From watching his interviews and ingame reactions what I always felt zywoo was missing over simple is the killer carry attitude. Dude's too chill. He doesn’t have the star player arrogance which is needed for the GOATs. Because mechanically dude's equally good as simple.
I would argue zywoo has better mechanics than s1mple. Watch a few demos from both players and its crystal clear that zywoo's understanding of the game mechanics is on another level. S1mple has the balls to do the unthinkable risky and flashy stuff, zywoo is calm and collected at every situation. Dude literally does not make mistakes.
@@MrJellyCS what makes s1mple the GOAT is not his flashy plays. Honestly the one thing making s1mple so good is his mobility and positioning. It’s honestly like he’s not playing csgo how good this guy is at movement.
the thing about zywoos career is that his rating decreased slightly every year from 2019 on which is really weird considering that your first year is supposed to be the worst year while in zywoos case its the opposite
I think a big reason for this is that he hasn’t had a consistently strong team since 2019. They lost their igl in 2020, had the whole kyojin situation in 2021 and then the fragging inconsistencies in the 2022 international squad.
I think the problem with Zywoo is that not that he's not aggressive or assertive enough to his teammates, but rather that he simply doesn't do enough in the server to make the difference. That sounds strange, but it's honestly true. He really does remind me of KennyS in that aspect, where he's doing a lot to try and win, but it doesn't really happen and people blame the teammates, but sometimes he's not doing the carrying hard enough. A lot of the time Zywoo's in 1 v 3's and such and he wins a lot of clutch scenarios, but there's also a lot of scenarios where he just ends up saving because all his teammates died so you're going to lose like 5-6 of those rounds a game and that can be the difference between a 16-13 win and a 16-14 loss. A lot of Zywoo's best clips are where he's ready for the enemy team and he just shuts them down, that's where he excels. Or where he's on T side and he's the one pushing into the bombsite and cleaning people up. To clarify, I'm not saying make him a hard entry or anything, but he certainly has to do more to be the win condition. It feels like a lot of the time he gets two frags in the mid round and then even with those frags, he's alone and has to save. I contrast this with the scenario where if he was more aggressive in the actual server with him getting the opening two picks and putting his team in a 3 v 5, at that point his team will likely just trade the kills out and win the round. So, I don't know if it's the current way CS:GO is played, but this happened a lot with KennyS where he used to be put in 1 v 4's and 1 v 3 scenarios and he would just go godmode and win those rounds, but lose the game. But I never saw this with hard carry s1mple, it always seemed like he did the peeks that helped but his team at an advantage and even though he lost he made it much further and deeper in tournaments. I mean the fact is Zywoo has not made it to Top 4 at a major, yet s1mple did it twice with a washed up Hiko, a young ELiGE, a standin (once) and nitr0 (who was on the decline) and a JDM who was just "okay" at that point in his career. I mean we're talking Zywoo being on a team of legends like Happy, Shox, apEX, NBK etc and never reaching Top 4 at a major, and s1mple has the equivalent of ELiGE, a bunch of upset teammates because of his attitutde and a box of scraps and he took them to semis and finals.
Zywoo is better. Just watch the clips. Thoorin says Zywoo has no killer instinct and he's dead wrong. A very peripheral analysis of a more complex person.
I disagree with Thoorin's Zywoo take on him having better teammates than S1mple is the furthest thing from the truth in my opinion. I dont think Zywoo needed or needs experienced teammates, the dude was literally number 1 in his rookie year and he was so good that people were already saying he was one of the greatest players of all time IN HIS FIRST YEAR. Even Apex said that Zywoo played like a veteran automatically and knew what he had to do and always made the right play at the right time. Zywoo has never had a team as good as Simple, Niko, Device, Olofmeister, Get Right, Forest and even Monesy for god sakes. Vitality keep bringing either players way too inexperienced or players that are way off their time, Spinx and Magisk are literally the first right moves they have made in my mind.
Zywoo is probably the best teammate you can acquire. He does not rage, can play international, good with all weapons and does not have an big ego and he just do whatever igl says. He can fit in almost any team. Amazing player
Thorin what do u think about how G2 uses NiKo? He entries alone on t side always and he always dies first or dies a lot because of that and I feel like his numbers dropped down in this last event but they won because of his impact
Watching that verti T default was something else. His impact looking at stats made it look like he was an average-good pro on that map . But watching the game he was filling the role of 2/3 players at once.
Zywoo is Messi. He's very technical but he reads his opponents. He's more natural than S1mple. S1mple has the most hours and the most experience. He's more a team player.
I think zywoo will overtake simple in terms of raw skill and performance but simple has had such a special, interesting and controversial carrer that he will unfortunately never truly overtake him if that makes sense. Simple is too iconic sort of like Faker.
S1mple is more skilled than zywoo. S1mple single handedly won them some trophies under Zeus even in the Astralis Era when there were flamie and Edward.. 2 bots. However Zywoo's gamesense is on another level; better than S1mple.
@@rishovaditya7452 no. Zywoo is obviously more skilled. He is already the greatest pistol player statistically and a master with every gun on his hands. Zywoo also carries bots, in fact 4 bots. Apex, shox, kyojin, misuta. In fact Zywoo is the only player in history to reach #1 spot with 0 teammates in the top 20, he did it twice.
That's how you should play him and I'm not sure why Alex gets criticised for it. If you have a player that can just go nuclear almost every round, why wouldn't you set them up in a way that destroys the competition
Zywoo is better. Always was. Without killer instinct? Because Thoorin said? Because Zywoo smiles at the camera? You don't get that good without a killer instinct.
@@aachoocrony5754 i can do things at a profoundly high level at the electric guitar only Scotty Mishoe can play, only him and him alone, 2 in the world. I can do them without much effort, because some peopel like messi and zywoo and scotty mishoe are naturals. Maybe zywoo is better than s1mple, i'm not good enough at the game to know, but zywoo is a more neurotypical guy while s1mple has obvious asperger's and that anger reflects on his aggressive play.
@@ericcotter1984 S1mple is raw and ambitious. He works very hard, harder than others. Zywoo is relaxed because he knows no one is more gifted. Zywoo's sign is Scorpion. I think his soft exterior has many fooled. He's certainly diplomatic like most players. *I don't think we've seen a player w Asperger's yet but that's just my opinion. They would play even better.
@@ericcotter1984 you're only one of 2? and you don't have asperbergers dude. How about that! But in case you do and AND I turn pro, we should play on the same time. 🤔😁
My thought before watching the video all the way through is that maybe he has the potential to be the goat considering he has the skill but not the toxicity of s1mple or motivation issues of kennys🤔
@@HaasTheFirst just because it sounds French , it does not make it French. Zywoo says it is zywoo and no ziwoo, apex said it is zywoo, what else do you want. You want them to purposefully say it ziwoo cause it's not French enough , are you a moron ?
The topic of this video is extremely interesting. I always was on the "s1mple side", since I found zywoo overhyped, especially 2020. But I always thought zywoo is insane, and exactly because of the unrealized potential argument, extremely interesting to watch. Now that monesy is on the rise, it will be interesting if zywoo will switch it up a gear, since the pressure won't fall off even with s1mple coming into the autumn of his career.
That's what people said about 2018 s1mple too. And look what he did in 2021. Zywoo is nowhere near his peak, he doesn't even have the players around him yet.
From watching his interviews and ingame reactions what I always felt zywoo was missing over simple is the killer carry attitude. Dude's too chill. He doesn’t have the star player arrogance which is needed for the GOATs. Because mechanically dude's equally good as simple.
I would argue zywoo has better mechanics than s1mple. Watch a few demos from both players and its crystal clear that zywoo's understanding of the game mechanics is on another level. S1mple has the balls to do the unthinkable risky and flashy stuff, zywoo is calm and collected at every situation. Dude literally does not make mistakes.
@@MrJellyCS his mechanics are never seen before. Perfect crosshair placament, counter steering, repeeking. Just watch couple of his demos
@@jozef9659 bro said countersteering
@@MrJellyCS what makes s1mple the GOAT is not his flashy plays. Honestly the one thing making s1mple so good is his mobility and positioning. It’s honestly like he’s not playing csgo how good this guy is at movement.
but it could possibly be the very reason why he is able to carry as well, thats why this is a tricky subject.
the thing about zywoos career is that his rating decreased slightly every year from 2019 on which is really weird considering that your first year is supposed to be the worst year while in zywoos case its the opposite
Lose alex lose your skill kek
I think a big reason for this is that he hasn’t had a consistently strong team since 2019. They lost their igl in 2020, had the whole kyojin situation in 2021 and then the fragging inconsistencies in the 2022 international squad.
Nah it's only this yr,if u really see 2020 and 2021 zywoo stats r almost same. Only this yr he had pretty bad stats overall.
@@t.w.videos1739 lmfao as if Alex was winning quite alot out side of vita and zywoo right 🤡?kekw
the thing about zywoo's career is that even in his worst years, he is still a top 2-3 player.
I think the problem with Zywoo is that not that he's not aggressive or assertive enough to his teammates, but rather that he simply doesn't do enough in the server to make the difference. That sounds strange, but it's honestly true. He really does remind me of KennyS in that aspect, where he's doing a lot to try and win, but it doesn't really happen and people blame the teammates, but sometimes he's not doing the carrying hard enough.
A lot of the time Zywoo's in 1 v 3's and such and he wins a lot of clutch scenarios, but there's also a lot of scenarios where he just ends up saving because all his teammates died so you're going to lose like 5-6 of those rounds a game and that can be the difference between a 16-13 win and a 16-14 loss. A lot of Zywoo's best clips are where he's ready for the enemy team and he just shuts them down, that's where he excels. Or where he's on T side and he's the one pushing into the bombsite and cleaning people up.
To clarify, I'm not saying make him a hard entry or anything, but he certainly has to do more to be the win condition. It feels like a lot of the time he gets two frags in the mid round and then even with those frags, he's alone and has to save. I contrast this with the scenario where if he was more aggressive in the actual server with him getting the opening two picks and putting his team in a 3 v 5, at that point his team will likely just trade the kills out and win the round.
So, I don't know if it's the current way CS:GO is played, but this happened a lot with KennyS where he used to be put in 1 v 4's and 1 v 3 scenarios and he would just go godmode and win those rounds, but lose the game. But I never saw this with hard carry s1mple, it always seemed like he did the peeks that helped but his team at an advantage and even though he lost he made it much further and deeper in tournaments. I mean the fact is Zywoo has not made it to Top 4 at a major, yet s1mple did it twice with a washed up Hiko, a young ELiGE, a standin (once) and nitr0 (who was on the decline) and a JDM who was just "okay" at that point in his career. I mean we're talking Zywoo being on a team of legends like Happy, Shox, apEX, NBK etc and never reaching Top 4 at a major, and s1mple has the equivalent of ELiGE, a bunch of upset teammates because of his attitutde and a box of scraps and he took them to semis and finals.
Zywoo is better. Just watch the clips. Thoorin says Zywoo has no killer instinct and he's dead wrong. A very peripheral analysis of a more complex person.
I disagree with Thoorin's Zywoo take on him having better teammates than S1mple is the furthest thing from the truth in my opinion. I dont think Zywoo needed or needs experienced teammates, the dude was literally number 1 in his rookie year and he was so good that people were already saying he was one of the greatest players of all time IN HIS FIRST YEAR. Even Apex said that Zywoo played like a veteran automatically and knew what he had to do and always made the right play at the right time. Zywoo has never had a team as good as Simple, Niko, Device, Olofmeister, Get Right, Forest and even Monesy for god sakes. Vitality keep bringing either players way too inexperienced or players that are way off their time, Spinx and Magisk are literally the first right moves they have made in my mind.
I’d love to watch zywoo being the center of his team. Imagine a peak ego’d out zywoo
Zywoo is probably the best teammate you can acquire. He does not rage, can play international, good with all weapons and does not have an big ego and he just do whatever igl says. He can fit in almost any team. Amazing player
20:19 reminded me of when thorin accidentally called the N64 a "recent console" on BTN. Good times
Thorin what do u think about how G2 uses NiKo? He entries alone on t side always and he always dies first or dies a lot because of that and I feel like his numbers dropped down in this last event but they won because of his impact
Watching that verti T default was something else. His impact looking at stats made it look like he was an average-good pro on that map .
But watching the game he was filling the role of 2/3 players at once.
I was a huge federer fanboy and used to shit on Nadal whenever Fed won, but yah. After like 3 years I started to respect Nadal.
It's always a nice thing coming back to a content creator and hear that he is still being supported by butt pounder 420.
Device is Ronaldo (trained) and Simple is Messi (natural). Zywoo is Mbappe
Device is more like pele,ronaldo can carry sh*t mates and win,device can't do that. Zywoo is more ronaldo overall.
Zywoo is Messi. He's very technical but he reads his opponents. He's more natural than S1mple. S1mple has the most hours and the most experience. He's more a team player.
I think zywoo will overtake simple in terms of raw skill and performance but simple has had such a special, interesting and controversial carrer that he will unfortunately never truly overtake him if that makes sense. Simple is too iconic sort of like Faker.
S1mple is more skilled than zywoo. S1mple single handedly won them some trophies under Zeus even in the Astralis Era when there were flamie and Edward.. 2 bots. However Zywoo's gamesense is on another level; better than S1mple.
@@rishovaditya7452 no. Zywoo is obviously more skilled. He is already the greatest pistol player statistically and a master with every gun on his hands. Zywoo also carries bots, in fact 4 bots. Apex, shox, kyojin, misuta. In fact Zywoo is the only player in history to reach #1 spot with 0 teammates in the top 20, he did it twice.
@@rishovaditya7452 wow lets not talk about electronic right?zywoo carried far worse team mates than s1mple ever did.
It’s funny how people criticise the “ZywOo go kill” style, but that does work.
That's how you should play him and I'm not sure why Alex gets criticised for it. If you have a player that can just go nuclear almost every round, why wouldn't you set them up in a way that destroys the competition
I get the feeling that thorin watched Blue Lock before making this video
When is that evil genius’s video coming out mate
~2:50, what's the podcast/show thorins talking about there? I can't find it
Faze should trade Broky for zywoo
I believe zywoo would do good in faze and under karrigan.
+1
Zywoo is s1mple without the killer instinct
Zywoo>s0mple. S0mple is old news now.
Zywoo is better. Always was. Without killer instinct? Because Thoorin said? Because Zywoo smiles at the camera? You don't get that good without a killer instinct.
@@aachoocrony5754 i can do things at a profoundly high level at the electric guitar only Scotty Mishoe can play, only him and him alone, 2 in the world. I can do them without much effort, because some peopel like messi and zywoo and scotty mishoe are naturals. Maybe zywoo is better than s1mple, i'm not good enough at the game to know, but zywoo is a more neurotypical guy while s1mple has obvious asperger's and that anger reflects on his aggressive play.
@@ericcotter1984 S1mple is raw and ambitious. He works very hard, harder than others. Zywoo is relaxed because he knows no one is more gifted. Zywoo's sign is Scorpion. I think his soft exterior has many fooled. He's certainly diplomatic like most players.
*I don't think we've seen a player w Asperger's yet but that's just my opinion. They would play even better.
@@ericcotter1984 you're only one of 2? and you don't have asperbergers dude. How about that! But in case you do and AND I turn pro, we should play on the same time. 🤔😁
My thought before watching the video all the way through is that maybe he has the potential to be the goat considering he has the skill but not the toxicity of s1mple or motivation issues of kennys🤔
I would love to see Zywoo in a fully functioning team, Vitality still seem so hit and miss.
Zywoo said it himself that it's zywoo and not ziwoo.
Thoorin had said in the past that he does pronunciations like that so that it makes him stand out
@@amartripathy ahhh ok ok hahaha lmaoo
Why would a French player want an American pronunciation. Just think for a second.
@@HaasTheFirst just because it sounds French , it does not make it French. Zywoo says it is zywoo and no ziwoo, apex said it is zywoo, what else do you want. You want them to purposefully say it ziwoo cause it's not French enough , are you a moron ?
@@HaasTheFirst i thought about it, seems reasonable 👍
2:09
Faze zywoo 😱
"ZwyOo"
Is this a jab at s1mples name being misspelled when he received his award?
Make a hltv top 20 prediction pls
He won't ever be better then s1mple. Because he lacks the killer mentality that s1mple has.
The topic of this video is extremely interesting. I always was on the "s1mple side", since I found zywoo overhyped, especially 2020. But I always thought zywoo is insane, and exactly because of the unrealized potential argument, extremely interesting to watch. Now that monesy is on the rise, it will be interesting if zywoo will switch it up a gear, since the pressure won't fall off even with s1mple coming into the autumn of his career.
m0nesy is not even close to zywoo level,i think sh1ro is the one who can rival zywoo not m0nesy.
@@Sperm_whale_squid_killer true, but monesy easily could with more experience in a year or so
21:45 really?
i prefer s1mple and messi and ronaldo would be 3rd of the 4
all are fckin awesome tho
In terme of personality and raw skill, zywoo is more of a messi, more shy and naturally gifted but as much of a leader with ego like CR7 and s1mple
@@skryyper6706 zywoo a leader?
i dont think so
@@peterenis3507 i said not as much a leader as s1mple but more gifted
zwyoo
He cant
What unrealized potential? He's already peaked.
Bros 22 💀
Based on what
That's what people said about 2018 s1mple too. And look what he did in 2021. Zywoo is nowhere near his peak, he doesn't even have the players around him yet.
U r literally delusional if u think like that🤣😂.
did you even comprehend the video?
Apex needs to go or he needs to leave vitality for faze and make a superteam
Who would you replace with apex on faze? Theres no one you should change on faze
@@tyemorris9056zywoo is an upgrade for broky unless you want to kick rain and put broky as a rifle
Ambiguous pronoun