i would like to personaly say that mr schakel is a very awesome guy. the way he responds to so many youtube comments is amazing. its not common that the uploader answers so many questions. but its something that should happen more. thank you coach
Doug Schakel thanks for that coach. im a young 21 year old who's goal it is to coach. i love watching and studying film. i play pretty decent too. thanks for giving kids like me a resource to learn from.
Max- You are off to a good start if you want to be a coach. At age 21, I also wanted to be a coach. So, like you, I studied the game any chance I got to improve my knowledge of the game. My personal goal throughout my coaching career was to study at least one thing about basketball (often times more; especially in the off-season) per day. Even today, at age 74, I study the game. Sometimes I learn things that I want to use for my team. Sometimes I learn things that I don't use BUT my opponents do. I encourage you to be a "lifelong learner." Best of luck in your future. Contact me at dougschakel@aol.com and give me updates from time to time. --Coach Schakel
This is good stuff. The Line of Deployment isn't taught enough, glad to see it here. I do think using the Pinch Post option is devastating to a zone, and I hope to see you demonstrate that in the future.
Coach, I've watched your Triangle videos dozens of times (Thanks BTW), and how would you determine to use a pinch post or the cutter? Would you use the cutter first to change sides of the floor, then pinch post after the first or second ball reversal? Pretend we are teaching football players, is there a way to make it simple, such as using some sort of signal to use a pinch post vs. runner? Thanks.
Coach,if i start with a drible to the side, 2or3 , go down, and i have a quick shoot and a quick divison and after the pass 1 cut and i play inside game faster, the inside player come out for a block and i play inside or to the hight post
Coach Doug I was a HS and youth coach and now AAU coach and I have seen numerous videos from so called expert trainers and this is only my 2nd day watching your videos and Im blown away Sir. Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos. You do a great job showing us the movements of the Triangle. is this how you actually teach it to a group of players who never seen it before.
I’m a youth coach and i’ve watched hundreds of youtube videos. I will say this channel and Coach Schakel are the best i’ve watch and i just stumbled upon this channel yesterday. If you ever in the south like Alabama lol please let me know.
ICON1of1- I'm glad you are finding our videos helpful. Don't hesitate to contact me (dougschakel@aol.com) if you have any questions about any of them. Best- Doug Schakel
We will show the Pinch Post option in a future video that will include several more options and talk about execution points to make the offense run with peak efficiency.
You are right..Tex Winter was the architect of the offense and an important assistant coach to Phil Jackson. The offense depicted in our videos is actually a blend of the Triangle Offense (1950s origin) and the Shuffle Offense. The Shuffle Offense, by Joel Eaves of Auburn, also had its origin in the 1950s. As I mentioned in an earlier post, Walt Shublom once said, "Be slow to discard that which has stood the test of time."
Joao- You are right, passing the ball to the corner guard and then to the low post is a good method for passing to the post. Tell your players to always pass to the hand away from the defender.
Bill- We call out "2 Up" or "3 Up" when we want to run the pinch post action. If we call out "2 Up", we want the 1 to pass to the 3 and 1 runs to the ball side corner, establishing the triangle. Now 2 comes from the opposite wing "Up" to the top of the circle; instead of the opposite post. 3 hits 2 and 2 runs the pinch action with the post (who comes up just above the FT line and inside the FT circle. If we call out "3 Up", we would enter to 2 and 3 would come "Up" to the top of the circle.
And, it is worth noting that Bob Spear of the Air Force Academy used the Shuffle Offense from approximately 1956 to 1971. Spear's young assistant coach, future Hall of Fame coach Dean Smith, used the Shuffle in his early years at North Carolina.
Tristan- We do run it pretty much the same against man to man defense but there are some variations or options. Those variations/options can be seen in our other video, "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense."
I loved these videos and tips but I was unable to get my 7-8 grade Boys to execute any of this during games in our Rec league. I'm sure these would have a tremendous effect on kids who are dedicated and love the game. I'll keep trying.
Coach- For some 7th and 8th graders, this version of the Triangle Offense is a little too sophisticated to run. Take a look at our 5 part series on the "Modified Triangle Offense for Youth Basketball." I think you will find it a more effective method for your players.
I love continuity plays, especially for young teams, but the biggest question that comes up (it's what fast break is to offensive rebounding), is what do you teach when the play inevitably falls apart? The moment a decision is made and committed to, the continuity ends, and a bit of a messy battle with the defense begins that tends to bring "unorganized motion" back into play.
The basic continuity of the triangle is just to teach your team simple movement within this masterpiece. It's the options and counters that require thorough understanding and tutelage, and that's what a coach should be patient with and teach. Any good hooper recognizes the beauty in this, especially to score.
Breniya- Thanks for your kind words. If you Google "Doug Schakel Basketball - You Tube" you will see our 28 basketball videos including 9 videos on shooting the basketball. Maybe you will find some more videos that will be helpful to you. Best- Doug Schakel
This offense is a combination of the Triangle Offense, made famous by Bulls and Lakers consultant Tex Winter, and the Shuffle Offense, originally devised by Bruce Drake of Oklahoma State, and both were birthed in the 1950s! I remember hearing a highly successful high school coach, Walt Shublom of Wyandotte, Kansas, say "Be slow to discard that which has stood the test of time." So why not combine two really good offenses?!
Hi Coach Schakel Thanks for sharing your expertise. The TH-cam videos are great. What particular practice drills are effective when implementing the Triangle/ Shuffle Offense? Coach Lawson
Here are some email responses to coaches' questions: ********************************************************************************************* Coach Taylor- I don't have videos on triangle drills....yet. The three drills that I use are: (1) "Inside Two on Two" - We have two unguarded wings/passers (could be mgr. and coach) and the two (guarded) post players use the routes that we show in the "Triangle Zone Offense" and "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" videos to free themselves for scoring opportunities. (2) "Perimeter Three on Three" - We have two unguarded post players (could be mgr./asst. coach) and the three (guarded) perimeter players who use the routes and options that apply to them in an attempt to score (including driving to the basket). (3) "5 on 5 Walking" - Here we, literally, perform the offense at walking speed...no faster. If I see something I want to point out to a player or if I want to ask that player, "What options do you have available to you right now," I yell "Stop!" If we were going at "game speed," I would have to back all ten players up 2 or 3 steps to, hopefully, re-create the scenario I wanted to comment on to the team. By doing "5 on 5 Walking," when I yell "Stop!" the players are in the EXACT spots I want them in. Of course, we scrimmage 5 on 5 too. Hope this is helpful. --Doug Schakel ************************************************************************************ Coach- If you will Google "You Tube Press Break" you will find two good press offenses. The first is "Use the 1-4 Press Break To Beat Any Pressure" and the second is "Zone Press Breaker - Unstoppable Play." Hope this is helpful. --Doug Schakel ******************************************************************************** Coach Sheldon- I have some good ideas for you to get the ball to the wing in bold print below. I hope you find one or two that proves helpful. Make sure to watch both the "Triangle Zone Offense" video and the "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" video. Pay special attention where I show how we transition into the offense off the fast break....we don't have to set up, we just flow into the offense....this prevents the defense from "loading up" on you if you walk it up the floor. We run it up the floor on makes too to keep the defense back on their heels. Best wishes with your team. --Doug Schakel *********************************************************************************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Sheldon To: Doug Schakel Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2016 10:01 am Subject: Re: Doug Schakel You Tube Hello Doug! We had our first game yesterday using the TRIANGLE offense. I really love it but the kids have a hard time getting into it. We had the ball stolen many times passing it to the wing. Do you have advice on sets or something to get into the triangle offense? (1) A real good entry to the wing can be seen at th-cam.com/video/HyXR4TAZsA/w-d-xo.html (Belmont Offense - You Tube" by John Leonzo. It puts both posts near the elbows and a wing in between them; that wing standing on FT line. The other wing sets up on one of the boxes along the lane. The "top" wing uses the posts to scrape his man off of and can go to either wing. When the "bottom" wing sees which side of the floor the "top" wing is committing to, he goes to the opposite wing. As the pass is in the air to the wing, the post nearest to the ball dives into the low post and the far post goes above the top of the circle. (2) A second entry, we call "Push", has the point guard dribbling right at the wing and that "pushes" the wing into the corner and the point guard becomes the wing. (3) We have also had the wings just set up at the elbow and leak out to the wing. (4) Also, we try to hit the wing two or three steps early as we are coming down the floor and let him dribble into the wing spot. (5) You can have the high post set a ball screen for the point guard who can drive to the basket or as a wing defender comes off to help on his drive, the PG can now pass to the uncovered wing and the PG continues on to the ballside corner. (6) The PG hits the trailing high post who quickly relays the ball to the wing on the other side of the floor. (7) You could stack a wing behind a post just above the FT line and the other wing can stack behind the low post. This is Varsity girls basketball in OHIO. NOTE: we dont have skilled bball players but we are all soccer players. My point guard is good ball handler but a freshman and very small. I want to use our speed with the triangle but I am having a hard time trying to figure it out. Most teams run flex around here and NOBODY runs the triangle. That is why I think this can work. Thanks Coach! Phil Sheldon Anderson High School
Sir, I am trying to borrow your offense here. I have a JV boys basketball team. What is the regular action on the base offense when the ball is passed to the corners. Is it the drag dribble short corner fill every time? Or does the wing just wait for the return pass And keep the basic motion going? Trying to get the basics correct. I am finding the kids keep wanting to pass onto the corners.
Coach Gomes- Actually, it can be either/or for the corner action. If you want simplicity, have the wing stay (no cut). However, if the wing stays, and the corner guard starts the drag dribble, you could then have the wing clear to the opposite side (taking a much higher route so as not to interfere with the high post's cut to the basket. As the players get more comfortable with the offense, you could give the wing the option of passing to the corner and cutting to the other side or the wing could choose to stay. If the wing stays and the corner guard does NOT drag dribble or pass inside, the wing is available for a return pass from the corner guard. I hope this addresses your question. If not, email me at dougschakel@aol.com. Best- Doug Schakel
we run this but we dive the 5 to the short corner which usually drags the 5 down and opens up a midpost flash from the opposite post before popping to reverse the ball
Doug, every time the wing tries to pass back up to the top, the opposite side top zone defender in the 2-3 is intercepting or denying this pass. I am trying to teach the wing to not make this pass and I want the top guy to back door this defender. Are there other ways to deal with this? Should the top guy jab step and pop back out or just keep coming up higher?
You have three options available to you when they try to stop the reversal pass through the high post: (1) You can use the "Penetrating Dribble Option" shown at the 21:50 mark of the "Triangle Zone Offense" video or at the 33:20 mark in the "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" video. (2) You can use the "Skip Pass Option" found at the 22:50 mark of the "Triangle Zone Offense" video or at the 32:40 mark in the "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" video. (3) Finally, you can run an "I Cut" (capital letter "i") where you call out "I Cut" and the ballside low post comes straight up the lane to receive the pass as the high post cuts backdoor to the far side low post. You hit the new high post and he relays the ball to the other wing. Anytime the opponent begins to extend the defense, we are looking to drive into the gaps. We are always looking for drive opportunities against man or zone defenses. You should find these to be excellent antidotes for overplay at the high post position, whether they are in a zone or man to man defense. Best- Doug Schakel
Doug Schakel thank you so much for a quick response. I was putting in the offense yesterday and had that problem. This will give us more options against that situation! I appreciate it!
I was wondering if you could update this video with a defense at walking through the scoring options? As a new coach I completely understand the continuity of it and different entries but it's hard to explain different offensive attacks from it withouto actually seeing them.
Andrew- You might want to take a look at videos #3 and #4 listed below. These feature live game clips. However, each video shows the offense being run against man to man defense. Nonetheless, I think you will find it helpful. --Doug Schakel
Hi coach, does this offense work against a1-2-2 as well? Is there any way you can show a video of the offense against a defense? Thanks I enjoy your videos
redjay21 We used the offense against all zones, matchups, and man to man defenses....as you will see, some options will be a little more effective than others, depending on the type of zone the opponent plays. This offense is relatively simple but very effective. By using just one offense, we eliminated the "guessing game" that you can get into if your opponent uses a multiple defense approach (changing defenses often; sometimes in mid-possession ,switching from man to zone or vice versa). E-mail me (dougschakel@aol.com) and I will e-mail back a couple of game videos for you to look at.
redjay21 I don't have a video showing how to flow into the Triangle from the press break. However, there is a good press break at "You Tube - Zone Press Breaker - Unstoppable Play for Basketball" that is very compatible with the Triangle Offense. After you watch that video, you will easily understand where I would place our personnel in that press break. The 4 would take the ball out and the 1 is the lone guard nearest the 4. As you look up the floor, the wings (2 and 3) will flank the 5 who is located near midcourt. If you will go to the 10:15 mark in the "Triangle Zone Offense" video, you will see how we run our fast break/secondary break and flow right into the Triangle Offense. Now look at the press break alignment and you will see that our players are perfectly positioned to flow down the court and into the offense....unless, of course, you score easy baskets out of the press break! If you have further questions, e-mail me at dougschakel@aol.com
Mario- As a newcomer to basketball tactics, it is not uncommon to find the team movements confusing, initially. My advice is this: pick an offense that you like and watch it over and over and over until you begin to recognize the movement patterns. As you become more familiar with the player movements, you will begin to gain confidence with the technicalities of the game. It is like learning to play a musical instrument. Nobody is very good at it in the beginning. But with persistent practice, you begin to acquire the skill necessary to play well. Best of luck in this new endeavor. --Coach Doug Schakel
I like this video from doug Schakel, but it can be quite overwelming when your team does not have a basketballstrategy background regarding zonedefense and attacking zonedefense. I am not as smart or experienced as doug schakel basketbalwise, but when you and your team are new to zonedefense and offense your team could maybe be better off starting with teaching 3 simple rules imho and steadily go from there. An example of 3 rules: [1] Some basic low/highpost movementoptions (done explosively) when ball swings from left to the right side or to the top from which the players can choose; [2] Occasionally ballscreen gaurddefender (explosively) when you are highpost; [3] teach ALL players to give & go (explosively). Teamoffense: These 3 rules will automatically result in more motion in your offense and the players will always reach that triangleformation a couple of times per possesion that coach Schakel talked about in this video. It also teaches players to keep track of eachother and move even without having gotton the ball. This so long you teach them that is not a bad thing to end up with 4 players on 1 side, so long everybody tries to be in motion in a logical way. When your teams starts to feel more comfortable with these 3 or other basic rules, you can teach them some movements/plays coach Schakel talked about in this video and go from there and eventually your team will be able to play all of the options shown in this video, just take it slow. It is like feeding a baby 1 small spoon at a time, with patience. Indidivual fundamentals: The same stuff about line of deployment counts with these 3 rules for attacking a zone & you can practise 1v1 low/highpost from triplethreatposition with a Coach Schleb clinic 1hour video from manitoba on youtube. The same 1v1 moves he talks about can be used in the low- & highpost imo. It could be wise to teach sealing the paint more, because players have a tendency to just follow the drawn up on paper movements without actually playing basketball. If low/highposts can seal well, it should result in alot more shots from the paint. You can teach your gaurds and forwards to explosively drive the paint to shoot or pass from inside the paint. These are basic 1v1 fundamentals like jab/shotfakes/ crossoverdribble, dribbling with the left and right hand, layups & floaters, jumpers inside the paint and what not. Teaching a give & go, setting and taking a screen & spacing are fundamentals for teamplay that will always be usefull for all positions/players when attacking a man2man or zonedefense, so it is never a waste of time. I also think that boxing out the enemy is harder when playing zonedefense. So it could be a good idea to watch video's about teaching offensive rebounding (coach Schakel also has some, i still have to watch those). This way you will hopefully get more easy shots, draw fouls, get more blob/slob & three throws. It is hard for young players to score inside the paint against a zone so getting offensive rebounds can lighten the load. Most players do not dive in the paint for an offensive rebound if you do not teach them to. It should become their second nature to always have atleast some players going for the offensive rebound after each shot, teach them to have the same reboundmentality like Dennis Rodman. And last but not least, it is easier to teach zonedefense then to attack a zonedefense is my experience. So maybe teach the basics of zonedefense first, so your team can practise attacking a zone in a more gamelike 5v5 manner.
If one of the four players who go to the offensive boards is the shooter, then he shoots, holds, and observes while the other 3 go to the boards. Our safety or "get back" person does not go to the boards. He goes back and forms the first line of our transition defense.
Brandon- We used this offense against all zones AND man to man defenses. You can go to "Doug Schakel Basketball - TH-cam" and see all four videos of the Triangle Zone Offense as well as 24 other free videos. Best- Doug Schakel
Ron- You bring up a good point. For those teams who lack the qualities of court awareness and passing skills, I recommend our 5 part series on the "Modified Triangle Offense for Youth Basketball" found by Googling "Doug Schakel Basketball You Tube." It is a much simpler version of the Triangle Offense yet very effective. I encourage you to give it a look. Best- Doug Schakel
Bruno- Be sure to watch all four videos on the Triangle Offense (parts 1 through 4). Let me know if you have any questions. It is probably easier to communicate through email.....mine is dougschakel@aol.com Best- Doug Schakel
Here are the links to those videos: 1) "Triangle Zone Offense - Doug Schakel Basketball " th-cam.com/video/EovQpTLK5_k/w-d-xo.html 2) "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense - Doug Schakel Basketball " th-cam.com/video/MvN9tTobilU/w-d-xo.html 3) “Triangle Zone Offense - Live 5 on 5 (women) - part 3 of 4” th-cam.com/video/QpeK82UBMYM/w-d-xo.html 4) “Triangle Zone Offense - More Live 5 on 5 (men) - part 4 of 4” th-cam.com/video/-HXUZu77pjU/w-d-xo.html
The answer to your question is in the second of four Triangle Zone Offense videos: "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense." Also in video #4 (of 4) Triangle videos: "Triangle Zone Offense: More Live 5 on 5."
Dribble Entry to push the wing player to the corner would be my favorite way to begin your offense. 😅😅😅 Trailing BIG at the Top of Key with a BASELINE RUNNER. The ball itself would do the majority of the work.
Can you please provide me your email? I am an ex player and coach in Brussels. I would like to ask about helping or joining my new foundation for ex players.
Coach Schakel, do you sell a PDF or video series for install of this offense and additional options? I am very interested in installing this with my varsity.
Coach Tripp- Send me your email address to dougschakel@aol.com and I will send the materials you are seeking. If you have further questions after getting the materials, call me at 913-938-8130 (H) or 913-850-1013 (C). Our materials are free of charge. Just trying to help coaches, like I was helped by others before me. Best- Doug Schakel
Coach, when the triangle has shifted from one side to the other, is it critical for the weak side guard to always come out of the corner to the wing or are there some different positioning options for that player while keeping a triangle on the strong side?
Jason Kerr Jason- By and large, it is important for the corner guard to fill up into the wing position on the change of sides. It sounds like you are playing with an idea of positioning him differently at times. Tell me what you have in mind and I will give you my opinion.....nothing is ever set in stone.
Doug Schakel Coach, thanks. Firstly, I'm thinking about shorter passes for younger players. Last year I coached 6th and 7th grade girls, and I wanted to build a triangle-based motion offense, but that weak side wing really limits the skip passes at that age. I'm guessing you had similar reasons for building your Modified Triangle with the 5th graders. Now that I'm moving to 14U, I'm hoping it won't be an issue anymore, but I still can't get over all that space on that side. I want to do more with it. What I imagine is the corner coming out to one of three spots: the wing, the low post and the elbow. I want to create more options for the two man game and also see where I can use that player to manipulate the zone defense more. I've got a PDF that shows what I'm talking about a little better, if it helps: drive.google.com/file/d/0B-k9dhzuqwC5YWhXVHQ2MS0yMU0/view?usp=sharing Basically, the guard could leave the corner for any other corner of the box, though after watching your modified version, I like the mid-post, too.
Jason Kerr Jason- This has always been an intriguing aspect of coaching.....taking ideas and expanding on them. I don't know that I am going to be overly helpful to you on your ideas. I agree that there is a lot of space on one side of the floor for that wing. If that wing is a really good player, you certainly want to take advantage of all that operating space. This is where you get to be creative. If you will look at one of my comments to "Bill" above, I talk about how to get into the two-man game from the Triangle Offense using the "1 Up", "2 Up", or "3 Up" options. If you want to further this conversation, why don't you call me (mornings or evenings)...my phone number is displayed near the beginning of the "Triangle Zone Offense" video. Best wishes!
i would like to personaly say that mr schakel is a very awesome guy. the way he responds to so many youtube comments is amazing. its not common that the uploader answers so many questions. but its something that should happen more. thank you coach
You are welcome. I am just trying to do what a lot of coaches did for me along the way. Best- Doug Schakel
Doug Schakel thanks for that coach. im a young 21 year old who's goal it is to coach. i love watching and studying film. i play pretty decent too. thanks for giving kids like me a resource to learn from.
Max- You are off to a good start if you want to be a coach. At age 21, I also wanted to be a coach. So, like you, I studied the game any chance I got to improve my knowledge of the game. My personal goal throughout my coaching career was to study at least one thing about basketball (often times more; especially in the off-season) per day.
Even today, at age 74, I study the game. Sometimes I learn things that I want to use for my team. Sometimes I learn things that I don't use BUT my opponents do. I encourage you to be a "lifelong learner."
Best of luck in your future. Contact me at dougschakel@aol.com and give me updates from time to time.
--Coach Schakel
@@DougSchakel ...thanks coach, I've watched this and other videos of yours. I love how plainly you make instruction appear. Great work.
@@marvinedwards7011 Thanks, Marvin. Google "Doug Schakel Basketball - TH-cam" to see all 28 of our videos.
This is good stuff. The Line of Deployment isn't taught enough, glad to see it here. I do think using the Pinch Post option is devastating to a zone, and I hope to see you demonstrate that in the future.
Coach, I've watched your Triangle videos dozens of times (Thanks BTW), and how would you determine to use a pinch post or the cutter? Would you use the cutter first to change sides of the floor, then pinch post after the first or second ball reversal? Pretend we are teaching football players, is there a way to make it simple, such as using some sort of signal to use a pinch post vs. runner? Thanks.
Coach,if i start with a drible to the side, 2or3 , go down, and i have a quick shoot and a quick divison and after the pass 1 cut and i play inside game faster, the inside player come out for a block and i play inside or to the hight post
@bballbreakdown big fan of yours.
Great stuff
Coach Doug I was a HS and youth coach and now AAU coach and I have seen numerous videos from so called expert trainers and this is only my 2nd day watching your videos and Im blown away Sir. Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos. You do a great job showing us the movements of the Triangle. is this how you actually teach it to a group of players who never seen it before.
I’m a youth coach and i’ve watched hundreds of youtube videos. I will say this channel and Coach Schakel are the best i’ve watch and i just stumbled upon this channel yesterday. If you ever in the south like Alabama lol please let me know.
ICON1of1- I'm glad you are finding our videos helpful. Don't hesitate to contact me (dougschakel@aol.com) if you have any questions about any of them. Best- Doug Schakel
We will show the Pinch Post option in a future video that will include several more options and talk about execution points to make the offense run with peak efficiency.
I've watched this twice already, and there's no way this can't work!!! Think I've found my base offense, Thank you!!!
+Josh Bailey Josh- The good news is that this offense has been run and produced championhiips all the way up to the college level.
I've ran this for 6 years and it works for me.
You are right..Tex Winter was the architect of the offense and an important assistant coach to Phil Jackson. The offense depicted in our videos is actually a blend of the Triangle Offense (1950s origin) and the Shuffle Offense. The Shuffle Offense, by Joel Eaves of Auburn, also had its origin in the 1950s. As I mentioned in an earlier post, Walt Shublom once said, "Be slow to discard that which has stood the test of time."
Great details and movement explanation! Thanks, Coach!
Thank you for the help, it really helped me understand. I’m currently learning these, its confusing. This makes it a lot easier, thank you.
Joao- You are right, passing the ball to the corner guard and then to the low post is a good method for passing to the post. Tell your players to always pass to the hand away from the defender.
Bill- We call out "2 Up" or "3 Up" when we want to run the pinch post action. If we call out "2 Up", we want the 1 to pass to the 3 and 1 runs to the ball side corner, establishing the triangle. Now 2 comes from the opposite wing "Up" to the top of the circle; instead of the opposite post. 3 hits 2 and 2 runs the pinch action with the post (who comes up just above the FT line and inside the FT circle. If we call out "3 Up", we would enter to 2 and 3 would come "Up" to the top of the circle.
Doug Schakel how can I rebound a ball while in the motion of getting off the ground
And, it is worth noting that Bob Spear of the Air Force Academy used the Shuffle Offense from approximately 1956 to 1971. Spear's young assistant coach, future Hall of Fame coach Dean Smith, used the Shuffle in his early years at North Carolina.
Tristan- We do run it pretty much the same against man to man defense but there are some variations or options. Those variations/options can be seen in our other video, "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense."
I loved these videos and tips but I was unable to get my 7-8 grade Boys to execute any of this during games in our Rec league. I'm sure these would have a tremendous effect on kids who are dedicated and love the game. I'll keep trying.
Coach- For some 7th and 8th graders, this version of the Triangle Offense is a little too sophisticated to run. Take a look at our 5 part series on the "Modified Triangle Offense for Youth Basketball." I think you will find it a more effective method for your players.
I love continuity plays, especially for young teams, but the biggest question that comes up (it's what fast break is to offensive rebounding), is what do you teach when the play inevitably falls apart? The moment a decision is made and committed to, the continuity ends, and a bit of a messy battle with the defense begins that tends to bring "unorganized motion" back into play.
The basic continuity of the triangle is just to teach your team simple movement within this masterpiece. It's the options and counters that require thorough understanding and tutelage, and that's what a coach should be patient with and teach. Any good hooper recognizes the beauty in this, especially to score.
Probably should mention that Bruce Drake of Oklahoma University was considered the father of the Shuffle Offense in the 1950s.
I wish our coach would teach us like this.. thanks for this video
Breniya- Thanks for your kind words. If you Google "Doug Schakel Basketball - You Tube" you will see our 28 basketball videos including 9 videos on shooting the basketball. Maybe you will find some more videos that will be helpful to you. Best- Doug Schakel
This offense is a combination of the Triangle Offense, made famous by Bulls and Lakers consultant Tex Winter, and the Shuffle Offense, originally devised by Bruce Drake of Oklahoma State, and both were birthed in the 1950s! I remember hearing a highly successful high school coach, Walt Shublom of Wyandotte, Kansas, say "Be slow to discard that which has stood the test of time." So why not combine two really good offenses?!
Hi Coach Schakel
Thanks for sharing your expertise. The TH-cam videos are great.
What particular practice drills are effective when implementing the Triangle/ Shuffle Offense?
Coach Lawson
Here are some email responses to coaches' questions:
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Coach Taylor- I don't have videos on triangle drills....yet. The three drills that I use are:
(1) "Inside Two on Two" - We have two unguarded wings/passers (could be mgr. and coach) and the two (guarded) post players use the routes that we show in the "Triangle Zone Offense" and "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" videos to free themselves for scoring opportunities.
(2) "Perimeter Three on Three" - We have two unguarded post players (could be mgr./asst. coach) and the three (guarded) perimeter players who use the routes and options that apply to them in an attempt to score (including driving to the basket).
(3) "5 on 5 Walking" - Here we, literally, perform the offense at walking speed...no faster. If I see something I want to point out to a player or if I want to ask that player, "What options do you have available to you right now," I yell "Stop!"
If we were going at "game speed," I would have to back all ten players up 2 or 3 steps to, hopefully, re-create the scenario I wanted to comment on to the team.
By doing "5 on 5 Walking," when I yell "Stop!" the players are in the EXACT spots I want them in.
Of course, we scrimmage 5 on 5 too.
Hope this is helpful. --Doug Schakel
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Coach- If you will Google "You Tube Press Break" you will find two good press offenses. The first is "Use the 1-4 Press Break To Beat Any Pressure" and the second is "Zone Press Breaker - Unstoppable Play." Hope this is helpful. --Doug Schakel
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Coach Sheldon- I have some good ideas for you to get the ball to the wing in bold print below. I hope you find one or two that proves helpful. Make sure to watch both the "Triangle Zone Offense" video and the "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" video. Pay special attention where I show how we transition into the offense off the fast break....we don't have to set up, we just flow into the offense....this prevents the defense from "loading up" on you if you walk it up the floor. We run it up the floor on makes too to keep the defense back on their heels.
Best wishes with your team. --Doug Schakel
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From: Phillip Sheldon
To: Doug Schakel
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2016 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Doug Schakel You Tube
Hello Doug!
We had our first game yesterday using the TRIANGLE offense. I really love it but the kids have a hard time getting into it. We had the ball stolen many times passing it to the wing. Do you have advice on sets or something to get into the triangle offense?
(1) A real good entry to the wing can be seen at th-cam.com/video/HyXR4TAZsA/w-d-xo.html (Belmont Offense - You Tube" by John Leonzo. It puts both posts near the elbows and a wing in between them; that wing standing on FT line. The other wing sets up on one of the boxes along the lane. The "top" wing uses the posts to scrape his man off of and can go to either wing. When the "bottom" wing sees which side of the floor the "top" wing is committing to, he goes to the opposite wing. As the pass is in the air to the wing, the post nearest to the ball dives into the low post and the far post goes above the top of the circle.
(2) A second entry, we call "Push", has the point guard dribbling right at the wing and that "pushes" the wing into the corner and the point guard becomes the wing.
(3) We have also had the wings just set up at the elbow and leak out to the wing.
(4) Also, we try to hit the wing two or three steps early as we are coming down the floor and let him dribble into the wing spot.
(5) You can have the high post set a ball screen for the point guard who can drive to the basket or as a wing defender comes off to help on his drive, the PG can now pass to the uncovered wing and the PG continues on to the ballside corner.
(6) The PG hits the trailing high post who quickly relays the ball to the wing on the other side of the floor.
(7) You could stack a wing behind a post just above the FT line and the other wing can stack behind the low post.
This is Varsity girls basketball in OHIO. NOTE: we dont have skilled bball players but we are all soccer players. My point guard is good ball handler but a freshman and very small. I want to use our speed with the triangle but I am having a hard time trying to figure it out. Most teams run flex around here and NOBODY runs the triangle. That is why I think this can work.
Thanks Coach!
Phil Sheldon
Anderson High School
Great video
Thanks so much for this coach!!! I am a fan for life!
Sir, I am trying to borrow your offense here. I have a JV boys basketball team. What is the regular action on the base offense when the ball is passed to the corners. Is it the drag dribble short corner fill every time? Or does the wing just wait for the return pass And keep the basic motion going? Trying to get the basics correct. I am finding the kids keep wanting to pass onto the corners.
Coach Gomes- Actually, it can be either/or for the corner action. If you want simplicity, have the wing stay (no cut). However, if the wing stays, and the corner guard starts the drag dribble, you could then have the wing clear to the opposite side (taking a much higher route so as not to interfere with the high post's cut to the basket.
As the players get more comfortable with the offense, you could give the wing the option of passing to the corner and cutting to the other side or the wing could choose to stay. If the wing stays and the corner guard does NOT drag dribble or pass inside, the wing is available for a return pass from the corner guard.
I hope this addresses your question. If not, email me at dougschakel@aol.com. Best- Doug Schakel
Thank you for the help
coach i really like this offense. do you run it the same vs man to man defense?
I thought I saw an option where the high guard is screened for a skip pass 3, but I can’t find where I saw it.
Thanks for your video, coach. Are you still offering the 14 page e-book?
we run this but we dive the 5 to the short corner which usually drags the 5 down and opens up a midpost flash from the opposite post before popping to reverse the ball
Doug, every time the wing tries to pass back up to the top, the opposite side top zone defender in the 2-3 is intercepting or denying this pass. I am trying to teach the wing to not make this pass and I want the top guy to back door this defender. Are there other ways to deal with this? Should the top guy jab step and pop back out or just keep coming up higher?
You have three options available to you when they try to stop the reversal pass through the high post:
(1) You can use the "Penetrating Dribble Option" shown at the 21:50 mark of the "Triangle Zone Offense" video or at the 33:20 mark in the "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" video.
(2) You can use the "Skip Pass Option" found at the 22:50 mark of the "Triangle Zone Offense" video or at the 32:40 mark in the "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense" video.
(3) Finally, you can run an "I Cut" (capital letter "i") where you call out "I Cut" and the ballside low post comes straight up the lane to receive the pass as the high post cuts backdoor to the far side low post. You hit the new high post and he relays the ball to the other wing.
Anytime the opponent begins to extend the defense, we are looking to drive into the gaps. We are always looking for drive opportunities against man or zone defenses.
You should find these to be excellent antidotes for overplay at the high post position, whether they are in a zone or man to man defense. Best- Doug Schakel
Doug Schakel thank you so much for a quick response. I was putting in the offense yesterday and had that problem. This will give us more options against that situation! I appreciate it!
I was wondering if you could update this video with a defense at walking through the scoring options? As a new coach I completely understand the continuity of it and different entries but it's hard to explain different offensive attacks from it withouto actually seeing them.
Andrew- You might want to take a look at videos #3 and #4 listed below. These feature live game clips. However, each video shows the offense being run against man to man defense. Nonetheless, I think you will find it helpful. --Doug Schakel
Enjoyed the video. Quick question - do you run this same offense against a 1 - 3 -1?
That’s what I’m trying to figure out
Hi coach, does this offense work against a1-2-2 as well? Is there any way you can show a video of the offense against a defense? Thanks I enjoy your videos
redjay21 We used the offense against all zones, matchups, and man to man defenses....as you will see, some options will be a little more effective than others, depending on the type of zone the opponent plays.
This offense is relatively simple but very effective. By using just one offense, we eliminated the "guessing game" that you can get into if your opponent uses a multiple defense approach (changing defenses often; sometimes in mid-possession ,switching from man to zone or vice versa).
E-mail me (dougschakel@aol.com) and I will e-mail back a couple of game videos for you to look at.
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Hi coach can u share a video on how you break the press and then get into this offense ?
redjay21 I don't have a video showing how to flow into the Triangle from the press break. However, there is a good press break at "You Tube - Zone Press Breaker - Unstoppable Play for Basketball" that is very compatible with the Triangle Offense.
After you watch that video, you will easily understand where I would place our personnel in that press break. The 4 would take the ball out and the 1 is the lone guard nearest the 4. As you look up the floor, the wings (2 and 3) will flank the 5 who is located near midcourt.
If you will go to the 10:15 mark in the "Triangle Zone Offense" video, you will see how we run our fast break/secondary break and flow right into the Triangle Offense.
Now look at the press break alignment and you will see that our players are perfectly positioned to flow down the court and into the offense....unless, of course, you score easy baskets out of the press break!
If you have further questions, e-mail me at dougschakel@aol.com
I want to thank you for sharing your offense. Is this like the Shuffle offense, but for a zone?
I'm new to basketball tactics and I find this plays extremely confusing. Is it normal to have a hard time understanding it in the begining?
Mario- As a newcomer to basketball tactics, it is not uncommon to find the team movements confusing, initially. My advice is this: pick an offense that you like and watch it over and over and over until you begin to recognize the movement patterns. As you become more familiar with the player movements, you will begin to gain confidence with the technicalities of the game.
It is like learning to play a musical instrument. Nobody is very good at it in the beginning. But with persistent practice, you begin to acquire the skill necessary to play well. Best of luck in this new endeavor. --Coach Doug Schakel
I like this video from doug Schakel, but it can be quite overwelming when your team does not have a basketballstrategy background regarding zonedefense and attacking zonedefense. I am not as smart or experienced as doug schakel basketbalwise, but when you and your team are new to zonedefense and offense your team could maybe be better off starting with teaching 3 simple rules imho and steadily go from there. An example of 3 rules:
[1] Some basic low/highpost movementoptions (done explosively) when ball swings from left to the right side or to the top from which the players can choose;
[2] Occasionally ballscreen gaurddefender (explosively) when you are highpost;
[3] teach ALL players to give & go (explosively).
Teamoffense: These 3 rules will automatically result in more motion in your offense and the players will always reach that triangleformation a couple of times per possesion that coach Schakel talked about in this video. It also teaches players to keep track of eachother and move even without having gotton the ball. This so long you teach them that is not a bad thing to end up with 4 players on 1 side, so long everybody tries to be in motion in a logical way. When your teams starts to feel more comfortable with these 3 or other basic rules, you can teach them some movements/plays coach Schakel talked about in this video and go from there and eventually your team will be able to play all of the options shown in this video, just take it slow. It is like feeding a baby 1 small spoon at a time, with patience.
Indidivual fundamentals: The same stuff about line of deployment counts with these 3 rules for attacking a zone & you can practise 1v1 low/highpost from triplethreatposition with a Coach Schleb clinic 1hour video from manitoba on youtube. The same 1v1 moves he talks about can be used in the low- & highpost imo. It could be wise to teach sealing the paint more, because players have a tendency to just follow the drawn up on paper movements without actually playing basketball. If low/highposts can seal well, it should result in alot more shots from the paint. You can teach your gaurds and forwards to explosively drive the paint to shoot or pass from inside the paint. These are basic 1v1 fundamentals like jab/shotfakes/ crossoverdribble, dribbling with the left and right hand, layups & floaters, jumpers inside the paint and what not. Teaching a give & go, setting and taking a screen & spacing are fundamentals for teamplay that will always be usefull for all positions/players when attacking a man2man or zonedefense, so it is never a waste of time.
I also think that boxing out the enemy is harder when playing zonedefense. So it could be a good idea to watch video's about teaching offensive rebounding (coach Schakel also has some, i still have to watch those). This way you will hopefully get more easy shots, draw fouls, get more blob/slob & three throws. It is hard for young players to score inside the paint against a zone so getting offensive rebounds can lighten the load. Most players do not dive in the paint for an offensive rebound if you do not teach them to. It should become their second nature to always have atleast some players going for the offensive rebound after each shot, teach them to have the same reboundmentality like Dennis Rodman. And last but not least, it is easier to teach zonedefense then to attack a zonedefense is my experience. So maybe teach the basics of zonedefense first, so your team can practise attacking a zone in a more gamelike 5v5 manner.
Who will get now the rebound if one of the four will attempt to shoot the ball?
If one of the four players who go to the offensive boards is the shooter, then he shoots, holds, and observes while the other 3 go to the boards. Our safety or "get back" person does not go to the boards. He goes back and forms the first line of our transition defense.
Can you e-mail me this 14 page handout?
This is effective against what type of defense?
Brandon- We used this offense against all zones AND man to man defenses. You can go to "Doug Schakel Basketball - TH-cam" and see all four videos of the Triangle Zone Offense as well as 24 other free videos. Best- Doug Schakel
Please send me the handout as well.
this makes sense, but the players must be able to pass and understand court awareness. Our freshman are trying to run it and cannot.
Ron- You bring up a good point. For those teams who lack the qualities of court awareness and passing skills, I recommend our 5 part series on the "Modified Triangle Offense for Youth Basketball" found by Googling "Doug Schakel Basketball You Tube." It is a much simpler version of the Triangle Offense yet very effective. I encourage you to give it a look. Best- Doug Schakel
I'm a Brazilian, and I have to study about this method atack ...
Bruno- Be sure to watch all four videos on the Triangle Offense (parts 1 through 4). Let me know if you have any questions. It is probably easier to communicate through email.....mine is dougschakel@aol.com Best- Doug Schakel
Here are the links to those videos:
1) "Triangle Zone Offense - Doug Schakel Basketball "
th-cam.com/video/EovQpTLK5_k/w-d-xo.html
2) "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense - Doug Schakel Basketball "
th-cam.com/video/MvN9tTobilU/w-d-xo.html
3) “Triangle Zone Offense - Live 5 on 5 (women) - part 3 of 4”
th-cam.com/video/QpeK82UBMYM/w-d-xo.html
4) “Triangle Zone Offense - More Live 5 on 5 (men) - part 4 of 4”
th-cam.com/video/-HXUZu77pjU/w-d-xo.html
Ok Coach ... Thank's
That is called overload i guess it about 30 years old thing.
Hey we have the same last name
What if they play man 2 man
The answer to your question is in the second of four Triangle Zone Offense videos: "Triangle Zone Offense vs. Man to Man Defense." Also in video #4 (of 4) Triangle videos: "Triangle Zone Offense: More Live 5 on 5."
Dribble Entry to push the wing player to the corner would be my favorite way to begin your offense. 😅😅😅
Trailing BIG at the Top of Key with a BASELINE RUNNER.
The ball itself would do the majority of the work.
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Can you please provide me your email? I am an ex player and coach in Brussels. I would like to ask about helping or joining my new foundation for ex players.
dougschakel@aol.com
Coach Schakel, do you sell a PDF or video series for install of this offense and additional options? I am very interested in installing this with my varsity.
Coach Tripp- Send me your email address to dougschakel@aol.com and I will send the materials you are seeking. If you have further questions after getting the materials, call me at 913-938-8130 (H) or 913-850-1013 (C). Our materials are free of charge. Just trying to help coaches, like I was helped by others before me. Best- Doug Schakel
Coach, THANK YOU!!! You are a TRUE steward of the game
Coach, when the triangle has shifted from one side to the other, is it critical for the weak side guard to always come out of the corner to the wing or are there some different positioning options for that player while keeping a triangle on the strong side?
Jason Kerr Jason- By and large, it is important for the corner guard to fill up into the wing position on the change of sides. It sounds like you are playing with an idea of positioning him differently at times. Tell me what you have in mind and I will give you my opinion.....nothing is ever set in stone.
Doug Schakel Coach, thanks. Firstly, I'm thinking about shorter passes for younger players. Last year I coached 6th and 7th grade girls, and I wanted to build a triangle-based motion offense, but that weak side wing really limits the skip passes at that age. I'm guessing you had similar reasons for building your Modified Triangle with the 5th graders.
Now that I'm moving to 14U, I'm hoping it won't be an issue anymore, but I still can't get over all that space on that side. I want to do more with it.
What I imagine is the corner coming out to one of three spots: the wing, the low post and the elbow. I want to create more options for the two man game and also see where I can use that player to manipulate the zone defense more. I've got a PDF that shows what I'm talking about a little better, if it helps: drive.google.com/file/d/0B-k9dhzuqwC5YWhXVHQ2MS0yMU0/view?usp=sharing
Basically, the guard could leave the corner for any other corner of the box, though after watching your modified version, I like the mid-post, too.
Jason Kerr Jason- This has always been an intriguing aspect of coaching.....taking ideas and expanding on them. I don't know that I am going to be overly helpful to you on your ideas. I agree that there is a lot of space on one side of the floor for that wing. If that wing is a really good player, you certainly want to take advantage of all that operating space. This is where you get to be creative.
If you will look at one of my comments to "Bill" above, I talk about how to get into the two-man game from the Triangle Offense using the "1 Up", "2 Up", or "3 Up" options.
If you want to further this conversation, why don't you call me (mornings or evenings)...my phone number is displayed near the beginning of the "Triangle Zone Offense" video. Best wishes!