Sevan is looking at this from an old man back-in-my-day mentality. He's incredibly off base here, but even more is that his argument doesn't really make sense. It's almost like he doesn't have a coherent one on this.
@@JoyceElFer I think Sevan means that the sport needs to grow organically, based on the interest from the audience and not by CrossFit dictating the cash flows. But I don't know what is CrossFit's commitment to the sport, and what they can do. Maybe negotiate better deals with sponsors and work on creating more awareness?
Sevan’s logic and his understanding of free market & how to grow CrossFit the sport appears rudimentary. Paying the players better will attract more professional & better players. This is the investment you make to make the sport attractive to players & in turn attract sponsors & media deals. The logic is not that hard.
...$5k max the same year they add "online CF Level 1" courses. Guys sending CF a thousand bucks with no cost to CF for travel or pay for instructors. First a new owner and now hiring a guy from Nike to be new president- we get this cost cutting, plus "affiliate programming" projected to make millions annually. CF will be Coca-Cola/Taco Bell in a few years
@@stephaniebrooks3629 in his defense it’s entirely possible he’s just doing it for the sake of entertainment/being contrarian - I enjoy listening either way. HQ has had so much corruption/controversy with their treatment of staff/athletes though that I think he’d probably do well to acknowledge it and shine a light on it considering they can’t fire him anymore lol. I believe in you Sevan
What if CrossFit does something like the USA Olympic committee. The U.S Olympic committee pays the athletes on the team a small salary to help with training. It’s not alot but I think it’s like $30,000 a year or something like that. Probably more in today world but still not much! What if CrossFit only pays the 40 men and 40 women who qualify individually a small monthly stipend to help with training costs. If the athlete don’t qualify the following year then they lose it
That's why so many athletes (guess that's more a Europe thing) are in the Army. They get their salary and train for an (mostly) olympic sport, could be Weightlifting, could be Gymnastics, could be Archery,.. stuff that most of the times isn't so big you could make a living in most countries
i think they are underestimating just how much extra money would need to be added into the prize purse to allow enough ppl to become full time athletes. this would easily turn into 5-10 million dollars extra if you were to payout on average all men and women in the 75-125K range
All you guys hating on Sevan don't realize you need someone like him to create a discussion, I'm sure everyone would love to watch Mat and Josh just agree with each other for an hour...
Sports favor bigger markets, in the US, in Germany, in the UK you can earn much more from sponsorships through side stuff (e.g. Social Media) even with less success in sport. Crossfit is a Sport that's big enough to pay out more and especially make it not a loss of money when they go to the world championshop. A Sport this big, should not make athletes pay.
People wanting a greater payment for achievement is part of what capitalism is. There is a myth that the free market means the larger party in a negotiation dictates all.
All Crossfit needs to do to grow the prize pool would be bring in(or keep Sponsors) that kick in money to the prize pot. Look at Reebok doing their revenge money of 10K for athletes who wear their gear and win events. Just get sponsors to kick in and pay the athletes more. Its not hard for Crossfit to figure this stuff out, either they dont want to pay more, or they are incompetent.
I guess it really depends on sponsor revenues, ad revenues, and all the other streams of income from the games. How much does Reebok, rogue, etc make in their increased sales from the sponsorship and ad exposure from the games? I’m guessing a lot, but who knows. If it really is a big revenue stream for them, they should be able to negotiate sponsors kicking in prize money, and if the numbers make sense they would willingly do it. More prize money = better competition = growth of the sport = more views and exposure = more revenue for sponsor companies as a direct result of the growth of the games. It’s not complicated, the sponsors probably are happy just making big revenues and not having to kick in anything in return.
I think Sevan means that the sport needs to grow organically, based on the interest from the audience and not by CrossFit dictating the cash flows. But I don't know what is CrossFit's commitment to the sport, and what they can do. Maybe negotiate better deals with sponsors and work on creating more awareness?
Sevan needs to shut up and let the guys speak sometimes. Stop trying to say something controversial, just to get a great sub clip and publicity out of it...
Man these guys. Knocking the sport that made them. If they actually cared about it they would get more involved in the business and get shit done instead of always crying like babies.
Sevan is looking at this from an old man back-in-my-day mentality. He's incredibly off base here, but even more is that his argument doesn't really make sense. It's almost like he doesn't have a coherent one on this.
He doesn’t have a coherent one on anything
This episode made me like Bridges even more then before. The fire 🔥 is real. Lol.
I’d love to see this podcast without Sevan
Then you wouldn't see the opposing arguments and you wouldn't give the chance for the others to express their opinions.
@@JoyceElFer I think Sevan means that the sport needs to grow organically, based on the interest from the audience and not by CrossFit dictating the cash flows. But I don't know what is CrossFit's commitment to the sport, and what they can do. Maybe negotiate better deals with sponsors and work on creating more awareness?
Sounds like society hates opposite opinions… Better cancel it than discuss it
why do Mat and Josh put up with Sevan? He's clueless.
And he has this smugness about him, even though he has no platform without sitting on the other 2 guys shoulders
Sevan’s logic and his understanding of free market & how to grow CrossFit the
sport appears rudimentary.
Paying the players better will attract more professional & better players. This is the investment you make to make the sport attractive to players & in turn attract sponsors & media deals. The logic is not that hard.
Sevans entire intellect is rudimentary at best. His takes on things are consistently awful and really just meant to spark engagement.
What was illogical about it?
...$5k max the same year they add "online CF Level 1" courses. Guys sending CF a thousand bucks with no cost to CF for travel or pay for instructors. First a new owner and now hiring a guy from Nike to be new president- we get this cost cutting, plus "affiliate programming" projected to make millions annually.
CF will be Coca-Cola/Taco Bell in a few years
Great conversation. Keep this topic up.
Sevan still repping HQ party lines but just no paycheck anymore lol. C’mon bro you can think free now they don’t own you anymore haha
Hahahah ya it’s a little embarrassing
@@stephaniebrooks3629 in his defense it’s entirely possible he’s just doing it for the sake of entertainment/being contrarian - I enjoy listening either way.
HQ has had so much corruption/controversy with their treatment of staff/athletes though that I think he’d probably do well to acknowledge it and shine a light on it considering they can’t fire him anymore lol. I believe in you Sevan
What if CrossFit does something like the USA Olympic committee. The U.S Olympic committee pays the athletes on the team a small salary to help with training. It’s not alot but I think it’s like $30,000 a year or something like that. Probably more in today world but still not much! What if CrossFit only pays the 40 men and 40 women who qualify individually a small monthly stipend to help with training costs. If the athlete don’t qualify the following year then they lose it
That's why so many athletes (guess that's more a Europe thing) are in the Army.
They get their salary and train for an (mostly) olympic sport, could be Weightlifting, could be Gymnastics, could be Archery,.. stuff that most of the times isn't so big you could make a living in most countries
People need to watch these events. No views no money, it’s that simple.
Swim paddle isn’t bringing in the eyes, sorry.
i think they are underestimating just how much extra money would need to be added into the prize purse to allow enough ppl to become full time athletes. this would easily turn into 5-10 million dollars extra if you were to payout on average all men and women in the 75-125K range
All you guys hating on Sevan don't realize you need someone like him to create a discussion, I'm sure everyone would love to watch Mat and Josh just agree with each other for an hour...
Yeah for real, discussions are boring when everyone agrees and never disagrees and have their own opinion on the matter
Sports favor bigger markets, in the US, in Germany, in the UK you can earn much more from sponsorships through side stuff (e.g. Social Media) even with less success in sport.
Crossfit is a Sport that's big enough to pay out more and especially make it not a loss of money when they go to the world championshop.
A Sport this big, should not make athletes pay.
People wanting a greater payment for achievement is part of what capitalism is. There is a myth that the free market means the larger party in a negotiation dictates all.
All Crossfit needs to do to grow the prize pool would be bring in(or keep Sponsors) that kick in money to the prize pot. Look at Reebok doing their revenge money of 10K for athletes who wear their gear and win events. Just get sponsors to kick in and pay the athletes more. Its not hard for Crossfit to figure this stuff out, either they dont want to pay more, or they are incompetent.
I guess it really depends on sponsor revenues, ad revenues, and all the other streams of income from the games. How much does Reebok, rogue, etc make in their increased sales from the sponsorship and ad exposure from the games? I’m guessing a lot, but who knows. If it really is a big revenue stream for them, they should be able to negotiate sponsors kicking in prize money, and if the numbers make sense they would willingly do it. More prize money = better competition = growth of the sport = more views and exposure = more revenue for sponsor companies as a direct result of the growth of the games. It’s not complicated, the sponsors probably are happy just making big revenues and not having to kick in anything in return.
Sevan shut up long enough to let josh talk.
I think Sevan means that the sport needs to grow organically, based on the interest from the audience and not by CrossFit dictating the cash flows. But I don't know what is CrossFit's commitment to the sport, and what they can do. Maybe negotiate better deals with sponsors and work on creating more awareness?
Seven is the biggest tool
I already figured it out
Well the prize pool is there. But why is HQ dictating for less now?
💣 💥Boom!!!
Sevan is so wrong about this, “just do what Rich did, you shouldn’t have to be paid more”
Just making a ton of strawman arguments.
Sevan needs to shut up and let the guys speak sometimes. Stop trying to say something controversial, just to get a great sub clip and publicity out of it...
Yo fook sevan yeh
Their cycles alone cost more than 25k 😆
You could get a year worth of quality gear for less than 3k.
@@DNAOrbb I was talking about elite crossfiters, not recreational gym goers.
Sevan is chatting rubbish, the podcasts are much better when he speaks less
Sevan always has the worst examples and explanations. Paying the 3rd place finisher has NOTHING to do with Capitalism and Free Markets. lol
Man these guys. Knocking the sport that made them. If they actually cared about it they would get more involved in the business and get shit done instead of always crying like babies.