I was very worried posting my last video, because I was honest and said: "I harshly judge the success of others" and that "I'm jealous of them". But I didn't even consider, that people would take this video as some kind of political ideology and only focus on a small comment. This video was not even meant to be political. So if you only focus on this one small part of the video, no wonder you don't understand any of my technical videos lol
Taking a condescending tone to an issue that genuinely affects POC and queer people is whitesplaining at its finest. Just because someone has a mild disagreement with your conclusions does not imply that they don't understand all of your tech videos.
@@LeonoraTindall Excuse me? How is being disrespectful "owning" anyone? We have to suffer silent mental harassment from our families and colleagues at work because of what you do when you speak on our behalf. I've personally come from an extremely poor background, studied in restaurants and managed to pass exams and get a well paying job.
@Virtual Self this was not the point of the video. It was a small comment on the side. You make the video political. I was worried posting this video because I honestly shared that I'm jealous of the success of others, and that I judge other people. I would have never thought that such a small part becomes the focus of the video.
@@prakashdewan5679 let's talk about this. hit me up on discord or google hangout or so, and you explain your comment to me. Because I don't understand it.
@Azhar Gana when everyone is an alien, no one is. See if there are people interested in the same stuff as you and try to make friends with them - 13 is too young to be watching computer science videos during recess 🥺
@azhargana2651It is entirely unfair to you that you are made to feel this way. There is nothing alien about being interested into something specific. I just hope that you aren't feeling lonely because of this... I hope that wherever you go you find someone who will be interested.
@Beep Boop The very unfortunate thing is that somehow a large portion of the population is willing to just pretend that it doesn't exist to justify why rich are rich and poor are poor to make the world fair in their minds.
Amen to this i had a fist full of certs no job guy that eats his boogers and got lost in a strait hallway passed me cuz dad knew soso who knew boss he was it
your 'socializing' is this channel. Seriously, you are famous in the hacking world. You are teaching others and this gives you 'cred'. You run one of the best youtube channels around. You don't need to be 'the best', you have given all of us a window into your journey. This is something we can all relate to. Keep up the great work.
Great topic. I grew up as a nerd, during university “evolved” into social nerd. Sometimes hiding my nerd but always at my core a nerd. Now at my senior work years no longer hiding my nerd. Be proud of yourself whoever you are. We are not one, we are diverse. Appreciate others input, learn from others views,make your own mind. Try to avoid heard mentality, we are not lamb.
This video was a bit of a rollercoaster. For the first part of the video, I was convinced I was about to have a disillusioning experience where a youtuber I followed more or less revealed themselves to have horrific levels of arrogance and a just world fallacy mindset. Turns out the cold and blunt speech doesn't mean a uncaring/heartless person. This video seemed like a neat look into someone's head. Someone who has introspection and actually cares. I also kinda ironically was just thinking to myself, maybe I can survive and be ok not being half as good as this guy... Until reality hit and I remembered Im terrible at socializing and also don't have many demographic advantages going for me. Addendum: Honestly, seeing a guy like this guy, who is a successful, and what I consider to be highly functional (as in very skilled/with high capacity) express opinions with thoughts that sound close to mind is nice because I always have self doubt that my opinions are based on my position of mediocrity despite the reasons I feel they have merit.
This is even worse in the creative field. Over 5 years working as a graphic designer and I can't even fill an entry job while people who just patch together free internet templates are getting my dream job. It was the main reason why I decided to change careers and become a web developer instead (but I'm starting to see that there's no way out). When you said that "meritocracy isn't real" and "that you hate this", you really took the words out of my mouth. For months I've been thinking: "fuck this, I didn't start coding to go outside and make fake friends". It sucks that we don't make the rules. We are on the same boat, my man. I wish you all the best.
I guess this is the danger of thing being made "just a few clicks away". I must admit, though, that I use tools like Figma myself (be it with the blank page, I've never used the templates)
Thanks for being so honest. I wish all people were to be more honest like this. Instead we have social media as a facade with only success stories that makes the grass on the other side seem neon green. And your own grass grey..
I really like how you speak from your heart. I didn't spend the time to think those things but you are so right on so many levels. BTW, just so you know, I am jealous of you :) but I really think you deserve every merit you are getting. Thank you for all your work!
This video came at the perfect time for me! Just started a new IT internship that isn't what I expected and am so frustrated with these exact thoughts. I need to just let the whole merit/success association go and do what I enjoy for enjoyment and not expect a reward for it. Thanks LiveOverflow ❤️
some people in this comment section need to hear this: sometimes incompetent white guys get hired. they weren't trying to fill a white guy quota, but there are complicated factors in the hiring process. maybe if there was a video explaining the nuance and cognitive dissonance associated with meritocracy in the hiring process...
I’m a white guy who just got hired through networking. I mean, I do have insane skill, but its not like it mattered. I got hired only one the sole fact that I knew someone, they have no actual proof of my skills whatsoever. Feels weird.
@@AnonYmous-spyonmeplsthe whole industry from bottom to the top say, its not what you know its who you know. And with ai scanning of 1000s of resume I can see why. The hiring process is inefficient for most companies, so picking a friend is a lot easier and increases the stock value faster too 🤓
hey fabien, thank you very much for this video and intake on IT security jobs and meritocracy! I value "merit" very much, in a way that I also judge myself very hard, and I observe that this behaviour is indeed toxic, and compromisses my own learning and psychological health. It's not an "on-off" switch, but this talk with you definetily helped towards a healthier way to deal with this "impostor syndrome" and gigantic pressure that i put myself through. Thanks again, this talk really got through me. Greetings from Brasil
I first watched this 3 years ago, not remembering much of it though. At that time, I was a novice bug bounty hunter. Now I am an experienced BB hunter, I resonate with many things that he says, jealousy, not enough merit to deserve this kind of success, etc.
I disagree with the point that "it's not a meritocracy because most opportunities come from networking". If I knew somebody was hiring, I wouldn't recommend anyone in my network just because I'm friends with them. They have to be good at what they do, and have earned that "merit", for me to consider recommending them. Nobody is going to risk their own reputation to recommend a bad/average-at-best developer. If someone doesn't have a network of past colleagues / acquaintances that know they're a good worker, they can't expect anyone to recommend them to potential employers - that's something that is earned. Hence, you probably earned your friend recommending you to a company (you're a good enough human being to be his friend, and a good enough developer that he would risk his reputation to recommend you).
Good point, theres some room for subjectivity though. You could be iq 90 recomending a friend tht is iq 95 because you think your feiend is smarter and more qualified than you, but the job actually requires 120 iq. Then you have simps recomending women for jobs because they think they are hawt lol.
As one of the many people who are into doing this and want to do it as a living (or similar), it's what I think about all the time and it's highly demotivating. I don't know anyone and that limits my options so much. People will tell me that it's my fault and it is because I know that success is more than just having knowledge and skills but.. idk maybe it is our fault if we don't do something else.
Your goals in part 3 are exactly how I ended up here btw --- totally derailed from working on a project using your videos in part for technical reference but then I decided I wanted to binge your channel like it was TV last night (derailed because i didn't watch any of the videos i was supposed to lol--no regerts tho and here's why---in long post format). It's not easy to articulate so forgive me here; your combination of enthusiasm, humility, and critical nature not only makes the information easier to absorb but your personality deeply humanizes it on the way. Humanizing computer science is an art that I *could* say really elegant things about because it's a topic that's been haunting me but I'm haunted so this ain't pretty. I'm at whole-identity-crisis level as I step into my very first Real Tech Job next week as a 30 y/o woman who somehow... missed the boat despite being on it the whole time? I've been iconoclastically an internet nerd forever and somehow missed this thing (the back end) that would go from spark to supernova in me. I guess no one ever once included and encouraged and related computer *science* to me? Other than Lego and STEM gospel in public schools that wished I liked math more. No one ever treated it like art but you do and you're the first I've ever seen with a platform that uses it really well at that. OK---- one guy eventually did try and he showed me Mike Judge's Silicon Valley but I argued that I didn't have the time or money to train for a third job and I was lucky enough to have just landed a gig in an office finally. For so long the harder I worked the less time and money I seemed to have --- the people around me didn't really make theirs themselves and weren't about to just give me any so I started hacking all of my problems. I was doing everything I could to break into the tools around me to compensate for what I couldn't achieve or buy -- my plants were watering themselves, I finally made a nice tablet out of Bezos which helped me Frankenstein a smarthome, and I had officially traded my social life for a raspberry pi that could pretty much help me do literally anything. Bless FOSS. My job went nuts in the ways small businesses can and after enough years of nearly dying of stress for love I've got this new chance to actually get paid. And so should you --- because when I was cooling down enjoying my personal time to try and aggressively hack into my bf's outdated vizio TV (its apparently 3D but can't run netflix my ass) I crossed wires with some Def Con Dads who were laughing that my side-side project was trying to hack into this mobile mmo I got sucked into and they sent me your "STOP WASTING YOUR TIME" video and it was the first time I felt represented in ages, especially in this realm. I'm hype. I showed it to the two other people who sometimes hang out in my basement with me -- it improved our relationships. I shared your missing no. ones and it bridged the technical divide for some people in a way that is absolutely important and profound while also really helpin me crack this apk. They would have never thought about these things without your fun and artful approach that cares about the journey and not just the math. But for that reason we kind of need you to stay employed with it and comfortable because I need a bridge so I can be the troll underneath of it that I was always meant to be. Tl;dr: Your not measuring that the real weight of your merit in this community is that you can also carry us outside of this community. FR it's like you, Mr. Robot, and Network Chuck and he might actually be a Cisco robot shill sent to brainwash fresh young white guys. Silicon Valley was hella important for me as an outsider learning about the business parts but they had to really learn those lines to not fuck em up and I haven't watched the creepy Hulu show but I doubt it's gonna help me troubleshoot this burpsuite proxy in an Android 11 emulator or root my similarly plagued old pixel 2. And it's definitely not gonna write the python script I need to do to automate all these damn excel macros my old job really relies on but doesn't understand at all.
Very well put. I’m a PhD student in Germany, and it baffles me to find out even in the scientific/academic world meritocracy does not rule. Having an influential and well connected PI will triple your chances of getting a paper accepted or an being invited to give a talk somewhere.
Thank for putting this out there. The truth is that usually the people that dedicate themselves completely to what they do are the ones that build great things, but this naturally comes at a cost. That's just how the world works, and it's up to each one of us to choose what we want for ourselves.
Really good video Florian. I just realized I have some of that cognitive dissonance as well. You presented it in a very well structured manner, thanks!
I like this kind of introspective view of your own skills and success and how you got there compared to others. I especially enjoyed that LiveOverflow has a well-rounded view of the world and realizes that not all peoples are afforded the same opportunities. So while we may think that skills and hardwork alone matters, other human factors are also at play. In fact, in any facet of life, no matter what career you pursue, there will always be that human factor that creates a bias for how people are selected for that career. Skills and your own merits is not always the determining factor.
You say you didn't intend this video to be political, but this is what actual politics is about: it's not about elections, it's about how can we improve our society. Elections are just a very small part of it. Most of our time is spent at work where we don't have any power, we are at the mercy of the bosses which are at the mercy of the owners (or major shareholders) of the business. And that's when we can get a job, which is inaccessible to many for reasons beyond their control. It all comes down to freedom: I may want to nerd out for 60 hours a week for a couple of weeks and next month I may want to help people or I want to not do anything. But society as it's structured right now doesn't allow me to choose. I either give most of my time to a business all year round, or I have no means to pursue my own interests. Passionate hobbies of mine turn into things I hate and burn me out because of this dichotomy forced onto most of us. This is the reason everybody should know about worker cooperatives and workplace democracy, so we can move society towards a future where we are all much more free, and merit only unlocks extras, such as being the expert voice of some topic. By the way, the word "meritocracy" was coined as a satirical term, it was not meant to be a system worth pursuing.
Yes you are right. Without ideals though we would absolutely burnout and probably commit deletion. Without the ideal of meritocracy, we would eventually all change our gender and sexual orientation and race and job title and work experience just to get the bag. The bankers at the top dont want too much expansion (improvement) among the peasants.
Thanx for your honesty in this video. My take is that life is not fair and it never will be fair. People have to rise over their disadvantages to be successful. Additionally, people will use every advantage they have in order to obtain the same resources that you need, so it is best that you use every advantage that you have.
This is an incredibly honest video. I notice a phenomenon within smart individuals that I would like to share: it seems those of us with any amount of talent/intelligence suffer from imposture syndrome while those with less talent often exaggerate their claims of ability (dunning-Kruger effect). The fact that you can reflect upon yourself in this honest way is a proof that deserve this space. We need more folks with your perspective to calmly explain their methodologies, and thought process as they go through engagements. My two cents ✌🏾
i agree but i dont think it is a issue. the difference between a skilled individual and a dumbass is that the skilled one can make things happen. it might not pay you more in the moment but there is a compounding effect to it
@@webentwicklungmitrobinspan6935 I’ll offer a counter perspective here: the less intelligent person will be more likely to be successful since they are more likely to be focused on executing on their idea whether good or bad where as an intelligent individual will often self sabotage by overthinking, procrastinating, finding some new rabbit hole to go down etc.
@@AnalyticalReckoner maybe you are afraid of failures or not knowing something when you are tasked to do it? had the same feelings before i startet working as a professional in software development. the thing is that they are too many frameworks, plugins, programming languages, new trends out there to know everything. it helped me to specialize in something trivial first before expanding, this way i was useful in a team early on, doing work the good guys did not want to do, like html and css stuff and so on and from this point i kept adding to it. real world practice AND own projects was my way to go.
Oh, and as for meritocracy proper: I am always skeptical of them because it is very difficult to know what the merit one selecting for is exactly - as a security person, think of the "failure modes" of the social systems in question.
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You are not alone I have exactly the same though in fact I am very surprise you have the same mindset/profile as me, particular about being alone in a dark room studying things till you came out as ripper roo(crash bandicoot)
is programming underpayed for the skill you need? yes. but it does give something back and there is no limit to what one can do with it. be a continues learning machine and have a open mind for the real world.
There definitely is a limit though. Skill based limits, time based limits and more. Realistically, if you want to accomplish the most you can, the best way to do that is to have the money to hire other people to do it for you. It's why money needs to be a focus.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. It is not easy to admit to feelings we typically frown upon, especially in public! But the only way to develop is to see there is room to improve. Personally, I hope I never stop growing and developing. I want to keep learning, and the more I learn, the more I know there is to learn. I guess my goal is to be as dumb as possible. Anyway, good video. Keep it up!
At 9:44 I think I disagree here. Everyone should be allowed to live how they want. If someone wants to be "fuck work-life balance" they should be able to. I don't think that's toxic, that's just how some people spend their time. It really comes down to if you're forced into doing that, which is not ok. Maybe I'm committing a strawman here idk but personally, I also spend way more time doing nerd things and learning new technologies than I do building personal relationships. I have a set of friends I socialize with periodically and am very happy with my own version of work-life balance.
I think the issue is that some people can't do that, because of health reasons or having kids or whatever, and if companies expect that, they're essentially discriminating against people based on factors outside of the job, which often include religious reasons (for instance, devout christians can't work on Sundays, and devout Jews can't work late on Fridays).
the issue would be if every company expects a worker that doesnt care about work-life balance, creating a toxic market environment where you cant find jobs that suit your pace
@@LeonoraTindall, what do you mean by ‘expect’? Even if a company doesn’t expect it, throws people after eight hours in the office and does not provide remote access just to make sure that people don’t work over 40 hours a week, if one person is willing to spend all their free time improving their skill they will naturally be better employees than someone who doesn’t do that. As a result, they will get higher salary, get promoted faster etc. There’s no discrimination there.
The statement he said was that he does not want to forbid this and he values this, but he does not want to establish a society which forces people into this since it can be a toxic lifestyle
"f*ck work life balance! I don't want to go outside!" That's what I used to say too. Then my health said, "f*ck this! You need to get outside!"... I know how you feel, but it can catch up with you. I used to pull all nighters pretty regularly to crack different things. It was easier in college, for sure. It is pretty awesome digging into problems and solving things, for sure. At least you have your channel as something else to do.
in general, when we talk about computer hacking we are talking about accessing systems without having legitimate access to it. In some form, having success without legitimately deserving it, could be considered social hacking. You could access a certain computer if you work your way through the expected steps. But hackers do things the unusual way and if getting success is expected by merit, then real hackers must achieve success without any merit!
Lots of good things. Personally, I think its important to celebrate other people accomplishing their goals, without immediately jumping in to compare them with yourself or compare them with others. IMO social media is super toxic, so the fact that you are able to find any sort of balance between being kind to others and being a public figure is a feat in itself.
I agree with your broad point that meritocracy is an ideal we fail to live up to and so you shouldn't consider all your success to be a result of hard work. However, when you said it's not your place to judge others merit, I think you missed the mark. You have a moral obligation to consciously judge people based on their merit, character, etc... because if you don't you will unconsciously judge people based on stereotypes, mental heuristics, etc... There is no option not to judge because that would require you not to judge even yourself which is incredibly toxic. You cannot improve without judging yourself (ideally in comparison to your past self), and as soon as you have a mental model of what you should be, you will judge others based on this model consciously or unconsciously. So not only do you have a moral obligation to judge others based on their merit, character, etc... you have a moral obligation to judge yourself in the same way, and the difficulty and intractability of doing this perfectly is in no way a justification not to try.
Man this video is awesome! You've always been an inspirational hero to me, also in the times where you didn't show your face. However, I like the way of playing the social media game a little bit. You're just a cool nice dude, why not show the world who you are? Keep it real and be yourself! Liebe Grüße 😁
Yep there are people out there that work cleaner jobs , and go geeky as a hobby...when its a passion sometimes you just dont want to deal with it as you would with a regular 9 to 5 job
So your channel is successful to the real nerds like the ones aspiring and working hard to find the next 0 day. I personally haven't experienced anything I could call racism but I think I am accepted a little more because of 16 years of military service. The networking part is definitely real. I've met people who have the high paying "consulting" jobs but could not look at network traffic and identify a sqli attack.
Somehow I'm reminded of the people who think the Nobel Prizes, the Fields Medals, etc. are in a way bad for their fields because (except when an organization wins the Peace Prize, which sometimes happens) they make it look like that the fields are made of isolated individuals rather than social systems that support (even by crazy and sometimes unfair criticisms).
I disagree a bit on the networking vs skills when hiring people. The trick is that people tend to form friendships with "similar people". If a very strong developer recommends someone, it's very likely that this person is also a strong developer. Partly just because they're friends, and also partly because you might "lose face" if you recommend someone who is not very good. So in the end it's just a different way to achieve the same goal - to hire a good person, just instead of doing some technical tests/interviews (which are always flawed anyway), you take a more psychological approach.
I want agree about poor recommendations possibly hurting your reputation, driving recommendation quality. But is it actually true? Will you be held accountable for your recommendations and will it have consequences for you? Moreover, this logic ('similar people') has some gaping holes, among others, nepotism...
I would say in reality, networking is more like doing a favor for someone. For example: the son/daughter of a friend or good customer gets a job at your company, no matter the skill.
@@manuelhatzl8927 Have you ever seen anything like that in a tech company for some engineering position? I haven't. If anything, recommendation simply allows candidate to skip the initial phone screening and that's it. They still have to pass the normal interview process.
@@userou-ig1ze I would not recommend someone who I don't think is a good fit :) Also statistics show that recommended candidates generally are better than average candidate. On top of that it's often the only reasonable way to hire senior engineers, because they're generally not "on the market".
@@Pharisaeus I have and for me it seems as if it happens more often, the higher up you go in management positions Also internships are big with networking
I agree with most of the things you say in this video. I've been feeling bad about spending entire days playing videogames instead of working on my cybersec background and I don't think it should be that way. The fact that people in this field are so competitive and are willing to give away most of their free time to work harder makes it feel like you will only succeed if you do so too, which is disgusting.
@@gitgudnga I think what they're saying is that you shouldn't need to make sacrifices in order to get ahead. there's nothing wrong with hard work, but having to give up the things that are important to you shouldn't be necessary
If you are jealous, imagine a nobody like me and many others? lol... btw talk about cognitive dissonance: I love learning new things and be all nerdy like you talked about, but at the same time I dont feel the things I learn will be helpful in my life so I lose interest fast, but at the same time I feel I should be learning just so that I keep up with whats out there and keep my options opened...
Love you, you've spoken the absolute Truth! I feel kinda disgusted when I see people call themselves developers or names they've not yet truly achieved and the society buys their mediocrity, but it's reality...sucks
when i was a teenager, i live the hacking life. the hacking bible told me to read in order to hack. i dont understand it until im doing master and after that phd. go through the struggle u mention. In the industry, you dont have to be so technical geek. Just enough to do the job. As i get older, cant involve with every project. i pick one or two that im interested and full send.
He speaks about hacker culture but gives general IT examples I feel unlike most other walks of life IT is more meritocratic cos if you cant do the work it shows. Yeah getting the initial opportunity is something but after you blow up several projects no one will hire you
From my and experience of my friends I don't feel like IT is that meritocratic. I've seen some horrible code, and I heard some horror stories about people who can barely code working on fairly complex projects.
1) Why did you blow up several projects? Is probably the more honest question to ask and not to blame the industry for. 2) I have seen such bad and messy code and people who should never work as developers getting jobs after 3 months of training... There is no other industry where you can get that quick a job where you actually need some knowledge of that your doing.
Ok I did not sub this channel for this video, but I am glad I did. You have raised an awesome topic here. Kudos man. Also, this is a thing for the whole IT world, and not necessarily security only.
10:35 Why is it really toxic tho? Sure, its okay if you dont really "love" or "live" programming. But you do, and I do, and many other people do too, and I think that is worth something. Its toxic because people who don't want to live this way say its an "unfair expectation" - but thats just how life is, its not fair. I don't go around complaining that I have low chances of being hired as a Model. If someone dedicates their life to perfecting their skills at something (and is actually good at it) they are propably superior at that skill.
Maybe "unhealthy" can be a better word. You dont lose much if you spare 8 hours everyday instead of 16 hours for this stuff. But I understand that it can be hard to control yourself.
@@fxshlein +you gain a healthy lifestyle. Sometimes you shouldnt do the stuff you want to if it harms you. Extremes of everything are bad, even of the best things. If you do too much sport, you are more likely to have a heart attack when you are old; if you be too polite, people will make you their dog; you donate too much, you will become poor. Likewise, too much computer stuff will harm you. Either physically or mentally. You may not observe the effects immediately. Smokers dont die after smoking their first cigarette.
@@fxshlein If you are experienced with computers, you already know that google is the answer to all your questions. Here's one of the countless links you can find: www.google.com/amp/s/www.activehealth.sg/read/screen-time/what-are-the-negative-side-effects-of-too-much-screen-time%3fhs_amp=true
Chapter 2 is easy! When you love hacking away for hours on a problem, than it’s a hobby and it’s not toxic! I used to love it as a kid, learning all I could on the C64. Now I just can’t be bothered and just do 32 hours a week. And still out perform most wage slaves, because as a freelance external You constantly have to justify your 80-100 euro an hour fee. Some people love to go to the beach to relax other dwell in a basement and research things. That’s to each their own.
Schönes aber auch nachdenkliches Video. Es zeichnet dich aus, dass du in deinen nicht-technischen Videos mal authentisch ein wenig über deinen eigenen Werdegang und dies und das drum herum erzählst und ein bisschen über den Tellerrand schaust bzw. reflektierst.
Honesty is not wrong, it's your feeling that you conveyed and that's what practically happening. Most of them among safe zones in creating content, you are taking one step forward. Keep rocking, we will be there to support you.
Hi bro, we're in a community where all successful genius creative guys work in shadow fbi hackers famous hackers all works in shadow for this reason you though you're a public person so you are not succes creati ... However there is some non public guys arent creative ....so u got it.
I feel like racism and sexism isn't a real issue tbh, people blame a lot on that but they are just making it worse. You said you have been living in berlin and thats like the least place i would like to be in regards to that. It feels like all those tolerant people don't even look at your actual personality or skills anymore, they just want to be as tolerant as possible and are indirectly racist/sexist just becuase they want to fulfill a quota.
excatly... he is just spouting woke crap for some reason. I like his videos but wow this is an eye opener. Hes infected with wokeness lol and now hates his white self and pitys himself for being white and privaliged in a white country. Sad tbh.
Used to be, now there's a clear and demonstrable bias *against* AWM candidates in an admirable but ultimately misguided effort to "balance the playing field". Tech has caved to social pressures, CRT, and their HR/D&I departments and the cracks are starting to show, FAANG is going to be broken into pieces. Anonymity and decentralization is the future, only your ideas matter.
@@LeonoraTindall you’re the one talking out of your ass. I get emails for “diversity candidates only” programs all the time from tech companies. For example, just the other day I got one from Google - “The Building Opportunities for Leadership and Development (BOLD) Internship Program is a paid summer internship for rising undergraduate seniors that are interested in working in technology and full-time opportunities at Google. We’ve designed our program to expose historically underrepresented students in this field to career opportunities in the industry. Students from all schools, and students who identify with a group that is historically underrepresented in the technology industry, including but not limited to Black, Hispanic, Native American, students with disabilities, and veterans are encouraged to apply.” I.e. whites and Asians need not apply. Directly from careers.google.com/programs/bold/ You must be living under a rock.
@@mina86 I'm not here to tell you that no discrimination exists against white people, Asians, or men, but if you actually think that it's more difficult to get a job in software these days as a man than as a women, well, your experience is very different from mine and the people I know, and is not statistically supported as being the experience of the population.
I was very worried posting my last video, because I was honest and said: "I harshly judge the success of others" and that "I'm jealous of them".
But I didn't even consider, that people would take this video as some kind of political ideology and only focus on a small comment.
This video was not even meant to be political. So if you only focus on this one small part of the video, no wonder you don't understand any of my technical videos lol
Taking a condescending tone to an issue that genuinely affects POC and queer people is whitesplaining at its finest. Just because someone has a mild disagreement with your conclusions does not imply that they don't understand all of your tech videos.
owned lol
@@LeonoraTindall Excuse me? How is being disrespectful "owning" anyone? We have to suffer silent mental harassment from our families and colleagues at work because of what you do when you speak on our behalf. I've personally come from an extremely poor background, studied in restaurants and managed to pass exams and get a well paying job.
@Virtual Self this was not the point of the video. It was a small comment on the side. You make the video political. I was worried posting this video because I honestly shared that I'm jealous of the success of others, and that I judge other people. I would have never thought that such a small part becomes the focus of the video.
@@prakashdewan5679 let's talk about this. hit me up on discord or google hangout or so, and you explain your comment to me. Because I don't understand it.
One thing I learned the hard way is, that filling out excel sheets pays way more than reversing binaries.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice one dude ahhahahaha xD
@@LegitZero what?
@@SamualN what do u mean by what?
@@LegitZero trying to work out if your comment is sarcasm or genuine
@@SamualN i guess if you paid attention to the main comment i laughed on it might hint to sarcasm :D
"Fuck work-life balance, I don't want to go outside!"
relatable
i aint smart enough to stay indoors for that long as i wont learn as much as the next guy i prefer creative thinking rather than gaining knowledge
@Azhar Gana when everyone is an alien, no one is. See if there are people interested in the same stuff as you and try to make friends with them - 13 is too young to be watching computer science videos during recess 🥺
@azhargana2651It is entirely unfair to you that you are made to feel this way. There is nothing alien about being interested into something specific. I just hope that you aren't feeling lonely because of this...
I hope that wherever you go you find someone who will be interested.
The IT sector isn't a meritocracy, its a popularity contest
Not just the IT sector, life in general... 😕
@Beep Boop The very unfortunate thing is that somehow a large portion of the population is willing to just pretend that it doesn't exist to justify why rich are rich and poor are poor to make the world fair in their minds.
Amen to this i had a fist full of certs no job guy that eats his boogers and got lost in a strait hallway passed me cuz dad knew soso who knew boss he was it
@hackR Why would he? I'm fairly popular in my area so it works out 😎
@hackR Its meant to be sarcastic. I also forgot the beginning of the video, its been a few months
your 'socializing' is this channel. Seriously, you are famous in the hacking world. You are teaching others and this gives you 'cred'. You run one of the best youtube channels around. You don't need to be 'the best', you have given all of us a window into your journey. This is something we can all relate to.
Keep up the great work.
Great topic. I grew up as a nerd, during university “evolved” into social nerd. Sometimes hiding my nerd but always at my core a nerd. Now at my senior work years no longer hiding my nerd. Be proud of yourself whoever you are. We are not one, we are diverse. Appreciate others input, learn from others views,make your own mind. Try to avoid heard mentality, we are not lamb.
This video was a bit of a rollercoaster. For the first part of the video, I was convinced I was about to have a disillusioning experience where a youtuber I followed more or less revealed themselves to have horrific levels of arrogance and a just world fallacy mindset.
Turns out the cold and blunt speech doesn't mean a uncaring/heartless person.
This video seemed like a neat look into someone's head. Someone who has introspection and actually cares.
I also kinda ironically was just thinking to myself, maybe I can survive and be ok not being half as good as this guy... Until reality hit and I remembered Im terrible at socializing and also don't have many demographic advantages going for me.
Addendum: Honestly, seeing a guy like this guy, who is a successful, and what I consider to be highly functional (as in very skilled/with high capacity) express opinions with thoughts that sound close to mind is nice because I always have self doubt that my opinions are based on my position of mediocrity despite the reasons I feel they have merit.
This is even worse in the creative field. Over 5 years working as a graphic designer and I can't even fill an entry job while people who just patch together free internet templates are getting my dream job.
It was the main reason why I decided to change careers and become a web developer instead (but I'm starting to see that there's no way out).
When you said that "meritocracy isn't real" and "that you hate this", you really took the words out of my mouth. For months I've been thinking: "fuck this, I didn't start coding to go outside and make fake friends". It sucks that we don't make the rules.
We are on the same boat, my man. I wish you all the best.
I guess this is the danger of thing being made "just a few clicks away". I must admit, though, that I use tools like Figma myself (be it with the blank page, I've never used the templates)
Thanks for being so honest.
I wish all people were to be more honest like this. Instead we have social media as a facade with only success stories that makes the grass on the other side seem neon green. And your own grass grey..
I really like how you speak from your heart. I didn't spend the time to think those things but you are so right on so many levels. BTW, just so you know, I am jealous of you :) but I really think you deserve every merit you are getting. Thank you for all your work!
This is so much relatable To many of us that it feels like we are living each others lives.
This video came at the perfect time for me! Just started a new IT internship that isn't what I expected and am so frustrated with these exact thoughts. I need to just let the whole merit/success association go and do what I enjoy for enjoyment and not expect a reward for it. Thanks LiveOverflow ❤️
This resonated with me very strongly.
Nigerian hacker here ^_^' Lost jobs because of the reputation of the country.
Your channel has really inspired me a lot, will keep trying.
some people in this comment section need to hear this: sometimes incompetent white guys get hired. they weren't trying to fill a white guy quota, but there are complicated factors in the hiring process. maybe if there was a video explaining the nuance and cognitive dissonance associated with meritocracy in the hiring process...
I’m a white guy who just got hired through networking. I mean, I do have insane skill, but its not like it mattered. I got hired only one the sole fact that I knew someone, they have no actual proof of my skills whatsoever. Feels weird.
@@AnonYmous-spyonmeplsthe whole industry from bottom to the top say, its not what you know its who you know. And with ai scanning of 1000s of resume I can see why. The hiring process is inefficient for most companies, so picking a friend is a lot easier and increases the stock value faster too 🤓
hey fabien, thank you very much for this video and intake on IT security jobs and meritocracy!
I value "merit" very much, in a way that I also judge myself very hard, and I observe that this behaviour is indeed toxic, and compromisses my own learning and psychological health. It's not an "on-off" switch, but this talk with you definetily helped towards a healthier way to deal with this "impostor syndrome" and gigantic pressure that i put myself through.
Thanks again, this talk really got through me.
Greetings from Brasil
man, i love he mention polar bear that actually exist in infosec twitter ... you know the one that drop windows 0day on 2019
dude, thanks for putting this out.
I first watched this 3 years ago, not remembering much of it though. At that time, I was a novice bug bounty hunter. Now I am an experienced BB hunter, I resonate with many things that he says, jealousy, not enough merit to deserve this kind of success, etc.
Thanks for sharing this one! I have to admit it's one of the best videos on your channel.
I disagree with the point that "it's not a meritocracy because most opportunities come from networking".
If I knew somebody was hiring, I wouldn't recommend anyone in my network just because I'm friends with them. They have to be good at what they do, and have earned that "merit", for me to consider recommending them.
Nobody is going to risk their own reputation to recommend a bad/average-at-best developer. If someone doesn't have a network of past colleagues / acquaintances that know they're a good worker, they can't expect anyone to recommend them to potential employers - that's something that is earned. Hence, you probably earned your friend recommending you to a company (you're a good enough human being to be his friend, and a good enough developer that he would risk his reputation to recommend you).
Good point, theres some room for subjectivity though. You could be iq 90 recomending a friend tht is iq 95 because you think your feiend is smarter and more qualified than you, but the job actually requires 120 iq. Then you have simps recomending women for jobs because they think they are hawt lol.
As one of the many people who are into doing this and want to do it as a living (or similar), it's what I think about all the time and it's highly demotivating. I don't know anyone and that limits my options so much. People will tell me that it's my fault and it is because I know that success is more than just having knowledge and skills but.. idk maybe it is our fault if we don't do something else.
Your goals in part 3 are exactly how I ended up here btw --- totally derailed from working on a project using your videos in part for technical reference but then I decided I wanted to binge your channel like it was TV last night (derailed because i didn't watch any of the videos i was supposed to lol--no regerts tho and here's why---in long post format).
It's not easy to articulate so forgive me here; your combination of enthusiasm, humility, and critical nature not only makes the information easier to absorb but your personality deeply humanizes it on the way. Humanizing computer science is an art that I *could* say really elegant things about because it's a topic that's been haunting me but I'm haunted so this ain't pretty. I'm at whole-identity-crisis level as I step into my very first Real Tech Job next week as a 30 y/o woman who somehow... missed the boat despite being on it the whole time? I've been iconoclastically an internet nerd forever and somehow missed this thing (the back end) that would go from spark to supernova in me. I guess no one ever once included and encouraged and related computer *science* to me? Other than Lego and STEM gospel in public schools that wished I liked math more. No one ever treated it like art but you do and you're the first I've ever seen with a platform that uses it really well at that.
OK---- one guy eventually did try and he showed me Mike Judge's Silicon Valley but I argued that I didn't have the time or money to train for a third job and I was lucky enough to have just landed a gig in an office finally. For so long the harder I worked the less time and money I seemed to have --- the people around me didn't really make theirs themselves and weren't about to just give me any so I started hacking all of my problems. I was doing everything I could to break into the tools around me to compensate for what I couldn't achieve or buy -- my plants were watering themselves, I finally made a nice tablet out of Bezos which helped me Frankenstein a smarthome, and I had officially traded my social life for a raspberry pi that could pretty much help me do literally anything. Bless FOSS. My job went nuts in the ways small businesses can and after enough years of nearly dying of stress for love I've got this new chance to actually get paid. And so should you --- because when I was cooling down enjoying my personal time to try and aggressively hack into my bf's outdated vizio TV (its apparently 3D but can't run netflix my ass) I crossed wires with some Def Con Dads who were laughing that my side-side project was trying to hack into this mobile mmo I got sucked into and they sent me your "STOP WASTING YOUR TIME" video and it was the first time I felt represented in ages, especially in this realm. I'm hype. I showed it to the two other people who sometimes hang out in my basement with me -- it improved our relationships. I shared your missing no. ones and it bridged the technical divide for some people in a way that is absolutely important and profound while also really helpin me crack this apk. They would have never thought about these things without your fun and artful approach that cares about the journey and not just the math. But for that reason we kind of need you to stay employed with it and comfortable because I need a bridge so I can be the troll underneath of it that I was always meant to be.
Tl;dr: Your not measuring that the real weight of your merit in this community is that you can also carry us outside of this community. FR it's like you, Mr. Robot, and Network Chuck and he might actually be a Cisco robot shill sent to brainwash fresh young white guys. Silicon Valley was hella important for me as an outsider learning about the business parts but they had to really learn those lines to not fuck em up and I haven't watched the creepy Hulu show but I doubt it's gonna help me troubleshoot this burpsuite proxy in an Android 11 emulator or root my similarly plagued old pixel 2. And it's definitely not gonna write the python script I need to do to automate all these damn excel macros my old job really relies on but doesn't understand at all.
thank you for sharing your thoughts and attempting to address this stigma
This is so relatable, I really appreciate the honesty, respect!!!
Very well put. I’m a PhD student in Germany, and it baffles me to find out even in the scientific/academic world meritocracy does not rule. Having an influential and well connected PI will triple your chances of getting a paper accepted or an being invited to give a talk somewhere.
Thank for putting this out there. The truth is that usually the people that dedicate themselves completely to what they do are the ones that build great things, but this naturally comes at a cost. That's just how the world works, and it's up to each one of us to choose what we want for ourselves.
Really good video Florian. I just realized I have some of that cognitive dissonance as well. You presented it in a very well structured manner, thanks!
I like this kind of introspective view of your own skills and success and how you got there compared to others. I especially enjoyed that LiveOverflow has a well-rounded view of the world and realizes that not all peoples are afforded the same opportunities. So while we may think that skills and hardwork alone matters, other human factors are also at play. In fact, in any facet of life, no matter what career you pursue, there will always be that human factor that creates a bias for how people are selected for that career. Skills and your own merits is not always the determining factor.
Hi! I just wanted to say that. I appreciate you talking this openly with your own opinion, even though I might not agree with everything
You say you didn't intend this video to be political, but this is what actual politics is about: it's not about elections, it's about how can we improve our society. Elections are just a very small part of it. Most of our time is spent at work where we don't have any power, we are at the mercy of the bosses which are at the mercy of the owners (or major shareholders) of the business. And that's when we can get a job, which is inaccessible to many for reasons beyond their control.
It all comes down to freedom: I may want to nerd out for 60 hours a week for a couple of weeks and next month I may want to help people or I want to not do anything. But society as it's structured right now doesn't allow me to choose. I either give most of my time to a business all year round, or I have no means to pursue my own interests. Passionate hobbies of mine turn into things I hate and burn me out because of this dichotomy forced onto most of us.
This is the reason everybody should know about worker cooperatives and workplace democracy, so we can move society towards a future where we are all much more free, and merit only unlocks extras, such as being the expert voice of some topic.
By the way, the word "meritocracy" was coined as a satirical term, it was not meant to be a system worth pursuing.
hell yeah
Yes you are right. Without ideals though we would absolutely burnout and probably commit deletion. Without the ideal of meritocracy, we would eventually all change our gender and sexual orientation and race and job title and work experience just to get the bag. The bankers at the top dont want too much expansion (improvement) among the peasants.
Thanx for your honesty in this video. My take is that life is not fair and it never will be fair. People have to rise over their disadvantages to be successful. Additionally, people will use every advantage they have in order to obtain the same resources that you need, so it is best that you use every advantage that you have.
Aka training sociopaths
It only took Issac Newton one summer... Just saying
He was also persecuted by the church
@@Kylanto That was Galileo
But he don't know how to use netcat tho💥
It took Newton one pandemic
This is an incredibly honest video. I notice a phenomenon within smart individuals that I would like to share: it seems those of us with any amount of talent/intelligence suffer from imposture syndrome while those with less talent often exaggerate their claims of ability (dunning-Kruger effect). The fact that you can reflect upon yourself in this honest way is a proof that deserve this space. We need more folks with your perspective to calmly explain their methodologies, and thought process as they go through engagements. My two cents ✌🏾
I certainly have imposter syndrome. I just got my A+ cert but I struggle with feeling like I succeeded.
i agree but i dont think it is a issue.
the difference between a skilled individual and a dumbass is that the skilled one can make things happen.
it might not pay you more in the moment but there is a compounding effect to it
@@webentwicklungmitrobinspan6935 I’ll offer a counter perspective here: the less intelligent person will be more likely to be successful since they are more likely to be focused on executing on their idea whether good or bad where as an intelligent individual will often self sabotage by overthinking, procrastinating, finding some new rabbit hole to go down etc.
@@AnalyticalReckoner maybe you are afraid of failures or not knowing something when you are tasked to do it?
had the same feelings before i startet working as a professional in software development.
the thing is that they are too many frameworks, plugins, programming languages, new trends out there to know everything.
it helped me to specialize in something trivial first before expanding, this way i was useful in a team early on, doing work the good guys did not want to do, like html and css stuff and so on and from this point i kept adding to it.
real world practice AND own projects was my way to go.
What made you put your thoughts out there. What made you make this video?
Oh, and as for meritocracy proper: I am always skeptical of them because it is very difficult to know what the merit one selecting for is exactly - as a security person, think of the "failure modes" of the social systems in question.
This video hit me in the feels. Very smart.
Nice video . However , despite the harsh economy caused by Covid 19 , it's a responsibility on everyone to utilize opportunities so as to maintain financial sustainability .
It's obvious that no one should put their eggs in one basket . Diversification of various sources of income is the first freedom to be achieved by all .
I have secured financial freedom myself investing in bonds , equities , EFT's and some digital currencies .
I wanted to invest more in Crypto but I got caught up in the dip so bad so I had to dump
After the dip in price of Cryptocurrency from a higher level, some traders and investors view this as an advantageous time to buy and invest more . This yields more value and profit as time goes on
Cryptocurrency is a juicy investement but transfering holding to a professional to trade is more ideal because of expertise and experience .
You are not alone I have exactly the same though in fact I am very surprise you have the same mindset/profile as me, particular about being alone in a dark room studying things till you came out as ripper roo(crash bandicoot)
Much appreciate the words, so real
is programming underpayed for the skill you need? yes.
but it does give something back and there is no limit to what one can do with it.
be a continues learning machine and have a open mind for the real world.
There definitely is a limit though.
Skill based limits, time based limits and more.
Realistically, if you want to accomplish the most you can, the best way to do that is to have the money to hire other people to do it for you. It's why money needs to be a focus.
Thanks for putting this out there, I was also strugling with similar thoughts/feelings all through this last month.
Thank you for your honesty. I share the dissonance and all points are very relatable
Thank you for sharing your perspective. It is not easy to admit to feelings we typically frown upon, especially in public! But the only way to develop is to see there is room to improve. Personally, I hope I never stop growing and developing. I want to keep learning, and the more I learn, the more I know there is to learn. I guess my goal is to be as dumb as possible. Anyway, good video. Keep it up!
Really loved this video and it's a very important one to make.
At 9:44 I think I disagree here. Everyone should be allowed to live how they want. If someone wants to be "fuck work-life balance" they should be able to. I don't think that's toxic, that's just how some people spend their time. It really comes down to if you're forced into doing that, which is not ok. Maybe I'm committing a strawman here idk but personally, I also spend way more time doing nerd things and learning new technologies than I do building personal relationships. I have a set of friends I socialize with periodically and am very happy with my own version of work-life balance.
I think the issue is that some people can't do that, because of health reasons or having kids or whatever, and if companies expect that, they're essentially discriminating against people based on factors outside of the job, which often include religious reasons (for instance, devout christians can't work on Sundays, and devout Jews can't work late on Fridays).
the issue would be if every company expects a worker that doesnt care about work-life balance, creating a toxic market environment where you cant find jobs that suit your pace
@@LeonoraTindall, what do you mean by ‘expect’? Even if a company doesn’t expect it, throws people after eight hours in the office and does not provide remote access just to make sure that people don’t work over 40 hours a week, if one person is willing to spend all their free time improving their skill they will naturally be better employees than someone who doesn’t do that. As a result, they will get higher salary, get promoted faster etc. There’s no discrimination there.
@@renejotas re-read what I said.
The statement he said was that he does not want to forbid this and he values this, but he does not want to establish a society which forces people into this since it can be a toxic lifestyle
Im scared I feel exactly the same way with that "cognitive dissonance" o.o. Thank you for making some of us not feel that weird.
"f*ck work life balance! I don't want to go outside!" That's what I used to say too. Then my health said, "f*ck this! You need to get outside!"... I know how you feel, but it can catch up with you. I used to pull all nighters pretty regularly to crack different things. It was easier in college, for sure. It is pretty awesome digging into problems and solving things, for sure. At least you have your channel as something else to do.
This video hit home hard. Thank you for this.
in general, when we talk about computer hacking we are talking about accessing systems without having legitimate access to it. In some form, having success without legitimately deserving it, could be considered social hacking. You could access a certain computer if you work your way through the expected steps. But hackers do things the unusual way and if getting success is expected by merit, then real hackers must achieve success without any merit!
i love the transparency
I really appreciate your message and perspective on this man
Lots of good things. Personally, I think its important to celebrate other people accomplishing their goals, without immediately jumping in to compare them with yourself or compare them with others. IMO social media is super toxic, so the fact that you are able to find any sort of balance between being kind to others and being a public figure is a feat in itself.
Life is embracing contradiction
I agree with your broad point that meritocracy is an ideal we fail to live up to and so you shouldn't consider all your success to be a result of hard work.
However, when you said it's not your place to judge others merit, I think you missed the mark. You have a moral obligation to consciously judge people based on their merit, character, etc... because if you don't you will unconsciously judge people based on stereotypes, mental heuristics, etc...
There is no option not to judge because that would require you not to judge even yourself which is incredibly toxic. You cannot improve without judging yourself (ideally in comparison to your past self), and as soon as you have a mental model of what you should be, you will judge others based on this model consciously or unconsciously.
So not only do you have a moral obligation to judge others based on their merit, character, etc... you have a moral obligation to judge yourself in the same way, and the difficulty and intractability of doing this perfectly is in no way a justification not to try.
Right, universalism is the enemy of improvement
I have watched the video I love what you said 10 minutes in, solid video!
This was a really good video.
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Great insights :)
Damn, that's a powerful video
Man this video is awesome! You've always been an inspirational hero to me, also in the times where you didn't show your face. However, I like the way of playing the social media game a little bit. You're just a cool nice dude, why not show the world who you are? Keep it real and be yourself! Liebe Grüße 😁
You're awesome. Keep up the good work!
good video man!
Hope you don't read the comments too much, they're doing a hell of a job complementing some of the themes in the video
Yep there are people out there that work cleaner jobs , and go geeky as a hobby...when its a passion sometimes you just dont want to deal with it as you would with a regular 9 to 5 job
Smoke sellers are everywhere but in cybersecurity there is a plague
So your channel is successful to the real nerds like the ones aspiring and working hard to find the next 0 day. I personally haven't experienced anything I could call racism but I think I am accepted a little more because of 16 years of military service. The networking part is definitely real. I've met people who have the high paying "consulting" jobs but could not look at network traffic and identify a sqli attack.
Somehow I'm reminded of the people who think the Nobel Prizes, the Fields Medals, etc. are in a way bad for their fields because (except when an organization wins the Peace Prize, which sometimes happens) they make it look like that the fields are made of isolated individuals rather than social systems that support (even by crazy and sometimes unfair criticisms).
I believe you have come into your own and have much merit. What do you think? Do you still feel and think this way?
Bravo!
Brilliant.
I disagree a bit on the networking vs skills when hiring people. The trick is that people tend to form friendships with "similar people". If a very strong developer recommends someone, it's very likely that this person is also a strong developer. Partly just because they're friends, and also partly because you might "lose face" if you recommend someone who is not very good. So in the end it's just a different way to achieve the same goal - to hire a good person, just instead of doing some technical tests/interviews (which are always flawed anyway), you take a more psychological approach.
I want agree about poor recommendations possibly hurting your reputation, driving recommendation quality. But is it actually true? Will you be held accountable for your recommendations and will it have consequences for you? Moreover, this logic ('similar people') has some gaping holes, among others, nepotism...
I would say in reality, networking is more like doing a favor for someone. For example: the son/daughter of a friend or good customer gets a job at your company, no matter the skill.
@@manuelhatzl8927 Have you ever seen anything like that in a tech company for some engineering position? I haven't. If anything, recommendation simply allows candidate to skip the initial phone screening and that's it. They still have to pass the normal interview process.
@@userou-ig1ze I would not recommend someone who I don't think is a good fit :) Also statistics show that recommended candidates generally are better than average candidate. On top of that it's often the only reasonable way to hire senior engineers, because they're generally not "on the market".
@@Pharisaeus I have and for me it seems as if it happens more often, the higher up you go in management positions
Also internships are big with networking
You’re awesome dude.
I agree with most of the things you say in this video. I've been feeling bad about spending entire days playing videogames instead of working on my cybersec background and I don't think it should be that way.
The fact that people in this field are so competitive and are willing to give away most of their free time to work harder makes it feel like you will only succeed if you do so too, which is disgusting.
how is it disgusting working hard to achieve an objective u definitely dont have to take important family time but u have to work hard
@@gitgudnga They didn't say that. You imagined that they did.
@@BeefIngot they said its disgusting to give a way free time
@@gitgudnga I think what they're saying is that you shouldn't need to make sacrifices in order to get ahead. there's nothing wrong with hard work, but having to give up the things that are important to you shouldn't be necessary
It's great if you are a skilled basement nerd but if you can't communicate your ideas or work as part of a team it will only get you so far
Maybe when recruiters say they need people with "soft skills" they actually mean people who can articulately speak english 😅
If you are jealous, imagine a nobody like me and many others? lol... btw talk about cognitive dissonance: I love learning new things and be all nerdy like you talked about, but at the same time I dont feel the things I learn will be helpful in my life so I lose interest fast, but at the same time I feel I should be learning just so that I keep up with whats out there and keep my options opened...
Great thoughts, man. Keep going!
Love you, you've spoken the absolute Truth! I feel kinda disgusted when I see people call themselves developers or names they've not yet truly achieved and the society buys their mediocrity, but it's reality...sucks
Society is managed by sociopaths, so it kind of makes sense
Well said!
when i was a teenager, i live the hacking life. the hacking bible told me to read in order to hack. i dont understand it until im doing master and after that phd.
go through the struggle u mention. In the industry, you dont have to be so technical geek. Just enough to do the job.
As i get older, cant involve with every project. i pick one or two that im interested and full send.
"could be a 20 year old chad, a 50 year old woman or a polar bear" 💛
He speaks about hacker culture but gives general IT examples
I feel unlike most other walks of life IT is more meritocratic cos if you cant do the work it shows.
Yeah getting the initial opportunity is something but after you blow up several projects no one will hire you
From my and experience of my friends I don't feel like IT is that meritocratic. I've seen some horrible code, and I heard some horror stories about people who can barely code working on fairly complex projects.
1) Why did you blow up several projects? Is probably the more honest question to ask and not to blame the industry for.
2) I have seen such bad and messy code and people who should never work as developers getting jobs after 3 months of training... There is no other industry where you can get that quick a job where you actually need some knowledge of that your doing.
Not in my experience. I worked with so many high-paid, influential people in the past that have very little expertise in their field.
@@MichaelLazarski I have never blown up any code. I am very competent at what I do. and yes there are people less skilled than me getting better pay
Well said.
Ok I did not sub this channel for this video, but I am glad I did. You have raised an awesome topic here. Kudos man. Also, this is a thing for the whole IT world, and not necessarily security only.
10:35 Why is it really toxic tho? Sure, its okay if you dont really "love" or "live" programming. But you do, and I do, and many other people do too, and I think that is worth something. Its toxic because people who don't want to live this way say its an "unfair expectation" - but thats just how life is, its not fair. I don't go around complaining that I have low chances of being hired as a Model. If someone dedicates their life to perfecting their skills at something (and is actually good at it) they are propably superior at that skill.
Maybe "unhealthy" can be a better word. You dont lose much if you spare 8 hours everyday instead of 16 hours for this stuff. But I understand that it can be hard to control yourself.
@@aim2986 I would lose 8 hours of fun and gain 8 hours of not doing the stuff I actually want to do.
@@fxshlein +you gain a healthy lifestyle. Sometimes you shouldnt do the stuff you want to if it harms you. Extremes of everything are bad, even of the best things. If you do too much sport, you are more likely to have a heart attack when you are old; if you be too polite, people will make you their dog; you donate too much, you will become poor. Likewise, too much computer stuff will harm you. Either physically or mentally. You may not observe the effects immediately. Smokers dont die after smoking their first cigarette.
@@aim2986 How does it harm me?
@@fxshlein If you are experienced with computers, you already know that google is the answer to all your questions. Here's one of the countless links you can find: www.google.com/amp/s/www.activehealth.sg/read/screen-time/what-are-the-negative-side-effects-of-too-much-screen-time%3fhs_amp=true
This video speaks the truth. Everyone who disagrees has no concept of how the world actually works.
So @liveoverflow , with all that in mind, who are your Top 5 mentors for technical ability?
in order to save it, capitalism needs to immutably link the benefit to mankind with wealth generation.
agree
Chapter 2 is easy! When you love hacking away for hours on a problem, than it’s a hobby and it’s not toxic! I used to love it as a kid, learning all I could on the C64. Now I just can’t be bothered and just do 32 hours a week. And still out perform most wage slaves, because as a freelance external You constantly have to justify your 80-100 euro an hour fee. Some people love to go to the beach to relax other dwell in a basement and research things. That’s to each their own.
Schönes aber auch nachdenkliches Video. Es zeichnet dich aus, dass du in deinen nicht-technischen Videos mal authentisch ein wenig über deinen eigenen Werdegang und dies und das drum herum erzählst und ein bisschen über den Tellerrand schaust bzw. reflektierst.
Honesty is not wrong, it's your feeling that you conveyed and that's what practically happening. Most of them among safe zones in creating content, you are taking one step forward. Keep rocking, we will be there to support you.
um, where i can find an article version please?
bravo
Das war gut 😂 „ fuck work-life-balance“
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Hi bro, we're in a community where all successful genius creative guys work in shadow fbi hackers famous hackers all works in shadow for this reason you though you're a public person so you are not succes creati ... However there is some non public guys arent creative ....so u got it.
I feel like racism and sexism isn't a real issue tbh, people blame a lot on that but they are just making it worse. You said you have been living in berlin and thats like the least place i would like to be in regards to that. It feels like all those tolerant people don't even look at your actual personality or skills anymore, they just want to be as tolerant as possible and are indirectly racist/sexist just becuase they want to fulfill a quota.
excatly... he is just spouting woke crap for some reason. I like his videos but wow this is an eye opener. Hes infected with wokeness lol and now hates his white self and pitys himself for being white and privaliged in a white country. Sad tbh.
That's funny... stacksmashing is still recommending you...
I came here because TH-cam said "stacksmashing viewers also watch LiveOverflow" ;)
Used to be, now there's a clear and demonstrable bias *against* AWM candidates in an admirable but ultimately misguided effort to "balance the playing field". Tech has caved to social pressures, CRT, and their HR/D&I departments and the cracks are starting to show, FAANG is going to be broken into pieces. Anonymity and decentralization is the future, only your ideas matter.
Yep exactly, have seen countless job hiring everyone except white and Asian males
@@eyeborg3148 if they say that you can (and should) sue them. If they don't say that, how do you know? I think you are talking out your ass.
@@LeonoraTindall you’re the one talking out of your ass. I get emails for “diversity candidates only” programs all the time from tech companies. For example, just the other day I got one from Google -
“The Building Opportunities for Leadership and Development (BOLD) Internship Program is a paid summer internship for rising undergraduate seniors that are interested in working in technology and full-time opportunities at Google. We’ve designed our program to expose historically underrepresented students in this field to career opportunities in the industry. Students from all schools, and students who identify with a group that is historically underrepresented in the technology industry, including but not limited to Black, Hispanic, Native American, students with disabilities, and veterans are encouraged to apply.”
I.e. whites and Asians need not apply. Directly from careers.google.com/programs/bold/
You must be living under a rock.
@@LeonoraTindall, let's not forget Harvard discriminating Asians.
@@mina86 I'm not here to tell you that no discrimination exists against white people, Asians, or men, but if you actually think that it's more difficult to get a job in software these days as a man than as a women, well, your experience is very different from mine and the people I know, and is not statistically supported as being the experience of the population.
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