Very cool to see the polishing process by hand as well as the final result. I had been wondering about this for quite a while now, so this came as a pleasant surprise! :)
"the use of plumes is not entirely understood, but likely helped unit identification in battle" xD i'm pretty sure any child who sees a picture of a plume on a helmet intuitively understands the value of a big fancy feather in your hat :P
@fredscholpp5838 We're talking of the good ol’ English ton, 20 hundred weights = 2,240 avoirdupois pounds. Or if expressed in its smallest unit, 15,680,000 grains. 😁
No, the plate armor would not be manufactured in Virginia. There was the already established manufacturing base and its skilled labor in England plus the on going conflicts of the late-16th and early-17th centuries. New, used, and outdated armor was easy to acquire and ship off to Virginia. While Virginia Company officials in Virginia did request a couple armorers be hired for the Colony, none were every actually recruited. There was plenty of work in Europe, and probably extremely little incentive for any armorer to ever go to Virginia. The extent of armor making in Virginia was most likely limited to quilted armors -- quilted coats and bases. Plus repairs and some modification to the plate armor. Do check out this video about modified armor excavated at Jamestown and Jordan's Journey -- th-cam.com/video/7RdvLaalTho/w-d-xo.html Men could arrive in Virginia with their own personal armor, leave for Virginia with armor that had been provided to them while they served in a conflict such as in the Netherlands, or it simply provided to them once they arrived in Virginia. We make our own armor because there are so few places to purchase the appropriate pieces and because Parker and Fred are pretty talented.
This is very cool! In the video, you showed an etching of an almost industrial polishing facility in Europe, noting that simpler methods would be used in Jamestown. Did European armorsmiths have other machinery that would speed up the process of armor construction? Or did they just have very many smiths working at once to produce the armor for European armies? Another question: Would a breastplate take more or less time to make than a cabasset like this one? On the one hand, it's a larger piece of armor, but on the other hand it seems like it would require a bit less detail work (fitting halves perfectly together, sewing in liners, etc.). In any event, thank you for this very informative video!
Thank you. At the early-17th century, the proto-industrial capabilities would be found in the polishing mills, as illustrated in the video and the battery mills where the sheet iron was produced. Within armoring shops trip-hammers may have been used, otherwise much of the production was through the handwork of journeymen, apprentices and other laborers employed in the shops. With regards to production time, the making of a breast plate probably would take about the same time, or less, depending on a number of factors such as contracted fit and finish and whether it was a private or government contract.
Why is it called a "mushroom stake" instead of a "mushroom anvil"? Also the polishing takes quite a long time, was it always done, or was it sometimes skipped to meet big contracts in wartime? If it was skipped, did that make the piece more likely to rust, or to resist painting or "blueing"? In Europe, would the leatherwork normally be done by a leathershop, or most commonly by the armorer or his apprentices? Am I correct that at the time the English were favoring the cabasset the Spanish were favoring the morion? They seem to offer roughly equal protection but the morion looks to be superior as rain gear. Thank you so much for including the production time. Any idea of its cost in terms of legal loaves of bread? Thank you JYF for yet another superb video!
Thank you! Why is it called a “stake” and not an “anvil”? That’s a good question and we wish we could give you a better answer, but it appears that those tools set into holders or held in place in a vise tend to be called stakes. Like tools that are set into anvils are hardies and the hole in the anvil is a hardy hole. For leather straps and parts, master armorers and armories could contract with the shops of leatherworkers for the leather parts needed. They possibly could contract with the various trades such as strap makers, belt makers, or harness makers. In turn journeymen leatherworkers could be employed directly by an armory as well. On helmets, the fashion of the cabasset and morion came out of the armoring shops of Augsburg and Milan and became popular across Europe. The English or Spanish did not favor one style over the other and both kingdoms used both styles equally. Many of our modern impressions of the Spanish use of the morion helmet were created by artwork of the 19th century used to illustrate historical stories as well as 20th century films, such as Henry King’s 1947 film Captain from Castile with Tyrone Power. For insight into Spanish armor you might be interested in Spanish Arms and Armour, by Albert F. Calvert -- www.gutenberg.org/files/47878/47878-h/47878-h.htm
@@JYFMuseums Thank you so much! What knowledgeable, comprehensive, and quick answers to my questions! It really showcases JYF's expertise. I had a trip out to see you and Williamsburg a couple of weeks ago but life got in the way. Still hoping to get out this winter or early spring.
Thank you again, and hopefully we'll see you this spring. And to answer you last question, as far as cost in terms of legal loaves of bread. We'll assume penny loaves? An "inexpensive" set of munitions grade pikeman's armor cost about 17 shillings. A penny loaf being a pence, and 12 pence to a shilling (12x17), would be that a munition grade armor might be equal to the cost of 204 penny loaves of bread.
@leoscheibelhut940 Mainly the weight of a penny loaf, or any regulated loaf of bread was variable based on the cost of grain. As the market price went up, the weight of the loaf would decrease. Other materials could be cut into loaves as well. Pea flour sometimes being added. Local authorities tended to set rates yearly. Unfortunately the best answer we can give at the moment is that about the mid-14th century a farthing (a ¼ pence) loaf Wastel Bread weighed approximately 5 and a half pounds. It’s not an easy answer. The research rabbit hole we need to go down is the “Assize of Bread”, the laws governing bread. Wikipedia can at least give this introduction -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assize_of_Bread_and_Ale If you can find this article, it will give you all kinds of answers -- Ross, Alan S. C., ‘The Assize of Bread’ in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol 9, no 2 (1956) pp.332-342. And this might be helpful -- history.exeter.ac.uk/research/economicandsocialhistory/blogdiscussiontimetable202122/exeterstudorbakers/ We'll come back with a better answer when we find one.
I think it would be cool if you made a mushroom / bolt stake based on originals. You can find depictions of them on some pf Jan Breughels depictions of “Vulcans Forge”
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Very cool to see the polishing process by hand as well as the final result. I had been wondering about this for quite a while now, so this came as a pleasant surprise! :)
Thank you! We're glad it was a pleasant surprise and helpful!
wow I used to watch your build videos years ago.
Thanks!
There's more to come 🙂.
"the use of plumes is not entirely understood, but likely helped unit identification in battle" xD i'm pretty sure any child who sees a picture of a plume on a helmet intuitively understands the value of a big fancy feather in your hat :P
An excellent video! And a darn good looking helm as well! Very well done!
Thank you kindly!
WOW ... That is AMAZING !
Thank you! Parker does beautiful work.
beautifully done video Parker!
Thanks a ton!
@@JYFMuseums what kind of ton are we talking about? By weight , liquid measure or cooperage? surely not metric :0
@fredscholpp5838 We're talking of the good ol’ English ton, 20 hundred weights = 2,240 avoirdupois pounds. Or if expressed in its smallest unit, 15,680,000 grains. 😁
This was really cool. I had no idea how a helmet was made. Amazing!
Thank you very much. We're gland that you enjoyed the video and found it cool!
Such a cool design and craft
Thanks!
Interesting as always and beautiful craftsmanship. Regards from Sweden over the pond.
Thank you very much!
Nicely done. I didn't know they did this type of thing out there.
Thank you!
Excellent work as usual Mr. Brown. I really enjoyed the note about word collier.
Thank you.
That was great. A similar amount of time to make a mail shirt. Interesting
Thanks!
Would that type of work actually been done in Jamestown? Or were the soldiers issued those items before they arrived?
No, the plate armor would not be manufactured in Virginia. There was the already established manufacturing base and its skilled labor in England plus the on going conflicts of the late-16th and early-17th centuries. New, used, and outdated armor was easy to acquire and ship off to Virginia. While Virginia Company officials in Virginia did request a couple armorers be hired for the Colony, none were every actually recruited. There was plenty of work in Europe, and probably extremely little incentive for any armorer to ever go to Virginia. The extent of armor making in Virginia was most likely limited to quilted armors -- quilted coats and bases. Plus repairs and some modification to the plate armor. Do check out this video about modified armor excavated at Jamestown and Jordan's Journey -- th-cam.com/video/7RdvLaalTho/w-d-xo.html
Men could arrive in Virginia with their own personal armor, leave for Virginia with armor that had been provided to them while they served in a conflict such as in the Netherlands, or it simply provided to them once they arrived in Virginia.
We make our own armor because there are so few places to purchase the appropriate pieces and because Parker and Fred are pretty talented.
Do you guys sell any of the reproductions that you make? I’d love to buy one or these helmets.
Same I was going to ask the same
It’s fun to se history being made
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video.
That was extremely interesting and very well done!
Thank you!
Very well done and explained. Thank you.
You're welcome. Glad it was helpful!
Amazing Craftsmanship Sir! Truly an artform! Very well done!!!
Thank you very much!
How many likes do we have to get to for a sequel on how to make a cuirass?
Need a sponsor of a project?
I enjoyed the video
Thanks!
This is very cool! In the video, you showed an etching of an almost industrial polishing facility in Europe, noting that simpler methods would be used in Jamestown. Did European armorsmiths have other machinery that would speed up the process of armor construction? Or did they just have very many smiths working at once to produce the armor for European armies?
Another question: Would a breastplate take more or less time to make than a cabasset like this one? On the one hand, it's a larger piece of armor, but on the other hand it seems like it would require a bit less detail work (fitting halves perfectly together, sewing in liners, etc.).
In any event, thank you for this very informative video!
Thank you. At the early-17th century, the proto-industrial capabilities would be found in the polishing mills, as illustrated in the video and the battery mills where the sheet iron was produced. Within armoring shops trip-hammers may have been used, otherwise much of the production was through the handwork of journeymen, apprentices and other laborers employed in the shops.
With regards to production time, the making of a breast plate probably would take about the same time, or less, depending on a number of factors such as contracted fit and finish and whether it was a private or government contract.
@@JYFMuseums Thank you for that information!
You're very welcome!
I've become very interested in armor from about 1550 to 1650, which I think gets rather overlooked, especially compared to 15th century armor.
Why is it called a "mushroom stake" instead of a "mushroom anvil"? Also the polishing takes quite a long time, was it always done, or was it sometimes skipped to meet big contracts in wartime? If it was skipped, did that make the piece more likely to rust, or to resist painting or "blueing"? In Europe, would the leatherwork normally be done by a leathershop, or most commonly by the armorer or his apprentices? Am I correct that at the time the English were favoring the cabasset the Spanish were favoring the morion? They seem to offer roughly equal protection but the morion looks to be superior as rain gear.
Thank you so much for including the production time. Any idea of its cost in terms of legal loaves of bread?
Thank you JYF for yet another superb video!
Thank you! Why is it called a “stake” and not an “anvil”? That’s a good question and we wish we could give you a better answer, but it appears that those tools set into holders or held in place in a vise tend to be called stakes. Like tools that are set into anvils are hardies and the hole in the anvil is a hardy hole.
For leather straps and parts, master armorers and armories could contract with the shops of leatherworkers for the leather parts needed. They possibly could contract with the various trades such as strap makers, belt makers, or harness makers. In turn journeymen leatherworkers could be employed directly by an armory as well.
On helmets, the fashion of the cabasset and morion came out of the armoring shops of Augsburg and Milan and became popular across Europe. The English or Spanish did not favor one style over the other and both kingdoms used both styles equally. Many of our modern impressions of the Spanish use of the morion helmet were created by artwork of the 19th century used to illustrate historical stories as well as 20th century films, such as Henry King’s 1947 film Captain from Castile with Tyrone Power.
For insight into Spanish armor you might be interested in Spanish Arms and Armour, by Albert F. Calvert -- www.gutenberg.org/files/47878/47878-h/47878-h.htm
@@JYFMuseums Thank you so much! What knowledgeable, comprehensive, and quick answers to my questions! It really showcases JYF's expertise. I had a trip out to see you and Williamsburg a couple of weeks ago but life got in the way. Still hoping to get out this winter or early spring.
Thank you again, and hopefully we'll see you this spring. And to answer you last question, as far as cost in terms of legal loaves of bread. We'll assume penny loaves? An "inexpensive" set of munitions grade pikeman's armor cost about 17 shillings. A penny loaf being a pence, and 12 pence to a shilling (12x17), would be that a munition grade armor might be equal to the cost of 204 penny loaves of bread.
@@JYFMuseums Thank you again! Do you happen to know what a "penny loaf" weighed during the time period?
@leoscheibelhut940 Mainly the weight of a penny loaf, or any regulated loaf of bread was variable based on the cost of grain. As the market price went up, the weight of the loaf would decrease. Other materials could be cut into loaves as well. Pea flour sometimes being added. Local authorities tended to set rates yearly. Unfortunately the best answer we can give at the moment is that about the mid-14th century a farthing (a ¼ pence) loaf Wastel Bread weighed approximately 5 and a half pounds.
It’s not an easy answer. The research rabbit hole we need to go down is the “Assize of Bread”, the laws governing bread. Wikipedia can at least give this introduction -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assize_of_Bread_and_Ale
If you can find this article, it will give you all kinds of answers --
Ross, Alan S. C., ‘The Assize of Bread’ in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol 9, no 2 (1956) pp.332-342.
And this might be helpful -- history.exeter.ac.uk/research/economicandsocialhistory/blogdiscussiontimetable202122/exeterstudorbakers/
We'll come back with a better answer when we find one.
I think it would be cool if you made a mushroom / bolt stake based on originals. You can find depictions of them on some pf Jan Breughels depictions of “Vulcans Forge”
Well done
Thanks!
❤ VERY ,VERY INFORMATIVE!
WHERE COULD I PURCHASE ONE ?. ❤
such amount of work for a single piece of armour
Yall sell any helmets or armor?
We do not sell the armor we produce. Our manufacturing fills the needs of our museum.
@@JYFMuseums maybe one day?
How many man hours start to finish?
Approximately 82 hours of work to make the helmet. Go to 13:45
Please learn to pronounce de Gheyn. Try Forvo.
Do that for every name, before you use it.
Don't you have anything better to do? O_o