Don't sell yourself short- 4 weeks to port this game is an absolutely impressive timeline. Bravo, looks great! I would also volunteer that the music actually sounds BETTER on your version.
This right here, not only did you port the game to a less powerful system, but you did it in ASM, in 4 weeks, music, GFX and even added your own features. That is an incredible amount of work accomplished in a really short amount of time.
@@WelshProgrammer to be fair your over emphasizing the impressiveness as the code for the game was simple even for a 486, stop your david l butt hole sniffing your nose is already brown
The main reason why ports take less time than creating a new game is that when you create a port, you know exactly what you're going to do.. in the case of a new game, you have to invent things first, then you have to implement them, test them if they work, and if not, change them and test them again.. this is the process that takes the most time..
@@AndersHolck Well it's a good thing that your opinion isn't shared by the thousands of hardworking programmers that have created new code to port games to other platforms. Otherwise virtually nothing would ever have been ported. What a stupid, conceited worldview. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@@bruwin i believe you totally misunderstood my statement. By the way, been a hard-working developer myself for over 30 years. Porting or rewriting games between platforms, scene, demos etc. So, guess you're fired.
"Brings back memories." My friend, you sent Tran back into the happy place in his mind with your game port. He didn't say it, but that statement for a programmer is them experiencing pure nostalgia. You definitely made Tran very happy with this.
Not only someone remembered the game he partly made 30ish years ago, but want to port it? It REALLY made his whole day, if not year. (Im assuming, but its a safe bet)
Are you insane? Perhaps we just have very different tastes. I think the DOS version not only sounds better, but the X16 version doesn't really sound anything like it. In the DOS version, you can hear very distinctly, multiple instruments being played at the same time. I just assume when/if the X16 gets a good tracker, this can be fixed.
@@Akira625 EDIT: This is not true. I misunderstood FM and everything that follows is based on a false premise. Sorry about that. END EDIT But isn't FM capable of playing back anything? Like a wave file in DOS, the Sound Blaster can play back captured CD sound. A 100 piece orchestra could be played back.
Wow, my childhood was filled with releases by Tran. Kaeon was another that I only re-found recently after asking around on Reddit based on vague memories of a space and forest themed level design. And the Black Glass demos were often music background when I was in my room.
I still use PSP 7 for everything related to editing pictures, resizing, color, everything. I'm so used to it, it works, I never bothered trying to learn more advanced programs. And for audio I still use Goldwave to edit or reecord, and Winamp to listen to mp3 hahaha.
@@pelgervampireduck wow, winamp. The memories come back. I designed my own decals and sent them to a computer magazine that chose the best and gave them on a disc monthly. Thank you for bringing it back to me
I loved PSP for it's ability to mix Vector and Bitmaps layers in the one image. I used it a lot and bought after Corel took it over I bought the latest version as it had some great features. It was unreliable and kept crashing. I didn't want to move to Photoshop so instead went down the GIMP/Inkscape route. Works for my simple needs but I do miss the workflow from PSP. Sidenote: I did an evening course on Photoshop after using PSP for a couple of years and it's workflow felt completely wrong. Kind of made me realise why people don't want to switch software as they know how to be productive with the tools they have and switching means unlearning all that and learning a new workflow.
I miss it. I remember it having such a slick interface for getting things done quickly. Switching to Gimp felt like a step backwards because the interface puts unnecessary extra steps in your way.
Well done David! And nico on the music port! Speaking of the music, the original composer, Andrew Sega (a.k.a. necros in the demoscene) is one of the best composers out there. Well worth checking out his other work both in games and in bands / solo projects
Love it! You know what I'd like to see even more? A (long form) code walkthrough. I'm very interested in your code architecture and some of your routines. Would be very educational.
Regarding demoscene crews making games, Remedy Entertainment (Max Payne, Alan Wake, Control) was founded by members of Future Crew, creators of one of the demos shown at the beginning of this video.
Hearing you talk about sprites reminded me about when i was in college for game design, and I made a couple games in game maker. The final game me and my partner made was called Octospace, we didn't have a decent amount of time to do artwork so we ended up using a few sprites from game maker. I still have it on an external hard drive somewhere.
Love these game development videos. I thoroughly enjoy all your history and restoration videos, but your game development videos are still my favorite.
Dat game music stayed with me till today. Everyone knows how scarce games were before internet distribution and games that hit you right there in the emotion were treasured. Great job on porting!
Without sharing too much, I used to create Mortal Kombat II custom fatalities as .flv files using Paint Shop Pro and PC Paint years and years ago. I even took custom orders from my friends. Ah... Simpler times. I miss those days! Amazing video too. I guiltily watch a lot of your content and reminisce. Great work! Nice shop. I'm jealous.
It's pretty cool watching game development content on The 8-Bit Guy! Quite multi-talented - I'm impressed with what you did on the X16 and I'm looking forward to more videos like this!
Hats off to Nicco1690 for such a fantastic job converting that music Also, David, maybe you could just slow the animation speed of the backgrounds to make them less distracting. Wow Tran, he's still around. Cool!
A very solid port and nice summary of how you got past the various challenges. You are spot on with the recommendation for programmers who are learning to start with a game with simple mechanics, it allows you to make a completed game sooner and learn about all of the supplementary things you need in every game to finish them off.
You guys did an excellent job with this port. Doing this in assembly language wouldn't be easy either. The porting of the music was well done too. Great work!
This is a wonderful demonstration of some of the challenges and creativity that came with porting games back in the day. Nowadays the main consoles and PCs all have very similar hardware and capabilities, but back in the 90s two systems would have wildly different internals with very different capabilities. Some things straight up were not possible to port over and other things required getting creative. It led to some incredible pieces of coding as programmers worked to utilize every trick in the book to squeeze what they wanted out of the hardware available. The demoscene was and remains one of the coolest things to ever emerge out of coding. Pushing hardware limitations into an artform and creating some absolutely wild things. A personal favorite of mine being .Kkrieger. An FPS with some rather impressive visuals that fits in only a couple of kilobytes of storage!
🤦♂️😂😂😂 I had not started the video and was just so amazed by the title that you ported x-init! Looks like I got ahead of myself 😂😂 either way I’m sure the game port is cool too.
Wow. Just wow! Well done indeed! That 8-bit block set is my favourite! Oddly enough this game reminds me of Popcap's Bejeweled Classic that I sometimes play on the iPad as a casual no-brainer fun game!
Awesome work. You have gone above and beyond to make that port as close to the original as possible. Btw. you should have a look at "TRSE" (Turbo Rascal Syntax Error). It's an IDE written by Democoders to create software for old systems (C64, NES, C128, ...) with a pascal like syntax. Much easier to code then assembler and most of the hardware-specific memory locations are also mapped to variables.
4 weeks to do this in assembly is absolutely mind boggling! Excellent work man. I can't wait to someday get myself a real Commander X16! Also, if you ever want something like a nice retro style walnut case for your X16, I'd love to make it! I'm a woodworker in my spare time.
Awesome job. Thank you for sharing that with us. My initial interest in the Commander was mildly curious, but videos like this are changing that, and I'm probably going to download the emulator the first chance I get.
Great video. Didn't think I would care about a video where you port a dos game, but I am surprisingly impressed with the video and have a new found appreciation for the work and effort you put into it.
Thank you for showcasing the use of Furnace Tracker in Commander X16 development! This open-source project is still in development and helps are appreciated!
“ One of the first PC games to actually look as good as an arcade machine of the era” This is the point I always try to make when people wonder what happened to arcades. The atmosphere of an arcade may have been amazing, but the main draw was that you couldn’t get graphics anywhere near an arcade at home… That’s just not true anymore
I love that Thomas gave his blessing. That's just so nice! Well done on this. Great choices and it looks grand. Xixit was one of my favourite 90's games. So addictive. Can't wait to buy a x16
future crew morphed into remedy sort of. anyway who would become digital extremes wrote epic pinball, supposedly with some input from fc guys or something like that. plenty of demoscene coders ended up in the industry though
Wasn't James Schmalz the one who worked on Epic Pinball? He had no affiliations with Future Crew, and end up establishing Digital Extremes. From the credits, FC's involvement is minimal.
@@MakotoIchinose They had an unfinished pinball game demo. Tim Sweeney couldn’t convince them to join Epic, so Schmalz built a new version from scratch. Without the FC, I doubt that Epic would have built it.
AFAIK after seeing Final Reality, Tim Sweeney was so impressed he wanted to hire the Future Crew. They showed him a pinball game demo they've been making, but they didn't want Epic Games to finish it, so they hired Schmalz to make one from scratch. He did it in 9 months, pure assembly, while in college
Always fun to hear the names of anyone from Renaissance back in the day! Ambience was running on at least one computer in my house at some point during the day for years. I probably ran it in MS-DOS on my Windows machines until 2000 when compatibility broke hard.
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When the ORIGINAL dev compliments you, you know you've done a good job!
Hear hear!
WOW.
love it when they do that instead of going "get the hell out" and hitting you with a C&D or whatever
Either that, or you're the only person left doing it
Don't sell yourself short- 4 weeks to port this game is an absolutely impressive timeline. Bravo, looks great! I would also volunteer that the music actually sounds BETTER on your version.
Not to mention on a machine that's far less powerful. It's truly impressive
4 weeks to get something that originally ran on a 32-bit 486, working more or less intact on a 6502 is pretty impressive.
This right here, not only did you port the game to a less powerful system, but you did it in ASM, in 4 weeks, music, GFX and even added your own features. That is an incredible amount of work accomplished in a really short amount of time.
@@WelshProgrammer To be fair, someone else ported the music for him, but it's still an impressive feat.
@@WelshProgrammer to be fair your over emphasizing the impressiveness as the code for the game was simple even for a 486, stop your david l butt hole sniffing your nose is already brown
The main reason why ports take less time than creating a new game is that when you create a port, you know exactly what you're going to do.. in the case of a new game, you have to invent things first, then you have to implement them, test them if they work, and if not, change them and test them again.. this is the process that takes the most time..
A port in my world starts from same code base. This is in my world not a port.
@@AndersHolck Well it's a good thing that your opinion isn't shared by the thousands of hardworking programmers that have created new code to port games to other platforms. Otherwise virtually nothing would ever have been ported.
What a stupid, conceited worldview. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Sounds like a bloody nightmare!
True, but my port of the PC version of Rick Dangerous 2 did take quite a while, and certainly more than 4 weeks, as it is a much more complex game.
@@bruwin i believe you totally misunderstood my statement. By the way, been a hard-working developer myself for over 30 years. Porting or rewriting games between platforms, scene, demos etc. So, guess you're fired.
"Brings back memories." My friend, you sent Tran back into the happy place in his mind with your game port. He didn't say it, but that statement for a programmer is them experiencing pure nostalgia. You definitely made Tran very happy with this.
Not only someone remembered the game he partly made 30ish years ago, but want to port it? It REALLY made his whole day, if not year. (Im assuming, but its a safe bet)
Watching an 8-Bit Guy Video is always a special treat.
Yep
Based opinion
I agree.
He doesn’t post often, but when he does, it’s always worth the watch.
@@DatFoxGamin based pfp
Whoa -- the music!! The FM-synth version actually sounds *better* than the original, IMHO!
Yeah, just what I wanted to write just now!
I honestly didn't think you could get that sort of quality from FM.
i agree
Are you insane? Perhaps we just have very different tastes. I think the DOS version not only sounds better, but the X16 version doesn't really sound anything like it. In the DOS version, you can hear very distinctly, multiple instruments being played at the same time.
I just assume when/if the X16 gets a good tracker, this can be fixed.
@@Akira625 EDIT: This is not true. I misunderstood FM and everything that follows is based on a false premise. Sorry about that. END EDIT But isn't FM capable of playing back anything? Like a wave file in DOS, the Sound Blaster can play back captured CD sound. A 100 piece orchestra could be played back.
Wow, my childhood was filled with releases by Tran. Kaeon was another that I only re-found recently after asking around on Reddit based on vague memories of a space and forest themed level design. And the Black Glass demos were often music background when I was in my room.
+1 for Black Glass reference
Good on you for referencing Columns! I'm amazed how many people made XIXIT clones when it was just a clone of Columns with no real gameplay changes.
Wow, seeing Paint Shop Pro really takes me back. I always wonder what would've come of it if Jasc had stayed around and continued to build it up.
Same. PSP was the tits
I still use PSP 7 for everything related to editing pictures, resizing, color, everything. I'm so used to it, it works, I never bothered trying to learn more advanced programs.
And for audio I still use Goldwave to edit or reecord, and Winamp to listen to mp3 hahaha.
@@pelgervampireduck wow, winamp. The memories come back. I designed my own decals and sent them to a computer magazine that chose the best and gave them on a disc monthly.
Thank you for bringing it back to me
I loved PSP for it's ability to mix Vector and Bitmaps layers in the one image.
I used it a lot and bought after Corel took it over I bought the latest version as it had some great features. It was unreliable and kept crashing. I didn't want to move to Photoshop so instead went down the GIMP/Inkscape route. Works for my simple needs but I do miss the workflow from PSP.
Sidenote: I did an evening course on Photoshop after using PSP for a couple of years and it's workflow felt completely wrong. Kind of made me realise why people don't want to switch software as they know how to be productive with the tools they have and switching means unlearning all that and learning a new workflow.
I miss it. I remember it having such a slick interface for getting things done quickly. Switching to Gimp felt like a step backwards because the interface puts unnecessary extra steps in your way.
Well done David! And nico on the music port! Speaking of the music, the original composer, Andrew Sega (a.k.a. necros in the demoscene) is one of the best composers out there. Well worth checking out his other work both in games and in bands / solo projects
I had a chance to meet him, super nice guy too!
I'm more familiar with his work with band Iris (sadly disbanded now). Damn great composer :)
@@MrRaivokasMagma Yeah, Iris were great. Was so sad when they disbanded 😟
Love it! You know what I'd like to see even more? A (long form) code walkthrough. I'm very interested in your code architecture and some of your routines. Would be very educational.
Regarding demoscene crews making games, Remedy Entertainment (Max Payne, Alan Wake, Control) was founded by members of Future Crew, creators of one of the demos shown at the beginning of this video.
Hearing you talk about sprites reminded me about when i was in college for game design, and I made a couple games in game maker. The final game me and my partner made was called Octospace, we didn't have a decent amount of time to do artwork so we ended up using a few sprites from game maker. I still have it on an external hard drive somewhere.
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Love these game development videos. I thoroughly enjoy all your history and restoration videos, but your game development videos are still my favorite.
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Dat game music stayed with me till today. Everyone knows how scarce games were before internet distribution and games that hit you right there in the emotion were treasured.
Great job on porting!
Great work. Impressive what you can do with an 6502.
In the 80s, when I was at a Grateful Dead concert, I definitely took a port of Xixit to the X16.
Jerry has that effect on people.
Bruh, same except it was Phish.
Very cool trick to get the backgrounds working! Awesome video, would love to see more like this.
Very impressive David! Amazing Job!!
Absolutely love this type of video!!! Please more programming stuff.
Without sharing too much, I used to create Mortal Kombat II custom fatalities as .flv files using Paint Shop Pro and PC Paint years and years ago. I even took custom orders from my friends. Ah... Simpler times. I miss those days! Amazing video too. I guiltily watch a lot of your content and reminisce. Great work! Nice shop. I'm jealous.
"Took custom orders from my friends" My man, hooking a brother up.
It's pretty cool watching game development content on The 8-Bit Guy! Quite multi-talented - I'm impressed with what you did on the X16 and I'm looking forward to more videos like this!
Amazing work. Pretty much all of the changes made, are for the better, imo. I am just amazed at the amount of work you guys are putting into this!!
Great video David! Xixit looks like a fun game. Hope your 2023 is going well so far.
Your work is so inspiring. I think this channel is one of the best I’ve seen.
This is super cool and I'm glad it turned out this well! Looks awesome, and I'm always excited to see what's next from you.
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Compliments for this huge job.....very impressive!!!
Awesome work mate. Always great to see
Congratulations David. You are the inspiration for me as a programmer.
Impressive result Dave, i been following your posts in the X15 Facebook group :)
Impressive. Makes me wonder if the X16 is going to stay a tiny little niche platform, or grow into a decent-sized ecosystem.
Hats off to Nicco1690 for such a fantastic job converting that music
Also, David, maybe you could just slow the animation speed of the backgrounds to make them less distracting.
Wow Tran, he's still around. Cool!
I'm surprised too, considering the stories I heard about him :D
This is a really well done and well paced video, thank you.
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I'm deeply impressed with your skills level. Love it.
A very solid port and nice summary of how you got past the various challenges. You are spot on with the recommendation for programmers who are learning to start with a game with simple mechanics, it allows you to make a completed game sooner and learn about all of the supplementary things you need in every game to finish them off.
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So good! Great work as ever!
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Super cool! Can't wait to play it!
You guys did an excellent job with this port.
Doing this in assembly language wouldn't be easy either.
The porting of the music was well done too.
Great work!
Very impressive and looks and sounds superb!
Youre amazing. Happy new year
Fun stuff! Looking forward to launch day for the production hardware.
I really look forward to your videos
awesome project. well done!!!
Wow. What an amazing job you peeps did!
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Home run! Alway love an 8-Bit Guy video!
Always a joy to watch your enthousiasm for retro computing
Great job. Fascinating.
This is a wonderful demonstration of some of the challenges and creativity that came with porting games back in the day. Nowadays the main consoles and PCs all have very similar hardware and capabilities, but back in the 90s two systems would have wildly different internals with very different capabilities. Some things straight up were not possible to port over and other things required getting creative. It led to some incredible pieces of coding as programmers worked to utilize every trick in the book to squeeze what they wanted out of the hardware available.
The demoscene was and remains one of the coolest things to ever emerge out of coding. Pushing hardware limitations into an artform and creating some absolutely wild things. A personal favorite of mine being .Kkrieger. An FPS with some rather impressive visuals that fits in only a couple of kilobytes of storage!
Very nice!! I am really looking forward to the X16 launch.
Awesome video as always.
1:37 HWHILE made me remember of the cool HWHIP gag from family guy
Wow dude, you put a LOT of work into that. Awesome results! I think I like the new music better too.
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Amazing Video. Still Impressed when people still develop in Assembly. Would love to know this too.
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*Love the work , keep it up*
Congratulations! What a cool accomplishment! Huge respect!
🤦♂️😂😂😂 I had not started the video and was just so amazed by the title that you ported x-init! Looks like I got ahead of myself 😂😂 either way I’m sure the game port is cool too.
Always love seeing ports like this! Really shows your knowledge of how the programming of the machines you’re using 🤓
Super fun and addicting. The background animations are great. I had a hard time trying to stop playing. ha ha. Runs well on the emulator. Thanks.
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Wow. Just wow! Well done indeed! That 8-bit block set is my favourite! Oddly enough this game reminds me of Popcap's Bejeweled Classic that I sometimes play on the iPad as a casual no-brainer fun game!
Really nice port. Sound conversion is amazing. All the work that has been put in has really paid dividends 👍😁
That turned out amazingly well. :)
Very Impressive, I can't get over how well the music turned out!
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Amazing work! I love it!
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Thanks for another informative, enjoyable episode.
That looks amazing!!!!
Great work!!!
I first saw "I made a port of XINIT to the X16" :D Love your videos, thanks!
Great job! It looks great!
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Awesome work. You have gone above and beyond to make that port as close to the original as possible. Btw. you should have a look at "TRSE" (Turbo Rascal Syntax Error). It's an IDE written by Democoders to create software for old systems (C64, NES, C128, ...) with a pascal like syntax. Much easier to code then assembler and most of the hardware-specific memory locations are also mapped to variables.
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Nice to see you using Paint Shop Pro 6. My 1998 version of Paint Shop Pro 5 is still my go-to basic photo editor.
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Amazing! Can’t wait to get my hands on an X16!
Fun conversion. Kudos.
That Xixit soundtrack ran on my headphones for hours! Soooo many hours! And I think, it will again…
4 weeks to do this in assembly is absolutely mind boggling! Excellent work man. I can't wait to someday get myself a real Commander X16! Also, if you ever want something like a nice retro style walnut case for your X16, I'd love to make it! I'm a woodworker in my spare time.
Great video, its great to see how others port games from one system to another.
Well done!
loved the making a game port overview. I would definitely be keen to watch a deeper dive.
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Awesome job. Thank you for sharing that with us.
My initial interest in the Commander was mildly curious, but videos like this are changing that, and I'm probably going to download the emulator the first chance I get.
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Great video. Didn't think I would care about a video where you port a dos game, but I am surprisingly impressed with the video and have a new found appreciation for the work and effort you put into it.
Thank you for showcasing the use of Furnace Tracker in Commander X16 development! This open-source project is still in development and helps are appreciated!
“ One of the first PC games to actually look as good as an arcade machine of the era”
This is the point I always try to make when people wonder what happened to arcades. The atmosphere of an arcade may have been amazing, but the main draw was that you couldn’t get graphics anywhere near an arcade at home… That’s just not true anymore
nicely done! you know your oldschool tricks!!!
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Nice work David.
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5:25 That x16 version is so incredible.. This whole "labor of love" project is full frontal, awesome.
That's really quick for such a high quality port! Well done! That fm music, I actually prefer it over the original!
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The early 90's was GREAT! Awesome Content! 👍🏻🇺🇲
That's pretty darn cool, thanks for sharing!
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Wow! You did it the way pretty much like old-school game developers. It's like feeling yourself young again!
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Wow amazing job on the music reproduction to the artist
very very cool, bravo on the hard work.
Man, I used to play this game A LOT back in the day. Great job with the port!
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Nice work!
Awesome, can't wait 😄
I love that Thomas gave his blessing. That's just so nice! Well done on this. Great choices and it looks grand. Xixit was one of my favourite 90's games. So addictive. Can't wait to buy a x16
nice. The music is awesome!
Does look good and the music is an evolution from the original. Great work David. 4 weeks IS impressive.
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Amazing conversion and I like the "making of" style of this video.
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Great overview Video thx a lot. Would Love to See a more detailed Video Illustrating more Code, the tooling and so on.
Btw - Future Crew built the first version of what would become Epic Pinball for the PC
future crew morphed into remedy sort of.
anyway who would become digital extremes wrote epic pinball, supposedly with some input from fc guys or something like that.
plenty of demoscene coders ended up in the industry though
Remedy wasn't just Future Crew, they asked all kinds of demo groups to join them.
Wasn't James Schmalz the one who worked on Epic Pinball? He had no affiliations with Future Crew, and end up establishing Digital Extremes.
From the credits, FC's involvement is minimal.
@@MakotoIchinose They had an unfinished pinball game demo. Tim Sweeney couldn’t convince them to join Epic, so Schmalz built a new version from scratch.
Without the FC, I doubt that Epic would have built it.
AFAIK after seeing Final Reality, Tim Sweeney was so impressed he wanted to hire the Future Crew. They showed him a pinball game demo they've been making, but they didn't want Epic Games to finish it, so they hired Schmalz to make one from scratch. He did it in 9 months, pure assembly, while in college
Well done! :-), wait for the x16 to be available!!!
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Always fun to hear the names of anyone from Renaissance back in the day! Ambience was running on at least one computer in my house at some point during the day for years. I probably ran it in MS-DOS on my Windows machines until 2000 when compatibility broke hard.