@@skyclaw36 I literally thought the same. I mean it looks gorgeous as usual but it's basically just Nagrand as a botanical garden with Shadowlands architecture all over it and a slightly faded colour palette. I kinda laughed when they described the raid as "something that shouldn't be able to exist" when it's basically just another titan ("super-titan", excuse me) facility. It looks good but they are really overselling it.
"We're walking on water -for some reason-" I can't keep my mouth shut on how much this represents the way blizzard worked in the past years. It's the perfect combination of doing something for no reason and also not knowing why they do it.
Tell me you don't play then game you develop without telling me you don't play the game you develop. He UNIRONICALLY said we're walking on water like there aren't 2 classes in the game that can do at will. One of them can even mount while walking on water. Not to much that just last expansion they introduced mount equipment that let's anyone of any class with any mount walk on water. I'm beside myself... don't get me started about how novel "floating trees and rocks" are. Nagrand would like to have a word with you.
2021 Dev Team: "Completely unique, and completely different. Our trees here are floating. We have stones that are floating." 2007 Expansion: "Am I a joke to you?"
probably not allowed to tell it in the game because how do you sell all those juicy books than ? :D such a idiotic concept of storytelling of a game....
I just awaited a "we all float down here" coming out of Christies mouth as her theet started to grow sharper and her eyes glow yellow, when she started with the floating spam...
Ion lifts his head from the pile of cocaine on the hookers ass in the server room "So what if... like... we had ground... bunt not ground cause its in the air! woahhhhh" *rest of the devs mumble in vague agreement as the continue playing call of duty*
It wouldn't be bad if they weren't jerking off over how unique and amazing water, floating stones, and rock animals are. All while the whole story is a huge ass pull with zero setup or foreshadowing. Not to mention how weird it feels for this shit to be "behind everything we have ever experienced". Wasn't it cosmic and epic enough for Azeroth to be a fucking titan? If the "first ones" (very creative name btw, otherwise it would have been hard to tell they were old) and this forge has created all existence, did they make the titans? If they made the titans, why don't the titans ever talk about the first ones even though the titans clearly are very high in the hierarchy of power and knowledge. The whole Azeroth is a titan world soul thing, it had so much potential story telling. It would have actually been foreshadowed. Imagine if instead of whatever the fuck was BFA, we got a story of us delving deep into the history and development of Azeroth. How the races native to it were evolved from titan constructs because of the old gods. Maybe tell us how Azeroth itself feels, why she has not woken up. This could even turn into something like giving us her point of view instead of Magni just claiming he has it without sharing any details. Imagine if the story was that Azeroth was meant to wake up, but the constructs that were corrupted to become alive grew dear to the world soul. So she felt like a mother to the people that lived on her, and knowing we would all die if she woke up, she chose to sleep.
Its sad. The leader of the burning legion. The Fallen Titan who created an army and invaded Azeroth 4 times with his minions. Over 3 RTSes and slowly building up for 13 years. Nope, everything was this guy we had no contact with for 3 years out of nowhere. Sargeras being defeated should have been the ending chapter and to build anew. Nope, need to drag this out for ????
No kidding - Sargeras and the Legion, that was stuff that was seeded in Warcraft *1*. As far as we all knew, Legion was the end of that huge chapter and BFA was starting a new one.
And where is it on the moon ofcourse because WoW gota follow all the way with copying endwalker after shoving the "plot threads from the entire series" bs.
"The First Ones created the universe... as far as we know." They word it like that so they can introduce the Super-Titans 10 years from now when they've done with the First Ones.
That's how they tell a story, arbitrary strings of nothing that are meant to make you wonder what's coming next but are delivered so often and in such a soulless way you don't care anymore.
The First One's ARE the new Titans because they realized they scrapped the patheon in Legion and now have no mysterious creator characters to rely on. The original twist of the Titans being dead should have stayed.
I laughed so hard when they said that they are excited to bring tier sets back - you are THE DEVELOPERS, it was YOUR CHOICE to remove them in the first place. These people are either on some hard copium or just delusional. There is no hope for this game, none whatsoever. FF14 is awesome in comparison, same with SWTOR. Also, "water we can walk on" is called ice, I have it every winter.
In a world where i can cast a fireball, morph someone into a sheep, mount a flying griffon, teleport myself to somewhere else Walking on water is probably THE MOST NORMAL THING I DO AT THIS POINT Wtf are these dev smoking
It was said by the senior level designer so it is the art team. It could be she meant that the art developer team was excited to create the tier sets again not that the whole team was excited to bring them back. Generally the art team has no say in whether to bring tier sets back.
Don't forget the glitter though, most important part of the tree. Also, decorating a tree in wow with unique items and textures sounds more fun than this
They took something meant to incentivize new game + play throughs in old games like ffX with its al bhed primers and such and applied it to an mmo as a form of timegating. What a shit fucking idea.
Half of the Shadowlands story goes directly against the lore established in WC3. The fact that he could even tell that shit on camera with a straight face talls you all you need to know about what kind of "writer" he is.
"look at this impossible sky" _< shows a perfectly normal blue sky >_ Ah yes. Quite impossible indeed. _< remembers the dark sky of Outland with vast flows of energy traversing it >_ Yup. _< sighs >_
All of the "new, unique, alien" of Zerith Mortis is stuff we've seen before. Floating islands with waterfalls from nowhere? Yeah, Nagrand in Outland. Lush, slightly odd plant life? All over AU Draenor, Freya's world, and the Legion worlds we went to during the Legion assaults. Strange objects with unknown purposes? Storm Peaks, Uldum, and probably other places I can't be bothered to remember. Zerith Mortis is literally a mishmash of stuff they've done before, and so uninteresting that the thing they rave about the most is that OMG YOU CAN WALK ON THE WATER!
Not even in California can what they're smoking be legal. The only tie to WC3 here is that it shares the same name as the final mission in the RoC campaign. To quote Varimathras: _"Very subtle..."_
Exactly, is as if they hastly thought about summarizing the whole thing just like FF in the last few weeks. They have an expansion to finish it and wow has a patch.
Yup, I too have had a "wait what?" moment when they acted as if this was a proper continuation of WC3's Lore and not a retcon-fest. My friends have too. Bellular has. Preach even with his limited knowledge of the Lore went "is this true?" because you can smell the bullsh!t a mile away.
@@skeetzneph870 I don't think so anymore. Especially after experiencing other games. Especially the animations turned to absolute garbage. And the zone is one of the least interesting I have ever seen.. And I have also seen this kind of areas before. A lot. Done better. Blizzard isn't good anymore. You just seem to be out of touch with the wide variety of other games, that do it a lot better already.
It wouldn't be so swiss cheese, if they'd stop putting it out of the damn game. Maybe delve into further information and add more detail, but the purpose of trying to put story in the damn game is to actually have the whole thing there. What's sad, is that vanilla had a stronger storyline than current... and it's lore was hidden and required digging...
Imagine your entire brand being tied to "WoW Storytelling" in 2021. Nobbel has to feel like he's actually dead and in his own personal Maw at this point.
Man same. First I thought of. Probably not far off the mark, creativity is dead. This expac we just had vampires, zombies, angels and fae, depicted sliiightly different from common tropes, why not rip off another game too?
will they multiverse and create afterlives that are just knock offs of other games. we have discount GW2, will we get a discount FFXIV afterlife next, maybe a discount TESO afterlife following that?
Mate to me the tier sets look like shit. The rogue helm it's cool but overall looks like shit, nothing like a tier set that every time scream class fantasy, now get fuck this is zone theme even when it will looks like the greens and blues you were getting in 9.0
@@Foretelling good thing we can Tmog over them..cause i literally don't care what they look like im going for POWER lvl im numbers guy i only care how much % they will give over some diff item :D
"They need to repair the hole in the sky" There has been a giant sword in Silithus for the last 3 years, can't count on them repairing the mess Sylvanas did to the sky.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother the sword is still in the planet And we technically still have Heart of Azeroth, lore implications of why we can't use it in Shadowlands is that we're not on Azeroth anymore so Heart is useless
@@Amandor2011 No the lore implication of why we cant use it is because we ALL siphoned our 80+ HoA levels into the sword to "pacify/drain" it. Were you there for the end of 8.3 or are you just talking through your ass pretending to know what you're talking about? The reason we still have the necklace is because its a fucking game. GAMEPLAY REASONS if it wasnt obvious enough to you. The same reason we can still use legacy gear in timewalking etc. Yes, they could have done something more. Like actually removing the sword. But dont act like it's just sitting there as an unresolved plot point when it was the finale of BFA. It wasnt a good finale, but it happened.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother So, Heart of Azeroth came AFTER we cleansed the corrupting energies from the sword. The wounding of Azeroth happened at the end of LEGION, 7.3, we had to use our artifact weapons to help with the situation, that's in the game itself our artifact weapons were overloaded. If you check Antorus on warcraftlogs, you even have "normal artifacts" and "empowered artifacts" sets of logs. The Heart of Azeroth used up (almost) all collected azerite, aye, but it was to superfriendshipkamehame N'Zoth and the Black Empire into oblivion, but as far as I remember, it wasn't totally burned out like the artifacts. But that last part could be wrong. How'd you put it? "Were you there for the end of 7.3 and 8.3 or are you just talking through yur ass pretending to know what you're talking about?"
"You know how FF14's story feels like a constant build upon what came before with a clear vision for where they wanted to go since the beginning? Well WoW does that too. We promise. Please believe us. Don't think too hard about this claim. Do not think about how many times we had to retcon our story between Warcraft and WoW up to now."
"Yes champion, we have always put the entire story inside the game, we have never put vital information to understanding the game behind books, comics or lore bibles we consistently retcon."
FF14 has had retcons* before. Now with the asterisk that its always been setup before as "We don't know a lot about X but I believe after I've done a study that this is the answer!" and then they do some more study and are like "Oh okay, I see now before was wrong, if I were to theorize it would be like this...?" So instead of giving absolute hardcore facts. All the story is always poised from characters in the story that has a bias. And that's also often telegraphed. So it never feels like a retcon when they explain stuff. Instead its the character that's misinformed, lying or was simply wrong and then admits to it. They also do all of this ingame and NOT via a encyclopedia that is marketed as the explanation for everything and then it becomes a lie later anyway.
@@TheRedAzuki Wow also tends to say something isnt what we thought it was and if you go back and look at it theres litterally 0 hint to most of what the call the "real" lore where in 14 you go back and look at things and you go yea that makes sense because they set up the threads of things but its things you cant see without context WoW forces that context without putting the threads there to begin with just gota accept it because we say so.
@@TheRedAzuki That would be an in-universe breakthrough, rather than a retcon. This works because everything established in FF14 is not treated as hard facts and even the most fundamental of principles can be called into question when new phenomenon arises. If a breakthrough doesn't explain everything, and we're left wondering about the unexplainable elephant in the room; the characters will also express this unexplainable elephant in the room -- Which oddly enough adds to the realism that this is how real world scientist operates too.
@@TheRedAzuki they also write the story with a plan so the 'retcons' dont actually change the rules its just a realization about how things always worked. thats why the big reveals always feel super good in ff.
The story of SL is like a kid without his Ritalin medication who’s hit their fatigue point during 9.0 and just wants to finish their homework now and go to bed.
WoW has always cribbed from other games and it's usually a good thing. If it makes the game better overall, I'm fine with Blizzard hijacking FFXIV's cliff notes.
@@mung01re There is taking mechanics, and then there is taking story beats and plot elements as if the writers weren't writing their own story at all, but just doing knee-jerk developments to follow trends. No one minds if WoW takes a mechanic from one game and adds it to their own, people can smell BS plagerism when Endgame comes out and the final boss is just a cheap Thanos copy.
@@GetterRay There is no such thing as a plot element that hasn't been taken already. There are more musical expressions than plot elements and we already have a supercomputer that has generated all the ones that can theoretically exist. Reply with something you think is truly unique and I will find 10 stories 10x older. There is nothing new under the Sun. Humans have been around too long for that.
@@Kjetilstorm Yes, yes, hero with a thousand faces and all that, that's not exactly a mind blowing insight there. FFXIV itself takes plot elements from its own franchise and recycles it over and over. I'm not talking about broad platitudes here but specific examples. Everyone can smell the BS and desperation from the writing team and its obvious. They suddenly want to pretend like they've been working on the first chapter of a long 20 year story arc and it comes off as pathetic because it clearly isn't. It does look like "hey FFXIV says they're closing their first major arc, lets pretend like we've been planning this for 20 years and not 10".
"That's the mage one I guess" - This perfectly exemplifies the fact that those tier sets don't convey enough of the class fantasy to be easily identifiable.
The Shaman one is the only one that remotely looks like the class. You could randomly swap around the 3 caster sets periodically and nobody would be able to tell the difference.
@@karrotlord They all look vaguely like the blue set you can get just after reaching 60... but with more effort invested. imho. It doesn't surprise me that they think class fantasy is dead.
The bitter cynic in me is seeing that "This is a cumulation of a saga since WC3" them trying to go "SEE? SEE WE'RE JUST LIKE FFXIV, WE CAN SET UP LONG STORY THREADS YEARS IN THE MAKING!!!!!"
I mean that is exactly what this is. They've been transparently trying to imitate the FF14 style of storytelling, complete with ingame conversation cutscenes (which don't really work because WoW models are rather cartoony with exaggerated expressions meant to be readable from a distance).
@@zentyrant They imitated it to realize it doesn't work and expansion after expansion they removed WOW like systems or things deemed the enemy of playing a game for fun. Still have those grinds if you want to do them but they're far from time gating. The only time gating things they have is like sending shit out to explore which is just extra stuff doesn't hinder you at all like a Gacha game saying you can't farm.
I mean tbh. when was the last time where resubbing for the lore made sense? I can't think about a single time. Cinematics go to TH-cam anyways and the story gets covered by TH-camrs too.
@@Nightstalker314 That's exactly the point. As a concept, it's so unknowable that it shouldn't be touched with a 100-foot pole if you're trying to write a story about it; at least, not if you're going to physically manifest it. No matter how it comes out, it won't encapsulate the grandiosity of what the grand cosmos is played up to be
I hear rewrite the rules of reality and think... "aaaaand?" Like, tell me why I should care? What's the end result? Maybe Zovaal ain't a bad guy, maybe the rules of reality kind of suck, maybe his alternative isn't that bad. Again, why should I care?
Zovaal-I need to speak to Zenos. He must have some tips on how to improve! Must…break…through..!’ Zovaal, darling, the first tip here is that you need to recognize the player character. The second is that you need to stalk them. Abusive backstory optional.
The world in Shadowlands felt so incredibly alien to me. But not in a good way. Apart from that one-off quest where you live through that farmer when the scourge breaks out and he dies, it was just disconnected from any relatability. It looks like they continue to double down and we are going deeper into the origin of all essense of what the fuck ever. I could not care less and I have checked out long ago. There is no human story, no matter what anyone says. This is beyond shark jumping
I really wanted to like where they were going with the story here. Going into the afterlife was a really cool idea, but they have totally ruined it by adding WAY too much mystery and ambiguity. We can't hate or disagree with the Jailer. We don't know wtf he's trying to do. We have to just assume Sylvanas is an idiot for "accidentally being a pawn" in his plans because we still don't know why they were even coordinating. Jailer- "Hey if you commit mass genocide and help release me from the Maw then I can change the way death works!" Sylvanas- "I'm in!" Jailer- "wh... really? that's it? you're in?" Sylvanas- "you got it." Jailer- "don't want to know how or why or literally anything else at all?" Sylvanas- "I'm good" ~lights world tree on fire~ Also Sylvanas a little later after literally serving- "I. Will. Never. Serve."
I mean we DO know what he's trying to do though..... Pay attention to the Anduin and Sylvannas cutscenes and you'll realise that the Jailer is looking to replace the "order" of the entire universe with his own "Domination order". As to what that actually entails if he's successful is the unknown part. (Here's a hint... itll be like being trapped inside a rape dungeon for the rest of eternity for everybody) I mean for fucks sake just look at the name of the patch... "Chains of domination".... Hmmmm i wonder if the jailer is trying to dominate the universe? Fuck it couldnt be. Its actually blatantly obvious if you people would look past your noses for 2 minutes. WoW's not doing great, but the hive-mind uninformed hate is just becoming fucking cringe. You probably dont even play the game and i wont blame you for that, but this whole "we dont even know what the jailers doing" thing is just ignorant bullshit. Its more than clear what is going on. You dont even need to read the quest text to pick up on it. Its becoming too trendy to hate on WoW. People are spewing straight bullshit as their reasoning for "quitting the game" and im just sitting here watching it happen like bruh..... wtf is wrong with you people. Half the C*nts dont even know what theyre complaining about they just regurgitate some shit from a Belullar video. And i'll be the first to admit. WoW's shit atm. Dont even fucking start on the "shill" bullshit. But seriously the ignorant hate is super cringe. Obviously some of the Sylvannas story beats were trash. But to sit there and act like you dont know what the jailers doing is PURE ignorance and probably disdain to confirm your bias. Nothing more.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother well how come he's trying to change "order" of the universe? just curious since I've seen people say they don't know why he's considered an antagonist simply because he wants to change how things work.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother *why* is the jailer going to this place? "To rewrite the laws of the universe", okay but why would he want to do that? "Because he was banished for unknown acts" suure,but whats he gonna rewrite them into? "He's gonna rewrite them to his domination laws" Great,how is that any worse than what we have now? Why should i care,what are the stakes and motivations other than *booo he gonna rewrite reality so scawy* The jailer is a thanos knockoff,but they removed every single movie and you only see half of avengers endgame. He literally says a total of 10 lines in the entire game,and half are like "hah,mortals you can't stop me" Like bruh
@@dafire9634 I guess we forgot that the Jailer was locked up for ???? years and wasnt always bad. I guess you're not fully comprehending what it means when i say *Everybody, locked inside a rape dungeon for the rest of eternity* If you cant see the stakes there, thats on you. They have actually explained why he's bad AND its wildly evident what he's trying to achieve. Ive already explained what that entails and the game does too. All of your questions are literally answered if you look past your nose and read inbetween the lines for 1 millisecond. Its just ignorance to pretend otherwise. Whether you think he's a Thanos rip off or not isnt even relevant. People are just jumping on the hate train because thats whats popular right now. There's a lot of things you can criticise Shadowlands for but this is not one of them. I get that WoW's in a ditch atm. But the braindead hivemind is so fucking cringe. Like what did you need an entire encyclopaedia on the Jailers daily life prior to being the Jailer? How much *More* needs to be explained to you before you're happy. Judging the WoW community atm they could give you every detail down to the second he was taking each breath and you would still find something to criticise and talk shit about. Theres a lot we dont know about Sargeras but no ones asking questions. We are also not at the end of the story arch, theres a lot of things we were probably meant to learn but never will now because theres no 9.3. Let alone whatever we will learn in 9.2. Again, You can hate on WoW for a lot of things. But dont pretend like you dont know what the main villain is doing. It has been explained to you over 1.5 patches now. Maybe pay attention more? Its blatantly obvious. Also Thanos didnt enslave everyone based on a personal grudge, you're literally the type of person im talking about. Hivemind trend follower. You looked at a Bellular comment section and that has literally formed your opinion in its entirety. Ive seen your comment typed out atleast 100 times now.... Think for yourself bruh.
So by their own words, in Zerath Mortis, we should see EVERYTHING that should EVER be in EVERY possible realm we may EVER visit. They need to stop going grander than they could ever deliver. It's just one disappointment after another when you do that. The "First Ones" are not here. This is a machine on auto piolet. And I am sorry but everything they are showing us about ZM looks exactly like something we could see on Azeroth and the Shadow Lands. What could one possibly mean by defying physics when we already exist in a fantasy world? This screams Marvel's Eternals. Celestials, Eternals, Celestial Seed named "The Dreamer" inside planet Earth.... As many have said, WHY are we trying to stop Zoval? What does he even want to actually do? Maybe it would be something we could want to happen. Nobody knows.
There was a popular theory in 9.0 that the Jailer wanted the soul of the Titan growing in Azeroth, otherwise why bother opening the portal to Azeroth? Even though we have no idea why he is doing what he is doing, the only reason we are there is because he opened the door and left it in the sky. So he basically called the cops on himself before trying to commit the crime.
Without spoilers, Shadowbringers spends an ENTIRE expansion making sure you know the Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How of the Antagonists plan. It's fed to you slowly, in an interesting way, and ACTUALLY has threads that weave back throughout the entire game's story. This, by comparison, is a straight up insult to the players' intelligence..
It's almost like one game has a team that has a plan for the story, and the other cannibalized parts of the story to fit whatever mcguffin they are going to have us find to solve all our problems.
@@TheMidWave Leave us not forget that the McGuffin gives us some form of power that goes away at the end of the expansion, because why would we get more powerful as heroes... so they can keep treading over the same ground three xpacs in a row without having to figure out new talents or skills to give us.
I've just started Shadowbringers, but you even saw pieces of Shadowbringers story from way back in one of Heavenswards patches with the warriors of darkness. They've had this story ready years in advance.
@@Soress9 back in heavensward yoshi told everyone that the team had most of the major plot points already figured out for this storyline and that they were working on future plotlines, to know that this is how far out he was talking was exciting to see come to fruition.
Jfc... It's a fun idea for design, but I guess people will always believe everything that Blizzard do will always be time gating. Complain about the Raid being timegated, this dialogue thing us minor to be fun, that's all.
@@MrJesuisOMG they earned that reputation entirely of their own accord. You cant blame people for being cynical when you have 10+ years of shitty game design and condescending behaviour behind you.
@@rjg27 I'm aware. But the cynicism is eye rolling at how people nitpick at everything. Ahn'Qiraj had "timegating". Isle of Thunder. ICC. Suramar. Doesn't even make sense that people want everything open instantly to just rush through everything and then complain about "no content" at week 2. When done well, it leads to narrative and buildup for the moments to come, as an actual RPG journey, this dialogue can be one of those.
"Yeah we planned out for Shadowlands to only have 2 major content patches." Did you know Final Fantasy XIV has a free trial... Like, in a world where FFXIV, Warframe and Path of Exile exist, this is NOT good value for your money OR your good will.
Poor Ner'zhul... Had his soul tortured by Sargeras and then infused into the Helm to become the Lich King. Only for Blizzard to turn around and say "lol no, it was actually the jailer".
"We wanted to make this area feel completely alien. So we made EVERYTHING FLOAT." I like the idea of the cypher a lot, kind of like learning the Al Bhed's language in FFX in order to learn more about the lore, NPC dialogue etc. But knowing Blizzard, they'll gate it behind fucking dailies, so it'll be wasted.
Its the system you see at 35:00 Its currency related,timegated and you need to do it because it unlocks double legendary AND flying,making it mandatory, they cant help themselves
@@dafire9634 I am still trying to work out if double legendary is worth it as a Frost Death Knight, none of the covenant legendary buffs actually increase the effectiveness of the covenant abilities for us, so from a covenant legendary perspective I have 4 relatively bad choices to choose from so the question becomes is the ilvl increase enough to be worth farming it and that's probably going to depend on slots I guess
Complete with a rebuilt, ancient city full of faceless, ‘enlightened ones’ who communicate with mysterious sounds we can all somehow understand........ I wonder how they thought of that one?!?!
it's literally just suramar + nagrand themes of mobs are straight out of immortal hulk , and the first ones are just precursors from jak n daxter with the same looking "oribos" stuff.
"The jailer doesn't want power, he just wants to go to a place of power to rewrite reality." ... that would mean he wants to use that power to use himself? They really just thru that in there and didn't think it thru.
"Hey, Thanos was really popular in the MCU movies...oh, let's do that with the Jailer! We'll make it that he has a purpose and its not to just take over!" "Shouldn't we tell people what that is?" "Nah, why would we do that?"
Its not really new that they are retroactively changing the motives of their characters. I bet we would find some interview of some dev explaining, how the Jailers thing is power or escaping the maw with some effort. But at this point, it isnt really surprising that even Danuser doesn't know the motives of the very characters he wrote into the game. How on earth would you come to the conclusion, that a character that uses Domination magic, which is the very exertion of power over another being, isn't after exactly that. More than that: If not to make himself in charge of creation or the shadowlands or whatever the Sepulcher is capable of, what exactly is his goal then? I should really give up to understand what they make up in their heads from patch to patch, I guess.
"We wanted to make everything completely unique and completely different" I get that she's reading off a shitty script but holy shit that line makes me so upset. This zone is literally bastion + brokers theme put together and we've had that theme all of Shadowlands. Floating shit is just Nagrand and Bastion. But yeah, cool waturrrr
She was like we have floating island or something like that in the video and i was like ???????????what? the old school wow had nagrand with floating islands :D they think they are doing some unique thing but they are just reusing old already created things they put a different clothes and colors and here we are and when i saw these SETS man i'm so worried what they will do for next expansion cause they said we are going to give you class tier sets meanwhile they just gave people 2 and 4 piece bonus nothing more these sets are exactly the same shit since BFA..where paladin warrior DK looks the same
Why the Jailer is bad?? - Asmon. They created a character without any background on why he is doing it and eventually become the very villain . Blizzard writing..
Its the system you see at 35:00 Its currency related,timegated and you need to do it because it unlocks double legendary AND flying,making it mandatory, they cant help themselves
I'm really sad that I already know that language gimmick is just going to be timegating with a skin. I really wish it would be an actual language we had to decipher just like how in Pokémon RSE you had to decipher a message in braille in order to understand what you needed to do to solve the Regi chambers. They have so much talk about 'muh RPG' so if they actually cared about RPG mechanics I don't want to see those runes auto-translated in the UI. I want to explore the zone and get clues as to what the runes mean and need to keep a notepad handy to pen down these clues and figure out what open-world chests ask me to do or what the quest the NPC gave me actually needs to complete it. I don't care if it takes me a week of exploration to finish 1 side quest as long as the journey to deciphering it is fun.
@@fairy4ire ah, so because a group of people will use an addon we might as well ruin the experience on purpose so that nobody gets to have fun, genius! Do you realize how dumb that sounds? You know there are addons that can put your entire rotation into 1 button right, should that also then just be baked into the standard gameplay since there's an addon for it?
There's a million ways they could use language/ciphers/musical speech to create exceptionally cool ideas but we all know its going to be a rep timegate.
@@chrisanderson7820 Its the system you see at 35:00 Its currency related,timegated and you need to do it because it unlocks double legendary AND flying,making it mandatory, they cant help themselves
They're essentially just ripping off FFX and the Al Bhed Primers but instead of being a nice motivator for a NG+ run where you actually know what all of the Al Bhed are saying from the get go, it's just 100% a time gate mechanic. Lmao. They can't copy FF14 but they'll sure rip off another in the series 😂
Stuff like this sounds good on paper but you can not ignore the reality of how your playerbase opperates. WoWs community is extremely analytical, uses math and straight up simulations to solve everything, datamine every last sentence that can be found in the data and is also very good at solving puzzles and crowd sourcing problems. Just look at those secret mounts and what kind of crazy bs you have to do to get them and they still get solved relatively fast. Some kind of actual cypher would be solved day 1 with an add-on avaiable day 2. Why waste time on doing something like that only for 99% of the playerbase to download and add-on. You either would habe to make it super difficult like those secret mounts but now a normal player with his notepad has no chance at all or just accept that it is not worth it.
Its funny how they suddenly advertise this as "the final act" of the story. HMMMMM just like Final Fantasy 14 did for Endwalker. Those coincidences are just too funny sometimes.
Fucking right? Like my god I want wow to be a game I'd love to spend my money on but they are trying to copy certain aspects of ffxiv without realizing WHY it works for xiv in the first place.
The Endwalker of WoW should have been Legion. Wow could have went on just like Final Fantasy 14 will. But no. They have to drum up the same shit and always make the end boss the one behind everything for reasons. There could have been all new stories made in WoW but no. Signs of hack writers that know dick about the world they are writing for.
@@Keldiur Yeah the writer they hired... Like I have to assume they hired him not cause hes a good writer, but because hes cheap and wont haggle for better pay... otherwise idk why they keep him.
While nice, I cautiously expect no good/innovative stuff from Blizzard lately. They'll have to really outdo themselves like CRAZY to be able to pull people back in.
They look like the bastion covenant armor. Very lazy. I was expecting something really awesome. That’s on me I need to stop expecting anything good from this company anymore.
13:30 for Preach's reaction to the devs saying they've been awaiting the return of tier sets, when they're the ones who removed them in the first place.
The biggest issue I have with Warcraft is that they timegate everything to rely on WorldQuests and bs repeatable busy work and call it content. Just make fun content and make the story interesting. Have a few good quality cut scenes of the Jailer talking to someone explaining his motives and explaining why he is so pissed off at everything. Putting forth the bare minimum amount of effort to make the character feel believable can make people feel some sort of emotion.
@@mesothelimoa341 my god. FF14 has 90% filler quests, 5% solo duty challenges and 5% required dungeons. None of any of this reinvents the wheel and yet people do not care because the story told is well. You do not have to do the story in WoW and can skip all story in FF14. No one save the shaming community of FF14 could give a damn about you skipping the story (I do love ya FF14 community lol). Yet that does not excuse you for giving the people who do care a shit effort.
@@Keldiur I said nothing about innovating or doing anything special. I merely pointed out that, as cookie cutter and fillerish FF14s quests often are there is still some effort gone into them from a lore and world building point of view. WoW devs don't even go that far, they just make a couple of quests, slap them on a rotation for repeating and call it an expansion. Its embarrassing.
@jo tr WQ are the main content loop outside of mythics and pvp and are central to the Renown system. At least learn to spell before looking like a desperate fanboy.
What they *should* do for solving the cypher is hide notes and hints all over the zone in really cool ways and make you have to find them. No time gating, no rep grinding, just fun exploration. Hell, hide them all over the Shadowlands. What they'll do instead is probably stick books on a vendor gated behind rep where you decipher a few sigils each rep tier and that makes me sad.
They literally did this in Legion in Suramar, with the mana beacons and stuff. Just do that again. Why does Blizzard keep doing something well, that works great, and then just fucking pretending that never happened.
@@33-117 must be a slow rollout I guess. I still see the count on the videos. And this 9.2 is actually performing better than any slands video I think lol that's not saying a lot though
Imagine pretending its one big saga since warcraft3 like ff14 does with endwalker. Bruh steve just pulled jailer out of his ass and retconed the rest. So now whole warcraft lore is different Jailer’s minions fighting each other
I also love how this promotional video simply spoils virtually the entire story of this patch/expansion... You know, because MOST wow players are not at all interested in actually learning how the world works.
Exactly!! They spoiled the story of the patch in the whole video! They are fucking idiots, it’s so hilarious. At least with the FFXIV trailers, they have been extremely vague AF because they put in story snippets (in-game footage) that also includes gameplay footage of other content in their patch.
im glad i quit shadowlands early on, it feels like a fake expansion, and after playing ff14, the shadowlands feel so shallow and disconnecting. and with the in game lore being so incomplete you don't feel invested in any of the zones, or even the new faces you meet.
How far along in FFXIV? I ask because while the story is more cohesive in general in 14, some of it is pretty shallow. Zones included. There's a lot of toxic positivity surrounding FF right now so I'll probably be flamed for saying that, but I've had many hours in the game and realized at some point that it's not immune to some of the faults that every MMORPG shares.
@@mattt6201 If you get flamed, its because you're just saying that parts of the game are bad without giving specifics yourself. If I said that "Stormblood zones, especially Gyr Abania, were lacking and the pacing was all over the place" no one would flame me because I said exactly what I had a problem with and people can discuss specifics. That's not toxic positivity. People can just smell BS and don't want to argue with someone who can't back it up. You didn't just say that "FFXIV is shallow", you also immediately insulted the community as well in the same breath. You can trash FFXIV all the time, people do it all the time. But if you don't give specifics, no one is going to take you seriously. You won't run into "toxic positivity" about the game's PVP. Or the FOMO locked behind Feast. Or the Cruise Chaser mount. Or the fact that Shadowbringers Beast Tribes didn't get a finale. If you don't want people flaming you, stop trying to pick fights.
@@mattt6201 been playing for 3 months, finished the MSQ, 80NIN, 80 SCH, 70 MNK, 70WHM, 50 AST, and a 50BRD. the story definitely had its shallow points for sure, and certain world building questlines seem to drag on a bit. overall the story was amazing with unseen twists and turns, and with small details added in from previous quests and encounters from earlier quests/expansions that tie everything together.
@@mattt6201 also the obvious delay when using skills and abilities vs wow or something where it's very instant. but generally classes and combat feels really nice. im usually a big pvp player, and though i haven't done any yet, im glad there's at least the option, and it seems they're taking it much more seriously in the next expansion.
He's trying to retcon Blizzard's storytelling for the past 7 or so years, we're just blind to his true purpose and will only learn what we've done once the Jailor is dead and his plans are ruined
The Jailer: "I'm going to break the cycle of life and death! There will only be life eternal!" Logical person: "And that's bad because....?" Blizzard: "no! tHeRe MuSt Be DeAtH!"
@@Maria_Erias I mean, if he was only going to get rid of death, that could cause problems, but if he's "rewriting the laws of reality" he could just solve all those at the same time.
"events from Warcraft 3" oh you mean how you retconned like 40 years of history so you could shoehorn your Discount Thanos into the story and act like he was the architect of the Warcraft Universe the whole time. Sorry, Tite Kubo did this this better in Bleach when he created Aizen Sosuke, even then it left much to be desired.
FF14: My fallen brother saw you as a worthy inheritor to his soul. To honor his memory I entrust it to you. But soul alone will not make you a shinobi. No, this will require training of the body and mind. WoW: Me rogue. Me like pointy things.
There's been no reason to play anything blizzard ever since they molested a dev to suicide. Uninstalled everything blizzard and every day I feel better about my decision.
@@ryantwomey3463 well, Cata was still set in Azeroth and kinda down to earth coming from general warcraft lore. Also I think metzen stopped writing the story mid cata or so
@@Yaeshi he didn't. Chris was heavily involved in Pandaria storyline. And even after he left, there was some content that he left for us. Basically, the Metzen's WC story ended with Legion. From BfA Danuser had to make the story and lore by himself. And you can see how this turns out.
"Everything is completely unique and different: our trees are floating, the stones are floating, the massive forge is floating..." So it is more like everything is the same, just unable to stay grounded. Perhaps, a reflection on blizzard as a company.
Pro tip blizzard don’t introduce a character whose behind everything that’s ever happened apparently, and a completely new zones of areas we’ve never heard of or had referenced ever, and then. Instead of building things up you’re gonna have us fight and probably beat said big bad in the same xpac.
Just wait until they reveal the dumpster fire of the next expansion. They'll probably reveal the real reasons behind the Nipple Man's motivations, along with an even bigger baddie that he was trying to rewrite reality in order to combat.
@@ignispurgatorius5297 The One and Only, The More One and Only, The True One and Only, The Most Truly One and Only, The Most Definitely Truly One and Only, and so on
The WC3 comment is complete bull, as is the "alien" part of their design. The devs need to stop watching only post 2010 cartoons for ages 10 and under and experience some real fantasy shit. Because as you said, if they wanted to go for Lovecraftian, then they fell very short of it. I already said it in other places, but even during the classical periods people had more fantasy about what gods and their servants look like. Those simplified humanoids look very banale.
Lovecraftian horrors, First Testament's angels, Berserk's nightmare hellish world, Junji Ito's madness put into drawings. Even Interstellar and Inception movies have really great example of 4D and 5D worlds, where our laws of physics don't apply or feel extremly different. Inspiration of undescribable forms of life and impossible shapes exists in every kind of medias, and come from all eras of humankind History.
When you look at how crazy FFXIV gets with design, especially monsters this feels so lacking, to say you stretched anything is a lie, pretty much reimagining the same mobs you've reused before but with skins that fit the theme of the zone.
"It's actually unlike any water that we've seen before, because it's actually water that we can walk on..." /Shamans and DKs raise an eyebrow /Anyone who's gotten a water strider mount: "Um..."
How to ruin immersion, presence and character in three easy steps : 1) Make buildings and landscape elements float. 2) Make characters that have geometrical shapes instead of faces. 3) Make creatures and characters that have body parts joined by force fields. Easy !
Can someone help me here? In 9.0 the theory was that the Jailer used Sylvannis to get more souls to fuel his power, etc. but the reason she actually broke the barrier between the two worlds was because the Jailer really wanted the soul of the the Titan that is in Azeroth...but now with 9.1 (which granted, I didn't play) and 9.2, it seems his goal was always to get to this other place...so why did Sylvannis open the barrier between two worlds? Did he need Anduin that badly? He also took Jaina, Thrall and Bane and the were just tossed away or we got them back and he didn't care. So by defeating the Jailor at the end of 9.2, do we win only because he's stupid and basically opens the gate between worlds when he didn't need too?
@@liucconen Anduin get the "Sigil" from the Bastian person, but I don't know if the Jailer actually needed Anduin to do that, or he just used Anduin because he was available. I stopped playing very early in 9.1, so maybe there's a real explanation, but I haven't heard one yet.
These are the questions that they allegedly are going to answer...but let's be honest, none of it matters as none of it makes sense. They have attempted to force in the SL when we shouldn't even be talking about it. SL was only interesting because it was unknown. We now know it is made up of incredibly stupid and vapid characters created by...someone who is like totally better then the Titans. IDK. Call my jaded, but this is just trash.
So basicly the entire story of the patch is just a ripped of version of the story of Wildstar, where you travel to an planet with an extinct race, the Elders, which used the planet to experement... sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it.
The lore doesn't match up because they ret conned it. When they talk about features all I've gotten from it is timegated, Sylvanas redemption arc, timegated rep grind, timegated linguistics to even try to understand. Tier sets, cool, but the rest is a wtf.
There isn't going to be a 9.3. In Steve's delusional head, Shadowlands is the "third act", with WC3 being the first, and WOW up until SL being the second. He is acting like his retcon crap has always been part of the lore, when it doesn't fit into the universe at all. So it's even worse than you think. It's great that even people *who aren't really into the game's lore* are rejecting this drivel. BFA certainly had its issues, but the story was at least (somewhat) interesting and it fit into the world. Shadowlands does NOT fit into the Warcraft universe *at all*. It could possibly work as its own IP, but even then you can't have a main villian with NO DEVELOPMENT OR MOTIVATIONS.
i think he was saying that the shadowlands expansion itself was a 3 act story, but was very unclear about it. 9.1 for example had a questline referencing the "second act" or "act 2" of the story. BUT i completely agree with you, they're trying WAY too hard to fit a square peg into a round hole and really taking liberties by saying it has always been tied into WC3
@@mr_huntie Same thing Sakamoto did with Other M. Taking retcons he JUST put in, acting like they were always present, and trying to take credit for all the story and worldbuilding other people did before he came in. He's trying to act like he singlehandedly wrote the entire Warcraft story by himself.
@@StormsparkPegasus oh 100% and imo he needs to stop it b/c the ENTIRE community has eyes and ears. those of us that played WC3 and have all the books etc. we all KNOW he's just giving us straight up BS. i'm not trying to argue that in the slightest haha
This started in W3?? We must have played different games then. You can't just pull "The first ones" out of your ass and say that this has been the part of the plan the whole time......
Rewrite the rules of the universe: 1. Stuff in your fridge doesn't go bad any more. 2. No more hangovers. 3. Flying sky whales 4. Self-refilling beer bottles. 5. Sentient stuff no one, not even Blizzard understands. 6. The return of dignity and integrity outside of the game but inside the company.
"Are they going to time gate it" literally why i think the whole team needs to be fired. They are too set in their ways of the garbage game design they have been doing for so many expansions now. Correcting years of faulty thinking is going to be really hard to do. In the very lead the lead guys need to be replaced with new, fresh thinking people
Right out of the gate, Preach nails it. All those questions i have been asking since I started, and I follow the lore. its like they are making it up as you go along. My concern is the gameplay, the rest is window dressing
I love how they literally copied this species, from shadow bringers, the way they look, the way they speak, the way they sound, the way the player interprets their speech, and the way the character speech. And the way it's all weird wacky technology.
"We REALLY stretched our creativity of what creatures would be here!"
-Shows a frog, snail and chicken. haha
Don't forget the spider lol
The way they describe it, it should be a nightmare of unrecognizable creatures and impossible landscape.
@@Percopius that requires programming and new models and animatios. Of course they wont do that.
"floating rocks and trees" -.... Soooooo Nagrand?
@@skyclaw36 I literally thought the same. I mean it looks gorgeous as usual but it's basically just Nagrand as a botanical garden with Shadowlands architecture all over it and a slightly faded colour palette. I kinda laughed when they described the raid as "something that shouldn't be able to exist" when it's basically just another titan ("super-titan", excuse me) facility. It looks good but they are really overselling it.
Preach: "Is this Bastion? Zandalar?"
Blizzard: "This is unlike anything we've ever seen before!"
It's scholazar basin.
Has a dash of pandaria too to me.
Nagrand. "Floating Trees. Floating Islands. Floating everything. Also water btw.".... hrm
@@Manicca Like how they make it seem like that be alien to us. Ooo Floating trees... never seen that before. 🙄
@@Manicca obviously they didnt play their own game so these all are now to them
"We're walking on water -for some reason-"
I can't keep my mouth shut on how much this represents the way blizzard worked in the past years.
It's the perfect combination of doing something for no reason and also not knowing why they do it.
They truly believe walking on water is novel and cool, not like it is in the game since Vanilla.
Blizzard has no real talent and imagination left. It's a shell. The name doesn't mean anything anymore. It's nothing but a facade now.
'Our artists visited weird places in the real world for inspiration'
Bruh 🙃
And thinking it's cool.
Tell me you don't play then game you develop without telling me you don't play the game you develop.
He UNIRONICALLY said we're walking on water like there aren't 2 classes in the game that can do at will. One of them can even mount while walking on water. Not to much that just last expansion they introduced mount equipment that let's anyone of any class with any mount walk on water.
I'm beside myself... don't get me started about how novel "floating trees and rocks" are. Nagrand would like to have a word with you.
2021 Dev Team: "Completely unique, and completely different. Our trees here are floating. We have stones that are floating."
2007 Expansion: "Am I a joke to you?"
I love that they have to make a video to explain the story for us rather than explain it in the game.
probably not allowed to tell it in the game because how do you sell all those juicy books than ? :D such a idiotic concept of storytelling of a game....
"we wanted to make something completely unique"
"floating stones"
LMAO
I just awaited a "we all float down here" coming out of Christies mouth as her theet started to grow sharper and her eyes glow yellow, when she started with the floating spam...
This has GW2 Asura written all over it
Ion lifts his head from the pile of cocaine on the hookers ass in the server room
"So what if... like... we had ground... bunt not ground cause its in the air! woahhhhh"
*rest of the devs mumble in vague agreement as the continue playing call of duty*
It wouldn't be bad if they weren't jerking off over how unique and amazing water, floating stones, and rock animals are. All while the whole story is a huge ass pull with zero setup or foreshadowing. Not to mention how weird it feels for this shit to be "behind everything we have ever experienced".
Wasn't it cosmic and epic enough for Azeroth to be a fucking titan? If the "first ones" (very creative name btw, otherwise it would have been hard to tell they were old) and this forge has created all existence, did they make the titans? If they made the titans, why don't the titans ever talk about the first ones even though the titans clearly are very high in the hierarchy of power and knowledge.
The whole Azeroth is a titan world soul thing, it had so much potential story telling. It would have actually been foreshadowed. Imagine if instead of whatever the fuck was BFA, we got a story of us delving deep into the history and development of Azeroth. How the races native to it were evolved from titan constructs because of the old gods. Maybe tell us how Azeroth itself feels, why she has not woken up. This could even turn into something like giving us her point of view instead of Magni just claiming he has it without sharing any details. Imagine if the story was that Azeroth was meant to wake up, but the constructs that were corrupted to become alive grew dear to the world soul. So she felt like a mother to the people that lived on her, and knowing we would all die if she woke up, she chose to sleep.
"we wanted to work with in an incredibly low art budget"
> Closing one book on the Warcraft Saga.
Sargeras must be crying in his jail cell right now.
Its sad. The leader of the burning legion. The Fallen Titan who created an army and invaded Azeroth 4 times with his minions. Over 3 RTSes and slowly building up for 13 years. Nope, everything was this guy we had no contact with for 3 years out of nowhere.
Sargeras being defeated should have been the ending chapter and to build anew. Nope, need to drag this out for ????
Yeah that's a total punch in the teeth and is almost GUARANTEED to be PR fluff.
No kidding - Sargeras and the Legion, that was stuff that was seeded in Warcraft *1*. As far as we all knew, Legion was the end of that huge chapter and BFA was starting a new one.
First Ones are basically Titans 2.0.
shaking
Blizzard, the masters of time-gating, have managed to even time-gate quest dialogue...amazing.
Yeah when they said. You will eventually learn the language. All i heard was, after you do enough world quests...
Gonna time gate my wallet until next expansion.
They did that even in tbc with the isle of quel dalas however the fuck you spell it
Next patch: a land like we've never seen before, used to create the fabric of Zereth Mortis!
This feels like the emerald dream of emerald dream. And even some of the styling seems ported over.
Also next expansion, the Jailer will say "Shadowlands was merely a setback".
😂
This comment is PURE WIN!
And where is it on the moon ofcourse because WoW gota follow all the way with copying endwalker after shoving the "plot threads from the entire series" bs.
"The First Ones created the universe... as far as we know."
They word it like that so they can introduce the Super-Titans 10 years from now when they've done with the First Ones.
That's how they tell a story, arbitrary strings of nothing that are meant to make you wonder what's coming next but are delivered so often and in such a soulless way you don't care anymore.
The First One's ARE the new Titans because they realized they scrapped the patheon in Legion and now have no mysterious creator characters to rely on.
The original twist of the Titans being dead should have stayed.
Zero ones and Minus first ones pog
I can't wait to hear about the first first-ones who made the super titans, who made the first-ones who made the titans. It will be such good lore 🙃
I laughed so hard when they said that they are excited to bring tier sets back - you are THE DEVELOPERS, it was YOUR CHOICE to remove them in the first place. These people are either on some hard copium or just delusional. There is no hope for this game, none whatsoever. FF14 is awesome in comparison, same with SWTOR.
Also, "water we can walk on" is called ice, I have it every winter.
Hard copium and delusional are the same thing though….
Trying to frame it like they’re the good guys for bringing it back
They "tried" what it be like if they remove them. Don't be stupid.
In a world where i can cast a fireball, morph someone into a sheep, mount a flying griffon, teleport myself to somewhere else
Walking on water is probably THE MOST NORMAL THING I DO AT THIS POINT
Wtf are these dev smoking
It was said by the senior level designer so it is the art team. It could be she meant that the art developer team was excited to create the tier sets again not that the whole team was excited to bring them back. Generally the art team has no say in whether to bring tier sets back.
yes the Primus has us retrieve some spare sigils he kept lying around up in the attic like an extra set of christmas lights.
I just hope we don't have to untangle 'em...
Don't forget the glitter though, most important part of the tree.
Also, decorating a tree in wow with unique items and textures sounds more fun than this
Preach: "Jailor wants to use the code to rewrite the universe, do we know why?"
Answer: He's been playing wow the last 4 years, wouldn't you?
They took something meant to incentivize new game + play throughs in old games like ffX with its al bhed primers and such and applied it to an mmo as a form of timegating. What a shit fucking idea.
HAHAHAHAAH🤣
@@prisoner817 lmfao they sure did! I don’t understand the time-gating in this game. It’s so stupid.
LOL
“ events foreshadowed in Warcraft 3” bullllllllllllllllll. The jailer is one of the most empty villains I have ever seen.
Half of the Shadowlands story goes directly against the lore established in WC3. The fact that he could even tell that shit on camera with a straight face talls you all you need to know about what kind of "writer" he is.
@@MrFuckingKololo FFXIV concludes their saga, so we need to conclude something too 🤔
Yeah ,no foreshadowing at all ,wc3 is about burning legion and dreadlord ,big bad sargeras and archimond
Dude shadowlands is retcon the expansion thats not fun to play either
Once again - I know the wow hate is all the rage for kids these days - but there actually is ties directly to wc3
"look at this impossible sky"
_< shows a perfectly normal blue sky >_
Ah yes. Quite impossible indeed.
_< remembers the dark sky of Outland with vast flows of energy traversing it >_
Yup.
_< sighs >_
All of the "new, unique, alien" of Zerith Mortis is stuff we've seen before. Floating islands with waterfalls from nowhere? Yeah, Nagrand in Outland. Lush, slightly odd plant life? All over AU Draenor, Freya's world, and the Legion worlds we went to during the Legion assaults. Strange objects with unknown purposes? Storm Peaks, Uldum, and probably other places I can't be bothered to remember.
Zerith Mortis is literally a mishmash of stuff they've done before, and so uninteresting that the thing they rave about the most is that OMG YOU CAN WALK ON THE WATER!
I have no idea what they are talking about when they say "alien". Its just a combo of Bastion + Zangarmarsh.
@@chrisanderson7820 I am now referring to Zerith Mortis as Bastionmarsh. That's all it is, after all.
blizzard: "We make the zone as alien as possible"
GW2: You've copied my homeworks you asshole.
I haven't felt my intelligence as insulted as when they said this has been a whole saga since WC3.
Mhm I felt the same way. Every Warcraft fan fiction put together is more of a saga than this.
I legitimately want to know if there's *anyone* out there who honestly believes that horseshit.
Not even in California can what they're smoking be legal.
The only tie to WC3 here is that it shares the same name as the final mission in the RoC campaign. To quote Varimathras: _"Very subtle..."_
Exactly, is as if they hastly thought about summarizing the whole thing just like FF in the last few weeks. They have an expansion to finish it and wow has a patch.
Yup, I too have had a "wait what?" moment when they acted as if this was a proper continuation of WC3's Lore and not a retcon-fest.
My friends have too. Bellular has. Preach even with his limited knowledge of the Lore went "is this true?" because you can smell the bullsh!t a mile away.
As always, my deepest sympathies to all the talented artists working at Blizz.
I know, right?? Everything looks like hot garbage. That’s why I never liked WoW. It’s too cartoony and childish looking.
The art team is always and I mean always carrying
@@adamslosslessmusiccollection Even as a joke this doesnt make sense or fit contextually with the OP's comment. Wtf are you talking about.
@@skeetzneph870 I don't think so anymore. Especially after experiencing other games.
Especially the animations turned to absolute garbage. And the zone is one of the least interesting I have ever seen..
And I have also seen this kind of areas before. A lot. Done better.
Blizzard isn't good anymore. You just seem to be out of touch with the wide variety of other games, that do it a lot better already.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother I wasn’t joking. WoW looks like garbage. Hell, FFXI even has better graphics than WoW.
Man you know the lore is in a rough state when Nobbel is like idk.
It wouldn't be so swiss cheese, if they'd stop putting it out of the damn game. Maybe delve into further information and add more detail, but the purpose of trying to put story in the damn game is to actually have the whole thing there. What's sad, is that vanilla had a stronger storyline than current... and it's lore was hidden and required digging...
Jailer wants to rewrite the Universe and make the entirety of existence a realm of death, in which all will serve him and have no free will
I mean, all I know is "all will serve". Do we know "realm of death" for certain, or is that speculation?
Imagine your entire brand being tied to "WoW Storytelling" in 2021. Nobbel has to feel like he's actually dead and in his own personal Maw at this point.
Nobbel is outttt
That new zone architecture looks like the developers were playing Guid Wars 2 as Asura
Bro I though the same. The buildings and the whole "Living mechanicals beings" are straight out of the Asura zone.
Man same. First I thought of. Probably not far off the mark, creativity is dead. This expac we just had vampires, zombies, angels and fae, depicted sliiightly different from common tropes, why not rip off another game too?
Metrica Province
will they multiverse and create afterlives that are just knock offs of other games. we have discount GW2, will we get a discount FFXIV afterlife next, maybe a discount TESO afterlife following that?
Lol, had same idea 🤣👍
The tier sets LITERALLY look exactly like the level 50-59 green items you get from trash mobs whilst leveling
Mate to me the tier sets look like shit. The rogue helm it's cool but overall looks like shit, nothing like a tier set that every time scream class fantasy, now get fuck this is zone theme even when it will looks like the greens and blues you were getting in 9.0
@@Kanamon22 facts bro that's exactly what I thought to. The concept art looks fucking sick... but the execution in game is awful
Yea it's awful...
@@Foretelling good thing we can Tmog over them..cause i literally don't care what they look like im going for POWER lvl im numbers guy i only care how much % they will give over some diff item :D
"They need to repair the hole in the sky"
There has been a giant sword in Silithus for the last 3 years, can't count on them repairing the mess Sylvanas did to the sky.
at this point im convinced if azeroth ever awakens as a full titan she's just gonna wear the sword as a belly piercing
I mean we did "deal " with the sword.
It's the lore reason for why we dont have the heart of azeroth anymore.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother the sword is still in the planet
And we technically still have Heart of Azeroth, lore implications of why we can't use it in Shadowlands is that we're not on Azeroth anymore so Heart is useless
@@Amandor2011 No the lore implication of why we cant use it is because we ALL siphoned our 80+ HoA levels into the sword to "pacify/drain" it. Were you there for the end of 8.3 or are you just talking through your ass pretending to know what you're talking about?
The reason we still have the necklace is because its a fucking game. GAMEPLAY REASONS if it wasnt obvious enough to you. The same reason we can still use legacy gear in timewalking etc.
Yes, they could have done something more. Like actually removing the sword. But dont act like it's just sitting there as an unresolved plot point when it was the finale of BFA.
It wasnt a good finale, but it happened.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother So, Heart of Azeroth came AFTER we cleansed the corrupting energies from the sword. The wounding of Azeroth happened at the end of LEGION, 7.3, we had to use our artifact weapons to help with the situation, that's in the game itself our artifact weapons were overloaded. If you check Antorus on warcraftlogs, you even have "normal artifacts" and "empowered artifacts" sets of logs. The Heart of Azeroth used up (almost) all collected azerite, aye, but it was to superfriendshipkamehame N'Zoth and the Black Empire into oblivion, but as far as I remember, it wasn't totally burned out like the artifacts. But that last part could be wrong.
How'd you put it? "Were you there for the end of 7.3 and 8.3 or are you just talking through yur ass pretending to know what you're talking about?"
"You know how FF14's story feels like a constant build upon what came before with a clear vision for where they wanted to go since the beginning? Well WoW does that too. We promise. Please believe us. Don't think too hard about this claim. Do not think about how many times we had to retcon our story between Warcraft and WoW up to now."
"Yes champion, we have always put the entire story inside the game, we have never put vital information to understanding the game behind books, comics or lore bibles we consistently retcon."
FF14 has had retcons* before. Now with the asterisk that its always been setup before as "We don't know a lot about X but I believe after I've done a study that this is the answer!" and then they do some more study and are like "Oh okay, I see now before was wrong, if I were to theorize it would be like this...?" So instead of giving absolute hardcore facts. All the story is always poised from characters in the story that has a bias. And that's also often telegraphed. So it never feels like a retcon when they explain stuff. Instead its the character that's misinformed, lying or was simply wrong and then admits to it. They also do all of this ingame and NOT via a encyclopedia that is marketed as the explanation for everything and then it becomes a lie later anyway.
@@TheRedAzuki Wow also tends to say something isnt what we thought it was and if you go back and look at it theres litterally 0 hint to most of what the call the "real" lore where in 14 you go back and look at things and you go yea that makes sense because they set up the threads of things but its things you cant see without context WoW forces that context without putting the threads there to begin with just gota accept it because we say so.
@@TheRedAzuki That would be an in-universe breakthrough, rather than a retcon. This works because everything established in FF14 is not treated as hard facts and even the most fundamental of principles can be called into question when new phenomenon arises. If a breakthrough doesn't explain everything, and we're left wondering about the unexplainable elephant in the room; the characters will also express this unexplainable elephant in the room -- Which oddly enough adds to the realism that this is how real world scientist operates too.
@@TheRedAzuki they also write the story with a plan so the 'retcons' dont actually change the rules its just a realization about how things always worked. thats why the big reveals always feel super good in ff.
The story of SL is like a kid without his Ritalin medication who’s hit their fatigue point during 9.0 and just wants to finish their homework now and go to bed.
That couldn’t be said any better 👏🏻
@@adamslosslessmusiccollection Just a broken machine stuck in the same loop finally running out of batteries and dying... Hauntingly accurate.
“We’re walking on water for some reason” I’ve played a Tauren shaman since 07’ soooooo
New patch probably removes water walking from shamans. Haha
@@christopherstoner2059 Unexpectedly snorted my coffee on this comment.
*Smiles in path of frost*
Don't let these things distract you from the fact that Baine is still sitting in Oribos. For more than 1 year now.
That’s no bull!
Lmaooooo
The jailer introduced baine to buttplugs and his had to sit there for a year and rethink his life.
Just like the rest of the people still playing
considering how useless he was, he's better off sitting this one out.
Wow devs: oh ff14 is goin finish their story arc, we should do it do guys!
While yelling FIRST!
WoW has always cribbed from other games and it's usually a good thing. If it makes the game better overall, I'm fine with Blizzard hijacking FFXIV's cliff notes.
@@mung01re There is taking mechanics, and then there is taking story beats and plot elements as if the writers weren't writing their own story at all, but just doing knee-jerk developments to follow trends. No one minds if WoW takes a mechanic from one game and adds it to their own, people can smell BS plagerism when Endgame comes out and the final boss is just a cheap Thanos copy.
@@GetterRay There is no such thing as a plot element that hasn't been taken already. There are more musical expressions than plot elements and we already have a supercomputer that has generated all the ones that can theoretically exist. Reply with something you think is truly unique and I will find 10 stories 10x older. There is nothing new under the Sun. Humans have been around too long for that.
@@Kjetilstorm Yes, yes, hero with a thousand faces and all that, that's not exactly a mind blowing insight there. FFXIV itself takes plot elements from its own franchise and recycles it over and over. I'm not talking about broad platitudes here but specific examples. Everyone can smell the BS and desperation from the writing team and its obvious. They suddenly want to pretend like they've been working on the first chapter of a long 20 year story arc and it comes off as pathetic because it clearly isn't. It does look like "hey FFXIV says they're closing their first major arc, lets pretend like we've been planning this for 20 years and not 10".
"That's the mage one I guess" - This perfectly exemplifies the fact that those tier sets don't convey enough of the class fantasy to be easily identifiable.
The Shaman one is the only one that remotely looks like the class. You could randomly swap around the 3 caster sets periodically and nobody would be able to tell the difference.
@@karrotlord They all look vaguely like the blue set you can get just after reaching 60... but with more effort invested. imho. It doesn't surprise me that they think class fantasy is dead.
Further evidence to me that these were just questing gear sets that they slapped together as tier after people complained and the subs tarted dropping
that's the limitation of Cloth for ya.
And its apparently the warlock one. Not that theres any real way to tell.
The bitter cynic in me is seeing that "This is a cumulation of a saga since WC3" them trying to go "SEE? SEE WE'RE JUST LIKE FFXIV, WE CAN SET UP LONG STORY THREADS YEARS IN THE MAKING!!!!!"
I mean that is exactly what this is. They've been transparently trying to imitate the FF14 style of storytelling, complete with ingame conversation cutscenes (which don't really work because WoW models are rather cartoony with exaggerated expressions meant to be readable from a distance).
thats sad ... knowing ffxiv devs initially imitating WoW first
It's being realistic, not cynic. If you know the lore you know they are full of shit, they retcon the retcons so much.
I'm so insulted by this I've been rewriting this repeatedly for 15 mins because no comment could capture my disgust at this.
@@zentyrant They imitated it to realize it doesn't work and expansion after expansion they removed WOW like systems or things deemed the enemy of playing a game for fun. Still have those grinds if you want to do them but they're far from time gating. The only time gating things they have is like sending shit out to explore which is just extra stuff doesn't hinder you at all like a Gacha game saying you can't farm.
The Devs also just told us everything we need to know about the lore xD Great, no need to resub for any of that. Thanks devs!
I mean tbh. when was the last time where resubbing for the lore made sense? I can't think about a single time. Cinematics go to TH-cam anyways and the story gets covered by TH-camrs too.
Supposedly the origin of the entire WoW universe and the best they can come up with is walkable water and floating trees.
Ah yes, a place never seen before, so different, so indescribable. floating trees and walkable water....
@@Stolas727 And floating rocks, just like 2007 Nagrand. Such innovation.
What should it look like?
@@Nightstalker314 That's exactly the point. As a concept, it's so unknowable that it shouldn't be touched with a 100-foot pole if you're trying to write a story about it; at least, not if you're going to physically manifest it. No matter how it comes out, it won't encapsulate the grandiosity of what the grand cosmos is played up to be
@@cousinrolf871 This.
Zovaal wants to rewrite the rules of the Universe.
Roughly translated, he also wants to go to Eorzea so he's going to tear reality apart to do so.
Zovaal had such a hard time giving Square Enix his money that he now has to bend reality in order to make it easier...
@@BritishTeaFGC Poor Zovaal.. all he ever wanted was to be a decently written villain.
@@mesothelimoa341 yet Zovaal doesn’t even state why he wants to rewrite the rules of the universe lol
I hear rewrite the rules of reality and think... "aaaaand?" Like, tell me why I should care? What's the end result? Maybe Zovaal ain't a bad guy, maybe the rules of reality kind of suck, maybe his alternative isn't that bad. Again, why should I care?
Zovaal-I need to speak to Zenos. He must have some tips on how to improve! Must…break…through..!’
Zovaal, darling, the first tip here is that you need to recognize the player character. The second is that you need to stalk them. Abusive backstory optional.
The world in Shadowlands felt so incredibly alien to me. But not in a good way. Apart from that one-off quest where you live through that farmer when the scourge breaks out and he dies, it was just disconnected from any relatability. It looks like they continue to double down and we are going deeper into the origin of all essense of what the fuck ever. I could not care less and I have checked out long ago. There is no human story, no matter what anyone says. This is beyond shark jumping
Yeah Shadowlands feels like a disconnect and then this Zerith Mortis place just feels like a Disconnect from a disconnect.
“That farmer”.. RIP Ben Howell
I really wanted to like where they were going with the story here. Going into the afterlife was a really cool idea, but they have totally ruined it by adding WAY too much mystery and ambiguity. We can't hate or disagree with the Jailer. We don't know wtf he's trying to do. We have to just assume Sylvanas is an idiot for "accidentally being a pawn" in his plans because we still don't know why they were even coordinating.
Jailer- "Hey if you commit mass genocide and help release me from the Maw then I can change the way death works!"
Sylvanas- "I'm in!"
Jailer- "wh... really? that's it? you're in?"
Sylvanas- "you got it."
Jailer- "don't want to know how or why or literally anything else at all?"
Sylvanas- "I'm good" ~lights world tree on fire~
Also Sylvanas a little later after literally serving- "I. Will. Never. Serve."
I mean we DO know what he's trying to do though.....
Pay attention to the Anduin and Sylvannas cutscenes and you'll realise that the Jailer is looking to replace the "order" of the entire universe with his own "Domination order". As to what that actually entails if he's successful is the unknown part. (Here's a hint... itll be like being trapped inside a rape dungeon for the rest of eternity for everybody)
I mean for fucks sake just look at the name of the patch... "Chains of domination".... Hmmmm i wonder if the jailer is trying to dominate the universe? Fuck it couldnt be.
Its actually blatantly obvious if you people would look past your noses for 2 minutes. WoW's not doing great, but the hive-mind uninformed hate is just becoming fucking cringe.
You probably dont even play the game and i wont blame you for that, but this whole "we dont even know what the jailers doing" thing is just ignorant bullshit. Its more than clear what is going on. You dont even need to read the quest text to pick up on it.
Its becoming too trendy to hate on WoW. People are spewing straight bullshit as their reasoning for "quitting the game" and im just sitting here watching it happen like bruh..... wtf is wrong with you people. Half the C*nts dont even know what theyre complaining about they just regurgitate some shit from a Belullar video.
And i'll be the first to admit. WoW's shit atm. Dont even fucking start on the "shill" bullshit. But seriously the ignorant hate is super cringe. Obviously some of the Sylvannas story beats were trash. But to sit there and act like you dont know what the jailers doing is PURE ignorance and probably disdain to confirm your bias. Nothing more.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother well how come he's trying to change "order" of the universe? just curious since I've seen people say they don't know why he's considered an antagonist simply because he wants to change how things work.
@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother *why* is the jailer going to this place?
"To rewrite the laws of the universe",
okay but why would he want to do that?
"Because he was banished for unknown acts"
suure,but whats he gonna rewrite them into?
"He's gonna rewrite them to his domination laws"
Great,how is that any worse than what we have now? Why should i care,what are the stakes and motivations other than *booo he gonna rewrite reality so scawy*
The jailer is a thanos knockoff,but they removed every single movie and you only see half of avengers endgame.
He literally says a total of 10 lines in the entire game,and half are like "hah,mortals you can't stop me"
Like bruh
@@dafire9634 I guess we forgot that the Jailer was locked up for ???? years and wasnt always bad. I guess you're not fully comprehending what it means when i say *Everybody, locked inside a rape dungeon for the rest of eternity*
If you cant see the stakes there, thats on you.
They have actually explained why he's bad AND its wildly evident what he's trying to achieve. Ive already explained what that entails and the game does too. All of your questions are literally answered if you look past your nose and read inbetween the lines for 1 millisecond.
Its just ignorance to pretend otherwise.
Whether you think he's a Thanos rip off or not isnt even relevant. People are just jumping on the hate train because thats whats popular right now.
There's a lot of things you can criticise Shadowlands for but this is not one of them.
I get that WoW's in a ditch atm. But the braindead hivemind is so fucking cringe.
Like what did you need an entire encyclopaedia on the Jailers daily life prior to being the Jailer? How much *More* needs to be explained to you before you're happy. Judging the WoW community atm they could give you every detail down to the second he was taking each breath and you would still find something to criticise and talk shit about. Theres a lot we dont know about Sargeras but no ones asking questions.
We are also not at the end of the story arch, theres a lot of things we were probably meant to learn but never will now because theres no 9.3. Let alone whatever we will learn in 9.2.
Again, You can hate on WoW for a lot of things. But dont pretend like you dont know what the main villain is doing. It has been explained to you over 1.5 patches now. Maybe pay attention more? Its blatantly obvious.
Also Thanos didnt enslave everyone based on a personal grudge, you're literally the type of person im talking about. Hivemind trend follower. You looked at a Bellular comment section and that has literally formed your opinion in its entirety. Ive seen your comment typed out atleast 100 times now.... Think for yourself bruh.
So by their own words, in Zerath Mortis, we should see EVERYTHING that should EVER be in EVERY possible realm we may EVER visit. They need to stop going grander than they could ever deliver. It's just one disappointment after another when you do that. The "First Ones" are not here. This is a machine on auto piolet. And I am sorry but everything they are showing us about ZM looks exactly like something we could see on Azeroth and the Shadow Lands. What could one possibly mean by defying physics when we already exist in a fantasy world?
This screams Marvel's Eternals. Celestials, Eternals, Celestial Seed named "The Dreamer" inside planet Earth....
As many have said, WHY are we trying to stop Zoval? What does he even want to actually do? Maybe it would be something we could want to happen. Nobody knows.
Zoval wants to return class design and gear progression back to 5.4 and bring back reforging, glyphs, and old gemming
There was a popular theory in 9.0 that the Jailer wanted the soul of the Titan growing in Azeroth, otherwise why bother opening the portal to Azeroth? Even though we have no idea why he is doing what he is doing, the only reason we are there is because he opened the door and left it in the sky. So he basically called the cops on himself before trying to commit the crime.
@@andrewshandle He wanted Azeroth as his waifu but understand she's underaged so he called himself so he wouldnt be a pedo.
Zovaal is trying to rewrite reality so he can have an ice cream cone his size and get a friend to talk to.
Without spoilers, Shadowbringers spends an ENTIRE expansion making sure you know the Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How of the Antagonists plan. It's fed to you slowly, in an interesting way, and ACTUALLY has threads that weave back throughout the entire game's story. This, by comparison, is a straight up insult to the players' intelligence..
It's almost like one game has a team that has a plan for the story, and the other cannibalized parts of the story to fit whatever mcguffin they are going to have us find to solve all our problems.
@@TheMidWave Leave us not forget that the McGuffin gives us some form of power that goes away at the end of the expansion, because why would we get more powerful as heroes... so they can keep treading over the same ground three xpacs in a row without having to figure out new talents or skills to give us.
I've just started Shadowbringers, but you even saw pieces of Shadowbringers story from way back in one of Heavenswards patches with the warriors of darkness. They've had this story ready years in advance.
@@Soress9 back in heavensward yoshi told everyone that the team had most of the major plot points already figured out for this storyline and that they were working on future plotlines, to know that this is how far out he was talking was exciting to see come to fruition.
To use anime examples, FF14 is One Piece, while WoW is Bleach.
Yup they have done it. They have timegated actual npc dialogue
didn't they already do that with the covenants?
@@Nirual86 lol your right. That's fair point
Jfc... It's a fun idea for design, but I guess people will always believe everything that Blizzard do will always be time gating.
Complain about the Raid being timegated, this dialogue thing us minor to be fun, that's all.
@@MrJesuisOMG they earned that reputation entirely of their own accord. You cant blame people for being cynical when you have 10+ years of shitty game design and condescending behaviour behind you.
@@rjg27 I'm aware. But the cynicism is eye rolling at how people nitpick at everything. Ahn'Qiraj had "timegating". Isle of Thunder. ICC. Suramar.
Doesn't even make sense that people want everything open instantly to just rush through everything and then complain about "no content" at week 2.
When done well, it leads to narrative and buildup for the moments to come, as an actual RPG journey, this dialogue can be one of those.
"Yeah we planned out for Shadowlands to only have 2 major content patches."
Did you know Final Fantasy XIV has a free trial...
Like, in a world where FFXIV, Warframe and Path of Exile exist, this is NOT good value for your money OR your good will.
The "saga starting in WC3" part is total bs.
Hey could be worse
They could have gone with WC1
After all, you do get some NPCs from BotDP in TBC so, heh :p
Someone had to tell him "I don't think that word means what you think it means" ... This ain't no Saga.
Poor Ner'zhul... Had his soul tortured by Sargeras and then infused into the Helm to become the Lich King. Only for Blizzard to turn around and say "lol no, it was actually the jailer".
"We wanted to make this area feel completely alien.
So we made EVERYTHING FLOAT."
I like the idea of the cypher a lot, kind of like learning the Al Bhed's language in FFX in order to learn more about the lore, NPC dialogue etc. But knowing Blizzard, they'll gate it behind fucking dailies, so it'll be wasted.
Its the system you see at 35:00
Its currency related,timegated and you need to do it because it unlocks double legendary AND flying,making it mandatory, they cant help themselves
@@dafire9634 fucking hell lol they'll never learn
@@dafire9634 I am still trying to work out if double legendary is worth it as a Frost Death Knight, none of the covenant legendary buffs actually increase the effectiveness of the covenant abilities for us, so from a covenant legendary perspective I have 4 relatively bad choices to choose from so the question becomes is the ilvl increase enough to be worth farming it and that's probably going to depend on slots I guess
So at the end of the Shadow -bringer- lands expansion we have the End -walker- of Eternity patch? Okay.
that's the Warhammer, err, the Warcraft way.
@@Percopius wow haha
Endwalker - End of Dragons - Eternity's End. The end of the MMORPG!
Complete with a rebuilt, ancient city full of faceless, ‘enlightened ones’ who communicate with mysterious sounds we can all somehow understand........ I wonder how they thought of that one?!?!
Eww mixing the weeb game with warcraft
Blizzard: this new zone is something you haven't seen before
ArenaNet: have you not seen the asura starting zone?
Exaclty what i thought ! This looks nothing new.
it's literally just suramar + nagrand
themes of mobs are straight out of immortal hulk , and the first ones are just precursors from jak n daxter with the same looking "oribos" stuff.
"Players have been waiting a long time for tier sets to return" PFFFFT - you think I waited around when I saw where the ship was heading?
Toward the iceberg at a medium pace?
"we know players have been waiting a long time for the game to be good, and as devs, so have we!"
"The jailer doesn't want power, he just wants to go to a place of power to rewrite reality."
... that would mean he wants to use that power to use himself? They really just thru that in there and didn't think it thru.
"Hey, Thanos was really popular in the MCU movies...oh, let's do that with the Jailer! We'll make it that he has a purpose and its not to just take over!"
"Shouldn't we tell people what that is?"
"Nah, why would we do that?"
Its not really new that they are retroactively changing the motives of their characters. I bet we would find some interview of some dev explaining, how the Jailers thing is power or escaping the maw with some effort. But at this point, it isnt really surprising that even Danuser doesn't know the motives of the very characters he wrote into the game. How on earth would you come to the conclusion, that a character that uses Domination magic, which is the very exertion of power over another being, isn't after exactly that.
More than that: If not to make himself in charge of creation or the shadowlands or whatever the Sepulcher is capable of, what exactly is his goal then? I should really give up to understand what they make up in their heads from patch to patch, I guess.
thats thru
He doesn't want power just a device that holds infinite power so he can use it to his ends... blizzard are your writers okay???
He doesn't want to be horny anymore, he just wants to be happy.
"We wanted to make everything completely unique and completely different"
I get that she's reading off a shitty script but holy shit that line makes me so upset.
This zone is literally bastion + brokers theme put together and we've had that theme all of Shadowlands.
Floating shit is just Nagrand and Bastion.
But yeah, cool waturrrr
She was like we have floating island or something like that in the video and i was like ???????????what? the old school wow had nagrand with floating islands :D they think they are doing some unique thing but they are just reusing old already created things they put a different clothes and colors and here we are
and when i saw these SETS man i'm so worried what they will do for next expansion cause they said we are going to give you class tier sets
meanwhile they just gave people 2 and 4 piece bonus nothing more
these sets are exactly the same shit since BFA..where paladin warrior DK looks the same
Why the Jailer is bad?? - Asmon.
They created a character without any background on why he is doing it and eventually become the very villain . Blizzard writing..
Have you seen his helmet tho? The faceplate is in a shape of a skull - he's clearly a baddie.
“We’ve heard your feedback and know you hate timegating so we’ve added timegates to the timegates so you can hate timegates while you timegate.”
Its the system you see at 35:00
Its currency related,timegated and you need to do it because it unlocks double legendary AND flying,making it mandatory, they cant help themselves
I'm really sad that I already know that language gimmick is just going to be timegating with a skin. I really wish it would be an actual language we had to decipher just like how in Pokémon RSE you had to decipher a message in braille in order to understand what you needed to do to solve the Regi chambers. They have so much talk about 'muh RPG' so if they actually cared about RPG mechanics I don't want to see those runes auto-translated in the UI. I want to explore the zone and get clues as to what the runes mean and need to keep a notepad handy to pen down these clues and figure out what open-world chests ask me to do or what the quest the NPC gave me actually needs to complete it. I don't care if it takes me a week of exploration to finish 1 side quest as long as the journey to deciphering it is fun.
@@fairy4ire ah, so because a group of people will use an addon we might as well ruin the experience on purpose so that nobody gets to have fun, genius!
Do you realize how dumb that sounds? You know there are addons that can put your entire rotation into 1 button right, should that also then just be baked into the standard gameplay since there's an addon for it?
There's a million ways they could use language/ciphers/musical speech to create exceptionally cool ideas but we all know its going to be a rep timegate.
@@chrisanderson7820 Its the system you see at 35:00
Its currency related,timegated and you need to do it because it unlocks double legendary AND flying,making it mandatory, they cant help themselves
They're essentially just ripping off FFX and the Al Bhed Primers but instead of being a nice motivator for a NG+ run where you actually know what all of the Al Bhed are saying from the get go, it's just 100% a time gate mechanic. Lmao. They can't copy FF14 but they'll sure rip off another in the series 😂
Stuff like this sounds good on paper but you can not ignore the reality of how your playerbase opperates. WoWs community is extremely analytical, uses math and straight up simulations to solve everything, datamine every last sentence that can be found in the data and is also very good at solving puzzles and crowd sourcing problems. Just look at those secret mounts and what kind of crazy bs you have to do to get them and they still get solved relatively fast.
Some kind of actual cypher would be solved day 1 with an add-on avaiable day 2. Why waste time on doing something like that only for 99% of the playerbase to download and add-on. You either would habe to make it super difficult like those secret mounts but now a normal player with his notepad has no chance at all or just accept that it is not worth it.
Its funny how they suddenly advertise this as "the final act" of the story. HMMMMM just like Final Fantasy 14 did for Endwalker. Those coincidences are just too funny sometimes.
Yeah, exactly. Eternity's Endwalk... er sorry, erm... Eternity's End, yeah! Let's call it that!!
Fucking right? Like my god I want wow to be a game I'd love to spend my money on but they are trying to copy certain aspects of ffxiv without realizing WHY it works for xiv in the first place.
The Endwalker of WoW should have been Legion. Wow could have went on just like Final Fantasy 14 will.
But no. They have to drum up the same shit and always make the end boss the one behind everything for reasons. There could have been all new stories made in WoW but no. Signs of hack writers that know dick about the world they are writing for.
@@Keldiur Yeah the writer they hired... Like I have to assume they hired him not cause hes a good writer, but because hes cheap and wont haggle for better pay... otherwise idk why they keep him.
While nice, I cautiously expect no good/innovative stuff from Blizzard lately. They'll have to really outdo themselves like CRAZY to be able to pull people back in.
"Players wanted tier sets, so we gave them all the generic and bland armor NPCs wear. Mission accomplished."
idk bout others but when I said tier sets I meant the power behind them, yes they look like diablo assets but some of them I like this tier actually.
They look like the bastion covenant armor. Very lazy. I was expecting something really awesome. That’s on me I need to stop expecting anything good from this company anymore.
generic and bland armor that vaguely resembles what the class fantasy is if you squint hard enough like one of those hidden image pictures.
People didn't want tier sets because of their looks. They look terrible, but you would just mog over them anyway.
@@SharkofspaceTier sets are class specific, not generic NPC armor, regardless of the bonuses.
Ah yes, floating stones, never seen before. Outland wants to have a word. There is no hope for this game.
To be fair, Outland was pretty alien at the time.
"impossible sky, defies laws of physics"
>continuing to show everything respecting regular gravity
13:30 for Preach's reaction to the devs saying they've been awaiting the return of tier sets, when they're the ones who removed them in the first place.
The biggest issue I have with Warcraft is that they timegate everything to rely on WorldQuests and bs repeatable busy work and call it content.
Just make fun content and make the story interesting. Have a few good quality cut scenes of the Jailer talking to someone explaining his motives and explaining why he is so pissed off at everything. Putting forth the bare minimum amount of effort to make the character feel believable can make people feel some sort of emotion.
Why make 50 quests when you can just make 10 and force people to repeat them and call it a day?
@@mesothelimoa341 my god. FF14 has 90% filler quests, 5% solo duty challenges and 5% required dungeons. None of any of this reinvents the wheel and yet people do not care because the story told is well.
You do not have to do the story in WoW and can skip all story in FF14. No one save the shaming community of FF14 could give a damn about you skipping the story (I do love ya FF14 community lol). Yet that does not excuse you for giving the people who do care a shit effort.
@@Keldiur I said nothing about innovating or doing anything special. I merely pointed out that, as cookie cutter and fillerish FF14s quests often are there is still some effort gone into them from a lore and world building point of view. WoW devs don't even go that far, they just make a couple of quests, slap them on a rotation for repeating and call it an expansion. Its embarrassing.
@jo tr WQ are the main content loop outside of mythics and pvp and are central to the Renown system. At least learn to spell before looking like a desperate fanboy.
@@mesothelimoa341 what??????????
What they *should* do for solving the cypher is hide notes and hints all over the zone in really cool ways and make you have to find them. No time gating, no rep grinding, just fun exploration. Hell, hide them all over the Shadowlands.
What they'll do instead is probably stick books on a vendor gated behind rep where you decipher a few sigils each rep tier and that makes me sad.
They literally did this in Legion in Suramar, with the mana beacons and stuff. Just do that again. Why does Blizzard keep doing something well, that works great, and then just fucking pretending that never happened.
How about Archeology? That would be.... Oh nvm.
You know. Like Final Fantasy X. THAT DID THIS CIPHER UNLOCKING *TWENTY MOTHER FUCKING *
I like how they dropped the info as soon as youtube took away the dislike count
It is still there on my end. I don't think that is in effect yet wasn't it just announced that they would do so?
Yeah thats not actually true. Dislike count is still there
Dislikes have been gone for me
@@33-117 must be a slow rollout I guess. I still see the count on the videos. And this 9.2 is actually performing better than any slands video I think lol that's not saying a lot though
Blizzard: "This is unlike anything we've ever seen before!"
*gives you Genshin Impact*
That's... actually incredibly accurate loool
Imagine pretending its one big saga since warcraft3 like ff14 does with endwalker. Bruh steve just pulled jailer out of his ass and retconed the rest. So now whole warcraft lore is different Jailer’s minions fighting each other
Jailer is just a self-insert. He wants to rewrite the world in his own image. Just like Steve, except he's not winning.
"The automa speak in this musical language, not like we mortals speak."
Me: Huh... So... The Ancients from XIV then...
No, definitely not. Nier: Automata, definitely.
imagine thinking that splitting tazavesh into two new separate dungeons is considered "new content"
Well I never bothered to touch it in the first place (or the patch in general). So technically it is new content to me :D
Just like how they are gonna call recolored tier sets content, should just let us dye armor at this point.
@@TheScarlettYeti if they let players dye armor, they cant call recolors new content.
@@Shiirow exactly then they have to actually work on creating different looking sets for each difficulty which im pretty sure these devs dont want to
why not? nobody minded Karazhan part 2 in Legion
Blizzard: "These beings built the universe, as far as we know."
Me: "You wrote this story... Shouldn't you know?"
I also love how this promotional video simply spoils virtually the entire story of this patch/expansion... You know, because MOST wow players are not at all interested in actually learning how the world works.
Exactly!! They spoiled the story of the patch in the whole video! They are fucking idiots, it’s so hilarious. At least with the FFXIV trailers, they have been extremely vague AF because they put in story snippets (in-game footage) that also includes gameplay footage of other content in their patch.
im glad i quit shadowlands early on, it feels like a fake expansion, and after playing ff14, the shadowlands feel so shallow and disconnecting. and with the in game lore being so incomplete you don't feel invested in any of the zones, or even the new faces you meet.
How far along in FFXIV? I ask because while the story is more cohesive in general in 14, some of it is pretty shallow. Zones included. There's a lot of toxic positivity surrounding FF right now so I'll probably be flamed for saying that, but I've had many hours in the game and realized at some point that it's not immune to some of the faults that every MMORPG shares.
@@mattt6201 If you get flamed, its because you're just saying that parts of the game are bad without giving specifics yourself. If I said that "Stormblood zones, especially Gyr Abania, were lacking and the pacing was all over the place" no one would flame me because I said exactly what I had a problem with and people can discuss specifics. That's not toxic positivity. People can just smell BS and don't want to argue with someone who can't back it up. You didn't just say that "FFXIV is shallow", you also immediately insulted the community as well in the same breath.
You can trash FFXIV all the time, people do it all the time. But if you don't give specifics, no one is going to take you seriously. You won't run into "toxic positivity" about the game's PVP. Or the FOMO locked behind Feast. Or the Cruise Chaser mount. Or the fact that Shadowbringers Beast Tribes didn't get a finale. If you don't want people flaming you, stop trying to pick fights.
@@mattt6201 been playing for 3 months, finished the MSQ, 80NIN, 80 SCH, 70 MNK, 70WHM, 50 AST, and a 50BRD. the story definitely had its shallow points for sure, and certain world building questlines seem to drag on a bit. overall the story was amazing with unseen twists and turns, and with small details added in from previous quests and encounters from earlier quests/expansions that tie everything together.
@@mattt6201 also the obvious delay when using skills and abilities vs wow or something where it's very instant. but generally classes and combat feels really nice. im usually a big pvp player, and though i haven't done any yet, im glad there's at least the option, and it seems they're taking it much more seriously in the next expansion.
@@GetterRay the past Feast reward mounts are coming back for everyone in 6.0 with the new PvP mode.
twitch chat reaction on the side would be fun addition
I totally agree. What does “rewriting reality” actually mean and why do we even care about stopping it?
He's trying to retcon Blizzard's storytelling for the past 7 or so years, we're just blind to his true purpose and will only learn what we've done once the Jailor is dead and his plans are ruined
The Jailer: "I'm going to break the cycle of life and death! There will only be life eternal!"
Logical person: "And that's bad because....?"
Blizzard: "no! tHeRe MuSt Be DeAtH!"
@@Maria_Erias I mean, if he was only going to get rid of death, that could cause problems, but if he's "rewriting the laws of reality" he could just solve all those at the same time.
After introducing -Thanos- Jailer to the story, that's how they call 'Jailor's Snap'.
"'Rogues like pointy things' That's true."
No Preach. We like good gameplay.
Blizzard: Final Fantasy are beating us, what do we do?
Dev Team: Let’s just copy some of their raid designs and bring in the Allagan Empire.
They've never played FF14, they don't know who the Allagans are lmfao
@@cousinrolf871 that's why it is like it is >D
@@cousinrolf871 How do you know? Do you know all the devs personally at blizzard? lul
@@danlufc95 Twas a joke
"events from Warcraft 3" oh you mean how you retconned like 40 years of history so you could shoehorn your Discount Thanos into the story and act like he was the architect of the Warcraft Universe the whole time. Sorry, Tite Kubo did this this better in Bleach when he created Aizen Sosuke, even then it left much to be desired.
FF14: My fallen brother saw you as a worthy inheritor to his soul.
To honor his memory I entrust it to you. But soul alone will not make you a shinobi.
No, this will require training of the body and mind.
WoW: Me rogue. Me like pointy things.
Funniest part is that they have basically told you the whole expansions story.. so there's no need to play it now.
lol
There's been no reason to play anything blizzard ever since they molested a dev to suicide. Uninstalled everything blizzard and every day I feel better about my decision.
Metzen left and this new lore is just stranger and stranger words
To be fair Shits been getting weirder since cata but yeah with metzen gone they went maximum overweird
@@ryantwomey3463 well, Cata was still set in Azeroth and kinda down to earth coming from general warcraft lore. Also I think metzen stopped writing the story mid cata or so
@@Yaeshi he didn't. Chris was heavily involved in Pandaria storyline. And even after he left, there was some content that he left for us. Basically, the Metzen's WC story ended with Legion. From BfA Danuser had to make the story and lore by himself. And you can see how this turns out.
@@Yaeshi and how can you say that cata story was down to earth when we had flying ships in BC and time travel in BC/Wrath?
World of Wokecraft
"Everything is completely unique and different: our trees are floating, the stones are floating, the massive forge is floating..."
So it is more like everything is the same, just unable to stay grounded. Perhaps, a reflection on blizzard as a company.
Pro tip blizzard don’t introduce a character whose behind everything that’s ever happened apparently, and a completely new zones of areas we’ve never heard of or had referenced ever, and then.
Instead of building things up you’re gonna have us fight and probably beat said big bad in the same xpac.
Just wait until they reveal the dumpster fire of the next expansion. They'll probably reveal the real reasons behind the Nipple Man's motivations, along with an even bigger baddie that he was trying to rewrite reality in order to combat.
@@Maria_Erias Also don't forget The Very First Ones, The Even Before Ones, The Truly First Ones, The Now For Real Progenitors, The..
@@ignispurgatorius5297 The One and Only, The More One and Only, The True One and Only, The Most Truly One and Only, The Most Definitely Truly One and Only, and so on
"We've been setting this up since Warcraft 3" = "This story has Sylvanas in it"
The WC3 comment is complete bull, as is the "alien" part of their design. The devs need to stop watching only post 2010 cartoons for ages 10 and under and experience some real fantasy shit. Because as you said, if they wanted to go for Lovecraftian, then they fell very short of it. I already said it in other places, but even during the classical periods people had more fantasy about what gods and their servants look like. Those simplified humanoids look very banale.
Lovecraftian horrors, First Testament's angels, Berserk's nightmare hellish world, Junji Ito's madness put into drawings. Even Interstellar and Inception movies have really great example of 4D and 5D worlds, where our laws of physics don't apply or feel extremly different.
Inspiration of undescribable forms of life and impossible shapes exists in every kind of medias, and come from all eras of humankind History.
WoW already did Lovecraft quite well with Naxx and the Burning Crusade, Shadowlands is just cheap filler.
When you look at how crazy FFXIV gets with design, especially monsters this feels so lacking, to say you stretched anything is a lie, pretty much reimagining the same mobs you've reused before but with skins that fit the theme of the zone.
Final fantasy 14 mostly reskins old enemies throughout the series.
Art team: so where are we going with this?
Director: You know risk of rain 2?
Art team: Yea..?
Director: That.
"It's actually unlike any water that we've seen before, because it's actually water that we can walk on..."
/Shamans and DKs raise an eyebrow
/Anyone who's gotten a water strider mount: "Um..."
its a joy to watch ex wow players having played ff14 and then come back and ask the most basic questions about the story and having no answers kek
How to ruin immersion, presence and character in three easy steps : 1) Make buildings and landscape elements float. 2) Make characters that have geometrical shapes instead of faces. 3) Make creatures and characters that have body parts joined by force fields. Easy !
Also, is this another "floating in the air" zone ?...
Every time I see someone react to this video, I laugh at "Like nothing we've seen! Look, these trees float! Alien!"
Me when I first saw the new zone:
"Oh is this a new part of Bastion?"
Blizz:
"Something you have all never seen before!!!"
Even when danusers talking about a game he’s talking about chapters and books 😂
And the most fun part about it is, that if all of WoW would be a book, it would be a disjointed mess. xD
@@sleepydruid100 I've seen fanfiction better written than this mess. lol.
It feels like they took the furbolg quest line in Azuremyst where you learn their language and turned it into a rep grind.
Can someone help me here? In 9.0 the theory was that the Jailer used Sylvannis to get more souls to fuel his power, etc. but the reason she actually broke the barrier between the two worlds was because the Jailer really wanted the soul of the the Titan that is in Azeroth...but now with 9.1 (which granted, I didn't play) and 9.2, it seems his goal was always to get to this other place...so why did Sylvannis open the barrier between two worlds? Did he need Anduin that badly? He also took Jaina, Thrall and Bane and the were just tossed away or we got them back and he didn't care.
So by defeating the Jailor at the end of 9.2, do we win only because he's stupid and basically opens the gate between worlds when he didn't need too?
If I remember correctly, Jailer needed Anduin for getting one of the keys to this place, but I've lost the track of it.
@@liucconen Anduin get the "Sigil" from the Bastian person, but I don't know if the Jailer actually needed Anduin to do that, or he just used Anduin because he was available. I stopped playing very early in 9.1, so maybe there's a real explanation, but I haven't heard one yet.
These are the questions that they allegedly are going to answer...but let's be honest, none of it matters as none of it makes sense. They have attempted to force in the SL when we shouldn't even be talking about it. SL was only interesting because it was unknown. We now know it is made up of incredibly stupid and vapid characters created by...someone who is like totally better then the Titans. IDK. Call my jaded, but this is just trash.
So basicly the entire story of the patch is just a ripped of version of the story of Wildstar, where you travel to an planet with an extinct race, the Elders, which used the planet to experement... sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it.
The lore doesn't match up because they ret conned it. When they talk about features all I've gotten from it is timegated, Sylvanas redemption arc, timegated rep grind, timegated linguistics to even try to understand. Tier sets, cool, but the rest is a wtf.
And most of the tier sets look like leveling gear, and don't give any class fantasy vibe whatsoever
@@Prowlzian ikr? Look at the cloth looking sets and tell me which one is for which clothie
1:50 "The Jailer is able to a portal to who-knows-where"
It sure would have been nice to tell us where and establish some stakes, wouldn't it?
" We have stop the jailer"
!!why??? We literally don't know what he wants??? no motivation!! Rewriting reality don't tell me anything.
Everytime he says '' i am waiting to see how players will put lore bits together'' i just see pyromancers explosion :D
There isn't going to be a 9.3. In Steve's delusional head, Shadowlands is the "third act", with WC3 being the first, and WOW up until SL being the second. He is acting like his retcon crap has always been part of the lore, when it doesn't fit into the universe at all. So it's even worse than you think. It's great that even people *who aren't really into the game's lore* are rejecting this drivel. BFA certainly had its issues, but the story was at least (somewhat) interesting and it fit into the world. Shadowlands does NOT fit into the Warcraft universe *at all*. It could possibly work as its own IP, but even then you can't have a main villian with NO DEVELOPMENT OR MOTIVATIONS.
@Trash Person I don't think it's her shoes that he's huffing. He's huffing something alright though.
i think he was saying that the shadowlands expansion itself was a 3 act story, but was very unclear about it. 9.1 for example had a questline referencing the "second act" or "act 2" of the story. BUT i completely agree with you, they're trying WAY too hard to fit a square peg into a round hole and really taking liberties by saying it has always been tied into WC3
@@mr_huntie Same thing Sakamoto did with Other M. Taking retcons he JUST put in, acting like they were always present, and trying to take credit for all the story and worldbuilding other people did before he came in. He's trying to act like he singlehandedly wrote the entire Warcraft story by himself.
@@StormsparkPegasus oh 100% and imo he needs to stop it b/c the ENTIRE community has eyes and ears. those of us that played WC3 and have all the books etc. we all KNOW he's just giving us straight up BS. i'm not trying to argue that in the slightest haha
"I'm really confused, what's going on?" WoW lore the past few years in a nutshell
This started in W3?? We must have played different games then. You can't just pull "The first ones" out of your ass and say that this has been the part of the plan the whole time......
I imagine he means because some characters were introduced in WC3...I mean, it's a hell of a stretch, but it's all I got ;)
@@andrewshandle they refer to how the Jailer actually created the Lich King crown. AKA retcons
Rewrite the rules of the universe:
1. Stuff in your fridge doesn't go bad any more.
2. No more hangovers.
3. Flying sky whales
4. Self-refilling beer bottles.
5. Sentient stuff no one, not even Blizzard understands.
6. The return of dignity and integrity outside of the game but inside the company.
Everything about this new zone screams "We read up about Mechanus in D&D lore and just ripped it off"
"We wanted to make everything feel alien so we made everything float."
the artwork looks so good, then you see it implemented into the game, oof
"Are they going to time gate it" literally why i think the whole team needs to be fired. They are too set in their ways of the garbage game design they have been doing for so many expansions now. Correcting years of faulty thinking is going to be really hard to do. In the very lead the lead guys need to be replaced with new, fresh thinking people
Right out of the gate, Preach nails it. All those questions i have been asking since I started, and I follow the lore. its like they are making it up as you go along. My concern is the gameplay, the rest is window dressing
I love how they literally copied this species, from shadow bringers, the way they look, the way they speak, the way they sound, the way the player interprets their speech, and the way the character speech. And the way it's all weird wacky technology.