Are Low-Power EMTBs Crap For Heavier Riders? | We Strapped 35KG On Georgia Leslie!
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- Lightweight EMTBs have fast become the "do it all" MTB, but with a reduced amount of power and torque, are they really worth it for heavier riders? In the name of science and a bit of fun, we recruited Georgia Leslie to find out how much harder it is to ride when you've got an extra 35kg strapped on to you! This could be interesting!
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Georgia was such a good sport with your surprise test. I think she would make for a great "regular" on the EMBN channel.
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Most definitely! Steve certainly put her through her paces with that extra 35kg. 😅
I second that! She’s my type of gal! 💪🏼 And funny AF!
I like her. She's a real character! Hope to see her on the channel more often.
We'd love to get Georgia on the channel again soon! She put up with a lot in this video! 😂
Great to see Georgia back on the channel - be good to see more regular? Be nice to have a lighter rider doing more real world content on range and ride characters of the light / mid power eMTBs.
For sure! Georgia was a great laugh to film with!
I'm a 133 KG rider and I highly recommend the "Low" power e-Bikes. Levo SL, Orbea Rise etc. I started with the Levo, and it is great, but really, too much power. Routinely spun the rear and it was heavy on technical sections. The "low" power bikes provide the need assistance for long or hard climbs, so as to not tire your legs out, so you are nice and fresh for the downhills. Most of the trails where I ride are "Trail" level, some light Enduro, and once in a while a DH run. If you are running mostly DH, then yeah, go full power because they descend like a Cadillac.
Great comparison. I'm a light 59kg rider and that helps explain why my experience and range on my Trek Fuel EXE is comparable to other heavier riders on full fat. I never feel the need to go more than eco mode and get crazy range on my EXE. I never realized how big a difference rider weight would make.
one of your best videos to date love Georgia’s sense of humour and a BL@@DY good sport looking forward to her next appearance.
Thanks so much, Roger! It was great to have Georgia on the channel again!
I’m 50 and a bit overweighted, weak heart and I ride my Specialized Levo for fun
what matters most is power to weight. shure you might be heavier but your muscles could also be stronger to counter this.
Why not just find a heavier rider? This is a silly test.
Absolutely! Because the surplus in muscles must also be taken into account! @@hambo76
But I understand the setup. A very large majority replied with how nice and enjoyable the presence of Georgia is instead of engaging in a true and relevant on topic discussion.
Great kudos to Georgia that she went through torture prepared by you. It is so funny video. I enjoyed every second of it 🤣 According to other comments I think that lot of viewers taken this "test" too seriously.
I hope Georgia become a embn presenter in the future, she is funny as...
Hello from West Belfast IRELAND 🇮🇪 happy St paddy's day.. love the show ❤👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Love her energy 😆 hope to see more of her on the show
For sure! We'd love to have her back on the channel!
I LUV this woman! She’s hilarious!!!😄
I was a heavier non-rider; bought a Specialized Turbo Levo SL, 3000k later I’m a 20kg lighter rider.
I’m 55, 6’ 2” and around 105kg. Have had a Levo SL for a couple seasons now and just added a full power Levo to the garage. I usually ride the SL when I ride with my friends on regular bikes but it just wasn’t enough as more people started riding e-bikes. I love both but am finding that they definitely have a place depending on where and who I’m riding with. Thanks for the great content. Georgia was such a good sport for putting on that vest😂
Ya this is why i got an orbea rise for my wife. She's small and just needs a bit of boost to keep up when riding with me and my training buddies on acoustic bikes
I love my H15. I'm not small, I'm a 50yo semi-solid 210lb dude but man it's a fun bike. Carving corners and jumping feels so natural. I prefer trail mode 95% of the time. Another thing I love is it allows me to help train our high-school NICA riders through the summer and fall. They are fast and can motor all day. I am not/can not and need the help! Haha
Thanks Stevie for another interesting post....Georgia a real sweetheart! I agree with others who say she should be a regular on the channel! Seems like a real fun gal!
Another nice vid. These clips are always a good reminder that riding MTBs or EMTBs is not always about taking huge risks or suffering colossal pain fests. They are good from time to time, but riding should always be fun. Thanks
Who is this Georgia……she is the best love her normal attitude and swearing what a legend so funny……need more of her😂😂
I do love Georgia and she enthusiasm. All that weight on her torso will make her ass hurt after the ride. I love my Levo Turbo Expert yes, it is heavier and took come getting use to but once you learn the feel of the bike is different riding conditions it is a blast and an absolute tank, rock solid bike. One thing I did do was to lower the assist range in eco mode to make it feel like riding a none EMTB.
I have no idea what the results were due to just laughing! Georgia killed me 😂
The type of girl you can ride with then enjoy a beer with. She’s a 💎 😍
Great video. Who doesn't enjoy watching Georgia? Not just because she is gorgeous. She is funny and she is a great sport. How God created so much fun in one small package is miraculous.
I have a Kenevo SL and love it but at times I wish it had more power. At 193 cm and 145kg, I really struggle on steep hills. I agree with Georgia that the lightweight and handling characteristics of the Kenevo SL make it a dream on downhills or even on flat ground.
Great vid! I'm a bigger guy, and have a Kenvo SL (love it) and yeah I don't get as good of range from the battery (even though I don't use turbo much), its the perfect bike to ride with the younger, fitter analog riders I ride with.
Mahle too Loud in that kenevo sadly.
True, but only really on high cadence and steep climbs. When riding along in eco or trail its quite bearable. On the other hand its perfectly quiet downhill.
I would always go for the full power bike because you can always turn the power down 👍🏾
Exactly!
Not everyone enjoys a 60 lb bike though...
@earlytimz that's true. That's l love. My home made 750w mid-drive mountain bike. I can pick it up with two fingers and throw it around, and my Zooz is only 25kg. I prefer lighter bikes as well
@@earlytimz Yeah, but who wants even a 40lb mt bike really? The low power small battery bikes are a niche thing.
They're for people who either dont go far,or want to provide most of the power themselves.
I would just ride my 24lb Intense sniper if I want light.
In reality Ive ridden 240lb dirtbikes on singletrack for many years, so a 52 lb bike somehow doesnt faze me a bit.
@@ashpunting "exaggeration"
Since every rider has their own weight and fitness level it is awesome that we get to choose from so many different weight and power level bikes.
I guess I can be consider a light rider, I weigh about 160 lbs, height is about 5feet and 8 inches. Well, my regular bike is the 2020 Enduro, and I generally do 2000 feet, up 4k feet of vertical gain - both rides have plenty of DH rides to justify the vertical gain.
I recently bought a Decoy Core 4, about 6 weeks ago, YT had an Insane sale, too hard to pass up. Well, the Decoy was a game changer. Now I can do the exact same rides, effortlessly and still have energy to hit the gym for a light strength conditioning.
I ride the bike exclusively at ECCO mode only, 42nm, and drop the effort by one notch. I personally don't need a full power bike, hence why i ride in ECCO with slightly decreased assist.
Cheers man, nice vid!!!
Georgia would be a great addition to the channel! Unfortunately not really a valid test with all that weight dramatically changing the centre of balance.
Rotwild RE/RX 375 is s somewhat lighter bike under 20kg, but with the full 85Nm Power shimano and a 375Wh battery that weighs only 1.9kg(compared to Bosch powertube 750 at 4.3kg)
I sell and test both types. Removing so much weight from the downtube and and getting it lower down makes a massive difference. The smaller battery also clicks in and out with a push button, so changing to another takes seconds.
Doing manuals went from possible, but DAMN hard to natural again.
Georgia is very charming. The video aside it was very entertaining just because of her.
I bought a Kenvo SL and recently started lifting again. I was 25lbs heavier before (lean muscle), wish me luck.
Had a KSL, awesome bike but for me I did struggle and found the range limiting my days out because it was working harder, mainly in trail mode, eco and off going down. I’m 80/85kg I do a bit of trail running and gym stuff and I’d say I’m fairly fit. I’ve now gone full fat (Pole Voima) and it’s night and day! Love the new bike it makes climbing as much fun as going down!👌🏻
I’ve a KSL too and am 80kg, did 40 miles & 6300ft midweek riding with a pal on his full-fat. I did have to work harder than him (we compared HRM data afterwards) but we both used about the same % of battery, he just used twice the watts. Late 50’s but fit.
I also have the KSL and at 160lbs with gear I find that it has enough power for me. Definitely heavier riders need more power.
Don’t know if either of you are interested but I have a push eleven six for a KSL for sale! Like I said I’m 80/85kg so the spring is for that weight! Awesome bit of kit! I’m in the UK so will only post there! Sorry for the shameless plug!😂
@@RobHill00 TBH no issues with the air shock, even on our longer Scottish descents.
More Georgia !!!
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I noticed that the handlebar on Georgia’s specialized are very wide in comparison to Steves? Is that stock? New to this thx😊
Makes me realise why I struggle up long steep climbs, at 6’7” and 112kg on a steel hardtail! Probably why on on the EMBN more lately! 😂
I know the feeling 107kg 6'2"
You couldn't get a better test person than she is. Fresh lovely personality :-) How steep was the climb? 15%?
I love Georgia, so much energy and nuttyness 😂
She’s a riot!
The corollary of this is how silly hill climb stages are on EWS-E (EDR-E?). The bike's power is limited and the dominant force. Therefore a heavier rider will have an artificially much lower power to weight ratio than a lighter rider than they would on an analogue. Those hill stages make me uninterested in the whole race as a spectator, as it's often the stage which decides the winners and makes no sense.
That was awesome - very entertaining, it was like taking an unruly puppy out for a walk or Mr Jones having the opinionated teenage granddaughter dumped on him for the weekend!
Georgia are cool❤
At 117 KG I can barely squeeze 55km out of my Cube Stereo 750 in the hills. I have to keep it mostly in tour/eco mode. I managed 70 on flat.
Great video, I'm in the process of buying an eMTB and deciding whether to go low or full power. Just for laughs I has hoping Georgia would ride the full power bike up the steepest hill.
@@irfuel That sounds reasonable.
Well, this convinced that when I'm finally able to get an EMTB, it'll be full-fat. I'm a tick under Steve's size and half (or quarter) as fit. Hmmm, maybe I'll need a double turbo mode.
Also owning a full-fat, but the levo/kenevo sl is the weakest of all light e-mtbs with just 35nm of torque, others with around 60nm are significantly more powerful, which will be enough for most climbs, there are just a few situations where you need 80-90nm to conquer a climb. As they say in the video, it always depends on the group you are riding in, if they are all on full-fat, you should also go for one, so that they don't need to wait for you all the time or because your battery might not last that long and you are not able to finish the ride, otherwise a lighter one is a good compromise of keeping it sporty and still supportive enough
@@e_mtb Yeah, I keep waffling on which direction to go. Part of me just thinks if I'm going to spend that kind of money, I should go for the power. If I was 30, that might be different story. But at 50 and with what scientists call "chicken legs," more power seems to be the way for me.
@@JasonFoxLCB Yes, in this case, I also think so, light e-mtbs are having an advantage when riding very challenging trails, because they are more nimble in the corners or when doing jumps (e.g. in a bike park), but if you are more interested in doing longer tours and exploring the nature, a full fat emtb is still the ideal tool to do so and the additional weight will not bother you in any way in this case
Nice, Jason! Hopefully, you'll be on an EMTB before you know it! 😉 Full-fat e-bikes are well worth it if you're thinking of going fully e-bike.
@@e_mtb Lightweight, 60nm, and mid size battery is the winning combo. Plenty of power and range yet stil llight and playful.
Georgia- real nice Person!
laughed at 9:35 lol
Ok, so I'm 63 and can manage 30 miles on the road on my bossnut. What kind of bike would you recommend that would help me get from home to woodbury common so I can ride without using the car. It's around 8 miles each way ? Cheers
Just at the end of the video there’s a clip of steve riding a flow trail, anyone know where and what that trail is called?
Hey, Kev! That was filmed in the Forest of Dean.
haha georgia is brilliant we want more georgia x
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More Georgia. What could be better than that?
100%! Us too! 👍
how about a shootout between the turbo levo full sus VS the turbo levo Hardtail? for myself instead of going with a levo sl i thought about going with a levo hardtail. even though i have the turbo levo full sus but everywhere i go the levo Hardtail is non existent. i heard a rumour that the levo hardtail is discontinued and being replaced by the tero ?
with 95 kg i´m a heavy bloke which i can compensate for a while by the watts i can press into the pedal. I have ridden a EMTB-Conversion (Bafang BBS) for some 1000 kms, stripped down to ca. 350 Watt max output. YES! This limits what i can do, there is not only one uphill- trail i cannot master with low power. No problem as long as im alone, but in a group its no fun to see the others handling climbs i cant do. Also it ist a problem to do a long ride with a small battery. So i "unleashed" my motor (and bought a new bike later) and it was more fun. I like the less kilos on the low-power-EMTBs, but climb-quality is more important to me.
What a great sport she was for doing that. I hope she can do more on the channel again soon.
That was pretty interesting. I'm interested in getting an EMTB once I can afford something I like. I'm pretty unfit and although I ride occasionally on my 905 I suffer a lot with some old injuries mostly knee issues and my fitness has gone badly downhill. I was thinking of getting something like a Rise but I think this has shown me I maybe need to go full power and ride on lower power settings as/if I get fitter. My other concern is I usually tend to land between sizes a S and M frame, should I go larger or smaller in this case on an EMTB. I've noticed some small frames can't take the bigger batteries on offer with some brands but this isn't an issue over ride quality.
probably size up is safer and then for your next bike re-evaluate based on nimble versus stability.
Well done Georgia, good sport! Hope you gave Steve some serious grief afterwards!
This is the exact debate I am in right now. I have had a full power ebike for the past few years and have just sold it. It was so different in weight and playfulness from my analog mtb that it wasn't fun to ride. All of my friends are on full power ebikes and I am trying to figure out if I would have fun on a lightweight ebike and if I would be able to keep up with my friends.
I’m going for both, being a heavier guy. ROTWILD R.E 3750 core. 360Wh battery, full 85Nm motor and just under 20kg. But the weight difference from this to a 750Wh is Night and day. The battery is 2.4kg lighter than Bosch powertube 750, and much lower down.
My 1st emtb was a full fat Haibike but recently picked up an Orbea Rise and I love it! I wasn't riding in turbo on the Haibike so decided I didn't need it. The rise is so playful and natural with plenty of power to get me where I need to be.
She's so cute, I can't even 😁 Why don't you invite her for more videos? Really enjoyable to watch a "potty mouth in a family show" 😁
I used to carry 55kgs of kit for around 4-5 hours in Afghan 😢, how is anyone that light? Fair play, full fat bike for me then
Great fun video. ...but....Ignoring the lack of Science here (muscle to weight ratio and all that) - what is interesting is the idea that any difference in a rider's ability should (and could) be addressed with an increase in power assistance. Do we really all need to get to the top of the hill at the same time? Does the rider at the back just buy more power to catch up? Yes I can see the argument for an increase in assistance for some, but is the conclusion here that everyone should be considering their power assistance relative to everyone else they are riding with...? Still a fun video though 🤘
Hey, Tim! Thanks for watching! We're stoked that you enjoyed it. Although this was a fun experiment we think what you've mentioned is well worth a thought. You'll always find that in a group ride, you'll have people at the front and people at the back. However, with differing power modes and motor specs, you could have a wide range of riders (in terms of weight & fitness) riding together in a close group. Maybe this could be its own video?! 👍
@@embn I guess I have just spent many years coming to terms with being slow on climbs compared to some of the people I ride with... the implication in this video is that you could iron out this difference with me being on a full fat EMTB and my co-riders being on half fat EMTB - it reminds me of Super Mario Kart where you can always catch up after a crash... yeah this is just a bit of fun and I am overthinking it, but it seems to be an active discussion point with lower power emtb's i.e. 'you can't keep up with the full fat models'. IMHO this is going to kill the category in the long term...if price is not a differentiator, then surely the market will just follow power? (and the weight will ultimately come down...) - way too much overthinking - I'm heading back to GMBNtech....
Miss my EMTB stolen and insurance wouldn't pay out... We an age until I get a new one 😢😢
A. Georgia is cute as a bug! And lively! She should be in more videos!
B. You both run your seats so low I dunno how you get anywhere.
I ride amish roadbikes a lot, im an average to fair climber depending on the day. I weigh 168 lbs.
These girls/women we ride with, one is under 100LBS. Several are 110 at most. And they are fit.
They will come zooming by me up hills like they are out for a dawdle. While Im about to launch breakfast and am cranking up a storm.
70lbs is a lot.
I do smoke them on downhills, Im a bit of a wacko on downhills anyway.
ok here is my dilemma, i'm 187cm 93kg (without gear) and after 24km of mountain biking (the trails are at the top of the mountain) my knee is killing me, so I want to keep going up the mountain and my options are three, 1. buy surron, but not really since the battery will die before I even get to the top, 2. Buy a 125cc MX 3. buy an ebike , will the assist help me enjoy my ride? worst case do the same distance with no pain or best case let me ride for longer. My knee doesn't hurt all the time, only when I push it a bit like the 3rd easiest gear and usually while I return home when I'm tired.
buy the full powered emtb - sounds like it'll be great for you.
Power to person proposition - selecting an e-bike
First off I am no kinematic technical person or have any formal education in this field so take the following with a grain or two of salt . . .
In this video you discuss the idea of big guys and light e-mtb bikes. It got to me thinking that a big guy kilowatt output is greater on a non-emtb vs a smaller person - power to weight ratio. The premise suggests that a light emtb with less watt output may not have the same benefit or negated benefit of lighter less wattage emtb.
I wanted to proposed a perhaps more scientific exercise to look into.
Kilowatt output from a big guy on a regular mtb - trial/all mountain/enduro - BGKO Big Guy Kilowatt Output
E-mtb to watt output to weight ratio (WOW) - question? Does the weight of the e-mtb offset the benefit of kilowatts assist with pedaling?
Do trial runs with same person - non emtb light emtb and full emtb
While using the base time of the non emtb climb - establish which setting (watt assist) is required to meet the same non emtb climbing time on the light and full emtb.
Big Guy Weight /Height x BGKO + Base climb time (non emtb) x WOW (light & full emtb) = Power to weight ratio
This should demonstrate whether a lighter emtb provide value to a bigger rider on a light emtb bike or if it is the same as a full emtb.
My underlying supposition could be that because of bigger guys riding a (heavier emtb vs non emtb) needs more watt assist than a lighter rider on the same bike, that a bigger rider may not want a lighter etmb because their weight by itself negates the lighter motor output this reducing the efficiency/benefit of a bigger rider.
BTW I’m 6’6” 225 pds (age 54) and this would be super facisting to have someone with more knowledge than me to try to solve for this equation and I think your viewers would appreciate the analysis as it would help steer people in making a better buying decision for there body wot weight ratio
Cheers
blooper reel??? please..
By the by, it struck me why someone small and light would have men’s wide handlebars?
Surely the first thing you would do if it is your own bike is to cut them down.
Not really a fair test tho. Bigger riders can make more power themselves.. but the watts per kilo is lower
I tiny 50kg rider on a 575watt 4xyou ebike? She might not even be able to provide the input needed to get the bike to hit its max power
I should show this to my women riding friends.
Please do! 👍
Make up your mind. Was it 25kg or 25kg?
That never same if you give it to athletes and real heavy person
55kg Light rider won't have the leg power of a 95kg heavy rider. But they will have better endurance. Just another thing to throw in there 😁
Georgia is just what EMBN needs, young good looking girl with good bants and obviously loves mtb :) Where is that park btw.........?
Heavy riders have more muscles that would help move there heavier weight
Basically a modern man on a bike A lot of money for lesspower😊
Hey Georgia, in looking at your pedal stroke on the steep, it looks like the majority of your force is on the downstroke, if you put more power to pulling back & up on your pedal stroke you will vector the weight of your body over the tread and with a forward lean, might help keep your front end down… or not, but it might!
No chance this weight more than 5k
I tried a levo SL when I was 105 kilos so more than that kitted, it was fine. Full power just spoils people it appears.
An unfair test young man, your extra weight is working weight and not dead weight which is what it was on that nice young lady. A fairer test would be for the weight to be attached to the bike. For your info I’m one of those 6’2” 100kg riders but my downfall is I’m 75.😂😂😂
Haha! It wasn't the most scientific of tests, but it was a fun way of showing how much riding weight can affect you. 😂
This test is kinda silly, you cannot strap weight to a person in one spot and expect it to be even close to the same thing. I am 215 my muscles are developed to support my weight and the weight is distributed. You could be a heavy rider and have a ton of muscle mass.
I know its for fun but if you are considering a bike purchase then I would suggest you don't use this for your decision making process.
exactly power to weight matters.
At 95kgs you need 147nm to feel what a 55kg person feels with an 85nm bike....so yes, one day you will feel what it's like. Eventually ebikes will be so powerful you barely have to put any effort in to pedal at the limiter speed up very very steep hills. I can't wait for that day as I basically want a 20kg motorbike to ride around as fast as I can....fitness? I get that from running marathons. Bring on the 150nm bikes asap! (I weigh 70kgs. lol)
they already have 160nm e bikes called frey the frey beast is something i have been looking at with the bafang m620 motor in anda 1470kwh battery full sus
Funny, but a light body person's muscles match a light person, a heavy body person's muscles match a heavy person. Putting weights on a light person is not the same as putting a heavy body person on their own muscles.
Agree with you on this
Depends on their skeletal muscle mass. Lots of fat people out there with low muscle.
And how quickly the heavier person is out of breath is another consideration.
A real world test with a Trek small battery low power bike was conducted by a fellow rider.
Hes too heavy, hes out of shape. So he bought that really cute Trek.
And has run flat dead out of battery 3 times out of 4 rides with our Wed group. 15 miles is too far.
So has given that expensive ass bike to his wife, who doesnt even ride. And bought himself another expensive bike with a real motor and battery.
Steves gold teeth weigh more than Georgia😂
Acoustic bike not analogue . Think guitars.
Amish
go full power or go home.
This is too dumb. Heavier riders have developed muscle mass accordingly.
Until you get to be 71 years old like me.
But they might be far less fit and out of breath earlier.