Did we buy gold with Tungsten in it? 😱
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2024
- When you are always buying gold, you never expect to get fake gold...especially when you're using a $20,000 X-ray gun to scan the final product. We'll the reality is that these expensive precious metals analyzers only scan 10 microns deep, so if the manufacturer plates Tungsten (W) thick enough using gold (Au), even the expensive scanners can't help you! Check out this scene from our recent video, where we almost lost $50,000 with fake gold coins!
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It’s the refinery scamming you guys.. tungsten melts at 3400 Celsius, gold evaporates at 1400deg Celsius. The gold would have evaporated and dissapeared.. modern science makes it easy to find the scammer yet you still think it was melted into the coins? Are u kidding me? How can y’all be so ignorant. The smelter is at fault go get your god damn gold coins back.
One of your coins was a tungsten fake
It was Trax NYC that sold you the coins right?
Couple years ago there were finding gold bars coming out of Perth Mint with tungsten in them and I'm pretty sure it's only one place in the world what actually has a Foundry what makes tungsten that's held China got ripped off with their gold finding tungsten in there gold bars
Sorry mf’s’ 🤕
There is absolutely no way that the dealer didn’t know what was happening here. Tungsten has one of the highest melting point of all metals, there is no way that gold just happened to wrap itself around a bar of tungsten while being smelted.
Exactly. If the coins had tungsten in them, the gold would just melt off. They wouldn't melt together, then pour as a solid tungsten bar covered in gold. Its probably just set up for views.
@@smasher.338 might be. My guess would be somewhere in the chain of deals, someone trusted someone else too much and after probably numerous successful deals, didnt think they needed to verify it.
Sucks that people do that, but its super common. To me, the trust between two people who do business is more valuable than the money itself.
@@smasher.338views?
The weight of the bar would likely be very close to the nominal weight of solid gold.
Tungsten would have dropped out in a typical pour, methinks.
I’ve done a small amount of melting metal into ingots.
Lead is one thing, where just about everything floats in top.
Aluminum is different,
Not only you deal with the swarf, you need to go hunting for whatever else dropped out at the bottom of your crucible.
There is no way that this happened by accident.
The dealer offered the refund too fast.
He probably does that so he doesn’t get called out.
Now, imagine how many people have these contaminated bars in their safes!
Oh wow, people really❤ don't know about ALLOYS.
You think that elements, STAY PURELY ELEMENTAL, when mixed with OTHER ELEMENTS, and Raised to MELTING TEMPS......
ever heard of EUTECTIC MIXTURES?
How do you think we can make bronze?
How do you think, in modern times, we've created super armoured steel, by using chromium, manganese, vanadium, boron carbon and phosphorous. Also some trace metals so, why isn't that steel, like a gob stopper??? Because metals can dissolve in one another, as well as complex with other and react with others...
These guys could have simply used the density of the coins.... A bimtallic metal like that, SIMPLY CANNOT SATISFY DISPLACEMENT, WEIGHT, AND THE DENSITY OF GOLD...
STOP USING TECH TO TEST THINGS, THEY CAN BE TRICKED...... PHYSICS CAN'T.
How about melting SOLID METALS Like SOLDER! Tin and lead, the leaf should just sink to the bottom according to you guys. What actually happens in you get an alloy with A LOWER MELTING POINT THAN EITHER *TIN* OR *LEAD*
Chemistry....... Learn it's basics
Then the dealer gives you your money back that's a huge hit to the dealer. You would think right but you handed the gold to the dealer and he melted it for you and played the switch & go game so when he said he'll refund you your money he's not losing and then because he's still got the gold. No winners or losers but the dealer just got caught in the scam you should let everybody know where you went to get this gold melted.
the refining process was filmed on ep. 101. I mean, as an outsider, I can't say for sure there's no funny business. But, at least, it was filmed.
I saw that episode someone fucked you
He prob had some tungsten filled coins to start with, that’s the more likely scenario
@@georgesbush9361 this is my thoughts too
Yeah and gold is going up
As someone with years of experience refining and pouring precious metals, I can say with 100% certainty that this didn’t happen by accident. Glad you got your money back.
But he still took massive loss.. it was obviously the chain manufacturer that made the swap.
@jonialhonen1420 the tungsten was placed there by whoever made it to the bar
Some crooks in the refinery! That's scary... I wouldn't use that refinery again. Name and shame them.
The fact that the dealer gave them their money back makes the dealer the scammer.
What if it was the coins? I would think it’s the coins not the refiner.
So witch was bad apple
@@PeterAlanA1234567890 Tungsten is the hardest metal (other than uranium) and has one of the highest melting points. A lot of places dont have anything that CAN melt it. If they were tungsten coins covered in gold, the gold would just melt off. These weren't even poured together bc the tungsten would just sit at the bottom of the mold, and the gold would be on top. This is a bar of tungsten someone covered in gold.
@@donho3617 that’s called good business and retaining customers.
There’s an old story about the manager who saved the market a gallon of milk but lost a customer for life.
Tungsten has one of the highest melting temperatures of any metal so there is no way a furnace not specially made for Tungsten (at great cost compared to anything a gold smelter would use) could have made that gold coated Tungsten bar. It's impossible for it to be accidentally done. This was no mistake or error it's fraud on someone's part.
Even if the coins had Tungsten in them there is no way there would have melted and ended up inside a "gold" bar. They would still be where shapre they supposedly were while inside the coins.
ive already commented this. Hes positive the tungsten was melted with the gold.
If they can melt tungsten, the gold should be evaporated (gold evaporated at 1400 celcius , tungsten melt at 3400 celcius)
@@Wertdante lmao bro that’s nuts!
@@Wertdante this is true. @crm is just playing games for clicks since the Watch biz is slow. Or smelter was running a scam. Those are the ONLY options. Basic chemistry.
Agreed
Dealer got caught scamming. Tungsten melting point 6 times greater then gold. Easy to coat it in gold and try to sell off as solid gold bar. Dealer has to refund as otherwise if reported they look at losing their licence, fraud charges and more.
Unfortunately it will now bring into question any jewellery you made using this dealer.
The caster literally skimmed the real gold off the top when they put the tungsten bar into the mold. Fraud. Most would've used a lead alloy and electroplated the lead casting ..using Tungsten is unusual..
@@aaronhumphrey2009they were there when they were melting it detective it was probably the coins from the start
@@Groveherooffcial No, it didn't come from the coins. A regular crucible doesn't reach the temperature needed to melt tungsten. Even if theirs did you wouldnt take it to that temperature. Therefore, if it came from the coins the tungsten would still be in the shape or a coin, not a bar perfectly coated in gold lol. They tried scamming him plain and simple. Could of just been an employee trying to pocket the difference or the business itself...either way it's definitely on their end.
@@Groveherooffcial Gold Evaporation Point: 1400c
Tungsten Melting Point: 3422c.
The tungsten did not come from the coins.
@damonwright4532don t tell me its impossible to drill a tiny hole in a gold coin put a micro sphere of tungsten in it then lazer weld gold on top and level the area .... the assumption that tungstene HAS to be melted to be able to be in a gold thingy is lacking imagination .... fact is you DON'T want to do this any other way than how i just said , because melting a gold with tungsten micro spheres in it would result in some couns surface showing some microsohere of tungsten dangerously close to the surface of the coin thus detectable by the scanning machine .... you want your micro sphere perfectly at the center of the coin ....
Tungsten is used as it's density is very close to that of gold. So the package would have almost exact same dimensions. The weight would be so close as to be hard to detect. The ring test would tell there was an issue since tungsten and pure gold have different resonance (ring) frequencies.
Yes, PURE tungsten density is very close to that of gold, but tungsten gold alloy is not, but I doubt these guys were doing density checks, it seems they rely on electronics heavily.
You can trick electronics, you can't trick physics. This is also how the resonance is different, the gold tungsten alloy creates billions of crystals of specific sizes Au/W4-6 and W/Au4-6 both resonating at different frequencies, giving a clear dual tone shifted from either elements true base resonating freq.
@@renagenicpeople's reliance on technology and electronics is disturbing in so many fields, and it's amazing how arrogant it makes people. We are in for a world of hurt when the tech fails, and the skills long forgotten that got us to the point to create those tools they want to rely on. I understand it makes things easier, and I'm glad, but we should still learn the skill sets that those tools are based upon. As you said, you can't fool physics, my grandfather was a famous physicist in his field who made some very important breakthroughs in optics, and I think he would be rolling in his grave if he saw the world as it is, and where it is heading. This doesn't pass the smell test though, that much tungsten couldn't be smelted without the gold evaporating so I don't believe we are getting the whole story. His story is fishy, either he is the crook or the guy supposed to manufacture the chains is.
@@renagenic I don’t think it was alloyed, the gold had just been coating the tungsten.
Someone’s a thief. You got 3 options.
1. You’re a crook/ thief
2. Whoever melted down your “gold” is a crook/thief
3. Your “Cuban manufacturer” is a crook/thief
4. Big guy gets 10%
1. is correct.
I think he a crook/thief but I don't know trying to pick one, crook/thief I think but it might be crook/thief im not sure....
Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer.
@@EndangeredMooseknuckleYes, it’s call Occam’s Razor.
The crucible wasn't hot enough 😂 either the coins were fake or your refinery robbed you without a gun 😅
The most disturbing part of the story is that he still has questions. Given the information I'm ready to call a spade a spade.
You should not be using the XRF to test gold coins. A sigma verifier would be better suited to do that. The XRF does not penetrate deep. It’s a great tool once you’ve identified something as solid gold and need to know the exact karat or in this case you know it’s not gold and want to know what the piece might be made of. Other than these two uses, it’s not very helpful.
That scam is older than Archimedes. At least that time, he found some fundamental physics principle, and the scammer was punished.
Your scam doesn't make sense. The melt difference between gold and tungsten is huge. Most precious metal smelters will never get even close to melt tungsten. 😅
Tungsten is heavier than gold. It would register a higher specific density than real 24K. Most would've used lead to counterfeit a gold bar..cheaper..
@@aaronhumphrey2009 Gold weight: 19.3 g/cm3
Tungsten weight: 19.25 g/cm3
Lead weight: 11.34 g/cm3
@@w1zpir779 you are listing density not weight
@@lance3540Precious metal smelters? My friend is a blacksmith and he doesn't get steel as hot as tungsten.
Whoever melted down the coin swapped it out for tungsten filled gold bars. I would report the assayer or whoever you sent the coins to.
They were scamming u and gave u the money backs in hopes ud forget about it and not tell any1 else in the industry if it was really a mistake they would have wanted the bar back immediately to investigate
Seem like someone's at the refinery is either replacing your gold with tungsten. The gold wouldn't be evenly distributed around the tungsten if it had already been in the gold coins. If the refinery is saying it's because the crucible wasn't hot enough that should say all you need to hear. Or another thing that could have happened is your chain manufacturer switched out the bars...
Because I can tell you for a fact the video that we watched with that gold getting poured that's gold no tungsten in that. 100% sure. They played the hey look over here and switched the real gold bar for a fake one. Because if I'm the gold dealer and if I know I melted your gold down I'm not refunding you your money. But the gold dealer is the scammer that's why you got your money back
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You refund the money whether you’re sure or not alot of times in this industry . It’s best to let insurance get involved or something but not tarnish your reputation. It really depends
You're probably right!
That doesn’t even make sense . 😂
The gold dealer and the melters are 2 different people .
What sense does it make to sell you gold , pretend it’s real. Then melt it down infront of you and refund your money . That’s not a scam 😂 that means the gold dealer got scammed 🤦🏻♂️
Literally that’s not a scam 😂
A scam has skin in the game it makes money , when you sell some one gold with tungsten you want to disappear not sell it to them then melt it down infront of them and give the money back 😆
I am amazed that the crucible got hot enough to incorporate the tongston. The tongston should have been left in chunks at as you poured out the gold.
The melting point of gold is 1,064 degrees Celsius or 1,943 degrees Fahrenheit.
One of tungsten's unique properties is its very high melting point of 3,422°C (6,191.6°F).
Damn hit my boy with one of those famous tungsten finesse barz and you fell for it... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tungsten isnt super cheap either.
Gold fraud seems to run deep into pockets.
Remember kids, "Crook" dosent mean Broke
The year 2023 witnessed an average price of around $260 per metric ton unit of tungsten trioxide, marking a slight decrease of 5.5% compared to the previous year. This fluctuation underscores the sensitivity of tungsten prices to geopolitical shifts and economic conditions. 260$ for a metric ton seems cheap when gold is like 2k USD for an oz that informations decently credible as well
You should name All parties Involved so that won't happen to someone else.
And tungsten being almost the same atomic mass as gold makes it perfect to scam with.
They were hoping you'd put that bar in a safe for 10 yrs
The refinery was scamming you guys because tungsten melted at more than twice the temperature to melt so obviously they would have to set the temperature to get that high so they would know for a fact without a doubt that they were melting tungsten.
U got ripped somewhere down the road so go trace your steps and figure out who ripped you and deal with them personally and don’t mean call the cops deal with it coz they disrespected you and people will not try this bullshit again
Sorry but physics doesn't lie.... people do. Tungsten is nearly impossible to smelt in anything but a very specialized furnace. Gold on the other hand, gold has a pretty low melting point. During a pour you'd end up with a bunch of solid Tungsten pieces in molten gold... not a perfectly coated bar. To make a bar like that you'd have to pour gold half way up a mold, wait till it solidified, placed a Tungsten blank or core on top then pour gold over the top till you filled the mold.
When melting your gold bars or coins, take this advice very closely, one must be there watching the melting process actually the entire process, this seems to happen a lot specially when giving it to a random jeweler you never had work with
He was and recorded it all is what he commented above and says it can’t be the refinery
The people that melted it for you gold plated a tungsten bar and kept some coins for themselves... and owner thought he was getting same wait back.
Please share where you bought them, and what mint they were stamped with.
At a melting point of 6,191°F, tungsten wouldn't have been removed considering golds melting point is like 4k less than that.
He bought the gold plated coins that Andrew Tate kept buying for 25¢ LoL
if you're testing by way of XRF, Gold can show up as tungsten. in my experience its normally just the last .09% that will show false positive for tungsten. most good refiners know this and will ignore it in evaluation of purity/cost. this is why XRF shouldn't be used to quantify/qualify gold at this lvl, or should be used in conjunction with other methods. Just the visual of physical properties tells you there's something wrong. tungsten is extremely brittle and fractures exactly how it is in your sample. gold, however, as we all know, is the exact opposite and is extremely ductile. looks as if someone is Fing around and should find out very soon. I'd request an aduit of the refinery that did the work. Get someone who knows what they are doing to help you audit them. even some of the big refineries have been known to fudge things from time to time. Gold has driven good men to do shady things since the dawn of time. Refine in house is the only way to go!
Break your gold before getting it melted. A quick visual inspection would tell you wether your coins were tungsten filled.
Tungsten has the same density as gold, its always used to make fake gold plated ounces of gold. And the plating is thick enough for the acid test and often that gun machine thing test. Speaking from experience $$😅😢
Melting points
Gold: 1,948°F
Tungsten: 6,192°F
Who swapped the bar? The Cuban link MFG?
I have a 1.5" tungsten cube. It weighs 2.2 pounds.
Dealer sounds to be in on it 😮
Tungsten often shows up as gold on those tests. There's a lot of confusion between the two, so it's one of the easier ways to fake gold.
Bullshit.
My grandpa taught me alot about coins. First things is, they are NEVER worth the orice people are asking. Second of all, its very common for scammers to use tungsten coins covered in a thick layer of real gold to make the weight proper. That how they get around the scan test. It only picks up the gold on the outside because the layer is thick. You should have done the fkick test on the coins. If they have a slight ring, its gold. If it sounds dull then its tungsten.
Miami. Home of the ripoff. They were melting in Tungsten to make it heavier and still test around 22K gold. Get away from those guys dude.
Tungsten is same weight as gold. Gold plated tungsten is indistinguishable from gold by weight, only difference when melted
Gold will vaporize before tungsten will melt. The melting point of tungsten is ~3300°c and the boiling point of gold is 2600°c
you could have figured out that ahead of time if you knew your chemistry.
Tungsten and Gold have very different density and molecular weight. meaning, they weigh different amounts per the same volume. One mole of gold should weigh precisely 196.97~ grams, or 196.96657 g/mol
tungsten cored gold bars have been an issue for ages so wouldn't be shocked if it is a tungsten disc with gold shell and i think you have to drill them to be able to tell properly
Not the case. Just about the only property tungsten has in common with gold is it's weight and that they are both metals. Anyone melting that down will notice immediately, no excuses.
I think this is just some youtuber attention seeking bullshit story.
Anyone buying into that story should immediately switch careers if they have anything to do with valuables.
it has and does happen
I would never trust them again and question all prior dealings with the smelter, not personal just business
Make sure you put that Refinery on blast😂
You guys know that you can make crucibles out of tungsten right? It's common. It is durable at high temperature. Also molten metal does act as an acid. Thus it can dissolve tungsten from a crucible. If you guys don't know this, then you probably haven't melted stuff in tungsten before.
Tungsten is often used in making fake gold coins. About the only metal with the same density so you can make the coins to the same dimension as real gold.
Tungsten melting point i well over golds, a gold forge wont even melt Tungsten
@@charlesgodwin-cv6il ok?
@Jax nevermind if ypu need further explaining you're as dense as a rock
Some people try to pull a shifty & if successful, it’s a win but if backfire they’re willing to pay back. It’s what you call 80% honest 😂
It's a good deal just to do a refund and pocket the success. I call bullshit on this story tho. Either never happened or the youtuber is seriously out of his league.
I know exactly what happened.
Gold and tungsten have very similar density’s. So someone ripped you off by selling you gold ingots or gold jewelry made from tungsten that was heavily a gold plated or enveloped in gold.
So if you do the stone test or the electromagnetic test it would pass.
Your crucial on the other side is too hot which is was able to melt the tungsten.
But gold and tungsten don’t alloy well, which is why the melt results in cracks.
Except you are talking out of your ass. Trying to melt it and make into a gold bar would be pretty much impossible with about 0 chance of a professional not noticing.
The reason tungsten is used is because of it's density, and that would be the only test it could pass. Given scrutiny and permission to deform the object, it could be checked with a steel spoon.
The claim here is that they melted coins into a bar and didn't notice is beyond stupid. Tungsten has a melting point of 3 422 °C and gold is at 1064. Which means that one can be melted relatively easily and the other, well, not so much.
Also, tungsten burns in atmosphere. Where as gold oxides separate to oxygen and gold as low as 160 celcius, and that is for the most stable oxide of gold.
I'm not quite versed on gold or tungsten x-ray or acoustic properties, but at the very least the latter would yield results.
It's simple somebody was flossin someone else. Whom in the end passed it to you. The great thing is your seller seems to be reputable so you're safe. Thank God for good businessmen!
It is actually normal, the spectral emissions of gold and tungsten when you refract UV light off of them are nearly perfectly identical, and if that's the only way they tested it then it wouldn't surprise me. They have totally different conductive properties, and melting points as well, but if that little machine is all that was used then yeah, it's genuinely not enough to tell a difference sometimes.
To be more specific, gold refracts light between 200nm and 500nm, and tungsten will refract light between 300nm and 1400nm, which means when you shoot UV light (≈300nm) at them with the little device he has in the video, it can be extremely difficult for that device to tell the difference.
Melting temperature of tungsten 6200 degrees I don't know why people think you can melt gold and tungsten and put it together the only thing you can do is cover the tungsten with gold by suspending the tungsten bar and pouring the gold around it.
Yeah, it wasn't the dealer It was the refinery they may have unknowingly done this but not likely...if they knew you were going to roll this out then it must have been an accident they could have bought some bars that using the x-ray scanner would have shown 22k-23k but could have been thinly wrapped around tungsten which the density difference in 100gr bar is 2.2727% and he could have kept the coins pristine and given you a contaminated bar unknowingly refineries have to be 100% serious about their reputations I know because not only am I a jewelry picker from Estate sales but have been a jeweler for 30 years!
Edit: I failed to mention if person was able to swap out a contaminated bar keeping transaction out of the refinery's owner's knowledge it could be done on purpose this is what at the begining I was trying to say but lost track because there's too many factors I was pointing out and making this comment via my cell phone. My excuse and sticking to it!
Yeah true ...
But that someone gettting dupped is
YOU !!!
Tungsten won't melt in a gulf crucible.
It has one of the highest melting points, and even then, it doesn't really melt like a traditional metal.
They new what they were doing tungsten melts at such a higher temp, took your real gold weighed it then gave you a adulterated one
Who ever made the bar NOT the coins or scrap was the scammer. In order to get it to test as pure gold and to get the Tungsten to stay in the middle you have to mold a gold bar to be hollow on the inside and then poor a mixture of tungsten and a bonding agent like lead or tin. Otherwise Tungsten which is heavier than gold will sink to the bottom of the mold and be Obvious right after it was made. tungsten powder would be exposed on the outside surface of the bottom.
Gold melts at 1,064°C (1,947°F)
Tungsten melts 3,422°C (6,191.6°F)
There is not gold refinery that would be able to melt tungsten. Their equipment would disintegrate way before you could even get close. This was no accident, the bar was made to be a fake.
They gave you the worth of the weight of gold sent. Not the gold. So you were robbed. The gold price will fluctuate. They gave you what it was worth an they still have the gold.
So your Dealer tried to Burn you Boys clearly. He was hoping you were just squirrelling the Bar Away. Makes Perfect Sense.
Its kimda funny that there was a whole lot of people in the comments of the video melting down the "gold coins" saying those coins were gold plated tungsten.
*TUNGSTEN, hardest metal, DOESN'T ACCIDENTALLY GET INTO GOLD, it's chosen because it weighs EXACTLY what gold weighs, the last person to melt that metal deliberately scammed you, it's why he paid for it hoping you wouldn't report it.*
To be clear, tungsten is fine in gold, but that high of a percentage is clearly a sign of tampering.
Tungsten is not fine in gold. You can not add tungsten to gold by accident.
@@inso80 I'm saying that trace elements are normal, but anything above .01% is clearly added in
@@mythrilman672 Having even 0.01 in gold would be extremely questionable. Tungsten just doesn't work with gold like that.
The coins were tungsten plated with several layers of gold, enough gold that it would acid test as real . the only other place tungsten could have been introduced is at the refinery..
Looks like someone weighed the gold and switched it for a gold bar of equal weight.
That dealer tried to rip you off and when he got caught gave you back your money. Now if he gave what he was supposed to why wouldn't he think someone else screwed you over and not him ! If he gave you the real gold bar he wouldn't of given you any money back cause he would've known he did the right thing ! You should put his business on blast !
Just remelt it. The gold will float and the tungsten will sink easily separating the two metals. You aren’t making a tungsten/gold alloy at gold melting temps, it’s just not happening. Tungsten has a melting point of over 6k degrees Fahrenheit and at that temperature gold is burning.
Looks like you caught somebody red-handed
Why would you take coins that have differing value to get melted down?
Makes you wonder when is that Federal Reserve audit taking place?
Tungsten is used in fakes because its atomic weight is very close to golds. Making weights and measures almost identical.
Tungsten’s melting point is way higher than gold’s melting point. There’s like a 2400°C difference between them
I'd take a bet someone covered a tungsten bar in gold foil, to try and pass it off as full gold, they used tungsten for the weight but lead is actually closer, regardless getting the volume of gold and weighing it to make sure it should be around the same weight, not exactly cause 22 karats is only like 90% gold and that last 10% can through off weight by a little.
Okay there's one single possible reason why there is tungsten impurities mixed in with the gold.
Somebody added the same weight of tungsten as the weight of the gold that they stole
don't use that place again . they played the switch and go game they switched the real bar for a fake one because we seen the gold get melted
We took the bar that was melted. The refinery didn't do anything wrong. We were recording everything.
@@Crmjewelers glad you got your money back
It’s like watching Hershey’s make a chocolate bar but you get it home and it’s a Carmello or a Twix. I really don’t see how that’s possible.
@@robbglow its not someone switched the bar its simple they just don't know who
@Crmjewelers that isn't possible. This is just made up shit?
Can't see why a dealer would knowingly try to pass a bad bar off to a jewelry maker. Must have been a mistake.
There is a ultrasonic test for tungsten hidden in gold bars....unless they are melted together...then you have to compare volume with weight....or a spectrographic test.....
One of the coins could have been tungsten or the person melting the bar pockets a coin replaces it with tungsten because the weight is comparable
I dont even know why anyone would use a 3rd party refinery for gold, gold is so easy to melt down.... Using a third party is an unneaded risk
Tungsten has a SUPER high melting temperature. Gold does not. Something don't jive with this situation!
Wasnt an accident tungsten is one of the heavier metals with a long lasting lifespan, it was definitely meant to fool someone they hoped would keep it in stamped form
Should of mentioned that tungsten and gold have almost identical density.
Tungsten is a common counterfeit material because of its almost exact same weight and density as other precious metals
It's only 300$ for a setup that'd melt that amount of gold in an electric furnace. Maybe like 75$ for the graphite mold. 6 bucks for a bag of borax. Having a 3rd party melt your coins is screwing yourself over.
Its the Coins. If they were Gold Plated, then its was Gold OVER something, and in this case, Tungston.
Sounds like somebody in your chain is stealing your gold and replacing it with contaminants. In the old times this would result in busted knuckles at the least.
I would stay away from that company. Trust is key in this busines. Once you lose it you never get it back. They are done for
Maybe I’m ignorant but, why would you melt down coins that could have a collectors value. Please tell me…
Fake gold coins are a huge problem.
Tungsten melts way higher than gold but it’s cheap and heavy. Unbelievable… shit bags in every business, especially the fine metals.
I think tungsten weighs almost the same as gold and is used as a filler to get more money for the weight
So the refinery sold the coins for premium above spot, sent you a fake bar. When it was found to be fake, they payed you back spot? If they are a refinery they should have known the bar was fake. Were they holding a fake someone sold them, did an employee fake it to steal the gold, or is the refinery trying to commit theft? Who knows but at the very least they are highly incompetent and shouldn’t be dealt with.
I mean tungsten is one of the heaviest metals, it would help make up for the missing gold weight
Just figure where it left your sight. I think it’s the dealer, if you’re not guilty, why would you cough up the $? When dealing with valuables and money, everyone is guilty till they prove themselves otherwise. Sorry but that’s the nature of the game.
Tungsten shouldn't even melt in the crucible unless you are trying to evaporate the gold
which is why I only deal in silver, way less fraud
Tungsten melts at 6k fahrenheit, no way youre getting there without some sort of arc melting apparatus. I call bull crap, this was poured over a Tungsten rod and they nipped the other gold.
Tungsten is used to make fake gold feel heavier
This happens all the time. Half of the gold coins out there are not legit. Even a lot of the ingots of "gold" are fakes. There was a guy that would get $20,000 in gold and make fakes by using it to make a mold then make look-a-likes with creamy center of not gold and sale them to make $100,000. He did this for years. Before he was found in a dumpster. How many others are out there doing the same thing???
Someone accepted some fake gold coins. There's a lot of fake coins that have a gold foil over them though are tungsten inside so they weigh the same as solid gold on a scale
Plus that bar looked like a straight gold plated tungsten bar like the entire center of the bar was tungsten with a very thin layer of gold, just looks straight sketchy!!