty well with melt, and Furina did help him quite a lot, even freeing Xingqiu for the other team, since he just needs consistent hydro application, but not as much as Xingqiu does anyway. Charlotte, I think, is probably one that surprised me the most - her burst can max out fanfare stacks easy and fast, even with talent level 1 (granted, mine is C3, but I think you really only need C1 for good healing). I got a fair share of use out of the free (C0) Lynette we got in 4.0 - she's really fun to use imo, and worked well enough in the Abyss for me.
Now we get Chevreuse and soon, Gaming, who is also looking like a competent C0 character.
I really like the 4* we have gotten since Kirara. They've all been usable and pretty good even at C0 or lower cons like C1, which is really good going forward. (I also really like Kaveh's kit and I will stand by it even though he's nowhere near as good lmao, that said he does kinda need C6 to work so I don't think it's fair including him)
C6 Chevreuse is better than Xiangling when built for damage on Lyney's team with kazuha and no electro. Fk overload just build her for damage output. It's stronger than Xiangling by far because she doesn't lengthen your rotation.
It is a source of some anxiety how we talk about constellations. For example I have c0 raiden and I feel there is zero point playing her as hypercarry without c2. Why? Of course it won't do nearly as much damage but what if its still the best team damage wise I can put together. I feel like we should put more emphasis on announcing which constellations are required to make certain teams work vs just a dmg increase.
Nice to see that we have a 4 star actually worth building after quite a while 😭. The pyro/electro exclusively thing is a bummer since I don't...run any overload teams. I'm not pulling on the Raiden or Yoimiya banner, so I'm not gonna get a Chevreuse, but perhaps in the future she might have a more solid place in teams that are actually worth using.
she can still be useful outside of pyro + electro teams as she buffs atk, has cc on her burst (yes, she does), generates particles more convenient than bennet (more per E), heals and buffs atk.
Yea but that’s just cope
The atk buff only applies to pyro and electro, her heals are never the reason you bring her, her ulti cc is about the same as bennet's and his particle generation is far more consistent, especially in national teams where you have time to funnel XL so can run lower ER and more damage.
@@Sam-up4ul something of this is just wrong, check pks before you say. She has cc, the bombs push mobs towards the center, no matter where it's positioned. I don't say you bring her for healing, but that's on of her many bonuses for the team. Atk buff has it's benefits as it's teamwide and applies to every character, even not on-field, it also doesn't involve circle impact. For energy generation, it's worse if you can constantly swap to bennet, but far better when you can't, which is the case with many hypercarry teams, she gives many frontloaded particles. If we're talking about constellation 6 it's another story, just 60 unconditional dmg bonus to all electro and pyro. I don't say she's better than bennet, but she's surprisingly competitive with him.
@@-miromax-5349the atk bonus is not to all, only to pyro and electro. C6 is not unconditional, it gives 1 stack when chevy heals the character, meaning you'll have at most 1 stack on sub-dps on 1st rotation, and 2 from 2nd rotation onward; only the onfielder gets the full 60%.
@@eclipseeffigy I know it's only for pyro and electro and thanks for clarifictaion of c6. Still, I think she's pretty good.
So not sure if this a popular opinion but I use Ei, Chevreuse, Bennett and Lyney as a sniper team. 1. Raiden, 2. Lyney charge then back up. 3. Chevreuse, 4. Lyney charge shots. If they get close or try to mob, burst away.
At last, a new use of Millelith Raiden. Que Horror!
Got her C0 and I didn’t realize she works so well with Lyney who I have at C0 with his signature. I’m happy she’s a Kazuha replacement because as much as I love Kazuha, I don’t want him to be the main buffer in so many of my teams lol
Been playing her at C6 with Raiden Fischl Xiangling, and in a Yoimiya team as well. Raiden is a fantastic team, works well, overload knocking enemies around doesn't matter as much because without Bennett you're not playing circle impact. My Xiangling is only C3 so I don't have the full pyronado, but the team feels absolutely cracked. Yoimiya didn't work so well, you need something else defensive on top of Chev, and if you want to run two electro units instead of 3 pyro, you basically only have Beidou. I have a C2 Dehya that I could use too, but Beidou's ER requirements as the only electro unit is very cringe.
She is definitely one of the most fun 4 stars especially with c4 and as sub dps. quickscoping > meta.
I hope she will have more good teams when we step on the land of natlan.
I would say, for those who have her C6, her A1 passive becomes somewhat irrelevant on certain teams that aren't Overload only. Teams like OverVape could potentially be better with Chevreuse than with Bennett, and the same goes for Aggravate+Overload (I dubbed it *Salsa*).
In Salsa, the Spiel should be that you gain Overloads alongside your Aggeavates, but with Chevreuse that won't be the case after the initial setup, which may sound like wasting your Pyro slot until you get the 60% Electro DMG bonus and 40% ATK.
Finally a timely notification.
I want to sort of point out that her res-shred is 40% which is the same as VV. So you CAN use her without her passive as long as you bring a vv. So there are other team comps.
I adore her sm
OMG I JUST REALSIED LYNEY AND HER WORK PRETTY GOOD SINCE HE CAN BASICLLY GET A VV SHRED WITH A PYRO UNIT 🎉
The restrictions are a good idea I think, its a way to create very strong teams that require SPECIFIC characters, and a path they should go down more. Otherwise whenever a new DPS or whatever comes out its like "lets take this attack DPS and stick them with the usual suspects, Bennet, Xialing, kazuha, Furina, ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZ." but if theyre like "+a huge amount to characters that have birthdays on tuesday only" you can be like oh hey, now I can use that shity four stars with birthdays on tuesday who never gets any air time because they specifically are being buffed up to benet like lvls". Its a good way to bring out more unique and individual team comps.
Id rather that than just more power creep people who replace older units cause they're better everywhere
Honestly a unit that can free up xingu or an anemo unit or both while still having the team be a small downgrade or a side grade is kinda insane for a four star at C0, her value pretty much entirely lies in freeing up better units in abyss which can be quite helpful
Pretty uncommon and don't recommend, but I'm using her with a DPS Beidou and a C6 Bennet, so Beidou applies both Electro and Pyro every attack which is pretty cool (then either fish/sara)
raiden has been my EM bot since nahida came out, but I finally gave her some dps artifacts just to try with chevreuse 😊 it's been fun playing her on field again
Yoimiya Chevreuse Raiden Bennett solves yoimiyas aoe issues. Every time you ult with yoimiya you just swap to raiden ult and start hitting targets that are marked with yoimiyas ult, her ult jumps from target to target. I find this a very comfortable team to play with her.
Lyney is a character that really wishes Chevy was electro instead of pyro. Since we lack a good electro shielder, it leaves Lyney without the ideal teammate when you want Benny, Chev, and Lyney. If we had an electro Layla, that would be great, but we don't. But if Chev was the electro, then Dehya or Tankfei could be used.
I think these issues kind of hold her back in general. Built for support, she lacks damage, so now you kind of want to make that up elsewhere, but her healing also isn't great, so you want a defensive option as well. And that's what makes the team restrictions feel tight, rather than natural.
Is Thoma worth running with Chevreuse, particularly in a Yae team?
Technically speaking her attk buff works for pyro and electro units outside a pure electro pyro team
You can definitely run C6 Tohma for Yoimiya + Chev team though.
I think they're only gonna get more restrictive in the Chevy/Nilou style as the game goes on. With so many characters its gonna get increasingly hard for Hoyo to make strong but not accidentally completely broken OP team combos unless they forcibly restrict the team possibilities into their own little niches like this.
Another Future Impact character.
Is the new support set viable on her? Will zajef do a video talking about this artifacts? I don't know if it worth for Charlotte, Mika, etc instead Noblesse
Question: Is Raiden, Chev, Xiang, Sara C6 a bad option?
Is Sara's buff, resonance and benefit of being able to run across the map (specially in an overload team) overshadowed by Bennett buff + Xiang's snapshot pyronado?
I think the problem there would be the major drop off in healing, plus Sara being in generally more clunky. Buff-wise, the effect can be about equal, since Sara could manage to provide the buff for both Xiangling and Raiden, just that's where the clunkiness in Sara's kit lies. Electro synergy won't matter much of the time because you're using Raiden's burst, though it can if you do something like use Raiden's burst and the first hit wipes out the enemies, leaving you with nothing to melee for the rest of it. But I'd do something like run Instructor's or Fav(s) if that was an issue.
From my understanding this is actually a pretty good team, mostly for the reasons you mentioned. Jamie, a well recpected tc, put out a community post about it’s potential, and genshin noir did some calcs on it in a recent vid.
I'll just say that my Chevreuse that I just got, with level 20/40 and no artifacts whatsoever, WORKS pretty well as a Xingqiu replacement for Rational team. Just ascend her once and she's good to go here. Heck she doesn't even need to be on field when I tried this🤣
Man is there any team that Xiangling doesn't take advantage of🤣🤣 I can't wait for that day when I take my Xiangling to battle the Celestia it would be hilarious af...🤣🤣😭😭🤣🤣 Never thought the cute lady I met in the outskirts of Mondstad be this deadly🎉🎉💯💯🤣🤣
She has been amazing so far even at C0
Seems that the general consensus is that she's far better than most theory crafters anticipated.
Commonly I saw them saying that she was gonna be dog water and serve no purpose because "Overloaded is too awful to work with".
Overload is still "too awful to work with", but having transfrom Overload to a VV RES SHRED is a fresh Idea, a good one at that.
Now, let's see what Chiori has for Crystalize reaction.
Leaks theorycrafting always comes with 500% more doomposting.
Took me 64 wishes to get her but at least I did before 5* pity. I would have had to stop if I didn’t. So far trying her with Raiden has felt pretty good, but I’ll have to try that Yae variant too! I’m a little undecided if I like her kit or not. But I love her design visually at least, and skill/burst FEEL good to use despite the low numbers lol.
Thank you for making this video! Excited to play with Chev in my Yoimiya and Lyney teams \o/
...bruh
Diluc and Keqing EXIST
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "only Lyney and Yae left" BRUH
playing overload keqing feels ass
You could already play KQ without Dendro, and it was really bad. You would just be trading 40% from swirl for to 40% from overload, which is more obnoxious and comes from a character with no off field DPS. If your Bennett is C6? RIP. Sounds like an exercise in frustration.
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Btw pyro Razor with her sounds fun, because he would have both pyro and electro damage buffed hmmm
Keqing has been forgotten again. She is pretty good with just basic Bennet Xiangling Chevy (same team as Raiden)