@@origamitom It works here like a charme. I don't know why the people have problems with it. All my company connection go through VMs on my host. Before it was all with different Laptops which was a pain in the ass.
I appreciate that you give Asrock products a fair shake. Some other channels do their best to ignore the brand. I happen to really like the Asrock brand. As far as the A770, I really like the sophisticated styling of the Intel limited edition model. I wish more AIBs would offer cards with styling that is catered towards adults.
Well they have made quite alot of really awful motherboards throughout the years just like Asus has made a huge amount of terrible GPU's, kinda their own fault.
I think that's a good point that if Intel stick with this, they will be a force in the coming years. Because for a first gen product this is actually good. When the drivers get better, and they fix/improve the design I think they will be competing well in the next gen. Also, if unRAID hurry up and release a version with Linux 6.0 I would like to see how well this works with plex and encoding on Linux.
Last thing I heard from non unRAID users trying the same, there are a few links missing in the chain for Plex and this GPU to do encoding, so you shouldn't be in a hurry to go Linux 6.0 kernel on your unRAID box just yet.
I own a A770 16GB and it’s been an interesting experience so far. Borderlands 3 and COD MW2 actually play really well on it, however Crysis 3 remastered crash’s to the desktop constantly. It’s a tinkering card for sure but honestly it’s good fun for people like me 😅. Great video and I hope Intel continues down the consumer gaming GPU path and doesn’t just shift all its focus to data center as some reports suggests.
@@phoenixrising4995 thanks for the advice! I’ll give it a look. Same, the Intel LE version. I genuinely think it’s a beautiful design. Feels and looks very high quality.
Make sure you have resizable bar enabled in bios.. you need a cpu and board which supports it though.. it’s crucial for the a770 to perform at its best and any game which has bar support gives a big increase in frames and smoothness. Does require bios update and vbios update too. And the latest driver from Intel 👍
@@BlazedAFGaming Yeah absolutely, the intel driver literally screams at you if you don’t have it enabled 🤣. I’m always running the latest beta drivers too. Crysis 3 remastered simply crashes if you have ray tracing enabled. However I believe it might be fixed now.
Quite appealing to be honest, mid-range is so fun nowadays in terms of price, competition, and performance. Next build I would probably get one for sff.
I want to see more videos / articles investigating machine learning performance on these cards. Especially with 16GB of RAM, these have a lot of potential on a budget, but do they live up to it?
Intel's deep learning stack is probably the weakest of the big 3 GPU vendors, so creating benchmarks might be more trouble than it's worth. One hopes things will improve in the coming months, as they've got a lot of the low-level libraries required.
We've had a A770 limited 16GB for over a month now. Honestly we are more shocked by how trouble free it was. The dire warners were warranted, but Intel are going all out smoothing those drivers out. Some games like Microsoft Flight Sim Maxed and Metro Exodus EE maxed and raytraced; it soundly beats a 3070ti.
I don't really use Windows at home anymore and my gaming needs are light. I would however like a sensibly priced card for Linux. I would like to play same games on Proton eventually, but won't realistically be playing AAA on PC. These cards interest me. I'll see how things look when I do my next build
Intel ANV Vulkan driver is getting its ray tracing support enabled in mesa 22.3 due out next week. It should be in the Archlinux repos around Christmas. Might be a nice toy to have for the holidays for the Linux Fanboys.
I think it was GN that was saying the a770 seems to have an architectural advantage at higher resolutions - while it can't keep up with the raw performance right now the frame rates fall off slower than other GPUs, it's just that the other cards are starting at higher rates. That is to say, in a couple of generations if Intel doesn't just give up like they did with 3DXpoint they might turn out some really good high res cards eventually. Key word being eventually.
Newegg has this card on sale for $249.99, the same price as the a750 limited edition 😮 I purchase one immediately. Upgrading from an Nvidia 1650 SC and I can't wait 😁
holy shit the acer version looks so cool. It also comes in 16gb variety if I get it correctly. If the price stays low thats a steal. The 16gb is the only reason I got the intel arc (limited edition), no other card comes close to vram at this price point
I wanted to buy the A770 for use on Linux, until I found out that the driver is not feature complete yet. Basically most DX12 games do not work because of that with Proton. So I'm holding out until that Intel has the drivers sorted out, and if it takes too long I'm just going to get some mid-range RDNA3 card instead.
Since it is always good to not have really new hardware I would go for the 6900xt. It is absolutely great with Linux currently actually quite affordable. If you want to spend less of course 6800xt oder 6700xt is also a good option.
Mesa 22.3 will give Intel ARC a working Ray Tracing implementation to the Vulkan driver. Also, it brings a bunch of fixes. If you are on Archlinux then December might be a good time to buy.
@@zebarzebra The RX 6700XT is really tempting, but I would like AV1 encoding and better raytracing performance. So that is why I have not jumped on the RDNA2 cards.
I grabbed a Intel LE model and another 3rd party card (Acer) A770 because I want 16GB, I would prefer the Asrock/Gunnir designs but they don't have 16GB. I am testing it on my other Linux test machine with an i5-4690k, hopefully with kernel 6.2 and future Mesa drivers it would be a good replacement to be used in my main Linux system (replacing the GTX 1660 Super) for both gaming and encoding.
mesa 22.3 due out next week will have the ray tracing components enabled. So in Archlinux you should be good around the holidays for gaming on your ARC card. Keep in mind you need rebar support which Intel 10th gen and newer supports but not 4th gen. Without that it performs more like a 2060 Super.
I really hope Intel can get their video encoder and decoder working on the Arc with Linux soon. OBS recently added support for Intel's AV1 encoder for recordings on Windows in the latest beta and it's so nice. Plus even though that's not a big deal at this very moment since platforms like Twitch aren't using AV1 yet (And TH-cam for live streams, only HEVC), that still unfortunately means no hardware decoding at all on Linux regardless of codec. Other than that, my experience on Linux has been great especially on Wayland. I'm hearing around that Linux 6.2 is the kernel where Arc will be fully featured which is annoying because I feel like that's quite a ways off since 6.1 is still in its release candidate stage.
Intel's Arc really is what we need right now. Very cheap MSRP's of $300, AV1 encoding (best encoding speeds/quality with any codec) XeSS AI upscaling support (and FSR), Deeplink (bonds IGP+dGPU for faster encoding), 4 video out, ample 8-16GB of VRAM for a budget card, very good performance scaling with higher resolutions. Intel drivers still need some polish, but I own an A770 and Nvidia 3080, and still would happily recommend the A770 or A750 to budget buyers.
I tried for 2 years to get a 3080 10GB at MSRP. Never could. I was waiting for the 4070 Ti here in January but bought the A770 on a whim. I'm not on a budget, but I am actually pretty happy with this. I'm not sure I'm going to bother with Nvidia ever again. May skip that 4070 Ti and make my next upgrade to Battlemage.
my expereince with ny A770 - Linux driver are not very stable - windows overall is pretty good tho, very powerful render and encoding, about 400 to 800fps H265 and AV1 - arc panel is alright its not got many settings, would like fan control and overclocking to come back, latest beta driver doesnt install the arc panel but its not like there is much to change in there. - games are overall good but sometimes random lag or stuttering time to time, using DXVK on windows is usually quite easy to get going and works with most games and you get a nice performance uplift - The intel reference A770 limited edition is surprisingly quiet.
My experience has been the opposite, regarding stability. Arc has been rock solid, with only a few performance oddities or graphical glitches here and there (this compared to the painful glitchfest that was Nvidia). Otherwise the performance numbers you gave have tracked with what I've gotten on Linux.
You too with Arc Control? Thank God I wasn't the only one. Tried contacting Intel support, but they really couldn't help. The only thing that did was a complete reinstall of Win10. Everything else I tried didn't work from reinstalling the drivers, installing an older version, installing the separate exe with and without UAC, cleaning the disk, and a bunch of other mumbo jumbo that reminds me why I didn't use Windows as a daily driver for a long time. It got to the point where I would rather just say screw it and reinstall rather than try and grok at RegEdit like I'm deciding to figure out to cut the red or blue wire. Hopefully that fixes some of the problems I was having in Handbrake, but I doubt it. I wish they had some place where you could submit bugs and stuff to, because good Lord knows that Arc has plenty.
Been using the asrock a380 for a while, the Nov 14th update fixed the last of the oddness. They also just released an unreal engine plug very recently, so I expect Unreal games to start getting updated with it in Jan/Feb. Productivity software will continue to get arc updates. The A380 is entirely usable for casual gaming, frame rates may not support highly competitive play. This Does play Star Citizen (dx11) at 1080 usually around 24-28 fps, dips do occur. Would I recommend Arc series? For a new system, it's OK. For an upgrade? No, there are too many potential issues with compatibility. Only new systems for the last couple years have rebar. If your system is older you are also far more likely to use older games with less supported apis.
DXVK solves the compatability issues and performance for dx9-11 as the games will be translated to the Intel Vulkan driver. RaBar is the real issue, but it is paired with my Intel 12700K processor so I am okay that way.
@@phoenixrising4995 Even ReBar isn't that much of an issue, I've been playing GTA V on an I9-9900k/A750 system lacking ReBar, and it's been a pretty good experience. Sure, it would improve with ReBar, but it's not something to get hung up on if your current system doesn't support it.
Problem with plex is they seem to ignore the media server aspect. I don't recall them working on better support for Ryzen or AMD GPUS. It might be that perhaps I exect something different from the company itself. I assume the top priorities should be hardware support for end users hosting content. I use older genertaion equipment as an example and having baked inn support for these older intel/amd kits like the 1600/1800 and so on is what I expect to see in the patch notes not streaminng stuff. I get that AMD NVidia or whomever might have the best drivers encoders what have you at the given time but that's where Plex steps in IMO.
The A380 is a beast in AV1 transcode from what little I've tested (don't have Plex). I got 250+ FPS going from H264 to AV1. But in Handbrake Nightly at least, something is screwy with the frame timings, so 125 of those frames are skipped and the devs say that it's on Intel to fix it. All I know is that Arc Control borked itself out of existence on my Windows installation and it seems nothing short of a complete reinstall is going to fix that. It's a game of chicken and egg with Arc where devs don't want to waste their time supporting it and Intel is all hands on deck trying to (poorly) unscrew the software side of things. I really don't want to test this out on Linux if the Windows side is this bad.
Trust me, don’t. I bought one and used it for a little over 2 weeks, this GPU is a train wreck. If you use it, prepare for a lot of freezing and crashes. If you play VR, you don’t anymore with the A770
On the mention of CUDA, wonder if Intel will work on getting some AI/ML pipelines working such as XGBoost? Right now I'm looking out for a GPU, but seem to be limited to NVIDIA.
There is Intel oneAPI for compute and deep learning don't know how it compares to nvidia, but is now supported in darktable and has beta support in Resolve.
I think it is time for revisit the Arc a770 16gb. Since your review there has been lot of driver updates that have made a big jump in performance in DX9 games and overall. Also these cards seem to overclock pretty well. So there is lot to talk about.
It struggles in certain titles. I have the intel LE 16 gb version and it is a weird card. While some games it can such as spiderman and witcher it can run smooth with ultra preset and RT on but others like Cyberpunk, COD and other games it struggles to stay above 40 fps. What really sucks is that intel nor MSI overlays work/show FPS counters. Only games that have the counters built into them are the only ones that work
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Good video! Yea Arch seems to be a good way to get AV1 for a lot less money in theory, at least why I want an Arc PRO A50 or a A320 / A380. Also I do run Linux and the DX9 to Vulkan translation making it faster for Linux users then Windows users is also a benefit for me. The problem is that a Arc A380 i sweden is 219 USD, the A750 is 419 USD, the A770 is 499 USD for cards in stock with VAT included. So the problem is that they are well to expensive to make sens, I could just get a used Nvidia card for a lot less, sure would not get AV1 but I could still turn out h264 encodes today at much higher speeds then my RX 5700, and I could free up my 3900XT CPU from doing the encode. I would like to se like a fast AV1 car for 149-199 USD here in sweden, say a A320 or PRO A50 just for encoding and pay just for that, makes more sens. Arc has potential but with a lot of models not in stock or released and the models we can buy costing basically NVIDIA money I dont see the point.
Unfortunately, Intel's Linux driver does not support VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library, which is needed for a smooth experience from DXVK. Hopefully, they will add it soon.
If it makes you feel better in Australia even brand new Nvidia cards are cheaper than the a770, I think the 3070 costs maybe a tiny bit more (not because the 3070 is cheap here, mind, but because the a770 is too expensive)
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@@bosstowndynamics5488 The problem is that reviewers tell us what the cards cost BUT it never seems to add up with reality. I can never find the prices that any big YT claims the cards are selling for. But yea when hardly anyone has them in stock here I guess price competition between retailers is not a thing....
Picked up a limited edition a770 to replace a 6500xt I *borrowed* from my shops bulk stock, figured going 12700t from a 12400f would be a worthwhile investment to pair with it. So far... I think it was a good mix, where it would crash paired with the i5 it's managed to remain *mostly* stable with the I7... though that might be related to recent driver updates. It doesn't seem to like FNV but to be fair New Vegas was built on an engine that was designed to crash.
I wouldnʼt. There _are_ cards that are like 3𝑥 as expensive which support virtualization, but thatʼs mostly artificial market segmentation. For it to be as basic as CPU virtualization, it should be a feature supported in all GPUs, including cheaper ones.
@@jasuko Show me a 1200$ modern GPU with sr-iov that has display outputs, works without enterprise licensing, is supported and I’ll buy it instantly. I’m aware of 0 regardless of pricing.
DirectX to Vulkan for 9/10/11 aka DXVK works perfectly fine on Windows too and it's as simple as dropping a DLL in the folder of games that use those DirectX versions.
does the 16gb card make any difference? I can't find any benchmarks between the 2. Looking at this card and the Acer Predator and don't know which way I should go.
Been over half a year and I have had my A750 since late November too. Still can't play certain games. But it did allow me to play games that my GTX970 struggled with. My CPU is now the bottleneck in a lot of games. And machine learning inference is a mixed bag. It isn't as easy as cuda. They are talking a lot of commitment with their oneAPI stack or even if you just look at openVINO.
Does anyone know where to get Wendell's hoodie/jersey? I looked on their site but didn't find it; I saw it on Amazon, but with only 2.7/5 review score. *EDIT: The hoodie he's wearing at 00:24, "No, I will not fix your computer."
general performance with dxvk / proton on linux? I want to get into the basics of proxmox with nvidia windows and intel linux in parallel and make use of the 12900k that still has avx512 support on it's p cores ( 7:30 ish timestamp, 3070*ish performance maybe maybe sometimes)
My sister who only plays world of warcraft has a one of my old gtx 970s that's dying in her rig right now, a budget card like the a770 could be perfect for her. It doesn't have to run well on every game, just the most popular ones. That said what else could I get for 300 bucks these days? As for what shes going to get, I'm planing on gifting her my old 1080 when I get my hands on a 9700 XTX or equivalent. But if/when that 1080 dies then hopefully she'll be able to pickup some thing around 300 dollars that provides good performance and maybe that's an lintel GPU. It only needs to work for the one game.
I'm glad they're actually fixing drivers. I certainly think they could beat out AMD as a "most improved". But that's mainly because they might've started with further to go. Curious how their price/perf will effect the market. AMD hasn't managed much of a dent despite being usually a price/perf teir ahead of Nvidia in these consumer level GPUs.
It's nice to see Intel making a real effort to get into the GPU market this time. For all the reviews I've seen of the Intel cards, however, I've yet to see any comparison of performance and compatibility when the same card is paired with equivalent Intel and AMD CPU's. Of course I think this is due to the fairly raw and unrefined nature of the drivers for the Intel cards.
RTX4090, lol. Or a 3090Ti if you can still find one cheap (around $1000). Maybe a top end AMD card, or wait for their next gen launch. A770 is intended to be midrange, I5 or R5 territory, or maybe top end from a few generations ago. IMHO, of course.
For your benchmarks please provide exact settings used to get the results you did. I am trying to compare this to the a770 limited edition and the vagueness makes it hard to do so
we need somebody to review the a770 using DXVK on applicable titles, i would love to see the numbers.... my exp even amd and nvidia can often benefit in windows from dxvk.. so yeah... i got a feeling a770 would love dxvk
I bought a A770 16g card for around $300. I have been on vacation and did not open it and contemplating sending it back. Due to battlemag is soon to release. I am wondering if the 16g would not crash in fortnight with more space to load textures? I am not a fan of AMD video cards. I would go for a RTX 4070 super or try for a 4070 ti super. The way I am looking at this I would have to build a IBM computer to get full use of this card.
I ACTUALLY would like to see if someone was able to inject the Linux drivers into SteamOS? Wonder if the DirectX to Vulcan translator would even work in the SteamOS distro, and would love it if it did.
As far as I'm aware Proton, which is Valve's own software and has first class support on SteamOS, happens to be the most advanced DX to Vulkan translation layer already. Intel normally bundles their drivers into the kernel like respectable Linux supporting hardware devs so it may be that a simple kernel update would get this running on SteamOS (depending on a bit of luck and also how hard it is to do upstream kernels on SteamOS)
@@seamon9732 I've been playing a lot of GTA V on my A750, getting similar performance to my RTX2070. Got an A770 supposed to show up today, going to put it in my main gaming rig to try it in a wider variety of games.
You should test with DXVK as Intel's DX11 driver is not fully there yet. It works on Windows and Linux. Effectively you're using DX11 through the Vulkan driver.
It's just a massive crapshoot all around. Just played a bit of Deus Ex: MD in native DX11 and DX12. Going from the former to the latter at high/v.high on an A380 netted me about 10+ FPS at 1080p from 45 to almost 60. It also netted me a psychedelic rush of artifacts that made transparent geometry and some lighting do their best Dark Side of the Moon impersonation. DXVK hasn't really been a big help in most games I've tested/played either, with some like Ravenfield regressing in performance with big dips during benchmarks. Shogun 2 got stuck with blocky tearing shadows with it and lost performance. HL2 didn't care because its from 2004, a potato could run it. The one game it did help in from what I could tell was EUIV, a game that runs fine on iGPUs anyway and chugs anyway because it's made by Paradox and there's nothing you can do to fix their games. Going to try some older weeb games soon and see how broken _those_ are. It should be fun. One post on Twitter I read said it best, these cards are video encoders with gaming GPUs attached to them. The A770 and the rest of the Arc lineup are probably really good cards deep down from the benchmarks I read, but it's going to need so much FineWine that you might just want to go get a pool full of liquor and dive in.
Weird, then again I use Archlinux. Maybe Intel should promote SteamOS on the packaging because I haven't run into all those crazy issues. There have been some games that fail to launch, but that is because DXR Extension/RT components aren't enabled in mesa 22.2 yet but will be in 22.3 and Linux 6.1 will bring full working power management. So it should be stable enough in Archlinux by December and ready for Ubuntu 23.04.
Also what GPU do you suggest for a newer intel machine running a RHEL linux distro w/ desktop, like IDK... Lets say Fedora 37: Workstation Ed w/ the Gnome Desktop? Or even something not RHEL but used by the masses because it offers a good experiance for less techy Linux users, like Ubuntu/Mint?
You have to enable ASPM in your UEFI to get the best power results with this card. NV/AMD have hacks around that requirement for various reasons that largely are no longer relevant, while Arc depends on the standard. I just checked my Arc which isn't in a deep sleep idle, but it is desktop idling essentially now and it's consuming a total of 0.491W right now. I log far less than that if my monitors go to sleep.
Can you test this for AI workloads? Intel claims that their tensor processing hardware is way faster in equivalent circumstances than Nvidia's, and the one single benchmark I've seen by LTT with Topaz Video AI suggested this is true with the a770 seemingly massively outperforming the 3070
Wendell, how is the FP64 performance on the A770? I've heard reports from multiple sources saying it's ~4 Teraflops with others saying that number's bogus. What is going on???
I want the 770 limited edition or their reference card just to have it. I like collecting gpu’s and I really like the way it looks. It seem to do fine in newer games but really struggles in older dx9 & 11 games. The card itself should be performing on a 70 class or 6700xt level if they can get the drivers in check. But now its like 60 class or worse and its really hard to compete with 6000 series amd and their price to performance. Got my 4090 gonna start the upgrade tonight i also bought a cpu and a 1300 watt psu to replace my 750 so its not gonna be a quick install.
It does, but I got to keep telling people to use DXVK instead of Intel DX11 driver for the card. Then your running the game through the much improved Vulkan driver. DXVK supports dx9-11 stuff better than Intel compact driver. No one seems to review Intel ARC on DXVK here.
Has anyone tested performance of the batman arkham games on a 770? The are still pretty popular. I'm doing another run through on arkham city now. Rip conroy.
Guys have one question. I have an Ryzen 5800x with gtx 1080 and would like to upgrade my GPU. Is an Intel arc a770 a good Upgrade for the Money because i dont want to spent 500 Euro or more for an GPu. Prices here in germany with tax and so on are going nuts and the a770 16gb intel edition can be bought for arround 370 Euro. Or do you have an better recommendation. I do not play 4k or 1440P maybe upgrade to 1440P Monitor in the future. Playing Assassiuns Creed, WOW, Battlefield and some like this.
I feel weird. For years, I hoped the AMD and ARM underdogs would swoop in and undercut the Intel/Windows monopoly. Now I am rooting for Intel to interrupt the Nvidia and AMD duopoly on GPUs. Here is to hoping that Intel and AMD can work together to open up or replace CUDA! I like CUDA; I just hate the vendor lock-in.
It wasn't more than a few years ago that people were discussing the merits of AMD GPUs because of their shaky drivers. NVidia's drivers have just been so solid for so long that it sets a pretty high bar. Even so, AMD gradually improved its drivers over the years, to the point where today we just assume that things will Just Work (tm). First gen Arc seems like a great match for an HTPC or secondary rig, with its decent performance, great video decoding support, future-proofed outputs. Once second-gen Arc (Battlemage) comes around, they will presumably have learned from any issues with the hardware the first time around, and will have already have the driver codebase from first-gen to improve upon. Not seeing how consumers do not stand to win out there, especially with how NVidia seems to have gone completely bonkers with pricing and such.
I plan to get one eventually when I upgrade my fiancé’s motherboard and cpu to z690 taichi and 13600k. Then I’m going to take the z390 and 9700k from her old pc and make a streaming/media player for the living room using an arc a770. I could actually see a lot of people doing something similar when they upgrade too.
@@brianmiller1077 Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below. Support for more platforms will be added at a later time. CPU Motherboard 13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors Intel 600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled 11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors 10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors Intel 500 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled Intel 400 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors AMD 600 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors) AMD 500 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled Additional platforms/motherboards with Resizable BAR / Smart Access Memory enabled may also support Intel® Arc™ A-Series graphics. Operating System Requirements Windows® 10 64-bit 20H2 or newer Windows 11* 64-bit Confirm the Operating System is using the GPT partition type: For Windows 11, this mode is configured by default. For Windows 10, the partition type can be converted if installed with a MBR partition type. Refer to the Microsoft Tool & Guide for more information. Motherboard Requirements Full-size PCI Express 3.0 (or newer) x16 slot Resizable (Re-Size) BAR Steps to Enable Resizable BAR: Enter the system’s BIOS/UEFI firmware configuration menu by pressing the DEL key during system start up. This may vary between each system manufacturer, please check with your system manufacturer for specific instructions as necessary. Compatibility Support Module (CSM) or Legacy Mode must be disabled and UEFI boot mode must be Enabled. Ensure the following settings are set to Enabled (or Auto if the Enabled option is not present): Above 4G Decoding Re-Size BAR Support
I wouldn't touch it. Perhaps if they made a 2nd gen. Right now there are rumours that they are canceling the gpu sector. On top of that "maybe" your game in question will work. Over here they are priced the same as a 3060ti. And with so many techtubers getting inconsistent results this is more a "paperweight"-launch rather than just "paper"...
@Level1Techs so on Linux did you manage to avoid graphic corruption if so what kernel and mesa version? also get intel to replace bios with a version that activates SRIOV!!!!! they think consumers can afford arctic sound-m and somehow cool it!!!!!
If the prices weren't so hardcore inflated here in germany it would be so much easier to say yes to intel. But RX 6700XT, RTX 3070ti or Arc A770 all cost araound 430-450€
The question for me is, can the card be passed through without disabling reBAR? Neither AMD nor Nvidia can, and unfortunately the option is either all GPUs, or none of them, so if I need to passthrough, which I do, I’d also be crippling my Intel. Intel should be grasping for every last shred of market share they can get. If they’d had sr-iov I would be an enthusiastic customer immediately, regardless of performance, because the alternative is paying a small fortune for an Nvidia card that only barely works on Linux anyway.
"Intel got the power management correct" - Turns out that statement was wrong. The idle power consumption is one of the biggest issues of the ARC cards. They use up to 400% in webbrowsing/youtube/office work compared to AMD/Nvidia.
I was able to get a backorder placed with both Newegg (an Asrock card) and Amazon (Acer card) a couple weeks ago, both are supposed to show up today. Like a lot of recent hardware launches, gotta keep an eye out, or just get lucky.
The first company that actually listens to you and provides SR-IOV support gets all my money.
These cards basically require ReBAR, and QEMU KVM doesn't really work when that is enabled.
@@origamitom It works here like a charme. I don't know why the people have problems with it. All my company connection go through VMs on my host. Before it was all with different Laptops which was a pain in the ass.
@@NobbeChika my understanding is that ReBAR pass through works with Linux Kernel 6.1 and later. Which version are you using?
@@origamitom Kernel 6.2
I appreciate that you give Asrock products a fair shake. Some other channels do their best to ignore the brand. I happen to really like the Asrock brand.
As far as the A770, I really like the sophisticated styling of the Intel limited edition model. I wish more AIBs would offer cards with styling that is catered towards adults.
And ASRock Rack too. They do some things that I've never seen anyone else do like mini ITX Epyc boards.
Well they have made quite alot of really awful motherboards throughout the years just like Asus has made a huge amount of terrible GPU's, kinda their own fault.
Asrock have a second A770 twin fan model without all the RGB. Same card, more subtle design.
I think that's a good point that if Intel stick with this, they will be a force in the coming years. Because for a first gen product this is actually good. When the drivers get better, and they fix/improve the design I think they will be competing well in the next gen.
Also, if unRAID hurry up and release a version with Linux 6.0 I would like to see how well this works with plex and encoding on Linux.
Last thing I heard from non unRAID users trying the same, there are a few links missing in the chain for Plex and this GPU to do encoding, so you shouldn't be in a hurry to go Linux 6.0 kernel on your unRAID box just yet.
I really like Level1Techs and STH. Guys are awesome. Thanks for the content
I own a A770 16GB and it’s been an interesting experience so far. Borderlands 3 and COD MW2 actually play really well on it, however Crysis 3 remastered crash’s to the desktop constantly. It’s a tinkering card for sure but honestly it’s good fun for people like me 😅. Great video and I hope Intel continues down the consumer gaming GPU path and doesn’t just shift all its focus to data center as some reports suggests.
DXVK can help with DX9-11 stuff as well. I got the limited edition 16GB card that is the Intel Reference Card.
@@phoenixrising4995 thanks for the advice! I’ll give it a look. Same, the Intel LE version. I genuinely think it’s a beautiful design. Feels and looks very high quality.
Make sure you have resizable bar enabled in bios.. you need a cpu and board which supports it though.. it’s crucial for the a770 to perform at its best and any game which has bar support gives a big increase in frames and smoothness. Does require bios update and vbios update too. And the latest driver from Intel 👍
@@BlazedAFGaming Yeah absolutely, the intel driver literally screams at you if you don’t have it enabled 🤣. I’m always running the latest beta drivers too. Crysis 3 remastered simply crashes if you have ray tracing enabled. However I believe it might be fixed now.
Quite appealing to be honest, mid-range is so fun nowadays in terms of price, competition, and performance.
Next build I would probably get one for sff.
I want to see more videos / articles investigating machine learning performance on these cards. Especially with 16GB of RAM, these have a lot of potential on a budget, but do they live up to it?
I like videos like these
The card he showed on this video only comes with 8 gigs of vram. Only the LE intel and the Acer have 16 gigs.
@@_B.C_ yep, but the 16GB models don’t cost much more
@@coder543 ya, $20 more gets you 8 more gigs.
Intel's deep learning stack is probably the weakest of the big 3 GPU vendors, so creating benchmarks might be more trouble than it's worth. One hopes things will improve in the coming months, as they've got a lot of the low-level libraries required.
We've had a A770 limited 16GB for over a month now. Honestly we are more shocked by how trouble free it was. The dire warners were warranted, but Intel are going all out smoothing those drivers out. Some games like Microsoft Flight Sim Maxed and Metro Exodus EE maxed and raytraced; it soundly beats a 3070ti.
I don't really use Windows at home anymore and my gaming needs are light. I would however like a sensibly priced card for Linux. I would like to play same games on Proton eventually, but won't realistically be playing AAA on PC. These cards interest me. I'll see how things look when I do my next build
Intel ANV Vulkan driver is getting its ray tracing support enabled in mesa 22.3 due out next week. It should be in the Archlinux repos around Christmas. Might be a nice toy to have for the holidays for the Linux Fanboys.
I have an A770. Thank you for including the 0.1% lows. At 4k, you should try medium settings. HZD ran fine at 60+fps at 4k on medium settings.
I think it was GN that was saying the a770 seems to have an architectural advantage at higher resolutions - while it can't keep up with the raw performance right now the frame rates fall off slower than other GPUs, it's just that the other cards are starting at higher rates. That is to say, in a couple of generations if Intel doesn't just give up like they did with 3DXpoint they might turn out some really good high res cards eventually. Key word being eventually.
Newegg has this card on sale for $249.99, the same price as the a750 limited edition 😮 I purchase one immediately. Upgrading from an Nvidia 1650 SC and I can't wait 😁
holy shit the acer version looks so cool. It also comes in 16gb variety if I get it correctly. If the price stays low thats a steal. The 16gb is the only reason I got the intel arc (limited edition), no other card comes close to vram at this price point
I wanted to buy the A770 for use on Linux, until I found out that the driver is not feature complete yet. Basically most DX12 games do not work because of that with Proton. So I'm holding out until that Intel has the drivers sorted out, and if it takes too long I'm just going to get some mid-range RDNA3 card instead.
Since it is always good to not have really new hardware I would go for the 6900xt. It is absolutely great with Linux currently actually quite affordable. If you want to spend less of course 6800xt oder 6700xt is also a good option.
Mesa 22.3 will give Intel ARC a working Ray Tracing implementation to the Vulkan driver. Also, it brings a bunch of fixes. If you are on Archlinux then December might be a good time to buy.
@@zebarzebra The RX 6700XT is really tempting, but I would like AV1 encoding and better raytracing performance. So that is why I have not jumped on the RDNA2 cards.
I grabbed a Intel LE model and another 3rd party card (Acer) A770 because I want 16GB, I would prefer the Asrock/Gunnir designs but they don't have 16GB. I am testing it on my other Linux test machine with an i5-4690k, hopefully with kernel 6.2 and future Mesa drivers it would be a good replacement to be used in my main Linux system (replacing the GTX 1660 Super) for both gaming and encoding.
mesa 22.3 due out next week will have the ray tracing components enabled. So in Archlinux you should be good around the holidays for gaming on your ARC card. Keep in mind you need rebar support which Intel 10th gen and newer supports but not 4th gen. Without that it performs more like a 2060 Super.
@@phoenixrising4995 You can enable ReBar on 4th gen mobo as the feature existed since PCIe Gen 3.
I really hope Intel can get their video encoder and decoder working on the Arc with Linux soon. OBS recently added support for Intel's AV1 encoder for recordings on Windows in the latest beta and it's so nice. Plus even though that's not a big deal at this very moment since platforms like Twitch aren't using AV1 yet (And TH-cam for live streams, only HEVC), that still unfortunately means no hardware decoding at all on Linux regardless of codec. Other than that, my experience on Linux has been great especially on Wayland. I'm hearing around that Linux 6.2 is the kernel where Arc will be fully featured which is annoying because I feel like that's quite a ways off since 6.1 is still in its release candidate stage.
Do you know if this has improved since your comment (5 months ago)? Is there hardware encoding now?
Intel's Arc really is what we need right now. Very cheap MSRP's of $300, AV1 encoding (best encoding speeds/quality with any codec) XeSS AI upscaling support (and FSR), Deeplink (bonds IGP+dGPU for faster encoding), 4 video out, ample 8-16GB of VRAM for a budget card, very good performance scaling with higher resolutions. Intel drivers still need some polish, but I own an A770 and Nvidia 3080, and still would happily recommend the A770 or A750 to budget buyers.
I tried for 2 years to get a 3080 10GB at MSRP. Never could. I was waiting for the 4070 Ti here in January but bought the A770 on a whim. I'm not on a budget, but I am actually pretty happy with this. I'm not sure I'm going to bother with Nvidia ever again. May skip that 4070 Ti and make my next upgrade to Battlemage.
my expereince with ny A770
- Linux driver are not very stable
- windows overall is pretty good tho, very powerful render and encoding, about 400 to 800fps H265 and AV1
- arc panel is alright its not got many settings, would like fan control and overclocking to come back, latest beta driver doesnt install the arc panel but its not like there is much to change in there.
- games are overall good but sometimes random lag or stuttering time to time, using DXVK on windows is usually quite easy to get going and works with most games and you get a nice performance uplift
- The intel reference A770 limited edition is surprisingly quiet.
My experience has been the opposite, regarding stability. Arc has been rock solid, with only a few performance oddities or graphical glitches here and there (this compared to the painful glitchfest that was Nvidia). Otherwise the performance numbers you gave have tracked with what I've gotten on Linux.
You too with Arc Control? Thank God I wasn't the only one. Tried contacting Intel support, but they really couldn't help. The only thing that did was a complete reinstall of Win10. Everything else I tried didn't work from reinstalling the drivers, installing an older version, installing the separate exe with and without UAC, cleaning the disk, and a bunch of other mumbo jumbo that reminds me why I didn't use Windows as a daily driver for a long time. It got to the point where I would rather just say screw it and reinstall rather than try and grok at RegEdit like I'm deciding to figure out to cut the red or blue wire. Hopefully that fixes some of the problems I was having in Handbrake, but I doubt it.
I wish they had some place where you could submit bugs and stuff to, because good Lord knows that Arc has plenty.
I love your Pentium pro chip in the background!
Been using the asrock a380 for a while, the Nov 14th update fixed the last of the oddness. They also just released an unreal engine plug very recently, so I expect Unreal games to start getting updated with it in Jan/Feb. Productivity software will continue to get arc updates.
The A380 is entirely usable for casual gaming, frame rates may not support highly competitive play. This Does play Star Citizen (dx11) at 1080 usually around 24-28 fps, dips do occur.
Would I recommend Arc series? For a new system, it's OK. For an upgrade? No, there are too many potential issues with compatibility. Only new systems for the last couple years have rebar. If your system is older you are also far more likely to use older games with less supported apis.
DXVK solves the compatability issues and performance for dx9-11 as the games will be translated to the Intel Vulkan driver. RaBar is the real issue, but it is paired with my Intel 12700K processor so I am okay that way.
@@phoenixrising4995 Even ReBar isn't that much of an issue, I've been playing GTA V on an I9-9900k/A750 system lacking ReBar, and it's been a pretty good experience. Sure, it would improve with ReBar, but it's not something to get hung up on if your current system doesn't support it.
Would like to see a video of how well the A380 does with transcoding in something like a plex server
Problem with plex is they seem to ignore the media server aspect. I don't recall them working on better support for Ryzen or AMD GPUS. It might be that perhaps I exect something different from the company itself. I assume the top priorities should be hardware support for end users hosting content. I use older genertaion equipment as an example and having baked inn support for these older intel/amd kits like the 1600/1800 and so on is what I expect to see in the patch notes not streaminng stuff. I get that AMD NVidia or whomever might have the best drivers encoders what have you at the given time but that's where Plex steps in IMO.
The A380 is a beast in AV1 transcode from what little I've tested (don't have Plex). I got 250+ FPS going from H264 to AV1. But in Handbrake Nightly at least, something is screwy with the frame timings, so 125 of those frames are skipped and the devs say that it's on Intel to fix it. All I know is that Arc Control borked itself out of existence on my Windows installation and it seems nothing short of a complete reinstall is going to fix that. It's a game of chicken and egg with Arc where devs don't want to waste their time supporting it and Intel is all hands on deck trying to (poorly) unscrew the software side of things. I really don't want to test this out on Linux if the Windows side is this bad.
A380 has the same encoder as the A750 and A770. So you still get the best encoder in the industry, even with their entry GPU offering
@@__aceofspades so you're saying this will the new Quadro p2000 for moderate Plex servers
Rockin the classic Thinkgeek sweater. Ive had mine since 2006 lmao
Still love the intro music that goes into the show. Reminds me of contraption zack, old dos game.
As a 1440p UW user, these cards are very compelling
Trust me, don’t. I bought one and used it for a little over 2 weeks, this GPU is a train wreck.
If you use it, prepare for a lot of freezing and crashes. If you play VR, you don’t anymore with the A770
I bought a 3080 when I switched to 1440p ultrawide. Do love it. If this card can even get close it's a good deal.
I have a 6750xt myself, its not exactly 144fps while maxed in everything but VR is good and 1440p Wide will p much always be >60fps
I have a 6700xt that I stopped using to try the A770. It plays 4K 120hz in the game that I play with lowered settings
Seems like a weak card for 1440p UW. More suited for regular 1440p.
No SR-IOV? That was all I was hoping for… What a missed opportunity.
On the mention of CUDA, wonder if Intel will work on getting some AI/ML pipelines working such as XGBoost? Right now I'm looking out for a GPU, but seem to be limited to NVIDIA.
There is Intel oneAPI for compute and deep learning don't know how it compares to nvidia, but is now supported in darktable and has beta support in Resolve.
Really want to see some Linux tests with this card
I think it is time for revisit the Arc a770 16gb. Since your review there has been lot of driver updates that have made a big jump in performance in DX9 games and overall. Also these cards seem to overclock pretty well. So there is lot to talk about.
For me integer scaling and v-sync driver options wasn't working, did you notice similar?
Would have liked to see how the 4K performance was with the 16 GB version.
It struggles in certain titles. I have the intel LE 16 gb version and it is a weird card. While some games it can such as spiderman and witcher it can run smooth with ultra preset and RT on but others like Cyberpunk, COD and other games it struggles to stay above 40 fps. What really sucks is that intel nor MSI overlays work/show FPS counters. Only games that have the counters built into them are the only ones that work
Good video!
Yea Arch seems to be a good way to get AV1 for a lot less money in theory, at least why I want an Arc PRO A50 or a A320 / A380.
Also I do run Linux and the DX9 to Vulkan translation making it faster for Linux users then Windows users is also a benefit for me.
The problem is that a Arc A380 i sweden is 219 USD, the A750 is 419 USD, the A770 is 499 USD for cards in stock with VAT included.
So the problem is that they are well to expensive to make sens, I could just get a used Nvidia card for a lot less, sure would not get AV1 but I could still turn out h264 encodes today at much higher speeds then my RX 5700, and I could free up my 3900XT CPU from doing the encode.
I would like to se like a fast AV1 car for 149-199 USD here in sweden, say a A320 or PRO A50 just for encoding and pay just for that, makes more sens.
Arc has potential but with a lot of models not in stock or released and the models we can buy costing basically NVIDIA money I dont see the point.
Unfortunately, Intel's Linux driver does not support VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library, which is needed for a smooth experience from DXVK. Hopefully, they will add it soon.
If it makes you feel better in Australia even brand new Nvidia cards are cheaper than the a770, I think the 3070 costs maybe a tiny bit more (not because the 3070 is cheap here, mind, but because the a770 is too expensive)
@@bosstowndynamics5488 The problem is that reviewers tell us what the cards cost BUT it never seems to add up with reality. I can never find the prices that any big YT claims the cards are selling for.
But yea when hardly anyone has them in stock here I guess price competition between retailers is not a thing....
Picked up a limited edition a770 to replace a 6500xt I *borrowed* from my shops bulk stock, figured going 12700t from a 12400f would be a worthwhile investment to pair with it. So far... I think it was a good mix, where it would crash paired with the i5 it's managed to remain *mostly* stable with the I7... though that might be related to recent driver updates.
It doesn't seem to like FNV but to be fair New Vegas was built on an engine that was designed to crash.
I’d pay 3x the price for sr-iov, its insane how it’s not as basic as cpu virtualisation by now..
I wouldnʼt. There _are_ cards that are like 3𝑥 as expensive which support virtualization, but thatʼs mostly artificial market segmentation. For it to be as basic as CPU virtualization, it should be a feature supported in all GPUs, including cheaper ones.
@@jasuko Show me a 1200$ modern GPU with sr-iov that has display outputs, works without enterprise licensing, is supported and I’ll buy it instantly. I’m aware of 0 regardless of pricing.
At 3x the price just buy 3 GPUs, dividing a consumer GPU any further than that isn't really worthwhile
@@owlmostdead9492 Why does it need display outputs? There's plenty of ways of getting video out of a VM without direct physical output these days
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Yes, at unusable latency
6:33 There is no special support but it still works for passing through to one virtual machine right? No weird bugs? EG: AMD Vega hardware reset bug?
FINALLY!
I feel like I haven't seen wendell n years!
DirectX to Vulkan for 9/10/11 aka DXVK works perfectly fine on Windows too and it's as simple as dropping a DLL in the folder of games that use those DirectX versions.
does the 16gb card make any difference? I can't find any benchmarks between the 2. Looking at this card and the Acer Predator and don't know which way I should go.
These things are such a gamble, quite exciting really.
Been over half a year and I have had my A750 since late November too.
Still can't play certain games. But it did allow me to play games that my GTX970 struggled with. My CPU is now the bottleneck in a lot of games.
And machine learning inference is a mixed bag. It isn't as easy as cuda. They are talking a lot of commitment with their oneAPI stack or even if you just look at openVINO.
Thanks Intel, very cool!
“9 women can’t birth a baby in a month.” How have I Never Heard this one before? XD
Is it possible to use all 4 ports for 4 4k 60hz monitors simultaneously?
id be really interested in some testing of raptor lake on linux.
Does anyone know where to get Wendell's hoodie/jersey? I looked on their site but didn't find it; I saw it on Amazon, but with only 2.7/5 review score.
*EDIT: The hoodie he's wearing at 00:24, "No, I will not fix your computer."
general performance with dxvk / proton on linux? I want to get into the basics of proxmox with nvidia windows and intel linux in parallel and make use of the 12900k that still has avx512 support on it's p cores ( 7:30 ish timestamp, 3070*ish performance maybe maybe sometimes)
7:45 They should somehow include DXVK in their drivers
My sister who only plays world of warcraft has a one of my old gtx 970s that's dying in her rig right now, a budget card like the a770 could be perfect for her. It doesn't have to run well on every game, just the most popular ones. That said what else could I get for 300 bucks these days?
As for what shes going to get, I'm planing on gifting her my old 1080 when I get my hands on a 9700 XTX or equivalent. But if/when that 1080 dies then hopefully she'll be able to pickup some thing around 300 dollars that provides good performance and maybe that's an lintel GPU. It only needs to work for the one game.
I'm glad they're actually fixing drivers. I certainly think they could beat out AMD as a "most improved". But that's mainly because they might've started with further to go. Curious how their price/perf will effect the market. AMD hasn't managed much of a dent despite being usually a price/perf teir ahead of Nvidia in these consumer level GPUs.
It's nice to see Intel making a real effort to get into the GPU market this time. For all the reviews I've seen of the Intel cards, however, I've yet to see any comparison of performance and compatibility when the same card is paired with equivalent Intel and AMD CPU's. Of course I think this is due to the fairly raw and unrefined nature of the drivers for the Intel cards.
Does HDMI audio function on the Arc GPUs within Linux?
Is this card specific to intel systems only?
Where are you seeing Linux driver updates? I haven't seen updates since the first install and KDE/Plasma does weird psychedelic colors.
So then which GPU do you suggest for the 13900K, and would the A770 be a under-powered choice for a 13700K or 12900K???
I got Intel 12700K which has rebar and Intel deeplink stuff so I'm good.
RTX4090, lol. Or a 3090Ti if you can still find one cheap (around $1000). Maybe a top end AMD card, or wait for their next gen launch.
A770 is intended to be midrange, I5 or R5 territory, or maybe top end from a few generations ago. IMHO, of course.
@@phoenixrising4995 have you used the deep link stuff? how is it?
For your benchmarks please provide exact settings used to get the results you did. I am trying to compare this to the a770 limited edition and the vagueness makes it hard to do so
we need somebody to review the a770 using DXVK on applicable titles, i would love to see the numbers.... my exp even amd and nvidia can often benefit in windows from dxvk.. so yeah... i got a feeling a770 would love dxvk
Oi, mate
What about the cooling on the card? Temperature/RPM for what power consumption? What is PL for overclocking in ARC driver?
I bought a A770 16g card for around $300. I have been on vacation and did not open it and contemplating sending it back. Due to battlemag is soon to release. I am wondering if the 16g would not crash in fortnight with more space to load textures? I am not a fan of AMD video cards. I would go for a RTX 4070 super or try for a 4070 ti super. The way I am looking at this I would have to build a IBM computer to get full use of this card.
When are you gonna show DXVK performance (on windows)?
Looking forward to these cards, but not for the GPU part.
Personally I want that low profile A40 for those fancy FFUs.
I ACTUALLY would like to see if someone was able to inject the Linux drivers into SteamOS? Wonder if the DirectX to Vulcan translator would even work in the SteamOS distro, and would love it if it did.
As far as I'm aware Proton, which is Valve's own software and has first class support on SteamOS, happens to be the most advanced DX to Vulkan translation layer already. Intel normally bundles their drivers into the kernel like respectable Linux supporting hardware devs so it may be that a simple kernel update would get this running on SteamOS (depending on a bit of luck and also how hard it is to do upstream kernels on SteamOS)
It was still getting roughly same scores as my old 3070 was getting in 3d mark which makes it a good gpu for Intel's first go I'd say.
Except that in actual games it performs more in-between a 3060 and 3060ti, and in a lot of older games it performs worse than a RX480...
@@seamon9732 I've been playing a lot of GTA V on my A750, getting similar performance to my RTX2070. Got an A770 supposed to show up today, going to put it in my main gaming rig to try it in a wider variety of games.
What is the performance on RIFE? and other AI stuff?
Has your intro theme always had the lick??
Arc should be 100 percent donated to people who have no pc
You should test with DXVK as Intel's DX11 driver is not fully there yet. It works on Windows and Linux. Effectively you're using DX11 through the Vulkan driver.
It's just a massive crapshoot all around. Just played a bit of Deus Ex: MD in native DX11 and DX12. Going from the former to the latter at high/v.high on an A380 netted me about 10+ FPS at 1080p from 45 to almost 60. It also netted me a psychedelic rush of artifacts that made transparent geometry and some lighting do their best Dark Side of the Moon impersonation. DXVK hasn't really been a big help in most games I've tested/played either, with some like Ravenfield regressing in performance with big dips during benchmarks. Shogun 2 got stuck with blocky tearing shadows with it and lost performance. HL2 didn't care because its from 2004, a potato could run it. The one game it did help in from what I could tell was EUIV, a game that runs fine on iGPUs anyway and chugs anyway because it's made by Paradox and there's nothing you can do to fix their games. Going to try some older weeb games soon and see how broken _those_ are. It should be fun.
One post on Twitter I read said it best, these cards are video encoders with gaming GPUs attached to them. The A770 and the rest of the Arc lineup are probably really good cards deep down from the benchmarks I read, but it's going to need so much FineWine that you might just want to go get a pool full of liquor and dive in.
Weird, then again I use Archlinux. Maybe Intel should promote SteamOS on the packaging because I haven't run into all those crazy issues. There have been some games that fail to launch, but that is because DXR Extension/RT components aren't enabled in mesa 22.2 yet but will be in 22.3 and Linux 6.1 will bring full working power management. So it should be stable enough in Archlinux by December and ready for Ubuntu 23.04.
What is the power consumption of the card like?
Also what GPU do you suggest for a newer intel machine running a RHEL linux distro w/ desktop, like IDK... Lets say Fedora 37: Workstation Ed w/ the Gnome Desktop? Or even something not RHEL but used by the masses because it offers a good experiance for less techy Linux users, like Ubuntu/Mint?
I would say RX6900XT is a better choice. If you are running Archlinux Intel ARC a770 will be really good come December.
DXVK was the first thing I thought of when I saw these GPUs.
What's the idle power draw like? One of the reviews of the Intel made A770 shortly after launch turned me off of the card.
You have to enable ASPM in your UEFI to get the best power results with this card. NV/AMD have hacks around that requirement for various reasons that largely are no longer relevant, while Arc depends on the standard. I just checked my Arc which isn't in a deep sleep idle, but it is desktop idling essentially now and it's consuming a total of 0.491W right now. I log far less than that if my monitors go to sleep.
I would love to try the A770, but it's a big gamble.
big gamble when its 350?
Can you test this for AI workloads? Intel claims that their tensor processing hardware is way faster in equivalent circumstances than Nvidia's, and the one single benchmark I've seen by LTT with Topaz Video AI suggested this is true with the a770 seemingly massively outperforming the 3070
How runs dgVoodoo2? Does it help with old DX9 titles?
Got the 16GB version of the 770. 4096 ALU's. Sounds like VEGA64 with its 4096 SP's.
Wendell, how is the FP64 performance on the A770? I've heard reports from multiple sources saying it's ~4 Teraflops with others saying that number's bogus. What is going on???
12400 arc a770 16gigs great power efficient when u under bolt the arc
I want the 770 limited edition or their reference card just to have it. I like collecting gpu’s and I really like the way it looks. It seem to do fine in newer games but really struggles in older dx9 & 11 games. The card itself should be performing on a 70 class or 6700xt level if they can get the drivers in check. But now its like 60 class or worse and its really hard to compete with 6000 series amd and their price to performance. Got my 4090 gonna start the upgrade tonight i also bought a cpu and a 1300 watt psu to replace my 750 so its not gonna be a quick install.
It does, but I got to keep telling people to use DXVK instead of Intel DX11 driver for the card. Then your running the game through the much improved Vulkan driver. DXVK supports dx9-11 stuff better than Intel compact driver. No one seems to review Intel ARC on DXVK here.
Has anyone tested performance of the batman arkham games on a 770? The are still pretty popular. I'm doing another run through on arkham city now. Rip conroy.
Wendell, I need that hoodie. Will it end up in the LV1Tech store?
I would like to see a linux review of the card performance with steam os or mirrored arch linux setup.
Guys have one question. I have an Ryzen 5800x with gtx 1080 and would like to upgrade my GPU. Is an Intel arc a770 a good Upgrade for the Money because i dont want to spent 500 Euro or more for an GPu. Prices here in germany with tax and so on are going nuts and the a770 16gb intel edition can be bought for arround 370 Euro. Or do you have an better recommendation. I do not play 4k or 1440P maybe upgrade to 1440P Monitor in the future. Playing Assassiuns Creed, WOW, Battlefield and some like this.
I feel weird. For years, I hoped the AMD and ARM underdogs would swoop in and undercut the Intel/Windows monopoly. Now I am rooting for Intel to interrupt the Nvidia and AMD duopoly on GPUs.
Here is to hoping that Intel and AMD can work together to open up or replace CUDA! I like CUDA; I just hate the vendor lock-in.
It wasn't more than a few years ago that people were discussing the merits of AMD GPUs because of their shaky drivers. NVidia's drivers have just been so solid for so long that it sets a pretty high bar. Even so, AMD gradually improved its drivers over the years, to the point where today we just assume that things will Just Work (tm).
First gen Arc seems like a great match for an HTPC or secondary rig, with its decent performance, great video decoding support, future-proofed outputs. Once second-gen Arc (Battlemage) comes around, they will presumably have learned from any issues with the hardware the first time around, and will have already have the driver codebase from first-gen to improve upon. Not seeing how consumers do not stand to win out there, especially with how NVidia seems to have gone completely bonkers with pricing and such.
I plan to get one eventually when I upgrade my fiancé’s motherboard and cpu to z690 taichi and 13600k. Then I’m going to take the z390 and 9700k from her old pc and make a streaming/media player for the living room using an arc a770. I could actually see a lot of people doing something similar when they upgrade too.
Has anyone bothered to check to see how well these intel cards work on older platforms?
@@brianmiller1077 Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory must be enabled for optimal performance in all applications using Intel® Arc™ A-Series Graphics. Platforms supported are listed below. Support for more platforms will be added at a later time.
CPU Motherboard
13th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
Intel 700/600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
Intel 600 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
11th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
10th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors
Intel 500 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
Intel 400 Series motherboard with Resizable BAR support enabled
AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series Processors
AMD 600 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled
AMD Ryzen™ 5000 Series Processors
Most AMD Ryzen™ 3000 series Processors (excludes AMD 3000G-series Processors)
AMD 500 Series motherboard with Smart Access Memory enabled
Additional platforms/motherboards with Resizable BAR / Smart Access Memory enabled may also support Intel® Arc™ A-Series graphics.
Operating System Requirements
Windows® 10 64-bit 20H2 or newer
Windows 11* 64-bit
Confirm the Operating System is using the GPT partition type:
For Windows 11, this mode is configured by default.
For Windows 10, the partition type can be converted if installed with a MBR partition type.
Refer to the Microsoft Tool & Guide for more information.
Motherboard Requirements
Full-size PCI Express 3.0 (or newer) x16 slot
Resizable (Re-Size) BAR
Steps to Enable Resizable BAR:
Enter the system’s BIOS/UEFI firmware configuration menu by pressing the DEL key during system start up. This may vary between each system manufacturer, please check with your system manufacturer for specific instructions as necessary.
Compatibility Support Module (CSM) or Legacy Mode must be disabled and UEFI boot mode must be Enabled.
Ensure the following settings are set to Enabled (or Auto if the Enabled option is not present):
Above 4G Decoding
Re-Size BAR Support
DXVK works on Windows too
I wouldn't touch it. Perhaps if they made a 2nd gen. Right now there are rumours that they are canceling the gpu sector. On top of that "maybe" your game in question will work. Over here they are priced the same as a 3060ti. And with so many techtubers getting inconsistent results this is more a "paperweight"-launch rather than just "paper"...
How are the drivers?
It's weird, but honestly I'm way more interested in the a380. I wanna see what those hardware encoders can do on the low end.
@Level1Techs so on Linux did you manage to avoid graphic corruption if so what kernel and mesa version? also get intel to replace bios with a version that activates SRIOV!!!!! they think consumers can afford arctic sound-m and somehow cool it!!!!!
If the prices weren't so hardcore inflated here in germany it would be so much easier to say yes to intel. But RX 6700XT, RTX 3070ti or Arc A770 all cost araound 430-450€
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The question for me is, can the card be passed through without disabling reBAR? Neither AMD nor Nvidia can, and unfortunately the option is either all GPUs, or none of them, so if I need to passthrough, which I do, I’d also be crippling my Intel.
Intel should be grasping for every last shred of market share they can get. If they’d had sr-iov I would be an enthusiastic customer immediately, regardless of performance, because the alternative is paying a small fortune for an Nvidia card that only barely works on Linux anyway.
But how are their compute features (OpenCL, SYCL...) on Linux? (Baremetal, none of this virtual business.)
Great Video
@Level1Linux, Can you do a review on Linux? Please?
"Intel got the power management correct" - Turns out that statement was wrong. The idle power consumption is one of the biggest issues of the ARC cards. They use up to 400% in webbrowsing/youtube/office work compared to AMD/Nvidia.
My amd card idles at almost 100w because my refresh rate is 120hz.... I love it to death but power management is not a hill to die on here
without those ME features, I have no reason to choose this over amd/nvidia
great video, on the side you have LTT just crying on how bad this gpu is and how they are just having every issue under the sun.
Hey buddy can i run older games specially fighting games such as mortal kombat 11,Tekken,Stuff like that at 4k 60 hz? THANKS!
There aren’t any Linux videos of this card yet…
These things are darn hard to get hold of or even find.
I was able to get a backorder placed with both Newegg (an Asrock card) and Amazon (Acer card) a couple weeks ago, both are supposed to show up today. Like a lot of recent hardware launches, gotta keep an eye out, or just get lucky.
@@toymachine2328 They are fascinating to me, these thing-their quirks and funny little performance changes.