Thats more a working class issue, to have better work conditions and rights for waiters, why make it a gender one. If a waitress seems unhappy because the us seems to have a really messed up service industry, and probably happy to work regardless.
Oh.She didn’t even address the “nonconsensual” part. Her point was that sex outside of marriage leaves us ALL broken. Dang that’s backwards in sooo many ways.
Oh dude, my father and stepmother took me in from my mother partway through childhood. When I told them I was molested, they took me to a doctor to make sure my hymen was intact. (More trauma is totally what was needed.) When they were told it was, they said "well, at least it wasn't THAT bad. God can make you clean again. Everyone is damaged in some way, by sin." Took until my 30s to start really getting help. And before someone thinks it was some religious "doctor" that did the examination, it was a military pediatrician. This was far more prevalent behavior, even outside religion and the church, than people realize.
'Traditionally' there's no way a woman would be allowed to have a youtube channel, write books, and I seriously doubt they'd be allowed to preach the Bible to people. The hypocrisy is so thick with these types of youtubers. They criticize career women while building a career for themselves as influencers and seeking accomplishments outside of the home. Blows my mind.. I guess they're the only ones who get to have the life they want in their world order.
It's always been the irony of anti-feminists, going back at least to Phyllis Schlafly, who literally toured the USA from sea to shining sea many times over to preach that a woman's place is in the home... If she had practiced what she preached, she would have... Gone home.
Fun fact, women historically have been allowed to preach, however whenever they gained recognition or followers it would then be stopped. Women would experience divine visions from Christ in the mid-Middle Ages, this was part of how they gained recognition and saint hood in the Roman Catholic Church, obviously that was banned- as an example.
Extra fun fact, women’s visions weren’t taken seriously but there is literally a saint because he had a dream of the Virgin Mary lactating on his face 👍🏻
(in my opinion) it's like getting in the way of an autistic person having a panic attack and forcing them into a corner, like bruh, can't we just make a more accommodating society for everybody (I'm autistic, btw).
Ironic how they said Marilyn went wrong by allowing society define who she is when the whole purpose for their channel is imposing their concept of womanhood on others.
Their smugness is what gets me. They victim blame a woman that was abused literally from childhood to beyond the grave, and claim the moral high ground. Disgusting.
I can hear my mother's generation screaming in my head every time I hear their voices. A couple women in their mid 20s decided they just know better than all the women who fought for the world they take for granted... ugh I hate to be that person who plays the age card. Feeling old and crabby today
I'm a teen and I agree! The way they keep slighting women's fight for choice is just horribly disrespectful. It's genuinely sad that they don't get that women deserve to be whoever they wish and that spirituality doesn't always mean following a guideline/particular religion.
Yeah although I agree that 3rd an 4th wave feminism is too much, but that doesn't mean they should disregard the whole feminism movement. There was a reason it came. If everything was so perfect, feminism wouldn't have ever started.
@@langying religious backlash to feminism is a long-standing thing. Focus on the family, which is a powerful anti-woman/anti-lgbt hate group and propaganda mill started as a direct result of 2nd wave feminism. Same thing with the moral majority started by Jerry Falwell. Fundamentalists have a powerful way to control people and they're not going to just relinquish that.
@@Enraged-vu2vb no. It’s already about men in the world today. There is still gender inequality today. Open your fucking eyes and listen to women’s problems, my guy.
If anything, their book shows why we still need feminism. Women are objectified and sexualized from a very young age, we're pressured to fit into one mold of femininity and made to feel ugly if we don't, and predators frequently target young women with specific traits in order to abuse and traffic them. The solution to these problems isn't further repression of women, it's liberation and freedom to be who you want to be. We need to educate ourselves as a society and learn to respect women as individuals. We need to challenge gender roles and sexism when we see it in the world, and when we see those tendencies in ourselves. Let's make a world where little girls can feel safe to be themselves and free to express their individuality.
I’m honestly curious why they think so many woman are abandoning these Christian values and living their life by standards that make them happy. Like, the lack of their understanding that women living their own lives can make their lives so much happier and better.
They probably think it's the devil tempting them or something like that. I can't imagine that they could come to the conclusion that women are making independent decisions as individuals.
Also *gasp* the idea that maybe men edited God's word and that perhaps They had a different design for women as equals. I don't believe in God but my (catholic) family believed that the Bible is imperfect because it's only an interpretation of God and not of who They actually are. Like, in the Torah God's pronouns are We, They, She, and He, and then the Christian bible turned it all male so like... Kristin and Bethany are putting full faith in a book that is mistranslated and altered.
“Because... because.... Ms. Guthrie ya gonna have to get down and pray for forgiveness and hopefully get that liberal demon out..!” Viola- who now remembers the previous topic mhmm
Their bit about Marlyn really bothered me especially because I was sexually assaulted as a kid and am coming to terms with my disgust for sex lol. A lot of her diary looks like my own. Then they go and strip her and people like her of their womanhood, their sanity. Blaming them for not being able to get mental health help for their trauma so they turn to addiction as a coping mechanism. Lots of abuse victims can’t afford or can’t find therapy, like me. I was a Christian child when I was abused, me being Christian NEVER stopped it. Are they saying I wasn’t Christian enough and that’s why I’m “sexually broken?” I’m FURIOUS. These sisters are disgustingly cruel.
I once saw a thing on Facebook saying that she died because she rejected Jesus. I also very brainwashed back then (I was an impressionable 13yr old) but now (at 21) I have long lost all the beliefs I've had and have since decided that god isn't for me. I know that wasn't why she died but me, at 13, really believed it and it took me LONG time to not believe it.
Lol throwback to when I was in a christian cult and at 9 years old the sunday school teacher told our whole class of girls - "your body is a present your husband will unwrap on your wedding day" in the same lesson we "learned" not to talk or giggle too loudly
i hear that all the time but with the hijab. my family says its to cover my body and hair to simply protect my beauty under the eyes of men other than my future husband. save me 🙃🙃
"quiet friends turn into raunchy party animals." That almost sounds envious to me. It also says to me that the kids were quiet when they were younger because they weren't allowed to be anything else, not because it was what they naturally were.
"Obviously I don't know anything about modeling, I mean, look at me" *Is a super pretty woman who's amazing at makeup and looks better than my 3/10 self could ever dream of* Mmhmm mmhmm... what
There's her video where she talks about Akhenaten (a really interesting video, would recommend) where she's just like amazing looking and I'm like, "sure, you don't know anything about modeling, uh huh, sure sure"
It’s already so bizarre when people say that women shouldn’t have independence and whatnot, but it’s a whole other level of bizarre when it’s coming FROM women
Since when did being so judgemental become a "good Christian trait"? I know it has been like this for a long time, but I have a feeling Jesus would disapprove
Exactly. Aren’t they the ones that say that only God can judge in the end. Then why are they acting like god and deciding who is and isn’t going to hell? Lol can’t exactly have a conversation with a “Christian” without a good dose of hypocrisy.
i have read the bible and from what i remember, Jesus spent more time criticizing the self-righteous than he did condemning sinners. it's weird how some christians forget those verses
jesus was known to befriend the outcasts in society like sick people and prostitutes and corrupt tax collectors. he would hate the modern christianity because he was very against judging other people
Yeah, no, being asked to come live with a couple so that they can help advance your modeling career is not normal in the US. That's SOOOOOO shady. Sounds like she was recruiting for sex cult.
I get your point haha but I’d say it’s four important Fs. I’d add Family into that. Or I’d switch out Friends for Family cause friends can be included in family 😙
@@edvh88 if you follow their logic, it absolutely qualifies as codependency. What they believe is they need God to tell them who they are and God needs them to be what they’re told to be. It’s the emphasis on “need” and the reliance on the other party. If you’re a believer in God then you understand that God doesn’t “need” anything because God simply is. It’s us who project “need” onto God. (Just to clarify, these are my beliefs and I only speak for myself and my perspective. It’s not my intention to speak for others or project my belief onto others).
@@curstinmichelle technically it would be dependency whether they were both dependent or not, my understanding is that codependency is related to addiction?
@@honningbie2724 yes, codependency in relation to addiction is how it can be most obviously displayed and is most commonly known and I also understand that codependency can show itself in relationships where there isnt substance abuse. the addiction can be the other person, how they make you feel or what the relationship provides to one or more partners.
@@galek75 I don’t, I just don’t see how a conversation where we both whine „no I‘m right!“ like five year olds at each other as a productive conversation
The get SO CLOSE sometimes! Like that line "The only hope we have as women is to stop defining ourselves according to other's people's standards (...)" That part is good. Something you might hear or see at a feminist event even. I agree with that part. But then they go with "(...) and start defining it according to God's Word." and they ruin it. Whyyy!
Yes, exactly. If that's what makes them happy it's great but they chose this, so they kinda went and defined themselves and now they're replacing the impossible to reach beauty standards with impossible to reach standards of purity and biblical womanhood...
I'm a Christian and I've always wanted to write a book about faith and such, and I am learning SO much on how to not write a Christian book because you make a lot of good points. I would never want to write a book that tears down other people or even tear other Christians, which I feel like this book does so it's very disappointing...
They sound like people who watch their friends grow up and become independent and discover themselves, and since they never got to do that, they’re now bitterly judging others for it and think they are superior for remaining “pure” when they really just reek of repression. And they hide it all behind a mask of religion.
Exactly! They're so baffled that others grow out these specific beliefs and are finding their own ways to live because they (K and B) have been taught that following the rules and remaining childlike in their faith and thinking equals goodness. And as they've never stepped outside the bounds of their strict religious preachings, they have to believe that anyone who doesn't abide by their rules must be miserable. If they were to even entertain the idea that other ways of living can be just as fulfilling, if not happier than theirs, they would be admitting to themselves that they have based their entire lives on a lie. I think the most disgusting lie they've been fed and that they are spreading is that doing your own thinking and making your own choices = misery and being controlled (by satan, society etc.), and that following the rules without question/with child-like faith = good, freedom. They call freedom delusion and sell oppression with a smile. When you're so brainwashed that you think of your shackles as comforting hugs of security... how do you get out of that?
I remember their names like this: kristin is the one who still looks and acts like the condescending mean girl in high school, Bethany is the one who seems a little unhinged, like she would get uncomfortably close in a conversation while holding a sharp knife for hopefully unrelated reasons
I never understand (as a guy) what is attractive in a non-independant girl ? I am with a relationship and I don't want my girlfriend live to just be about me. I want her to be herself and do what she want. Yes, I want to have project with her, but I want her to have equal part in it. We are partners, not a master and his slave.
The power, there are men that feel themselves as providers if they pay for everything. They want a woman that follows his lifestyle. Basically the exchange is women's independance for security and economical stability
Please make a video about how Marilyn Monroe might have been an asexual lesbian, this is something i've never heard about before and would love to know more
I can totally see that, especially with the stars she was super close to. In fact you could totally make a series out of how LGBT stars in Hollywood navigated their careers. Rock Hudson, Paul Newman, James Dean, and Eartha Kitt would be prime examples along with Marilyn Monroe.
God that guy who says "I like a woman who is content with God's place for her" made my skin crawl with how creepy that line sounds. Can't believe these people think a book written 2000 years ago is in any way equipped to be a moral guide for our modern society! No wonder we're regressing culturally...
A lot of what these types of channels preach is wrong. I highly suggest reading the Bible yourself (start with the book of Luke!) so you can see that a lot of what these people demand didn't come from the Bible 💕
Not that I ever said I wasn't religious in this comment, but no thanks, I'm way happier and more content as an athiest than I ever was indoctronated by Christian beliefs :) I respect your freedom to believe, so respect mine to not, please!
@@crimsonnin2 the person you're responding to didn't criticize your views at all or suggest you convert to Christianity, they said "please don't hate all Christians because some assholes use their religion to justify their hateful beliefs" and suggested you check on the book the assholes are citing so you know they're just using it for justification. They were polite and (I would say) apologetic that you'd been attacked by assholes. Please take that into account.
A book which had female leaders in it ... It's like ignoring all the thing which is uncomfortable for them, and picking thing which they want to hear. Would he be okay if his partner would be a leader like Esther or Deborah? I swear these ppl don't know what they are talking about!
@@extendoduck Bro, I have said NOTHING about my personal feelings on Christianity (aside from that I felt like I was indoctronated in my experience) or hating Christians in general, my comment was specifically about these creationists/fundamentalists who believe the Bible is meant to be taken literally and the Earth was created 6000 years ago. But if you want me to spill my personal feelings so much, then sure. I've lived my whole life being socially estranged by Christians for not believing, constantly being pushed to blindly put my faith in a God that I've never felt any kind of connection to and being taught shame for not feeling that connection .Furthermore, while I recognize that it's certainly not the majority, it's also not exactly a negligible amount of Christians who use these beliefs to hide their obvious discomfort on these matters. A noticable portion of his followers say this God I'm supposed to believe in hates me for simply existing, and as I grow and mature I learn that his book and related texts/beliefs have been used to justify so much oppression throughout the annals of history and even to this day in some areas, for both people like me who love their own gender, or others who feel disconnected from their birth gender or even simply for being born into the wrong gender or with a different colour of skin. My boyfriends' mother, who is extremely religious, constantly berates and attacks him simply for existing as a gay person, even said at one point that she'd rather have found out he died in a car accident than find out he was gay, while also simultaneously preaching that whole "love thy neighbour" rhetoric, or even worse "love the sinner but not the sin" as it applies to the GRSM community. It loses it's meaning when spiteful people take it and run with it for self-validating purposes. And yet, despite all that, I made no attack to them directly (that is, they said theirselves that they're the type who don't believe in that hateful shit) and then THEY immediately reverted to "Oh, not all Christians though!!!" which is something that goes without saying. I just think it's a tad rude and EXTREMELY condescending at best and downright xenophobic and disrespectful to other cultures and religions at worst to stampede over someone's personal experience to defend and push your beliefs like "ok but have you read the bible sweaty? :)" (as if I didn't get forced to do that along with the Lord's prayer and hyms in assembly when I was in fucking nursery school- seriously HOW IS THAT NOT SEEN AS INDOCTRONATION???) It should go without saying from context that I'm specifically talking about the crazies given the quote I used. Now, don't get me wrong, I do have some complicated feelings on religion in general, but this doesn't mean I hate every Christian. My mum is a lovely Christian woman who totally respects all sorts of different people, and I don't hold her or the person I was replying to accountable for the shitty parts of their following. It's just that being told to read the Bible and all that sort of stuff triggers that response in me after having religion so heavily pushed on me, and I really don't appreciate being seen as a lost sheep to be welcomed back to the flock. I'm allowed to establish boundaries if I don't wanna hear about that which has hurt me and caused so many problems in more than just my own life. Like, yeah, I'll admit I'm going to be a little defensive on the topic and especially when people try to convert or push me into something, but I restrained myself a lot to make that comment more civil than this one, mostly because I could tell it was in good spirits. But does that mean I should be grateful that they have basic human decency and don't think that I'm worthy of infinite suffering for merely existing? That I should take their apology as if it means anything on the behalf of their toxic fandom who would spit in my grave given half the chance? I don't think so.
Love this review! Just wanna add that having one or multiple STDs/STIs does not make you bad, dirty, or wrong. It's a very normal part of life! Obviously, please be safe, educated, and honest, but having them is truly very common and no big deal. Okay, carry on!
I wouldnt say it’s no big deal, it’s really important to be educated and practice safe sex always, but most stds can be treated easily and don’t do permanent damage if treated.
@@edvh88 very true! Many are relatively harmless if treated, and by “no big deal,” I was more so hoping to portray that they are not a reflection of one’s character, but just something that happens in life.
Agreed! It's also recommended for exually active women to have a gyne checkup every year or two, and there should be no shame because that's just taking care of your health (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
I love the hair analogy because not only do people want different outcomes, even if you want the same outcome, different hair will need different things. If you have oily hair you will need to use a different shampoo to someone with dry hair, even if for both of you the aim is for clean, soft hair. People of different races often need different products or go to different hairdressers even if they both want a natural look for eg
2000 years ago, humans started culturing the mulberry butterfly for their silk yarn. After being caged for so long when we tried to put them into the wild again, and grow naturally... they had lost the ability to fly.... (My lecturer told me this story in a zoology lecture and I could never forget it since). I'm leaving this open for interpretation here. Have a great day!
Why do women hate women so much? Especially in a religious context? Like what on earth did we do wrong? What could've possibly made us less than human, I don't get it. What did we do wrong that makes us less than rapists (in some contexts)?
Rachel always reminds me why I stopped identifying as christian. I deal with a lot of self doubt when it comes to my beliefs, but I love seeing her laying out the logic and helping me remember how fucked up some ideals can be
Same here. I’ve just decided that I’m going to do what Jesus told us to do: love one another as you love yourself, and love god with all your mind, body and soul. I’m not going to limit myself or others for a religion that was literally made by men.
@@arsyoubae5092 And forget those icky parts that you don't like. What did Jesus say? 'Go and sin no more'. Always always always forget that part. Once forgiven, always forgiven, I bet.
@@DrGingerHamster who said I forgot that. By loving those around me and loving god, I’ll have no need to sin. Obviously as a human being I falter, but that doesn’t mean I’m not trying. Maybe don’t project onto me.
I can also point the “being a model is not what my mother and father had in mind for our future” is also creepy as fuck, it’s not the parents who decide what work we do as adult either...
its wild that these people still see 'having babies born out of wedlock' as some terrible thing like my parents were already engaged and had been together 4 years when they found out about me, but god forbid they didn't walk through a church dressed formally in a ceremony no one wants to actually go to.
My bf’s sister has two kids “out of wedlock,” she married their dad and then they had another baby. Sometimes life happens in a different order, sometimes the wedding doesn’t occur at all. Life is life. Heck, my bf and I broke up and got back together twice since 2012; this is our third go round (and we beat our record!)
I can't stand them but the one occasion where I will give them praise is when they took down that horrible victim blaming video and made an entire one about how evil sexual assault is and how it isn't your fault. What they said was wrong but at least they corrected it and explained that they didn't totally understand what the question was.
From experience, there are so many predatory people in the modeling industry. That is definitely the norm. There are so many stories of models having to "earn" their way to the top. If you are in the modeling industry, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it but it is something you have to be careful in
Rachel: I don't know anything about modeling. Honestly, look at me. ....you're a role model to me. Intelligent, beautiful, doesn't take shit, brave as hell... even when you were dealing with things like your ex, you handled it with such kindness and grace. You don't tell people they have to be like you. You help them find the tools to be themselves. That's a real person to look up to. You also go to bat over things that don't affect you, standing up for LGBT+ people and POC, even though you don't always have personal stakes. And also you're just beautiful and anyone who wouldn't have you in their ads is missing out.
Would love to hear from those “30 church girls” to see how they feel about their owns lives and happiness instead of hearing it from their high school bullies. 🙄🙄
It's so telling how these two women live safe, privileged lives, had a safe upbringing and are now married to (what seems) very timid husbands. At the same time they find room to judge sexual assault victims, women for working jobs they quite clearly deem 'beneath them' and recommend overly controlling men when they haven't experienced any of that. ever.
The way they write sounds quite self-centered and bragging. Kinda anti-Christian, and I guess they ignore women not being able to preach, and how they should keep quiet.
Nice work Rachel. I don't think religion can ever provide freedom, it can provide structure, comfort, support, excuse, stability, even financial security in some circumstances, but only by binding the follower to specific doctrine and behaviour regardless of reason, reality and rationality. Freedom is most definitely not a priority for religion.
She actually admits to almost escaping her internal misogyny and actually having self-esteem. And then her toxic boyfriend brings her down and she just crushes herself. It's really tragic
I love your take on it! The hair analogy was great! I really appreciate your willingness to speak on this in a very respectful manner. Also I found the misogyny in some of these comments disgusting ☺
It’s wild seeing my fellow Christians shame women for being “unpure” when Jesus Christ himself talked with prostitutes in the Bible… without shaming them
These women are literally Serena Joy from the Handmaid's Tale. Creepy to see what you could consider an "unrealistic" character as two real, breathing people. Margaret Atwood really knew what she was doing when she wrote that book.
As a Christian girl... I agree with most of what you said in this video. I also appreciate how you as an atheist commented about Girl Defined without mocking their faith.
The extract you show at 10:00 is actually surprisingly something I can relate to. For a long time I pressured myself to over sexualize my body so others could see me as beautiful - and therefore accept me. Except than the way I separated from that was not to focus on God's word but by coming out as a trans boy. It allowed me to reflect on how I wanted people to view me, and on whether or not the efforts I was putting into my appearance were for me or for others. If I put on makeup or dress up pretty now, it's for me, and I still feel like myself, contrary to before where it felt like putting on a mask, playing a character. Before, I felt like I needed to be the perfect little girl, to get accepted, to fit in... Now, I'm myself : a boy, and I feel free.
I totally get what you mean. I always felt wrong because I wasn't interested in performing femininity like that and I felt bad because the clothes I enjoyed the most weren't sexy. I identify as agender now and go by he/they pronouns and it's so freeing to be able to explore what parts of dressing pretty or wearing jewelry I truly enjoy outside trying to force myself to be feminine.
There are fly-by-night "Businesses" in America that try to recruit young women into modeling like how was described in the book. They hang around in malls and try to lure young women in like that. They offer girls dreams of stardom and then just sell the photographs to businesses for ad campaigns or whatever. They're less common now as malls are less common and not really seen as a young-person hangout anyway, and also because some states have now passed laws prohibiting the practice.
Good work for managing to read their book. I can imagine it would be draining to constantly keep hearing the same mischaracterisation of feminism and secular values
I don't know why you're not getting more views and likes. Please do not take that to heart. I LOVE your content, the way you think, and your videos!!!!! You are brilliant!!!
Realistically speaking,there will always be people that continue to perpetuate the idea that a woman should be subservient to anyone or anything but this is why people like Rachel or anyone who finds this unjust must continue to challenge this archaic ideas. It's a battle till the end of humanity but a necessary battle to live as a just, civilized species.
Out for a run when the deadpan "moo..." pops up and nearly wiped out on the sidewalk. Great video! Keep making content that you're interested in. Subscribers and whatnot will sort itself out.
Thank you so much for your videos Rachel, they’re so informative and interesting and you come across as so kind and intelligent! You made me love poetry! ❤️
The thing that stood out for me the most is when you said, the reason they could even write the book was because of feminism. Yes! Woman used to write under male aliases, just so other people could read their books.
I love the way you’ve approached this whole subject. you’re completely right, this book reads heavily as a commentary against the mainstream patriarchal definitions of femininity, which is awesome, but presents the solution as an even scarier and repressive definition of femininity? issues like hypersexualization and unrealistic beauty standards are denounced, but for “morality” and victim-blaming purposes rather than to protect young women, and in my opinion that’s downright morally repugnant. My heart hurts to think about how many young women might’ve stumbled across their toxic rhetoric that presents itself as a wholesome and pure alternative to “mainstream femininity” (whatever that is) and found comfort in it, even though it’s so so so damaging in so many ways.
I am very happy to see you go back to your atheist-content roots! Do whatever makes you happy of course, I am along for the ride, though this one made me excited and did not disappoint! ^^
Your awesome Rachel happy belated birthday rachel been a while sence you did a video on these closed minded idoits always look forward to your videos so much love you rachel awesome video
Rachel, I found you through Gabbie. I used to be a pretty big fan of hers but I no longer support her and her social media presence. However, I have in turn become. Huge fan of yours! I absolutely look up to you and the way you view things in the world. You analyze sensitive topics like in this video and I love the way you convey the message you're trying to get across. Please always stay true to yourself, you'll go far! ❤❤❤❤
Something important they also fail too point out about Marilyn Monroe is that she had serious Endometriosis. There isn't even great treatment of Endo now so I can only imagine how hard it would have been for her back then. As someone who has Endo I know how painful it can be and part of her drug abuse was most likely due too the serious pain she was in. Considering how hard it was for me in 2020 too get the proper pain meds, it makes alot of sense why she would self medicate. Sex can also be very painful due too Endo and when sex is painful and it feels like your at war with your body, it can be hard too be or feel sexy. Sex can become traumatic and bring extreme anxiety. Being made into a sex symbol with all of that and the aspect of her sexuality AND her past traumas had too be confusing and hard. All of this too say that Girl Defined reduces all of that too just her not following the Bible. It's so gross and victim blamy and I hate it. Guess what? I read the Bible too and believe in God and I have Endo and have had too deal with past trauma. Believing God doesn't keep you from dealing with hard things or stuggle with things like addiction. Girl Defined pisses me off so much because they judge everyone but take no accountability for their own life choices and just blame it on ~the evil media~ liberals and anyone who disagrees with them. The Bible literally says to do the opposite of what their doing. Only God is supposed too judge, we are just supposed too love.
When you started talking about shampoo as an analogy, I was expecting you to say "And that brings us to todays sponsor, Function of Beauty, where you can get custom hair care for your hair needs" :D
There’s so much classism and elitism in judging a woman for working as a waitress and assuming she’s unhappy.
if they think women shouldn't be working as waitresses they had better not be going to any restaurants and expecting someone to bring them their food
Thats more a working class issue, to have better work conditions and rights for waiters, why make it a gender one.
If a waitress seems unhappy because the us seems to have a really messed up service industry, and probably happy to work regardless.
@@marocat4749 I agree, I only made it a gender thing because Girl Defined was talking about a woman. I mentioned classism rather than misogyny.
Maybe they treat waitresses like shit so all the ones they meet *are* unhappy, at least at the time.
@@mariar.4893 hahahahaha y e s-
Oh.She didn’t even address the “nonconsensual” part. Her point was that sex outside of marriage leaves us ALL broken. Dang that’s backwards in sooo many ways.
Victim-blaming is so heathen
Real Christian girls do victim-*shaming*
Oh dude, my father and stepmother took me in from my mother partway through childhood. When I told them I was molested, they took me to a doctor to make sure my hymen was intact. (More trauma is totally what was needed.)
When they were told it was, they said "well, at least it wasn't THAT bad. God can make you clean again. Everyone is damaged in some way, by sin."
Took until my 30s to start really getting help.
And before someone thinks it was some religious "doctor" that did the examination, it was a military pediatrician. This was far more prevalent behavior, even outside religion and the church, than people realize.
@@Trynsa that is so disgusting I'm sorry
@@Trynsa I’m so sorry you went through that. I really hope you find continued healing.
Oh shoot does that mean I'm going to super hell because I wa0s born out of wedlock but I was baptized as a baby... how tf does that work lol
'Traditionally' there's no way a woman would be allowed to have a youtube channel, write books, and I seriously doubt they'd be allowed to preach the Bible to people. The hypocrisy is so thick with these types of youtubers. They criticize career women while building a career for themselves as influencers and seeking accomplishments outside of the home. Blows my mind.. I guess they're the only ones who get to have the life they want in their world order.
It's always been the irony of anti-feminists, going back at least to Phyllis Schlafly, who literally toured the USA from sea to shining sea many times over to preach that a woman's place is in the home... If she had practiced what she preached, she would have... Gone home.
It'd be nice if they practiced what they preached cus then they couldn't spread their dangerous ideas.
Fun fact, women historically have been allowed to preach, however whenever they gained recognition or followers it would then be stopped. Women would experience divine visions from Christ in the mid-Middle Ages, this was part of how they gained recognition and saint hood in the Roman Catholic Church, obviously that was banned- as an example.
Extra fun fact, women’s visions weren’t taken seriously but there is literally a saint because he had a dream of the Virgin Mary lactating on his face 👍🏻
They're real Serena Joys.
women who enter the public economic sphere to spread the message that women should remain in the domestic sphere... how do you not see the irony
Phyllis shlafly comes to mind
(in my opinion) it's like getting in the way of an autistic person having a panic attack and forcing them into a corner, like bruh, can't we just make a more accommodating society for everybody (I'm autistic, btw).
Phyllis Schafley.
Serena Joy😒
Ironic how they said Marilyn went wrong by allowing society define who she is when the whole purpose for their channel is imposing their concept of womanhood on others.
Even more ironic how these lovely ladies glossed over the sexual assault of a child. Gee - that couldn't have possibly caused any issues at all!
smh they are literally called girl define!! and they come talking about marilyn for being defined by the society
@@videofan1010 because "men can't control themselves" That's how misogyny works..
Nono, you misunderstand. Her error was not to let other people impose their ideals on her, but to let the WRONG people impose their ideas on her. Lol
@@pnx1412 I see no difference.
The solid three minutes of hair analogy would have been the perfect segway into a function of beauty sponsorship
was literally about to come comment this same thing LOL when she started talking about shampoo needing customized i was like “oh here we go” lmfao
I thought she was heading towards that lmao
I had the same exact thought lol
420 likes! A day late tho
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Their smugness is what gets me. They victim blame a woman that was abused literally from childhood to beyond the grave, and claim the moral high ground. Disgusting.
"Where did Marilyn's life take her first wrong turn" FFS did they ever read about her childhood???? Ugh...
Their heads would explode if they knew who Anna Nicole Smith was lol
She needed a therapist to help her with her mental well-being, not judgement from self righteous children who never even met her x
Funnily enough, Marilyn Monroe converted to Judaism before marrying Arthur Miller. But for Girl Defined that would be the "wrong" faith.
I can hear my mother's generation screaming in my head every time I hear their voices. A couple women in their mid 20s decided they just know better than all the women who fought for the world they take for granted... ugh I hate to be that person who plays the age card. Feeling old and crabby today
I'm a teen and I agree! The way they keep slighting women's fight for choice is just horribly disrespectful. It's genuinely sad that they don't get that women deserve to be whoever they wish and that spirituality doesn't always mean following a guideline/particular religion.
@@mewmew6158 XO keep fighting the good fight!
Yeah although I agree that 3rd an 4th wave feminism is too much, but that doesn't mean they should disregard the whole feminism movement. There was a reason it came. If everything was so perfect, feminism wouldn't have ever started.
Just... where does this come from?!
@@langying religious backlash to feminism is a long-standing thing. Focus on the family, which is a powerful anti-woman/anti-lgbt hate group and propaganda mill started as a direct result of 2nd wave feminism. Same thing with the moral majority started by Jerry Falwell. Fundamentalists have a powerful way to control people and they're not going to just relinquish that.
"This isn't about you, it's about men."
-Girl Defined.
It should be though
@@Enraged-vu2vb explain
@@Enraged-vu2vb no. It’s already about men in the world today. There is still gender inequality today. Open your fucking eyes and listen to women’s problems, my guy.
@@filiosideri7525 men were in power since the dawn of humanity because we are stronger, women usually don’t have that position they are not
@@Enraged-vu2vb women couldn’t have that position because they were suppressed for generations , please educate yourself
I need someone like Bethany in my life whole just nods and says “mmm hmm” to everything I say
Wouldn't that be great? Even when we're saying the wackiest bs.
Lmaooo
mmmm
Honestly! I get the feeling that Bethany has no idea what they’re talking about and is just going with the flow lmfao
Mmm hmm
If anything, their book shows why we still need feminism. Women are objectified and sexualized from a very young age, we're pressured to fit into one mold of femininity and made to feel ugly if we don't, and predators frequently target young women with specific traits in order to abuse and traffic them. The solution to these problems isn't further repression of women, it's liberation and freedom to be who you want to be. We need to educate ourselves as a society and learn to respect women as individuals. We need to challenge gender roles and sexism when we see it in the world, and when we see those tendencies in ourselves. Let's make a world where little girls can feel safe to be themselves and free to express their individuality.
Well you sound fun to be around 😬
Amen.
@@pascalroosendaal4981 what was wrong with what they said? Seriously. There is literally nothing wrong with all the things they said.
@@Fluffybunniii yeah you also sound delightful 😂
@@pascalroosendaal4981 keep being hateful, man. It’ll only make you feel more awful.
I’m honestly curious why they think so many woman are abandoning these Christian values and living their life by standards that make them happy. Like, the lack of their understanding that women living their own lives can make their lives so much happier and better.
They probably think it's the devil tempting them or something like that. I can't imagine that they could come to the conclusion that women are making independent decisions as individuals.
Also *gasp* the idea that maybe men edited God's word and that perhaps They had a different design for women as equals. I don't believe in God but my (catholic) family believed that the Bible is imperfect because it's only an interpretation of God and not of who They actually are. Like, in the Torah God's pronouns are We, They, She, and He, and then the Christian bible turned it all male so like... Kristin and Bethany are putting full faith in a book that is mistranslated and altered.
I guess that's why happiness among women has been on steady decline since the 50's, right?
@@StarrySeal Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately I was not raised Catholic, but in that silly Bible literalism Christianity :(
“Because... because.... Ms. Guthrie ya gonna have to get down and pray for forgiveness and hopefully get that liberal demon out..!”
Viola- who now remembers the previous topic mhmm
0:40 I like how Kyra appears, hears "Biblical womanhood", and just immediately leaves
Their bit about Marlyn really bothered me especially because I was sexually assaulted as a kid and am coming to terms with my disgust for sex lol. A lot of her diary looks like my own. Then they go and strip her and people like her of their womanhood, their sanity. Blaming them for not being able to get mental health help for their trauma so they turn to addiction as a coping mechanism. Lots of abuse victims can’t afford or can’t find therapy, like me. I was a Christian child when I was abused, me being Christian NEVER stopped it. Are they saying I wasn’t Christian enough and that’s why I’m “sexually broken?” I’m FURIOUS. These sisters are disgustingly cruel.
I once saw a thing on Facebook saying that she died because she rejected Jesus. I also very brainwashed back then (I was an impressionable 13yr old) but now (at 21) I have long lost all the beliefs I've had and have since decided that god isn't for me. I know that wasn't why she died but me, at 13, really believed it and it took me LONG time to not believe it.
Lol throwback to when I was in a christian cult and at 9 years old the sunday school teacher told our whole class of girls - "your body is a present your husband will unwrap on your wedding day" in the same lesson we "learned" not to talk or giggle too loudly
🤢🤮 that's dehumanizing and so degrading, I'm sorry you had to endure that crap
Immediately my brain just went ew ew ew when I read this... thats horrible.
Jeez you just unlocked a memory in me, I’ve definitely heard that line before irl in Catholic school
That's so disgusting from them
i hear that all the time but with the hijab. my family says its to cover my body and hair to simply protect my beauty under the eyes of men other than my future husband. save me 🙃🙃
"quiet friends turn into raunchy party animals." That almost sounds envious to me. It also says to me that the kids were quiet when they were younger because they weren't allowed to be anything else, not because it was what they naturally were.
"Obviously I don't know anything about modeling, I mean, look at me"
*Is a super pretty woman who's amazing at makeup and looks better than my 3/10 self could ever dream of*
Mmhmm mmhmm... what
Yes! I came to the comments to say this exactly!!
There's her video where she talks about Akhenaten (a really interesting video, would recommend) where she's just like amazing looking and I'm like, "sure, you don't know anything about modeling, uh huh, sure sure"
yeah especially bc she is talking about 2 girls who look like a 7 year old did their make up
You're probably more of a 6.
(Personality matters more though, sounds rich coming from a guy doesn't it).
@@icravedeath.1200 I don't think anybody should be giving anybody numbers? That comment was weird dude
It’s already so bizarre when people say that women shouldn’t have independence and whatnot, but it’s a whole other level of bizarre when it’s coming FROM women
I feel like they’re pick me girls without even trying. It’s ingrained in them.
That is what causes religious brainwash
Since when did being so judgemental become a "good Christian trait"? I know it has been like this for a long time, but I have a feeling Jesus would disapprove
Exactly. Aren’t they the ones that say that only God can judge in the end. Then why are they acting like god and deciding who is and isn’t going to hell? Lol can’t exactly have a conversation with a “Christian” without a good dose of hypocrisy.
And dont judge if you didnt want be judged. Which is a bit too "clean your room before you do anything else" vibes, but its christian for sure.
That was the type of Christianity I was raised in.
i have read the bible and from what i remember, Jesus spent more time criticizing the self-righteous than he did condemning sinners. it's weird how some christians forget those verses
jesus was known to befriend the outcasts in society like sick people and prostitutes and corrupt tax collectors. he would hate the modern christianity because he was very against judging other people
Yeah, no, being asked to come live with a couple so that they can help advance your modeling career is not normal in the US. That's SOOOOOO shady. Sounds like she was recruiting for sex cult.
My three important Fs: Freedom, Feminism and Friends❤
I get your point haha but I’d say it’s four important Fs. I’d add Family into that. Or I’d switch out Friends for Family cause friends can be included in family 😙
And fun
Freedom and feminism oppose each other.
@@aaronarhelm9113 wot the fuck yo on bruv
@@aaronarhelm9113 explain?
Girl Defined: why have a codependent relationship with culture when you can have a codependent relationship with God.
Just plain dependent- god doesn’t depend on them, so not co dependent.
@@edvh88 if you follow their logic, it absolutely qualifies as codependency. What they believe is they need God to tell them who they are and God needs them to be what they’re told to be. It’s the emphasis on “need” and the reliance on the other party.
If you’re a believer in God then you understand that God doesn’t “need” anything because God simply is. It’s us who project “need” onto God. (Just to clarify, these are my beliefs and I only speak for myself and my perspective. It’s not my intention to speak for others or project my belief onto others).
@@curstinmichelle technically it would be dependency whether they were both dependent or not, my understanding is that codependency is related to addiction?
@@honningbie2724 yes, codependency in relation to addiction is how it can be most obviously displayed and is most commonly known and I also understand that codependency can show itself in relationships where there isnt substance abuse. the addiction can be the other person, how they make you feel or what the relationship provides to one or more partners.
😂😂 NAILED it
„We saw other friends reject purity and dive headfirst into sexual relationships“ good 👏 for 👏 them 👏
@todoroki shoto so sorry, that must have been horrible
Not. good. for. them.
@@galek75 kay
@@irisl4498 Good that you agree.
@@galek75 I don’t, I just don’t see how a conversation where we both whine „no I‘m right!“ like five year olds at each other as a productive conversation
The get SO CLOSE sometimes!
Like that line "The only hope we have as women is to stop defining ourselves according to other's people's standards (...)" That part is good. Something you might hear or see at a feminist event even. I agree with that part.
But then they go with "(...) and start defining it according to God's Word." and they ruin it. Whyyy!
Yes! THIS.
Yes, exactly. If that's what makes them happy it's great but they chose this, so they kinda went and defined themselves and now they're replacing the impossible to reach beauty standards with impossible to reach standards of purity and biblical womanhood...
I'm a Christian and I've always wanted to write a book about faith and such, and I am learning SO much on how to not write a Christian book because you make a lot of good points. I would never want to write a book that tears down other people or even tear other Christians, which I feel like this book does so it's very disappointing...
They sound like people who watch their friends grow up and become independent and discover themselves, and since they never got to do that, they’re now bitterly judging others for it and think they are superior for remaining “pure” when they really just reek of repression. And they hide it all behind a mask of religion.
I rather suspect you have totally NAILED it!
Really, only about 15% of their peers finding fulfillment in old ways shouldn't come as a surprise.
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Exactly! They're so baffled that others grow out these specific beliefs and are finding their own ways to live because they (K and B) have been taught that following the rules and remaining childlike in their faith and thinking equals goodness. And as they've never stepped outside the bounds of their strict religious preachings, they have to believe that anyone who doesn't abide by their rules must be miserable. If they were to even entertain the idea that other ways of living can be just as fulfilling, if not happier than theirs, they would be admitting to themselves that they have based their entire lives on a lie.
I think the most disgusting lie they've been fed and that they are spreading is that doing your own thinking and making your own choices = misery and being controlled (by satan, society etc.), and that following the rules without question/with child-like faith = good, freedom. They call freedom delusion and sell oppression with a smile. When you're so brainwashed that you think of your shackles as comforting hugs of security... how do you get out of that?
Or conservatism, family values, againstany diversizy... way too common, i fear there will always be that people, just hopefully far far less.
Girl defined: don't wear bikinis
Women at nudist beaches: ok.
loop hole
I remember their names like this: kristin is the one who still looks and acts like the condescending mean girl in high school, Bethany is the one who seems a little unhinged, like she would get uncomfortably close in a conversation while holding a sharp knife for hopefully unrelated reasons
Both of those could be either of them lol i still don't know which is which
I never understand (as a guy) what is attractive in a non-independant girl ? I am with a relationship and I don't want my girlfriend live to just be about me. I want her to be herself and do what she want. Yes, I want to have project with her, but I want her to have equal part in it. We are partners, not a master and his slave.
Exactly, it’s so much nicer to have an equal relationship based on mutual love and respect.
Apparently it's Classically Manly to fear non-domination relationships.
Some people get off to a man having complete control over his wife, because they believe "that's how things should naturally be".
The power, there are men that feel themselves as providers if they pay for everything. They want a woman that follows his lifestyle. Basically the exchange is women's independance for security and economical stability
Please make a video about how Marilyn Monroe might have been an asexual lesbian, this is something i've never heard about before and would love to know more
😐why does this kind of make sense and why has this never previously crossed my mind?
I didn't knew that. I always thought she's just some famous sex symbol icon who happened to marry Arthur Miller, a.k.a the author of the Crucibles.
I’d love to watch a video doing a deep dive on this!!
That’d be so interesting!
I can totally see that, especially with the stars she was super close to.
In fact you could totally make a series out of how LGBT stars in Hollywood navigated their careers. Rock Hudson, Paul Newman, James Dean, and Eartha Kitt would be prime examples along with Marilyn Monroe.
God that guy who says "I like a woman who is content with God's place for her" made my skin crawl with how creepy that line sounds. Can't believe these people think a book written 2000 years ago is in any way equipped to be a moral guide for our modern society! No wonder we're regressing culturally...
A lot of what these types of channels preach is wrong. I highly suggest reading the Bible yourself (start with the book of Luke!) so you can see that a lot of what these people demand didn't come from the Bible 💕
Not that I ever said I wasn't religious in this comment, but no thanks, I'm way happier and more content as an athiest than I ever was indoctronated by Christian beliefs :)
I respect your freedom to believe, so respect mine to not, please!
@@crimsonnin2 the person you're responding to didn't criticize your views at all or suggest you convert to Christianity, they said "please don't hate all Christians because some assholes use their religion to justify their hateful beliefs" and suggested you check on the book the assholes are citing so you know they're just using it for justification.
They were polite and (I would say) apologetic that you'd been attacked by assholes. Please take that into account.
A book which had female leaders in it ... It's like ignoring all the thing which is uncomfortable for them, and picking thing which they want to hear. Would he be okay if his partner would be a leader like Esther or Deborah? I swear these ppl don't know what they are talking about!
@@extendoduck Bro, I have said NOTHING about my personal feelings on Christianity (aside from that I felt like I was indoctronated in my experience) or hating Christians in general, my comment was specifically about these creationists/fundamentalists who believe the Bible is meant to be taken literally and the Earth was created 6000 years ago.
But if you want me to spill my personal feelings so much, then sure. I've lived my whole life being socially estranged by Christians for not believing, constantly being pushed to blindly put my faith in a God that I've never felt any kind of connection to and being taught shame for not feeling that connection .Furthermore, while I recognize that it's certainly not the majority, it's also not exactly a negligible amount of Christians who use these beliefs to hide their obvious discomfort on these matters. A noticable portion of his followers say this God I'm supposed to believe in hates me for simply existing, and as I grow and mature I learn that his book and related texts/beliefs have been used to justify so much oppression throughout the annals of history and even to this day in some areas, for both people like me who love their own gender, or others who feel disconnected from their birth gender or even simply for being born into the wrong gender or with a different colour of skin. My boyfriends' mother, who is extremely religious, constantly berates and attacks him simply for existing as a gay person, even said at one point that she'd rather have found out he died in a car accident than find out he was gay, while also simultaneously preaching that whole "love thy neighbour" rhetoric, or even worse "love the sinner but not the sin" as it applies to the GRSM community. It loses it's meaning when spiteful people take it and run with it for self-validating purposes.
And yet, despite all that, I made no attack to them directly (that is, they said theirselves that they're the type who don't believe in that hateful shit) and then THEY immediately reverted to "Oh, not all Christians though!!!" which is something that goes without saying. I just think it's a tad rude and EXTREMELY condescending at best and downright xenophobic and disrespectful to other cultures and religions at worst to stampede over someone's personal experience to defend and push your beliefs like "ok but have you read the bible sweaty? :)" (as if I didn't get forced to do that along with the Lord's prayer and hyms in assembly when I was in fucking nursery school- seriously HOW IS THAT NOT SEEN AS INDOCTRONATION???) It should go without saying from context that I'm specifically talking about the crazies given the quote I used.
Now, don't get me wrong, I do have some complicated feelings on religion in general, but this doesn't mean I hate every Christian. My mum is a lovely Christian woman who totally respects all sorts of different people, and I don't hold her or the person I was replying to accountable for the shitty parts of their following. It's just that being told to read the Bible and all that sort of stuff triggers that response in me after having religion so heavily pushed on me, and I really don't appreciate being seen as a lost sheep to be welcomed back to the flock. I'm allowed to establish boundaries if I don't wanna hear about that which has hurt me and caused so many problems in more than just my own life. Like, yeah, I'll admit I'm going to be a little defensive on the topic and especially when people try to convert or push me into something, but I restrained myself a lot to make that comment more civil than this one, mostly because I could tell it was in good spirits. But does that mean I should be grateful that they have basic human decency and don't think that I'm worthy of infinite suffering for merely existing? That I should take their apology as if it means anything on the behalf of their toxic fandom who would spit in my grave given half the chance? I don't think so.
Love this review! Just wanna add that having one or multiple STDs/STIs does not make you bad, dirty, or wrong. It's a very normal part of life! Obviously, please be safe, educated, and honest, but having them is truly very common and no big deal. Okay, carry on!
I wouldnt say it’s no big deal, it’s really important to be educated and practice safe sex always, but most stds can be treated easily and don’t do permanent damage if treated.
@@edvh88 very true! Many are relatively harmless if treated, and by “no big deal,” I was more so hoping to portray that they are not a reflection of one’s character, but just something that happens in life.
Agreed! It's also recommended for exually active women to have a gyne checkup every year or two, and there should be no shame because that's just taking care of your health (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
@@ChewonThat well said! Important to be safe and get tested and treated if necessary but not to feel horrible about yourself if something happens
I love the hair analogy because not only do people want different outcomes, even if you want the same outcome, different hair will need different things. If you have oily hair you will need to use a different shampoo to someone with dry hair, even if for both of you the aim is for clean, soft hair. People of different races often need different products or go to different hairdressers even if they both want a natural look for eg
“Girl Defined is against feminism”
In other news, scientists have discovered that water is indeed wet
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katie jones sounds like a badass who's living her best life
so basically they're saying "women shouldn't be successful and independent, just look at us"
2000 years ago, humans started culturing the mulberry butterfly for their silk yarn. After being caged for so long when we tried to put them into the wild again, and grow naturally... they had lost the ability to fly.... (My lecturer told me this story in a zoology lecture and I could never forget it since). I'm leaving this open for interpretation here. Have a great day!
This is accurate to an unfortunate degree.
Why do women hate women so much? Especially in a religious context? Like what on earth did we do wrong? What could've possibly made us less than human, I don't get it. What did we do wrong that makes us less than rapists (in some contexts)?
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Rachel always reminds me why I stopped identifying as christian. I deal with a lot of self doubt when it comes to my beliefs, but I love seeing her laying out the logic and helping me remember how fucked up some ideals can be
Same here. I’ve just decided that I’m going to do what Jesus told us to do: love one another as you love yourself, and love god with all your mind, body and soul. I’m not going to limit myself or others for a religion that was literally made by men.
@@arsyoubae5092 And forget those icky parts that you don't like. What did Jesus say? 'Go and sin no more'. Always always always forget that part. Once forgiven, always forgiven, I bet.
Which ideals are fucked up? And who is forcing you to follow any of what they're saying? It most certainly isn't society. So, who is it?
@@DrGingerHamster who said I forgot that. By loving those around me and loving god, I’ll have no need to sin. Obviously as a human being I falter, but that doesn’t mean I’m not trying. Maybe don’t project onto me.
@@DrGingerHamster the religion is forcing fucked up ideologies onto people: homophobia, sexism, sexual same, transphobia.
I can also point the “being a model is not what my mother and father had in mind for our future” is also creepy as fuck, it’s not the parents who decide what work we do as adult either...
its wild that these people still see 'having babies born out of wedlock' as some terrible thing
like my parents were already engaged and had been together 4 years when they found out about me, but god forbid they didn't walk through a church dressed formally in a ceremony no one wants to actually go to.
Just hearing "wedlock" gives me nausea.
@@rickc2102 why make it sound so scandalous, right? some people just want kids and dont wanna be married lol
My bf’s sister has two kids “out of wedlock,” she married their dad and then they had another baby. Sometimes life happens in a different order, sometimes the wedding doesn’t occur at all. Life is life.
Heck, my bf and I broke up and got back together twice since 2012; this is our third go round (and we beat our record!)
I can't stand them but the one occasion where I will give them praise is when they took down that horrible victim blaming video and made an entire one about how evil sexual assault is and how it isn't your fault. What they said was wrong but at least they corrected it and explained that they didn't totally understand what the question was.
From experience, there are so many predatory people in the modeling industry. That is definitely the norm. There are so many stories of models having to "earn" their way to the top. If you are in the modeling industry, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it but it is something you have to be careful in
Rachel: I don't know anything about modeling. Honestly, look at me.
....you're a role model to me. Intelligent, beautiful, doesn't take shit, brave as hell... even when you were dealing with things like your ex, you handled it with such kindness and grace. You don't tell people they have to be like you. You help them find the tools to be themselves. That's a real person to look up to. You also go to bat over things that don't affect you, standing up for LGBT+ people and POC, even though you don't always have personal stakes.
And also you're just beautiful and anyone who wouldn't have you in their ads is missing out.
Would love to hear from those “30 church girls” to see how they feel about their owns lives and happiness instead of hearing it from their high school bullies. 🙄🙄
29:20 absolutely killed me with the little “moo”
Sameeeeee
I had sudden Tara Mooney vibes
It's so telling how these two women live safe, privileged lives, had a safe upbringing and are now married to (what seems) very timid husbands. At the same time they find room to judge sexual assault victims, women for working jobs they quite clearly deem 'beneath them' and recommend overly controlling men when they haven't experienced any of that. ever.
The way they write sounds quite self-centered and bragging. Kinda anti-Christian, and I guess they ignore women not being able to preach, and how they should keep quiet.
Nice work Rachel. I don't think religion can ever provide freedom, it can provide structure, comfort, support, excuse, stability, even financial security in some circumstances, but only by binding the follower to specific doctrine and behaviour regardless of reason, reality and rationality. Freedom is most definitely not a priority for religion.
"If this is normal in America, well, please stop." 😂 Oh girl, you just summed up my feelings about my country over the last decade.
* talking about very serious subjects *
Kyra in the background: H H H N N R R R N N G
Gotta love Kyra😂❤️
"I don't know anything about modeling, obviously, look at me" I'm looking and it's not very obvious
"I'm giving you the freedom to do whatever you want. I'm merely going to tell you what that is."
Simply by being a woman who isn't afraid to initiate sex and loves it, I am a filthy sinner. Oh well...
16:27 “what are your biggest insecurities right now” babe I’m gonna need more than two lines for that one!
She actually admits to almost escaping her internal misogyny and actually having self-esteem. And then her toxic boyfriend brings her down and she just crushes herself. It's really tragic
I love your take on it! The hair analogy was great! I really appreciate your willingness to speak on this in a very respectful manner.
Also I found the misogyny in some of these comments disgusting ☺
It’s wild seeing my fellow Christians shame women for being “unpure” when Jesus Christ himself talked with prostitutes in the Bible… without shaming them
Christians love ignoring what the freaking holy book says, specially the new testament
These women are literally Serena Joy from the Handmaid's Tale. Creepy to see what you could consider an "unrealistic" character as two real, breathing people. Margaret Atwood really knew what she was doing when she wrote that book.
You’re seriously one of the most sweet and genuine youtubers out there and I’m sincerely glad that i found you! 🥰 keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for your content! It is a breath of fresh air that this world desperately needs.
I strongly second this sentiment
I’ve been undergoing a meds change and seeing this video in my sub feed made my day just that much better 🥰
The hair comparison is actualy really good, it sounds kinda like explaining things to a child but this seems to be the only way they might understand.
As a Christian girl... I agree with most of what you said in this video. I also appreciate how you as an atheist commented about Girl Defined without mocking their faith.
“I really admire a girl whose content with where God has her in life” ohhh so a complacent woman who has no desire to excel in life? Ooof. No! 🤢🤮
I was raised very very religiously and I know like ten girls Defined. This is just giving flashbacks to those awful days.
I watched Jimmy Snow read this entire book bless his heart. Looking forward to your take on it
"Moo." Hahahaha that was hilarious! Brilliant commentary, as always.
The extract you show at 10:00 is actually surprisingly something I can relate to. For a long time I pressured myself to over sexualize my body so others could see me as beautiful - and therefore accept me. Except than the way I separated from that was not to focus on God's word but by coming out as a trans boy. It allowed me to reflect on how I wanted people to view me, and on whether or not the efforts I was putting into my appearance were for me or for others. If I put on makeup or dress up pretty now, it's for me, and I still feel like myself, contrary to before where it felt like putting on a mask, playing a character.
Before, I felt like I needed to be the perfect little girl, to get accepted, to fit in... Now, I'm myself : a boy, and I feel free.
Congratulations!
I totally get what you mean. I always felt wrong because I wasn't interested in performing femininity like that and I felt bad because the clothes I enjoyed the most weren't sexy. I identify as agender now and go by he/they pronouns and it's so freeing to be able to explore what parts of dressing pretty or wearing jewelry I truly enjoy outside trying to force myself to be feminine.
There are fly-by-night "Businesses" in America that try to recruit young women into modeling like how was described in the book. They hang around in malls and try to lure young women in like that. They offer girls dreams of stardom and then just sell the photographs to businesses for ad campaigns or whatever. They're less common now as malls are less common and not really seen as a young-person hangout anyway, and also because some states have now passed laws prohibiting the practice.
That was my first thought when she started reading those excerpts. 100 percent sounded like one of those scams
I super love how you don't have background music behind your essays. Awesome! So listenable. PS proud feminist 🙂
I'd not heard of them or the book before so was an interesting watch
I cannot deal with the way sweet Kyra looks at you, my heart!
Good work for managing to read their book. I can imagine it would be draining to constantly keep hearing the same mischaracterisation of feminism and secular values
I once saw someone say Kristen and Bethany fully take turns blinking and I can't stop thinking about it
"Society tells women to be independent and put themselves first!" Damn, really? What society do they live in? I need to move there.
I don't know why you're not getting more views and likes. Please do not take that to heart. I LOVE your content, the way you think, and your videos!!!!! You are brilliant!!!
There’s a good chance her content is being suppressed; TH-cam has a bad habit of doing that
Realistically speaking,there will always be people that continue to perpetuate the idea that a woman should be subservient to anyone or anything but this is why people like Rachel or anyone who finds this unjust must continue to challenge this archaic ideas. It's a battle till the end of humanity but a necessary battle to live as a just, civilized species.
Out for a run when the deadpan "moo..." pops up and nearly wiped out on the sidewalk. Great video! Keep making content that you're interested in. Subscribers and whatnot will sort itself out.
“✨✨Separate but equal🥰💖😊💕🙏🏻✨🙏🏻”
Is what they remind me of 🙄
Thank you so much for your videos Rachel, they’re so informative and interesting and you come across as so kind and intelligent! You made me love poetry! ❤️
You explain feminist concepts in such an easily understandable way, it’s really helpful!
I'm going to refer people to the haircut analogy when they ask why I want top surgery
Great content, as always, lady. It's good to have you back on the scene.
Loved seeing your older videos about girl defined was when I first started watching you in 2017/2018. Love this long form book stuff from you
The thing that stood out for me the most is when you said, the reason they could even write the book was because of feminism. Yes! Woman used to write under male aliases, just so other people could read their books.
Whoa, what a throwback 🥰
Dropping a comment because Rachel is awesome :) Sadly I don't really have a network to share this in, but I am glad for every video from you!
Thank you! :)
ive been wating for this!! thank you much ☆
"from that large group of thirty" who the frick has thirty friends. huh?
Honestly Katie seems to be living her best life, I wish the best for her.
I love the way you’ve approached this whole subject. you’re completely right, this book reads heavily as a commentary against the mainstream patriarchal definitions of femininity, which is awesome, but presents the solution as an even scarier and repressive definition of femininity? issues like hypersexualization and unrealistic beauty standards are denounced, but for “morality” and victim-blaming purposes rather than to protect young women, and in my opinion that’s downright morally repugnant. My heart hurts to think about how many young women might’ve stumbled across their toxic rhetoric that presents itself as a wholesome and pure alternative to “mainstream femininity” (whatever that is) and found comfort in it, even though it’s so so so damaging in so many ways.
29:28 THE MOO ABSOLUTELY SLAUGHTERED ME WHY AM I ACTUALLY CRYING
I am very happy to see you go back to your atheist-content roots! Do whatever makes you happy of course, I am along for the ride, though this one made me excited and did not disappoint! ^^
Your awesome Rachel happy belated birthday rachel been a while sence you did a video on these closed minded idoits always look forward to your videos so much love you rachel awesome video
Rachel, I found you through Gabbie. I used to be a pretty big fan of hers but I no longer support her and her social media presence.
However, I have in turn become. Huge fan of yours! I absolutely look up to you and the way you view things in the world. You analyze sensitive topics like in this video and I love the way you convey the message you're trying to get across.
Please always stay true to yourself, you'll go far! ❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much ❤️
Something important they also fail too point out about Marilyn Monroe is that she had serious Endometriosis. There isn't even great treatment of Endo now so I can only imagine how hard it would have been for her back then. As someone who has Endo I know how painful it can be and part of her drug abuse was most likely due too the serious pain she was in. Considering how hard it was for me in 2020 too get the proper pain meds, it makes alot of sense why she would self medicate. Sex can also be very painful due too Endo and when sex is painful and it feels like your at war with your body, it can be hard too be or feel sexy. Sex can become traumatic and bring extreme anxiety. Being made into a sex symbol with all of that and the aspect of her sexuality AND her past traumas had too be confusing and hard. All of this too say that Girl Defined reduces all of that too just her not following the Bible. It's so gross and victim blamy and I hate it. Guess what? I read the Bible too and believe in God and I have Endo and have had too deal with past trauma. Believing God doesn't keep you from dealing with hard things or stuggle with things like addiction. Girl Defined pisses me off so much because they judge everyone but take no accountability for their own life choices and just blame it on ~the evil media~ liberals and anyone who disagrees with them. The Bible literally says to do the opposite of what their doing. Only God is supposed too judge, we are just supposed too love.
I want to make 41:54 my ringtone 🙌
I love that this showed up in my subscription listing right next to Zelph on the Shelf doing a parody of them called "Girl Reclined"
When you started talking about shampoo as an analogy, I was expecting you to say "And that brings us to todays sponsor, Function of Beauty, where you can get custom hair care for your hair needs" :D
I'm a Christian but whenever I hear the phrase "Biblical womanhood" brought up unironically I just want to roll my eyes and leave the room 🙄