Premire Pro hates me it seems. It replaced my Rec Room avatar in the twitter section with the bloxy news avatar.... Sorry about any confusion. It's just a glitch that happened while rendering.
I felt a great disturbance in the Quest, as if thousands of voices suddenly cried out in prepubescence and were suddenly silenced. I fear something awesome has happened.
@@whatamisupposedtodoput One lil sh!t kept say the N word after every sentence . Apparently EVERYONE was Gay who didn't give them attention as well ! I think I'll have a word with their parents with a virtual Doomslayer Shotgun .
Something that worries me about the whole children ban is that some people of age might be falsely reported just because their voice sounds young. Might even happen to me lol
...I think you'll be OK. I don't have much faith in meta but I think they can mange to not ban ppl for sounding young...but yea this is meta so I hope you guys don't have issues. I think this will be the equivalent of clicking yes on a website asking if your 18, just lie cuz it's all for show and it's not heavly enforced
thats just confusing. Id say to only reinforce parental permissions for under 13s- (e.g parents be able to ban kids from certain apps) not just straight up get rid of them And, as someone who got puberty very late, I can imagine loads of people thinking 13 or 14 year olds are under 13 and reporting them :/
That's a good idea. Let the parents say what is ok or not ok for their kid. Some kids may be mature enough for online. Also it would prevent kids having nightmares about stuff like FNAF.
The thing was, children weren't meant to be on Quest 2s in particular, and all Meta is doing is enforcing this. I know that the few times myself or others I've met have had issues in VR has been due to squeakers and I'm honestly happy that they are getting punted. In reailty, the moment one of those kids saw anything or had an issue, their irresponsible parents woulda tried to point the blame at anybody but themselves. It's not a popular opinion, but it's a realistic one. Right now with VR getting shat on by the media and also from the dummies that are hating purely for clicks, the last thing we as a community need is VR coming under fire because some children started playing B&S nomad or similar titles and now needs therapy because it overloaded their developing minds. That's not even taking into account that a small kid with a developing body having a headset pulling their head down for hours a day with potentially incorrect IPD. This problem needs studied over a longer period. Either way, there is a mountain of reasons a child shouldn't be in VR, and the only opposing arguement is "what if people get angry with us?", and that shouldn't carry any weight.
Quest 2 is a VR headset with games shared by the members of an ENTIRE family. Since when did Quest 2 attach any conditions on a Quest 2 device stating that any kid in any family CANNOT use Quest 2? Do you have a brain?
Actually, I remember a study that showed long sessions of VR for 8 year could affect some of their development when it comes to independent movement from the direction of their head. Little spurts every no and then doesn't seem harmful, but kids shouldn't have all access to the internet, let alone a VR social platform, to begin with. That's just parents being irresponsible
@@JimCreates I think you also understand that it was a legal decision. If they didn't do this they could get it trouble for exposing children to cursing and alike.
As being a 12 year old and turning a teen In July I can see why they are going to remove us. I feel bad because I loved talking to people on VR and getting to know different lifestyles. I was so chill and I got to play with my friends too. A lot of my friends are older than me so they won’t be kicked. I also feel bad for the parents that got their kids a headset not too long ago. My favorite game was rec room and gorilla tag. I seriously hate what they are going to do because I was super nice & mature to people on those platforms, I’ve gone through nice and bad people on VR but what I love most is getting on that thing and meeting new people. Guess this is goodbye from the kids community. 👋
I feel bad for the kids who were actually chill and mature on the app, which in my experience there are lots of, but its also good that some immature kids are taken off the app. But kids arent dumb aswell and will make a new account which is 18+ anyway.
So I have a question does that mean that if someone in a voice chat game sounds like a kid when they’re using voice chat does that mean that they will get banned?
I felt a sudden silence in most games the past few days. I am just SO glad the toxic mice scatter around. But it's still sad how some kids with vr are actually really chill and kind but are still getting pushed away from their fun even tho those kind of children don't deserve it.
As much as I side with those kids who are chill, I still would rather companies enforce their age regulations until the children are of age to play the games and use VR. personally I'd rather avoid the risk entirely of little shits in games rather than let them run around in VR screaming racial slurs or dropping F bombs in the game bc someone told them something that they didn't like. Plus parents use VR as a baby sitter as well as video games, so this is technically a step in the right direction if you wanna look at it from a more positive retrospective
The problem with kids in VR is not just about their behavior. Even adults can behave worse than children sometimes. The problem is VR could be harmful to their development. Thrillseeker made a great video about it a few years ago that was based on experimental research. I think this is a great move from Meta. Banning kids account doesn't necessarily permanently remove them from VR. However it gives the clear message to parents that this is not a good practice. Allowing junior accounts gives the false impression for parents that if it is allowed it must be safe.
@@Imafurrynowlol wow what is with the confrontational tone lol? Seems to me you are the one with no filter. I never daid kids are not annoying or never behave badly. What I said is that if it was only for bad behavior, a lot of adults would be banned as well. The reason for the ban is also well known and well documented health issues. I really don't understand your comment when I am agreeing with the ban myself 🤔
When quest 2 came out I got banned for being to young and was refused unban multiple times even with official documents showing my age, all I will say about my age was that I was over 13 at the time
I say: let the kids be mad. It's sad that some kids who sound young will be banned. It's sad that some kids who have a good foundation and head on their shoulders will also be banned. I've had dialog with some kids who were really cute and innocent on VRChat before, but I almost felt guilty letting them leave my sight (yes, it's that bad.). I'd love a way for kids to get to engage in a civil positive and safe environment and fall in love with VR at the same time, but that's is 100% a pipe dream when it comes to the internet. Parents ultimately should be responsible for their kids, period. If only that's all that need be said... There are far too many abusive, ignorant, or irresponsible parents to allow the platforms to get a pass on minor moderation. VRChat is evidence of that. As a user with over 1k hours, I can confirm. It's a glorified VR bar riddled with people with mental illness and poor judgement. Maybe one day there will be an outlet for them, but it's not in the immediate future nor is it current.
I agree with your part about feeling sort of protective over the nice types of kids! There’s been times on VRC where I’ve met some really cute and sweet kids, and I end up feeling kind of responsible for them 😅 but I know that’s not how it should be. I suppose in the first place I shouldn’t even have to be being a babysitter for this stranger’s child, even if I don’t mind doing it 😅 Like you said, parents just need to be more responsible!
Thank you. I'm seeing so many lame responses to this news: "Heh, epic! Awesome!" "Fuck off, squeakers!" and other comments that tell exactly how little they care about the children affected by these decisions, while making me wonder just how much older the people saying these things really are. I sincerely hope they're just teenagers failing to find a way to express the relief that meta didn't make the device strictly 18+. I'd expect the average teenager of 2022 to evolve past Modern Warfare 2 Xbox LIVE 2007 lobbies, but its remake did just come out, so...
Main reason why kids shouldn’t be on oculus; Internet safety. With that your child could talk to anyone. I wouldn’t want my 4 year olddaughter talking to a 19-20 year old.
I hope Meta/Facebook has a notice system in place for accounts that are at risk of being banned from Quest platforms. I have my doubts that parents buy VR headsets for their young children. I see it as the parents buying the headsets for themselves, and when they're done with it for the time being, the children use end up using it. And I'm sure they're also using their parent's account. Absolutely the parents should be involved enough to recognize that their children are socializing in VR, but an email notification before the account gets a ban, and a way to offer valid form of ID and age verification to stop a ban of your account should be offered.
I'm sorry. My parent has bought an Oculus specifically for us. You saw it a different way, yes, I see. My parent has never used the headset, except for when we first got it and they had allowed us to use it. Yes, we are using their account. Yes, absolutely they are involved enough. I have told them lots of stories. And.. yes.. 50/50 chance that my parent would send them an ID of some sort and do age verification. Tragic, isn't it? Once again, sorry for your loss.
the 13 age limit actually was enforced, dont forget facebook was previoulsy required when Quest 2 launched and that required an account no younger than 13 years of age, thats where the age limit came from. now that facebook isnt required they most likely wanted to bump it up which I personally agree with tbh. VR isnt healthly for kids, in both a social aspect but also a medical aspect, under developing kids and kids growing up, eye sight can be an issue when they are older due to the eyes constantly trying to adapt to VRs 1.4m distance and having incorrect IPD settings can also lead to issues.
Because telling kids they can't do something always works and they are way to pea brained to cirumvent the high security screening. This move will help legally I bet and that is likely all they actually care about.
@@Ratboycure While I agree that they will do those things they're not supposed to do, that doesn't mean people should just give up and contribute to it.
I'm 26 and I LOVE VR. Most of my experiences are nearly ruined because I'm surrounded by literal toddlers. Hopefully this will at least make a *temporary* dent in the squeaker population.
The thing that concerns me is that I'm the appropriate age to be on Rec room or other VR games, but I sound younger then what I am. So people might falsely report a person that has the curse of sounding younger.
It will make no differance as kids already just use adult accounts. It is more a political thing than an actual thing. Just like age veriication on websites.
the main problem that I see with Meta doing this, is that the junior accounts didn't allow to speak with others so I think that the amount of children talking into the mics will rise eventually Is sort of trying to fix a problem creating another worse
In other words, they simply made the problem way worse than it should be and they should consider getting rid of what's causing the problem instead of the problem itself.
this is honestly the best news ive heard in a while, I've been cursed out and called a special slur so many times by kids sounding nearly 9 or younger, so this is honestly a calling to me to even get back into playing vr. ( I quit vr because of all the kids)
If a child is being annoying just tell and explain to them how. That is how maturity develops. Maturity has nothing to do with age, it is more or less having a general respect for things around you and realizing that 18+ stuff is not necessary to have a good time. If the child still doesn't stop however, than you can either mute or report them.
They need to do this to VR chat too, kids shouldn't be allowed in public social rooms without supervision. Heck feel like you should have locks on your account till you are not underage with how much adult stuff actually does go on even in public worlds sometimes to limit what worlds you can go to and who can interact with you, or something like "minior only" worlds for just them. Also youtubers really need to stop targeting children and trying to pull them into these places and pretending it's not fair and all this other crap, because kids tend to listen to people they like so if they are watching you and you are acting like a baby, they are going to act like babies too.
The unfortunate side of "Kids only" servers/rooms/envirements is that dangerous adults could create jr accounts in order to be placed with these children, possibly pretending to be someone's parent to avoid suspicion. Instead of Meta placing the man-power to ensure these areas are safe for children it's cleaner for them to "ban" children and place responsiblity on the parents if they sneak in.
One of my friend's coworkers ran around VR chat yelling out racial slurs and violent death threats for "teh lulz0rs" so I don't doubt that kids are being bombarded with negativity.
I think this was definitely a good move for Meta but at the same time it has its consequences But from my side of the story, I'm kind of glad because I am always constantly running into screaming kids in multiplayer games
But here's the thing, it's not going to be thousands, it will be millions. Quest 2 sold 14.8 million units and studies suggest roughly 4 million are in the hands of children above 5 years old and below 14 years, mostly as a "childcare tool", making the child the world's problem. Guarantee a few class actions will be heading to Meta and Rec Room, Karens flaunting their hairstyles and anger ablaze because how dare we (insert problem here)
Honeslty I kinda agree kids under 13 really shouldn’t be in vr not because I think they just don’t belong but because as he said the stuff they will be exsposed to
I feel that this Junior Account ban won't stop many children, not because they can make alternative accounts or anything of the sort but simply because Rec Room is on a lot of other platforms, including mobile. In most cases, those who have a headset also have a smartphone which is able to run rec room. It certainly eliminates the possibility of using the VR features for the children, but they'll still be there in masses considering some have great value towards their Rec Room accounts.
just make duplicate accounts and use the same email if you’re smart enough to remember it reck room still Ban. But it’ll be hard because of: duplicate account (OK do I even need to say anything else)
If that is so, What about the games themselves without VR???? Kids play with all kinds of gadgets, what makes VR any different. Just print out, we are not liable for any injuries or heath issues.
@@dathyr1 other games could be harmful for kids. That is why they have age restrictions up to even 18 yo on Steam. Just like movies, nothing new. However, VR has an additional danger on kids which is physical harm to their development. So both can be bad but VR is worse.
@@aravr_project yeah that was based on nothing but fear mongering. This one is based on real scientific data. You can't just dismiss it just because you like games.
It's about the law relating to data collection. There are very different regulations for people under 13 and over 13. Meta cannot plead ignorance and saying they didn't know children under 13 were on the platform when one of the titles on said platform offers junior accounts.
I think removing junior accounts isn’t going to stop kids from doing things they shouldn’t do, but the complete opposite, they are just going to create an average acc and talk to strangers and THEN seeing things they shouldn’t
I agree many other 13+ platforms have the same problem kids think it’s cool wanna do it oh there’s no junior account thing? Make a 13+ account I mean I did that when I was like 10 about 4 years ago saw some stuff I shouldn’t have seen sadly because I was like Oo this is cool lemme make an account
Finally someone is speaking about this!! I've been saying this everywhere because this, of course, is exactly what they've done. Rec-Room was awesome, it was kinda hard to take in the fact that our parent had bought the Oculus for us, and then thinking that I would have to leave my headset to rot unused for one more year. It's insanity.
This is a good thing I say good riddance. Kids were making every social VR application a nightmare and in my opinion holding them back from being what they could be.
As a Rec Room content creator (just starting out) I can say this will just make kiddos make fake-age accounts and will be more disruptive as junior accounts couldn't hear or talk to other players. This will only expose kiddos into possible danger. The restrictions for anyone under 13.
@@ZincLeadAlloy Not sure that matters. Kids are kids, 1 to 2 years age discrepancy is worth the inaccuracy and then some. I'd welcome a ban on anyone under the age of 15, if it came to it. 13 is fair because it's targetting prepubescents who can easily be weeded out as soon as they open their mouth.
Honestly this was a good move. Although VR can be a great tool and fun for games, it should definitely be regulated for impressionable children. Actually made a song about this situation on my channel!
I'm so HAPPY about this. I stayed away from a lot of Social VR because of the "Squeakers" in VR and their behavior! IT was so bad, and ruined all the experiences.
@@TheVRtist not really, some kids who aren’t weird cringe factory’s such as myself just want to have a good time and chill with friends but we can’t because of this dumb update
@@cjmodmanboom8518 Go outside and hang with your friends! You've got plenty of time to wreck your brain after... You have all the freedom in the world right now with limited obligations. Plus, when it's your turn to slap on the headsets it'll be a better experience by then. Don't neglect your youth staring at LED lenses.
I don't really get the point of banning junior accounts the point of that was to heavily restrict the content the kids could actually see. However disabling that just means that more kids will use regular accounts and be exposed to even more content.
I have no idea about this but can you still get banned or get in trouble if you were not on a junior account even if you were 12 or younger before even if you would be older now? Cause if you would, I would be in trouble
In so far as I understand Rec Room and Rec Room Inc are still an indie dev, and one that publishes mini games that may be geared towards a younger audiences. Meta has been doing everything in it's power to protect itself from COPPA and having one of it's more-if-not-most actively used games be a 'children's game' is going to be a hard one to explain in court if that gavel should coming a'swinging at them again. Instead of just snipping the cable between Rec Room's Oculus-specific revenue and itself Meta is giving them a chance to make themselves more 'Meta appropriate', and it's in the hands of Rec Room Inc as to what they decide to do now. Of course Meta could just STOP collecting data on their user base and they'd be all set, but that'll be the day.
I don't know why Meta didn't just buy Rec Room and repurpose that to integrate with their vision instead of spending billions to develop an inferior product lol. Would have cost less to buy Rec Room AND VRchat, and take all the good ideas from both.
There is even a set of regulations for 7 and up which is what Nintendo uses. Would allow for some data collection, the data just wouldn't be as valuable, so you can bet how quickly the company with the falling stock price will adopt something less profitable lol.
Breaking the controllers has literally nothing to do with this. Although I am not one of the kids who has never done such a thing with those neat controllers sitting on the desk, that's kind of a mild thing. It's just technology. But the real problem is that kids just tend to be annoying, and simply Oculus has just made it worse. It's self-explanatory.
if the kids parents are allowing them in a VR chatroom unsupervised then they've already seen everything the internet could possibly desensitize them with
@random yt gamer children are smarter then adults at this point. Because adults always think they have more power and limit what children can do and see and use. Every time there is damn kids vs adults challenge people stupidly say adults win instantly. Kids probably know this thereselfs which is why they are smarter. I will teach my kid about p●rn and s×x
I am incredibly happy about this!! As someone who mainly plays echo vr, it gets really annoying when you have little kids and teens screaming swears, explicit language, ect.
@@sebbastiann I doubt you are fine lmfao probably no friends or social life outside of VR and very socially stunted and it’s not like you can notice your own brain being stunted in development lmfao it’s a literal study that showed this.
If a child is being annoying just tell and explain to them how. That is how maturity develops. Maturity has nothing to do with age, it is more or less having a general respect for things around you and realizing that 18+ stuff is not necessary to have a good time. If the child still doesn't stop however, than you can either mute or report them.
@@deutschegeschichte4972 it's not that they're being annoying necessarily - the issue is many of them aren't interested in playing the games - it's just a social space for them - to me vr is mainly a gaming device with the occasional entertainment - so to me rec room could be a great GAME as opposed to just some social space - i wish they had rec room, games only edition where you just jump into games
No, before even watching this video, and btw your content is great and all; I wanted to say that kids being exposed to unregulated VR is dangerous especially when there are video games that include rated R content example: Boneworks and it's new modding system gives you access to 18+ content. Or multiple games you can sideload onto your quest that shouldn't be played by kids. EDIT - you touched on the topic thank you
To be fair if its 18 plus it really shouldn't be played by anyone. Including adults. Doing 18+ stuff does not make you mature, maturity is essentially a state in which you have a general respect for people/objects around you.
What's sad is that most of these kids have earned and bought things on that account only to be rejected, they were probably so happy when they got their oculus for their birthday only to lose it all, meta is crap and bought out oculus just to enforce some stupid rules and ruins gameplay, kids are very aware of their influence and role models and are capable of knowing what's going on by standards, they are not just kids.
alright so i used to play rec room ALOT so i know alot about this. junior accounts could not speak or hear anyone so most of the time you would not notice junior accounts, the annoying kids that people are always complaining about were always faking their age to get onto adult accounts, so not only is this barley doing anything, but its bringing more kids onto adult accounts to annoy people
It's just about Meta covering their butt so they don't get fined. Junior accounts is proof that users under 13 are using the device and the laws about data collection for young children are very strict, and Meta doesn't want to go by those requirements so they just say nobody under 13.
@@Thezuule1 And then there's me who is an idiot, got rid of my old account which was junior, made a new account, but was like "I don't want this VC thing. I don't care what possibilities it opens up." and proceeds to disable it. I just love how right after that I had walked into a huge group of kids.
Like you mentioned in the video how kids will just make other accounts and create a fake date of birth concerns me. While I don't really care about children getting banned, I do care about Meta's way of enforcing things. I wonder if eventually they will require ID verification in order to own an account. This could be a big burden for many because we simply do NOT want to trust Zuckerberg with our personal information (we all know why). This could end up killing the quest 2/quest pro in the end.
i mean if you already have a fb account, they ask for you ID to verify your identity anyway if you want access to your account. and meta already has all your payment info assuming youre not a pirate. (therefore billing info that shows where you live)... location info... search data, etc. is a piece of plastic with your face on it really that bad? itll deal with the issue much more effectively, and if privacy is your main concern, you really shouldnt have bought into the FB ecosystem.
Like, I play Rec Room alot. It’s gonna be so weird without all the people shouting and screaming at everyone. I, on the other hand, was always chill. Nothing concerned me. I’m kinda shy in real life aswell, so it makes sense . If something is happening , I just walk away and don’t talk. I am muted most of the time, so I don’t really talk to people online, really only my friends and my family and people in my school. No one else
It shattered me when I cant play vrchat anymore because I don’t know how to get my meta account thing to work with my quest so now I can’t see my friends anymore 😢
You don’t really have to worry about this unless your under the age of 12 because by the age of twelve you should be able to pull off a fake 13 yr old. Aslong as you just don’t tell your age. But I do feel bad for the kids that’s are just chilling because if they spent a lot of money on games on their headset that will be permanently deleted and they might never be able to play it again even when they are the correct age.
That's what I'm worried about. I only have like a year left until I'm 13. But like, why would I leave a headset that is fully functioning UNUSED and rotting? No way I'm gonna do that.
im about 12 but i sound like a 5 year old girl so i might get banned, but the only games i really use voice chat or have voice chat is gun raiders, among us vr, rec room (i rarely play that game i only play it with my friends) and gorilla tag, but the only ones i actually play out of those is among us vr and gun raiders
There are one or two things to say: 1: Its a bit harsh and a perfect "Flattening a moskito with an RPG" move by meta. 2: This is still the right decision by meta, as those minors are a pain in most games with VR games being expotentially worse (because of stuff like you not being able to just turn the sound down fast on most vr headsets). By far its not all of them, but if you only had a screaming 12 year old in your lobby, youll exacly know what i mean. The problem: As often said, the kids, arent dumb, and most of them will just make an account with a fake age. Who wouldnt? I did this for like 5-10 years until i was 18. How often do you think i was cought with my 2 dozen accounts in different things? ONCE (by youtube). And that wasnt even stopping me from making another working account. Its not about playing videogames with kids. Most of the time its pretty fun if you (a random guy), have the chance to teach some young person about your hobby just like someone did for you just some years before. I had several of this experiences. Some even became some kind of friendships and regular Minecraft gaming sessions with someone who just is half my age (no, not the weird kind of this) and i teached him how to play Minecraft (and he learned faster and is as good as me now). But VR is a different thing. Its like you are there, and with the right equipment its the perfect imersion. I own a Valve Index and im still amazed how real some games can feel using it. This can be dangerous to young kids that cant really tell whats real. Even i had some nightmares about being eaten alive by Headcrabs after playing Half life Alyx (possibly a bad example, but you should get my thinking). And i cant really imagine how dangerous this could be to the mind of someone a lot younger. I had some fears about some things that were generated by me watching stuff in TV that i shouldnt have. And I think having this in VR (often feeling just like reality) could be expotentially worse.
i'm both happy and scared about meta enforcing the age limit because i will both no longer see kids in servers but also i sound like a squeaker myself so i'm scared that i will get falsebanned for being under 13
BEST NEWS EVER! What could be worst than hearing kids yelling, moaning and messing around, specially in games are not made for kids, im talking about contractors, and other shooters that simply work as stress release for adults and suddendy stuck with toddlers, good news and good work meta a long time request finally heared
are you dumb ? they banned junior accounts, the accounts who couldn't speak or hear anything, which means kids will create adults account and now thewy will be even more kisd in games.
@@beanz0102 Oh. Try messing with the guardian floor level settings. Sometimes it makes you taller when adjusting it while doing some sort of pose. I forgot how, but once I did manage to accidently make myself super tall.
@@happypercussionist1 thank you it worked now my guardian teleported into the underworld actually nevermind so I got a little bit taller so now I can reach stuff
Hey, as a 16 year old, I totally agree. I want to be able to play with more people close to my age, and not annoy others. That's the main reason I don't play much of VR multiplayer, I can't find people I can relate to and I worry I will annoy others.
@@DiamondDepthYT Exactly, I grew up playing my 1st person shooter was wolfenstein 3-D, And later on a dial up modem Doom 2. I don't hate the younger generations it's just not the same wavelength from my experiences.
I find the 'meta banning kids from vr' pretty strict. Especially to the children who chill and are just trying to have fun. Hopefully everything goes well.
It's not about the kids, it's proven that children under 13 haven't developed their eyes well enough yet to handle the strong rays emitted from the VR headset. It's a safety thing.
VR being even more immersive socially than regular video games, I always found it weird to be surrounded by kids on a game (gorilla tag, rec room) when I'm 24. I don't even like hanging around teenagers (they can be even worse). It ruins the potentially social aspect of a lot of games for me. I hope once VR becomes more popular it will be more common to be around people your age. But maybe in the future VR can implement something similar to TH-cam kids. And have safe moderated content appropriate for different age ranges.
As a 16 year old I totally agree. I struggle to find people my age in VR, mostly because people are either way too young and annoying or just older than me. I would really appreciate having the option to easily find and play with people my age; though I will say, that type of thing would be very hard to enforce and keep moderated.
If they could have vr just recognize a young kids face vs a older face, that would work, but not facial recognition, just something to tell if someone is younger then they should be in a game that would lock them out completely.
Same. Even if I'm restricted to a few fun games (not saying that there would be very little) , I'm not giving that chance up. We definitely need more opportunities for younger people like me.
I personally think it should stay a recommendation until it becomes an ACTUAL law, fair enough that they will see thing there not meant to see and act ways they arent supposed to but to be fair that's just the way the world works, I am 13 years old I am fully allowed to use my meta quest 2, I just feel that it's unfair that children are unable to use these amazing devices.
I see what your saying as if I were a kid I’d be upset too. However just because it is unfair doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen. Vr is a detriment on kids development and what they see in vr can influence kids in a bad way mentally and physically. They lack the faculties needed to be aloud to make a decision that could effect them for the rest of their lives. Kids aren’t aloud to drive. Is that unfair? Yes you could say it is but that doesn’t mean we should let kids drive. If they were to get in a accident it could kill them or leave them with lifelong injuries. They just don’t have enough life experience to be trusted to mske the right choices. Yes it’s an amazing device but like a car can be very harmful if used irresponsibly
I learned to drive at 12yo - off-road-- but I wouldn’t have wanted to see the lawsuit if someone were hurt in a roadway wreck. At 70, I’d still be paying it off.
@@cluek9780 well so did I but most people don’t start leaning still their older. Just because you did something doesn’t mean others your age can too. The average 12 year old or under kid would not be responsible enough to be given a drivers license. And that’s just the skill aspect. A vr headset being used everyday by a child could affect their development in some way as some others said the weight on your neck, the lenses are so close to your eyes it could permanently impact your vision. It’s the same with driving alcohol cigarettes. Kids will always do them no matter what they are told. So we can’t Expect them to make the right choices
I mean some kids are just chilling multiple ive seen are having a good time and people just Hate them for no reason plus scaring the annoying ones in vr chat
Slightly less? Yeah right. They haven't learned anything in this stupid society. Because now, I'm seeing way more kids than before with 13+ and 18+ accounts. It's not even a good thing anymore that they removed junior accounts.
I agree with rec room blocking kids from using vr, having a screen that close to your eyes at a young age would certainly not be good for your depth perception and all that when you're growing up
So when i started playing rec room, i thought that higher voice mean that it sounded higher and i never knew it was a voces changer, i got a lot of reports till they banned my account :( i was level 38 with 4k tokens
finally, i can play Oculus games without hearing "sussy among sus" "when the imposter is sus" or just screaming from little kids, finally Meta does something right 🙏
thats a pretty bad thing cuz the specific way it impacts ppl like me cuz i sound like a 10yyr old but im 15yrs old so if i get reported i get banned great news
Rec Room [Invention/Room] Builder here: I feel good/worried about this situation at best because not only is nice not having to hear squeakers or kids learning how to say bad words or trying to be funny. but also the other thing that I'm worried about is that most of the player base for rec room will be gone and their wont be as much players in the game for example rec centers and such but these are personally my thoughts. [Edit] By creator I mean: I am a room/invention builder on rec room not the creator of rec room. [You do not have to look at my stuff it's your choice if you wanna see]
I’m mixed, sure the safety of the children and their purity is very important but I think people will get banned for sounding young when they’re 13+, but I feel like there should be a option for children to play without people of a older age (13+) like separated lobby’s. but I think this would go especially well with gorilla tag, although fun, it can really get rid of your purity fast.
Would place too much responsibility on Meta to ensure these are safe areas for kids if implemented. Otherwise malicious adults could create jr accounts and/or pretend to be someone's parent to sneak into these (possibly unsupervised) lobbies.
@@sheerheadache I don't see how this would allow VR to grow, though. Even real people are reckless, as well as teens and adults, not just kids. There's not possibly anyone who is trustworthy of monitoring 24/7 and not slowly losing their mind. It's not a job. We can't put people at work for such a large community.
@@sarahsaleptdpt6879 Oh.. that's nice. Lol, I recommend just doing the motherly/fatherly job of not letting them become idiots though. Hopefully they will have great lives.
I actually love the idea of kids being banned from rec-room because then there wouldn't really be any apps for them to play, and (possibly) with verbal identification, stop kids from playing on vr on the quest 2 all together, so NO MORE SCREAMING KIDS IN PAVLOV
So basically if your young and your adults pay for the headset and kids can’t use it then people just wasted 500-400 dollars bruh they could of us it for anything else I think that they just want to scam people
Yes. Very relatable. It's good that people are trying to help kids stay safe, but if they don't know any dangers or potential hazards, then what uses are their brain for in their lives?
I was in the middle of 3d sharades then it happend...every one went silent I was wondering what happend so I went to my watch then I noticed 2 buttons in my watch dissappeard then I noticed my pfp was gone and so far I've been playing vr FOR 2 YEARS and I've not seen 1 thing bad and I'm really upset because I had so many items and lvl 50 AND RR+ SO AND AROUND 100K REC COINS ALTOGETHER WND ITS ALL GONE AND I THINK META HAS GONA TO FAR WAY TO FAR JUST MALE A SYSTEM WHERE YOU NEED TO PUT IN A THUNG WHERE FOR SOME GAMES YOU PUT IN YOU EMAIL TO PLAY IT
i feel like kids shouldnt be on vr chat but thats it. (Or other kinda weird social apps) Rec room is kinda made for kids, well not made but the main audience of that game is kids.
Premire Pro hates me it seems. It replaced my Rec Room avatar in the twitter section with the bloxy news avatar.... Sorry about any confusion. It's just a glitch that happened while rendering.
Still funny, because RecRoom has always been thought of as a "VR Roblox" in a sense.
Obviously it isn't, but nevertheless that still made me laugh.
@@JakeDRavioli quest 2 has never been a kids device. it's literally written 14+ so that's expectable
@@zackhack_gamer2487 13
@@ssd3303 thats PEGI in britan T for teen games have a 14 plus sometimes
@@Star.6739 but oculus is for 13+
I felt a great disturbance in the Quest, as if thousands of voices suddenly cried out in prepubescence and were suddenly silenced. I fear something awesome has happened.
Any game that has voice chat gets me a headache
It's literally written its 14+ on the headset guides so
They should take this a step further and just explode any headsets that kids use
@@zackhack_gamer2487 13
@@whatamisupposedtodoput One lil sh!t kept say the N word after every sentence . Apparently EVERYONE was Gay who didn't give them attention as well ! I think I'll have a word with their parents with a virtual Doomslayer Shotgun .
Something that worries me about the whole children ban is that some people of age might be falsely reported just because their voice sounds young. Might even happen to me lol
this is my main consern right now due to the fact that i dont really have a good way i can prove my age
Finally, a time when being too shy to talk will benefit me.
Same. I’m 14 and have had people mistake me for a 9 yo 😆
@@Sharkmouth concern*
...I think you'll be OK. I don't have much faith in meta but I think they can mange to not ban ppl for sounding young...but yea this is meta so I hope you guys don't have issues. I think this will be the equivalent of clicking yes on a website asking if your 18, just lie cuz it's all for show and it's not heavly enforced
thats just confusing. Id say to only reinforce parental permissions for under 13s- (e.g parents be able to ban kids from certain apps) not just straight up get rid of them
And, as someone who got puberty very late, I can imagine loads of people thinking 13 or 14 year olds are under 13 and reporting them :/
That's a good idea. Let the parents say what is ok or not ok for their kid. Some kids may be mature enough for online. Also it would prevent kids having nightmares about stuff like FNAF.
The thing was, children weren't meant to be on Quest 2s in particular, and all Meta is doing is enforcing this. I know that the few times myself or others I've met have had issues in VR has been due to squeakers and I'm honestly happy that they are getting punted. In reailty, the moment one of those kids saw anything or had an issue, their irresponsible parents woulda tried to point the blame at anybody but themselves. It's not a popular opinion, but it's a realistic one.
Right now with VR getting shat on by the media and also from the dummies that are hating purely for clicks, the last thing we as a community need is VR coming under fire because some children started playing B&S nomad or similar titles and now needs therapy because it overloaded their developing minds. That's not even taking into account that a small kid with a developing body having a headset pulling their head down for hours a day with potentially incorrect IPD. This problem needs studied over a longer period. Either way, there is a mountain of reasons a child shouldn't be in VR, and the only opposing arguement is "what if people get angry with us?", and that shouldn't carry any weight.
I would go into a game and find a child like was around the age of 6-4 i am glad they are enforcing this policy
Great points! Also the fact VR affects children differently than adults: th-cam.com/video/z6pu6SIW7rg/w-d-xo.html
Quest 2 is a VR headset with games shared by the members of an ENTIRE family. Since when did Quest 2 attach any conditions on a Quest 2 device stating that any kid in any family CANNOT use Quest 2? Do you have a brain?
Actually, I remember a study that showed long sessions of VR for 8 year could affect some of their development when it comes to independent movement from the direction of their head. Little spurts every no and then doesn't seem harmful, but kids shouldn't have all access to the internet, let alone a VR social platform, to begin with. That's just parents being irresponsible
@@JimCreates I think you also understand that it was a legal decision. If they didn't do this they could get it trouble for exposing children to cursing and alike.
As being a 12 year old and turning a teen In July I can see why they are going to remove us. I feel bad because I loved talking to people on VR and getting to know different lifestyles. I was so chill and I got to play with my friends too. A lot of my friends are older than me so they won’t be kicked. I also feel bad for the parents that got their kids a headset not too long ago. My favorite game was rec room and gorilla tag. I seriously hate what they are going to do because I was super nice & mature to people on those platforms, I’ve gone through nice and bad people on VR but what I love most is getting on that thing and meeting new people. Guess this is goodbye from the kids community. 👋
But you’ll be 13 before December 14 or was this video made a lil while ago and it meant December 14 2022 I’ll check anyway sorry if you can’t play
Man im becoming 12 in february and i cant think meta just ban junior accounts
Bruh
Im 12 too but I lied and said im like 16 or something
@@Mykaela2010 my goverment pc cant afford rec room but that 2 minutes of gameplays was worth it
@@FleshpoundHunter what?
I feel bad for the kids who were actually chill and mature on the app, which in my experience there are lots of, but its also good that some immature kids are taken off the app. But kids arent dumb aswell and will make a new account which is 18+ anyway.
same
Yeah
I am 15 😅
I am about to be 16 next month
Same I’m pretty young for vr but tons of kids are on the risk of being banned because tons of kids post online sometimes show their user
So I have a question does that mean that if someone in a voice chat game sounds like a kid when they’re using voice chat does that mean that they will get banned?
I felt a sudden silence in most games the past few days. I am just SO glad the toxic mice scatter around. But it's still sad how some kids with vr are actually really chill and kind but are still getting pushed away from their fun even tho those kind of children don't deserve it.
As much as I side with those kids who are chill, I still would rather companies enforce their age regulations until the children are of age to play the games and use VR. personally I'd rather avoid the risk entirely of little shits in games rather than let them run around in VR screaming racial slurs or dropping F bombs in the game bc someone told them something that they didn't like. Plus parents use VR as a baby sitter as well as video games, so this is technically a step in the right direction if you wanna look at it from a more positive retrospective
I’m 12 and sound 14 but I’m very chill I will either not talk or I’ll say GGs but otherwise I feel that people like me should not get banned
Like me I’m good
@@TalonGamingNetwork In my opinion 13 year Olds are the worst an very annoying
@@TalonGamingNetwork people said the same exact thing with consoles.
The problem with kids in VR is not just about their behavior. Even adults can behave worse than children sometimes. The problem is VR could be harmful to their development. Thrillseeker made a great video about it a few years ago that was based on experimental research. I think this is a great move from Meta. Banning kids account doesn't necessarily permanently remove them from VR. However it gives the clear message to parents that this is not a good practice. Allowing junior accounts gives the false impression for parents that if it is allowed it must be safe.
I got called a barrage of slurs on gorilla tag by alot of 7-10 year olds maybe you should understand kids dont have filters
@@Imafurrynowlol wow what is with the confrontational tone lol? Seems to me you are the one with no filter. I never daid kids are not annoying or never behave badly. What I said is that if it was only for bad behavior, a lot of adults would be banned as well. The reason for the ban is also well known and well documented health issues. I really don't understand your comment when I am agreeing with the ban myself 🤔
@@Imafurrynowlol Yea adults always filter their language. Also...if you play a kids game, you're inevitably going to be around kids.
Biggest problem is those annoying sqeaky voices, they should built a voice modulator into the quest 2 XD
@@zwenkwiel816 i’m moderate with squeaky voices
When quest 2 came out I got banned for being to young and was refused unban multiple times even with official documents showing my age, all I will say about my age was that I was over 13 at the time
I say: let the kids be mad. It's sad that some kids who sound young will be banned. It's sad that some kids who have a good foundation and head on their shoulders will also be banned. I've had dialog with some kids who were really cute and innocent on VRChat before, but I almost felt guilty letting them leave my sight (yes, it's that bad.). I'd love a way for kids to get to engage in a civil positive and safe environment and fall in love with VR at the same time, but that's is 100% a pipe dream when it comes to the internet.
Parents ultimately should be responsible for their kids, period. If only that's all that need be said... There are far too many abusive, ignorant, or irresponsible parents to allow the platforms to get a pass on minor moderation. VRChat is evidence of that. As a user with over 1k hours, I can confirm. It's a glorified VR bar riddled with people with mental illness and poor judgement.
Maybe one day there will be an outlet for them, but it's not in the immediate future nor is it current.
I agree with your part about feeling sort of protective over the nice types of kids! There’s been times on VRC where I’ve met some really cute and sweet kids, and I end up feeling kind of responsible for them 😅 but I know that’s not how it should be. I suppose in the first place I shouldn’t even have to be being a babysitter for this stranger’s child, even if I don’t mind doing it 😅
Like you said, parents just need to be more responsible!
I’m gonna make sure to stay muted on like green chat and stuff because people think I’m a kid I don’t wanna be banned😭
Thank you. I'm seeing so many lame responses to this news: "Heh, epic! Awesome!" "Fuck off, squeakers!" and other comments that tell exactly how little they care about the children affected by these decisions, while making me wonder just how much older the people saying these things really are. I sincerely hope they're just teenagers failing to find a way to express the relief that meta didn't make the device strictly 18+.
I'd expect the average teenager of 2022 to evolve past Modern Warfare 2 Xbox LIVE 2007 lobbies, but its remake did just come out, so...
Nice
Main reason why kids shouldn’t be on oculus; Internet safety. With that your child could talk to anyone. I wouldn’t want my 4 year olddaughter talking to a 19-20 year old.
I hope Meta/Facebook has a notice system in place for accounts that are at risk of being banned from Quest platforms. I have my doubts that parents buy VR headsets for their young children. I see it as the parents buying the headsets for themselves, and when they're done with it for the time being, the children use end up using it. And I'm sure they're also using their parent's account.
Absolutely the parents should be involved enough to recognize that their children are socializing in VR, but an email notification before the account gets a ban, and a way to offer valid form of ID and age verification to stop a ban of your account should be offered.
I'm sorry. My parent has bought an Oculus specifically for us. You saw it a different way, yes, I see. My parent has never used the headset, except for when we first got it and they had allowed us to use it. Yes, we are using their account.
Yes, absolutely they are involved enough. I have told them lots of stories. And.. yes.. 50/50 chance that my parent would send them an ID of some sort and do age verification.
Tragic, isn't it? Once again, sorry for your loss.
i wonder if you cant play any games but can u still link your quest to the PC then play rec room through PC
the 13 age limit actually was enforced, dont forget facebook was previoulsy required when Quest 2 launched and that required an account no younger than 13 years of age, thats where the age limit came from. now that facebook isnt required they most likely wanted to bump it up which I personally agree with tbh. VR isnt healthly for kids, in both a social aspect but also a medical aspect, under developing kids and kids growing up, eye sight can be an issue when they are older due to the eyes constantly trying to adapt to VRs 1.4m distance and having incorrect IPD settings can also lead to issues.
haha it still affects the older minors because they are also still developing..
Because telling kids they can't do something always works and they are way to pea brained to cirumvent the high security screening. This move will help legally I bet and that is likely all they actually care about.
I think it's more likely because kids can do not just see some pretty messed up stuff in VR
@@Ratboycure While I agree that they will do those things they're not supposed to do, that doesn't mean people should just give up and contribute to it.
Still saw 5 year olds playing
I'm 26 and I LOVE VR. Most of my experiences are nearly ruined because I'm surrounded by literal toddlers. Hopefully this will at least make a *temporary* dent in the squeaker population.
Thank god someone actually agrees with me, if I comment the same thing I’ll get purged 💀
@@ChatterGaming same lol
Definitely
agreed entirely
agreeeeeeee
The thing that concerns me is that I'm the appropriate age to be on Rec room or other VR games, but I sound younger then what I am. So people might falsely report a person that has the curse of sounding younger.
Yeah my thoughts too, people are just gonna start reporting 13-18 year olds because they have younger sounding voices.
Same here. I’m 13, but I sound like I’m an 8 year old, which really sucks because people might just assume I’m a little kid
:/
I love this new meta change as there will be less little kids plaguing the games.
It will make no differance as kids already just use adult accounts. It is more a political thing than an actual thing. Just like age veriication on websites.
@@MetaverseAdventures well using an adult account on a game is different then one on an actual Meta account.
Fr I'm tired of seeing good games get ruined by screaming kids smh
@@Rykst3r ikr onward here i come
@@Rykst3r there’s gonna be more now, juniour mode made them not be able to talk
the main problem that I see with Meta doing this, is that the junior accounts didn't allow to speak with others so I think that the amount of children talking into the mics will rise eventually
Is sort of trying to fix a problem creating another worse
And though who will get false reported just for having a high voice will be a even bigger problem
In other words, they simply made the problem way worse than it should be and they should consider getting rid of what's causing the problem instead of the problem itself.
@@happypercussionist1 exactly
@@hombredelegoreal5197 It's also a common and real problem with lots of different things too, off topic kind of.
It is a safety thing. It was proven that, since kids are developing, VR messes with their eyesight and motor skills.
this is honestly the best news ive heard in a while, I've been cursed out and called a special slur so many times by kids sounding nearly 9 or younger, so this is honestly a calling to me to even get back into playing vr.
( I quit vr because of all the kids)
I feel you…
If a child is being annoying just tell and explain to them how. That is how maturity develops. Maturity has nothing to do with age, it is more or less having a general respect for things around you and realizing that 18+ stuff is not necessary to have a good time. If the child still doesn't stop however, than you can either mute or report them.
They need to do this to VR chat too, kids shouldn't be allowed in public social rooms without supervision. Heck feel like you should have locks on your account till you are not underage with how much adult stuff actually does go on even in public worlds sometimes to limit what worlds you can go to and who can interact with you, or something like "minior only" worlds for just them.
Also youtubers really need to stop targeting children and trying to pull them into these places and pretending it's not fair and all this other crap, because kids tend to listen to people they like so if they are watching you and you are acting like a baby, they are going to act like babies too.
Agreed. Those places are FULL OF FUCKING PEDOPHILES
W comment
The unfortunate side of "Kids only" servers/rooms/envirements is that dangerous adults could create jr accounts in order to be placed with these children, possibly pretending to be someone's parent to avoid suspicion.
Instead of Meta placing the man-power to ensure these areas are safe for children it's cleaner for them to "ban" children and place responsiblity on the parents if they sneak in.
kinda like recroom's junior account system?
One of my friend's coworkers ran around VR chat yelling out racial slurs and violent death threats for "teh lulz0rs" so I don't doubt that kids are being bombarded with negativity.
I think this was definitely a good move for Meta but at the same time it has its consequences
But from my side of the story, I'm kind of glad because I am always constantly running into screaming kids in multiplayer games
But here's the thing, it's not going to be thousands, it will be millions. Quest 2 sold 14.8 million units and studies suggest roughly 4 million are in the hands of children above 5 years old and below 14 years, mostly as a "childcare tool", making the child the world's problem. Guarantee a few class actions will be heading to Meta and Rec Room, Karens flaunting their hairstyles and anger ablaze because how dare we (insert problem here)
Here comes the storm. The tidal wave of children will be back.
@@ingressman1992 And we'll be here to greet them with guns in hand. We _will_ stem the tide.
Honeslty I kinda agree kids under 13 really shouldn’t be in vr not because I think they just don’t belong but because as he said the stuff they will be exsposed to
I feel that this Junior Account ban won't stop many children, not because they can make alternative accounts or anything of the sort but simply because Rec Room is on a lot of other platforms, including mobile. In most cases, those who have a headset also have a smartphone which is able to run rec room. It certainly eliminates the possibility of using the VR features for the children, but they'll still be there in masses considering some have great value towards their Rec Room accounts.
Thats not the reason. Kids are still developing and vr messes with thier motor skills
Also, mobile recroom simply sucks. They can try but theyll get bored fast when they realise its 10 times harder to aim and play
just make duplicate accounts and use the same email if you’re smart enough to remember it
reck room still Ban. But it’ll be hard because of: duplicate account (OK do I even need to say anything else)
@@AviyaleTales *their
@@AviyaleTalesim 11 years old and i can vault over a small wall quickly.. i dont think thats what you meant
I think they are mainly just covering there butts. Never want a chance for a lawsuit when one of these kids have some kind of possible medical issue.
If that is so, What about the games themselves without VR???? Kids play with all kinds of gadgets, what makes VR any different. Just print out, we are not liable for any injuries or heath issues.
@@dathyr1 other games could be harmful for kids. That is why they have age restrictions up to even 18 yo on Steam. Just like movies, nothing new. However, VR has an additional danger on kids which is physical harm to their development. So both can be bad but VR is worse.
Remember the 1980s fallout over Dungeons and Dragons, and how it was 'responsible' for mental health issues and suicides?
@@aravr_project yeah that was based on nothing but fear mongering. This one is based on real scientific data. You can't just dismiss it just because you like games.
It's about the law relating to data collection. There are very different regulations for people under 13 and over 13. Meta cannot plead ignorance and saying they didn't know children under 13 were on the platform when one of the titles on said platform offers junior accounts.
I think if you just mute your mic in a game you won't get banned if ur a kid
I think removing junior accounts isn’t going to stop kids from doing things they shouldn’t do, but the complete opposite, they are just going to create an average acc and talk to strangers and THEN seeing things they shouldn’t
I agree many other 13+ platforms have the same problem kids think it’s cool wanna do it oh there’s no junior account thing? Make a 13+ account I mean I did that when I was like 10 about 4 years ago saw some stuff I shouldn’t have seen sadly because I was like Oo this is cool lemme make an account
Definitely. They will think along the lines of: well I’m already breaking this rule. Time to break more
Finally someone is speaking about this!! I've been saying this everywhere because this, of course, is exactly what they've done. Rec-Room was awesome, it was kinda hard to take in the fact that our parent had bought the Oculus for us, and then thinking that I would have to leave my headset to rot unused for one more year. It's insanity.
@@zozo6961 Same. This happened to me in Discord. Now I don't even wanna use it even when I become the minimum age required to use it.
This is a good thing I say good riddance. Kids were making every social VR application a nightmare and in my opinion holding them back from being what they could be.
i disagree. And FYI, Meta is banning kids entirely from meta platform(not just social vr apps). That is the way i am reading it.
@@manp1039 well most the kids get banned aren’t supposed be on vr anyways so Yeha no shit it’s absolutely fair and justified
This is absolutely unfair why would they ban children if they have done nothing wrong like me bc I’m chill on vr if I get banned I will edit
As a Rec Room content creator (just starting out) I can say this will just make kiddos make fake-age accounts and will be more disruptive as junior accounts couldn't hear or talk to other players. This will only expose kiddos into possible danger.
The restrictions for anyone under 13.
Hm i agree but i also think those will most likely get reported by other users of age.
@@itsjxstmay Yeah, they probably will. But how can you tell apart 12 year olds from 13 year olds? It's a can of worms.
@@ZincLeadAlloy True, we probably won't, but hopefully they won't cause as much trouble as younger kids
@@ZincLeadAlloy Not sure that matters. Kids are kids, 1 to 2 years age discrepancy is worth the inaccuracy and then some. I'd welcome a ban on anyone under the age of 15, if it came to it. 13 is fair because it's targetting prepubescents who can easily be weeded out as soon as they open their mouth.
Meta will still detect the fake age accounts, and they will ban them. It's easier to use a parent's account
Honestly this was a good move. Although VR can be a great tool and fun for games, it should definitely be regulated for impressionable children. Actually made a song about this situation on my channel!
Just saw the song and it’s actually really good. Like damn wasn’t expecting that
that's one way to advertise your channel lol
Their parents paid for a service and now they are denying it base on age, race, or ethnic origin. It is an issue.
I am one of those chill kids who would just maybe join paintball every once in a while and have fun, I have a junior account, you know how I feel.
I'm so HAPPY about this. I stayed away from a lot of Social VR because of the "Squeakers" in VR and their behavior! IT was so bad, and ruined all the experiences.
saaaammeee
It's great news indeed!!
@@TheVRtist not really, some kids who aren’t weird cringe factory’s such as myself just want to have a good time and chill with friends but we can’t because of this dumb update
Bro I'm mutcher then a 13 year old and I'm on mute for people like you
@@cjmodmanboom8518 Go outside and hang with your friends! You've got plenty of time to wreck your brain after... You have all the freedom in the world right now with limited obligations. Plus, when it's your turn to slap on the headsets it'll be a better experience by then. Don't neglect your youth staring at LED lenses.
I don't really get the point of banning junior accounts the point of that was to heavily restrict the content the kids could actually see. However disabling that just means that more kids will use regular accounts and be exposed to even more content.
I know. I've said this on many other comments, but all they did is make the problem worse than it should've been.
I have no idea about this but can you still get banned or get in trouble if you were not on a junior account even if you were 12 or younger before even if you would be older now? Cause if you would, I would be in trouble
In so far as I understand Rec Room and Rec Room Inc are still an indie dev, and one that publishes mini games that may be geared towards a younger audiences. Meta has been doing everything in it's power to protect itself from COPPA and having one of it's more-if-not-most actively used games be a 'children's game' is going to be a hard one to explain in court if that gavel should coming a'swinging at them again. Instead of just snipping the cable between Rec Room's Oculus-specific revenue and itself Meta is giving them a chance to make themselves more 'Meta appropriate', and it's in the hands of Rec Room Inc as to what they decide to do now. Of course Meta could just STOP collecting data on their user base and they'd be all set, but that'll be the day.
I don't know why Meta didn't just buy Rec Room and repurpose that to integrate with their vision instead of spending billions to develop an inferior product lol. Would have cost less to buy Rec Room AND VRchat, and take all the good ideas from both.
There is even a set of regulations for 7 and up which is what Nintendo uses. Would allow for some data collection, the data just wouldn't be as valuable, so you can bet how quickly the company with the falling stock price will adopt something less profitable lol.
I have a feeling the kid ban on vr is happening because of how many kids broke the controllers or inquired themselves in vr
no it isnt
its because it can affect their development and they are pricks
Breaking the controllers has literally nothing to do with this. Although I am not one of the kids who has never done such a thing with those neat controllers sitting on the desk, that's kind of a mild thing. It's just technology. But the real problem is that kids just tend to be annoying, and simply Oculus has just made it worse. It's self-explanatory.
We need a follow up video if there are less kids in VR 6 months later. Did it work?
Good thing overall. There are simply things kids shouldn't be seeing/hearing in a lot of these social platforms in VR.
wait i am 13 i sound like i am 9 tho will i get ban
especially in vrchat and rec room. Its shocking how adults there show and tell kids so much content that they shouldnt see
@@Mugzeee We can only hope!
@@slamsgt6642 it's bad enough that there are several news articles referring to them as grooming platforms
@@HeckinDoga yeah i have seen that happen. its sad.
if the kids parents are allowing them in a VR chatroom unsupervised then they've already seen everything the internet could possibly desensitize them with
@random yt gamer finally parents that don't underestimate their kids and don't treat them like sh5t!
@random yt gamer children are smarter then adults at this point. Because adults always think they have more power and limit what children can do and see and use. Every time there is damn kids vs adults challenge people stupidly say adults win instantly. Kids probably know this thereselfs which is why they are smarter. I will teach my kid about p●rn and s×x
@random yt gamer 🤡
how much is a VR pls tell me
so i can buy one
I am incredibly happy about this!! As someone who mainly plays echo vr, it gets really annoying when you have little kids and teens screaming swears, explicit language, ect.
holy fuck yes
yes i agree but i dotn wanan get banned because i have kind of a high voice
Amen to this.
Being a child and playing VR can literally cause brain development problems thank god they took them out
Yup. VR and kids could well become illegal and seen as abuse.
Citation needed
Idk i have played vr since i was like 8, and i am fine so far. Also there is no difference between the mind of a 12 and a 13 year old
@@sebbastiann I doubt you are fine lmfao probably no friends or social life outside of VR and very socially stunted and it’s not like you can notice your own brain being stunted in development lmfao it’s a literal study that showed this.
@@eloise4344 Bro what 💀
If a kid that was 12 got the quest and now they are 13 would they get unbanned? Or is it permanent?
This is progress - rec room could be a great free game if it wasn't plagued by children who aren't actually trying to play anything
If a child is being annoying just tell and explain to them how. That is how maturity develops. Maturity has nothing to do with age, it is more or less having a general respect for things around you and realizing that 18+ stuff is not necessary to have a good time. If the child still doesn't stop however, than you can either mute or report them.
@@deutschegeschichte4972 it's not that they're being annoying necessarily - the issue is many of them aren't interested in playing the games - it's just a social space for them - to me vr is mainly a gaming device with the occasional entertainment - so to me rec room could be a great GAME as opposed to just some social space - i wish they had rec room, games only edition where you just jump into games
No, before even watching this video, and btw your content is great and all; I wanted to say that kids being exposed to unregulated VR is dangerous especially when there are video games that include rated R content example: Boneworks and it's new modding system gives you access to 18+ content. Or multiple games you can sideload onto your quest that shouldn't be played by kids.
EDIT - you touched on the topic thank you
Let children know what they want
To be fair if its 18 plus it really shouldn't be played by anyone. Including adults. Doing 18+ stuff does not make you mature, maturity is essentially a state in which you have a general respect for people/objects around you.
@@deutschegeschichte4972 not true. If you’re already mature, games like that won’t affect you mentally.
@@TerriazeCAPCUTeditor sounds kinda pedo to me but ok
What's sad is that most of these kids have earned and bought things on that account only to be rejected, they were probably so happy when they got their oculus for their birthday only to lose it all, meta is crap and bought out oculus just to enforce some stupid rules and ruins gameplay, kids are very aware of their influence and role models and are capable of knowing what's going on by standards, they are not just kids.
You obviously haven’t played rec room because 99% of it is screaming little kids
@@evancundiff6038 me as a 9 year old playing rec room: *Calm*
Most kids on games I play have their mic muted. Those that fk around get booted from sessions.
@@puppyjessethelucky me as a 10 year old playing rec room: also calm and is not annoying
alright so i used to play rec room ALOT so i know alot about this. junior accounts could not speak or hear anyone so most of the time you would not notice junior accounts, the annoying kids that people are always complaining about were always faking their age to get onto adult accounts, so not only is this barley doing anything, but its bringing more kids onto adult accounts to annoy people
It's just about Meta covering their butt so they don't get fined. Junior accounts is proof that users under 13 are using the device and the laws about data collection for young children are very strict, and Meta doesn't want to go by those requirements so they just say nobody under 13.
@@Thezuule1 And then there's me who is an idiot, got rid of my old account which was junior, made a new account, but was like "I don't want this VC thing. I don't care what possibilities it opens up." and proceeds to disable it.
I just love how right after that I had walked into a huge group of kids.
Like you mentioned in the video how kids will just make other accounts and create a fake date of birth concerns me. While I don't really care about children getting banned, I do care about Meta's way of enforcing things. I wonder if eventually they will require ID verification in order to own an account. This could be a big burden for many because we simply do NOT want to trust Zuckerberg with our personal information (we all know why). This could end up killing the quest 2/quest pro in the end.
i mean if you already have a fb account, they ask for you ID to verify your identity anyway if you want access to your account. and meta already has all your payment info assuming youre not a pirate. (therefore billing info that shows where you live)... location info... search data, etc. is a piece of plastic with your face on it really that bad? itll deal with the issue much more effectively, and if privacy is your main concern, you really shouldnt have bought into the FB ecosystem.
@@riftsquid7659 they never asked me for an ID
@@crockdog9838 They require an ID to verify its you if you lose your password/2FA key
Like, I play Rec Room alot. It’s gonna be so weird without all the people shouting and screaming at everyone. I, on the other hand, was always chill. Nothing concerned me. I’m kinda shy in real life aswell, so it makes sense . If something is happening , I just walk away and don’t talk. I am muted most of the time, so I don’t really talk to people online, really only my friends and my family and people in my school. No one else
It shattered me when I cant play vrchat anymore because I don’t know how to get my meta account thing to work with my quest so now I can’t see my friends anymore 😢
You don’t really have to worry about this unless your under the age of 12 because by the age of twelve you should be able to pull off a fake 13 yr old. Aslong as you just don’t tell your age. But I do feel bad for the kids that’s are just chilling because if they spent a lot of money on games on their headset that will be permanently deleted and they might never be able to play it again even when they are the correct age.
That's what I'm worried about. I only have like a year left until I'm 13. But like, why would I leave a headset that is fully functioning UNUSED and rotting? No way I'm gonna do that.
im about 12 but i sound like a 5 year old girl so i might get banned, but the only games i really use voice chat or have voice chat is gun raiders, among us vr, rec room (i rarely play that game i only play it with my friends) and gorilla tag, but the only ones i actually play out of those is among us vr and gun raiders
@@happypercussionist1 well too bad cry more
There are one or two things to say:
1: Its a bit harsh and a perfect "Flattening a moskito with an RPG" move by meta.
2: This is still the right decision by meta, as those minors are a pain in most games with VR games being expotentially worse (because of stuff like you not being able to just turn the sound down fast on most vr headsets). By far its not all of them, but if you only had a screaming 12 year old in your lobby, youll exacly know what i mean. The problem: As often said, the kids, arent dumb, and most of them will just make an account with a fake age. Who wouldnt? I did this for like 5-10 years until i was 18. How often do you think i was cought with my 2 dozen accounts in different things? ONCE (by youtube). And that wasnt even stopping me from making another working account.
Its not about playing videogames with kids. Most of the time its pretty fun if you (a random guy), have the chance to teach some young person about your hobby just like someone did for you just some years before. I had several of this experiences. Some even became some kind of friendships and regular Minecraft gaming sessions with someone who just is half my age (no, not the weird kind of this) and i teached him how to play Minecraft (and he learned faster and is as good as me now).
But VR is a different thing. Its like you are there, and with the right equipment its the perfect imersion. I own a Valve Index and im still amazed how real some games can feel using it.
This can be dangerous to young kids that cant really tell whats real. Even i had some nightmares about being eaten alive by Headcrabs after playing Half life Alyx (possibly a bad example, but you should get my thinking). And i cant really imagine how dangerous this could be to the mind of someone a lot younger. I had some fears about some things that were generated by me watching stuff in TV that i shouldnt have. And I think having this in VR (often feeling just like reality) could be expotentially worse.
i am planning to own a quest 2 and sound like im 12 but am over 13 am i gunna get falsely reported if i play online??
i'm both happy and scared about meta enforcing the age limit because i will both no longer see kids in servers but also i sound like a squeaker myself so i'm scared that i will get falsebanned for being under 13
Actually, sorry, but they made the problem worse. Now more kids are coming on with 13+ and 18+ accounts.
@@happypercussionist1 so?
BEST NEWS EVER! What could be worst than hearing kids yelling, moaning and messing around, specially in games are not made for kids, im talking about contractors, and other shooters that simply work as stress release for adults and suddendy stuck with toddlers, good news and good work meta a long time request finally heared
I'm short :/ I can't get shot easily but I don't really care about the ban
are you dumb ? they banned junior accounts, the accounts who couldn't speak or hear anything, which means kids will create adults account and now thewy will be even more kisd in games.
@@beanz0102 Oh. Try messing with the guardian floor level settings. Sometimes it makes you taller when adjusting it while doing some sort of pose. I forgot how, but once I did manage to accidently make myself super tall.
@@happypercussionist1 thank you it worked now my guardian teleported into the underworld actually nevermind so I got a little bit taller so now I can reach stuff
@@beanz0102 Your welcome. Also, I want your opinion. Am I stupid for being
whats that game where soemeone was rowing a boat
I wish we had a choice to play along with our own age group. Teenagers and 20 year olds can be pretty annoying for my age.
Hey, as a 16 year old, I totally agree. I want to be able to play with more people close to my age, and not annoy others. That's the main reason I don't play much of VR multiplayer, I can't find people I can relate to and I worry I will annoy others.
@@DiamondDepthYT Exactly, I grew up playing my 1st person shooter was wolfenstein 3-D, And later on a dial up modem Doom 2. I don't hate the younger generations it's just not the same wavelength from my experiences.
YES!
Dreams of being a child in recroom has been crumbled to pieces.
in among us vr I saw like allot of 3 year olds/Ipad babies
I find the 'meta banning kids from vr' pretty strict. Especially to the children who chill and are just trying to have fun. Hopefully everything goes well.
it will not. I am chill and peaceful. but I will be band because I am under 13😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@TatianaVBlum what is band I know u were using the microphone can't you spell ban bruh
I’m a chill child I don’t even talk 😂
It's not about the kids, it's proven that children under 13 haven't developed their eyes well enough yet to handle the strong rays emitted from the VR headset. It's a safety thing.
My parents wouldn't even allow me to talk tbh they won't even let me have roblox voice chat.
VR being even more immersive socially than regular video games, I always found it weird to be surrounded by kids on a game (gorilla tag, rec room) when I'm 24. I don't even like hanging around teenagers (they can be even worse). It ruins the potentially social aspect of a lot of games for me. I hope once VR becomes more popular it will be more common to be around people your age.
But maybe in the future VR can implement something similar to TH-cam kids. And have safe moderated content appropriate for different age ranges.
As a 16 year old I totally agree. I struggle to find people my age in VR, mostly because people are either way too young and annoying or just older than me. I would really appreciate having the option to easily find and play with people my age; though I will say, that type of thing would be very hard to enforce and keep moderated.
If they could have vr just recognize a young kids face vs a older face, that would work, but not facial recognition, just something to tell if someone is younger then they should be in a game that would lock them out completely.
Same. Even if I'm restricted to a few fun games (not saying that there would be very little) , I'm not giving that chance up. We definitely need more opportunities for younger people like me.
millions of kids i'm crying right now i wanted a an oculus 2 for so long
:(
Man I love this channel so much! When it comes to news, it's so easy to understand what he's saying and practical!
"meta ruined vr for kids" thank god no more squeakers
Ikr
oh hey nate i didnt expect to see you here
@@wolfsyncc oh shit hello
now im scared to play vr cause im 13 but what if some bully lies and reports me saying im not 13 and i get banned for no reason
this quest update will not stop the children but it will stop the lawsuits
Yeah. Despite making the amount of children worse, it will probably do that as well.
I personally think it should stay a recommendation until it becomes an ACTUAL law, fair enough that they will see thing there not meant to see and act ways they arent supposed to
but to be fair that's just the way the world works, I am 13 years old I am fully allowed to use my meta quest 2, I just feel that it's unfair that children are unable to use these amazing devices.
I see what your saying as if I were a kid I’d be upset too. However just because it is unfair doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen. Vr is a detriment on kids development and what they see in vr can influence kids in a bad way mentally and physically. They lack the faculties needed to be aloud to make a decision that could effect them for the rest of their lives. Kids aren’t aloud to drive. Is that unfair? Yes you could say it is but that doesn’t mean we should let kids drive. If they were to get in a accident it could kill them or leave them with lifelong injuries. They just don’t have enough life experience to be trusted to mske the right choices. Yes it’s an amazing device but like a car can be very harmful if used irresponsibly
@@HUEMOB Good point
I learned to drive at 12yo - off-road-- but I wouldn’t have wanted to see the lawsuit if someone were hurt in a roadway wreck.
At 70, I’d still be paying it off.
@@cluek9780 well so did I but most people don’t start leaning still their older. Just because you did something doesn’t mean others your age can too. The average 12 year old or under kid would not be responsible enough to be given a drivers license. And that’s just the skill aspect. A vr headset being used everyday by a child could affect their development in some way as some others said the weight on your neck, the lenses are so close to your eyes it could permanently impact your vision. It’s the same with driving alcohol cigarettes. Kids will always do them no matter what they are told. So we can’t Expect them to make the right choices
until i realised that you can still have rec room on steam vr i didnt want to save for vr headset anymore
Personally I don't think kids should be in VR anyways. A lot of them are already detached from reality as it is.
Makes me so happy to hear slightly less screeching till they figure out how to just take their age
makes me sad cause all i wanted to do was play paintball but now im banned i didnt do anything wrong
I mean some kids are just chilling multiple ive seen are having a good time and people just Hate them for no reason plus scaring the annoying ones in vr chat
Slightly less? Yeah right. They haven't learned anything in this stupid society. Because now, I'm seeing way more kids than before with 13+ and 18+ accounts. It's not even a good thing anymore that they removed junior accounts.
then what if a kid age 9 he was tall like a teenager and know the basics does that
allowed?
Children getting banned was a much happier bit of news then the PSVR2 😅
How does this effect lebrons legacy
My friend wanted to play red room with me but he had a outdated junior account in rec room and he got banned 😢
I feel bad for the kids under 13. Rec room and vr chat are my favorite and it’s a nice experience for them.
Vr chat really has to go
I agree with rec room blocking kids from using vr, having a screen that close to your eyes at a young age would certainly not be good for your depth perception and all that when you're growing up
Meta forced them to rec room kinda had to
im pretty sure vr headsets have lenses to protect your eyes but i may be wrong
So when i started playing rec room, i thought that higher voice mean that it sounded higher and i never knew it was a voces changer, i got a lot of reports till they banned my account :( i was level 38 with 4k tokens
Honestly they were being exposed to things they really shouldn't have, so this is the first Meta W I've seen
finally, i can play Oculus games without hearing "sussy among sus" "when the imposter is sus" or just screaming from little kids, finally Meta does something right 🙏
thats a pretty bad thing cuz the specific way it impacts ppl like me cuz i sound like a 10yyr old but im 15yrs old so if i get reported i get banned great news
Rec Room [Invention/Room] Builder here: I feel good/worried about this situation at best because not only is nice not having to hear squeakers or kids learning how to say bad words or trying to be funny. but also the other thing that I'm worried about is that most of the player base for rec room will be gone and their wont be as much players in the game for example rec centers and such but these are personally my thoughts.
[Edit] By creator I mean: I am a room/invention builder on rec room not the creator of rec room.
[You do not have to look at my stuff it's your choice if you wanna see]
@@Beanman87 He didn't say he was the creator, he said that he created a game in rec room. You're so idiotic 💀💀💀
@@Beanman87 dummy alert
@@Beanman87 bruh
@@Beanman87 he worded it weird, he is saying that he’s the creator of a game
@@Beanman87 clown alert
I’m mixed, sure the safety of the children and their purity is very important but I think people will get banned for sounding young when they’re 13+, but I feel like there should be a option for children to play without people of a older age (13+) like separated lobby’s. but I think this would go especially well with gorilla tag, although fun, it can really get rid of your purity fast.
Would place too much responsibility on Meta to ensure these are safe areas for kids if implemented. Otherwise malicious adults could create jr accounts and/or pretend to be someone's parent to sneak into these (possibly unsupervised) lobbies.
Except kids will disobey just to play with the older kids/adults
@@mica4977 thats a very good point but i feel like it should be monitored 24 7 by real people
@@Ragingknight12 this will happen with everything
@@sheerheadache I don't see how this would allow VR to grow, though. Even real people are reckless, as well as teens and adults, not just kids. There's not possibly anyone who is trustworthy of monitoring 24/7 and not slowly losing their mind. It's not a job. We can't put people at work for such a large community.
Finally meta w
is the oculus quest 2 also gonna do this cuz im getting one for christmas
Perfect, wonderful, magnificent, awesome, words can not describe how happy I am that finally older people can enjoy our games in peace and prosperity.
I have 2 children under 13 and play rec room in VR >:)
@@sarahsaleptdpt6879 Oh.. that's nice. Lol, I recommend just doing the motherly/fatherly job of not letting them become idiots though. Hopefully they will have great lives.
I actually love the idea of kids being banned from rec-room because then there wouldn't really be any apps for them to play, and (possibly) with verbal identification, stop kids from playing on vr on the quest 2 all together, so NO MORE SCREAMING KIDS IN PAVLOV
So basically if your young and your adults pay for the headset and kids can’t use it then people just wasted 500-400 dollars bruh they could of us it for anything else I think that they just want to scam people
I’m only twelve and I’ve seen all the horrific stuff before. VR chat has prepared me well for toxic communities.
Yes. Very relatable. It's good that people are trying to help kids stay safe, but if they don't know any dangers or potential hazards, then what uses are their brain for in their lives?
The worst part of VR are kids, I LOVED THIS NEW new requirement ❤️
Imagine buying a $400 console for it to be useless like that’s unfair
@@maxabrams8134 why buy a 400$ headset for a minor in the first place hmm?
they already had games on it
And the parents probably got it for them
@@maxabrams8134 then its the parents fault :v
I’m under 13 I got my oculus for my birthday if I get banned then what is the point
I think the reason onto why Rec Room is because you can only speak to people in vr and not on any other platforms which is why they might of done that
I was in the middle of 3d sharades then it happend...every one went silent I was wondering what happend so I went to my watch then I noticed 2 buttons in my watch dissappeard then I noticed my pfp was gone and so far I've been playing vr FOR 2 YEARS and I've not seen 1 thing bad and I'm really upset because I had so many items and lvl 50 AND RR+ SO AND AROUND 100K REC COINS ALTOGETHER WND ITS ALL GONE AND I THINK META HAS GONA TO FAR WAY TO FAR JUST MALE A SYSTEM WHERE YOU NEED TO PUT IN A THUNG WHERE FOR SOME GAMES YOU PUT IN YOU EMAIL TO PLAY IT
cant you set acount up yourself like if you wher ten you put for yours back or more on your birthday
what about the money people spent on meta and for buying the meta quest should we get a refund if we did get banned?
I'm sorry but it's very funny to see level one squeakers running around screaming about their old accounts
but if a kid uses pcvr it's still safe from ban?
i feel like kids shouldnt be on vr chat but thats it. (Or other kinda weird social apps) Rec room is kinda made for kids, well not made but the main audience of that game is kids.
Gtag is avalible steamVr so that' s fine right? My lil bro (11) wan'ts to play gtag and I don't want his Oculus to get bricked.
so im 14 and my voice is very squeaky, so if i join a vrchat lobby and i sound like a kid.. im banned?
will my dads account get banned if he lets me use it cuz I'm under 13 I'm kinda scared