Worse the curse followed him. He went to gondolin, and Morgoth found the city He went to brethil and caused a riot there. He went to the petty dwarves, and exterminated them. He went to doriath, and started the chain of events that led to its downfall. And infighting killed his company. Melian's kind words finally break the curse upon h and he casts himself to sea.
Sauron: Ok, now seriously, where are the rings? Celebrimbor: I will never tell you, even if you were to kill me. Sauron: Dont mind if I do. I have special kind of death prepared for you. Celebrimbor: And how is that gonna help you when you will be unable to find the rings? Sauron: Im gonna feel better about it...
It's amazing how Tolkien didn't go into detail about his his character's deaths but it's still enough for us to put it together as well as the parts where he spoon feeds us.
Saw title, thought "Gorlim better be on this list", so well done! For such a minor character his tragic story and the sheer cruelty of his death had a massive impact on young me. And all achieved in just a few paragraphs.
I think about Eärnur who was captured by the Witch-king and likely died after years of torture. The last King of Gondor going from royal splendor to being strapped to a table enduring the slow torment of years, as long and as slow as the Witch-king's arts could contrive.
I think Boromirs death is worth mentioning. In the movie, he only takes three arrows and continues to fight, but in the books, Tolkien says that the orcs fired a rain of arrows at him and when he lay dying, he basically says that his body is covered in arrows... and he still kept fighting too!
Barring a hit to the central nervous system or massive blood loss, a person can continue fighting for a surprising duration. Boromir was a hardened warrior and also fighting for personal redemption. He went down fighting like a force of nature.
The deaths of the twin 6 year-old boys Ellored and Ellorin definitely echo the disappearances of Richard III's nephews which I am sure Tolkien was either alluding to, or inspired by.
I would add Nienor. Realizing that she married her brother, having his child in the womb and then savagely threw herself off the cliff with the baby is also pretty brutal. I agree on Gelmir. I was reading it couple of times and was shocked. Like, damn Tolkien!! Can't even imagine the scene.
Great list, however I believe Fingolfin being crushed by Morgoth was pretty bad, Feanor being whipped to death basically by the Balrog’s whips of flame, Finrod being mutalated where also horrible deaths. Actually Tolkien has a lot of horrific deaths.
There's also High-King Fingon being held in place by a balrog, gets an axe to the head and gets bludgeoned into the ground with maces by Gothmog and his gang. And then they proceed to drench his banner in his blood.
If it was a choice between any of the deaths on this list and getting crushed by an oliphaunt, I think I'd take the latter. At least it's quick; one quick stomp, and it's over.
Guess Fingon's death could be on this list. The mighiest of Noldorin princes killed by treachery and being smashed by Balrogs is pretty brutal. Finrod's death is also a brutal one, in it's particular way.
Saeros had probably the most humiliating death. Not nearly as painful or brutal as some of these, but to be stripped naked and then chased around the woods before falling unceremoniously into a ravine is not a good way to go.
I was just thinking of this the other day . I think the worst death was probably Celebrimbor. There are others though. Fingon was terrible too. You could also argue that Húrin is up there. Wait, Gelmir is definitely the worst.
During suramans rebuking of Gandalf he says the seven crowns but which kingdoms when he says this there are four crowned kings Theodeon, Dain, Thranduill, Brand. Then there are three kingdoms that still exist that once had kings Gondor, Lindon and Lorien. Is he talking about these kingdoms? Or does he also refer to fallen kingdoms as well such as Arnor and Eregion?
I just finished the children of Hurin… depressing but masterfully so. I’d imagine seeing your son deeds all turn to death in one way or another would be horrible… that is not even mentioning what happened to his daughter that led her to killing herself!
I wonder what would have happened if the sons of Faenor had never taken the Oath of Faenor, as some of them can rival Sauron but others seem to be quite noble but still do terrible things because of that oath.
Maehdros and Maglor were noble. Meanwhile Carnathir, Curifin, Amrod, and the other one were terrible and almost killed Beren. Maehdros and Maglor would have done there own thing while the others go off to do there own things (probably still sacking Sirion and Doriath). After the war of Wraith I would expect the 2 brothers (since the others would probably still die in the assaults) to go to Valinor and bring the Silmarils with them
So the first three that came to mind spontaneously are Túrin, Fingon, and Gelmir. Not sure why Fingon but the other two exceedingly stand out. I also think that the Elves perishing under the command of Oropher and Amroth or Maedhros' union being betrayed make for horrific and deeply frustrating mass deaths. Denethor's death is also deeply disturbing, and expanded upon by depressing details revealed in that book chapter.
Fingon has a really bad end, especially given how awesome and heroic he is. Attacked from behind while in a duel and then has his body beaten into a mushy paste. Grim. 😞
And speaking of Celebrimbor as a 'battle standard' when I first saw Mad Max decades ago, those swathed corpses propped up in front of the Humongous' war car made me think of that.
I'd have to suggest Fingolfin's death at the hands of Grond had to be pretty visually brutal, if not all that dark and depressing. But if Grond was leaving smoldering craters in the ground, Fingolfin's body couldn't have looked all that summer ready under his armor by the end of it.
@@randombillyn "But Fingolfin was an Incarnate, and Morgoth was an Ainu. Fingolfin could grow tired, where as Morgoth did not, so at last, his strength failed, and Morgoth struck Fingolfin, smashing him with his great hammer. Morgoth placed his boot onto Fingolfin, intending to crush him to pieces, but with his last stroke, Fingolfin stabbed the foot of Morgoth with Ringil." Fair enough, he didn't die by Grond, but he was struck by it.
@@dtice69 there are several version then I was referring to the one in the Silmarillon: "But at the last the King grew weary, and Morgoth bore down his shield upon him. Thrice he was crushed to his knees, and thrice arose again and bore up his broken shield and stricken helm. But the earth was all... pitted about him, and he stumbled and fell backward before the feet of Morgoth; and Morgoth set his left foot upon his neck.... Yet with his last and desperate stroke Fingolfin hewed the foot with Ringil, and the blood gushed forth black and smoking and filled the pits of Grond."
@@randombillyn Oh mine's from there as well. Must have been an earlier issue since I had bought mine several years before the last edition was released. I suppose therein lies the main issue of JRR unfortunately not finalizing the Silmarillion before he passed lol.
If you're going with most brutal psychological moments and/or deaths, there is always Nienor and Turin. She gets her memories blocked bya dragon's magic, unknowingly marries her own brother and when her memory is unlocked, kills herself while pregnant. Then, Turin kills himself with his own cursed sword that actually wants and enjoys the death of its last wielder
3rd Scenario... Being an expert tracker, Boromir takes off after Frodo and Sam. He encounters Gollum, and kills him , just for being annoying as hell. Sam and Frodo get caught trying to get into Mordor, Sauron gets the Ring, Game Over. Remember, Boromir was going along with this whole Nine Walker business only as long as the Ring was heading in the general direction of Minas Tirith. As soon as that changed, one could depend upon Boromir changing as well. If Boromir had NOT died when and where he did, things could have gotten Ugly in a hurry. Boromir's death, and its location, was a vital and necessary part of the whole story.
I’d also say Fingon has a pretty brutal death. Balrogs ganging up on him.. blindsided by one and having an axe come down without the ability to stop it. That one always got me
Eluréd and Elurín's deaths I found as some of the saddest. This should have been wake up call to the eldest Son of Feanor Maedhros to get his brothers and elves under control and if anything fulfill the Oath through different means but did he do that? No... he just had to allow over hundreds of thousands of innocent children die because of his disinterest in reorganizing the doctrine which lead to such murder of righteous people and innocent bystanders. Thanks too Valar for doing nothing either and letting the Sindar die like that even when they didn't do anything wrong or extremely evil I bet Eru would be so proud of you for that.
Although there's no examples to point to, what about being taken to the Houses of Lamentation to have your flesh devoured and your soul left naked to the Lidless Eye? That must have hurt some before you died. And taken some time.
Love your videos but would it be possible if you increased the volume on your voice a bit? I feel like your videos are 20% quieter than everything else lol
The thing about Finduilas's death is her relation to Gil-Galad, I wonder if we would have gotten another high king to rule to during the 3rd age and disallowed Sauron from even beginning the war of the ring if Finduilas lived and had any offspring. I also feel that her death might be the full display of Hurin's curse playing out, Tuor, a close relative but not a descendent of Hurin managed to stop evil from killing Idril and those two would go on to live fulfilling lives whereas Turin his cousin was a descendant of Hurin and so it was largely his fault that Finduilas was murdered by orcs in the first place. The similarities are evident when you consider that Turin and Tuor were mortals from the same family who both found themselves in some way or another, bonded with elven princesses. Where Tuor succeeded (not a descendent of Hurin), Turin failed miserably. These small things are what make Tolkien's work so profound
Ive heard that immolation or death by fire is the most painful way to die as every nerve in your body is experiencing an overload of pain and (this is just speculation) is why tibetan monks used to do put themselves on fire as a protest to both show the strength of their conviction to the cause and their spiritual attunement to remain calm while ablazed. A way to show their progress on the path to nirvana
Being burned alive is a pretty horrific death as in gilgalad. Also gollums death is pretty heroic level of painful, given that you dont just sink into lava like on the movie. As the body is made mostly of water, it would skip along the surface of the lava, boiling and melting away, cooking inside the skin.
Hurin's daughter Nienor threw herself into a fast following river. More than likely she was battered to bits before she drowned. If that's not brutal I don't know what is.
Gollum dying with the ring in his hand. Thrain tortured to death in Dol Guldur. Earanur killed by the Nazgul as the last king of Gondor. The slow death of Glaurung after being stabbed in the belly.
Sorry but it has to be added: Gorlim fought bravely along side barahir in dagor bragollach and was one of 12 men surviving, they came home to find their home plundered and no survivors. So his wife was missing, surely speculated to be dead but there was a chance right? you know hope which surely most people would have done. Some years later he walks into the trap after the spies learn of the matter and sauron conjures the phantom as you say, then he gets cruely tortured for some time but he refuses to give out any of his brothers in arms, and then as you say he is brought before sauron and because of his pressence and the longing for his wife and the promise to be reunited with his wife he breaks. I know you have to try to make your videoes short but without this added information it seems he breaks at once.. his grief only grew in a war that only grew bleaker in what for a mortal surviving man of dagor braggollach surely seemed like a hopeless cause. But he still wouldnt break after torture from horrible deformed creatures.. only sauron in all his menace and deception and his promises finally sealed the deal. Two very different pictures. But as always a spendid video.. seen them all!
Shadow of Mordor actually develops this a bit. One of the orcish artefacts has a memory of orcs laughing at how they got to see man stupid enough to believe his wife would be freed if he betrays his friends.
You left out Hurin's death. Yeah, Morgoth finally let Hurin go, but through decades of tragic anguish, he had to watch his beloved family self-destruct via Morgoth's Curse, and he was even forced to see his son and daughter conceive a child via an incestuous relationship (albeit, their blood-relation was at first unknown to Turin and his poor sister.) In a cruel act of "liberation", Morgoth finally released him from the iron chair to which he'd been bound, and so Hurin could wander Middle Earth bereft, in hopeless torment and suffering. Hurin wandered in anguish until he found his wife, who described to him her life of pain just prior to her death. At this point Hurin finally (and mercifully) succumbed to death as well. Morgoth made him suffer incessantly for decades and made his family suffer terribly as well - all for standing up to his evil. Morgoth was a complete and utter douche-stick and I'm hopin' Hurin, Turin and the rest of their family get a chance to stomp on his balls during the Dagor Dagoreth, right before Eru tosses him into Uttermost Darkness.
What about the dwarves Smaug roasted to death?? Or the people eaten by the trolls in the Hobbit? Or Earendur??????? Killed by the Witch King or his servants.
I prefer Gil-galad being Fingon's son instead of Orodreth's, don't know what other fans think on this. Does Gorlim remind anyone of Dr. Yueh from Dune? Common in stories I guess. Dior had it coming, sad what happened to his sons though.
I somewhat share your preference. The published Silmarillion works better that way given that Gil-Galad was guarded by Círdan instead of taking refuge in Nargothrond. You would either need an explanation why he did not stay with his kin - remember, until Túrin's arrival Nargothrond was still safe, while Círdan and his people lost their cities to flames - or rewrite it such that he spent less time with Círdan, and I dislike both options. And to be clear to all: Christopher Tolkien called it a mistake to note Gil-Galad as Fingon's son. He did however not suggest to instead designate him as Orodreth's son. He suggested to leave the question unanswered. Ereinion means scion of kings... for me, that resonates more with the heritage of Fingon and Fingolfin than with Orodreth and Finarfin
before I watch this video fully I think Celebrimbor or Gothmog only cause I feel like a being of fire and smoke being drowned would be extra awful. yeah he's a douche but like, still sounds rough. Edit: not to favor the evil beings but like, self-cannibalization sounds pretty fuggin brutal for Ungoliant. so God damn metal
Hurin being made to watch Morgoth's curse play out on his family while paralyzed in that chair is the very worst fate.
Worse the curse followed him.
He went to gondolin, and Morgoth found the city
He went to brethil and caused a riot there.
He went to the petty dwarves, and exterminated them.
He went to doriath, and started the chain of events that led to its downfall. And infighting killed his company.
Melian's kind words finally break the curse upon h and he casts himself to sea.
Sauron: Ok, now seriously, where are the rings?
Celebrimbor: I will never tell you, even if you were to kill me.
Sauron: Dont mind if I do. I have special kind of death prepared for you.
Celebrimbor: And how is that gonna help you when you will be unable to find the rings?
Sauron: Im gonna feel better about it...
It's amazing how Tolkien didn't go into detail about his his character's deaths but it's still enough for us to put it together as well as the parts where he spoon feeds us.
Saw title, thought "Gorlim better be on this list", so well done! For such a minor character his tragic story and the sheer cruelty of his death had a massive impact on young me. And all achieved in just a few paragraphs.
I think about Eärnur who was captured by the Witch-king and likely died after years of torture. The last King of Gondor going from royal splendor to being strapped to a table enduring the slow torment of years, as long and as slow as the Witch-king's arts could contrive.
I think Boromirs death is worth mentioning. In the movie, he only takes three arrows and continues to fight, but in the books, Tolkien says that the orcs fired a rain of arrows at him and when he lay dying, he basically says that his body is covered in arrows... and he still kept fighting too!
Barring a hit to the central nervous system or massive blood loss, a person can continue fighting for a surprising duration. Boromir was a hardened warrior and also fighting for personal redemption. He went down fighting like a force of nature.
The deaths of the twin 6 year-old boys Ellored and Ellorin definitely echo the disappearances of Richard III's nephews which I am sure Tolkien was either alluding to, or inspired by.
I would add Nienor. Realizing that she married her brother, having his child in the womb and then savagely threw herself off the cliff with the baby is also pretty brutal.
I agree on Gelmir. I was reading it couple of times and was shocked. Like, damn Tolkien!! Can't even imagine the scene.
Great list, however I believe Fingolfin being crushed by Morgoth was pretty bad, Feanor being whipped to death basically by the Balrog’s whips of flame, Finrod being mutalated where also horrible deaths. Actually Tolkien has a lot of horrific deaths.
There's also High-King Fingon being held in place by a balrog, gets an axe to the head and gets bludgeoned into the ground with maces by Gothmog and his gang. And then they proceed to drench his banner in his blood.
I think Turin and his pregnant sister wife Nienor/Níniel is the worst, by the sheer the mental anguish of it.
If it was a choice between any of the deaths on this list and getting crushed by an oliphaunt, I think I'd take the latter. At least it's quick; one quick stomp, and it's over.
Guess Fingon's death could be on this list. The mighiest of Noldorin princes killed by treachery and being smashed by Balrogs is pretty brutal. Finrod's death is also a brutal one, in it's particular way.
5:45 The line about reuniting him with his wife (who is already dead) is Baron Harkonnen-level treachery he used on Dr. Yueh.
Saeros had probably the most humiliating death. Not nearly as painful or brutal as some of these, but to be stripped naked and then chased around the woods before falling unceremoniously into a ravine is not a good way to go.
Saeros got to spend a LONG time with Mandos for this treatment of Turin......
I was just thinking of this the other day . I think the worst death was probably Celebrimbor. There are others though. Fingon was terrible too. You could also argue that Húrin is up there. Wait, Gelmir is definitely the worst.
I dunno, being eaten by Shelob or the Spiders of Mirkwood would probably have to be up there. Especially if you woke up during it...
"Grill-Galad" caught me off guard 😂
Thank you for the great video.
I get the impression Sauron was not a nice guy. 😎
Celebrimbor has the most brutal death but Boromirs was most heroic
During suramans rebuking of Gandalf he says the seven crowns but which kingdoms when he says this there are four crowned kings Theodeon, Dain, Thranduill, Brand. Then there are three kingdoms that still exist that once had kings Gondor, Lindon and Lorien. Is he talking about these kingdoms? Or does he also refer to fallen kingdoms as well such as Arnor and Eregion?
Hurin thalion carries my vote...morgoth saw killing him as too merciful.
I just finished the children of Hurin… depressing but masterfully so. I’d imagine seeing your son deeds all turn to death in one way or another would be horrible… that is not even mentioning what happened to his daughter that led her to killing herself!
Morgoth released Hurin because he knew he would wreak havoc and be useful in that regard once let go. Mercy had nothing to do with it.
Well this wasn’t the video I expected to wake up to 😂 but damn definitely a cool start to the morning. Thank you!
I wonder what would have happened if the sons of Faenor had never taken the Oath of Faenor, as some of them can rival Sauron but others seem to be quite noble but still do terrible things because of that oath.
The two eldest were the most noble
The history of middle Earth is defined by the oath. Not taking the oath would have been great, but the glorious history of Noldor would be dimmed
Maehdros and Maglor were noble. Meanwhile Carnathir, Curifin, Amrod, and the other one were terrible and almost killed Beren. Maehdros and Maglor would have done there own thing while the others go off to do there own things (probably still sacking Sirion and Doriath). After the war of Wraith I would expect the 2 brothers (since the others would probably still die in the assaults) to go to Valinor and bring the Silmarils with them
So the first three that came to mind spontaneously are Túrin, Fingon, and Gelmir. Not sure why Fingon but the other two exceedingly stand out.
I also think that the Elves perishing under the command of Oropher and Amroth or Maedhros' union being betrayed make for horrific and deeply frustrating mass deaths. Denethor's death is also deeply disturbing, and expanded upon by depressing details revealed in that book chapter.
Fingon has a really bad end, especially given how awesome and heroic he is. Attacked from behind while in a duel and then has his body beaten into a mushy paste. Grim. 😞
@@luckywallace I don't think he was beaten to dust. I read the passage that he was beaten *into* the dust.
Do not mention Rings of Power please I'm trying to forget it exists
I would say the worst death would be the TV show when we all saw the trailers for Rings of Power.... that was pretty brutal
And speaking of Celebrimbor as a 'battle standard' when I first saw Mad Max decades ago, those swathed corpses propped up in front of the Humongous' war car made me think of that.
My vote is Turin. The death was comparatively tame but the circumstances next to it was too much.
What about Fingon, he was literally beaten into dust by Balrogs
It was the second one that came to my mind after Túrin. Then followed Gelmir...
I'd have to suggest Fingolfin's death at the hands of Grond had to be pretty visually brutal, if not all that dark and depressing. But if Grond was leaving smoldering craters in the ground, Fingolfin's body couldn't have looked all that summer ready under his armor by the end of it.
Fingolfin was never wounded by Grond.
He tripped in a cratter while fighting and Morgoth step on him, slowly crushing him.
@@randombillyn "But Fingolfin was an Incarnate, and Morgoth was an Ainu. Fingolfin could grow tired, where as Morgoth did not, so at last, his strength failed, and Morgoth struck Fingolfin, smashing him with his great hammer. Morgoth placed his boot onto Fingolfin, intending to crush him to pieces, but with his last stroke, Fingolfin stabbed the foot of Morgoth with Ringil."
Fair enough, he didn't die by Grond, but he was struck by it.
@@dtice69 there are several version then
I was referring to the one in the Silmarillon:
"But at the last the King grew weary, and Morgoth bore down his shield upon him. Thrice he was crushed to his knees, and thrice arose again and bore up his broken shield and stricken helm. But the earth was all... pitted about him, and he stumbled and fell backward before the feet of Morgoth; and Morgoth set his left foot upon his neck.... Yet with his last and desperate stroke Fingolfin hewed the foot with Ringil, and the blood gushed forth black and smoking and filled the pits of Grond."
@@randombillyn Oh mine's from there as well. Must have been an earlier issue since I had bought mine several years before the last edition was released. I suppose therein lies the main issue of JRR unfortunately not finalizing the Silmarillion before he passed lol.
It’s really bad that at the end of this vid I wasn’t even phased since I’ve been re-reading the ASOIAF books lol
If you're going with most brutal psychological moments and/or deaths, there is always Nienor and Turin. She gets her memories blocked bya dragon's magic, unknowingly marries her own brother and when her memory is unlocked, kills herself while pregnant. Then, Turin kills himself with his own cursed sword that actually wants and enjoys the death of its last wielder
3rd Scenario... Being an expert tracker, Boromir takes off after Frodo and Sam. He encounters Gollum, and kills him , just for being annoying as hell. Sam and Frodo get caught trying to get into Mordor, Sauron gets the Ring, Game Over.
Remember, Boromir was going along with this whole Nine Walker business only as long as the Ring was heading in the general direction of Minas Tirith. As soon as that changed, one could depend upon Boromir changing as well. If Boromir had NOT died when and where he did, things could have gotten Ugly in a hurry.
Boromir's death, and its location, was a vital and necessary part of the whole story.
I’d also say Fingon has a pretty brutal death. Balrogs ganging up on him.. blindsided by one and having an axe come down without the ability to stop it. That one always got me
I think at least with Fingon he dies pretty much instantly. Most of the damage is done after he's dead.
Silmarillion is metal as fuck
How can you forget Turin Turambar?!
Eluréd and Elurín's deaths I found as some of the saddest. This should have been wake up call to the eldest Son of Feanor Maedhros to get his brothers and elves under control and if anything fulfill the Oath through different means but did he do that? No... he just had to allow over hundreds of thousands of innocent children die because of his disinterest in reorganizing the doctrine which lead to such murder of righteous people and innocent bystanders.
Thanks too Valar for doing nothing either and letting the Sindar die like that even when they didn't do anything wrong or extremely evil I bet Eru would be so proud of you for that.
Surprised fingon didn't make the list. I suppose his death wasn't particularly brutal but just extremely dishonorable.
I could have included it based on the aftermath of his death where the Balrogs continued to smash his body into dust.
Although there's no examples to point to, what about being taken to the Houses of Lamentation to have your flesh devoured and your soul left naked to the Lidless Eye? That must have hurt some before you died. And taken some time.
Love your videos but would it be possible if you increased the volume on your voice a bit? I feel like your videos are 20% quieter than everything else lol
The thing about Finduilas's death is her relation to Gil-Galad, I wonder if we would have gotten another high king to rule to during the 3rd age and disallowed Sauron from even beginning the war of the ring if Finduilas lived and had any offspring. I also feel that her death might be the full display of Hurin's curse playing out, Tuor, a close relative but not a descendent of Hurin managed to stop evil from killing Idril and those two would go on to live fulfilling lives whereas Turin his cousin was a descendant of Hurin and so it was largely his fault that Finduilas was murdered by orcs in the first place. The similarities are evident when you consider that Turin and Tuor were mortals from the same family who both found themselves in some way or another, bonded with elven princesses. Where Tuor succeeded (not a descendent of Hurin), Turin failed miserably. These small things are what make Tolkien's work so profound
Ive heard that immolation or death by fire is the most painful way to die as every nerve in your body is experiencing an overload of pain and (this is just speculation) is why tibetan monks used to do put themselves on fire as a protest to both show the strength of their conviction to the cause and their spiritual attunement to remain calm while ablazed. A way to show their progress on the path to nirvana
Being burned alive is a pretty horrific death as in gilgalad. Also gollums death is pretty heroic level of painful, given that you dont just sink into lava like on the movie. As the body is made mostly of water, it would skip along the surface of the lava, boiling and melting away, cooking inside the skin.
Earnur I. the last King of Gondor, and Thrain II. King of Durins Folk have lost their heads and left the chat.
Hurin's daughter Nienor threw herself into a fast following river. More than likely she was battered to bits before she drowned. If that's not brutal I don't know what is.
Not to mention drowning isn't fast.
Can you do a video on uruks?
Surprised King Thror wasnt wasn't brought up.
The change to Denethor's death is just one of many reasons why I can't stand PJ's LotR trilogy.
Gollum dying with the ring in his hand. Thrain tortured to death in Dol Guldur. Earanur killed by the Nazgul as the last king of Gondor. The slow death of Glaurung after being stabbed in the belly.
Grill Galad sounds delicious.
You don't fall into Lava, you fall onto it. Lava is molten rock and ore, it weighs many times more than us so you suffer more
Sorry but it has to be added: Gorlim fought bravely along side barahir in dagor bragollach and was one of 12 men surviving, they came home to find their home plundered and no survivors. So his wife was missing, surely speculated to be dead but there was a chance right? you know hope which surely most people would have done. Some years later he walks into the trap after the spies learn of the matter and sauron conjures the phantom as you say, then he gets cruely tortured for some time but he refuses to give out any of his brothers in arms, and then as you say he is brought before sauron and because of his pressence and the longing for his wife and the promise to be reunited with his wife he breaks.
I know you have to try to make your videoes short but without this added information it seems he breaks at once.. his grief only grew in a war that only grew bleaker in what for a mortal surviving man of dagor braggollach surely seemed like a hopeless cause. But he still wouldnt break after torture from horrible deformed creatures.. only sauron in all his menace and deception and his promises finally sealed the deal.
Two very different pictures. But as always a spendid video.. seen them all!
Shadow of Mordor actually develops this a bit. One of the orcish artefacts has a memory of orcs laughing at how they got to see man stupid enough to believe his wife would be freed if he betrays his friends.
Remember, Gollum would not sink in the lava.
You left out Hurin's death. Yeah, Morgoth finally let Hurin go, but through decades of tragic anguish, he had to watch his beloved family self-destruct via Morgoth's Curse, and he was even forced to see his son and daughter conceive a child via an incestuous relationship (albeit, their blood-relation was at first unknown to Turin and his poor sister.) In a cruel act of "liberation", Morgoth finally released him from the iron chair to which he'd been bound, and so Hurin could wander Middle Earth bereft, in hopeless torment and suffering. Hurin wandered in anguish until he found his wife, who described to him her life of pain just prior to her death. At this point Hurin finally (and mercifully) succumbed to death as well. Morgoth made him suffer incessantly for decades and made his family suffer terribly as well - all for standing up to his evil. Morgoth was a complete and utter douche-stick and I'm hopin' Hurin, Turin and the rest of their family get a chance to stomp on his balls during the Dagor Dagoreth, right before Eru tosses him into Uttermost Darkness.
Boromir had definitely the worst death, becuase it broke my heart :(
I have a question why did gandalf never use his fireworks for battle surly they would've helped especially since one of them was a fire dragon
Grill-Galad holy shit 😂
Everyone else is watching the video, and I’m bopping to the Barrow Downs soundtrack from LOTRO in the background🤘🏻
2:40 "All three were dead by the end". Oh? Sauron was dead? What about that whole pesky Third Age, then?
I have always wondered if the twin boys were taken and corrupted into orcs.
If you wanna talk emotionally brutal turin is synonymous with that term
What about the dwarves Smaug roasted to death?? Or the people eaten by the trolls in the Hobbit? Or Earendur??????? Killed by the Witch King or his servants.
What about the witch king of Angmar he got crushed like a soda can
Thror's death is pretty bad too.
The real worst death was the franchise since RoP is such dogshit
No, since the franchise is what J.R.R. Tolkien wrote, not crappy fan fiction such as _The Lord of the Cringe, Rings of Prime_ .
King Eanur since we dont know what happened to him or how he died.
I prefer Gil-galad being Fingon's son instead of Orodreth's, don't know what other fans think on this.
Does Gorlim remind anyone of Dr. Yueh from Dune? Common in stories I guess.
Dior had it coming, sad what happened to his sons though.
I somewhat share your preference. The published Silmarillion works better that way given that Gil-Galad was guarded by Círdan instead of taking refuge in Nargothrond. You would either need an explanation why he did not stay with his kin - remember, until Túrin's arrival Nargothrond was still safe, while Círdan and his people lost their cities to flames - or rewrite it such that he spent less time with Círdan, and I dislike both options.
And to be clear to all: Christopher Tolkien called it a mistake to note Gil-Galad as Fingon's son. He did however not suggest to instead designate him as Orodreth's son. He suggested to leave the question unanswered.
Ereinion means scion of kings... for me, that resonates more with the heritage of Fingon and Fingolfin than with Orodreth and Finarfin
Grill-galad 🤣🤣🤣🤣
before I watch this video fully I think Celebrimbor or Gothmog only cause I feel like a being of fire and smoke being drowned would be extra awful. yeah he's a douche but like, still sounds rough. Edit: not to favor the evil beings but like, self-cannibalization sounds pretty fuggin brutal for Ungoliant. so God damn metal
I made the 300th like. Can we build a Spartan contingent now? 😁
Judging by the Rings of Power finale. The Lord of thr Rings franchise had the worst death..
I think Lord of the Rings will be fine.
@@DarthGandalfYT the books will endure, i have no doubts about that
What about the troll that gets killed by castration by Pippin at the Morannon?
Grillgalad :D
Gollum had a bad one.
Orc firing squad 😂😂😂😂
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In The Hobbit, Gandalf pierces some orcs chests with lightning bolts, pretty brutal imo