Lol. Of course that's just another demonstration of the stupidity of the writers. 100% of babies put up for adoption are adopted, only children, as in no longer babies, who enter the system remain bouncing around in the system
No joke, I've went to Forspoken subreddit and their cope for the terrible writing was "you're too stupid to understand the genius writing" or "you're not in Frey's shoes so your choices/logic is much different than her". Gave me the worst headache I ever had.
Outside of the obvious/braindead “leave the bag” trope, what exactly was stopping Frey from just straight up leaving that night? If anything, the death threats would probably motivate me to grab a cab/Uber and at least get out of Manhattan asap. She had the money.
this happens multiple times "you should feel honored to be the child of a tanta!" uhmm beeotch why? all ive seen them do is murder and oppress their own people and rule with fear.
I kind of don’t blame them for losing attention to this drivel story. I never would’ve seen the story if it was for IH. Forget pirating it, I didn’t even want to spend the 3 minutes to google it
Also when they give characters knowledge and then forget they can use it before the player also gets said knowledge. Like, everyone at the the Cipal council knows about the demon, the war, the Sussy guy, and the bracelets, as they all witnessed it happen. So why is nobody explaining this to Frey at the trial and letting her be aware that she is being guided by a demon? Why isn't the guy just saying "she is controlled by the amogus guy, look, she has the bracelet"? Why is Auden even considering she can be helpful? And later on, why are they so happy to let her be guided by the demon? None of this information was a secret, why did it only become important after we find out about it?
The funny thing is that this was while she was sleeping, so they somehow presumed that she would wake up, walk to the window, read the message and die. Not jump out the window onto the FIRE ESCAPE because who would do that 😭
The most unrealistic part isn’t the fantasy world and dragon, its actually an abandoned building in Hell’s Kitchen having one theif squatter and not a minimum of twenty crackheads
You know you've got a likeable protagonist when the final boss calls her a "Purposeless, meaningless wretch" and you agree with him and want him to win.
Like the "angel" being stopped and foiled by five insane sorceresses, the whole game has been impeded and defeated by insanely stupid decisions. How poetic that was
Judge: "You'll be appointed a public defender. Your trial will be in approximately 6 months. In the meantime, you'll enjoy the hospitality of the New York City penal system." Frey: "B...but I'm the chosen one!"
@Dreckmal01 This, 100% My friend was the DM of our session, and his wife took none of the shit within character, played it as chaotic for chaos sake, and tried to summon a horse in every situation possible. And the DM did nothing because, it was his wife. It was like playing with poorly written Newgrounds animations that believe "random = comedy."
This is the only way anyone will experience the game. Two men photoshopped in; using their comedic timing and bewilderment to make it palatable. Also, I absolutely loved OneyPlays series on this. It was absolutely perfect for them and I hope the people will see them finish the game one day.
I just realized. The dead guy was studying the portals, trying to figure out what this mysterious phenomenon was, and the whole time their leaders were just creating them intentionally? Like, they could have just told him "yeah no that's us making those, don't waste your entire life trying to do scientific research on this".
@@robbert-janmerk6783 No, you have to remember, the mother had ALREADY gone to new york and gotten knocked up by some stranger at a bar before the fight with susdemon, and the corruption probably took at least a few weeks to even start kicking in, so even if that were the first time she made one (which is pretty doubtful, given I don't believe someone would just accidentally create a portal and immediately walk through it), she'd have had plenty of time to explain it to the man she was allegedly friends with
I love how despite cuff explicitly stating he is the one with the powers, and how every time they kill a tanta, it is clearly cuff who absorbs the power, when he turns on her she tries to cast a spell and goes "huh? MY powers are gone?" It turns whats meant to be a twist into me rolling my eyes at how brain dead and self centred she is to where she picks up a magic bracelet that teleports her, can cast magic, and absorbs God essence and still goes "huh, I thought I was the special one?"
It almost seems intentional that Frey is a self absorbed idiot, but no one really acknowledges it outside maybe the opening dialog between her and cuff.
Yeah like… I get if Frey doesn’t realize at first but after the adrenaline wears off you’d think she’d put two and two together! Every single player is definitely going “It was the cuff. It’s the cuff. The cuff is giving you powers- ITS THE FUCKING CUFF FREY”
Incidentally. That Judge probably ended up with some major PTSD and spent the rest of her life thinking she failed Frey, who either commited suicide or was murdered on the streets of New York. Like the last thing the judge knew. This clearly homeless child said "take my cat, and im gonna do the right thing" And then just disappeared out of existence.
@danielsurvivor1372 Because their last encounter had her in tears as she's giving away a cat she was caring for all this time? Because. Frey is clearly alone and homeless and sounded like a girl about to do something desperate and she was never seen by the Judge again? Keep in mind, that Judge has probably been helping her for a good portion of her life, if not her whole life and clearly cared about her... but instead of letting her know she was alright, Frey sent a message to her damn cat... animal... BRILLIANT STORYTELLING!
@@googleisevil8958or it could be that frey got whacked by the car thing and this whole magical non sense thing is her imagination, her dream to be in a magical world like Alice. That would make a whole lot more sense.
Its also the most cop out ending you can possibly write for a setting like this. Like cool, you have all this world building but it turns out its for bullshit - Alice in Wonderland, as amazing as the setting is, doesn't have any particularly deeper meaning beyond what you're looking at, so it makes sense it could be just a bizarre dream setting. or like Samurai Jack, where - as shitty as it is - killing Aku makes all timelines vanish, which is logically consistent.@@TG-wg4tw
I love that the game tries to deliver a 'You Matter' speech like anyone could rise to greatness and just kind of... FORGOT that Fray was literally the Chosen One born into power and nobility, like her becoming a big deal is because her mom was a sorcerer-queen? Not the message they thought they were sending.
"Anyone can be anything they want to be, provided they are born into a position of advanced privilege of an elite minority," is VERY realistic storytelling, so, there's that I guess. Brilliant writing turns out...?
@j0hnnyblade just like A LOT of fantasy chosen ones. It's hard to write likeable chosen ones since if they accept they are special then they are unlikeable assholes, and so most of the time they have to have them sort of speak like they are a regular person and that everyone else matters just as much when it is completely wrong.
It’s very common sadly. Look at bleach, one piece and Naruto. Naruto is the most obvious hypocrite with “wow, look at this loser. Can’t do shit. But anyone who tries hard enough can do anything!”
The character who was most adamant that Fray is not alone and that her life is worth living BETRAYED HER TRUST because he was a FUCKING DEMON THE ENTIRE TIME
Moral of the story: "If you're born into nobility, you can become whatever you want to be, despite your bad decisions in the past. You might even survive New York because of fate"
@@fringelordmoral of the story- when women are in charge of being gang leaders, judges, tauntas, weird city leaders, main character and more, things turn to shit. Just like wokeness!
I 100% have more sympathy for Sussus Amongus than for Frey. Like dude was summoned by some guys that wanted to fight some chicks and he gets broken apart and then is stuck with a bratty orphan as a companion when all he wants to do is his job.
Oh yeah, that I never understand. At the end she clearly can travel between worlds, yet she didn't even drop by to check on her cat (you know the one that she traded a bag of money for?) nor did she just say a few words to the only person who cared about her in America: the judge. I wouldn't blame the judge if she think Frey was gonna go off herself somewhere and probably very concerned right now. What a POS protag.
@@Svoorhout85 -Open scene on supermarket, day -2 young starving children are running out of the supermarket with apples in their hands, clearly malnourished -from out of screen: "Hey! Me thinks you didn't pay for those!" -Frey then enters the screen in front of the children, and immediately decapitates them because she does not condone theft -She then looks at the fallen apples, and puts her hand in the air, fingers wiggling as she says "Don't mind if I do!" -She then steals the apples and walks out of screen. -An uneaten apple rolls into screen, and into a sewer grate, ending the scene.
@@Beefyface I mean the lore for after earth is pretty damn bad too. Alltho in this generally the idea of 4 magical ladys that have specific purposes and they guard the dimension is all nice and i did like the the villain more than any of the main characters. They just really dropped the ball on the very unlikeable protagonist.
@@theotv5522 To be fair most stories are written that way, the problem is when the writer doesn't reread or adjust the story as needed to make sure the motives and dialog make sense. Which Forspoken was probably written by a bunch of unpaid interns within the span of two days.
One of my issue with Frey is that she wants to escape the life she has, but when she does, she does nothing but complain and then want to go back to the life that she tried so hard to escape from in the first place.
I would say being transported to a world without electricity and magic people trying to hunt and murder me is a downgrade. I can't imagine anyone agreeing with this would last more than a day without youtube and their cat.
I mean, as much as this world sucks for her, there is no reason why the magical world couldn't be even worse. Lack of technology is a big factor obviously. Still, it is the execution that was bad.
Imagine you're the judge in this story. You let off this obnoxious repeat offender criminal girl because it's Christmas. She shows up at your house randomly to pawn off her cat onto you, a decade long time and money investment. And then doesn't show up for any of her community service. A warrant that maybe you have to sign has to go out for her arrest. Only thing the police can conclude is that she skipped town and disappeared. This judge now for years has this cat that will remind her why she shouldn't let criminals off easy because the last time she did they completely abused her good will.
If I was the judge and she gave me the cat like that and then just disappeared, I would assume she had been murdered by a gang or something, not just gone into hiding.
Honestly knowing the game im suprised she didnt go back, yell at the judge and saying that everythings her fault etc etc and for the game to act like shes completely right.
The ending of this game is so sad and tragic. The fact that poor Susurrus has to be trapped forever inside the body of a egocentric sociopath thief truly breaks my heart!
The most unrealistic thing about this game is that she had what looks like a purebred longhaired siamese cat as a homeless person and its fur wasnt matted and covered in shit
Who are u kidding. These ppl view "victim status" as a costume they can put on. No need to actually look into what life is actually like for the homeless.
"I must send my daughter on planet earth so she'll be safe!" Probably a good idea. You can send her to a nice small quiet country side- "I'll send her to New York City!" ....... Like mother and daughter I suppose. I bet even she'd find it difficult grabbing a cat and a bag of cash at the same time.
I was expecting some sci-fi thing like "Having me accompany you let's you understand any foreign tongue" but I'm thinking of it in the likes of "evil taking many forms" kind of thing, because who better to understand any language so clearly as one who's basically the evil incarnate in that universe wishing to manipulate any idiot he comes across? Very subtle foreshadowing. But y'know something like that would take some thought so this is what we got instead.
@@jackeroo_sundownou can always use an existing language if you don't want your characters to speak gibberish, uncommon ones such as Dutch or Norwegian.
"Horrendously Sensical" is a good sum up as well, wish it'd happen to bigger companies than small ones though lol Would do more good to see them *actually* recoil and pay a price for lackluster effort/false advertising.
Honestly, it's what all developers who approve millennial dialogue/writing deserve. Give me a protagonist who doesn't make sarcastic quips interspersed with "Fuckity fuck mcmotherfuck" every 10 seconds ffs.
If you watched this story and thought to yourself "This is good! Greenlit!" you don't deserve to be in business. Holy crap, this is so hilariously bad.
Square Enix has gone 2 for 2 recently when it comes to creating a studio, having its first game bomb, and then shutting down the studio because of it (Balan Wonder world and Forspoken)
"Hey librarian lady, stop researching how to help save your people, and research how fix my problems" "No, you're not even helping us" "Of course I won't help you, I don't care about you. You only wanted me to help you fix your problems, you don't even care about me" . . . . Are we supposed to like such a hypocritical and unlikeable character?
@@sebastianrosenheim6196 Exactly Their exchange is literally: Protagonist: "I literally only care about myself! Screw all of you and solve my problem!" Librarian: "Screw you, we don't care about your problems! Save us now dammit!" It's like a snapshot of a toxic relationship
Yes, because the type of person that writes this kind of protagonist is writing themselves into the protagonist, meaning they actually think this is a reasonable argument.
Oh my God, you guys weren't kidding. It wasn't metaphorical. She LITERALLY threw her baby through the portal, without even looking at what was on the other side.
@@saschaberger3212truly, they'll put a roof over your head, feed you daily, give you exercise, and a wonderful bedside window to a wonderful sight of the prison courtyard
"Why would I give my child to one of my friends in either worlds, or even her father, when I can just chuck her through a portal ?" - Tanta Cinta, Mother of the Year awardee. "You know what would be a great idea ? Sealing the entirety of a demon inside of me when a part of him sealed in an item was enough to drive the greatest sorceresses to madness." - Frey, Keeper of the Plot Armor. "Hey Cat ! I'm telepathically talking to you so you can pass on a message to Judge Judy. Why am I not directly talking into her mind ? Because I feel like a cat that can't talk would be a better messenger." - Frey, Tanta of Intelligence. The plot of this game only happens because every single person in it is absolutely braindead.
“Hey cat! Remember me? The woman you bonded with and are probably traumatized over losing? Yeah, I’m okay, you’ll just never see me again!” ~ Frey , Loving Cat Owner
Yeah that problem with the cuff really bugged me. Four experienced magic witches with potentially decades of experience turned completely bonkers evil in ~20 years from just wearing a _part_ of him as a bracelet, and this random kid who only found out she had powers like an hour ago and only knew magic existed for like a week absorbs the entire demon??
the court scene in first minute if the game shows how out of touch writers were. she wears a hat at court, court is xmas eve with just a judge and 2 cops, she has 3 plus felonies and walks away after Sassing the judge
It's lucky that none of the Tantas ever mentioned that Frey's bracelet was a demon, because otherwise we wouldn't have gotten that dramatically-appropriate twist in the third act.
You might think that Tantas would at least anticipate the demon trying to corrupt them and implement some safety measures. Or at least tell their subordinates "Oh, BTW if I ever show up acting all crazy, DON'T LISTEN TO ME"
It’s also equally lucky that Cuff decided three kills into his list of four revenge targets to randomly betray Frey and temporarily remove her powers when she was still up for killing tantas and that it happened at a time and in a manner where Frey was still on guard and extremely suspicious. Heck he doesn’t even try to trick Frey into thinking him suddenly obtaining humanoid form was a good thing.
@@pokerface4396 "Hey, how about we just toss these bracelets into like tough metal vaults and toss them in the ocean or a volcano or seal them away with our godlike magic?" "Nah let's wear them 24/7 and be corrupted like a bunch of Gollums"
I love how she's finally able to contact the *one* person whom cared enough to spare her and take in her only pet. To assure them that she didn't skip town or die in an unnamed ditch. AND SHE TALKS TO THE FUCKING CAT.
like that guy in system shock that calls his wife on his last moments to have her tell his cat that he loves it. but that was intended to be comedic, and i get the feeling this game was serious about it
I seriously thought she transitioned into a monologue but I got whiplash when it focused back in on the cat. Also was that apartment a reused asset from the dream sequence??
Funny how cuffs "punishment" is basically to have to go back to being stuck with Frey. Its almost like they knew she was insufferable. Lastly i cant believe she ditched the cat. She learned nothing and kept abandoning anyone who somehow didnt absolutely hate her.
You know what sucks? Is that Freya's character could have easily been fixed and the story make more sense by just having cuff be with her for her whole life in New York. Being the only thing she had with her since birth it holds sentimental value to her so she always keeps it with her, unaware that the Cuff's anger and hatred is corrupting her which leads her to being so abrasive and hate-filled and into a life of crime. You can sometimes have her be nice so it now shows her true character, that despite Cuff negative influence she still has enough goodness in her to overcome their vices occasionally, instead of using her occasional niceties to present her as an "uwu misunderstood". It'll even make the ending more palpable, where despite Cuff's betrayal and constant attempts on her and her loved ones lives, she still wants to work things out with him and go back to the way things were because that's how deeply those Cuffs meant to her which only heightens through the journey they went on.
Yeah that would have been far more interesting. Should have at least implied the cuff was making her do all the bad stuff in new york. I just think it was a big mistake to make the protagonist unlikeable, arrogant and selfish even tho i guess she was homeless so it makes sense she is all that but who wants to watch a person like that? I mean did she have any other redeeming qualities than she took care of a cat? Also they killed the criminal kid too early she should have realized herself that stealing is bad and teach it to the kid. Also why did she even want to go back to her home when she was in the fantasy land if she was literally just about to do a sudoku before she was sent to the fantasy land. Maybe the whole story is just her dying brain on the pavement imagining a nicer ending.
I still can’t get over the fact, the judge expecting this brave, beautiful, black queen to take responsibility. racist criminal justice system confirmed
Oh my god, this story of this game is literally, literally the exact fucking same as Amulet. A book series made for children. I should note, however, that in Amulet the twist about the magic McGuffins being evil was revealed in the first book, which is hilarious because apparently, a book series made for children respected their readers' intelligence more than this game for adults does. Also, amulet's dialogue doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon.
it would be much much forgivable if the demon still maintain his calmness after he reveal himself. maybe even strike a deal with her. Like "i'll help you return to real life after i absorbed Cinta's power and here are some gold, you can sell em when you're back to your world and start over". its just there are so many things that can be done better.
@@blackforest1646 From what I remember the amulets did that as well (though it has been a while) & it did create a more interesting dynamic between the hero & effectively the 'villain' of the story. So yea ur prolly right.
That's funny because as I was trying to be positive about the story I got the impression it'd be great for a YA novel like a Percy Jackson type thing but not as a AAA game lol
I cried at the end only because SHE LEFT HER! I have a cat who has a bond with me that is much like the one portrayed between Frey and her cat, here. The few times I’ve left for a while and come back, I’ve gotten the warmest welcome back ever from my cat. She does miss me, to the point where a camera I had left in the house caught her waiting at the door for me to come back in. Leaving an animal with a bond like that does, in fact, stress the animal out! She doesn’t even visit afterwards. The poor thing just hears her voice and is left to stare sadly out the window wondering where her person is and why she was left with this stranger!
I genuinely cant believe that because frey has no actual friends in new york, her whole "You're not alone, so don't give up even if you have nothing to live for" speech is to her CAT.
Honestly out of everything, that's one of the things that pissed me off the most. "How do you plead?" "Not guilty!" "OK I sentence you to 120h of community service!" like wtf? how did they write that?
When the judge says “ Sooner or later, you have to take responsibility for your actions” The writers obviously never been to Chicago, New York or any 3rd world African nation
My favourite bit is they put "IN GOD WE TRUST" behind the judge. That's very rarely found at all in modern courtrooms, much less behind the judge (it's generally in the lobby, if anywhere). I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's become exceedingly rare in favor of "Those Who Labour Here Seek Only Truth". This is ESPECIALLY true in New York. This is something they could have figured out by looking at any pictures of a NY courtroom. But it's not, meaning they didn't even do that and just did the entire design based on how they figured it'd look in their heads. EDIT: This has also been in the news, because you have a bunch of people who want to bring IN GOD WE TRUST back. They really did 0 research, didn't they?
No it was Christmas dude didn't you even watch the scene tis the season, ur just a hater ass humbug tbh I commit my crime sprees in December too and they ALWAYS give me my milk and cookies
So, Frey's motivation for 80% of the game is just "I need to go back to New York, that place where I have no money and no place to live; the place where people want to kill me, and almost managed to do so; the place where I was about to jump off a building like 10 minutes before getting sucked through a portal; because ThAt'S mY hOmE!"
It makes the whole Alice in Wonderland scene BS too. Lol it’s like she basically won the lottery and then is like “I don’t want this money, I LOVE being homeless!”
They must had realized they screwed up with that plot point. On Isekai stories a common trope is that the protagonist does goes back to their original world but despite the fondness they have for it they realize their life in the new one is way better, Frey kinda has that when she "revisits" NY but instead of revisiting her actual life they had to make her hallucinate a completely different one because it would have looked straight up ridiculous she going back to being a homeless, loner thief with a target on her back and realizing Athia was a far better home.
To be fair, even in Athia a lot of folks wanted her dead, plus having to deal with the apocalypse is also kinda stressful. I personally would have stayed in Athia, purely because it wasn't winter in there.
People who write/approve stuff like this have no real-life experience or sense of morality. Such are the consequences of hiring indoctrinated children right out of their shitty college dorms or out of a “””””writer’s”””” guild.
@@theotv5522 I remember my sister reading an interpretation of norse mythology written by a boomer trying to appeal to zoomers/mellenials. Every character was either gender fluid or trans for no reason. She barely made it a few chapters before putting it down and reading another interpretation. Tip for writers, write what you would read not what you think others would read.
@@Logan-zp8biI mean... Norse, Greek, and Roman mythology are all pretty full up with queer, genderless, gods, having sex with literally everything they set eyes on.
I actually think a better ending would have been: Frey is full of anger and is very self absorbed. So rather than the traditional redemption by saving the day arc, Frey gives in to her true nature and joins Mr. Sus-cuff. She has more connection to the only entity which has ever made her feel powerful, she is indifferent to the people of Athia and resents her mother for abandoning her so given the chance she turns on them. Her personality is closer to a villain than a reluctant hero anyway. So instead of the story being "she never dealt with any of her issues or learned to be a better person but she's the hero because she's special" it could be "she gave into her nature and was ultimately more drawn to power, getting what she feels she's owed and revenge."
I think it would have been even better to have her turn villain and cuff be a good guy. He encourages her to absorb the Tanta power because he thinks it will help fix the corruption, but she just enjoys being powerful, and becomes even more self centred as she gets more powerful. After the final Tanta, when she learns that her mother was a Tanta, she banishes Cuff from her arm. The townspeople have to go back to the opposing side from the prior war, and ask them to re-summon Cuff in his angelic form, because if they don't, Frey will destroy both of them, so despite being life-long enemies, they combine forces, re-summon Cuff, and you play as him with the Tanta powers for the final fight. If you really want to pussy out you can have him just beat the corruption part and she returns to normal, agreeing to take the role her mother did as protector, or go full Shadow of the Colossus, and have Cuff fully beat her, trapping her into some similar accessory as he used to be, then taking up the mantle as protector. You can even weasel it into being woke "it's a story of how the oppressed villagers used their cultural traditions to defend themselves from a tyrant who only had power because they were born into it as a child of a monarch". Would work especially well if you lean into, like you said, her feeling betrayed by her mother for not protecting her as a child, so she takes her mothers powers to attack Athia, because her mother chose Athia over her. You can even have Cuff begin with bad intentions, but as he sees Frey clearly losing control, has to course-correct because she's a bigger threat. Would be interesting to have him trying to convince the Athians to re-summon him in his powerful angelic form, with them being worried that the "demon" is just trying to trick them into giving it back it's power, but also feeling like they have no choice because he's the only thing strong enough to stop a fully-powered Tanta, as shown in the past. Give Audrey some payoff by having her fathers research actually be about re-summoning Cuff, and he was exiled for it, but it turns out he was right all along that they may need Cuff's power one day. You can even have her show up when both sides are arguing about if they should empower Cuff and give her argument all "My father died for this, looking for a way to protect us, I refuse to have his work go to waste. He may have died, but that doesn't mean we have to." sort of thing. Would even add a personal touch to Frey's defeat that her only 'friend' in town was the one who was the deciding factor in her downfall.
And she gets her ass sealed by the witches and returns as a baby in an empty valley with no escape, full of giant collapsed statues that used to roam around like they were alive but they were just possessed, like in shadow of the colossus.
Frey's whole wanting to go home would make more sense if she specified that it's because she misses her cat. There is literally like no other reason to want to return to new york.
Well, she didn't want to stay in a land willing to kill her tho, nor was she probably into the murder the witches plan, so it made sense that she still wanted to go back to escape that. Well, would have made sense if she said any of it. In fact, she's actually into the witch murder plan before the third witch, but she still wants to go back because ???? Hello????? Fray??? Why????
"I wish i could go down a rabbit hole" but then when it actually happens and shes a chosen one with powers, spends the entire time complaining and trying to return to her burned out abandoned building. The thing that bugged me the most was that cuff didnt even need to lie to hide his grand scheme because frey wasnt even curious what the talking magical artifact bound to her was trying to do, she never even asked.
She was way too self-absorbed. Infact. You could have the tantas point out the fact that amulet is evil, and she would just be like "you just want to take my powers away" because she sees that they also have it.
@@Xenozillex she legit would have said that. She literally said "my powers are gone" when cuff did the big reveal even though it was clearly cuff doing the magic the whole time.
Dude... really? Are you willing to spend more time of your short life compared to the overall time of the rest of the universe and spend some more brain matter into Forsaken for the PS5?
I just realized something on my whatever numbered rewatch. She got home after being let off easy for stealing a car that she was being paid to do. But she is planning to leave with the money she has, meaning it's enough to leave (more than enough really). But that either means A: she got paid in advance which is just stupid on the gang member's part or B: she had enough to leave new York but decided to take a unnecessarily risky job
I'm confused, so they thought Frey was as demon because she survived the breakstorm, but somehow had no problem with aubrey's dad also surviving the breakstorm AND being marked by it???
i guess they got over that shit real quick, they saw Frey and yelled DEMON but after that it was old news so when the dad showed up they were just like lol lame idgaf
It's genuinely amazing how the writers managed to make sure every single bad thing that happened benefit her in some way so she didn't have to grow as a character at all. She literally spends the whole game stealing everyone's powers, even her initial character flaw became her core character strength, including stealing the demon at the end. The plot armour is insane.
The game is like a very egotistic unpleasant person holding your hand and telling everything about herself. In modern writing, it is very popular for writers to project themselves into the characters they create.
I’d be impressed if they did it and also made a successful game. Any numbskull can write a main character says “poop comes from butts” in a game that sold 3 copies because 2 people were too lazy to get refunds and 1 was the creator’s mother who doesn’t own any game systems or even a computer
Wow the story was beyond stupid. This whole "no matter how unimportant you feel, you still matter to someone" is so vain. Frey didn't matter to anyone until she magically got super powers and they needed her. The people she saved couldn't even be bothered to take in a HOMELESS child, yet still for some reason they expect Frey to care for them?! Fucking bonkers man. Frey didn't even change her personality, she was arrogant and the start and was still at the end (she bragged about her status to her CAT ffs)
That's how they write a "strong" female character. Women don't rise to power. They had the power all along. The story is just other characters realizing how great she always was.
the judge at least cared about her to an extent, she was so fed up with her and still gave her chance after chance. you dont get such sweetheart deals unless you are the presidents son
So she really went to New York, saw the people getting shot, stabbed, doing drugs, shitting behind dumpsters, pissing into the gutters and thought “Big buildings cool, what if this, but in my dimension”
@@antifurryfoundation55 he is, I mean if you think about it, the Tantas only said that they waged war with the country of the past and who knows that Tantas might be lying to cover up their invasion(remember that after they sealed susurus, the tanta elders literally took the vambraces on themselves instead of simply destroying them, which made me suspicious that they want to harness his power for themselves instead later on), the attacked kingdom might have summoned susurus to battle the Tantas because they don't wanna get invaded due to how powerful the elders are(and they were right, not even susurus can stand up to them), not to mention he is actually still trying to accomplish his mission given to him even after being sealed which made him the most determined character throughout the whole game, got stuck with frey long enough before finally released from his seal(dude's literally got the patience of a saint, if it were me I'd find some nobody instead who wont at least spew bullshits and berating me for no good reason), and susurus still got shat on by plot armor later on because the writers don't know how to make a compelling story Cuff/susurus is definitely a tragic main character in my book instead of an antagonist
I like how at the end (1:47:50), she tells Cuff / Vambrace that "You're not alone, even when you think you are." And yet, throughout the game, she dismisses all the help he provided her, undermines any credit for her accomplishments, AND straight up tells him that she's okay with him being a meaningless bauble that gets buried with her. That dude has been completely alone while stuck on your arm throughout the entirety of the runtime. Don't give him the "you matter" speech when he never mattered to you until he took away all your powers.
Girl downright shat on Vambrace (Cuff? Susurrus?) the entire fucking time and was surprised Pikachu face when he betrayed her IMMEDIATELY? Like he didn’t even wait until the last Tanta was dead so he could utterly ravage Athia, but wanted out from being near Frey so fast he revealed everything early. You can tell a tiny bit of that was personal.
They unironically tried to do Grimoire Weiss from Nier. Except while Weiss being pompous is really endearing because you can tell he actually cares and his whole arc is about learning to put himself on the line for other people, Vambrace is just an evil dick that was using Fray all along and it's obvious that they don't really like eachother. So when it comes to them having an emotional moment or whatever it's like "... Wait, weren't you a prick...? Why should I care again.....?" There's just never that endearing human side to them that the writers seem to think they put there. Sure, he saves you, but he's always obviously just concerned about himself, so it falls super flat.
Could you imagine... in that scene in which Cuff reveals his true nature, he proceeds to pull Frey apart and end her story then and there for good, lol.. Ah.. what bliss that would be..
I thought it was incredibly hamfisted that the one white guy on the council is a hysterical loon while the diversity squad are reasonable, ask questions, and are even somewhat kind to someone who may very well be a demonic invader.
So, gang members break into Frey's flop house, take time to spray paint a window, and seriously, they don't look around her sparse furnishings to notice a duffle bag filled with thousands of dollars? Wouldn't it have added a tad of tension for Frey to awake to those gals ripping her off, maybe threatening her cat, and then setting the fire? I'm just expecting too much from these writers.
WHy wouldn’t they go in and threaten her more and take the cat and money? That way she is really pressured to get the car back. If they just burn her alive then they don’t get the car and their boss will kill them.
Frey's personality would be better understood if she had a fulfilling life in the real world and was dragged by the cuff to fantasy land, that would explain why she would want to return so much.
Tbf, many people who wish for things wished they didn’t wish for them, it’s a common trope in stories for millennia. Not that that fully excuses the bad writing…
It's like the writers copied the usual 'isekai' story line but forgot they also wrote her real life reality being the shittiest ever. Who would want to go back to being a homeless in NY running away from a street gang after going to a fantasy world? LOL
The whole motivation was because of a random child that happens to teach her crafting tutorial for like 10 minutes and the whole game is Frey being rent-free obsessed over this dead child. And when I play it I just burst out laughing when they're mourning over this dead child while there're still corpses left rotting in the street.
Pretty much. I get that it's meant to be a whole "This place is somewhere you have a connection to, actually" thing, but her entire problem was "This isn't my home, I don't care about it", and then because it happened to be her home she suddenly started caring. It's meant to show that she's changed but it just implies she would have probably bolted if her mom didn't happen to be a Tanta in the end.
also the main villain isnt really even a villain, he's literally just doing what he was hired to do. but we wanna take the moral highground and take a side
"Just following orders" doesn't really excuse murdering civilians. I do agree that the story needed some more moral greyness and in my head canon all the little birds that fly around Sussybaka all represent prayers of the murdered Redditors, making him the embodiment of their grudges towards the power hungry Athian invaders.
Character is a thief looking for a better life Doesn't change just steals money Gets sent to fantasy world Steals from the locals who hate her Steal power from witches to get stronger Greatest narrative in gaming, strong woman/10
The thing about this game is that I’m sure the Japanese developers earnestly wanted to appeal to western audiences, but they didn’t realize that Hollywood writers don’t know what western audiences respond to either lmao.
I love how so many people's responses are that its always the Jap devs trying to appeal to "western audiences(America isnt a part of the west btw)" and not them just making shitty decisions for a shitty game. It's NEVER the fault of the japanese always someone else's Goddamn weebs like you are why the industry is broken
My favorite part was when she is given a tiny hood to conceal her face, but she is still wearing her clothes from Earth which look nothing like the local garb and make her stand out like a sore thumb.
I liked the part where she tries to push on the doors of a kingdom that is openly being threatened by magical death and there's not a single person there to ask what she's doing and who she is
And then they didn't just immediately arrest her again or raise the alarm when they noticed she was gone. Meanwhile, she ditched the hood 30 seconds after walking outside to no consequences whatsoever.
I legitimately lost my shit for a good five minutes when she first arrived through the portal in the ruined castle. There was a fully intact chandelier with glass and chains and shit, *just hanging there normally.* Not cockeyed. Undamaged. In a demolished room. Next to a massive hole in the roof. And we later catch glimpses of chandeliers that _did_ fall to the floor in far less ruined buildings. *That shit is just as uncanny as the autist.*
I love how Frey telepathically monologs to Homer as if her cat's a person and promises to come get her instead of using her inherited portal ability to actually...y'know...get the cat.
She is clearly able to do so, she even does it _in the game_ so it's not even implied or anything. She could go and grab her cat in like 30 seconds with a portal but she just talks to it with her mind
@@erihgioqe3798 Perhaps she has figured out there are no cats and Homer would be both very lonely, and very invasive for 1 generation! Or the writers wanted the ending to be a little sadder(?).
@@sephtis then just like, get some cats from shelters and bring them too?? I'm sure the people would love having some around, and it adopts them from shelters
I'm struck by the unavoidable realization that Sussy Rus would have gotten everything he wanted- and in record time- if he'd just refrained from being an extra dickhead to Tanta Santa. He's got his tendrils into the four most powerful women in the land, he is steadily and unavoidably corrupting each of them, driving them mad. Instead of continuing on with this plan that is not only good, it is INEVITABLY SUCCESSFUL, he decides "You know what'd be cool? Lets stop corrupting one of the powerful ladies and follow this baby through the portal." And then he languishes in New York for 21- almost 22- years until Frey puts him on, and has to fight himself repeatedly. You know what's a lot faster? Keep going with Plan A, let the Tantas murder each other after you've corrupted them, then continue doing whatever it is you're going to do. If you really must track down Tanta Santa's spawn (who really doesn't count as being a citizen of Fantasy Athens by that point, but whatever), just finish wiping the world clean, THEN go after her as the final mop-up. But no, I guess the opportunity to pull a pointless evil was too... TANTAlizing. Ayyyyyy Also side-note, but did she slap a nametag on that bundle of baby before she yeeted her into a New York city street? It sounds like Alfre was her real name, how'd that end up translating with that abandoned child?
So many people are making good observations about this dogshit story. Why the fuck would he go into some portal to another dimension? On the off chance that Frey puts him on? What if she moved to a different state? Which she would have done if not for that fire. Sus' plans were a day away from being foiled and he would have be stuck in an abandoned building forever. What if Frey got hit by a bus? Or stabbed by a crackhead?
How about that he could have easily won had he just opened a portal after "revealing" himself? She would have gladly thrown herself into it without a second thought.
It was very brave of Square Enix to make the main moral lessons for the protagonist to learn be “it’s ok for my African-American father to be an absentee” and “a horrifying fantasy world where most things want to kill you is better to live in than New York”
@@DILFDylF me too had to beg for free roaming games that if it even had a HINT of fighting the police would not get it (but Simpsons Hit and run was okay to play smh)
It's a good thing she used her telepathy to give a "you matter" speech to her fucking cat. Thing was depressed as hell living in the home of a financially stable person who feeds her regularly.
The cuff being an ancient magical spirit who wants to kill the Tantas makes him a very appealing character because the whole game the Tantas did nothing but being evil (and cringe) and the cuff kept sharing his powers with the player, a semi competent writer would have let the player side with the cuff in an aditional ending in which you have another point of view...
@@ivygreenleaf2722Literally the whole game the Tantas can just go “Hey kid, did you know that cuff is evil and is using you? I’m also it’s victim btw. Why don’t you let me take him off and I’ll also send you back to where you came as a bonus” But nah, generic evil big bad rant is more appealing see.
If I'm not mistaken they are under some kind of mind control of sorts, they can't tell her that. And also I believe OP meant that it would be interesting for you to have the option to side with cuff at the end, before finding out he is evil and it's all his doing
@@geegeep The cuff is not evil tho, he was enslaved by the Rheddig because they needed help to survive against the Tantas, Then he was enslaved by the tantas, and they killed all his people, Hell the Tantas are really shit people just like Frey, Her mother literally gives her to a foster home and gaslights her into thinking it was a good idea instead of giving Frey to her father. Susurrus is the good guy in this game. Prove me wrong.
Judges do not walk out the frint if the courthouse into a pitch black night soecifically because defendants come looking for them, not usually to give them cats
Frey reminds me of a DnD group trying their hardest to get kicked out of the campaign the overly-optimistic DM spent SO MUCH TIME on; the NPCs haul ass bending over backwards to progress the story in spite of the genuinely unlikable player behaviour. The boss fights keep happening AT Frey in an attempt to keep the players engaged, while they openly justify why their characters don't care and would just bee line it home.
She's only unlikeable if you THINK about it and realize that stealing is bad, being a dick to people is bad, etc. If you FEEL your way through, you'll realize that she's the main character and she gets to steal, cheat, do collateral damage and be an asshole to anyone and they aren't allowed to get mad. "Oh you killed us? Actually, you did us a favor. Thank you. I wanted to die, so I can give you my powers. No, I like being dead it's all I fucking wanted." It's basically a power fantasy, except with emotional power. I wonder if a woman wrote this.
@@AnarchistGrandpa When I used to play with friends we had a few guys like that. What I would do is immediately manufacture the game so they died, then resurrect them as an npc that did shit I knew they would hate. If they wanted back in, I'd kill the character again and resurrect again under their control. And then it would be nothing but an endless cycle of death for that person from then on. It actually worked out really well a couple of times, too. One decided to turn evil and tried to fight the DM (me), and the campaign sort of twisted him as an empathetic antagonist trying to free himself from the shackles of a god that had preordained his rise and defeat, making the other player characters into holy warriors againt him. Another time I gave the perpetual die-er a chance to sacrifice himself in the end so the rest of the party could live through the final battle, and he did it. Got them both into the game by pissing them off lol
@@jimmybean420there are players that like to, as I call it, take the piss. Their soul goal is to not play nice and to make the DM's job a living hell by doing absolutely everything but follow the story or world rules. Basically an entire party of "I'm the main character so I can do whatever I want to"
All of the Tantas had parts of the demon in bracelets they could take off, and they still ended up getting corrupted. So what does our hero do? Take the entire demon inside of herself, permanently. Someone cue the Always Sunny theme.
Scolled down WAY too far for this. Like most stuff is eye rolling or excusable, but that’s literally the central twist of the entire game and they had the same conclusion….I just cant event imagine….
@@5hirtandtieler Well those where 4 people far apart and now its 5 people in one condensed form so it would be harder for Vambrace to do anything an if she needed too she could just off them both by suicide
but Sussy angel became a good boy in the end! The power of friendship prevailed over the power of summoning a demon that's supposed to enact justice for genocide! YAY
Cinta literally BLINDLY THREW HER INFANT DAUGHTER INTO ANOTHER WORLD? Didn't drop her off at a house. Didn't leave her with an Athian in New York she could trust. Just toss the baby, good luck kiddo. That is almost as stupid as Cinta turning into a dragon.
A perfect time to remind people that, if we actually chose the ending based on Frey's personality and character arc, the ending where Athia dies and she returns broke and homeless to New York is canon.
Did you miss the part where she becomes disillusioned with that attitude? That's kind of the whole point of the illusion section (yes it is that on the nose).
I find all her generic cookie cutter motivational bull at the end amusing. All that "you matter, you are important" crap coming from someone who's only saying that instead of being a stain on the pavement by now, because she was lucky enough to be the child of an interdimensional wizard. Moral of the story: Be born important.
"she is guilty of grand larceny for a fifth time. well happy birthday and merry christmas youre free to go do it again." -in our world from a judge that personally knows the defendant "execute her" "no judge, she can help us" "no judge, she is evil" "ah yes two very good arguments" -the court of a land with magic, with multiple witnesses who saw her talking to someone they couldnt see or hear. wtf did the famous she-hulk writers write these courtroom scenes?
To be fair, women do get lighter sentences and NYC is infamous now for its revolving-door arrest policy and no-cash bail system. Frey was also ironically safer in a medieval kingdom besieged by demons than New York City 2023
I love how hard the game pushes strong female characters and feminism yet you can basically boil the plot down to "we left a bunch of women in charge and everything went to shit"
@@embodimentofgreatness5514 yeah for sure, like the Asari in mass effect kinda ruled the galaxy so that was kinda a matriarchy and no one cared because they are hot and not pushing woke BS
What gets me the most is how the dialogue in this game undermines the world design. How are you supposed to get invested in this fantasy world if the main character treats it like a stupid joke the whole time?
I mean, that's the obvious thing, but the writing is so much worse than that. It's not just that it's a joke, it's that the character is self-absorbed, selfish, has no respect for anyone and the writing tries to say she's actually an honorable person. Her change of mind to care and help was not caused by any self-reflection or emotional growth, but because she learned that the people were _her_ people and she was a magic princess and they were her subjects. And there's even more about her personality and situation to talk about besides just this aspect. Literally a garbage human, but they want you to be like her; See her as a role model. Like at the end when she's talking to her cat telapathically, she's all like "WOW I'M SO IMPORTANT NOW LOOK AT ME" - Disgusting trait for a hero. Even at the end the cat misses her and she doesn't care about anyone but herself. Can't travel though one of your magic portals for half an hour one more time to love your cat? She's just _that_ busy in her new life as a fairy queen of a magic kingdom, huh? Don't care to let the Judge - who cared about you - Know that you're okay and you've moved on and things are good now? Just vanish and leave her hanging for the rest of her life wondering what happened, hey? I could go on for pages. Just a totally worthless, garbage person. And the plot in general isn't totally non-nonsensical, but it's 100% reactionary, which is why characters don't behave appropriately and make unrealistic decisions, and you see this a _lot_ in writers today. And then when they are also biased by the social trends and any social messaging they feel compelled to include, you get a steaming pile of manure like this.
That's the main reason i stopped enjoying games like Borderlands or Saints Row. If the characters in the game aren't taking the situation seriously, why should I be invested?
@@UnitSe7enI like how you have ingenious protag like Gordon Freeman who is a complete mute be more likeable and a better role model than this walking zoomer stereotype.
@@jackhazardous4008 regardless the quality of their writings, Borderlands and (old) Saints Rows still "make sense" in context because their world/ setting are not taking themselves seriously. Even when the enemies are out of their mind and acting unhinged, it's mostly for humor. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Borderlands and (old) Saint Rows being really funny, I feel many of their "jokes" not hit and cringe, but they are trying to make the story "fun", unlike Forspoken.
Funny enough, Amy Hennig apparently wrote some parts of this and I can see Nathan Drake delivering some of Frey's lines well. However, Nathan Drake is a swashbuckling competent idiot and Frey is just an idiot. A person in her position in life isn't really fit to be smug or sarcastic as she comes off as just narcissistic.
So the solution for defeating the demon that was corrupting the Tantas with a braclet was to absorb the demon inside of herself..... How is Frey not going to be corrupted? Is that the sequel? Like is the plan for her to return to New York a corrupted Tanta, then some other abandoned homeless kid to defeat her? Imagine what the judge will think when the repeat offender she let off with a warning comes back destroying buildings because "she's important now".
@@bluecanine3374 "I must say that I had placed the blindest of confidences, the solidest of hopes and the most sincere belief in you. We can well say that I have erred to the bones." -Homer, confronting Frey
I wanted to try the game because the powers seemed cool, but I can't stand when the characters in a piece of entertainment can't take their own setup seriously.
The "They welcomed you!" is so hilarious, when they immediately wanted to execute her and had to be persuaded to "only" imprison her. And then later, once they felt threatened again, they were immediately ready to hand her over to her death, as well. They only started welcoming her when she started being useful to them. And then, when Frey has a single moment of "Oh god, I am going to be stuck here forever..." 3D-scan-gone-wrong girl immediately goes on an angry tirade. And even she only helped Frey, because she thought she would be useful, not out of the goodness of her heart. You know what, Frey? You go on ahead and steal. Steal all the apples! Freak those guys.
Every single character in this game is insufferable, to a point where it's actually impressive. Like, I've struggled to choose who to root for in a game before - but never because I couldn't choose who I hated less. 10/10.
Such an instant classic story. Masterfully balanced a generic plot with immense cringe. This will no doubt go down as the greatest product made. Inferior games like Elden Ring and God of War should look to ForGOATen on how a real game is made.
The Game Awards Journalists when it's that time of the year again and they can stamp games "Game of the year" against the consent of actual gamers: "Foarspoaken 👁👄👁"
1. Her mother is basically a queen and couldn't send ONE ADULT to care for baby Frey? 2. She has the powers of the Tantas and doesn't create a portal to New York and take her cat, buy some McDonald's, get back, 30 minutes tops? 3. What happens when she dies naturally? Demon Sus would just come back. Will she give her kid the demon? 4. Why did the Tantas need to die? Was it because they were insane or something and Frey's mom didn't because the bracelet came to New York? 5. If they made this game like Fallout with a silent protagonist it might be better.
Honestly, is there anything stopping Frey from just, like, visiting New York every now and then? Actually, wait, as I write this I realize she has no Earth friends and thus no reason to. Though, I guess she could become a cryptid for the lols.
I’ll answer the first one. Because activists writers need to insert modern political commentary about whatever they personally feel strongly about, (regardless of actual proliferation of said issue) and that would get in the way.
The funny thing about what you mentioned, Cinta knows who Frey's father is, she is aware of where he lives, she states in the game that one day she will introduce Frey to her father. Cinta doesn't send Frey to her dad, her dad doesn't know he impregnated her, despite having an ability that would allow her to remedy those issues, she tosses her child in the cold. Great mother.
She straight up abandoned her cat at the end of the game. They showed that she can teleport. They showed she probably inherited the power to open portals between realms. She has the power of Big Sus. She could get her cat in two minutes if she wanted but she doesn't.
well, you see, introducing Homer into the other dimension would be an ecological disaster, as Homer would be an invasive species she's just being econscious
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How brave of cintia to send her daughter to the one place in the multiverse where she would be safe: the New York foster care system!
You can't lose!
I almost threw out from laughing so hard at that comment. Thank you so much for that haha.
Lol. Of course that's just another demonstration of the stupidity of the writers.
100% of babies put up for adoption are adopted, only children, as in no longer babies, who enter the system remain bouncing around in the system
I mean, it could have been worse, she could have been sent to detroit or ohio.
No joke, I've went to Forspoken subreddit and their cope for the terrible writing was "you're too stupid to understand the genius writing" or "you're not in Frey's shoes so your choices/logic is much different than her". Gave me the worst headache I ever had.
I love how the plot hinges on Frey being unable to carry both a bag and a cat at the same time
"GoTtA FiNd hOmEr fIrSt!!'
Bruh they had the best writers on this project
Outside of the obvious/braindead “leave the bag” trope, what exactly was stopping Frey from just straight up leaving that night? If anything, the death threats would probably motivate me to grab a cab/Uber and at least get out of Manhattan asap. She had the money.
@@ChatterboxFM the writers
@@ChatterboxFMSmart enough to steal $100k, too dumb to realise $100k is enough to rebuild a life.
"Our people welcomed you..." it's wonderful when the writers forget what happened in their own story.
this happens multiple times "you should feel honored to be the child of a tanta!" uhmm beeotch why? all ive seen them do is murder and oppress their own people and rule with fear.
I kind of don’t blame them for losing attention to this drivel story. I never would’ve seen the story if it was for IH. Forget pirating it, I didn’t even want to spend the 3 minutes to google it
It's the athian way
Also when they give characters knowledge and then forget they can use it before the player also gets said knowledge.
Like, everyone at the the Cipal council knows about the demon, the war, the Sussy guy, and the bracelets, as they all witnessed it happen. So why is nobody explaining this to Frey at the trial and letting her be aware that she is being guided by a demon? Why isn't the guy just saying "she is controlled by the amogus guy, look, she has the bracelet"? Why is Auden even considering she can be helpful? And later on, why are they so happy to let her be guided by the demon? None of this information was a secret, why did it only become important after we find out about it?
@@ferko28 not to mention every single one of the queens or whatever had a bracelet JUST LIKE HERS!
So they spray painted "Found You" on her window in reverse so it would appear correct from the inside. Thats dedication
The N must have been a pain in particular
Haha that must have taken ages with many a “f*uck this, its too hard and not worth it”thrown in
@sophietemple2728 or maybe; after every mistake, they just angerly remove the window with and replace it with an identical window to start over
@@floricel_112 The N in reverse is the cyrillic letter for I.
The funny thing is that this was while she was sleeping, so they somehow presumed that she would wake up, walk to the window, read the message and die. Not jump out the window onto the FIRE ESCAPE because who would do that 😭
The most unrealistic part isn’t the fantasy world and dragon, its actually an abandoned building in Hell’s Kitchen having one theif squatter and not a minimum of twenty crackheads
And at least one dead body
What makes you think Frey isn't a crackhead?
So true lol
They truly went for the high fantasy on this one.
Why is Frey's mom a dragon anyway?
You know you've got a likeable protagonist when the final boss calls her a "Purposeless, meaningless wretch" and you agree with him and want him to win.
I was GIDDY with delight at the word "wretch."
@@Providence83wretch is one of those words we need to bring back as a society.
Like the "angel" being stopped and foiled by five insane sorceresses, the whole game has been impeded and defeated by insanely stupid decisions. How poetic that was
I felt a prick in my heart for Susurrus. The only one with a modicum of intelligence, trapped in a realm of idiocy.
I'm not even sure if the protagonist likes herself. Her constant cursing is so dispassionate, almost like she doesn't want to exist.
Frey: What do you wanna say? That I have POTENTIAL? I am a SMART GIRL with a BRIGHT FUTURE?
Judge: No! WTF??? Who told you that? lmao!
You have amazing potential in a life of crime, so, basically, in you go, off with the key, eligible for parole in 50 years.
Judge: "You'll be appointed a public defender. Your trial will be in approximately 6 months. In the meantime, you'll enjoy the hospitality of the New York City penal system."
Frey: "B...but I'm the chosen one!"
Honestly I thought that line was fucking hilarious, idky it’s just so damn funny
@@2percentright
Judge: chosen one? Why yes, you have been chosen for solitary confinement
Forspoken is like watching an entire DND campaign be derailed by one player’s edgy character.
And the DM is non-stop popping oxy
Nah, it's the DMs girlfriend. The one other player who stuck through had a meltdown about 3/4s into the campaign. I don't blame him.
@Dreckmal01 This, 100% My friend was the DM of our session, and his wife took none of the shit within character, played it as chaotic for chaos sake, and tried to summon a horse in every situation possible. And the DM did nothing because, it was his wife.
It was like playing with poorly written Newgrounds animations that believe "random = comedy."
@@Leoncroi *A horse girl.* It all makes sense.
@@Leoncroi Was her name Auden?
More time was spent collectively watching this video than anyone played this game
this might be the first ih video i can't finish
That's probably true ya know
@@stellviahohenheim20:11 watch this part first at least
This is the only way anyone will experience the game. Two men photoshopped in; using their comedic timing and bewilderment to make it palatable.
Also, I absolutely loved OneyPlays series on this. It was absolutely perfect for them and I hope the people will see them finish the game one day.
Any time I see clips from Forspoken I feel like I'll die of second hand cringe.
I just realized. The dead guy was studying the portals, trying to figure out what this mysterious phenomenon was, and the whole time their leaders were just creating them intentionally?
Like, they could have just told him "yeah no that's us making those, don't waste your entire life trying to do scientific research on this".
It's also done by the one he's most familiar with.
But that doesn't answer why Auden Keen looks like a "highly autistic" man
The leaders at that point were not really rational or acting in the interests of their people, so that's not really a plot hole.
@@robbert-janmerk6783 No, you have to remember, the mother had ALREADY gone to new york and gotten knocked up by some stranger at a bar before the fight with susdemon, and the corruption probably took at least a few weeks to even start kicking in, so even if that were the first time she made one (which is pretty doubtful, given I don't believe someone would just accidentally create a portal and immediately walk through it), she'd have had plenty of time to explain it to the man she was allegedly friends with
they knew, but they just thought it would be funny
I love how despite cuff explicitly stating he is the one with the powers, and how every time they kill a tanta, it is clearly cuff who absorbs the power, when he turns on her she tries to cast a spell and goes "huh? MY powers are gone?" It turns whats meant to be a twist into me rolling my eyes at how brain dead and self centred she is to where she picks up a magic bracelet that teleports her, can cast magic, and absorbs God essence and still goes "huh, I thought I was the special one?"
It almost seems intentional that Frey is a self absorbed idiot, but no one really acknowledges it outside maybe the opening dialog between her and cuff.
Weren't you listening? SHE DID IT WITH HER FREAKIN' MIND!
She's so self centered that despite Cuff immediately telling her he doesn't like being called that, she never even bothers to ask him his name.
Yeah like… I get if Frey doesn’t realize at first but after the adrenaline wears off you’d think she’d put two and two together! Every single player is definitely going “It was the cuff. It’s the cuff. The cuff is giving you powers- ITS THE FUCKING CUFF FREY”
Bro you missed the line, its the most famous line. "Did I just do that?" she even repeats it like 6 times afterwards, same delivery.
Her mom abandoned her, and she abandoned her cat. The cycle of abandonment never ends
It's a metaphor for non existent parents in poc households
My father abandoned me and if I have children then I'll abandoned them
Well at least she gave the cat directly to somebody she knew.
@@krisridge1985"Chrip"
Yeah, but at least frey tried to give her cat to a person, not just toss her into a portal!
Not only did they make the two black girls thieves, they also made her black father do a pump'n dump. Truly powerful stuff.
Her coal burner mom also fulfilled her role.
You can’t say the writers didn’t create a realistic story
At least it's accurate
das rite
XD
Can't believe they spent 100$ million dollars just to give us another episode of expleened. Well done.
Worth eevery peeny.
A sacrifice they were willing to make.
100 million dollars to create pure distilled cringe, worth it.
they didn't. they spent $100 million
100 mil to have a game with white woman + black new york man lore because OF COURSE.
Olivia got what she deserved. Not just because she was a thief, but a liar as well. She literally said she'd keep the town safe while Fray was gone.
Damn right.
Two mortal sins in Scythian culture.
Our only condolence is that she currently burns in the fires of hades for her crimes
she's the true villain of the story, I'm glad she was forever vanquished
If there's anything worse than a thief... it's a lying thief.
Incidentally. That Judge probably ended up with some major PTSD and spent the rest of her life thinking she failed Frey, who either commited suicide or was murdered on the streets of New York.
Like the last thing the judge knew. This clearly homeless child said "take my cat, and im gonna do the right thing"
And then just disappeared out of existence.
Wait how can it cause PTSD?
@danielsurvivor1372 Because their last encounter had her in tears as she's giving away a cat she was caring for all this time? Because. Frey is clearly alone and homeless and sounded like a girl about to do something desperate and she was never seen by the Judge again? Keep in mind, that Judge has probably been helping her for a good portion of her life, if not her whole life and clearly cared about her... but instead of letting her know she was alright, Frey sent a message to her damn cat... animal... BRILLIANT STORYTELLING!
Damn that’s pretty fucked up
@@googleisevil8958or it could be that frey got whacked by the car thing and this whole magical non sense thing is her imagination, her dream to be in a magical world like Alice. That would make a whole lot more sense.
Its also the most cop out ending you can possibly write for a setting like this. Like cool, you have all this world building but it turns out its for bullshit - Alice in Wonderland, as amazing as the setting is, doesn't have any particularly deeper meaning beyond what you're looking at, so it makes sense it could be just a bizarre dream setting. or like Samurai Jack, where - as shitty as it is - killing Aku makes all timelines vanish, which is logically consistent.@@TG-wg4tw
I love that the game tries to deliver a 'You Matter' speech like anyone could rise to greatness and just kind of... FORGOT that Fray was literally the Chosen One born into power and nobility, like her becoming a big deal is because her mom was a sorcerer-queen? Not the message they thought they were sending.
"Anyone can be anything they want to be, provided they are born into a position of advanced privilege of an elite minority," is VERY realistic storytelling, so, there's that I guess. Brilliant writing turns out...?
And she gives it to a fucking cat
Just like Naruto
@j0hnnyblade just like A LOT of fantasy chosen ones. It's hard to write likeable chosen ones since if they accept they are special then they are unlikeable assholes, and so most of the time they have to have them sort of speak like they are a regular person and that everyone else matters just as much when it is completely wrong.
It’s very common sadly. Look at bleach, one piece and Naruto. Naruto is the most obvious hypocrite with “wow, look at this loser. Can’t do shit. But anyone who tries hard enough can do anything!”
I like how this game ends with a "don't kill yourself" message because if i spent 70 bucks and 20+ hours on this game that would be my next step too
Hahajaja 😂
Frankly I think it would have been better to end on a message encouraging people to game over.
@Shenaldrac that wasn't the message at the end?
@@Shenaldracoh, young ones.
It should be "If you down on your luck and can't see the road ahead, remember you should become an hero!"
The character who was most adamant that Fray is not alone and that her life is worth living BETRAYED HER TRUST because he was a FUCKING DEMON THE ENTIRE TIME
Moral of the story: "If you're born into nobility, you can become whatever you want to be, despite your bad decisions in the past. You might even survive New York because of fate"
@@fringelordmoral of the story- when women are in charge of being gang leaders, judges, tauntas, weird city leaders, main character and more, things turn to shit. Just like wokeness!
@@dont-touch-mepg1392 You're right, patriarchy's are the only way to go. Genocide, war, questionable experiments for the sake of war. So much better.
@@dont-touch-mepg1392 What does woke mean?
@@dont-touch-mepg1392i guess all the bad leader men all of these positions who failed and was a man are also women
@hollowman9410 it means if you cut your dick off, you get to be a lady...
Frey: "I just Killed a Game Studio with my Freaking Mind!"
"I just got a whole bunch of people laid off with my freaking mind!"
I 100% have more sympathy for Sussus Amongus than for Frey. Like dude was summoned by some guys that wanted to fight some chicks and he gets broken apart and then is stuck with a bratty orphan as a companion when all he wants to do is his job.
Noteworthy: The Reddit people got genocided. Nothing left but ashes of their civilisation.
@@Warmakabig good very win 👍
The fact that he's stuck killing his own angel fellas is like, just comedically sad.
At least Sussus Amogus was appreciated by Gaius Julius Caesar and had a loving wife named Hegott Dadrip. 😢
I love the part where Frey is counting ‘1,2,3…5’ and someone goes ‘wait! Was FOUR SPOKEN?!’
I hate that this made me laugh
"Wait!! MY FORESKIN!!"
Liar. There was no dialogue this good or funny in the entire game.
and then the four spoken all over the place
fucking gem
The good ending is that frey remembers she needs to do her community service and returns to be a true hero.
Oh yeah, that I never understand. At the end she clearly can travel between worlds, yet she didn't even drop by to check on her cat (you know the one that she traded a bag of money for?) nor did she just say a few words to the only person who cared about her in America: the judge. I wouldn't blame the judge if she think Frey was gonna go off herself somewhere and probably very concerned right now.
What a POS protag.
With her magic powers she can finally stop shoplifting. So stunning and brave.
"I've done at least 2 hours of community service and NOT EVEN ONE PERSON told me I was a hero! Fuck this!"
@@Svoorhout85
-Open scene on supermarket, day
-2 young starving children are running out of the supermarket with apples in their hands, clearly malnourished
-from out of screen: "Hey! Me thinks you didn't pay for those!"
-Frey then enters the screen in front of the children, and immediately decapitates them because she does not condone theft
-She then looks at the fallen apples, and puts her hand in the air, fingers wiggling as she says "Don't mind if I do!"
-She then steals the apples and walks out of screen.
-An uneaten apple rolls into screen, and into a sewer grate, ending the scene.
@@lavans5721 "If there is one thing I can't stand, it's a thief."
The head writer of Forspoken also wrote After Earth starring Will and Jaden Smith and now everything is clear
Wow that explains alot. What a terrible movie.
He just wrote the lore, not any dialog
@@Beefyface I mean the lore for after earth is pretty damn bad too. Alltho in this generally the idea of 4 magical ladys that have specific purposes and they guard the dimension is all nice and i did like the the villain more than any of the main characters. They just really dropped the ball on the very unlikeable protagonist.
Oh my God, it all makes sense now
“I want you to be safe my child”
*sends her to New York City*
**doesn't even place her gently in front of an orphanage door or anything; just yeets her through a portal**
@@TheKenchanx Didn't even chuck her into an orphanage, or police station, or a hospital, just threw her at a bridge...
At some point you just start to question "Did they just make shit up as they went along?"
@@theotv5522 To be fair most stories are written that way, the problem is when the writer doesn't reread or adjust the story as needed to make sure the motives and dialog make sense. Which Forspoken was probably written by a bunch of unpaid interns within the span of two days.
She fucking does the Kung Pow thing when the lady throws the baby down the mountain, it's almost the exact same movement
One of my issue with Frey is that she wants to escape the life she has, but when she does, she does nothing but complain and then want to go back to the life that she tried so hard to escape from in the first place.
"man... Live suck, I'mma just jump" to "God, just lemme go back to New York so I can be miserable again and hit the pavement in Minecraft IRL"
I would say being transported to a world without electricity and magic people trying to hunt and murder me is a downgrade. I can't imagine anyone agreeing with this would last more than a day without youtube and their cat.
I mean, as much as this world sucks for her, there is no reason why the magical world couldn't be even worse. Lack of technology is a big factor obviously. Still, it is the execution that was bad.
You will never be happy unless you are with yourself
@@JokerFace090 I would. Provided I have the same superpowers.
Imagine you're the judge in this story.
You let off this obnoxious repeat offender criminal girl because it's Christmas.
She shows up at your house randomly to pawn off her cat onto you, a decade long time and money investment.
And then doesn't show up for any of her community service.
A warrant that maybe you have to sign has to go out for her arrest.
Only thing the police can conclude is that she skipped town and disappeared.
This judge now for years has this cat that will remind her why she shouldn't let criminals off easy because the last time she did they completely abused her good will.
That's legitimately the only realistic part of the entire game.
If I was the judge and she gave me the cat like that and then just disappeared, I would assume she had been murdered by a gang or something, not just gone into hiding.
You say that like the judge didn't push the cat out the door after a week.
the courthouse, not the judges house.
Honestly knowing the game im suprised she didnt go back, yell at the judge and saying that everythings her fault etc etc and for the game to act like shes completely right.
The ending of this game is so sad and tragic.
The fact that poor Susurrus has to be trapped forever inside the body of a egocentric sociopath thief truly breaks my heart!
And the egocentric sociopath thief gets regarded as a hero and seems to not really die. She doesn't suffer ANY consequences.
The most unrealistic thing about this game is that she had what looks like a purebred longhaired siamese cat as a homeless person and its fur wasnt matted and covered in shit
No literally, that cat is way too nice looking for an orphan squatter
Maybe if she became homeless again after a brief lucky streak, I could buy that
Who are u kidding. These ppl view "victim status" as a costume they can put on. No need to actually look into what life is actually like for the homeless.
@@frankensteinmd4921Take your pills
😂😂😂 exactly what i thought, those fuckers cost alot. And another thing equally unrealistic is that the cat sat in her lap for that long.
@@Nour-hh7ok My tonkinese was a lap cat. That's not hard to believe.
"I must send my daughter on planet earth so she'll be safe!"
Probably a good idea. You can send her to a nice small quiet country side-
"I'll send her to New York City!"
....... Like mother and daughter I suppose. I bet even she'd find it difficult grabbing a cat and a bag of cash at the same time.
Frey: How are they speaking English?
Cuff: They are actually speaking Rigellian. By an astonishing coincidence both languages are exactly the same.
Probably the biggest handwave in an entire game of handwaving.
I was expecting some sci-fi thing like "Having me accompany you let's you understand any foreign tongue" but I'm thinking of it in the likes of "evil taking many forms" kind of thing, because who better to understand any language so clearly as one who's basically the evil incarnate in that universe wishing to manipulate any idiot he comes across? Very subtle foreshadowing. But y'know something like that would take some thought so this is what we got instead.
and here I'm trying to write lore-friendly stuff for languages in my story. I should just do the 'because yes' reason, it seems popular these days
@@jackeroo_sundownou can always use an existing language if you don't want your characters to speak gibberish, uncommon ones such as Dutch or Norwegian.
"There's no time to explain why there's no time to explain!"
It would have been meta if Frey was sentenced to 14 hours of community service and the player had to serve it by playing this game.
There are laws against cruel and unusual punishment.
lol
The fact that this game was the debut release for the studio but did so poorly that they had to shut down in the same year is tragically hilarious
"Horrendously Sensical" is a good sum up as well, wish it'd happen to bigger companies than small ones though lol Would do more good to see them *actually* recoil and pay a price for lackluster effort/false advertising.
Honestly, it's what all developers who approve millennial dialogue/writing deserve. Give me a protagonist who doesn't make sarcastic quips interspersed with "Fuckity fuck mcmotherfuck" every 10 seconds ffs.
If you watched this story and thought to yourself "This is good! Greenlit!" you don't deserve to be in business. Holy crap, this is so hilariously bad.
Square Enix has gone 2 for 2 recently when it comes to creating a studio, having its first game bomb, and then shutting down the studio because of it (Balan Wonder world and Forspoken)
@@Alias3141 "millennial dialogue"
lol; lmao even, that shit is all GenX but keep talking out your ass
"Hey librarian lady, stop researching how to help save your people, and research how fix my problems"
"No, you're not even helping us"
"Of course I won't help you, I don't care about you. You only wanted me to help you fix your problems, you don't even care about me"
. . . .
Are we supposed to like such a hypocritical and unlikeable character?
I also hate librarian Lady trying to Gaslight her into helping them by shit talking her ... Both of them are sociopaths
@@sebastianrosenheim6196
Exactly
Their exchange is literally:
Protagonist: "I literally only care about myself! Screw all of you and solve my problem!"
Librarian: "Screw you, we don't care about your problems! Save us now dammit!"
It's like a snapshot of a toxic relationship
Yes, because the type of person that writes this kind of protagonist is writing themselves into the protagonist, meaning they actually think this is a reasonable argument.
@@Ozymandias2x
Amy Hennig, of Uncharted, wrote this game's story. Usually is considered a good writer, but maybe we were all wrong about her.
@@MarvinPowell1 This kind of wild swing is definitely concerning, if it's only her and not someone else interfering.
Tossing a baby through a portal will never not be funny.
I wish bioshock infinite was just 2 clones of booker tossing baby Elizabeth back and forth.
They stole Ray William Johnson's shtick of tossing a black baby.
C'mon, man.
Ezra Miller shoving a baby in the microwave.
Geralt in Witcher 3 throwing baby to the furnace to solve some quest
This comment deserves much better responses
Oh my God, you guys weren't kidding. It wasn't metaphorical. She LITERALLY threw her baby through the portal, without even looking at what was on the other side.
What makes it funnier is that she didn't even leave Fray with her father 💀
@@stoogemuffinstuffin8569fathers don’t matter in stories about strong women
As someone with wasted potential, I sympathize with the developers
Just go ask a judge to take care of you
@@saschaberger3212truly, they'll put a roof over your head, feed you daily, give you exercise, and a wonderful bedside window to a wonderful sight of the prison courtyard
This is now my favorite insult.
Well they were the one who made FF15
Their RNG of having a good leader is quite bad
@@MaxLittleBuddyhey ff15 is better than foreskin, man i miss my bros 😢
Gotta play it again
"Why would I give my child to one of my friends in either worlds, or even her father, when I can just chuck her through a portal ?" - Tanta Cinta, Mother of the Year awardee.
"You know what would be a great idea ? Sealing the entirety of a demon inside of me when a part of him sealed in an item was enough to drive the greatest sorceresses to madness." - Frey, Keeper of the Plot Armor.
"Hey Cat ! I'm telepathically talking to you so you can pass on a message to Judge Judy. Why am I not directly talking into her mind ? Because I feel like a cat that can't talk would be a better messenger." - Frey, Tanta of Intelligence.
The plot of this game only happens because every single person in it is absolutely braindead.
to be fair, if a voice in your head told you they were the girl who had so much potential, would you believe it?
“Hey cat! Remember me? The woman you bonded with and are probably traumatized over losing? Yeah, I’m okay, you’ll just never see me again!” ~ Frey , Loving Cat Owner
“Did I just do that? Ignore the magic bracelet who said we did, I did that” - Frey, Ruler of Narcissismland
Yeah that problem with the cuff really bugged me. Four experienced magic witches with potentially decades of experience turned completely bonkers evil in ~20 years from just wearing a _part_ of him as a bracelet, and this random kid who only found out she had powers like an hour ago and only knew magic existed for like a week absorbs the entire demon??
She never knew her father because he went out to buy some milk and never come back.
Thank you for playing Forskin, this is truly one of the game
WOAH! DID I JUST HEAR THAT!? HE SAID THE "F" WORD!!!
i just blew a job…. with my fricking mind!
Can’t wait for the sequels Foreskin: UNCUT and Foreskin: The Circumcision.
Truly one of the games of all time
@@Guardian978 Don't you people ever get tired of repeating the same lines over and over and over again? You're not kids any more - think of new words.
the court scene in first minute if the game shows how out of touch writers were. she wears a hat at court, court is xmas eve with just a judge and 2 cops, she has 3 plus felonies and walks away after Sassing the judge
Yes but she's also a woman
@@WreckItRolfe *black
that's how it's done in NYC nowadays - charges get dropped or reduced to nothing
@@katejeronimoonly if you're black though, gatta love race based decisions.
It's lucky that none of the Tantas ever mentioned that Frey's bracelet was a demon, because otherwise we wouldn't have gotten that dramatically-appropriate twist in the third act.
You might think that Tantas would at least anticipate the demon trying to corrupt them and implement some safety measures. Or at least tell their subordinates "Oh, BTW if I ever show up acting all crazy, DON'T LISTEN TO ME"
"you are a demon"
"No I'm not!"
"I'm not talking to you I'm talking to the demon on your arm"
Or that society has been governed by woman so long it’s literally become corrupted
It’s also equally lucky that Cuff decided three kills into his list of four revenge targets to randomly betray Frey and temporarily remove her powers when she was still up for killing tantas and that it happened at a time and in a manner where Frey was still on guard and extremely suspicious. Heck he doesn’t even try to trick Frey into thinking him suddenly obtaining humanoid form was a good thing.
@@pokerface4396 "Hey, how about we just toss these bracelets into like tough metal vaults and toss them in the ocean or a volcano or seal them away with our godlike magic?"
"Nah let's wear them 24/7 and be corrupted like a bunch of Gollums"
I love how she's finally able to contact the *one* person whom cared enough to spare her and take in her only pet. To assure them that she didn't skip town or die in an unnamed ditch. AND SHE TALKS TO THE FUCKING CAT.
like that guy in system shock that calls his wife on his last moments to have her tell his cat that he loves it. but that was intended to be comedic, and i get the feeling this game was serious about it
This game is so cringe.
she can open portals willy-nilly but leaves her cat with a stranger permanently. wow
Probably to avoid she losing her shit ebcause magic and stuff
I seriously thought she transitioned into a monologue but I got whiplash when it focused back in on the cat. Also was that apartment a reused asset from the dream sequence??
Funny how cuffs "punishment" is basically to have to go back to being stuck with Frey. Its almost like they knew she was insufferable. Lastly i cant believe she ditched the cat. She learned nothing and kept abandoning anyone who somehow didnt absolutely hate her.
She didn't even pay the gangsters.
Its fine. The cat is probably better off not being with Frey. Im glad Homer is with someone that seems to be a caring human being
@@EurrikkeEdward agreed
The bitch didn't even do her 120 hours community service
you are more insufferable but ok
You know what sucks? Is that Freya's character could have easily been fixed and the story make more sense by just having cuff be with her for her whole life in New York. Being the only thing she had with her since birth it holds sentimental value to her so she always keeps it with her, unaware that the Cuff's anger and hatred is corrupting her which leads her to being so abrasive and hate-filled and into a life of crime. You can sometimes have her be nice so it now shows her true character, that despite Cuff negative influence she still has enough goodness in her to overcome their vices occasionally, instead of using her occasional niceties to present her as an "uwu misunderstood". It'll even make the ending more palpable, where despite Cuff's betrayal and constant attempts on her and her loved ones lives, she still wants to work things out with him and go back to the way things were because that's how deeply those Cuffs meant to her which only heightens through the journey they went on.
Yeah that would have been far more interesting. Should have at least implied the cuff was making her do all the bad stuff in new york. I just think it was a big mistake to make the protagonist unlikeable, arrogant and selfish even tho i guess she was homeless so it makes sense she is all that but who wants to watch a person like that? I mean did she have any other redeeming qualities than she took care of a cat? Also they killed the criminal kid too early she should have realized herself that stealing is bad and teach it to the kid. Also why did she even want to go back to her home when she was in the fantasy land if she was literally just about to do a sudoku before she was sent to the fantasy land. Maybe the whole story is just her dying brain on the pavement imagining a nicer ending.
So, they made a game about a schizophrenic thief who talks to her wrist and "travels" to magic places?
I could go downtown and see this IRL
They'd shank you regardless.
I still can’t get over the fact, the judge expecting this brave, beautiful, black queen to take responsibility.
racist criminal justice system confirmed
Probably where they got the game idea lmao
IT WAS ALL A DREAM
SUPER NINTENDO SEGA GENESIS
Oh my god, this story of this game is literally, literally the exact fucking same as Amulet. A book series made for children.
I should note, however, that in Amulet the twist about the magic McGuffins being evil was revealed in the first book, which is hilarious because apparently, a book series made for children respected their readers' intelligence more than this game for adults does.
Also, amulet's dialogue doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon.
Oh Amulet, I remember that. It was such a great series. Also had a better protagonist though I suppose that is a pretty low line.
it would be much much forgivable if the demon still maintain his calmness after he reveal himself.
maybe even strike a deal with her. Like "i'll help you return to real life after i absorbed Cinta's power and here are some gold, you can sell em when you're back to your world and start over". its just there are so many things that can be done better.
@@blackforest1646 From what I remember the amulets did that as well (though it has been a while) & it did create a more interesting dynamic between the hero & effectively the 'villain' of the story.
So yea ur prolly right.
That's funny because as I was trying to be positive about the story I got the impression it'd be great for a YA novel like a Percy Jackson type thing but not as a AAA game lol
Holy shit, I never realized that until now. And I read those books all the time in middle school!
That cat is the MVP in this game. No cringe dialogue and totally adorable.
The fluffiest thing ever, one of the best cats in video games it’s so cute
I cried at the end only because SHE LEFT HER!
I have a cat who has a bond with me that is much like the one portrayed between Frey and her cat, here.
The few times I’ve left for a while and come back, I’ve gotten the warmest welcome back ever from my cat. She does miss me, to the point where a camera I had left in the house caught her waiting at the door for me to come back in.
Leaving an animal with a bond like that does, in fact, stress the animal out! She doesn’t even visit afterwards. The poor thing just hears her voice and is left to stare sadly out the window wondering where her person is and why she was left with this stranger!
The Cat would have saved the bag of money First
hi reddit
Say what you want about the budget of this game, but the salary of whoever who did the cat modelling was money well spent.
I genuinely cant believe that because frey has no actual friends in new york, her whole "You're not alone, so don't give up even if you have nothing to live for" speech is to her CAT.
Its not even her cat anymore either 😂
Multiple courtroom scenes, and you can tell the writers have NEVER been inside a courtroom. $100 million well spent.
They werent but they've seen multiple courtroom scenes from Adam Sandler's movies
Honestly out of everything, that's one of the things that pissed me off the most. "How do you plead?" "Not guilty!" "OK I sentence you to 120h of community service!" like wtf? how did they write that?
When the judge says
“ Sooner or later, you have to take responsibility for your actions”
The writers obviously never been to Chicago, New York or any 3rd world African nation
My favourite bit is they put "IN GOD WE TRUST" behind the judge. That's very rarely found at all in modern courtrooms, much less behind the judge (it's generally in the lobby, if anywhere). I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's become exceedingly rare in favor of "Those Who Labour Here Seek Only Truth". This is ESPECIALLY true in New York.
This is something they could have figured out by looking at any pictures of a NY courtroom. But it's not, meaning they didn't even do that and just did the entire design based on how they figured it'd look in their heads.
EDIT: This has also been in the news, because you have a bunch of people who want to bring IN GOD WE TRUST back. They really did 0 research, didn't they?
No it was Christmas dude didn't you even watch the scene
tis the season, ur just a hater ass humbug tbh I commit my crime sprees in December too and they ALWAYS give me my milk and cookies
So, Frey's motivation for 80% of the game is just
"I need to go back to New York, that place where I have no money and no place to live; the place where people want to kill me, and almost managed to do so; the place where I was about to jump off a building like 10 minutes before getting sucked through a portal; because ThAt'S mY hOmE!"
At least New York has Wi-Fi.
The true moral of this game is that New Yorkers are too stupid to be alive
It makes the whole Alice in Wonderland scene BS too. Lol it’s like she basically won the lottery and then is like “I don’t want this money, I LOVE being homeless!”
They must had realized they screwed up with that plot point. On Isekai stories a common trope is that the protagonist does goes back to their original world but despite the fondness they have for it they realize their life in the new one is way better, Frey kinda has that when she "revisits" NY but instead of revisiting her actual life they had to make her hallucinate a completely different one because it would have looked straight up ridiculous she going back to being a homeless, loner thief with a target on her back and realizing Athia was a far better home.
To be fair, even in Athia a lot of folks wanted her dead, plus having to deal with the apocalypse is also kinda stressful. I personally would have stayed in Athia, purely because it wasn't winter in there.
Man I find it funny how the ONE moment you can agree with Frey is the "she went too far" moment that the writers expect you to not support her in
People who write/approve stuff like this have no real-life experience or sense of morality.
Such are the consequences of hiring indoctrinated children right out of their shitty college dorms or out of a “””””writer’s”””” guild.
Frey felt like she's written by a bunch of disconnected boomers imagining what zoomers would act/think
@@theotv5522 Boomers write way better than this. This has got millennial stain all over it (and I'm saying this as a young millennial. 😕)
@@theotv5522 I remember my sister reading an interpretation of norse mythology written by a boomer trying to appeal to zoomers/mellenials. Every character was either gender fluid or trans for no reason. She barely made it a few chapters before putting it down and reading another interpretation. Tip for writers, write what you would read not what you think others would read.
@@Logan-zp8biI mean... Norse, Greek, and Roman mythology are all pretty full up with queer, genderless, gods, having sex with literally everything they set eyes on.
I actually think a better ending would have been: Frey is full of anger and is very self absorbed. So rather than the traditional redemption by saving the day arc, Frey gives in to her true nature and joins Mr. Sus-cuff. She has more connection to the only entity which has ever made her feel powerful, she is indifferent to the people of Athia and resents her mother for abandoning her so given the chance she turns on them. Her personality is closer to a villain than a reluctant hero anyway. So instead of the story being "she never dealt with any of her issues or learned to be a better person but she's the hero because she's special" it could be "she gave into her nature and was ultimately more drawn to power, getting what she feels she's owed and revenge."
I think it would have been even better to have her turn villain and cuff be a good guy. He encourages her to absorb the Tanta power because he thinks it will help fix the corruption, but she just enjoys being powerful, and becomes even more self centred as she gets more powerful. After the final Tanta, when she learns that her mother was a Tanta, she banishes Cuff from her arm. The townspeople have to go back to the opposing side from the prior war, and ask them to re-summon Cuff in his angelic form, because if they don't, Frey will destroy both of them, so despite being life-long enemies, they combine forces, re-summon Cuff, and you play as him with the Tanta powers for the final fight.
If you really want to pussy out you can have him just beat the corruption part and she returns to normal, agreeing to take the role her mother did as protector, or go full Shadow of the Colossus, and have Cuff fully beat her, trapping her into some similar accessory as he used to be, then taking up the mantle as protector. You can even weasel it into being woke "it's a story of how the oppressed villagers used their cultural traditions to defend themselves from a tyrant who only had power because they were born into it as a child of a monarch".
Would work especially well if you lean into, like you said, her feeling betrayed by her mother for not protecting her as a child, so she takes her mothers powers to attack Athia, because her mother chose Athia over her. You can even have Cuff begin with bad intentions, but as he sees Frey clearly losing control, has to course-correct because she's a bigger threat. Would be interesting to have him trying to convince the Athians to re-summon him in his powerful angelic form, with them being worried that the "demon" is just trying to trick them into giving it back it's power, but also feeling like they have no choice because he's the only thing strong enough to stop a fully-powered Tanta, as shown in the past. Give Audrey some payoff by having her fathers research actually be about re-summoning Cuff, and he was exiled for it, but it turns out he was right all along that they may need Cuff's power one day. You can even have her show up when both sides are arguing about if they should empower Cuff and give her argument all "My father died for this, looking for a way to protect us, I refuse to have his work go to waste. He may have died, but that doesn't mean we have to." sort of thing. Would even add a personal touch to Frey's defeat that her only 'friend' in town was the one who was the deciding factor in her downfall.
@@Winasaurus oh wow, that 1000% would have been way better! That would be a genuinely interesting story
if only you were the writer for this game. thats a great idea
@@Winasaurus
That honestly sounds awesome
And she gets her ass sealed by the witches and returns as a baby in an empty valley with no escape, full of giant collapsed statues that used to roam around like they were alive but they were just possessed, like in shadow of the colossus.
Frey's whole wanting to go home would make more sense if she specified that it's because she misses her cat. There is literally like no other reason to want to return to new york.
what if she _wanted_ to spend 120 hours doing community service
In her case, or in any case.
Gotta get that 'za.
You dont need "literally" or "like" in that sentence. Sounds like something the "protagonist" of this game would say.
Well, she didn't want to stay in a land willing to kill her tho, nor was she probably into the murder the witches plan, so it made sense that she still wanted to go back to escape that.
Well, would have made sense if she said any of it. In fact, she's actually into the witch murder plan before the third witch, but she still wants to go back because ???? Hello????? Fray??? Why????
"I wish i could go down a rabbit hole" but then when it actually happens and shes a chosen one with powers, spends the entire time complaining and trying to return to her burned out abandoned building.
The thing that bugged me the most was that cuff didnt even need to lie to hide his grand scheme because frey wasnt even curious what the talking magical artifact bound to her was trying to do, she never even asked.
She was way too self-absorbed.
Infact. You could have the tantas point out the fact that amulet is evil, and she would just be like "you just want to take my powers away" because she sees that they also have it.
@@Xenozillex she legit would have said that.
She literally said "my powers are gone" when cuff did the big reveal even though it was clearly cuff doing the magic the whole time.
There NEEDS to be a 30 minute "Question, Mark?" follow up. I have to hear Mr Branson losing his mind over each inconsistency and plot hole.
I was really upset at no Q&A. It's what got me to push through the worst lines of dialogue and shittiest plot points.
Why didn't the Tanta's remove their cuffs and just lock them up somewhere? If Frey sealed Sus in herself, won't she eventually become corrupted too?
Same
Dude... really?
Are you willing to spend more time of your short life compared to the overall time of the rest of the universe and spend some more brain matter into Forsaken for the PS5?
@@El_AndruGo away please
I just realized something on my whatever numbered rewatch. She got home after being let off easy for stealing a car that she was being paid to do. But she is planning to leave with the money she has, meaning it's enough to leave (more than enough really). But that either means A: she got paid in advance which is just stupid on the gang member's part or B: she had enough to leave new York but decided to take a unnecessarily risky job
i wonder why she didnt just leave that night too
@@Brisk__So the movie can happen!
@@leebarbs7176 duh
I kind of assumed that money was found in the car, or something?
I'm confused, so they thought Frey was as demon because she survived the breakstorm, but somehow had no problem with aubrey's dad also surviving the breakstorm AND being marked by it???
The writers must have forgotten.
Why did no one say her apple watch was evil
It’s because Frey was wasting her potential and he wasn’t, obviously.
i guess they got over that shit real quick, they saw Frey and yelled DEMON but after that it was old news so when the dad showed up they were just like lol lame idgaf
@@peekaboo1575they forgor
Devs: We are going to make the main character a strong african american woman who fights stereotypes
Also devs: makes her a egotistical criminal..
And as someone else pointed out, make the first black kid she meets in the other world try to pickpocket her in her first scene… Yikes.
make her even worse than the stereotypes while also reinforcing the existing ones, great job
I dont see the problem?
@@F11ch she's very terrible protagonist, not exactly a crime but this game is bad enough
They made it realistic in a way.
the fact that we got a 2 hour deep-dive into this instead of another Metal Gear is something I will not be forgetting soon, Mr. Story.
It's genuinely amazing how the writers managed to make sure every single bad thing that happened benefit her in some way so she didn't have to grow as a character at all. She literally spends the whole game stealing everyone's powers, even her initial character flaw became her core character strength, including stealing the demon at the end. The plot armour is insane.
The game is like a very egotistic unpleasant person holding your hand and telling everything about herself.
In modern writing, it is very popular for writers to project themselves into the characters they create.
I'm genuinely impressed that the writers managed to make their main character speak in quips over 50% of the time.
Have you played any spider man game?
@@l3ss7han7hr33you Except it works for the wall-crawler.
Or Infamous Second Son
@@l3ss7han7hr33youAt least its in character for spider-man, bit of a stretch though
I’d be impressed if they did it and also made a successful game. Any numbskull can write a main character says “poop comes from butts” in a game that sold 3 copies because 2 people were too lazy to get refunds and 1 was the creator’s mother who doesn’t own any game systems or even a computer
Wow the story was beyond stupid. This whole "no matter how unimportant you feel, you still matter to someone" is so vain. Frey didn't matter to anyone until she magically got super powers and they needed her. The people she saved couldn't even be bothered to take in a HOMELESS child, yet still for some reason they expect Frey to care for them?! Fucking bonkers man.
Frey didn't even change her personality, she was arrogant and the start and was still at the end (she bragged about her status to her CAT ffs)
The moral of the story is basically "if you are born into the right family, you are important and will lead, regardless of your skills"
That's how they write a "strong" female character. Women don't rise to power. They had the power all along. The story is just other characters realizing how great she always was.
@@miketurner2095 I wonder if the 34th cosmic law has applied and she has had the real female experience...
the judge at least cared about her to an extent, she was so fed up with her and still gave her chance after chance. you dont get such sweetheart deals unless you are the presidents son
This is because the writers own beliefs bleed through. The woke leftest types are generally soulless and they worst type of person.
Back off, people, Frey is spoken for
Has she been spoken for before? Has she been forespoken for?
@@BarakehYep that was in fact their joke
Freyspokened
not bad
Get out of here
So she really went to New York, saw the people getting shot, stabbed, doing drugs, shitting behind dumpsters, pissing into the gutters and thought
“Big buildings cool, what if this, but in my dimension”
She was really into the one night stand culture of new york.
You know a story is well-written when the genocidal villain is more sympathetic than the hero
And is probably the best character.
@@antifurryfoundation55 he is, I mean if you think about it, the Tantas only said that they waged war with the country of the past and who knows that Tantas might be lying to cover up their invasion(remember that after they sealed susurus, the tanta elders literally took the vambraces on themselves instead of simply destroying them, which made me suspicious that they want to harness his power for themselves instead later on), the attacked kingdom might have summoned susurus to battle the Tantas because they don't wanna get invaded due to how powerful the elders are(and they were right, not even susurus can stand up to them), not to mention he is actually still trying to accomplish his mission given to him even after being sealed which made him the most determined character throughout the whole game, got stuck with frey long enough before finally released from his seal(dude's literally got the patience of a saint, if it were me I'd find some nobody instead who wont at least spew bullshits and berating me for no good reason), and susurus still got shat on by plot armor later on because the writers don't know how to make a compelling story
Cuff/susurus is definitely a tragic main character in my book instead of an antagonist
@@oniplus4545 well, he admitted himself that he was a demon summoned to kill everyone in that area. Still best character.
@@antifurryfoundation55His name has “sus” in it, and is a twist villain.
He su(ck)s, just like this game.
@@antifurryfoundation55
Dude was just doing a job so he go back home and play some Decent Games but apparently that’s a lot to ask for.
I like how at the end (1:47:50), she tells Cuff / Vambrace that "You're not alone, even when you think you are."
And yet, throughout the game, she dismisses all the help he provided her, undermines any credit for her accomplishments, AND straight up tells him that she's okay with him being a meaningless bauble that gets buried with her.
That dude has been completely alone while stuck on your arm throughout the entirety of the runtime. Don't give him the "you matter" speech when he never mattered to you until he took away all your powers.
yea, the villian stuck with an unlikable protag is actually the most relatable one.
Girl downright shat on Vambrace (Cuff? Susurrus?) the entire fucking time and was surprised Pikachu face when he betrayed her IMMEDIATELY? Like he didn’t even wait until the last Tanta was dead so he could utterly ravage Athia, but wanted out from being near Frey so fast he revealed everything early.
You can tell a tiny bit of that was personal.
They unironically tried to do Grimoire Weiss from Nier. Except while Weiss being pompous is really endearing because you can tell he actually cares and his whole arc is about learning to put himself on the line for other people, Vambrace is just an evil dick that was using Fray all along and it's obvious that they don't really like eachother. So when it comes to them having an emotional moment or whatever it's like "... Wait, weren't you a prick...? Why should I care again.....?"
There's just never that endearing human side to them that the writers seem to think they put there. Sure, he saves you, but he's always obviously just concerned about himself, so it falls super flat.
That and like, he straight up didn't do anything to warrant being shat on like that iirc
Could you imagine... in that scene in which Cuff reveals his true nature, he proceeds to pull Frey apart and end her story then and there for good, lol..
Ah.. what bliss that would be..
I like how the dude judge is portrayed as a crazy mean paranoid but he ends up being right basically
unintentionally based like the barbie movie
There's a tendency of these people to put the right words in the mouths of the "wrong people"
@@thefool8224 not sure about that
I thought it was incredibly hamfisted that the one white guy on the council is a hysterical loon while the diversity squad are reasonable, ask questions, and are even somewhat kind to someone who may very well be a demonic invader.
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Nah, it's certain.
I love how she is squatting in an abandoned building with functioning electricity and a thousand dollar cat.
Well she obviously stole the cat so at least that part was plausible.
So, gang members break into Frey's flop house, take time to spray paint a window, and seriously, they don't look around her sparse furnishings to notice a duffle bag filled with thousands of dollars? Wouldn't it have added a tad of tension for Frey to awake to those gals ripping her off, maybe threatening her cat, and then setting the fire? I'm just expecting too much from these writers.
WHy wouldn’t they go in and threaten her more and take the cat and money? That way she is really pressured to get the car back. If they just burn her alive then they don’t get the car and their boss will kill them.
@@thebiggestpanda1I assume the boss was fed up with Frey and just put a hit out on her after the pocket sand
Them taking the money would have honestly made more sense.
Well, you just answered youe own question.
That would require paying the animators to make that sequence, might as well cut corners.
Frey's personality would be better understood if she had a fulfilling life in the real world and was dragged by the cuff to fantasy land, that would explain why she would want to return so much.
"I wish I could go down a rabbit hole"
*goes down rabbit hole*
"I wish I didn't go down a rabbit hole"
Make up your mind!
Tbf, many people who wish for things wished they didn’t wish for them, it’s a common trope in stories for millennia. Not that that fully excuses the bad writing…
It's like the writers copied the usual 'isekai' story line but forgot they also wrote her real life reality being the shittiest ever. Who would want to go back to being a homeless in NY running away from a street gang after going to a fantasy world? LOL
Yeah maybe a sheltered rich kid instead. Would be interesting.
"I want to return to being a homeless criminal in New York being hunted and nearly killed by gangs" is one hell of a motivation.
Is it me or did Frey only change her mind to save Athia because she found out that it was her “home”
And she only started to care about the people because she found out she is a magic princess and they are her subjects
@@shanebryant799Exactly 😂😂😂
The whole motivation was because of a random child that happens to teach her crafting tutorial for like 10 minutes and the whole game is Frey being rent-free obsessed over this dead child. And when I play it I just burst out laughing when they're mourning over this dead child while there're still corpses left rotting in the street.
Why didn't anyone tell her the smart watch as evil
Pretty much. I get that it's meant to be a whole "This place is somewhere you have a connection to, actually" thing, but her entire problem was "This isn't my home, I don't care about it", and then because it happened to be her home she suddenly started caring. It's meant to show that she's changed but it just implies she would have probably bolted if her mom didn't happen to be a Tanta in the end.
also the main villain isnt really even a villain, he's literally just doing what he was hired to do. but we wanna take the moral highground and take a side
"Just following orders" doesn't really excuse murdering civilians.
I do agree that the story needed some more moral greyness and in my head canon all the little birds that fly around Sussybaka all represent prayers of the murdered Redditors, making him the embodiment of their grudges towards the power hungry Athian invaders.
@@Edagui97 Sure it does, if that's what you're ordered to do.
@@Edagui97 You can not serve The Emperor
Character is a thief looking for a better life
Doesn't change just steals money
Gets sent to fantasy world
Steals from the locals who hate her
Steal power from witches to get stronger
Greatest narrative in gaming, strong woman/10
Gotta play to your strengths I guess.
Why do you people always moan about muh strong woman trope? Do you want to live in Saudi Arabia?
- watch the new spidervers movie
- introduce new african american character
- he starts stealing
I wonder if they have a hidden meaning or something
@@kiwikemist
There's no property tax in Saudi Arabia
@@JohanRealman so now you christian theocrats love islam now? lmfao. y'all should be sent to a gulag
The thing about this game is that I’m sure the Japanese developers earnestly wanted to appeal to western audiences, but they didn’t realize that Hollywood writers don’t know what western audiences respond to either lmao.
Promoting homelessness and self unaliving?
japanese game devs and embarrassing attempts at pandering to western audiences
you'd think they'd gotten over it 20 years ago
@@sdaniaalHell yeah dude, the American dream baby
I love how so many people's responses are that its always the Jap devs trying to appeal to "western audiences(America isnt a part of the west btw)" and not them just making shitty decisions for a shitty game. It's NEVER the fault of the japanese always someone else's
Goddamn weebs like you are why the industry is broken
99% sure this game was written by AI
My favorite part was when she is given a tiny hood to conceal her face, but she is still wearing her clothes from Earth which look nothing like the local garb and make her stand out like a sore thumb.
I liked the part where she tries to push on the doors of a kingdom that is openly being threatened by magical death and there's not a single person there to ask what she's doing and who she is
And then they didn't just immediately arrest her again or raise the alarm when they noticed she was gone. Meanwhile, she ditched the hood 30 seconds after walking outside to no consequences whatsoever.
I legitimately lost my shit for a good five minutes when she first arrived through the portal in the ruined castle. There was a fully intact chandelier with glass and chains and shit, *just hanging there normally.* Not cockeyed. Undamaged. In a demolished room. Next to a massive hole in the roof. And we later catch glimpses of chandeliers that _did_ fall to the floor in far less ruined buildings. *That shit is just as uncanny as the autist.*
Oh yeah then immediatly takes it off in the busiest square in town surrounded by guards, who do nothing about it.
My favorite part was
"We have monsters at our gates! Of course I switched from being a blacksmith to an archivist! How else could I help the city?"
😂 This game sure is
Maybe she implied she was so shait at making weapons it was better to leave that job to someone else.
@@Jebu911I mean... I'm sure are reasons _she_ couldn't make it as a blacksmith 🤷🏻♀️
@@the_absurd_hero she kept eating all the swords
I love how Frey telepathically monologs to Homer as if her cat's a person and promises to come get her instead of using her inherited portal ability to actually...y'know...get the cat.
Yeah cant she just take stuff from New York, get some Taco Bell and come back
She is clearly able to do so, she even does it _in the game_ so it's not even implied or anything. She could go and grab her cat in like 30 seconds with a portal but she just talks to it with her mind
@@erihgioqe3798too bad she can't actually talk to the cat like in bg3
@@erihgioqe3798 Perhaps she has figured out there are no cats and Homer would be both very lonely, and very invasive for 1 generation!
Or the writers wanted the ending to be a little sadder(?).
@@sephtis then just like, get some cats from shelters and bring them too?? I'm sure the people would love having some around, and it adopts them from shelters
I'm struck by the unavoidable realization that Sussy Rus would have gotten everything he wanted- and in record time- if he'd just refrained from being an extra dickhead to Tanta Santa. He's got his tendrils into the four most powerful women in the land, he is steadily and unavoidably corrupting each of them, driving them mad. Instead of continuing on with this plan that is not only good, it is INEVITABLY SUCCESSFUL, he decides "You know what'd be cool? Lets stop corrupting one of the powerful ladies and follow this baby through the portal." And then he languishes in New York for 21- almost 22- years until Frey puts him on, and has to fight himself repeatedly.
You know what's a lot faster? Keep going with Plan A, let the Tantas murder each other after you've corrupted them, then continue doing whatever it is you're going to do. If you really must track down Tanta Santa's spawn (who really doesn't count as being a citizen of Fantasy Athens by that point, but whatever), just finish wiping the world clean, THEN go after her as the final mop-up. But no, I guess the opportunity to pull a pointless evil was too... TANTAlizing. Ayyyyyy
Also side-note, but did she slap a nametag on that bundle of baby before she yeeted her into a New York city street? It sounds like Alfre was her real name, how'd that end up translating with that abandoned child?
Unfortunately, you've put far more thought into this game with those three paragraphs than the writers ever did in their entire script.
So many people are making good observations about this dogshit story. Why the fuck would he go into some portal to another dimension? On the off chance that Frey puts him on? What if she moved to a different state? Which she would have done if not for that fire. Sus' plans were a day away from being foiled and he would have be stuck in an abandoned building forever. What if Frey got hit by a bus? Or stabbed by a crackhead?
How about that he could have easily won had he just opened a portal after "revealing" himself? She would have gladly thrown herself into it without a second thought.
@@Kanaleah it works just was missing some details to fill in some those wait but if A
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 i feel like my brain just broke
It was very brave of Square Enix to make the main moral lessons for the protagonist to learn be “it’s ok for my African-American father to be an absentee” and “a horrifying fantasy world where most things want to kill you is better to live in than New York”
black girl magic
Also "we want to appeal to the African-American audience so we made the protagonist a criminal"
@@mrbigglezworth42 A criminal with a nice shoe collection. I'm surprised she wasnt trying to start up a rap career.
@@EbonMaster gotta save something for the sequel
@@mrbigglezworth42 they wanted to make it relatable.
The terrible writing is even funnier in light of all the Sweet Baby stuff
Career criminal being let out with no jail time or having to post bond in New York City? Most realistic game ever.
GTA is okay if it's almost your birthday.
My parents never got me GTA for my almost birthday :/
@@DILFDylF me too had to beg for free roaming games that if it even had a HINT of fighting the police would not get it (but Simpsons Hit and run was okay to play smh)
It's a good thing she used her telepathy to give a "you matter" speech to her fucking cat. Thing was depressed as hell living in the home of a financially stable person who feeds her regularly.
The cuff being an ancient magical spirit who wants to kill the Tantas makes him a very appealing character because the whole game the Tantas did nothing but being evil (and cringe) and the cuff kept sharing his powers with the player, a semi competent writer would have let the player side with the cuff in an aditional ending in which you have another point of view...
Buuut, the reason the Tantas are evil is the cuff, and Cuff is just using Frey to kill them all and assemble himself again
Nah theres no saving this game. No matter what you do it’ll have to be a complete tear down and re-evaluation
@@ivygreenleaf2722Literally the whole game the Tantas can just go “Hey kid, did you know that cuff is evil and is using you? I’m also it’s victim btw. Why don’t you let me take him off and I’ll also send you back to where you came as a bonus”
But nah, generic evil big bad rant is more appealing see.
If I'm not mistaken they are under some kind of mind control of sorts, they can't tell her that. And also I believe OP meant that it would be interesting for you to have the option to side with cuff at the end, before finding out he is evil and it's all his doing
@@geegeep The cuff is not evil tho, he was enslaved by the Rheddig because they needed help to survive against the Tantas, Then he was enslaved by the tantas, and they killed all his people, Hell the Tantas are really shit people just like Frey, Her mother literally gives her to a foster home and gaslights her into thinking it was a good idea instead of giving Frey to her father.
Susurrus is the good guy in this game. Prove me wrong.
Judges do not walk out the frint if the courthouse into a pitch black night soecifically because defendants come looking for them, not usually to give them cats
Thats just one of the many plotholes in this swiss cheese story.
the part that makes me angriest is that cuff's metallic angel design is actually really cool. poor guy deserved a better game
For real 😔
And a better name, who the fuck calls their final bad guy Susurrus and expect us to take this seriously
@@2006HondaCivicDthis sus is surely us
The part that makes me angriest is they purposely made the white girl ugly.
@@2006HondaCivicDthat's actually a great word though.
Frey reminds me of a DnD group trying their hardest to get kicked out of the campaign the overly-optimistic DM spent SO MUCH TIME on; the NPCs haul ass bending over backwards to progress the story in spite of the genuinely unlikable player behaviour. The boss fights keep happening AT Frey in an attempt to keep the players engaged, while they openly justify why their characters don't care and would just bee line it home.
She's only unlikeable if you THINK about it and realize that stealing is bad, being a dick to people is bad, etc.
If you FEEL your way through, you'll realize that she's the main character and she gets to steal, cheat, do collateral damage and be an asshole to anyone and they aren't allowed to get mad. "Oh you killed us? Actually, you did us a favor. Thank you. I wanted to die, so I can give you my powers. No, I like being dead it's all I fucking wanted."
It's basically a power fantasy, except with emotional power.
I wonder if a woman wrote this.
I'm honestly gobsmacked with that last battle with the Tanta. "I don't WANT to go fight another lady. I WANT to see my mum." *blacksout*
I've been that DM before, feelsbadman 😢
@@AnarchistGrandpa When I used to play with friends we had a few guys like that. What I would do is immediately manufacture the game so they died, then resurrect them as an npc that did shit I knew they would hate. If they wanted back in, I'd kill the character again and resurrect again under their control. And then it would be nothing but an endless cycle of death for that person from then on.
It actually worked out really well a couple of times, too. One decided to turn evil and tried to fight the DM (me), and the campaign sort of twisted him as an empathetic antagonist trying to free himself from the shackles of a god that had preordained his rise and defeat, making the other player characters into holy warriors againt him. Another time I gave the perpetual die-er a chance to sacrifice himself in the end so the rest of the party could live through the final battle, and he did it. Got them both into the game by pissing them off lol
@@jimmybean420there are players that like to, as I call it, take the piss. Their soul goal is to not play nice and to make the DM's job a living hell by doing absolutely everything but follow the story or world rules. Basically an entire party of "I'm the main character so I can do whatever I want to"
All of the Tantas had parts of the demon in bracelets they could take off, and they still ended up getting corrupted. So what does our hero do? Take the entire demon inside of herself, permanently. Someone cue the Always Sunny theme.
Scolled down WAY too far for this. Like most stuff is eye rolling or excusable, but that’s literally the central twist of the entire game and they had the same conclusion….I just cant event imagine….
@@5hirtandtieler Well those where 4 people far apart and now its 5 people in one condensed form so it would be harder for Vambrace to do anything an if she needed too she could just off them both by suicide
She never played Diablo 1 or 2.
@druidofscosglen2868 how is that a cop out that just makes sense he has far less wiggle room
but Sussy angel became a good boy in the end! The power of friendship prevailed over the power of summoning a demon that's supposed to enact justice for genocide! YAY
Cinta literally BLINDLY THREW HER INFANT DAUGHTER INTO ANOTHER WORLD? Didn't drop her off at a house. Didn't leave her with an Athian in New York she could trust.
Just toss the baby, good luck kiddo.
That is almost as stupid as Cinta turning into a dragon.
A perfect time to remind people that, if we actually chose the ending based on Frey's personality and character arc, the ending where Athia dies and she returns broke and homeless to New York is canon.
Literally not true, the DLC confirms that the girl who risked her life to save people several times chose to save everyone in the end.
@@valdish9620 Who is this girl you speak of? A new character in the DLC? They should've included her in the main story. smh
@@valdish9620imagine arguing over this game ahahah
Did you miss the part where she becomes disillusioned with that attitude? That's kind of the whole point of the illusion section (yes it is that on the nose).
@@valdish9620 stop making stuff up, liar 🤢🤢🤮
I find all her generic cookie cutter motivational bull at the end amusing. All that "you matter, you are important" crap coming from someone who's only saying that instead of being a stain on the pavement by now, because she was lucky enough to be the child of an interdimensional wizard. Moral of the story: Be born important.
"she is guilty of grand larceny for a fifth time. well happy birthday and merry christmas youre free to go do it again."
-in our world from a judge that personally knows the defendant
"execute her"
"no judge, she can help us"
"no judge, she is evil"
"ah yes two very good arguments"
-the court of a land with magic, with multiple witnesses who saw her talking to someone they couldnt see or hear.
wtf did the famous she-hulk writers write these courtroom scenes?
To be fair, women do get lighter sentences and NYC is infamous now for its revolving-door arrest policy and no-cash bail system.
Frey was also ironically safer in a medieval kingdom besieged by demons than New York City 2023
The most accurate part was the NY judge giving a slap on the wrist.
She hulk is genuinely waaaaaay better written than this
Not actually that different from current day New York.
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You are _not wrong._ *And that fact scares me.*
I love how hard the game pushes strong female characters and feminism yet you can basically boil the plot down to "we left a bunch of women in charge and everything went to shit"
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i wouldnt mind a game with prevalent matriarchal themes, if they did it right. this is just a shitty game with a half baked story and an agenda
@@embodimentofgreatness5514 yeah for sure, like the Asari in mass effect kinda ruled the galaxy so that was kinda a matriarchy and no one cared because they are hot and not pushing woke BS
Is that the plot of the game or the story of Disney the past few years?
What gets me the most is how the dialogue in this game undermines the world design. How are you supposed to get invested in this fantasy world if the main character treats it like a stupid joke the whole time?
I mean, that's the obvious thing, but the writing is so much worse than that. It's not just that it's a joke, it's that the character is self-absorbed, selfish, has no respect for anyone and the writing tries to say she's actually an honorable person. Her change of mind to care and help was not caused by any self-reflection or emotional growth, but because she learned that the people were _her_ people and she was a magic princess and they were her subjects.
And there's even more about her personality and situation to talk about besides just this aspect. Literally a garbage human, but they want you to be like her; See her as a role model. Like at the end when she's talking to her cat telapathically, she's all like "WOW I'M SO IMPORTANT NOW LOOK AT ME" - Disgusting trait for a hero. Even at the end the cat misses her and she doesn't care about anyone but herself. Can't travel though one of your magic portals for half an hour one more time to love your cat? She's just _that_ busy in her new life as a fairy queen of a magic kingdom, huh? Don't care to let the Judge - who cared about you - Know that you're okay and you've moved on and things are good now? Just vanish and leave her hanging for the rest of her life wondering what happened, hey? I could go on for pages. Just a totally worthless, garbage person.
And the plot in general isn't totally non-nonsensical, but it's 100% reactionary, which is why characters don't behave appropriately and make unrealistic decisions, and you see this a _lot_ in writers today. And then when they are also biased by the social trends and any social messaging they feel compelled to include, you get a steaming pile of manure like this.
That's the main reason i stopped enjoying games like Borderlands or Saints Row. If the characters in the game aren't taking the situation seriously, why should I be invested?
@@UnitSe7enI like how you have ingenious protag like Gordon Freeman who is a complete mute be more likeable and a better role model than this walking zoomer stereotype.
@@jackhazardous4008 regardless the quality of their writings, Borderlands and (old) Saints Rows still "make sense" in context because their world/ setting are not taking themselves seriously. Even when the enemies are out of their mind and acting unhinged, it's mostly for humor.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Borderlands and (old) Saint Rows being really funny, I feel many of their "jokes" not hit and cringe, but they are trying to make the story "fun", unlike Forspoken.
Funny enough, Amy Hennig apparently wrote some parts of this and I can see Nathan Drake delivering some of Frey's lines well.
However, Nathan Drake is a swashbuckling competent idiot and Frey is just an idiot. A person in her position in life isn't really fit to be smug or sarcastic as she comes off as just narcissistic.
So the solution for defeating the demon that was corrupting the Tantas with a braclet was to absorb the demon inside of herself..... How is Frey not going to be corrupted? Is that the sequel? Like is the plan for her to return to New York a corrupted Tanta, then some other abandoned homeless kid to defeat her? Imagine what the judge will think when the repeat offender she let off with a warning comes back destroying buildings because "she's important now".
She's not gonna be corrupted because she's the special Chosen One SUPER-Tanta, with Plot Armor :V
I would be down to play the sequel if she is the villain and we play as Homer the cat trying to defeat her
@@bluecanine3374 "I must say that I had placed the blindest of confidences, the solidest of hopes and the most sincere belief in you. We can well say that I have erred to the bones." -Homer, confronting Frey
@@bluemagician9724 yes, this
@@higueraft571 Super Kami Tanta Frey
This is the closest im ever going to get to actually playing this game.
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What the hell were they thinking with this dribble piss? My god
Tried the demo because the movement seemed cool. But it ran like ass so I stopped caring about the game.
Don’t worry, this is the closest most people will get to playing the game
I wanted to try the game because the powers seemed cool, but I can't stand when the characters in a piece of entertainment can't take their own setup seriously.
The "They welcomed you!" is so hilarious, when they immediately wanted to execute her and had to be persuaded to "only" imprison her. And then later, once they felt threatened again, they were immediately ready to hand her over to her death, as well. They only started welcoming her when she started being useful to them.
And then, when Frey has a single moment of "Oh god, I am going to be stuck here forever..." 3D-scan-gone-wrong girl immediately goes on an angry tirade. And even she only helped Frey, because she thought she would be useful, not out of the goodness of her heart.
You know what, Frey? You go on ahead and steal. Steal all the apples! Freak those guys.
Every single character in this game is insufferable, to a point where it's actually impressive. Like, I've struggled to choose who to root for in a game before - but never because I couldn't choose who I hated less. 10/10.
Such an instant classic story. Masterfully balanced a generic plot with immense cringe. This will no doubt go down as the greatest product made. Inferior games like Elden Ring and God of War should look to ForGOATen on how a real game is made.
The Game Awards Journalists when it's that time of the year again and they can stamp games "Game of the year" against the consent of actual gamers: "Foarspoaken 👁👄👁"
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1. Her mother is basically a queen and couldn't send ONE ADULT to care for baby Frey?
2. She has the powers of the Tantas and doesn't create a portal to New York and take her cat, buy some McDonald's, get back, 30 minutes tops?
3. What happens when she dies naturally? Demon Sus would just come back. Will she give her kid the demon?
4. Why did the Tantas need to die? Was it because they were insane or something and Frey's mom didn't because the bracelet came to New York?
5. If they made this game like Fallout with a silent protagonist it might be better.
Honestly, is there anything stopping Frey from just, like, visiting New York every now and then?
Actually, wait, as I write this I realize she has no Earth friends and thus no reason to. Though, I guess she could become a cryptid for the lols.
@@AzureLlamaher characterisation would be so much better to me , if she's does that.
I’ll answer the first one.
Because activists writers need to insert modern political commentary about whatever they personally feel strongly about, (regardless of actual proliferation of said issue) and that would get in the way.
The funny thing about what you mentioned, Cinta knows who Frey's father is, she is aware of where he lives, she states in the game that one day she will introduce Frey to her father.
Cinta doesn't send Frey to her dad, her dad doesn't know he impregnated her, despite having an ability that would allow her to remedy those issues, she tosses her child in the cold.
Great mother.
Trap the demon in a child, name the kid Naruto.
She straight up abandoned her cat at the end of the game.
They showed that she can teleport.
They showed she probably inherited the power to open portals between realms.
She has the power of Big Sus.
She could get her cat in two minutes if she wanted but she doesn't.
"wait for me"
Bitch, I live for about 10 years, 8 of which are gone. And you can teleport at will. What do you mean wait for me.
All the while giving it an "anti-die" speech like it was gonna fling itself out of the window. "girl, I'm a CAT." lmfao
well, you see, introducing Homer into the other dimension would be an ecological disaster, as Homer would be an invasive species
she's just being econscious
The story started with her stealing a car, it would be poetic if at the end she used her powers to steal a cat.
@@Hegataro Can't be an invasive species with only 1 cat, it can't reproduce.