Arturia Pigments wants me to sell my Iridium (again)

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  • I finally bought Arturia's powerhouse soft synth, Pigments 4. Turns out you were all right - it's awesome, but is there still a case for keeping my Waldorf Iridium? Why even bother with hardware synths anyway?
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  • @emilyharpist
    @emilyharpist ปีที่แล้ว +115

    First

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Gonna pin this comment for the world to see and tell them it was Barry

    • @mrwplay1
      @mrwplay1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Did you watch the video before replying? Lol

    • @emilyharpist
      @emilyharpist ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@mrwplay1 no, but now I did. the track sounds too good!

    • @mrwplay1
      @mrwplay1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@emilyharpist I can see I am going to have to up my game. In my defence I just felt compelled to watch, listen and experience first. And I got lost in the wonderful electronic textures before heading for the keyboard. “Game on! For next week Emily 👏👏👏”

    • @X22GJP
      @X22GJP ปีที่แล้ว

      First what? Idiot? Only reason I ask is because only idiots post like that in forums and comments sections these days. Kudos for not writing f1r5T though.

  • @VenusTheory
    @VenusTheory ปีที่แล้ว +231

    Single handedly keeping Waldorf in business buying and selling this many Iridiums

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Basically a vendor at this point, and yet they still steadfastly refuse to send me the keyboard poly aftertouch version 😭

    • @petewigley9985
      @petewigley9985 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JamesonNathanJones I watch both your channels. I used to own a Waldorf Q when they first came out back nearly 25 years ago. I've owned and sold many synths, but I do always come back to the fact that the Access Virus TI can do everything. I haven't tried the iridium but it sounds a bit shiny and glassy/polished if you ask me. Opposite to the prophet 6 for example. Imo even the Peak still isn't as good as Virus Ti. It has all the wavetables, pretty much everything in there. you can even make it sound 'analog' even though its a virtual analog anyway.
      I have pigments and I don't ever use it. For some sounds I'm sure it sounds perfect, but overall I just find most soft synths sound grainy, and lacking dimension/depth. Plus lets be honest, can you name one soft synth that actually haas a good filter? (they don't exist).
      In my theory, audiophiles get fussy about what cables and amp they use with there speakers (small differences in sound). Surely then it makes a difference to using a soft synth or a hardware synth? I can hear the difference. Other people think VST sound superior to hardware. Its just not true. Diva is good, not bad but is it better than a peak even? or a Nord lead 2 (never owned one) but I bet it isn't.

    • @Cautionary-Tales-Band
      @Cautionary-Tales-Band ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@petewigley9985 there’s no inherent difference sonically between a VA and a VST synth

    • @petewigley9985
      @petewigley9985 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Cautionary-Tales-Band The scientific explanation would be that the processors in hardware are designed efficiently to do the processing they need than the ones in a computer.
      Everyone has different ears but to my ears after using vst and hardware for years, the best hardware sounds better than the best VST's.
      No software vst has a filter as good as a va or especially real analog. The algorithms for them aren’t good enough to emulate the sound of a real analog filter. Just like digital eqs imo don’t sound as good as analog. The Virus has the best non analog filter I've ever heard, but it did use 7 top of the range processors from 2003. It is a bit of freak - yes there is Viper but it doesn't sound as good. (otherwise everyone would just use Viper vst).
      Allan and Heaths filters are better than pioneers, I think that's pretty much widely accepted?? One's analog the other is digital. Not a debate really!
      People will always believe what they want to imo. Whatever suits their beliefs. To my ears you can’t get the sound of a moog voyager out of software, and for the reasons as explained above a vst can’t even beat a processor designed/programmed specifically from 1998 (jp8000 - digital aliasing that sounded good !or virus c).
      Do top studios still use Hardware Reverb instead of VST plugins? Yes because the algorithms for reverb are incredibly complex, that only recently VST reverbs could get 75% there.
      Same applies to VA hardware - algorithms.
      Plus why do people spend £4000 for an analog summing box instead of just bouncing things in a DAW? Maybe because its specifically designed to do that one thing?
      However you are right, VA and VST's should sound the same theoretically but they don't imo, simply because a VA can use algorithms which are powered specifically by a whole processor designed to do that. VST's are always at the mercy over too much CPU usage.
      So there is why VST's don't sound the same and it's not just my ears hearing differently to yours. Not a debate. Don't hate America 😅

    • @Cautionary-Tales-Band
      @Cautionary-Tales-Band ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@petewigley9985 that's not really true, and hasn't been for years. The CPUs in modern computers are much, much faster than the chips inside something like an Iridium, and unlike say... a GPU, audio processing isn't particularly optimisable by using specific hardware architectures, so hardware VA units aren't out-performing computers at all.
      In fact, when designing hardware synths, CPU limitations and constraints are a much bigger issue than when designing VSTs.
      (Analog summing boxes have been empirically debunked by Dan Worrall. They don't do anything,)

  • @rgeraldc80s
    @rgeraldc80s ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I love Pigments! But for me, the biggest thing with soft synths and hardware is much of what you said. Soft is easy to fire up quickly. The reason I love hardware so much is my life is always on a screen and hardware is like mediation. My job is on a computer, I stare at phones and screens all day, including TH-cam and movies, so being able to not look at a screen (or only a small led screen) and just use my ears is peaceful and inspiring. Yes every sound is available in software, so use both.

    • @artephank
      @artephank ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It depends on the workflow. I have all my gear (not that much really) always connected to each other, so I just turn on my stack and it is ready to play. It is literally faster to turn it up than to boot up Ableton. But sure, software is way more powerful. However, it is also more intentional - you kinda need to know what you want to achieve. With hardware you can just mess around with buttons and knobs;)

    • @mickeythompson9537
      @mickeythompson9537 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      *"The reason I love hardware so much is my life is always on a screen and hardware is like mediation."*
      So good, it needed quoting!!

    • @VinylWave11
      @VinylWave11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You stated it in a way that I definitely feel with hardware synths, I loose myself in it like in meditation and then it is not like work. It is bliss to be there with an actual instrument. While I do also use software. I have moved to only using it for mixing and mastering mostly, which has been very freeing. I don't unplug my Iridium or other synths from my mixer setup, so I just push the on button for the synths and GO. I do move around my setup for my samplers and microphones as I am experimenting with different workflow and sound options, but that is the extent plugging in something.

    • @InFamousProductions
      @InFamousProductions ปีที่แล้ว

      well stated. same for most of us tech nerds I think haha

    • @unisonosc1617
      @unisonosc1617 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mickeythompson9537 problem with this idea is most current production hardware has a screen and menus. Its more common it will be a small screen with menus and encoders to scroll through settings and even more sub menus. Even the new Oberheim OB-X8 requires the user the scroll through settings on a tiny screen just to set oscillator volumes in its mixer. If you are using simple analog gear with true knob per function, no screen, menus, or patch memory then that is valid.

  • @ryanhursh6322
    @ryanhursh6322 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Damn that moment when the Polybrute and Pigments plays… immaculate 👏🏼

  • @license_________2________chill
    @license_________2________chill ปีที่แล้ว +15

    the rare soundtuber who makes stuff I'd actually want to listen to

  • @jimonaldo3108
    @jimonaldo3108 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Dude I loved the sounds you were making so much that it inspired me to open my software synth and try to make some cool patches. I’m usually the type of guy who just uses patches but you gave me that kick just now to make something cool unique and mine.

  • @MistyMusicStudio
    @MistyMusicStudio ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Making patches away from the computer is such a relaxing way to spend downtime 🧘 Pretty much all my hardware was bought "because it's fun without the computer" haha. Your layers gave me chills! A little reminiscent of Ori & The Blind Forest OST [which I love]

    • @ntrnlgrv
      @ntrnlgrv 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I feel the same. I have to work on a computer for my job. My hardware is my release from having to look at a screen.

  • @ryan.noakes
    @ryan.noakes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good video, thank you for putting this out there. Though I learned synthesis on a vintage Buchla synth (so much fun!) I am purely on software synths since graduating from university because I have no space in my rather small room for any hardware. I picked up Pigments last year and have been really happy with it since.

  • @VinylWave11
    @VinylWave11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I sit or stand to play music on an actual physical instrument no matter if it is a guitar, synthesizer, or Sampler, get inspired by my options and limitations. I move with the instruments physicality of feel and sound. I began decades ago with guitar, saxophone and piano.
    Mine is a different informed perspective of many decades of creating art and then music with both physical art tools and computer aided art tools. My day job for years included a lot of work on computers, years of creating art and music mostly with computers and then iPads and Apps and then the pandemic. I think computers and other screen time made me numb! I am moving towards a much less DAW and computer dependent workflow, not without computers, BUT I like many people want options that don't include touching a computer or staring at a screen, or dragging and dropping anything unless it is dropping something in an actual trash can.
    I have been experimenting with other options for music production for the last two years, with microphones, instruments, an MPC, Zoom recorder, and SP 404 MK2. I don't unplug my Iridium or other synths from my mixer setup, so I just push the on button for the synths and GO. I do move around my setup for my samplers and microphones as I am experimenting with different workflow and sound options, but that is the extent plugging in something. I am opening up to really experimenting with process and to be honest it feels really great to not touch a mouse or look at a computer screen for days, to put it bluntly it's AWESOME to have zero screen time for a week.
    I have goal this year to start having one week a month that I don't look at any screens...well only the screen on my MPC or my Iridium, not even a phone or email! It makes me very excited to think about it. I think I will wear Hawaiian shirts and no shoes, only flip flops those days too and only talk to other people in person. Because the days and weeks that I have done this so far are much more productive and creative. One other thing I am also doing with the free time that has been freed up from scrolling and searching is reading books...with real paper...with a variety of ideas...from the library...Life feels much more like LIFE this way and it is better than a vacation!

  • @jamesc9862
    @jamesc9862 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Pigments actually piqued my interest in the Iridium/Quantum. Glad to hear I'm not missing out on too much with just Pigments alone. Both software and hardware have their strengths and should be appreciated!

    • @andreasoberg2021
      @andreasoberg2021 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Quantum Mk2 is incredibly fun and fast to work with. I use it every day.

  • @musicismyvegetables2900
    @musicismyvegetables2900 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am at the starting point where I only have software synth and I ask myself why should I get a hardware synth for thousands of bucks when my setup so far is only the fraction of the costs.

  • @irauchimax
    @irauchimax ปีที่แล้ว +3

    you're a brilliant human being, thanks a lot for the knowledge and for the time you put in your passion. I will give a listen to your creations !

  • @philipford6183
    @philipford6183 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I parted with the last of my hardware keyboards some years ago, as I'd begun to fully-embrace a world of softsynths. By the time I purchased Pigments I already had things like Ominsphere 2, the Korg Collection, Kontakt, etc in my arsenal of sounds. TBH, I've never looked back and I don't miss the hardware. My only regret is that I never really dig into any of these amazing softsynths; I'm very much a surface-level user (presets all the way, for me), yet I know something like Pigments can do vastly more than I'll ever use it for.

    • @judethree4405
      @judethree4405 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That’s me also. This becomes an issue when you collect too much gear (hard or soft). Like maybe if you just had one good synth, you could deep dive into it, but when you have 5,6,7 synths, it’s you can barely keep up with firmware updates, let alone deep dives.

  • @TonyAndersonMusic
    @TonyAndersonMusic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello. Question for you. Do you prefer cheaper American cheese on your cheeseburgers or higher quality cheddar? Please comment and reply. Thank you. Wonderful film by the way - would love to see you do a screen recording session of how you make sounds in pigments

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What’s that stuff that comes in a can? Nothing quite like a cheesewizburger.

  • @fallenshallrise
    @fallenshallrise ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When a lot of this 'hardware' is a bunch of digitized knobs controlling software running on a really shitty chip and barely any ram then running a plugin for a digital synth is actually a huge upgrade.

  • @ReneGBoscio
    @ReneGBoscio ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One of the things I love most about your videos is that they feel like watching a docuseries. Every now and then some musical themes from previous "episodes" (i.e. your discography) will sneak in and pull at all the heart strings. Like when "As of Old" comes in at 3:21.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haha thanks man! That one feels like it was from a previous episode of my LIFE 😅🙏

  • @syneman1
    @syneman1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pigments is a game changer. The step sequencer is also amazing! Thanks for your honest opinions. The most important is what works best in your workflow,

  • @hans-jorgschmerer5482
    @hans-jorgschmerer5482 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Million Thanks for this wise assessment. You are a 100 percent right. Hardware and software synths together work so well. I do it exactly as you show in the video and it is great fun. Playing around with hardware and then putting soft synth on top of it!

  • @peterhz55
    @peterhz55 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've used both Iridium and Pigments for a couple of years. I don't think I would ever have seen one as replacing the other. The Iridium is just so enjoyable to use - a digital synth that's as much fun to use as the Matriarch. Pigments is as good as VSTs get, but actual hands on control is hard to beat. This being said, your Iridium sound pack is truly excellent (one of the best out there, I think) , and is set up to use all the Iridium control possibilities. So please don't abandon the Iridium, and make some more sound packs....

    • @jammystraub488
      @jammystraub488 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's interesting you compare it to the Matriarch, because I do love my Matriarch. It's nice to hear they have similar fun factors.

  • @SRV2013
    @SRV2013 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just get Omnisphere, which I did, and I never look back.

  • @DodgaOfficial
    @DodgaOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sound design truly is one of those things that can give you that "secret sauce." Presets are cool, but even if you modify them a little bit to your tastes, it can really take your music to the next level. Learning to use a synth is a huge benefit to any producer.

  • @vampolascott36
    @vampolascott36 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just love seeing anything with an Iridium.

  • @larrypoulton6401
    @larrypoulton6401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Firstly, I agree with you. I started making music in 1980 with a Korg MS20, SQ10 and a 2 track cassette recorder. Fast forward to the last 20 years and I have bought and sold too many synths to remember. I have just sold my last and am left with a Moog Sub37 as every synth nerd should own at least one Moog in their lifetime - right? I have been using Pigments since it came out. I 'clicked' with it immediately and have created hundreds of patches. I even manage to sell some now and then. The hardware vs software does my head in. If I needed a wet tissue, a rusty spoon and an Atari ST to make music, that's what I would use. Its whatever works for you. I do like he immediacy of knobs but have found, as I grew more and more familiar with Pigments, that I navigate around it just as quickly and am often rewarded with many surprises. Keep the music coming - it sounded lovely.

  • @jon_gee
    @jon_gee ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Right on!!! Nicely done. You are a great teacher. LISTEN UP KIDS this guy knows what’s up.
    I started with Acid Pro and Reason and a crappy home built PC and made some of my all time favorite tracks I still listen to today.

  • @HarMegiddo
    @HarMegiddo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent wisdom about hardware and not going into debt or feeling less than! Cheers mate!

  • @AdamElteto
    @AdamElteto ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would say at this point, the thing that is really going for hardware synths is reliability in performance. You do not get glitches, crackles, pops, clicks and that unintended bitcrushing sound in hardware boxes as much as you do in a computer setup. A PC rig has too many links in the chain that can ruin performance, and the CPU is designed to do a lot of different things generally, not just ONE thing really well.
    You have an audio interface capturing MIDI (or USB MIDI), you have the PC itself, then the OS, DAW, VST, then the sound goes back out to an audio interface... Many links that can break. You can spend $3,000 on a MacBook Pro, another $1,000 on an audio interface, hundreds of dollars on a DAW, $480 on Omnsiphere, and you can still drive the whole expensive rig to glitching with ONE instance of Omnisphere.
    On the other hand, you can buy a Korg Wavestate for a few hundred dollars, it has a cheap Raspberry Pi in it, and it does not glitch like a multi-thousand dollar computer rig. Mainly because hardware synth embedded computers are designed to do one thing. My Korg, Roland and Yamaha hardware units do not crackle, pop, click glitch or otherwise emit random unwanted noises, and some of them are decades old. Sure, they do not do all the fancy stuff a PC with a DAW and VSTs would do, but at least they are reliable in the studio, on the road, and on stage. As an example, I doubt 20 years from now my computer/interface/OS/DAW/VST rig will perform as well as it does now. But most of my hardware synths have been doing that, and they do not seem to be in decline.

    • @dbefore7165
      @dbefore7165 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hardware synths are just computers in a standalone box, they can have just as many issues

    • @NeuroPete
      @NeuroPete 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes. My 10 year old Kurzweil synth never glitches.

  • @TUNEDPIECESMUSIC
    @TUNEDPIECESMUSIC หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wowwwwwww what a FN cool tape loop you had going on from your 4 trk cassette around the lamp and then to your mixer and back...

  • @darkcognitive
    @darkcognitive ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Use both, depending on the mood, simple as that. Doesn’t continually have to be a competition in your head between this Vs that all the time, although i get it, it makes for good content for a video.
    I have a polybrute, iridium, and a few other hardware synths. I also have software synths…both have their own place in my studio and their own ‘time’ for me to use them…and in a lot of cases, i use them in conjunction with each other.

  • @earlsfield
    @earlsfield ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bought Iridium about a year ago. Had it for a few days, sent it back and bought UDO Super 6. Thing is, IF you are a gigging musician and/or work without the computer, Iridium is quite feature packed and it has a lots to offer. However, for me, it was just another box containing plugins (very good emulations, loved kernel, nice wavetables), so in no way is it a wasted money, but for two grand I felt I could get a different instrument. Again , I started in early nineties with hardware synths, mostly romplers and few low end fm stuff, and of course one Iridium is like space shuttle for all Roland JVs and Yamaha TX81Z out there, even for the DX7. But since I can choose to use something like Pigments, that has almost all the features of the Iridium, and I do use computer (rarely for sound source and mostly for tracking, but still I have quite a few plugins), I'd rather invest money elsewhere.

    • @N-trepid1
      @N-trepid1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Curious, did the Super 6 live up to expectations? I've been on the fence for a couple of years now re: the Super6. Very impressed with the S6 & UDO. Then Dave Smith's final act the Trigon 6 was released. Completely different sound pallet, but what a gorgeous sounding compliment to my OB6. Super 6 verdict? Thanks.

    • @earlsfield
      @earlsfield ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@N-trepid1 Super 6 is an absolute monster and probably one of the most original poly synths in the recent years - at first I was looking at it as J6 clone, which I also have, and thought I can give it a pass, but then realized J6 was only the inspiration. It can do all the classic analogue stuff (it is FPGA based, but the signal path is analogue and filter and amp give it rich, high end analogue sound), but more importantly, it can do many things my Sequential Prophet 10, OB6 and REV2 cannot. Will add a few videos soon, just can't get the time. So S6 is total score, community including George is amazing and instrument keeps on getting serious fw updates. FPGA does prevent for certain minor things but allows for crazy programming if you have bold idea, like the one George had with S6. Absolutely, my second used synth last year, maybe Prophet 10 and REV2 do more classic stuff work, but S6 is equally there, from low end creamy bass, over all kinds of cross mod stuff with digital waves, to awesome super-wave pads. it is a monster, really. tune into my channel, should post 3 s6 videos by the end of the week.

  • @InFamousProductions
    @InFamousProductions ปีที่แล้ว

    and I totally agree with the separation of patch making vs track making. it is so separate , and I may spend a few hours at night only making patches, just to pull it out when ever for a track. great look at the situation.

  • @ryanperrault8174
    @ryanperrault8174 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've found that mixing the sounds together works really well. They compliment each other and help fill out sounds/spaces the other are missing.

  • @final_mile_music9713
    @final_mile_music9713 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You’re right about not needing hardware. But not in the generalization that you can’t tell the difference IMHO. I think ‘it depends’. There’s stuff things like pigments does that my hardware doesn’t, which is why I use it. But then that’s true in reverse for my Grandmother. And other HW synths.

  • @JeremiahTrue
    @JeremiahTrue ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I recently bought a Hydrasynth and realized that, in many ways, it was Vital in a box with more limitations. With that said… I really enjoy using it and love the sounds I’ve made with it.

  • @NineFourOneMedia
    @NineFourOneMedia ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Felt the same at first, Pigments is excellent, but keeping the Iridium.

  • @roodegar
    @roodegar ปีที่แล้ว

    I run Pigments on the MP MIDI Controller. This way it gets a touchscreen and physical encoders. I believe that’s as close to a hardware Pigments as you can currently get and still cheaper than an Iridium. Plus you can use the controller for all kinds of other plug-ins as well.

  • @GWills-ys6rd
    @GWills-ys6rd ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree, it's about workflow. Hardware replication is more of a requirement when there is an element of performance, such as occasionally (or regularly) playing live on a stage.

  • @RobbieMaynardCreates
    @RobbieMaynardCreates 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That knocking sound at 4:30 sounded like it someone was at my door that I took my headphones off and got up to answer it.

  • @michaelkonomos
    @michaelkonomos ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I ADORE Pigments. It does SO much. I love hardware and software both. thanks for making this.

    • @artephank
      @artephank ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I tried Modwave plugin (demo) lately and it is like pigments lite but waay easier and faster to use. Highly recommended, will buy during next Korg sale

  • @nicof7704
    @nicof7704 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate your very thoughtful content, it’s amazing to see the way you view the world of music and synths and hardware and software and all of this technology

  • @willswitchcraft
    @willswitchcraft ปีที่แล้ว

    love that last line.......................awesome voice, always awesome insights.......................

  • @frankwalders
    @frankwalders ปีที่แล้ว

    When I want to make a sound in any soft synth I open them (if possible, Pigments can) in standalone mode, that gives me the focus. Opening it in a DAW is more distracting, but of course in other situations darn handy.

  • @rottingsunrecords666
    @rottingsunrecords666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really enjoy my hardware synths, especially my Juno but I actually use a plugin based on the Juno in my metal music. The synth has a higher noise floor vs the plugin and has a few things the originals didn’t. I like both workflows. Hardware when I’m burned out from looking at a screen and software the rest of the time.
    I also started with just a laptop, a cheap guitar, and an interface I found at a pawn shop, usb mic for vocals.
    You can get stuck in thinking new or better gear makes you a better musician but it really doesn’t. Only time and dedication makes you better

  • @HJPhilippi
    @HJPhilippi ปีที่แล้ว

    Knowledge meets honesty meets sarcasm. That's unique and what I like most about your videos.

  • @qomplex
    @qomplex ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Software instruments have truly come a long way. Exciting times to live

  • @TheBurdenOfHope
    @TheBurdenOfHope หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ah man. You’re smart. I found you after spending a day binging Venus Theory videos and I’m grateful to the algorithm overlords for that.
    I’m a guitarist “by trade” (e.g. way too bad at the instrument having played it for 20 years) so actually writing in a DAW using soft synths and VST instruments is a joy. So inspiring for me - I love sound design and playing with a whole universe of instruments and taking the inspiration straight into the next layer of the track. Honestly my guitar has been gathering more dust than before as I explore this world!
    Truly there are pros and cons to both soft and hard ware and we need to stop s******g on people in general whose process is different to your own. If it sounds good it is good. Keep up the great work man ❤

  • @Jegkedermigmega
    @Jegkedermigmega 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting arguments. They resonate quite a lot with me. I have the Hydrasynth for the second time now, and I am constantly contemplating selling it. Why? Well, because I can easily replicate a lot of the weird and glitchy stuff I use it for in Pigments, and Pigments furthermore adds more variety to the sound (sample playback etc.). I've had a hard time pinpointing why I haven't pulled the trigger on the sale yet, but I think it's because I end up in peculiar places with the Hydrasynth. So even though I can easily make things that sound alike to the Hydrasynth with Pigments, I often times *don't*; this is - I think - due to the nature of the workflow and UI of the Hydrasynth. So I think there's something to be said about the very nature of having hardware in front of you, the way the UI is laid out, and how the workflow compliments your way of thinking etc. So I will probably end up with keeping the both of them, even though it rationally seems redundant, and a big part of me is trying to sell it because "that's the smart move" :) So thanks for sharing.

  • @mysterienvril
    @mysterienvril ปีที่แล้ว

    I am new to sound design and while as of yet, I only have software synths, I definitely would like to get a hardware synth or two. I am enjoying learning all of it. Thanks for your videos.

  • @ghodan77
    @ghodan77 ปีที่แล้ว

    With Arturia MiniFreak you get both hardware synth and a full software version of it the MiniFreak V.

  • @StrayMedicine
    @StrayMedicine ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah, the main argument for hardware now is just how hands on and immediate it can be.
    Though controllers with knobs/encoders can help bridge the gap a little it still isn't quite as ideal because the spacing of controls is unique to a hardware synth a lot of the time (especially if it is a knob per function synth.)
    Definitely will always use software but hardware has changed the way I make a lot of music and has made it easier for me to jam

  • @mycityglory
    @mycityglory ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoying the sounds you're creating with the polybrute. That mixed with pigments? Even better. Keep up the good work.

  • @camparikiller
    @camparikiller ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Commenting because the TH-cam algorithm knows all, sees all, and recommends videos with comments on.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your sacrifice for the machine (learning) is noted and appreciated 🤖

  • @KnoxBronson
    @KnoxBronson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your song is so beautiful. Very inspiring!

  • @IhorMedia
    @IhorMedia ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I have Pigments 4 too! As well as many other plugins that I keep buying...

  • @M.W.777
    @M.W.777 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro....like...for real!! Props and you have a new subscriber! Keep on "Tweakin'"

  • @MarianoPerez
    @MarianoPerez 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been noticing that for me the hardware/software balance is becoming having some affordable smaller synths and a vst with a touchscreen laptop. That touchscreen really adds a nice dimension to programing. The flow is not as nice as hardware, but close enough.

  • @watercolourmark
    @watercolourmark ปีที่แล้ว

    I've dabbled with pigments for a while as a MPE synth for a Linnstrument. I've recently been on a small computer journey. Firstly getting a couple of used M1 computers. But being a PC guy I found it too disruptive when I had to fix something. So I've just got a tiny 6800U computer in the form of a GPD Win Max 2. I have a love/hate relationship with a new computer as it involves weeks of installing software. But I use that process to ditch a lot of software. But so far I've got stuck on Pigments. Just discovered how brilliant of a synth it is, but also every patch is hooked up with great MPE mappings as standard. These tiny powerful computers are amazing - low cost, low energy but powerful. But throw in a MPE controller and Pigments and it is all I need. I am happy to be that small computer music guy. I hear size doesn't matter. Pigments is a very special thing all the same. Just thought I'd point out that I've had a completely different journey but came to the same conclusion on this.

  • @VinylWave11
    @VinylWave11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had Serum, Deva, Zebra, Falcon and many many other software synths before I ever bought a hardware synth...It just was not productive, motivating, fun, easy or practical for performances. There is just something about software synths for me that a software synth will not get me far enough on any project. It wasn't until I bought hardware synths that I could really produce really great finished work. I may still use a software synth as a filler. However, I wouldn't trade my Waldorf Iridium Keyboard or my Moog Matriarch for all of the software synths in the world.
    I understand what you are trying to say; but, in reality, while yes you can make music with just software (its a good way to learn with and begin with), I wouldn't take software synths to a live performance or want to count on them to stay with for a music career. There are a lot of very reasonable synths, Korg Minilogue XD, Minifreak, and just so many others now at a price of almost the same a having any 2 or 3 of the software synths that I do like (Serum, Falcon, Deve and Zebra...maybe Pigments...maybe...I think Serum and Falcon blow Pigments away by quit a lot).
    It is also really a pain in the rear to learn on just software in a lot of ways; and, I found it to be a huge rabbit hole that wasted a lot of time and money when I could have just purchase one of the great synths under $1000 and progressed much faster. While Iridium is an expensive synth it is well worth the money, it literally will do almost anything. The only synth that I feel is a real match for it is the new Waldorf Quantum MK2 ($4799.99), which is still less expensive than the ($4999.00) MOOG Minimoog model D re-release (which is in my opinion very over priced for what you get compared to the ARP 2600M or the Quantum or the MOOG Matriarch).
    What I'm trying to say is I respectfully disagree. Pigments and/or even Omnisphere will never equal the Iridium especially the Keyboard version, unless they package it like Waldorf has with Iridium. It just doesn't have the same immediacy as hardware. That is exactly why there is such a re-emergence of hardware. Even MPC is not the same as software. In my opinion, software is great for augmenting working with hardware, that is where is really does shine. However, I still would rather even record to a High fidelity 16 track recorder; and, then arrange and master in software...If I have to, which I do still do and need to do to finish production. And I am not in any camp saying hardware is the only way. But for anyone who would come to me for direction of where to start, I would not recommend starting with SOFTWARE synths. There are too many great synth options that do end up costing much less than software synths and will facilitate learning in a way that software synths don't as easily or even as cheap with the current options.
    With Pigments costing $199 (which I do also have a licensed copy), a decent 49 key keyboard controller running at close to $500, you will already be spending $700 and that does not include the cost of a computer that will run Pigments well, my old 2012 MacBook Pro (yes that is what I'm still using) cost was over $3000 (I do not like the new Mac Laptops). Thus you could actually buy a Waldorf Iridium Keyboard version at $3799.99 vs a computer, Pigmants and decent keyboard controller at roughly $3799 or more for a new Mac Book Pro with a 16" screen and ram and memory upgraded, because if you did want to grow, practice, and go perform with it you would need a really good laptop with a screen that isn't hard to read, a very good keyboard controller, and USB interface, so you are going to exceed the price of a Waldorf Synthesizer really fast.

  • @nathanallen9291
    @nathanallen9291 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really want to hear this track when its done. So cool

  • @DJREN2
    @DJREN2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started with bit of hardware. But realized its expensive for one. And a lot more hassle setting up. Software is great. Many options and ease of use with some great controllers. Novum is a great VST synth. You can get a 90 day full demo to test to.

  • @NateThunder
    @NateThunder ปีที่แล้ว

    This debate comes down to user preference. I love twiddling my amp settings and the pedals in front of me. I use a GT2 for dry tracking. Keyboards and synths are obviously different BUT it’s nice to have filters and mods right there

  • @Drew_Vernon
    @Drew_Vernon ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got an Iridium, and I'm absolutely loving it!

  • @samprock
    @samprock ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was already a fan of Pigments, with drag-n-drop connection and visuals. Before v2/3/4 perks and new Iridium on my table made me confused, where is VST part of it? When will it come? Listened Rolf interview to the point he says … never. Wow. Why? I’m VST control freak :)

  • @trailerstuff1062
    @trailerstuff1062 ปีที่แล้ว

    that polybrute sound is amazing! well done

  • @jeedmodorn5494
    @jeedmodorn5494 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm new to the world of music making. For now softsynths are a fantastic intro into sound design. Relatively cheap and loaded with presets, what's not to like? But using hardware seems compelling, tactile, immersive and intuitive. Cost aside, having both is a no brainer.

  • @adrianmartinezflores4980
    @adrianmartinezflores4980 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is great always hear you, watch you and learn from you, thanks for sharing all you knowledge with all of us.
    💯🎶🤗🙌🏽

  • @raysubject
    @raysubject ปีที่แล้ว

    Anothar very good video ! And btw great music playing background, really damn good !

  • @commodoor6549
    @commodoor6549 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are, smart, thoughtful, and intuitive. And damn it, you make so much sense.

  • @macsimum
    @macsimum ปีที่แล้ว +6

    After buying V Collection 9, I realized that I'd need a new midi controller. Surprise, Arturia makes that easy too. Software or hardware, RUSH said it best, "All this machinery making modern music,
    can still be open-hearted. Not so coldly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty. Yeah, your honesty"

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The fact you included the last “yeah, your honesty” even though this is a TH-cam comment made me smile. Geddy and Neil would be proud :)

  • @christinepaluch7967
    @christinepaluch7967 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to be honest, I decided against the Iridium ultimately because both Pigments and Equator 2 are too similar. There was also the aspect the first one I bought arrived DOA. Now I ended up with a Waldorf M, which has its own quirks independent of the Iridium, its lo-fi analog hybrid where the Iridium is as hi-fi as it gets. But the thing is too me, is the Iridium is such a fragile synth, and I learned that the hard way as the screen very much is a point of failure. My M on the other hand, even though the casing is nearly identical, doesn't have that same issue. The screen is a smaller non-touch screen. Likewise, I liked the fact there is an analog filter there and just a more haunting sound as a result. Even the best digital filters don't really compare. Though that's the thing, the M now has those beautiful Microwave XT filters as well. The M is quirky and has character, and a huge sweet spot. Its wavetable only in the way wavetable synths were first introduced. That is the thing its so quirky that it pushes into the realm that computers cannot fully replicate, or software doesn't try to replicate. Even wavetable software. Even the Iridium with the same wavetables just doesn't really touch. Its just plain weird, and for hardware synths, that is exactly what I want.
    Likewise the thing with the Iridium is it would never leave my studio because of the cost and fragility factor. When I am considering something I won't play live with, I do have to examine whether it's a studio piece if it's not modular. If I can't gig with it, it's not worth getting. I can gig with the M.
    Again as an MPE player (primarily linnstrument) there is a great deal to like about the Iridium, especially as someone who loves FM and Wavetable synths. But much of what it does if its just going to sit in a studio is something that a computer can do as well or better. Especially if its not road worthy. Again if you connect to it though, i would say don't get rid of it. But I am now turned off by it because of bad experiences.

  • @craigcaudill3999
    @craigcaudill3999 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I came into the conclusion a month ago that Im sticking with Soft synth after I stupidly baught a Casio workstation thinking I could gow dawless. but after getting my bitwig and Omnisphere2 I think I have all I need. but I'm excited to eventually use my hydrasynth.

  • @delscoville
    @delscoville ปีที่แล้ว

    I have bioth hardware and software. I do have the V Collection. Along with the Keylab Essentials 88, it's like having a collection of synthesizers. As far as hardware, I have a Motif 6 and a new Mod6+.

  • @JimAlfredson
    @JimAlfredson ปีที่แล้ว

    I recently acquired a Quantum after lusting after one as soon as I saw it debut at NAMM. And it is a monster. But I've owned Pigments since ver 1 and yeah... it basically does the same thing. In fact, when they announced the Quantum, my first thought was, "Okay, so it's basically a hardware version of a plug-in. What's the point?" Then I played one at NAMM and instantly got it.
    Like you said, the tactile nature of hardware is the best reason to own it. There's just something about sitting down at an instrument and exploring it without having to use a mouse and keyboard, with real physical controls and buttons.

  • @stickyfox
    @stickyfox ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw one Arturia keyboard that was, essentially, a security dongle for their soft synth. This was years ago and it told me everything I needed to know about the company and their stance on IP.

    • @lenni-hazels
      @lenni-hazels 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I guess this means things have changed a bunch since then. I only own the Minilab 3 but that piece of hardware is great
      (besides maybe quality of the pads) and I'm considering getting Pigments 5.

  • @medenine4828
    @medenine4828 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously gorgeous patch on the poly brute.

  • @maddmannmatt
    @maddmannmatt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just a side FYI: YT made me watch a 2:18 long ad before i was able to start watching this. You may want to talk to them about that

  • @ChiturnerCa
    @ChiturnerCa ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, okay cool. I was thinking about buying Iridium when tuning in and I'm so glad you created this. It's one of those things that I don't really need right now and could use the money on more important things like saving for a rainy day...at least until next year! Haha!

  • @MarkSoundDesigner
    @MarkSoundDesigner ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this video, I immediately bought Pigments 4, among other things in this period it's 50% off, I paid 99 € 😀while I wait for the Polybrute to arrive in 2 days!

  • @freewheelburning8834
    @freewheelburning8834 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hardware typically offers a more seamless rendition of sound compared to software, as it bypasses the computer's processor and operating system, preventing potential degradation and fragmentation of the audio into digital bits. This results in a more continuous and organic output. Take Deadmau5, for instance; Joel utilizes modular synthesizers as hardware to achieve a more dynamic sound, a feat often unattainable through virtual modular synthesis alone.

  • @dracul74
    @dracul74 ปีที่แล้ว

    I start building my tracks without a daw just using several instruments and a Mpc to build sampled song sections. It’s my favorite part of the process. I then export and build out the track in Ableton. I know Ableton and own a lot of plug-ins. It all works and am usually happy with the track… but I hate the in the box process…. something about it removes the fun factor for me.

    • @HOLLASOUNDS
      @HOLLASOUNDS ปีที่แล้ว

      The new generation MPCs tutch screan software is a full daw, same as FL studio mobile is a full DAW.

  • @static-san
    @static-san ปีที่แล้ว

    Pigments is my favourite soft-synth. And the first one I actually paid for. I downloaded and played with the trial version about 2 years ago. Less than 2 days later, I'd paid for it.
    That said, I'd love a MiniFreak-sized keyboard that would be Pigments in hardware (if possible, multi-timbral).

  • @TonyThomas10000
    @TonyThomas10000 ปีที่แล้ว

    All in the box, and have plenty of soft synths to keep me busy (including Pigments).

  • @brodytrumpet
    @brodytrumpet ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. Intelligent and heart felt. This has been often on my mind

  • @chrisstrobel3439
    @chrisstrobel3439 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve had hardware synths since the 1970’s .. all the popular ones like the Jupiter 8, Minimoogs, etc. I still have a whole house full of em, but the problem I’ve found since I’ve gotten into my 60’s is this stuff all needs to be cleaned .. and I just don’t have the energy anymore to dust between a zillion knobs and sliders every couple a weeks, so it’s easier these days to just keep everything under plastic and just kick back on the bed or couch and compose with an iPad lol. Anyway all valid points. It’s all good

  • @ErwinSchrodinger64
    @ErwinSchrodinger64 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You know what's coming. If Mr. Jones sells his Iridium, he's going to re-purchase it a 3rd time. Personally, I completely agree with the software vs hardware stance. Do what's best works for you. At times, I wish I would have gone solely all software. But the countless happy accidents I've had on my Access Virus Ti2, Iridium, Korg Wavestate, and so forth... I like hardware too much. Not as much as software but software does keep my GAS from getting too bad.
    Lastly, Jameson, don't sell the Iridium. I can't begin to tell you how many times the ladies walk into my studio and almost faint... always saying... "OMG, you have a Waldorf Iridium desktop!" Only to see the deep and lustful desire in their eyes. Keep the Iridium for the chicks. They like it.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not planning to sell, but if what you say is true, considering the fact I’m happily married, I need to get this thing out of my house…

    • @ErwinSchrodinger64
      @ErwinSchrodinger64 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JamesonNathanJones no, you need to keep it hidden. When you and your wife get into a future argument, over your G.R.A.S. addiction... because you purchased the newest pedal or Moog or Sequential product... you can bring out the Iridium and she can fall in love with you all over again, sir.

  • @brandonaikin5445
    @brandonaikin5445 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really agree with your opinions about hardware vs software. I like them both. I use hardware for live and software for studio... give or take here and there. Not frowning upon others' choices, that's just what is familiar to me. I love knobs. Cheers mate, thanks for the good post.

  • @whoadog8725
    @whoadog8725 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m in the process of selling almost all of my hardware synths. I have a nice setup that allows me to process soft synths with high quality analog pre-amps, EQ and comps, which scratches the hardware itch for me. I get anxious and unproductive with a lot of stuff.

    • @HOLLASOUNDS
      @HOLLASOUNDS ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was all software then bought some midi keyboards, and 3 sythersizors. The sythersizors have not featured in any of My music. They will be sampled and then from that I'll use a software sampler in My DAW and use it like all the other software devices.

  • @bastiaanw3519
    @bastiaanw3519 ปีที่แล้ว

    You had me at “the hardware versus software debate is as tired as me” 😂

  • @VagrantShadow
    @VagrantShadow ปีที่แล้ว

    I was 100% Software (besides guitars, but fully digital amps etc) and I've expanded into a few hardware synths and pedals just because my CPU can't handle everything at once and I think mixing everything is fun and works well and you get the best of everything :D

  • @soundproductionandadvice
    @soundproductionandadvice ปีที่แล้ว

    I've got the original M1, Wavestation, Z1, MS-10, JP-8000, Supernova, and Access Virus B to name a few. I also have the plugins. If there's a difference between them sonically, I don't notice it. I am over 50 and normal hearing loss has occurred but I was in my 20s when I got the synths so I'm very familiar with them. Just my two cents. ;)

  • @watchandproduce
    @watchandproduce ปีที่แล้ว

    Hope you create some videos showing how you create Pigments patches. I like hardware too but just like that software VSTs don’t require as much cables and power draw in addition to all the benefits you mentioned. I love my S88 and Maschine MK3 hardware (USB powered) and how NKS allows me to control and browse VST synths from Arturia, u-he, etc.

  • @sinatrabone
    @sinatrabone ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, you're hilarious :). And I find your "hey everybody, can't we just get along" approach to be refreshing.
    Thanks!

  • @InFamousProductions
    @InFamousProductions ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to say, the thing about software, is that not matter what, it sounds like software. because the Mac I'm using has specific hardware that does affect the sound no matter what anyone says. The pigments you're playing sounds like software. it's sounds killer, but to me, it sounds like software. So I have a ton of hardware, that sounds unique and will mix or not mix with other hardware and software.

  • @NatLifeSounds
    @NatLifeSounds 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pigments have a tons of possibilities but as for quality and sound clearence. I can hear the idfference even with my Blofeld. So I will not sell the Blofeld for Pigments, I just will use both :D

  • @ElectronicMusicTips
    @ElectronicMusicTips ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve kept only two synths, and a handful of hardware effects, the ones that provide enjoyment and a wow factor while using, even if the sound is indistinguishable from software. Otherwise, it’s a luxury and not essential to making great sounding music.

  • @mk1st
    @mk1st ปีที่แล้ว

    I love twiddling knobs on hardware, it’s much more satisfying than mouse clicking. That said, I can’t help but fantasize about having a big touch screen to operate software synths. That seems like it would be as close to “hands on” as you could get (I guess mapping to a midi controller works too, but not as visually satisfying IMO)

  • @nuttob
    @nuttob ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every time someone claims that the hardware sounds better than the vst, I want to put them through a blind comparison test to prove it, because I can't tell the difference in most cases...

  • @downpatmusic
    @downpatmusic ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought Pigments and forgot I had it. Your video just reminded me I should load it again! Problem with software synths, I forget which computer they are on on my 5 networked Macs and PC's. One can amass a heaping mess of them over time. You can't sell them in theory. And they need updates, and eventually outlive operating systems on older computers like I run and keep as they still have good interfaces and create tons of voices of great old software sounds. And then when you are ready to upgrade computers, re-installing them, etc... The best part about them is working in the box-in the computer, and then bouncing. I use them for SFX production synced to picture. Select the tracks and bounce a stereo file. Done. Post it, Hollywood downloads it, and it hits the air. For music production, I find I mainly I use the large sample libraries designed for scoring, the VSL String and Piano libraries are fantastic, CineSamples, 8Dio, Heavyocity, Spitfire, and many many others, etc... A must for composers to have a staple of sample libraries run in computers. I still run an old analog console and outboard gear along with all of this digital stuff. I like both.

    • @travelwithhanfi866
      @travelwithhanfi866 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you can install Pigments on up to 5 computers. I always install on both my systems.

  • @watchaddicts1213
    @watchaddicts1213 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You had it, you sold it, now you have it and…enter The Pygmalion.
    I love this this! Done it…many times. I can imagine you watching this video as you read over your new list that explains why you
    Just buy iridium one more time.
    Good show!

  • @xradical89x
    @xradical89x 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i so agree with you on pretty much all the points you make in this video

  • @alexwestconsulting
    @alexwestconsulting ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i'm normally dawless but picked up pigments 4 with that insane existing customer offer price at the end of the year. hard to pass that up. i got a used prologue too, and as much as i like it, it's shocking that pigments cost me less than a 10th the price of a used synth, where pigments is sooo much more sophisticated (not that pigments is as close to prologue as it is to iridium, but you get the idea),