I wish you had tested the CFR/CFRFMD versions of the sender. the sender 6 doesn't really fit into the competition as it really is a budget bike. also the commencal supreme and furious would have been great aditions. but none the less, great review. i am really interested in all the new DH bikes on the market for 22, i am excited for your evaluations on those.
I’ve had the most fun ever this season on that YT Comp. I’m more than pleased with my decision and have 0 regrets. The bike is an absolute performer as stated in the Vital review. I’m 6’ and ride an XL
Absolutely loved watching summer of downhill guys! Great to see such an in depth review of these downhill bikes, Your reviews really helped my decision on my new DH bike, so thank you.
I think it's key to highlight the wheel difference when comparing prices. The Session is 29" (adjustable to 27.5") vs. the Sender is 27.5", and 29" tend to be more expensive. Great video and comparison.
thanks! we tested the canyon sender CFR last year and loved it th-cam.com/video/9-2oDBTBeFA/w-d-xo.html the wheel size itself doesn't impact price. the new sender CFR is carbon and canyon doesn't make an alloy version. if they did it would be cheaper. the CFR starts at $4,799, which is a great value. as mentioned, the trek and pivot are likely more expensive because they are not direct-to-consumer brands like canyon or YT. some riders may not need a dealer and direct-to-consumer works well for them, but others may find value and peace of mind going through a dealer when it comes to dealing with parts, repairs or warranty.
If you haven't already figured out the headset issue on the Canyon Sender 6, let me enlighten you. My brother purchased the bike earlier this year and for the first few rides experienced a lose and creaky headset. We retightened the headset as well as greased. The problem became acutely evident several rides later at the bike park as one of the PLASTIC headset spacers exploded. Take all the plastic headset spacers out and replace with aluminum or carbon and the stock headset is fine. I also double checked the Across headset on my Canyon 360 and sure enough they were plastic as well.
a few years ago, it seemed to be an issue, but now, reputable shops are standing out with great customer service and will service any bike. if a shop won't service a direct bike, find a new shop.
Wait, they're still using zee brakes on bikes? I couldn't get a replacement lever assembly (stripped out the master cylinder)...had to upgrade to saint levers. I thought they were end-of-life?
Awesome review!! I went to Outerbike Crested Butte a few weeks ago and demo'ed a Tues Core 4 and fell in love with it enough to buy one haha! I'm 5'8 and demo'ed a size large frame. All my other bikes are size medium so I ordered a medium. After watching your review of the Comp, Im hoping I dont get it and wish I had gotten a size large.
Hi! I'm thinking your opinions about propain rage, at 4k price, so how well that would compete against canyon sender 6 or yt tues base. I haven't seen many reviews of the rage, like what kind of bike it is and where it is at home.
nonsense ever shop has done maintenance on my sender so far and if you compare fair = a sender with the same price it stands up to the other bikes in the test. The sender is amazing value for the money.
we tested the sender cfr here - th-cam.com/video/9-2oDBTBeFA/w-d-xo.html - for this test, we wanted to see how the cheapest model performed compared to the more expensive one a few years ago, too.
Why have DH bikes not got similar or longer reach lengths than enduro / trail bikes. They generally seem to have a 20mm shorter reach than enduro bikes...
@@vitalmtb I can't even buy one for 2022 bike season. Website pre-order into July. I'm really regretting selling my 2020 now :( for a small upgrade in geometry of the new.
Climbs fantastic? I have a capra 2018 29 160mm and it climbs bad, really bad! But its a pleasure to go down the trails, it feels so planted and gives you Lots of confidence, perfect bike for park and some local trails here and there.
I hate how most companies only offer a 29” or maybe a 29 27.5 mullet bike. 29” aren’t great at super technical stuff in BC. Offer me a modern 26er and it’ll be the first thing I buy
So many Brands coming black alloy frames...few years ago they were selling carbon and carbon again...even Bruni or Aaron gwin are developping alloy frames from si many reasons like ride tolérance. So for most common and regular riders they are toi stiff. Without speaking the Cost of production in taiwainese Factory.
Meh. That's X-Fusion for ya. Shame because the bike is great but Scott's spec price points are stifling. Gonna be hard to afford that chair lift season pass after that lol
I need great recommendations from you guys, please help me for my Scott Gambler 930 update! I wanna do some theme with gold and black, My idea is; Nobl wheel set wit industry nine hydra hub 10 speed sram cassette and groupset Öhlins rear suspension TRP or Magura break system So, did I doing wrong with that cost of parts or you can recommend another?
the first thing we'd change on the gambler (if the shock is still working for you) would be changing to a 7-speed GX DH drivetrain. the stock derailleur w/o a clutch is rough for downhill use.
@@vitalmtb So, you mean 10 speed not good choice ? Actually I’m not using 8th, 7th and I thought if I can have more big gear then I will be more relax on climbing!? 'Cause sometimes I hang out in the hills! However thanks for your attention and advice 🤙🏻
10 months into the future, almost all winning bikes are aluminum frames, so if ever you want to buy a dh bike go for the aluminum frames never go carbon. aluminum frames are worry-free in every rides and every crashes.
here are some more! canyon sender CFR - th-cam.com/video/9-2oDBTBeFA/w-d-xo.html demo 29 vs demo mullet - th-cam.com/video/I0JDo2TvQ78/w-d-xo.html 2019 DH bike test sessions - th-cam.com/video/oFy2frdkeCw/w-d-xo.html
The only difference between bike companies are the frames. All the components on all the bikes are the same. It's just the frame that makes a bike company.
I hate to be negative, but this video was dense. It was like eating an overcooked steak. Yeah the nutrition was there, but it was hard to get through, and didn't taste quite as good.
DUDE are you kidding me? you buy a new-ish scott, and it is immediatelly obsolete, you can't buy anything for it???? this is stupid...i was able to buy stuff for my 8 years old Ghost(although not easily). This is outrageous that you buy a bike this expensive, and they throw out support so soon...
nonsense ever shop has done maintenance on my sender so far and if you compare fair = a sender with the same price it stands up to the other bikes in the test. The sender is amazing value for the money.
Video Contents
0:00 - Introduction
1:54 - Scott Gambler
5:00 - Pivot Phoenix
9:54 - Trek Session
15:24 - Canyon Sender
19:59 - YT TUES
In-depth reviews of each downhill bike
$6,999 Pivot Phoenix - th-cam.com/video/4mBAjSRVpFM/w-d-xo.html
$4,999 Trek Session - th-cam.com/video/AO70YdWzAAk/w-d-xo.html
$3,399 Canyon Sender - th-cam.com/video/4XCuEuIh1TE/w-d-xo.html
$3,499 YT TUES - th-cam.com/video/CyvBfOX58N8/w-d-xo.html
Where is the Santa Cruz V10?
I wish you had tested the CFR/CFRFMD versions of the sender. the sender 6 doesn't really fit into the competition as it really is a budget bike. also the commencal supreme and furious would have been great aditions. but none the less, great review. i am really interested in all the new DH bikes on the market for 22, i am excited for your evaluations on those.
I really love these tests. They're so honest, straight forward, and informative. Some of the best reviews out there.
Would love to see a review of the commencal supreme dh
we asked. they didn't have any. jason, the tester, raced one a few years ago and liked it a lot.
Agreed
@@vitalmtb maybe next year?
I’ve had the most fun ever this season on that YT Comp. I’m more than pleased with my decision and have 0 regrets. The bike is an absolute performer as stated in the Vital review. I’m 6’ and ride an XL
I'm 170cm and riding a m size 2020 yt tues,i can feel it is a little bit small for me.I'm riding for speed instead of freeride
From Rampage and other freeride events, the YT Tues looks to be the favoured freerider.
Really because I was looking into them but everyone’s said they’re more of a race bike than a freeride / park bike
@@Reuben.43that 27.5 on both ends makes it great for freeriding
Can someone please go work for Trek, that is able to come up paint job that people can get excited about!!
No shit. It seems like bike companies just throw shit colors at a frame and say eh it's good. I guarantee I could color bikes that people would like.
Same w Santa Cruz there boring
Absolutely loved watching summer of downhill guys! Great to see such an in depth review of these downhill bikes, Your reviews really helped my decision on my new DH bike, so thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think it's key to highlight the wheel difference when comparing prices. The Session is 29" (adjustable to 27.5") vs. the Sender is 27.5", and 29" tend to be more expensive. Great video and comparison.
thanks! we tested the canyon sender CFR last year and loved it th-cam.com/video/9-2oDBTBeFA/w-d-xo.html the wheel size itself doesn't impact price. the new sender CFR is carbon and canyon doesn't make an alloy version. if they did it would be cheaper. the CFR starts at $4,799, which is a great value. as mentioned, the trek and pivot are likely more expensive because they are not direct-to-consumer brands like canyon or YT. some riders may not need a dealer and direct-to-consumer works well for them, but others may find value and peace of mind going through a dealer when it comes to dealing with parts, repairs or warranty.
If you haven't already figured out the headset issue on the Canyon Sender 6, let me enlighten you. My brother purchased the bike earlier this year and for the first few rides experienced a lose and creaky headset. We retightened the headset as well as greased. The problem became acutely evident several rides later at the bike park as one of the PLASTIC headset spacers exploded. Take all the plastic headset spacers out and replace with aluminum or carbon and the stock headset is fine. I also double checked the Across headset on my Canyon 360 and sure enough they were plastic as well.
a few years ago, it seemed to be an issue, but now, reputable shops are standing out with great customer service and will service any bike. if a shop won't service a direct bike, find a new shop.
Cool stuff dudes. Well put together. Need more of this on the tube!
yeah sean!!!
MTB’ers = empty beers….according to TH-cam auto captions lol
they all look nice but that yt is killing me, it looks sick af
They are all sick 🔥🤘
Can you bring more bikes? I like these vibes
Wait, they're still using zee brakes on bikes? I couldn't get a replacement lever assembly (stripped out the master cylinder)...had to upgrade to saint levers. I thought they were end-of-life?
Won't have my new bike for a few weeks and I've been killing myself binge watching MTB content if all kinds.
Awesome review!! I went to Outerbike Crested Butte a few weeks ago and demo'ed a Tues Core 4 and fell in love with it enough to buy one haha! I'm 5'8 and demo'ed a size large frame. All my other bikes are size medium so I ordered a medium. After watching your review of the Comp, Im hoping I dont get it and wish I had gotten a size large.
that's awesome! a medium should fit you really well.
Just popped in to say the work hrrs pronounciation at 8:02 is awesome :D
I heard “work hearse” - (halloween appropriate)
Interesting that in the recent PB DH bike field test they hated the nicest of boxxers and vital even likes the boxxer select
How is the new Scott 910? Would you chose a trek over a Scott?
This is perfect for me I was looking to buy a dh bike
Hi! I'm thinking your opinions about propain rage, at 4k price, so how well that would compete against canyon sender 6 or yt tues base. I haven't seen many reviews of the rage, like what kind of bike it is and where it is at home.
the propain looks awesome. we tried to get one, but they didn't have any. i think that's the toughest thing right now is availability.
Tues is goat
Hey, could u do a test on a commencal bike??
They didn’t include the Commencal Supreme because it would be an easy win😉
Sickkk bikes !
nonsense ever shop has done maintenance on my sender so far and if you compare fair = a sender with the same price it stands up to the other bikes in the test. The sender is amazing value for the money.
why do new downhill bikes have air shocks whereas the older bikes have coil shocks?
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah!
Can I buy the scott bike from u guys?
that canyon is basically the same you tested a few years back, I think you should have gone for the 29er
we tested the sender cfr here - th-cam.com/video/9-2oDBTBeFA/w-d-xo.html - for this test, we wanted to see how the cheapest model performed compared to the more expensive one a few years ago, too.
Where’s the V10?
Other bikes to test:
-the new Gamux high pivot
-antidote darkmatter
-vitus dh (nice affordable bike)
-polygon (that weird bike)
-kona operator
Why have DH bikes not got similar or longer reach lengths than enduro / trail bikes. They generally seem to have a 20mm shorter reach than enduro bikes...
I agree but i chose dhbike because of 200mm travel,i often play droppings and rockgardens
I find your lack of Commencal Supreme DH disturbing
we asked. they didn't have any. jason, the tester, raced one a few years ago and liked it a lot.
@@vitalmtb I can't even buy one for 2022 bike season. Website pre-order into July. I'm really regretting selling my 2020 now :( for a small upgrade in geometry of the new.
What about the supreme? Or is it just out of the scale good
they didn't have any available to test. jason (tester), raced on a supreme a few years ago and loved it.
@@vitalmtb aaaah I see, not many commencals available these days lol.
the new propain rage would be nice
we tried to get one but they weren't available for us. they look awesome though! maybe next summer!
no santa cruz v10 😔
bike shops refusing to service consumer direct bikes? didn't expect that to be a problem
I haven't had that issue with my YT capra
While saying that the chainstay protector on the pivot was noisy you can clearly see that the cluch on the Zee is off......
during that filming session, yes, it was off for a few laps. it was not off the entire test.
@@vitalmtb funny situation 😂
I work as a mechanic and they are off all the time on customer and staff bikes.
Just get a YT Capra Pro... 180mm travel is PLENTY to smash park laps. And it climbs fantastic
check out our YT Capra Downduro project - th-cam.com/video/c5Ua-0kZYpk/w-d-xo.html
Climbs fantastic? I have a capra 2018 29 160mm and it climbs bad, really bad! But its a pleasure to go down the trails, it feels so planted and gives you Lots of confidence, perfect bike for park and some local trails here and there.
I hate how most companies only offer a 29” or maybe a 29 27.5 mullet bike. 29” aren’t great at super technical stuff in BC. Offer me a modern 26er and it’ll be the first thing I buy
V10?
Pivot 😍
Commencal ?
Comparing low end gambler930 with shitty x fusion blown shock to pivot race ready bike and many other thats kinda dumb, but anyway good video
So many Brands coming black alloy frames...few years ago they were selling carbon and carbon again...even Bruni or Aaron gwin are developping alloy frames from si many reasons like ride tolérance. So for most common and regular riders they are toi stiff. Without speaking the Cost of production in taiwainese Factory.
Meh. That's X-Fusion for ya. Shame because the bike is great but Scott's spec price points are stifling. Gonna be hard to afford that chair lift season pass after that lol
It's funny how we all call it "too-ez"....its actually "YT Tuesday".....mind blown.
Unfortunately you’re wrong. Tues in German is Do It!!
@@ryderavenue73 I guess the factory rep that I spoke to is wrong then....he told me that Tuesday was an indestructible Germanic god of sky and war.
@@pressrolls Well I guess they should have put Tuesday on the bike instead of Tues
@@ryderavenue73 anytime you see Tues in America it means Tuesday.
C U Next Tues is another fun American quip. "Do It" is kinda Nike's thing
I need great recommendations from you guys, please help me for my Scott Gambler 930 update!
I wanna do some theme with gold and black,
My idea is;
Nobl wheel set wit industry nine hydra hub
10 speed sram cassette and groupset
Öhlins rear suspension
TRP or Magura break system
So, did I doing wrong with that cost of parts or you can recommend another?
the first thing we'd change on the gambler (if the shock is still working for you) would be changing to a 7-speed GX DH drivetrain. the stock derailleur w/o a clutch is rough for downhill use.
@@vitalmtb So, you mean 10 speed not good choice ? Actually I’m not using 8th, 7th and I thought if I can have more big gear then I will be more relax on climbing!? 'Cause sometimes I hang out in the hills! However thanks for your attention and advice 🤙🏻
Why is there no Commencal?
we asked, they didn't have any
These prices are crazy.I can get my dream car with these prices.
@@bongobob7079 Yea,my dream car is cheap. it is jeep wrangler yj.🙂
I wonder why downhill bikes bother with gears. Why not just put single speed?
No Santa Cruz V10 CC ????? WTF
Exactly!!
@@JDMc2.0 They should test ALL top brand DH bikes.
Everyone looks like a mandraker now…slacker fork angle..forward geometry…hail the trailblazers
Its spoken like Tuesday! How do you say the name of the YT Downhill? Its not written any different from the weekday bro…
460 reach, 435 chainstays on a L dh bike???
10 months into the future, almost all winning bikes are aluminum frames, so if ever you want to buy a dh bike go for the aluminum frames never go carbon. aluminum frames are worry-free in every rides and every crashes.
The Santa Cruz V10 was the best bike
Because the wasn't a Commencal Supreme lmfao. That bike would've smashed all competition.
the number of downhill bikes reviewed is too damn low!
here are some more!
canyon sender CFR - th-cam.com/video/9-2oDBTBeFA/w-d-xo.html
demo 29 vs demo mullet - th-cam.com/video/I0JDo2TvQ78/w-d-xo.html
2019 DH bike test sessions - th-cam.com/video/oFy2frdkeCw/w-d-xo.html
No Forbidden Dreadnought?
the dreadnought is an enduro bike
The only difference between bike companies are the frames. All the components on all the bikes are the same. It's just the frame that makes a bike company.
I hate to be negative, but this video was dense. It was like eating an overcooked steak. Yeah the nutrition was there, but it was hard to get through, and didn't taste quite as good.
here's the fast food of DH action - th-cam.com/video/IsZvsdQQ61A/w-d-xo.html
I wish i had one🥺😂
7000$ Middle Class DH Bike 🤭🤣🤣
There are only one or two bikes you will ever need for a downhil bike
DUDE are you kidding me? you buy a new-ish scott, and it is immediatelly obsolete, you can't buy anything for it???? this is stupid...i was able to buy stuff for my 8 years old Ghost(although not easily).
This is outrageous that you buy a bike this expensive, and they throw out support so soon...
Lets be honest. The real difference between all these bikes is the suspension (setup)… like in motocross!
What do you kno about motorcross
every time i watch bike reviews, I realize how useless they are
This is like watching fucking paint dry . Jesus christ
nonsense ever shop has done maintenance on my sender so far and if you compare fair = a sender with the same price it stands up to the other bikes in the test. The sender is amazing value for the money.