Glasgow Gangs 1960s Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
- An open, but brutal truth about the infamous Glasgow gangs in the late 60's, they were Mods, but the label ''gangs'' by the ''Untouchables'' of the Glasgow police was the label needed to break them up. Justify to the public that they were doing the job in hand in quashing the violence in the city centre at the weekend. The problem was nationwide, but as usual Glasgow was the ''scapegoat'' to make it appear, violence was a Glaswegian past time. Charlie 2013
A great piece of Glasgow history and some great styles, thanks for adding this.
Even in the '60s slumlands of Glasgow, kids were cleverer and cannier than they are today.
They werent stuck in houses
I joined the navy in 1960 s and i only went back to Glasgow only on my leave and i seen the gang slogans spray painted all over and decided to migrate to Oz in 1967 when i left the navy ,was the best move i ever made , i went back 4/5 times only for a holiday but things seemed to get even worse looking now at these videos , i find pathetic , the mentality of these youths is unbelievable, but then society now ,everywhere has gone mad , i am 70 now and feel civilization will be lucky to last 100 yrs if its lucky
Your destiny was Oz, the whole world has changed forever as we know from the constant barrage of negative media available dwelling on ''appeasement'' to someone ''offended'' enjoy the rest of your days in the sunshine Dave, you've earned your rest, I myself have just been a grand da for the 2nd time, got a beautiful 7 pound 10 ounce grand daughter, and I can only hope the time she is grown up, the world is a far better place than what we are seeing around us today, all the very best to you, god bless
you cant blame the children of children my friend , its the parents in scotland that have a lot to answer for, i have known violence all my life in scotland it was made out to me as a child that if i didnt fight and win i was nothing , it has instilled a mentality i have fought long and hard within myself to change
poverty.
IoM tty 1957
5:47 poor lad was givin a right flackin for sure
Read "Autobiography of a Murderer" by Hugh Collins. Joe Devlin plays a big part in the book,great read.He ended up Stabbed up by someone who was hiding in a wardrobe,who jumped out and murdered him.It's all in the book.
I don’t need to read the book now.
I remember my pal took me to see his old pals in Possilpark. They were a great bunch of young men. They accepted me a stranger, saying any pal of Alex's was a pal of theirs. I told them I was getting a bit of hassle by a group in my village. The gang walked Alex and I back to Queen st station. One guy wearing a Crombie jumped on the train beside me, he opened up his Crombie to reveal an array of weapons, he said when I have finished with Bs you won't get any more hassle.I persuaded the guy that I could sort things myself. I didn't want him getting into bother over me.I got my eyes opened that day and often wonder how they all got on in life.
Brilliant documentary...thanks for posting
Thanks TheDG Sexperience, there is a part 2 uploaded with Frankie Vaughans involvement in the Easterhouse Project, enjoy!!
I'll have a look later!! Ta..
Doesn't matter what decade, just sad
Loved seeing and hearing the Effect,,,absolutely brilliant. ,, I was in love with Jimmy Ingles....
Class style! mod style suits and hair cut. A lot classier than today's "neds"
the cop being interviewd looks like 60s killer bible john, lol perfect cover
I thought that as well,and there are some people that say bible john was a jelly whopper!!
@@MsJimbo1960 FFS...my instant thought...dead ringer m8...Slainte
Bible john is Peter Tobin
Said that over 19 years ago , head of "The Untouchables" my school pal in LochendTam McDonald his dad's sister Jemima was one of "Bible John's " poor young lassie victim, stuffed up a lum that's how I knew there was more than one faceless coward no way could one guy done that heinous crime ☯️🙏🏴🐕🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🌞
welcome to the concrete Jungle.
Thanks millbury55, there's a 2nd part posted as well, glad you have enjoyed watching this little piece of local history.
Mad to see Ferguson before Taggart and Man utd
the untouchables as they called there selfs were a bunch of thugs they pulled me off the street in hope street in the ninteen sixtys stood on my head kicked out one of my teeth ripped my jacket of my back smashed my glasses even the sherrif at the glasgow sherrif court went and called me back into the court room and said mr donnelly if you want you can take out a claim for damages[but i never bothered] because i would have got more hassel but forty years later they decided to wreck , my life looking for the so called crown jewels when they ripped my house to bits [whatch the documetary on u tube under this [THE PRINCESS HER MOTHER AND THE FALL GUY [ ORIGINAL]
Y is Glasgow accent changed so much over the years
I don't think it has changed that much. The deeper you go into the inner city the harder the accent is. Today, the neds and inner Glasgow gangs sound the same to me. When you get around the more posh type, such as trendies they sound more modern, their English is better and easier to understand.
Drug use has given the Glasgow Ned a higher pitch to his accent, almost a nasal whine. The rest have had their accent softened by early exposure to soaps and media generally.
Asiseeit13 shut up.
@@lunaluceat It's mostly slang. We don't speak gaelic.
@@lunaluceat bad joke
lol was a nice punch @ 5.34 right into front of the copz tae
I ran about with the Cumbie in Glasgow in the Sixties and seventies and we fought with anybody and had a lot of runins with the Shamrock, especially in the City Centre, changed Days, thank God. 😎
Tongs ya Bass
Lol
The guy in the black suit looks like Jimmy Boyle. Boyle's book was the best I read he was only in his twenties when he got life and then got another 26 years ,he was a very dangerous man but he did genuinely rehabilitate after his move to the Special Unit in Bar L
Hmmmmm that sargent talking about the Untouchables just noticed his resemblance to "Bible John " is uncanny to the drawing released my ma knew one of his victims Jemima MacDonald , my ma knew everyone , so strange his haircut watched a BBC Scotland programme a few months ago feel lost for words , just now strange heebie jeebies as we say in Glasgow 🥺
LOL. 5:50 to 5:55 - now that's proper policing; the kid chucks a punch the coppers take him out of site and give him a good hiding. That's what we need more of today!
These guys were such a load of of cowards! If you want to fight why not go to a boxing club and fight sober!
Takes more balls to fight with axes and knives than it does to fight in a boxing ring with padded gloves.
@Some Guy You couldn't be any further from the truth. I'd rather go head to head with Tyson than with some guy with a hatchet and nothing to lose.
If you seriously think that a structured boxing match with rules and the ability to say "I'm done" takes more balls than going head to head with someone in a knife fight, you're delusional.
He said " ah come fae the Bundy" that's Pollock, the Bundy no longer exist in Pollock, there is a Bundy in Clydebank still… They fight The Drum mob.
The lad speaking on far left at 10:53 is the young Jimmy Boyle...
is the same gang hugh Collins was in
I knew a "peacekeeper", a Georgian called Mark Austerer who had several steel plates in his skull, a steel bridge in his jaw, most of the bone structure in his nose gone and had more stitching than a badly made suit, tough as old boots and then some and he was picked because he had grown up in the very worst of Soviet Georgia and Glasgow seemed like a change up in his fortunes I reckon hehehe
Ah right Joe The Bear Devlin talking about how he's not a grass when in 1977 he grassed his mate Hugh Collins straight up for stabbing someone outside The Lunar Seven Bar and escaped jail when his mate got life
''yummy, yummy,yummy we're the sooside Cumbie, an we feel like chibbin. the toon!!'' that cracks me up, only a Glesga punter could take a 1910 Fruitgum & Co song re write it and make it their own🤣🤣🤣my personal favourite was Scott McKenzies ''San Francisco'' Glesga style version ''if your going to ''Sam Plank's Disco''.....'' Glesga Hippys eh???😜😜
0:48 his mannerisms are that of Marlon Brando, in 'On The Waterfront'. Quite charismatic, for such a young fella.
Charles Murphy, you referred to these guys as Mods. How did you work that one out?
The three button suits, smart look, the style/cut of the clothes and shoes and hair. The fact it was the youth of the sixties too. Mods were around from early sixties right to now with a big 'revival' late seventies to 80's then another with the likes of oasis but they're a btmritish sub culture of music, style, hair etc not just a scooter, I've been a mod for 35 years and I've never owned a scooter ever for example. Never sat on one even lol
5:34 *thwack!* "fuck off ya eejit!" lol
Glasgow gets a worse press than it should, im from London and I know....
It will never change am afraid always show the negative rather than the positive, but hey that's life, there's people out there worse off than us.
So true and im happy in Glasgow how about that?
Cool Chris it's a very vibrant city, so yeah we have a few bams so does every city am afraid, glad your enjoying living here, all the very best!!!
Doesn't get worse press, just shows the reality of Glasgow, obviously some areas are vibrant and some areas aren't, but I think it's best the press give an idea to tourists of the reality instead of letting them show up to Easter house, possil, castle milk etc thinking all Glasgow is going to be a colourful lovely place.
Charles Murphy .
Cant understand a word those scotts are saying ! “Ooo bloooo anda eue ya know? “Lol
Does anyone have the original release date and production company for this?
its says at the very beginning of the film, stupid.
There seems to be two Joe Devlins ,the bear and someone else . Who is the boy interviewed here ? I imagine he lived a short , violent life ?
Sounds as though some Glasgow woman dumped you big time, there's ugly woman everywhere, after all this video was made in the 60's times change. No matter where you go anywhere in this world women dump you, just in different languages, c'est la vie.
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Hi I am very interested about this guy is he still alive,they guy was given interview starting from beginning The Shamrock gang leader .As i found out he is Joe The Bear Devlin,and I can't find anything on Google about him, I would like to know is he still alive and or he continued all life being criminal.if someone knows any info please reply.
See my post a few posts above this post. He was not Joe The Bear Devlin… The Bear, was another guy… But yes he was Joe Devlin… Joe was murdered about 15 years after this interview. Another guy caught him shagging his bird and beat him to death with a crow bar… Joe was a full time gang member and lived the gang / criminal life till he died… Joe was one of the leaders of The Shamrock but the real leader of The Shamrock at that time was Albert Faults.... Joe and the other leaders were wild and game but Albert was in a league of his own… Albert would literally have stabbed his own granny for a laugh.. RCS=Royston Catholic Shamrock….
don't really know a lot due to my age 16.
my dad was from partick in these days and apprently it was hard back then my grandad gentlman jim was very well known and would like to know more about him anyone know anything about him
What’s ur dads name
Well they say the best thing in Edinburgh is the road that leads you to Glasgow, pmsl!!!
I wonder where that Dev lin lad is now did he settle down did he emigrate or did trouble follow him around u hope he had a good life if possible ?
As far as I know he is still alive and stays in Royston although is very old, he ended up leading a generally quiet life after he became an outcast by grassing up his pal Hugh Collins for murder in the 70s. Joe still has loads of family with the same surname in Royston/Blackhill
They all immature and silly but defo as rough and tough as they claim to be, you did indeed risk life and limb going into any other gangs territory alone and if you were accompanied of course you were most likely looking for a fight lol. I was born from a large glasgow family in Glasgow and I know Glasgow on the whole as a friendly great city but if you want trouble you'll get it, by God you'll get it, Edinburgh is toddlers playing in a paddling pool by comparison. It's well said that you'll have more fun at a glesga stabbing than an Edinburgh wedding! Also, you just don't get a hard man from Edinburgh
its called being young, Joe Devlin is still around in a mobility scooter now an auld aquaintance of an uncle of mine, none of us can stop time,I love the Locarno footage always heard about it to see the footage while editing the footage, magic!!! only Glesga folk could take a bubble gum pop hit song from their era and make it theirs, love it!!
Thanks milbury55, that's exactly what it is, local history, all the best.
Joe "the bear" was known as Joe "the hare" to other shamrock members due to the speed with which he would leave when things kicked off. Pointed out Hugh Collins in court and made a statement against him which led to Collins' conviction.
Still lives in Royston Road I believe but is treated as a pariah due to his role in Collins conviction.
What chance had any of them when Mr Cameron the guy in charge of the night club place, even he was absolutely blootered! Lol the guy couldn't string a proper sentence together and he's in charge of folk having a safe and happy night out in a city centre! Somebody get a hold of his story and let's look at who these folks were that were in charge. Same as the idiot polis and his tripe he's spouting, look at him! He's not got the necessary toy dolls when you hear him either. Any and I mean any glesga slightly hard man would make him empty his bladder with a look never mind a physical challenge lol just look at him
Is Glasgow any worse than Manchester, Liverpool, South London, or Sheffield?
Fraser Dorrian Aye for a long time too.
Not sure about the first three but its definitely worse than Sheffield. Sheffield is the safest big city in Britain. Im not saying it doesn't have tough spots- all cities do, but there is no way its comparable to Glasgow. Glasgow has proportionatly more murders per 100,000 people than London. I think it's improved a lot but it is still unquestionably a tough, violent city. So yes I would say it's worse. For decades 'Glasgow' itself was a byword for a tough place.
Yes glasgow has double the murder rate of london and 170 gangs 10 more than london even thought its a lot smaller . Seems that the gangs and knifes are starting to calm down. But at the end of the day glasgow will never change as much as people want to move away and hide from the stereotype of knives and gangs its true all over scotland not just glasgow . The small town where i live near glasgow has 10000 people and 3 gangs in one small scheme. Depends where you go in glasgow go to the drum pollok easterhouse calton and you will see.
Yes
It was far worse than them all
Hopefully someone may give you the answer to the question Callum Neill, good luck and hope someone watching may know grand da from the 60's
What does Joe say from 1:45 to 1:52?
Some o' they boys did a bit o' grassin' (some of the boys became police informants), four o' them's daein' time (four of them are in prison), we don't like that a' ta' (we don't like that at all), that's how we go doon a' the time to see the score with them (that's why we regularly go out looking for them, so we can settle the score i.e. take revenge).
Lol, but we have a sense of humour, remember this was filmed in the late
60's, times have changed.
Anyone know what ever happened to Joe Devlin? Would like to know if he lived past 30..
yes I do he is still alive as with anyone today his age he is in a mobility scooter.
How do you know this for sure. Thanks for the upload.
Gangs in suites and ties?
haha, 'look at the birds we've got, they're brilliant'...hahahaha...
Cumbie, Ya Bas.
who's in my gang my gang my we gang
Aye, bring m in here pal lol
Group disorder. He said it about ten times.
Wish there were sutitles, can't understand much to be honest!🤣
He looks like a young Ray Winstone
It's not like this now. It's in colour for one.
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Well I'm from edinburgh but I am an eighth weegie because of my grandad. I've been to hospital but there's nowt they can do, I've just got to keep taking the pills and hope for the best. Lol.
You good g?
Maybe he was in one of the gangs in this documentary,lol!!!
Very clever people wonder were they are now ?
they developed in to meat wagon----not a mob to meet
Glasgow is still miles Better i lived through those times we kids sure seen some fights back then i was born in Glasgow in 1966 getting old noo still miss the place
Ah know ffs the documentary is made in the 60's and he was probably had a ''dry bath'' these guys ain't used to women talking back to them, lol!!!
Nicholas Westwood Kidd was busted a cop shot in the chest, and so was i in Sudan in 2005 at the age off during the civil war.
i will upload a Picture of my dented chest to prove my point.
Tongs Ya Bass!
look they came to springburn n got wasted--------we joes a prk----collins was the guy
The Shamrock rarely ran away, I dont know about now but back then they were game as fuck… Joe went ahead wi Shug… Maybe they got done in Springburn I bet they were outnumbered though… Shug murdered hingey fae the Peg…
YBT
Does anyone remember a gang called big fleet?? Glasgow
They're speaking English, yet I still need subtitles. What an accent...
***** Lol even when Scots try a translation and it's typed you can't understand what they're saying.
They are Glaswegian.
Yet we can all understand your accents in "igurlund" eh? Just as strong just as regional more ignorant and bloody arrogant though eh?
Until merapeaks ruined it
The untouchables ha ha ha
@10:46 Ma maw.
lol fantastic
Possil Pigs Ya Bas 😊
He know he know ,can this fud really talk he know