I Thank God for Team ICR for this Podcast on this specific topic 👏👏 Really Appreciate all the points discussed explaining the topic of 'Did Dinosaurs have feathers'. One humble Suggestion/request from me is that if you could show pictures of the specific discussion point that is talked about so that it helps the viewer relate better. For eg: - picture of the archaeopetryx for a few seconds while talking about it. - Graphical representation of The layers of fossil Jurrasic, Terrasic, Creataceous etc. Through pictures where Archaeopetryx was and where The Therapods were at. - Drawings of The Hip structure difference between erect reptiles and Birds walking on Knees mentioned in the discussion. Showing pictures side by side with markings for better reference. - pictures of The compressed Dolphin experiment where the Collagen showing as feather like lines etc. Thanks in Advance 👍 God Bless Shalom ☺️
@ICR you made mention to "Scientists" and certain "research" but you gave NO names and no reference to these research by name. It would be helpful and make your case stronger if actually call out the actual names of the scientists and also the research that you are referring to. Including the finding that you state there from the NatGeo that was a hoax. Where is the evidence of said "hoax"?
Here’s a links to articles that support what this man said. One is Wikipedia so you’ll have to check their sources. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2270928/ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoraptor
@@domblack6288 Oh hey, Archaeoraptor, isn’t the back part of it the microraptor holotype? Think it is. I love it how we have such great specimens that that Dromaeosaur but the first one was literally just the tail and legs haha
The one they mentioned with Sinosauropteryx is Alan Feduccia. He’s some quack who engages in motivated reasoning cause he’s part of this little club called BAND (birds are not dinosaurs). From what I’ve heard, they swore a pact or something to deny all evidence in favor of a predetermined conclusion. If you read any of the papers on this animal though you would realize the man’s claims are baseless and contradict the facts
Hi ! I come from Switzerland and i speak french. I would ask you if you could make a french version of your videos :D I know that the channel "Bible et science" translated one of your videos but i need more ahahaha ;) Thank you so much for your job and be blessed
Always blessed with true science. Elementary school taught that humans were related to monkeys and over time the tails were gone. So I sort of believed it because of our "tail bone"😂
I know right, they could’ve taught us so many other cool things like how both our constricted and non-constricted DNA forms a nested hierarchy with other primates
@@travisbicklepopsicleBased response. When literal creation backs up a claim yet you deny it that’s when their’s some sort of motivated reasoning going on
@@travisbicklepopsicle bro i swear , i never saw a more ridiculous comment in my life, and you deceive people with this craps? do they even buy it? OMG, people really need to wake up, *YOU LITTERALLY JUST MOCKED HIS THEORY WHICH IS TRUE BTW* with stupid non-sense words, what are you trying to do? explain me... im not that easy to trick, if you want to trick me you would need actual evidence, not mambo jumbo here and there, you trying to deceive people, that's it, if someone with my analytical abilities, he/she would quickly see the mambo jumbo used in your statement, you can only trick people who are easily trickable, keep that in mind while you keep working on your comedy script...the fun fact is that you are so into your script that you have litterally deceived even yourself, yoooooooooo REBOOT YOUR SYSTEM dude, you have a memory segmentation fault failure exception!!!
There was an apparent contradiction in the bible on day 5 God created "birds" but science tells us that birds came from dinosaurs and dinosaurs were created after on day 6 but the Hebrew word for flying creatures was used "oph" and this meant not only flying insects but all flying creatures including birds there were 130 flying pterosaurs that existed before land animals, so science and the bible have been harmonized. It's the newer interpretations that sometimes trip people up.
7:22 I could be wrong, but isn't the hip structure of Archaeopteryx more dinosaur like? Even if dinosaurs did have feathers, didn't someone say common design = common designer? They have scales, after all What about Troodontidae having pennaceous feathers? Is that, too, just collagen remnants? Hold on, I forgot about Zhenyuanlong from 2015 I'd be more careful with Lingham-Soliar after I read a critique of his work "ON THE PURPORTED PRESENCE OF FOSSILIZED COLLAGEN FIBRES IN AN ICHTHYOSAUR AND A THEROPOD DINOSAUR" by Smithwick (as not everything came down to resolution). I haven't read Soliar's paper nor am I an expert in that field but this paper seems convincing.
The papers all sound convincing until you realize they are written "to the choir." I have read papers written by Berkeley professors that were just awful at the glaring questions that arise as the paper was read, questions so blatant as to require an answer. There were none. As you read these papers, ask questions of the material presented and you will see what I mean.
@@oldfart269 Went ahead and did that and the explanation they gave made sense. I say you cut out the hasty generalization fallacy and stop your motivated reasoning
lol they just claim troodontids to be birds, also yes, Archaeopteryx’s hip had a less retroverted (swooped back) pubis than modern birds. Honestly most birds were like that in the Cretaceous
I really don't understand the reasoning of the whole dinosaurs to birds scenario. Usually, there is some diabolical reason to confuse people, but why is this important enough for them to push it so hard?
Cause your crowd decided to attack the thing ofc. It’s not like you guys are repeatedly claiming that basal synapsids didn’t evolve into mammals or something
Also they say the velociraptor had feathers because it had supposed quill knobs. I looked into this and found out that quill knobs are for flight but that doesn’t make any sense cause those arm’s definitely won’t get him off the ground. Evolutionary paleontologists realized that so they said that they used them to do a free fall like the chickens in Minecraft only they go a bit faster in reality. I saw this in the new show prehistoric planet God gave the artists and animators a great gift pray for them. Besides that it may seem very convincing but I realized if it did have feathers it would have suffered because it can’t clean its feathers. You see you need a beak to clean feathers because just washing in water isn’t enough. You have to cause they’ll get knotted and clump up and that is really bad. Look at the mouth of velociraptor you think those long teeth will clean feathers trust me my brother it won’t. Now some may argue what about the extinct birds we’ve found they have teeth. This is true but if you look at the teeth of velociraptor and those guys you see the difference. You see there mouth is beak shaped and the teeth are tiny not huge those tiny teeth will actually help clean it’s feathers while the velociraptors big curved teeth won’t. One more thing the supposed quill knobs. There are two possibilities of what they are the first one is most likely that while the waters of the flood were coming and burying them quickly in sediment that some water came in to the fossil and did something to the bone like the collagen fiber thing. Or they are for connecting nerves and tissue. An evolutionist said this when he looked at a oviraptor fossil. Any way God bless. And just to let you know even if they find a actual dinosaur fossil with feathers don’t be swayed if they say this is proof. Cause we shouldn’t be It just be another example how creative and wonderful God is. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
@@rodericgurrola1745 I heard that oviraptoran and the like feathers might've been for display more than just insulation like the more proto-feathers, just like certain male birds have long and/or colourful retrices or upper coverts that give them a disadvantage in flight, or, I assume at least, the birds with a long feather on each wing could you elaborate on the quill knob flood though? How could the waters have shaped the knobs into the arm bone but not in other bones or dinosaurs or rather do you perhaps know the exact process? For the preening I found an interesting article called "Evolution of flight-feather preening revealed in new fossil skeleton of Saurornitholestes langstoni" which claims that that dino has a tooth they assume is for preening which was also identified in velociraptor
There was reptiles and birds, just like today. The only difference with today is mammals and lower co2 so, oxygen and greenery is much less and much smaller. Same reason as to how reptiles and birds are smaller today.
Furcula, air sacs that go through bones, number of finger , archaeopteryx had more similar hip to velociraptor, how they nest,antorbital fenestra,acetabular fenestra , quill knobs same as birds in structure and location proof of vanes feathers, bony tail in archaeopteryx and velociraptor, velociraptor backward facing pubis more bird like the the Rex like almost identical to archaeopteryx, full meat covered mouth in both archaeopteryx and velociraptor with non heterodnot teeth just how much have u forgot to me this is more than enough to prove that birds are dinosaurs and just how many other peoplease are trying to spot the lies
Birds did not descend from cretaceous bird like dinosaurs theyou have their own branch plus look at a theropod phylogeny two related Clades should look a like regardless of time periods
Lmfao they most definitely did not have feathers, at least not fir the most part. Yes there was feathered species around this period but dinosaurs in general are lizards, hence the name dinosaur. This can be proved by looking at remains of the deinonychus.
Who’s gonna tell this guy that we know that those impressions on Sinosauropteryx were feathers because they preserve melanosomes, you know, a structure that gives feathers their color? Oh and don’t just say “those supposed melanosomes were actually just bacteria” cause they’re only found In the darker filaments, not light areas. Did I also mention that these things are preserved with a gap between the bones so would’ve been external to the skin? You people do nothing other than give Christianity a bad name. You ignore God’s record he spoke through creation in favor of some ancient book, and mislead children into believing lies
I Thank God for Team ICR for this Podcast on this specific topic 👏👏 Really Appreciate all the points discussed explaining the topic of 'Did Dinosaurs have feathers'.
One humble Suggestion/request from me is that if you could show pictures of the specific discussion point that is talked about so that it helps the viewer relate better.
For eg:
- picture of the archaeopetryx for a few seconds while talking about it.
- Graphical representation of The layers of fossil Jurrasic, Terrasic, Creataceous etc. Through pictures where Archaeopetryx was and where The Therapods were at.
- Drawings of The Hip structure difference between erect reptiles and Birds walking on Knees mentioned in the discussion. Showing pictures side by side with markings for better reference.
- pictures of The compressed Dolphin experiment where the Collagen showing as feather like lines etc.
Thanks in Advance 👍
God Bless
Shalom
☺️
@ICR you made mention to "Scientists" and certain "research" but you gave NO names and no reference to these research by name. It would be helpful and make your case stronger if actually call out the actual names of the scientists and also the research that you are referring to. Including the finding that you state there from the NatGeo that was a hoax. Where is the evidence of said "hoax"?
Here’s a links to articles that support what this man said. One is Wikipedia so you’ll have to check their sources.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2270928/
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoraptor
@@domblack6288 Thank you!
@@domblack6288 Oh hey, Archaeoraptor, isn’t the back part of it the microraptor holotype? Think it is. I love it how we have such great specimens that that Dromaeosaur but the first one was literally just the tail and legs haha
The one they mentioned with Sinosauropteryx is Alan Feduccia. He’s some quack who engages in motivated reasoning cause he’s part of this little club called BAND (birds are not dinosaurs). From what I’ve heard, they swore a pact or something to deny all evidence in favor of a predetermined conclusion. If you read any of the papers on this animal though you would realize the man’s claims are baseless and contradict the facts
Not millions of years...but few weeks of the flood....wow what an explanation.
My 8 year old daughter was asking me about this today cause all her library books say it.
Classic parental indoctrination.
I wish to thank you for sharing this Did Dinosaurs Have Feathers Podcast # 38 video with me .
they give them feathers because they want dinosaurs to be the ancestors of birds. Try as they may. 🙂🙏
I do not think it really matters to biologists what birds are related to. They are just going were the evidence leads them.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 Going where the evidence leads is exactly what they are not doing.
@@faithtruth8036 Caudipteryx zoui is an early Cretaceous example of a feathered theropod that has many birdlike features.
@@faithtruth8036 ever heard of things like Beipiaosaurus or Anchiornis?
@@haggismcbaggis9485 theirs also creatures like Shuvuuia
You should take part of these podcasts and make them into TH-cam Shorts! :)
That's a wonderful idea!
I have no problem if a dinosaur did have feathers because a designer could use the same structure for more than one thing.
What about the fact that dinosaurs were coldblooded reptiles and wouldnt survive with feathers?
Hi ! I come from Switzerland and i speak french. I would ask you if you could make a french version of your videos :D
I know that the channel "Bible et science" translated one of your videos but i need more ahahaha ;)
Thank you so much for your job and be blessed
You should do that yourself it would be great.
Always blessed with true science. Elementary school taught that humans were related to monkeys and over time the tails were gone. So I sort of believed it because of our "tail bone"😂
There are tailless monkeys and there are also apes. The Manx cat is also tailless.
I know right, they could’ve taught us so many other cool things like how both our constricted and non-constricted DNA forms a nested hierarchy with other primates
@@travisbicklepopsicle well at least you saw it
Except the DNA is not 98% similar, but in the mid 80% and reuse of structure does not a cousin make.
No ape has a tail.
Feathered Dinosaurs look silly and wrong. I'm old school, I like the way they looked in the late 90s even if Jurassic Park is exaggerated fiction.
There are a lot of crazy theories out there, but making dinosaurs turn into flying birds is absolutely insane.
@@travisbicklepopsicle Because there is NO vast amount of data supporting that even slightly. It has long been proven fake.
@@travisbicklepopsicle There is no proof of dinosaurs evolving into birds only unprovable hypothesis.
@@travisbicklepopsicleBased response. When literal creation backs up a claim yet you deny it that’s when their’s some sort of motivated reasoning going on
The theropod link is tenuous and is not settled, but theory.
@@travisbicklepopsicle bro i swear , i never saw a more ridiculous comment in my life, and you deceive people with this craps? do they even buy it? OMG, people really need to wake up, *YOU LITTERALLY JUST MOCKED HIS THEORY WHICH IS TRUE BTW* with stupid non-sense words, what are you trying to do? explain me... im not that easy to trick, if you want to trick me you would need actual evidence, not mambo jumbo here and there, you trying to deceive people, that's it, if someone with my analytical abilities, he/she would quickly see the mambo jumbo used in your statement, you can only trick people who are easily trickable, keep that in mind while you keep working on your comedy script...the fun fact is that you are so into your script that you have litterally deceived even yourself, yoooooooooo REBOOT YOUR SYSTEM dude, you have a memory segmentation fault failure exception!!!
Ironically I had deep fried dinosaur for supper.
Finger licking good KFC lol
There was an apparent contradiction in the bible on day 5 God created "birds" but science tells us that birds came from dinosaurs and dinosaurs were created after on day 6 but the Hebrew word for flying creatures was used "oph" and this meant not only flying insects but all flying creatures including birds there were 130 flying pterosaurs that existed before land animals, so science and the bible have been harmonized. It's the newer interpretations that sometimes trip people up.
7:22 I could be wrong, but isn't the hip structure of Archaeopteryx more dinosaur like?
Even if dinosaurs did have feathers, didn't someone say common design = common designer? They have scales, after all
What about Troodontidae having pennaceous feathers? Is that, too, just collagen remnants?
Hold on, I forgot about Zhenyuanlong from 2015
I'd be more careful with Lingham-Soliar after I read a critique of his work "ON THE PURPORTED PRESENCE OF FOSSILIZED
COLLAGEN FIBRES IN AN ICHTHYOSAUR AND A
THEROPOD DINOSAUR" by Smithwick (as not everything came down to resolution). I haven't read Soliar's paper nor am I an expert in that field but this paper seems convincing.
The papers all sound convincing until you realize they are written "to the choir." I have read papers written by Berkeley professors that were just awful at the glaring questions that arise as the paper was read, questions so blatant as to require an answer. There were none.
As you read these papers, ask questions of the material presented and you will see what I mean.
@@oldfart269 Went ahead and did that and the explanation they gave made sense. I say you cut out the hasty generalization fallacy and stop your motivated reasoning
lol they just claim troodontids to be birds, also yes, Archaeopteryx’s hip had a less retroverted (swooped back) pubis than modern birds. Honestly most birds were like that in the Cretaceous
birds have scales as well if you look at a chckien feet youll see it
@@norbix-od7rt It was some time ago but I think that's what I meant with the "They have scales after all" part, guess I should've phrased that better
Was that the Perot Museum?
Thanks ICR
You're welcome!
I really don't understand the reasoning of the whole dinosaurs to birds scenario. Usually, there is some diabolical reason to confuse people, but why is this important enough for them to push it so hard?
Cause your crowd decided to attack the thing ofc. It’s not like you guys are repeatedly claiming that basal synapsids didn’t evolve into mammals or something
couse its the truth
My brain basically debunked everything this guy said. It hurt... it hurt alot.
I'm sorry about your brain. :/
@@icrscience Thanks...?
Lol I’m about to go through the works too. Hopefully they don’t say anything too stupid, as I’ve read a ton of papers on this kinda stuff
it would help to name the Paleontologist mentioned a few times.
And what about the arm bones of Velociraptor, where were found marks for possible feathers?
He explained those were pressured collagen
Also they say the velociraptor had feathers because it had supposed quill knobs. I looked into this and found out that quill knobs are for flight but that doesn’t make any sense cause those arm’s definitely won’t get him off the ground. Evolutionary paleontologists realized that so they said that they used them to do a free fall like the chickens in Minecraft only they go a bit faster in reality. I saw this in the new show prehistoric planet God gave the artists and animators a great gift pray for them. Besides that it may seem very convincing but I realized if it did have feathers it would have suffered because it can’t clean its feathers. You see you need a beak to clean feathers because just washing in water isn’t enough. You have to cause they’ll get knotted and clump up and that is really bad. Look at the mouth of velociraptor you think those long teeth will clean feathers trust me my brother it won’t. Now some may argue what about the extinct birds we’ve found they have teeth. This is true but if you look at the teeth of velociraptor and those guys you see the difference. You see there mouth is beak shaped and the teeth are tiny not huge those tiny teeth will actually help clean it’s feathers while the velociraptors big curved teeth won’t. One more thing the supposed quill knobs. There are two possibilities of what they are the first one is most likely that while the waters of the flood were coming and burying them quickly in sediment that some water came in to the fossil and did something to the bone like the collagen fiber thing. Or they are for connecting nerves and tissue. An evolutionist said this when he looked at a oviraptor fossil. Any way God bless. And just to let you know even if they find a actual dinosaur fossil with feathers don’t be swayed if they say this is proof. Cause we shouldn’t be It just be another example how creative and wonderful God is. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
@@rodericgurrola1745 I heard that oviraptoran and the like feathers might've been for display more than just insulation like the more proto-feathers, just like certain male birds have long and/or colourful retrices or upper coverts that give them a disadvantage in flight, or, I assume at least, the birds with a long feather on each wing
could you elaborate on the quill knob flood though? How could the waters have shaped the knobs into the arm bone but not in other bones or dinosaurs or rather do you perhaps know the exact process?
For the preening I found an interesting article called "Evolution of flight-feather preening revealed in new fossil skeleton of Saurornitholestes langstoni" which claims that that dino has a tooth they assume is for preening which was also identified in velociraptor
It’s not just velociraptor either, plenty of Oviraptorosaurs have these same impressions too
Because the bird like dinosaurs diversified the most in the cretaceous
There was reptiles and birds, just like today.
The only difference with today is mammals and lower co2 so, oxygen and greenery is much less and much smaller. Same reason as to how reptiles and birds are smaller today.
Dinosaurs are cool, feathered or not
Could there be extinct creatures that had features of dinosaurs and had feathers? Creatures such as the platypus don't fit either.
The collagen idea had been disproves that is why it is being dismissed and bird paleontologists agree with dinosaur paleontologists
Ive been argueing this for years now and have been relentlessly flamed for it lol people are hard headed and stubborn.
They think birds can be dinosaurs, just like they think men can be women.
Why did pterosaurs get buried in the jurassic if they were good flyers shouldn't they be buried only in the cretaceous?
The answer is yes, some theropod dinosaurs had feathers. But still not sure if T. Rex did.
Creation week? Are you serious?
Hm,.. at the top, do they really think/be lie eve that??
Do u know gutsick gibbon
I never believe that birds and dinosaurs are related.
I'm sorry but microraptor is a raptor not a bird and nobody is saying it is a bird
The amount of nonsense in this video is truly impressive
Furcula, air sacs that go through bones, number of finger , archaeopteryx had more similar hip to velociraptor, how they nest,antorbital fenestra,acetabular fenestra , quill knobs same as birds in structure and location proof of vanes feathers, bony tail in archaeopteryx and velociraptor, velociraptor backward facing pubis more bird like the the Rex like almost identical to archaeopteryx, full meat covered mouth in both archaeopteryx and velociraptor with non heterodnot teeth
just how much have u forgot to me this is more than enough to prove that birds are dinosaurs and just how many other peoplease are trying to spot the lies
Have forgot to mention, more like birds than the rex
U have never seen archaeopteryx skeleton
Hey guys dromaesuarids are birds I can't believe some birds have four wings and have normal mouths
Birds did not descend from cretaceous bird like dinosaurs theyou have their own branch plus look at a theropod phylogeny two related Clades should look a like regardless of time periods
Look at archaeopteryx skeleton
At 10:13 I'm starting to get bored
Birds with dinosaurs hips and long bony tail why did u ignore the hip
I'm mean not ignore lie
Birds evolved into Dinosaur, and a few tens of millions years later Dinos evolved back into birds. Simple.
Lmfao they most definitely did not have feathers, at least not fir the most part. Yes there was feathered species around this period but dinosaurs in general are lizards, hence the name dinosaur. This can be proved by looking at remains of the deinonychus.
Who’s gonna tell this guy that we know that those impressions on Sinosauropteryx were feathers because they preserve melanosomes, you know, a structure that gives feathers their color? Oh and don’t just say “those supposed melanosomes were actually just bacteria” cause they’re only found In the darker filaments, not light areas. Did I also mention that these things are preserved with a gap between the bones so would’ve been external to the skin?
You people do nothing other than give Christianity a bad name. You ignore God’s record he spoke through creation in favor of some ancient book, and mislead children into believing lies
That ancient book is the word of God. They are calling God truthful by saying His word is true.
Secular Science?
What an absurd fellow this guy is..every word he says is silly...what else can be expected
Classic fundie apologism
Ur the biggest lier