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Please do Magua from “The Last of the Mohicans” he’s one of the best villains in cinema and book history. A really complex character that deserves to be acknowledged and analyzed.
In both the books and films, the very possessiveness meant to serve The Ring’s own ends ultimately led to its own undoing. We see this in Saruman too, backstabbed pathetically by the long-mistreated Grima…
Gollum and Smeagol were probably both happy at the end: Gollum got the one ring and Smeagol got to finally die while knowing that the one ring won't outlive him for long
Someone made a very interesting comment where they presented the idea that the one ring doesn't actually make you live longer, it makes you die more slowly. This would explain why Bilbo says "I'm old Gandalf. I know I don't look it, but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart. I feel thin, sort of stretched. Like butter scraped over too much bread". The ring is stretching out his death.
Oh! Oh that makes so much sense! Combine it with "evil cannot create" it fits so perfectly together. Making you live longer would be creating more life. So it offers a cheap awful imitation and just kills you much much slower instead, while hollowing you out and/or amplifying your every negative inclination, depending on your interpretation of if evil is a thing in of itself, or merely the absence of good. In the same way that dark might be said to be an absence of light.
“It’s a pity Bilbo didn’t kill him when he had the chance.” “Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo’s hand. Many that live deserve death, some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet for good or ill, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.”
Andy Serkis gave 110% during the trilogy, as did everyone involved, and it shows. The extended versions are three of the best films ever made, and I can almost certainly guarantee subsequent versions made throughout our future as a species won't be as good.
I feel that Gollum is a personification of the real-world addict who is too far gone into their vices to come back. They've lost their souls, just as Gollum lost his to the Ring.
I know Tolkien didn't do allegory, but comparison of the ring's corruption to real life addiction is impossible to avoid. One of the movie moments that always stood out to me is, after it's destroyed, Frodo says "It's gone," first in a tone of relief at finally being free, then repeating it in a tone like "man, wish I could have one last hit though."
@@Isthisjoebiden Death of the author and all that, but Tolkien is on record saying he hates allegories. So whatever symbolism we observe is what we read into it.
“We Soon Forgot The Taste of Bread, The Sound Of Wind In The Trees… We Even Forgot Our Name.”- Gollum/Smeagol. It really highlights the tragedy of Gollum, he never stood a chance agaisnt the allure of the ring, and without it he would have lived a peaceful life, but alas the utter corruption of smeagol into a shadow of his former self (gollum) and his all consumming obsession with the ring were what finally aided to it's destruction
It immediately corrupted him, too. It can't be overstated how much power the Ring has over people's minds. It's not just a McGuffin; it's almost a character of evil in and of itself despite being "just" an object.
It feels like that for me in my life through all the abuse as a child and traumas, and yet I never became an evil man. But the few weaknesses I had certainly were taken full advaadvantage of which is self indulgence and this led to terrible addiction. Heroin and crack became my precious and even after 25 years of addiction I’ve come a long way in my recovery but if I am overwhelmed by stress or hurt, it sometimes still gets the me of guard. I really understand Gollum so much. And I really love him.
@@TheNotoriousMrDeeagreed. It is shown the ring has a will of its own (return to its owner) and can change things in the physical world (make itself heavier, hotter, etc.), it’s not much of a jump to simply say that the ring is another being of its own
I'd love to see Saruman next, I'd love to see The Easterlings, The Haradrim, The Corsairs of Umbar and The Wild Men get their own episodes (Sauron's Dark Forces of Men Allies)
@@jamestoner3900 As much as I love this idea, I don't think there is enough information that Tolkien provided for a video on the evil men of Middle Earth.
So long has this channel covered despicable evil, monstrous evil, and terrifying evil. Covering Gollum is exploring a type of evil I don't think I've seen on this channel--"Pitiable Evil". The things Gollum did were terrible and no one is about to look past it, but throughout Gollum's story, you see the toll it took on him and the fleeting glimmers of hope throughout all while you watch him turn it all away because the dark path he's walking is not only the result of his choices, they're also all that he has and all that he has known for centuries. "He hates and loves the ring, as he hates and loves himself."
Which of these villains below, fit that description of pitable evil? Personally, I think it is Dr. Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man. A brilliant mind, who became victim to his own madness, and creation. I really felt bad for him. Montgomery Barnes from The Simpsons The Greek from The Wire Eric Qualen from Cliffhanger Nucky Thompson from Boardwalk Empire Adebesi from Oz The Caller from Phone Booth Rico from Paid N Full God from In Too Deep Scarlet O'Hara from Gone with the Wind Ma-Ma from Dredd Dr. Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers Roy Stampler from Primal Fear Regina George from Mean Girls The Cowboys from Tombstone The Characters and Themes of The Player's Club Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow from Bonnie&Clyde Diana Christensen from Network The Wicked Witch of the West from The Wizard of Oz Nancy Downs from The Craft Shane from The Walking Dead Sgt. Waters from A Soldier's Story Col. William Tavington from The Patriot Longshanks from Braveheart Nino Brown from New Jack City Bricktop from Snatch David McCall from Fear Dr. Evil from The Austin Powers Franchise Plankton from SpongeBob SquarePants Leprechaun from The Leprechaun Series Atia of the Julio from Rome Deacon Frost from Blade Sheriff William Tealse from Rambo First Blood Yong-Suk from Train to Busan Captain Henry Rhodes from Day of the Dead Ike Turner from What's Love Got to do With It Al Swearegen from Deadwood Cody Jarrett from White Heat The Penguin from Batman Returns Clayton from Tarzan Gen. Zod from Man of Steel Paul Serone from Anaconda Juntao&Sang from Rush Hour Gyp Rosetti from Boardwalk Empire Dr. Valentin Narcisse from Boardwalk Empire Ralph Cifaretto from The Sopranos Milko Velka from Blood In Blood Out Money from Shot Caller Ernst Stavro Blofeld from The James Bond Series Franklin Saint from Snowfall Bolo from Bloodsport Magneto from X-Men Franchise Frank Zito from Maniac Art the Clown from Terrifier 1&2 Frank Lucas from American Gangster Idi Amin from The Last King of Scotland The Firefly Family from The Devil's Rejects Hela from Thor: Ragnarok Ghost Dog from Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
Déagol wasn't simply Sméagol's best friend. He was his cousin-kin. That is the true severity of his first crime under the influence of the One Ring. He murdered a blood relative.
Given how the names rhyme such as Drogo and Frodo, and Ham Gamgee and Sam Gamgee, along with Tolkien's Anglo-Saxon influence where kin-slaying is seen as a murder worse than murder, I am inclined to agree with you.
Imagine if Gollum completely redeemed himself and, after destroying the Ring with Frodo and Sam, moved with them to the Shire. It would be hilarious to see him chilling and smoking a pipe with both hobbits sitting on the grass. 😂😂😂
It would also be interesting to see how permanent the corruption was. Not his mind thou his minds been forever warped. I’m talking physically. Was he truly ruined that even after redemption the scars stayed. Or dos he turn back into smegal just withered and beaten
One thing to consider here for poor Smeagol is the fact that his life depended on the ring. Consider how rapidly Bilbo aged after he had given up the ring and it was destroyed in Mount Doom. Bilbo's lifespan was prolonged unnaturally by the ring, and once destroyed the effect wore off rapidly. For Smeagol the ring's destruction would've meant certain death since he'd age 400 years in a matter of days.
8:46 I always interpreted that to mean that the power granted by the ring scales up with the power of the being possessing it. A lowly hobbit would get invisibility, long life and maybe some physical amp but a man or dwarf might get a much longer life and greater amp to their physical status and if a powerful godlike being got the ring it would amplify their already insane power to a ludicrous degree. This is backed up by Gandalf basically being afraid of holding it and implying that it could result in a terrible power beyond anything. Galadriel also has her infamous “all shall love me and despair” scene where she imagines how ridiculously powerful she would be with the ring.
Dwarves are mostly unaffected by the Rings. They don't turn invisible, their life spans are unaffected, and they can't be dominated. All the Seven Rings did was to inflame their greed. That's why Sauron spent centuries trying to hunt them down and take them back.
The fact that in the movie Galadrial gad that episode and still proudly said she resisted the rings effect made me go 'no... you kinda just went crazy there, but thanks for not exploding Frodo.'
Feels like the story of smeagol is that of addiction of a substance. Gollum being the Itching of a quick fix but knowing how bad it is and yet cant resist and smeagol being the real person underneath it all but struggles within himself, its very human
The opening of Return of the King showing Gollum's transformation was scary af. That said, imagine if Serkis played Gollum with practical make-up instead of CGI through the whole Trilogy
He should've! It wouldn't at all be THAT difficult, certainly not more difficult than what they DID do! Gollum was tbh as much as I love him in the films, the most immersion breaking thing about the whole trilogy. Arguably worse than Legolas and his gravity defying shenanigans. ARGUABLY lol but seriously I'm sick of seeing CGI characters whether they're motion capture or not. Just use the cgi to TOUCH THINGS UP if needed, don't just make the whole feckin character computer generated 🙄👽
Great list. What do you think of these great villains? Montgomery Barnes from The Simpsons The Greek from The Wire Eric Qualen from Cliffhanger Nucky Thompson from Boardwalk Empire Adebesi from Oz The Caller from Phone Booth Rico from Paid N Full God from In Too Deep Scarlet O'Hara from Gone with the Wind Ma-Ma from Dredd Dr. Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers Roy Stampler from Primal Fear Regina George from Mean Girls The Cowboys from Tombstone The Characters and Themes of The Player's Club Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow from Bonnie&Clyde Diana Christensen from Network The Wicked Witch of the West from The Wizard of Oz Nancy Downs from The Craft Shane from The Walking Dead Sgt. Waters from A Soldier's Story Col. William Tavington from The Patriot Longshanks from Braveheart Nino Brown from New Jack City Bricktop from Snatch David McCall from Fear Dr. Evil from The Austin Powers Franchise Plankton from SpongeBob SquarePants Leprechaun from The Leprechaun Series Atia of the Julio from Rome Deacon Frost from Blade Sheriff William Tealse from Rambo First Blood Yong-Suk from Train to Busan Captain Henry Rhodes from Day of the Dead Ike Turner from What's Love Got to do With It Al Swearegen from Deadwood Cody Jarrett from White Heat The Penguin from Batman Returns Clayton from Tarzan Gen. Zod from Man of Steel Paul Serone from Anaconda Juntao&Sang from Rush Hour Gyp Rosetti from Boardwalk Empire Dr. Valentin Narcisse from Boardwalk Empire Ralph Cifaretto from The Sopranos Milko Velka from Blood In Blood Out Money from Shot Caller Ernst Stavro Blofeld from The James Bond Series Franklin Saint from Snowfall Bolo from Bloodsport Magneto from X-Men Franchise Frank Zito from Maniac Art the Clown from Terrifier 1&2 Frank Lucas from American Gangster Idi Amin from The Last King of Scotland The Firefly Family from The Devil's Rejects Hela from Thor: Ragnarok Ghost Dog from Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
@@JayCity10 I would love to see Nucky Thompson. I just started watching Boardwalk Empire and I really enjoy his character. Steve Buschemi does an amazing job!
I don’t know why this wasn’t mentioned, especially because this analysis got very close to addressing it when talking about the difference between Bilbo and Gollum; the effect the ring has on whoever has ownership of it is influenced by the manor in which the ring came into the holder’s possession. Sméagol obtained the ring via murder, so the effect it had on him was much more harsh than what it was for Bilbo.
My top 3 suggestions: - Analyzing Evil: Park Yeon-jin from The Glory - Analyzing Evil: Thor "The Swede" Gundersen from Hell on Wheels - Analyzing Evil: Frank from Once Upon a Time in the West
"And so Gollum found them hours later, when he returned, crawling and creeping down the path out of the gloom ahead. Sam sat propped against the stone, his head dropping side ways and his breathing heavy. In his lap lay Frodo’s head, drowned deep in sleep; upon his white forehead lay one of Sam’s brown hands, and the other lay softly upon his master’s breast. Peace was in both their faces. Gollum looked at them. A strange expression passed over his lean hungry face. The gleam faded from his eyes, and they went dim and grey, old and tired. A spasm of pain seemed to twist him, and he turned away, peering back up towards the pass, shaking his head, as if engaged in some interior debate. Then he came back, and slowly putting out a trembling hand, very cautiously he touched Frodo’s knee - but almost the touch was a caress. For a fleeting moment, could one of the sleepers have seen him, they would have thought that they beheld an old weary hobbit, shrunken by the years that had carried him far beyond his time, beyond friends and kin, and the fields and streams of youth, an old starved pitiable thing. But at that touch Frodo stirred and cried out softly in his sleep, and immediately Sam was wide awake."
A few to suggest for future vids: Nucky Thompson -Boardwalk Empire, J R Ewing-Dallas, Louis Da Palma-Taxi Johnny Friendly-On The Waterfront Nathan R Jessup- A Few Good Men Cody Jarrett-White Heat
Great video as usual. I have a few characters that you should look into: 1. Nino Brown from New Jack City 2.Frank White from King of New York 3.Colonel Tavington from The Patriot 4.Neil McCauley from Heat 5.Douda from The Chi
I've always liked broken, fallen characters, Smeagol/Gollum is one such character. A simple minded Hobbit who was twisted easily into a vile dark character.
The thing with gollum is that the core of his greed and by extension his evil was love. Love for the ring and what it was and not necessarily the power and prestige it brought. I could be wrong still, the ring came to gollum as a result of greed and was taken from him as a result of greed. And it was greed that destroyed the ring.
WOW!!!! Now i see a lot more of the character Gollum, thank you for showing the in depth story of this character, he could not escape from the deeds that he made a long time ago, the past is never done it never disappears no matter how far away you go.
Andy Serkis played Gollum to perfection! He found the perfect balance between hatable and sympathetic! He deserves all the recognition and awards he got and more!
@@Doonn68 that’s usually how you make a statement. You put together sentences that correlate to each other and then you end them with the period. Glad you learned something today.
Suggestions for villains I'd love to see featured: *Tracy Flick (Election) [25th anniversary this year!] *Clyde Shelton (Law-Abiding Citizen) [15th anniversary this year!] *Ben Willis (I Know What You Did Last Summer)
I'm really loving your work. The intro of you in person is working really well for me too. I love seeing the Wise Vile Eye greet the audience like we are seated in a warm lounge room to watch a great mind speak to us. Keep it up!
Fun fact, "Precious" is the name the Ring gives itself. Every non-Sauron character that picks it up ends up referring to it as such, including Isildur.
I'm a new Tolkien fan, watched the LoTR movies and read The Hobbit for the first time this year. Gollum is maybe my second or third favorite character. I love how he is written, what the message of his character is, and he also really hit as someone who is working on being better from past mistakes and holding onto all that guilt. Some villain recommendations I have: Wheatley (video game, Portal 2), Rattlesnake Jake (animated movie, Rango), Billy (horror movie, Black Christmas 1974).
exhalent work on covering Gollum from start to end 👍👍 hope you'd do Analyzing Evil: Jason Dean from Heathers Analyzing Evil: Pearl from X and Pearl Analyzing Evil: Gaston from Beauty And The Beast Analyzing Evil: Jafar from Aladdin Analyzing Evil: Homelander from The Boys Analyzing Evil: Jack Napier/The Joker from Batman 1989
On the topic of great evils that corrupt otherwise noble beings: the Prophet of Truth from the Halo series. While we're at it, Arbiter Thel Vadam from the Halo series as well- not an evil character, but one who's committed many great evil deeds. It could be a nice segway into an "Analyzing Redemption series"
The Lore,Depth, & characters of Lord of the rings can simply just never be matched ever, i truly believe this is the best movie/books ever to be made ❤
Suggestions: Count Dracula (from Dracula) Erik ( from The Phantom of The Opera) Victor Frankenstein and his monster (from Frankenstein) William Afton/Springtrap (from Five Nights at Freddy's series) Mayor John (from Rango) Rattlesnake Jake (from Rango)
Having read the books long before Peter Jackson's movies, I always felt sorry for Gollum. He maybe wasn't the kindest of Hobbits before the Ring found him, but he wasn't evil. The Ring corrupted him and his life. For a suggestion - anyone, or anything, from the Person Of Interest series. If you haven't watched it yet, you're in for a ride!
Please do Magua from The Last of The Mohicans. He’s one of the most interesting and profound villains in cinema and book history. A very complex character that deserves to be analyzed.
Such a good character, with huge implications that stretch back to the song of arda. It's implied that morgoth was part of eru iluvatars plan, gollum is a smaller, but in many ways more profound expression of that idea. As far as a suggestion for the next villain? How about the Emperor from 40k? Everyone in 40k is evil, but the Emperor is one of the more interesting figures in that verse.
As many of Tolkiens characters are great, wonderful and interesting, it is hard to pick favourites. But Gollum is up there. He is such a tragic and interesting character. And I find it impossible to not pity him.
I think the difference between Bilbo and Smeagol is such an important distinction and I’m glad you mentioned it: Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity.
Thank you for doing a video on one of the most important and popular characters in the hobbit and lord of the rings characters i love and enjoy all of your videos
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would you ever consider analyzing Sling Blade?
Please do Magua from “The Last of the Mohicans” he’s one of the best villains in cinema and book history. A really complex character that deserves to be acknowledged and analyzed.
Analyzing Evil; The Suffering
Amazing video of Gollum. Anyway, can you do William Wharton from The Green Mile? Boy does that guy piss me off.
Hello again Vile Eye! Do you think you can also make a video on Handsome Jack from Borderlands as well? I'd love to hear your analysis on him.
It’s ironic that Smeagol one of if not the ring’s greatest victim ended being the cause of its own destruction. It’s so good.
Evil always destroys itself!
EXCELLENT WORK. THE VILE EYE 👁🗨
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In both the books and films, the very possessiveness meant to serve The Ring’s own ends ultimately led to its own undoing.
We see this in Saruman too, backstabbed pathetically by the long-mistreated Grima…
@@MistaGifyGood observation about Saruman.
Gollum and Smeagol were probably both happy at the end: Gollum got the one ring and Smeagol got to finally die while knowing that the one ring won't outlive him for long
I mean, lava takes a minute…
@doktordanomite9105 Flesh explodes upon touching actually So I imagine you'd be dead in at most 15 seconds From popping
@@josephkehler5241true we’ve all seen that video of the dude throwing organic matter into a volcano. Fireworks.
Someone made a very interesting comment where they presented the idea that the one ring doesn't actually make you live longer, it makes you die more slowly. This would explain why Bilbo says "I'm old Gandalf. I know I don't look it, but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart. I feel thin, sort of stretched. Like butter scraped over too much bread". The ring is stretching out his death.
Oh! Oh that makes so much sense! Combine it with "evil cannot create" it fits so perfectly together. Making you live longer would be creating more life. So it offers a cheap awful imitation and just kills you much much slower instead, while hollowing you out and/or amplifying your every negative inclination, depending on your interpretation of if evil is a thing in of itself, or merely the absence of good. In the same way that dark might be said to be an absence of light.
Very interesting perpective! Never thought about it like that before but it makes so much sense. This world just keeps giving❤
Geez, that is GRIM.
Is that not the exact same thing?
@@edwardmarshall2035yes and no perhaps
“It’s a pity Bilbo didn’t kill him when he had the chance.” “Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo’s hand. Many that live deserve death, some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet for good or ill, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.”
Andy Serkis gave 110% during the trilogy, as did everyone involved, and it shows. The extended versions are three of the best films ever made, and I can almost certainly guarantee subsequent versions made throughout our future as a species won't be as good.
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I love how the ring tried to use Sméagol so hard but ended up getting caught up in a 500 year, dead end, love affair.
No coincidence
Just like my ex amiright fellas
Smeagol is one of the best depictions of an addict in all of fiction.
Omg, Andy Serkis played Gollum perfectly. He made him both hateable and sympathetic, and I love it. thank you for making the video about him.
Gollum is a most timeless character thanks to what Andy could do with the role. Especially in his sympathetic aspect.
He did indeed.
Bless you.
Dude’s the king of mocap acting I swear.
Andy Serkis is the breakthrough human of Mocap. Dudes amazing.
fuck yall see him in Andor? sublime. completely fantastic!
Andy Serkis was de-evolving to play his part as an actual ape
I feel that Gollum is a personification of the real-world addict who is too far gone into their vices to come back. They've lost their souls, just as Gollum lost his to the Ring.
I know Tolkien didn't do allegory, but comparison of the ring's corruption to real life addiction is impossible to avoid. One of the movie moments that always stood out to me is, after it's destroyed, Frodo says "It's gone," first in a tone of relief at finally being free, then repeating it in a tone like "man, wish I could have one last hit though."
@@sonokawaray??? The entire series is a biblical allegory
@@Isthisjoebiden Death of the author and all that, but Tolkien is on record saying he hates allegories. So whatever symbolism we observe is what we read into it.
@@sonokawaray LOL maybe he was being facetious?
@@Isthisjoebidenthe world may never know
“We Soon Forgot The Taste of Bread, The Sound Of Wind In The Trees… We Even Forgot Our Name.”- Gollum/Smeagol. It really highlights the tragedy of Gollum, he never stood a chance agaisnt the allure of the ring, and without it he would have lived a peaceful life, but alas the utter corruption of smeagol into a shadow of his former self (gollum) and his all consumming obsession with the ring were what finally aided to it's destruction
It immediately corrupted him, too. It can't be overstated how much power the Ring has over people's minds. It's not just a McGuffin; it's almost a character of evil in and of itself despite being "just" an object.
It feels like that for me in my life through all the abuse as a child and traumas, and yet I never became an evil man. But the few weaknesses I had certainly were taken full advaadvantage of which is self indulgence and this led to terrible addiction. Heroin and crack became my precious and even after 25 years of addiction I’ve come a long way in my recovery but if I am overwhelmed by stress or hurt, it sometimes still gets the me of guard. I really understand Gollum so much. And I really love him.
Best wishes on your path to healing. @@alexandercarder2281
@@TheNotoriousMrDeeagreed. It is shown the ring has a will of its own (return to its owner) and can change things in the physical world (make itself heavier, hotter, etc.), it’s not much of a jump to simply say that the ring is another being of its own
I was anticipating Vile Eye to do Gollum sooner or later. Next Tolkien villain he should do is Saruman.
Saruman is in some ways worse than Sauron.
He wasn't corrupted by Morgoth like Sauron was, and he became far more petty than Sauron ever was.
I'd love to see Saruman next, I'd love to see The Easterlings, The Haradrim, The Corsairs of Umbar and The Wild Men get their own episodes (Sauron's Dark Forces of Men Allies)
And Smaug.
@@jamestoner3900 As much as I love this idea, I don't think there is enough information that Tolkien provided for a video on the evil men of Middle Earth.
@jamestoner3900 maybe lump those all together instead? I don't think there's enough canon for 4 separate videos on them
Isildor wasn’t “foolish” no one could willingly destroy the ring. Thats the point of Sauron pouring his will in to the ring.
Deagol was the lucky one and he died ....that's a chilling realization
Not really, Smeagol still had a chance because he was alive. Deagol had no chance at life because he was simply dead.
Being painfully throttled to death is in no way “lucky”.
@@cpegg5840 would you rather be strangled to death or live for hundreds of years as Gollum?
Better that then going through all what gollum went through if he'd got the ring instead
I wonder what it would have been like if Deagol had become Gollum.
So long has this channel covered despicable evil, monstrous evil, and terrifying evil.
Covering Gollum is exploring a type of evil I don't think I've seen on this channel--"Pitiable Evil". The things Gollum did were terrible and no one is about to look past it, but throughout Gollum's story, you see the toll it took on him and the fleeting glimmers of hope throughout all while you watch him turn it all away because the dark path he's walking is not only the result of his choices, they're also all that he has and all that he has known for centuries.
"He hates and loves the ring, as he hates and loves himself."
Which of these villains below, fit that description of pitable evil? Personally, I think it is Dr. Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man. A brilliant mind, who became victim to his own madness, and creation. I really felt bad for him.
Montgomery Barnes from The Simpsons
The Greek from The Wire
Eric Qualen from Cliffhanger
Nucky Thompson from Boardwalk Empire
Adebesi from Oz
The Caller from Phone Booth
Rico from Paid N Full
God from In Too Deep
Scarlet O'Hara from Gone with the Wind
Ma-Ma from Dredd
Dr. Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man
The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers
Roy Stampler from Primal Fear
Regina George from Mean Girls
The Cowboys from Tombstone
The Characters and Themes of The Player's Club
Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow from Bonnie&Clyde
Diana Christensen from Network
The Wicked Witch of the West from The Wizard of Oz
Nancy Downs from The Craft
Shane from The Walking Dead
Sgt. Waters from A Soldier's Story
Col. William Tavington from The Patriot
Longshanks from Braveheart
Nino Brown from New Jack City
Bricktop from Snatch
David McCall from Fear
Dr. Evil from The Austin Powers Franchise
Plankton from SpongeBob SquarePants
Leprechaun from The Leprechaun Series
Atia of the Julio from Rome
Deacon Frost from Blade
Sheriff William Tealse from Rambo First Blood
Yong-Suk from Train to Busan
Captain Henry Rhodes from Day of the Dead
Ike Turner from What's Love Got to do With It
Al Swearegen from Deadwood
Cody Jarrett from White Heat
The Penguin from Batman Returns
Clayton from Tarzan
Gen. Zod from Man of Steel
Paul Serone from Anaconda
Juntao&Sang from Rush Hour
Gyp Rosetti from Boardwalk Empire
Dr. Valentin Narcisse from Boardwalk Empire
Ralph Cifaretto from The Sopranos
Milko Velka from Blood In Blood Out
Money from Shot Caller
Ernst Stavro Blofeld from The James Bond Series
Franklin Saint from Snowfall
Bolo from Bloodsport
Magneto from X-Men Franchise
Frank Zito from Maniac
Art the Clown from Terrifier 1&2
Frank Lucas from American Gangster
Idi Amin from The Last King of Scotland
The Firefly Family from The Devil's Rejects
Hela from Thor: Ragnarok
Ghost Dog from Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
Déagol wasn't simply Sméagol's best friend. He was his cousin-kin. That is the true severity of his first crime under the influence of the One Ring. He murdered a blood relative.
Given how the names rhyme such as Drogo and Frodo, and Ham Gamgee and Sam Gamgee, along with Tolkien's Anglo-Saxon influence where kin-slaying is seen as a murder worse than murder, I am inclined to agree with you.
Imagine if Gollum completely redeemed himself and, after destroying the Ring with Frodo and Sam, moved with them to the Shire. It would be hilarious to see him chilling and smoking a pipe with both hobbits sitting on the grass. 😂😂😂
It would also be interesting to see how permanent the corruption was. Not his mind thou his minds been forever warped. I’m talking physically.
Was he truly ruined that even after redemption the scars stayed. Or dos he turn back into smegal just withered and beaten
I think Gollum in the books said he would’ve crumpled into dust if the ring were destroyed. He never stood a chance.
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@@vanguardian2864even the Elves had to flee after the ring was destroyed.
He would've turned to dust without the ring, so it would've been more of a Vader type redemption.
One thing to consider here for poor Smeagol is the fact that his life depended on the ring.
Consider how rapidly Bilbo aged after he had given up the ring and it was destroyed in Mount Doom.
Bilbo's lifespan was prolonged unnaturally by the ring, and once destroyed the effect wore off rapidly.
For Smeagol the ring's destruction would've meant certain death since he'd age 400 years in a matter of days.
I've listened to Andy Serkis narrate the Hobbit and LOTR Trilogy. And all I can say is after all these years, he's still got it with his Gollum voice.
8:46 I always interpreted that to mean that the power granted by the ring scales up with the power of the being possessing it. A lowly hobbit would get invisibility, long life and maybe some physical amp but a man or dwarf might get a much longer life and greater amp to their physical status and if a powerful godlike being got the ring it would amplify their already insane power to a ludicrous degree. This is backed up by Gandalf basically being afraid of holding it and implying that it could result in a terrible power beyond anything. Galadriel also has her infamous “all shall love me and despair” scene where she imagines how ridiculously powerful she would be with the ring.
Dwarves are mostly unaffected by the Rings. They don't turn invisible, their life spans are unaffected, and they can't be dominated. All the Seven Rings did was to inflame their greed. That's why Sauron spent centuries trying to hunt them down and take them back.
The fact that in the movie Galadrial gad that episode and still proudly said she resisted the rings effect made me go 'no... you kinda just went crazy there, but thanks for not exploding Frodo.'
@@voxfoxclips8684 She did resist it's effect, because she didn't take it.
Feels like the story of smeagol is that of addiction of a substance. Gollum being the Itching of a quick fix but knowing how bad it is and yet cant resist and smeagol being the real person underneath it all but struggles within himself, its very human
The opening of Return of the King showing Gollum's transformation was scary af. That said, imagine if Serkis played Gollum with practical make-up instead of CGI through the whole Trilogy
The way he looked mid-transformation was freakier looking that after his full transformation.
He should've! It wouldn't at all be THAT difficult, certainly not more difficult than what they DID do! Gollum was tbh as much as I love him in the films, the most immersion breaking thing about the whole trilogy. Arguably worse than Legolas and his gravity defying shenanigans. ARGUABLY lol but seriously I'm sick of seeing CGI characters whether they're motion capture or not. Just use the cgi to TOUCH THINGS UP if needed, don't just make the whole feckin character computer generated 🙄👽
One of the better villains in the last few decades. And one of the greatest characters ever written, let alone one by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien.
What I love about Tolkien's work is it's not only a story about power corrupting but also that people who have power tend to spread that corruption
Suggestions:
1. The Crow (graphic novel/film)
2. Erik (The Phantom of the Opera)
3. Haytham Kenway (Assassin's Creed III)
Great list. What do you think of these great villains?
Montgomery Barnes from The Simpsons
The Greek from The Wire
Eric Qualen from Cliffhanger
Nucky Thompson from Boardwalk Empire
Adebesi from Oz
The Caller from Phone Booth
Rico from Paid N Full
God from In Too Deep
Scarlet O'Hara from Gone with the Wind
Ma-Ma from Dredd
Dr. Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man
The Creeper from Jeepers Creepers
Roy Stampler from Primal Fear
Regina George from Mean Girls
The Cowboys from Tombstone
The Characters and Themes of The Player's Club
Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow from Bonnie&Clyde
Diana Christensen from Network
The Wicked Witch of the West from The Wizard of Oz
Nancy Downs from The Craft
Shane from The Walking Dead
Sgt. Waters from A Soldier's Story
Col. William Tavington from The Patriot
Longshanks from Braveheart
Nino Brown from New Jack City
Bricktop from Snatch
David McCall from Fear
Dr. Evil from The Austin Powers Franchise
Plankton from SpongeBob SquarePants
Leprechaun from The Leprechaun Series
Atia of the Julio from Rome
Deacon Frost from Blade
Sheriff William Tealse from Rambo First Blood
Yong-Suk from Train to Busan
Captain Henry Rhodes from Day of the Dead
Ike Turner from What's Love Got to do With It
Al Swearegen from Deadwood
Cody Jarrett from White Heat
The Penguin from Batman Returns
Clayton from Tarzan
Gen. Zod from Man of Steel
Paul Serone from Anaconda
Juntao&Sang from Rush Hour
Gyp Rosetti from Boardwalk Empire
Dr. Valentin Narcisse from Boardwalk Empire
Ralph Cifaretto from The Sopranos
Milko Velka from Blood In Blood Out
Money from Shot Caller
Ernst Stavro Blofeld from The James Bond Series
Franklin Saint from Snowfall
Bolo from Bloodsport
Magneto from X-Men Franchise
Frank Zito from Maniac
Art the Clown from Terrifier 1&2
Frank Lucas from American Gangster
Idi Amin from The Last King of Scotland
The Firefly Family from The Devil's Rejects
Hela from Thor: Ragnarok
Ghost Dog from Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
@@JayCity10 I would love to see Nucky Thompson. I just started watching Boardwalk Empire and I really enjoy his character. Steve Buschemi does an amazing job!
Omg i would love to see Haytham
He should try to do literature villains, like Humbert Humbert for an example.
Yes I would love to see a Haythem video
I don’t know why this wasn’t mentioned, especially because this analysis got very close to addressing it when talking about the difference between Bilbo and Gollum; the effect the ring has on whoever has ownership of it is influenced by the manor in which the ring came into the holder’s possession. Sméagol obtained the ring via murder, so the effect it had on him was much more harsh than what it was for Bilbo.
Maybe you should consider making a video on the One Ring itself? Should be interesting, almost philosiphical.
That’s actually one of the best ideas I’ve ever heard
The One Ring IS Sauron.
I lierally TODAY just finished Return of the King on audiobook. Perfect timing to watch this
We need a Anthony Star as Homelander video. That is an Oscar worth of a performance
The ending always gives me shivers. Thanks you for this amazing analysis on Gollum, a character I really love.
My top 3 suggestions:
- Analyzing Evil: Park Yeon-jin from The Glory
- Analyzing Evil: Thor "The Swede" Gundersen from Hell on Wheels
- Analyzing Evil: Frank from Once Upon a Time in the West
"And so Gollum found them hours later, when he returned, crawling and creeping down the path out of the gloom ahead. Sam sat propped against the stone, his head dropping side ways and his breathing heavy. In his lap lay Frodo’s head, drowned deep in sleep; upon his white forehead lay one of Sam’s brown hands, and the other lay softly upon his master’s
breast. Peace was in both their faces.
Gollum looked at them. A strange expression passed over his lean hungry face. The gleam faded from his eyes, and they went dim and grey, old and tired. A spasm of pain seemed to twist him, and he turned away, peering back up towards the pass, shaking his head, as if engaged in some interior debate. Then he came back, and slowly putting out a trembling hand, very cautiously he touched Frodo’s knee -
but almost the touch was a caress. For a fleeting moment, could one of the sleepers have seen him, they would have thought that they beheld an old weary hobbit, shrunken by the years that had carried him far beyond his time, beyond friends and kin, and the fields and streams of youth, an old
starved pitiable thing.
But at that touch Frodo stirred and cried out softly in his sleep, and immediately Sam was wide awake."
One of my favorite lines from the book.
Gollum is a depiction of an addict.
I like to think that Smeagol surfaced a little in Gollum when they bit off Frodo's finger to reclaim the ring and plummet into the lava of mount doom.
I view gollum’s story as a tragedy (same as a view the orcs existence) rather than a story of a villain being defeated in the end
If plan on doing more Middle Earth characters I highly recommend
•Saruman&Grima
•Smaug
•Denethor
•Ar-Pharazôn
Love your work keep it up 👍
A few to suggest for future vids:
Nucky Thompson -Boardwalk Empire,
J R Ewing-Dallas,
Louis Da Palma-Taxi
Johnny Friendly-On The Waterfront
Nathan R Jessup- A Few Good Men
Cody Jarrett-White Heat
Great video as usual. I have a few characters that you should look into:
1. Nino Brown from New Jack City
2.Frank White from King of New York
3.Colonel Tavington from The Patriot
4.Neil McCauley from Heat
5.Douda from The Chi
I love when evil loses because of its destructive nature.
Oft evil will doth evil mar.
Dude, I REALLY want a good long video on Zero Wolf from Apocalypto. Thanks. Your stuff is always great.
I've always liked broken, fallen characters, Smeagol/Gollum is one such character. A simple minded Hobbit who was twisted easily into a vile dark character.
The thing with gollum is that the core of his greed and by extension his evil was love. Love for the ring and what it was and not necessarily the power and prestige it brought. I could be wrong still, the ring came to gollum as a result of greed and was taken from him as a result of greed. And it was greed that destroyed the ring.
Analysing Evil : Cartman from South Park
I second this
Cartman is long overdue
Yas! Absolutely
I'm still waiting on Bricktop from Snatch. It's been a year now.
That thumbnail with the ring as the O is perfect! Gollum would have definitely approved
Now it’s gone :(
WOW!!!! Now i see a lot more of the character Gollum, thank you for showing the in depth story of this character, he could not escape from the deeds that he made a long time ago, the past is never done it never disappears no matter how far away you go.
There he is!
Any chance that the next Legendarium character can be Feanor?
I've never clicked on an Analyzing Evil video faster than I did just now for this video.
I REALLY LOVE YOUR TAKES ON THESE CHARCTERS
Amazing video! So eloquently and punctually explained. Thank you for making this content.
What a wonderful summary of this unique character, and what a powerful moral message is conveyed through his story.
What a precious episode
Politely requesting an episode on season 1 of True Detective. Would love to see you take a deep dive into the Yellow King and Carcosa/Tuttle Cult
Andy Serkis played Gollum to perfection! He found the perfect balance between hatable and sympathetic! He deserves all the recognition and awards he got and more!
You made 4 different comments 🤣
@@Doonn68 that’s usually how you make a statement. You put together sentences that correlate to each other and then you end them with the period. Glad you learned something today.
@@Doonn68Actually it was 3
Man, you keep getting better and better.
Suggestions for villains I'd love to see featured:
*Tracy Flick (Election) [25th anniversary this year!]
*Clyde Shelton (Law-Abiding Citizen) [15th anniversary this year!]
*Ben Willis (I Know What You Did Last Summer)
Love your Tolkien videos
I'm really loving your work. The intro of you in person is working really well for me too. I love seeing the Wise Vile Eye greet the audience like we are seated in a warm lounge room to watch a great mind speak to us.
Keep it up!
I love this so much, everything with tolkiens legendarium, this analyzing evil is amazing🙏
The most evil thing concerning Gollum is that he got a dedicated video game instead of Aragorn, Frodo, or anything from the Silmarillion 💀
Aragorn got a game fym
Any day we get an episode of Analyzing Evil is a good day.
The greatest evil was that Gollum game released last year. Gollum himself couldn't be more evil than that. :V
Not sure if you knew this but soon after gollum left the Misty mountains to search for the ring he ate several babies
WHAAAAAA
That's true. Was it Gandalf or the elves that told about it?
Those were actually rumors going around. There was never any actual confirmation that Gollum ever did this or had opportunity to do so.
How a birthday present turns you evil.
I would love to see a future episode on David from Prometheus and Alien Covenant!
Fun fact, "Precious" is the name the Ring gives itself. Every non-Sauron character that picks it up ends up referring to it as such, including Isildur.
Analyzing evil: Pablo Escobar when?
I'm still waiting on Idi Amin from The Last King of Scotland. Forrest Whitaker was great.
As for suggestions...
-Mistah Albert (The Color Purple, both versions)
-Sideshow Bob (The Simpsons)
-Calypso (Twisted Metal series)
The Witch King of Angmar, next, please! Thanks for what ya do
For you, Sméagol,
On your Birthday….
*A Gift.*
🔥👁️🔥
If Bagginses loses, we eats it.
I'm a new Tolkien fan, watched the LoTR movies and read The Hobbit for the first time this year. Gollum is maybe my second or third favorite character. I love how he is written, what the message of his character is, and he also really hit as someone who is working on being better from past mistakes and holding onto all that guilt.
Some villain recommendations I have: Wheatley (video game, Portal 2), Rattlesnake Jake (animated movie, Rango), Billy (horror movie, Black Christmas 1974).
exhalent work on covering Gollum from start to end 👍👍
hope you'd do
Analyzing Evil: Jason Dean from Heathers
Analyzing Evil: Pearl from X and Pearl
Analyzing Evil: Gaston from Beauty And The Beast
Analyzing Evil: Jafar from Aladdin
Analyzing Evil: Homelander from The Boys
Analyzing Evil: Jack Napier/The Joker from Batman 1989
We need an Analyzing Evil on Homelander!
On the topic of great evils that corrupt otherwise noble beings: the Prophet of Truth from the Halo series.
While we're at it, Arbiter Thel Vadam from the Halo series as well- not an evil character, but one who's committed many great evil deeds. It could be a nice segway into an "Analyzing Redemption series"
would LOVE a video on The Qu from All Tomorrows
The Lore,Depth, & characters of Lord of the rings can simply just never be matched ever, i truly believe this is the best movie/books ever to be made ❤
I love what Andy Serkis did for Gollum. He’s like a hairless ape about to kill you just for something shiny
"A hairless ape about tô kill you for something shining" now that is the hole story of mankind
Thank you sir very insightful analysis. I wish more people understood this. Empathy is so needed in this very real world.
It'd be great to see an Analyzing Evil on Arthas Menethil
"My precious"-Gollum/smeagol. His most famous quote and one of the most iconic lines in literature and cinematic history
Suggestions:
Count Dracula (from Dracula)
Erik ( from The Phantom of The Opera)
Victor Frankenstein and his monster (from Frankenstein)
William Afton/Springtrap (from Five Nights at Freddy's series)
Mayor John (from Rango)
Rattlesnake Jake (from Rango)
He should do the Macbeths next.
Having read the books long before Peter Jackson's movies, I always felt sorry for Gollum. He maybe wasn't the kindest of Hobbits before the Ring found him, but he wasn't evil. The Ring corrupted him and his life.
For a suggestion - anyone, or anything, from the Person Of Interest series. If you haven't watched it yet, you're in for a ride!
Your calming voice would put pharmacies out of bussiness. More please.
Please do Magua from The Last of The Mohicans. He’s one of the most interesting and profound villains in cinema and book history. A very complex character that deserves to be analyzed.
Ngl, the concept of Gollum befriending a beautiful blind elf sounds amazing af. Too bad it was from the Gollum game
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Fanfic ahh game.
Ah yes, the Gollum Game, one of the worst game ever in 2023.
Damn, you are cranking these out quick lately. Good on you
Analyzing Evil: Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors)
Analyzing Evil: Joe Cooper (Killer Joe)
Such a good character, with huge implications that stretch back to the song of arda. It's implied that morgoth was part of eru iluvatars plan, gollum is a smaller, but in many ways more profound expression of that idea. As far as a suggestion for the next villain? How about the Emperor from 40k? Everyone in 40k is evil, but the Emperor is one of the more interesting figures in that verse.
Gollum was so obsessed with the Ring he jumped into a volcano for it
He was "pushed" Eru steps in while Gollum dances in joy of reclaiming the ring, and his jumping into the fire was divine providence.
@@ComicalHealingwould have been a good wesker
@ComicalHealing So it was Eru Illuvatar that destroyed the One Ring?
@@ComicalHealingThat would ruin the whole point of the story. Evil turning against itself is one of the themes Tolkien worked on.
As many of Tolkiens characters are great, wonderful and interesting, it is hard to pick favourites.
But Gollum is up there. He is such a tragic and interesting character. And I find it impossible to not pity him.
I saw this and clicked immediately. And i could have sworn I was subbed.
That issue is corrected now, carry on, Friend.
I think the difference between Bilbo and Smeagol is such an important distinction and I’m glad you mentioned it:
Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so. With Pity.
Martin Walker from Spec Ops The Line please
Thank you for doing a video on one of the most important and popular characters in the hobbit and lord of the rings characters i love and enjoy all of your videos
Gollum in the movies is basically one of those horrible little Chihuahuas, and Frodo is your aunt who insists he's actually sweet.
😂😂
Sam is the husband who hates the dog but has no choice but to put up with it because the wife loves it so much
The Boys: Soldier Boy
AHS: James Patrick March
Justified: Boyd Crowder
You know, if you never showed on camera i would have thought your voice was AI. What a voice man.
Watching you try to make sense of that game's story would be hilarious!
Would be really cool if you covered Wilson Fisk and Ben Poindexter from the Daredevil Series!
You should do Saruman and Denethor next for Tolkien villains! 😁