The Chicken & Beer Scandal: The Cautionary Tale of the 2011 Red Sox
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I just really want baseball back
SportStorm Me too, I am missing it so much!
Don’t we all😞
Yes, this had better not be 1994 all over again.
Me to but not if it’s going to be 60 games. I don’t think the damage we could do to the sport with these proposed shortcuts is worth it for two months of baseball. We had our chance and the players and owners blew it. I’ve packed it in for the year.
@@alexvratsanos5227 at least in 1994 we had baseball in April, May, June, July and part of August. In 2020 we will be lucky to see anything and if we do we get this really short regular season and a radical extreme playoff with 16 teams in it, Yuck.
I love how FIFA as a whole is listed as a scandal 😂
I’m here purely for this comment
FIFA is like that asshole kid nobody likes but his parents are rich so everyone tries to be nice to him so they can use his pool.
That was quite amusing, but absolutely true. I wonder if you could add the IOC without any adjectives.
nicolas Caballero sorta true tbh
@@nicolascaballero1320 this is about as true as it gets lol
*lists specific instances of scandals in major sports*
"FIFA"
I kinda don’t know a lot about FIFA, what’d they do???
@@JWex-jy7sk took bribes to rig where the world cup was held even though it was a "vote" people could vote online for
FIFA is a scandal. Period.
1997 Mtw
They also had horrible working conditions for people that were building their stadiums in some incidents
Austin Baker the World Cup isn’t an online vote mate but yeah they rig it, even putting the next one in Qatar where it’s too hot, you can’t drink and most fans can’t get to, FIFA are gangsters.
I'm just going to put this out there .... Adrian Gonzalez is one of the most underrated players ever.
Great, solid decade as a hitter. Won't get in HOF, but very respectable career.
No way. When Boston got rid of him, they won the World Series. When the dodgers told him to stay ho e during the playoffs, they went to the series, finally winning it in 2020.
@@shrapnel77 he hit over 40 homers at petco. Imagine if he played somewhere else during his power prime lmao
Great hitter and also a great defender. Solid career.
You misspelled overrated
3:36 "firmly in first place"... *shows graphic with Yankees two games back*
I know. I mean I love how The Yankees & Rays are fighting for a WC spot when The Yankees are one game back in the loss column.
Man, I remember why I loved Pedroia so much.
I don't understand why the fan base has turned against him. It's not his fault that his body is riddled with injuries. That's what happens when you devote your entire being into winning games. Despite the tail end of his career being the way it is, I hope the Red Sox retire Pedey's 15.
Revan Redeemed right? Honestly had a HOF career until injuries with how many times he won gold glove and the World Series. When I was younger I used to look up to this man cus of how much effort he gave and the obstacles he had to overcome. Just recently started watching baseball again after my own injuries made me have to quit and it’s a shame to hear most Sox fans having a negative opinion of him/ forgetting him. I guess that’s the internet for yah.
Fucking Machado. I hope his career ends in the same way.
@@foursevnnn Well if it gives you some hope. I'm from the netherlands and only started watching baseball at all in 2016-2017 so I've only known pedroia from his injured era but I think he is one of the best players not only because of his skills but his heart and passion
@@lordrevanz16 People overreacted when he said “it’s not me, it’s them” to Machado after the Red Sox kept trying to throw at him. It was a bad situation and I don’t think the Red Sox handled it well at all.
Haven’t watched the video yet but good video
Lmao yes
Lol
Lmao... do I sense a Yankees fan?
Don't forget....the "Chicken and Beer" article was in the Boston Globe. John Henry owns both the Red Sox and the Globe. The author is a known writer of assigned "hit pieces" for the Globe. The Chicken and Beer was a legitimate cause of the 2011 Red Sox failure. But using the same "hit piece" to expose Terry Francona's personal life was dirty, low, and cowardly on the part of ownership. Francona was the most successful manager in Sox history. They should have kept this out of the story and just parted ways.
And also don't forget who they hired as Francona's replacment....
The ultimate clown, Bobby Valentine.
I actually didn't know that. That adds a whole other layer to this story.
@@SportStorm23 Yep, its true. The Globe assigns Bob Hohler to do "investigative reports" on various sports topics where there is some sort of scandal. He's done "hit pieces" attacking Tom Brady over Deflate-Gate (the Sox/Globe owners are Democrats, Patriots ownership and Brady are known to be Conservative and Trump supporters) , the poor relationship between the Celtics and Kyrie Irving, etc. Hohler is very good at what he does, but it is always with a hidden agenda to make someone look bad.
Henry didn't buy the Globe until 2013 though
Henry may own the Globe, and therefore have some editorial leverage, but the articles (at least in the Sports section) being written have nothing to do with Liberal/Conservative politics. Keep that sh*t to yourself please. Nobody wants to start a political thing...so don't make it one.
Hohler was hardly the only source to "out" the 2011 Red Sox. Sean McAdams and Steve Buckley both wrote scathing articles too. The details were starting to leak out. Hohler isn't really known for "hit pieces" either...I'm not even sure what that means. He's not nice enough? He writes the truth? He came from a different era of journalism. He was just doing his job as a journalist, as were all the other sports writers who wrote articles about what was happening. This is hardly the first time a Boston journalist has turned on their own team/players either...are they all "hit men" too? John Tomase and Ron Borges wrote about the Patriots and SpyGate in great detail before that story was broken by the league. John Tomase is the one who claimed the existence of the "Ram's walk-through tape" that people still reference, despite nobody ever having seen. Bruins writers constantly sh*t on the Bs and their (mis)management...that's not even a secret. The Celtics are the only team in town who gets treated with baby gloves like "everything is awesome!!". The local media believed Celtic ownership that Kyrie was going to resign, so they didn't turn on him until after he left. Everyone else has their dirty laundry aired for the whole town to read about...and it isn't just Bob Hohler doing it.
Nobody listen to this dude. Talking about Bob Hohler like he's a hired assassin called it to get the sports dirt when somebody doesn't toe the right side of the Conservative/Liberal line LOL wow...! He's a 60-something year old journalist who does his job...just like the rest of the journalists in town (except the Celtics). The only things he had right were Francona as greatest Sox manager, and Valentine as a clown.
Zeke D I think Bob crossed the line with this Francona article. Invasion of privacy, just outright not cool
This is gonna sound kinda weird, but I always figured that once the Boston/ Baltimore game was over, the Yankees threw their game to keep Boston out of the playoffs.
That's a common theory and it kinda makes sense when you think about it.
Scott Proctor was absolutely garbage for the Yankees (and the Blue Jays) that year - he gave up the game-winning HR to Longoria. Theory checks out.
I remember the Red Sox fans accusing the Yankees of this as well.
On paper it makes sense. But NOO CHANCE the Yankees would basically invite the near red hot Rays into the playoffs (to potentially play them in the LCS) over just about the worst SEP team (record wise) and the coldest team in the MLB in the Sox no matter how big of rivals they are. (Sox fan)
@@BNiche It was the Braves (fittingly enough) not Toronto. He was the guy that drove in Lugo in that 19 inning game against Pittsburgh.
This was the first year I got into baseball/Red Sox I was 7 years old. This team brings back memories
Same. I was 7 years old and 1st year as a Sox fan. Damn what are the odds.
i'm personally content with trading the 2011 & 2012 seasons for the 2013 Championship and what it meant to the city of Boston
2013 put 2012 and 2011 away.
I had successfully repressed this season from my memories until now
I'm really confused as to why this is considered a scandal.... This was poor management.
It was a big story in the Boston sports world. “Francona is a pushover” “the players don’t care” “ownership needs to do something”... were the common topics at the time
That Uehara sinker was so nasty.
god way to bring back a repressed memory...
Red Sox fans have little to complain about when your team has won the WS four times in the past two decades.
I turned 11 years old that night, and it was hilarious as an Orioles fan to win that night.
I was around the same age as you back then! But yea that was a fun way to end a season. Didn't really understand all the implications but I was laughing my ass off when I found out that our shit team got the Red Sox eliminated. Then we won the first ever Wild Card game next year.
@@darkchocolate3390 yeah but what have the orioles done since? I can tell you what the Red Sox have done since. Four playoff appearances as division champs, and two World Series titles.
I remember following this story so closely but you still brought up so much I never knew, like that quote from the strength and conditioning coach "its hard to make 80k a year and tell a 15million dollar pitcher he needs to get off his ass" man that hurts but at the same time i totally understand him. Only so much you can do when your all star players just dont care.
This season really hurt. I had been following the team pretty closely since about 1999, and VERY closely since 2003 at this point, and my golden memories of the Red Sox were of the 03/04 teams and their respective playoff runs, especially 2004 of course. 2011 hurt so much because it was the real, true end to the last real vestiges of that 04 team - which had ABSOLUTELY defined the Red Sox ever since.
Mostly it was that Epstein, Francona, Varitek, and Wakefield - all major leaders from 2004 onwards - were all gone from the Red Sox after 2011. It was the end of an era, and what made it so terribly sad was just how talented and how much potential that team still had. The 2011 Red Sox could have been - SHOULD have been - a 100+ win team! Even with the horrific 2-10 start and the historic September collapse, they still had 90 wins with a pythag of 94 wins - so a 100 wins is really where that team should've been sitting.
But instead it was an epic choke, and they blew the whole thing up and hired an idiotic oaf as a manager and gave him way too much license to gut everything that made that 2003-2011 Red Sox what they were. 2011 was my last real year as a big-time baseball fan, watching nearly every game the Red Sox played. That collapse broke me as a fan, combined with how dreadful the 2012 team was to watch.
Oh boo hoo you won the whole damn thing a couple years later
Honestly, I feel like the events of September 2011 were a massive blessing in disguise for the Red Sox...
- It made it exponentially easier to break up a legendary team that had run its course and needed to be broken up
- While breaking it up, in Papi and Pedroia, they picked exactly the right veterans to keep on
- Red Sox Nation is better without the fairweathers who jumped off the bandwagon because of it
I remember preseason 2011 phillies and red sox were soooo stacked. Both of them had tragic endings
I can remember this one. The Rays looked completely out of it but turned red hot at the right time. The Red Sox completely went the other way
2 years later...
Look at my recent comment
If there’s one thing I came out of this video with, it’s a stronger sense of respect for Pedroia… Pedey was one of the hardest working guys in the Red Sox clubhouse for so long
Orioles video: cant post it cause of copy right. Rays Video: can post it because of copy right?
Copyright is weird
MLB only cares about the cool stuff and the Dan Johnson dinger isn’t cool enough
@@kylefronheiser7197 Ah Dan Johnson That's An Name I Would've Never Thought To Hear
You GOTTA do a video about that whole night of Sept 28, 2011. The timeline of events was absolutely insane. It will probably be the most dramatic night in pro sports history.
We did make a video on it! th-cam.com/video/IxdHPYHjy3M/w-d-xo.html
2:22 "arguably the clear favorites"
This season is when I fell in love with baseball and watched every game. Jacoby Ellsbury, Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, David Ortiz, Dustin Pedroia and the others were such a stacked team, sad way how the team ended
You should’ve talked about how the Yankees were up 7-0 and pulled all their starters, giving the Rays as good of a shot to win and beat the Red Sox to the playoffs.
I just want to say that it might have worked out for the Red Sox in the future. It definitely helped my Indians. Thank you for letting us have Tito.
when he pronounced reimold wrong i laughed ngl
Now I want some chicken
That’s why I love baseball!!! The unthinkable seems to always happen! It’s a roller coaster ride for sure
Two years later they win the World Series with a crazy different roster! What an insane couple of years
FIFA.
That's it. No need to say more. We get it.
We need “asking TH-camrs their greatest athletic failure”
Really enjoy the content! Good vid
September 28th, 2011 as a Jays fan that was by far the most fun I've had watching teams beside my favorite. I wanted Boston to lose so bad too.
Longoria is forever a legend because of this day
I'm a Florida native but have always been a Red Sox fan first and a rays fan second. My father was good friends with a guy who had connections at the rays and we were given seats behind home plate for that game. I can to this day say that I was present for one of the simultaneously most depressing and most exhilarating nights of baseball for myself and others. I can remember watching a boring first innings of that game, but the absolute exhilaration in the park during those last innings and extra innings was insane. After every inning you would get up and all of the Tampa fans were just freaking out. The walk off home run was insane and the cheers and partying was outrageous.
He doesn’t have to buy a beer anywhere in Tampa, except in the place he owns, where if you pay for him, you get kicked out. It’s kinda odd.
But Red Sox won it all in 2013 and 2018. 1993 was a long time for the Blue Jays.
I know this is a minuscule part of the video, but I love Jonny Gomez. He was my favorite player on the reds when he was in Cincinnati, I’ve watched a lot of his interviews and he seems like such a good guy to have in your clubhouse. That was a great move for Boston to me
No joke. I'm a Yankees fan but that 2013 Red Sox team is one of my favorites. So, to see the collapse virtually lead to the salary dump to get the 2013 acquisitions makes it worth it to me. That 2011 team seemed like the Red Sox attempt at getting star power like the Yankees had during that tenure but guess what? Red Sox wound up with a couple rings and the Yankees are still chasing despite at one point having the best 2B. 3B, SS and pitcher and closer and set up guy and...
From chicken and beer to the butterfly effect. This was a journey.
This was one of my favorite Red Sox teams; it was the first time I saw my team in person so they’ll always hold a special place in my heart and it hurt when they did so well but fell so hard at the end of the season
2011 was a fun year for baseball I thought at least. Had some of my favorite card sets, video games, and stacked teams that on paper looked really good. I expected the Red Sox to be better than they were.
That A-Gone/Crawford/Beckett/Punto trade is arguably one of the biggest trades in MLB history (considering the money, number of players, names, & overall effects)
Then they fired Terry and tried to replace him with Bobby Valentine....🤦🏼♂️
I remember the night the news first broke that they were gonna hire Valentine, and all of Red Sox nation was like, “OH MY GOODNESS NO!!!!”
Same here. God he was the worst, remember pedrioa saying he wanted valentine out already in April Lol the season just started.
My dad was excited about it, but I wasn't. I remember watching Valentine make boneheaded move after boneheaded move when he was manager of the Mets. I knew that year was going to be a disaster the moment they announced it.
Dude I just discovered your channel, this is really good stuff!
I don't know about how well it ended up working out for the Red Sox, but it was amazing for the Cubs. 🤷♂️
Um … the Red Sox won TWO World Series after this … the Cubs one. I’d say it worked out better for the Red Sox
@@williamkanejr3233 I don't think those two compare to the single Cubs victory, any more than they compare to the Red Sox 2004 win.
Red Sox fans, above any other, should understand how huge a curse breaker is.
@@williamkanejr3233 only 2 with multiple hall of famers and never 2 peated the teams had different players besides a few it's like comparing the 01 pats to the 2014 team that the Seahawks
@@digitalutopia1 I'd still take multiple titles over one.
Lackey and Lester had life figured out that year it seems
Still can’t believe how dirty they did Terry Francona
I'm getting PTSD from remembering this Red Sox team. So much money and so little effort. The signing of Bobby fricken Valentine to right the ship is the cherry on top
The Curse of the Andino. I was at that game. The most pumped I’ve ever been during any of the 1,000 Orioles losing seasons I’ve witnessed. Felt like winners that night and the momentum carried over for the next 5 seasons.
Bobby Valentine deserves a championship ring. After he ran a tight ship for one year, the players never DARED try to take advantage of a nice-guy manager again.
As a Red Sox fan, this was hard to watch.
Definitely one of the most underrated late season collapse in baseball history... No one ever remembers this .. and ended an Era up in Boston
This was great! Man what a hemispheric season that was! It sad that that’s how it ended for Tito and Theo ... but they ended up in good places ....😕
Great Video!
My favorite part about any AL East video is just Baltimore taking the consolation prize
It’s interesting to see this from the Red Sox perspective. You usually see this from the Rays side
Franconia lost total control of that team 🐔 🍺 🍻
Ah 2011 good time good times😍
I remember as a young Red Sox fan I hated the orioles so much for this. They acted like they won the WS while finishing in last. Now I just feel bad for them cause they still finish last every year
2021 Red Sox is also another team with a good start than collapse
Don't forget Orioles haven't won a championship since 1983.
Oh shit!!!! I just realized what this video is about!!!!..... Longoria's walk off,(barely) and some other factors were also in play if I remember correctly???? This truly was an insane night of baseball!!!! Okay.....continue.
I think blowing most of a team up every few years is a good thing. Baseball teams can become decent/mediocre so quickly that a substantial roster change can make a huge difference in chemistry and energy for a whole team.
Can you do a video on Billy Butler what ever happened to Country Breakfast?
He couldn't play the field and stopped hitting. I think he was on the 2016 Yankees.
I know it's not a scandal, but I wouldn't mind a deep dive into the Phillies collapse from 2008 World Series champions, to losing the WS in 2009, to losing the NLCS in 2010, to losing the NLDS in 2011, and finally not making the playoffs in 2012.
this doesn’t sound like a collapse moreso a championship team aging and slowly falling apart as the ring window closes
Only thing that collapsed there was Howard.
This was a odd and painful season to b a Sox fan especially September
Robert Andino was my hero that year.
Also, it's pronounced "Rye-mold."
Oh Daisuke, the biggest never was......
We had Anthony Rizzo....I did not know that
Great video
The one night I've rooted for the Yankees to lose.
This was a ridiculous time. Bobby Valentine was a disaster as manager; he implemented very strict Clubhouse rules and quickly became very unpopular. The 2012 trade with the Dodgers was a move to get rid of the ‘bad blood’ out of the clubhouse.
I saw Bobby Jenks' name and new immediately the video was going to go South.
Oh I knew it was immediately heading south when they first mentioned the Carl Crawford deal...
Oh yea Josh Beckett, another guy who disappeared after the The Sawk dismantled Theo’s spending spree
Can we all look at the fact that Aubrey huff had mvp votes
As a Red Sox fan this night was one of the most traumatic memories of my childhood
But 2013 made up for it, as a Red Sox fan, knew they put that nightmare to bed.
Here's the real reason why they missed the playoffs: Jonathan Papelbum
The red Sox weren't the only team to collapse in 2011
8:35
"You care more about money than winning!"
- players that clearly care more about money than winning
September 28th, 2011: The Best Night in MLB History.
No.
It was exciting for sure, but I wouldn't say it was the best night in mlb history.
I practically hate the Red Sox and Love the Cardinals as well as respect the Tampa Rays.
I want mlb back, however I still have tournaments for baseball
Same. We just played one, and we have one this weekend
I just farted
Can you do a video similar to this but on the cubs in 2019? I'm still pissed at them
Not nearly as bad of a collapse
Joshua Cohen 9 straight losses is pretty bad... Especially with lots of them coming in the 8th inning or later
@@mattram8695 Yeah except that the 2011 Red Sox should've been one of the best Red Sox teams ever, and their collapse was much worse by both September W/L and September Run Differential.
I'm going to Quote Urinatingtree on this.
"Fundamental Total Collapse"
The only reason they weren't under .500 was because Nick Castelannos played out of his mind
Another huge collapse happened that year too with my Braves. And it’s interesting to think about, if the season ended a day earlier, the champs wouldn’t have made the playoffs (Cardinals).
But Red Sox won championships and Braves won in 2021, so it's history and forget it.
That is 1 of my favorite orioles games
Oh man I remember this trade between the Red Sox and Dodgers. It caused the Dodgers to lose in 2012 and this Red Sox team of 2011 is what fuck'd up the Dodgers. Haha. Love my SF Giants!!!
Carl Crawford was a BUST!!! Also dropped a fly ball on game 162 for the L (that was a $140 million dollar error!)right when Longoria hit that come from behind Homer for the Ray's mins later... 7-20 in Sept. For the Sox!! What a shit show. I dont blame Pedroia. Hes a great player but this was a Manager problem and honestly I think The Red Sox thought they had it in the bag. Baseballs a funny sport and heavily watched by the ghosts of the game... that's how I feel anyway...
Game 162 of 2011 was off the hook!!!
The Bobby Valentine puff pieces were gold. Did you know Bobby Valentine invented the sandwich wrap? Did you know Bobby Valentine got his shirts pressed at age 16? Did you know Bobby Valentine cut up park benches at 4AM to fight the scourge of prostitution in his boyhood town? His favorite sports moment? Winning a ballroom dancing competition at the World's fair.
Dave Page the strength coach is my dad
Did you ever do a video on the Cardinals hacking scandal? Seems like nobody ever touches that one.
Mike Carp was underrated.
FIFA, I almost died there :)))
Lmao Francona was off the percys 😂
Something interesting I noticed is that during September, the Rays didn't exactly catch fire or anything. They played well, of course, like a playoff team should, but it didn't take them going ballistic to get to the playoffs. The Red Sox just turned into potatoes that badly.
That Gonzalez/Crawford/Beckett trade may be one of the best that Boston ever made. It got them totally off the hook. As a Yankees fan I’m still mad about it!
fifa xd
As a cub fan, I can see Lester doing that 😂. He’s probably doing it rn.
Lester always seemed like a bit of a curmudgeon. You wanted to like him, overcoming cancer and all, but idk, always seemed pissy.
Bobby Valentine was hired to clean house... He was managing in Japan and given 10.5 million to do the job knowing he wouldn't get another MLB opportunity. All Sox fans should send thank you cards to Bobby V.
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How come it’s not a copyright claim when Jomboy plays video and audio? That’s weird how it is sometimes but sometimes it’s not.
When was the first time I heard a stacked down to the wire game 162 in the AL East?
The only thing making it a scandal is that it led to an implosion. Other than that it wasn't really a scandal at all.
You should make a video on Josh Gibson - the black Babe Ruth