Which 7-10 conversion was the best?? Ranking every 7-10 spared on a PBA telecast
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- The 7-10 split has only been converted 4 times on television in the history of the PBA. It certainly requires more luck than judgement and shows how difficult it is to make the 7-10. 3 out of the 4 bowlers to convert the 7-10 split were left handed.
In this video we take a look at the 4 times this split was converted and rank them to see which was the best one.
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That Brian Voss one in the beginning is my favorite one. He needed that 7-10 to make it as the 5th seed along with his mixed doubles partner Diandra Asbaty and they climbed the ladder to win the 2010 Don and Paula Carter Mixed Doubles Championship. Asbaty was on fire throwing strike after strike and even picked up a 4-7-10 split on the telecast. Voss needed that win for a tour exemption for the next season and it kept him on tour. Huge stakes and they pulled it off.
I've made it once and it wasn't even in league.
One of my friends from kid's league and his dad were bowling on a random day I went in and they asked if I wanted to bowl with them. I said yes and left the 7-10 on the very first shot. It was cool that there were maybe 5 other people total in the bowling alley that heard me make it but it was really cool.
This is the way.
I like the Jess stayrook one most. Cool how the pin just slides across
Saw a Jr bowler (prob 5 or 6 yrs old) at the center that I work pick up a 5-7-10 with a 6 lb ball ... she had no idea what she had done .... oh to be a kid again!
I actually bowled next to Neuer at a tournament (I think it was two years ago) Lo and behold he left the 7-10. I told my buddy he had to watch his pick up attempt and he FIRED the ball as expected. Unfortunately he didn't pick up the spare, but just watching his attempt in person was awesome.
I picked up the "big 4" a couple of weeks ago. About a week before that, I almost picked up a "Greek church" .. cleared the 4-10, clipping the 4 which slid across taking out the 9-10 and rattled the 6, but the 6 didn't quite fall, so very close.
The most difficult spare is the big four, which was only made once on TV by WRJ.
Neuer's 7-10 is probably the most impressive due to the machine/curtain area. The Brunswick GSX machines are very difficult to get pins to bounce out of the back with the floppy curtain that is back there.
Exactly. The curtain and cushion on a GSX are both separated and vertical. It’s basically impossible to pick it up hitting the pin dead on. Neuer didn’t hit the pin dead on. Instead he bounced it off the kickback which bounced off the curtain/cushion somehow.
It's certainly difficult but not impossible, I find it a bit annoying whenever Randy Pedersen jinxes it by commenting something like "that pit will suck the pin away, it's never been made before on this machine" when there are a handful of examples proving him wrong.
I belive the Greek church numbers are probably skewed by the fact, that most guys are going for the count, rather than going for the conversion. Shooting the left of the 4 pin, is the easiest way to convert the Greek church, but you only go for 2 pins rather than the 3 on the right.
And Note How Chris Schenkel handled Roths 7-10 by Letting the Crowd react rather than Yelling and Screaming like Rob Stone and Randy Pederson going Overboard. And Schenkel’s Conversion was A TV FIRST but handled with class.
Correct! Not just Chris and Bo's voices, but also look to the camera cuts.
Roone Arledge was the magic behind ABC sports, and his view was, that it was all about athletes and the sport itself. That's where the drama and viewers interest should be. The commentators and camera people and production were responsible to CAPTURE it... NOT GENERATE IT.
The results spoke for themselves. People watch entire telecasts on TH-cam, from the old ABC Pro Bowlers Tour. If someone ever put the old tour telecasts on DVD and sold them, they'd probably make a few bucks on it.
Fox Sports lost the plot years ago with all the other sports. Too much flash and nonsense that distracts from the sport itself, rather than enhances. PBA bowling is just another victim of this crap is all.
It’s wild that 3 of the 4 have been lefties especially since the overwhelming majority of bowlers have been righties.
The Greek Church has the lowest conversion rate, but it is not the most difficult spare. It has a lower conversion rate simply because 99% of the time you go for count, therefore having a lower chance of making it as the optimal way to make it is to aim between the 4-7 pins
It’s a good point that the percentage is probably lowered due to going for count, but I don’t necessarily agree that going for the 4-7 or 6-10 is the optimal way to convert it, it’s still ridiculously hard either way. In my opinion the Greek church is easily harder than the 7-10 because there’s no risks with shooting it. Making corner pins is purely routine for pros and they essentially just rev up their ball speed and pray.
Well put, I didn’t see this comment before I commented the same thing. The only time I’ve converted it, I went for the 4-9 split basically, possibly sacrificing count.
I converted the Church 4-6-7-8-10 totally by surprise back around 1979. I went for the 4-7-8-10 but never thought the 4 would ricochet and trip the 6 forward. Alan Bishop converted it on TV the same way.
I believe the Greek Church has a lower conversion rate than the 7-10 split is because most PBA bowlers will go for the pins and attack this split by targeting the three pins. However, a bowling machine was able to be dialed into making this spare nearly 100% of the time by going after the two pins and kicking the 4-pins into the three other pins. Whereas, they were unable to adjust the bowling machine to make the 7-10 split in any consistent manner. Hence, the Greek Church appears to be the more difficult split because of the desire to maximize pin-count, and I also agree with your comment that making the 7-10 split certainly invovles "luck".
Neuer's is impressive in that he did it on the GS-X which is notorious for the shock-absorbing moving curtain.
Roth's conversion is interesting and there has been debate if the pin had bounced off an unseen pin in the pit. Sean Rash had an interesting conversion similar to Roth's but slower and more elegant, the pin didn't bounce out but got caught in something and twirled enough to hit the 7 - almost looks like it's sliding directly. On the other hand Osku Palermaa had a powerful conversion where it bounced off the rear-end of sidewall but not much in to the pit.
In my opinion for the rarest 7-10, mark roths was definitely incredible because it was made 1980!
My absolute favorite one was sam Cooley's, it was just so speedy.
I’ve been bowling my entire life, almost 40 years. I’ve never made the 7,10 but twice I’ve left the 6,7,10 and picked up the 7,10 leaving the 6 pin standing, go figure.
To add insult to injury just last year I made the 8,10 with the 2,8,10 standing I threw a hard back up ball just barely catching the 8 pin and sliding it over to the 10. Didn’t even think that was possible.
Mark Roth….. by far
My 7-10 pickup was half luck and half watching how the pros do it. There’s a definite way that gives you the best chance. The other factor is the curtain.
The best was Anthony Neuer. He converted it on Brunswick GSX pinsetters which is because of the fact that the pin cushion and curtain are separate, and it is extremely difficult to bounce a single pin out of the back, let alone converting the 7-10.
My nod goes to Stayrook, only because his looked so seamless. He rolled it more softly than the others, but placed the ball against the 7 right where it needed to be.
I would argue that It was easier to spare the 7-10 back in the day, as it was alot more common to not have a backcurtain that was there to take all speed out of the pins compared to now, where its basicly everywhere that there is a curtain that is only ankerd in the top
I started bowling in 68. Averaged over 200 for 45yrs had 7 300 games.
I've never come close to making 7-10
I've never picked up a 7-10 but I did pick up the Greek Church one time at league (ofc it was during practice)
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Too bad Mitch Hupé didnt make tv more often. Dude is amazing at picking up the 7-10 from either side
I’ve picked up the Greek church twice by sliding the 4 into the 6-9-10. I do think why it doesn’t get picked up as often is that most bowlers will just go for count and just pick up 6-9-10 and then sometimes the 7 gets picked up too, but not the 4
I've only ever seen the 7-10 converted once in real life, and it was during practice for league.
More impressive than 300.
I definitely agree. I converted the 7-10,but I never had a 300 game.
@@EdwardTunilla-zn2ch I know people who've had 45 300 games who has never converted a 7-10.
I also was lucky enough and converted the 7-10 during open practice on Brunswick A2s on lane 15 at my home center
@@EdwardTunilla-zn2ch on the other hand, I bowled 13 300 games but have only converted the 7-10 once.
@@MCLife30015 At my home center, they're running AMF 82-90XL Pinspotters and technically I converted the 7-10 twice on both Lane 2 and Lane 5. And I said "technically" because I left the 6-7-10 on the first ball in both times.
Only made it once and illegally as I bounced it off the right gutter to hit it. Still felt awesome 😂
Really though this one deserved an honorable mention as well. 1st shot ever on TV and just missed it. Went on to win the title that day too. th-cam.com/video/6mk7h1p9DfY/w-d-xo.html
How many places have a metal wall in the pit
How about Simonsen’s attempt at the 2020 World Championship
I think you meant to say John Mazza instead of Jess Stayrook after Roth being the first.
I will say in regards to Neuer's conversion, you HAVE to throw it hard to make it on those pinsetters. The GS series of pinsetter can be unforgiving with bouncing pins out unless you throw it hard. You also left out the fact that the 10 had caromed off the ball to get the 7.
SAme thing i say, now a days there is a back curtain to absorb all the energy from the pins, compared to back then THERE IS LEGIT NO curtain in some of the clips and the others, its ankered 2 places which doesnt take nearly as much energy out of the pins as if its only ankered in the top
I would say the Lily is the hardest split to pick up, all though its rarely left. Its probably a 0% pick up rate on the tour
It’s easy to make with a 6 lb ball
Mazza 1, Roth 2.
The greek church is only not converted most of the time because the pros go for the 3 pin count instead of makeing the spare
7-10 is the hardest because if u hit at the 3 at the right u can make so that the pins will slide and knock the other pins standing but the 7-10 is it very small room for the ball to make the pin slide or if u make it bounce on the other pin put that’s for me 0,3 chance of getting a spare. The Greek church is not harder why it is at 0,3 of chance of getting is because it’s not that often in PBA or in a regular bowling game u get a Greek church. It’s more “common” that u get a 7-10 and not the church
you can't physically slide the pin due to the distance, but if it's caught in the back of the pit it can twirl around enough which is how Sean Rash converted it hitting it slow and wide (the ball almost fell in the gutter when it hit the 10)
Bo Burton was WRONG!
I wonder how many times the 7-10 has been left on TV, and whether the conversion rate is higher, lower, or about the same compared against the entirety of official PBA tournament games.
Bowling doesn't keep stats, so we'll never know.
idk.. i've converted 8 greek churches and 0 7-10s. I haven't converted it yet so i find the greek church easier than the 7-10.
I thought the least converted was the 5-7-10
Has it ever been left on TV?
@@flugetsi10Sometimes
I think only once during the Father/son and Mother/daughter telecast when one of the kids left a lily. But rarely gets left in general, long enough the PBA Tour
Pete Weber left it on a PBA show in 1997
@@enigmazero8624yes sir, and I watched it on your channel I believe haha
All luck!
It’s a lot of luck, but you do need to put a little bit of speed on the ball to make it work and that isn’t luck.
Bowling as a whole is like 40% skill and 60% luck. You can throw the exact same ball the exact same way and hit the pocket in the exact same spot 10 times and end up with a strike, a ringing 10, a flat 7, a stone 4, and so on.
i made the 7-10 (15) times across 44 lanes at my bowlen alley and even 4 times in league. I made the greekchurch hitting the 2 and the 3 made it both ways. So whos greater than me NO ONE.
The Right Lane, That was a fantastic upload of the 7 10 Split that has made 4 times on tv on the Pba Tour. Also, The Best 7 10 Split Conversion that stood out was John Mazza in 1991 in the Bud Light Classic in the Semi Final Match against Bob Benoit.
Mitch Hupe made 7 out of 48 attempts.
That’s insane
Much of the narration does not match the action being shown.
Alright lets look deeper into this,if the most recent one is using what i think he is there's a good chance all of these balls are urethane
Given my recent experience with 'impossible' splits i have a feeling that's something they'll all have in common
I'm not half the bowler of the guys on tv but i recently spared 2 8-10s within 7 days,i did this by yeeting the ball at the 8 and having it bounce off the back into the 10,everyone tells you to pay attention to what the pins do and this is how i did it,i realised that for some reason or another,my spare ball (mix) or purple hammer seemed to do what the reactives rarely did by bouncing pins off the back at a much higher frequency
Luck? Skill? Maybe more knowledge and luck with a dash of skill to hit the damned pin at that speed
Also you've ranked them backwards,i feel that the most recent tv spare was more deliberate,he chucked it hard to bounce it off something,i don't think for a second he expected to spare it,but he did actually put in the effort and tried,the other 3 merely went for count and got super lucky