sol walker no.... the likes and attention brought onto a page on Instagram doesn’t mean that content is actually any good. Of course there’s great photographers on Instagram but it’s not an accurate source to judge what’s good and what isn’t based off the likes, comments and followers
sol walker The likes, followers, comments/opinions, gear are missleading on instagram. Some people are also just copying trends and ideas from anyone else, which is ok (sometimes) but sometimes people‘s feed isn’t unique
It's generally good, but eventually it can just become a perpetual cycle of "I'm not good enough because I thought I was good. Maybe my doubt means I actually am good," rinse and repeat. Personally, (Disregarding the actual skill part of the graph) my mind swings from perceiving myself as an expert to perceiving myself as no good. The problem is that due to their nature, they cause it to just perpetually swing. (I felt confident, fucked up, and now I feel less confident. I did something correctly while feeling unconfident, I must be getting better, gain confidence back)
I am not a photographer, nor have I ever wanted to be, so I am not sure why I clicked on this video. But those few small lessons you gave us can be applied to any business. Thank you and also really great productions. Enjoyed that without even being a photographer :)
exactly - it's not always the quality that creates a feeling. It's the same with music. Sometimes you hear a song in a bad recording and maybe even the band is not great but something simply touches you.
I find most photographers extremely toxic and judgmental. Real “center of the universe” types. Some people are in to photography as a hobby and don’t really need outside opinions as they are doing it for fun. It amazes me that “art” has no rules and “anything can be art” but people in pretty much every artistic field, including photography, think everyone’s work that doesn’t follow the exact “good art” blueprint is bad. It makes no sense. We end up living in a cookie cutter world of “unique” art that isn’t really art at all. It’s the same shit over and over. You can put lipstick on a pig.
You complain about how photographers are 'toxic and judgemental' and then later you complain that we're in a 'cookie cutter world of unique art' and that it's 'the same shit over and over.' Can you really not see how you are being just as toxic and judgemental as those you are complaining about?
Hi Jamie, great video! My issue is that today’s social media platforms enable mediocre photography through false perception from other non informed people. Meaning if someone has 100k followers one assumes they must be an amazing photographer when the truth is that sometimes the clout of social media presence may not always equal ability but a false sense of ability.
Damian Plisko I feel like this problem is happening everywhere. From where I live these famous guy charge a lot and they say it’s because they have a lot of follower. And people keep coming to these guy because they want to get known in social media not for the good photography. Meanwhile a photographer who don’t really play social media is having trouble even when he is in the same skill level.
What's interesting with your statement is you make the assumption that photography TH-camrs with 100K subs think they're good photographers. I get a lot of haters telling me I'm not a great photographer, but I never professed to be. I feel like I'm still really learning and I started making TH-cam videos to kind of take people along my learning journey and help them with lessons I've learned. Getting 100k subs or 1m+ views on video is something that just happens to you, not something you do.
Glad to see you here damian! I think youre right here. The problem is people on social media get photography mixed up with the content of the photo. So people really enjoy seeing things they can identify with so they start liking photos of hypercars and bikini-models and think that these are actually good photographs. I think thats where the 100k subs come from on a lot of social media platforms.. its just the content and not the actual photography.
hahaha, A "de-motivational poster I read once said, "if you can't learn to do something well, learn how to enjoy doing it poorly" image shows a guy slicing a golf ball out into the woods. Have fun.
It's irrelevant. If you know the work of a hundred famous photographers and can say why each is famous, then you'll have a foundation for judging how good your own work is.
I'm an amateur photog who has been shooting for 30 years and will probably still call myself an amateur until the day I die. However, while I see the points you're trying to make, I can honestly say that some of the most creative photos I have ever taken were when I was in my teens, shooting on my original Canon Rebel 35 mm with the kit lens. It was a whole new world to me, and I experimented constantly. Many of the shots were poorly exposed, slightly out of focus or perhaps too abstract. And still... the older and more technically savvy I get, it's harder to tap into the blissfully ignorant joy and creativity of being a cocky young photographer who didn't know what I didn't know. In my day job, I'm a creative director managing graphic designers. I've often thought that you shouldn't be allowed to design any real work for clients until you have about 10 years of real-world experience under your belt... yet, sometimes I wish I could hire 20 year olds straight out of college to art direct the older designers. Why? Because young idealistic designers tend to have more creative and aspirational ideas. I'd like to see the graph that measures the decline of creativity as expertise increases. I imagine it too would show an inverse correlation.
Yes! I’ve been a writer for 20 years. I’m far more competent now in my skill and technical ability, and yet the stuff I wrote when I didn’t know what I didn’t know had a fevered passion about it that I seldom achieve these days. Agree 100%!
Must be different to writing. I'm a published author and I'm getting hungrier with every book. I do what this guy says and I read widely, and I'm staggered by how far I have to go, how poor I am. I still feel the joy of having 'flow' and completing something original. I wonder if, in the day to day of administration and managing and mentoring, you've stopped challenging yourself, stopped seeking out the new. I say ' I wonder' because of course I don't know you, but my experience, as a 'creative' feels so different as the books go by, I wonder if a sabbatical might be required, a jolt that puts you in unfamiliar territory, the sense of being terrified, of 'winging it'. Good luck anyway, I hope you find your mojo again.
Just wanna point out something I hate seeing people use wrong: Being an "amateur" is not a bad thing, it just means you're interessted doing it without making money about it. You can be a damn good amateur. Being"professional" means its your profession, your job. Many times, amateurs can be better then professionals because amateurs can experiment more, while the professional one is a lot more dependant on their income from doing what they do. You make "calling myself an amateur until the day I die" sound like youre always gonna be bad, but in reality, you're basicly saying "I will not turn photography into a job". There's definatly benefits with that btw; Once you turn a hobby into a job, you will somewhat like it less, because then youre depending on it and not only having fun doing it.
People missuse terms ameteur and pro these days. It does not define skill level nor quality of work. I have seen a lot of amateur photographs that are beautifull piece of art and also a lot of pro photographs that really, really sucks. And it is not just photography exclusive.
If you google "Why a bank robber thought covering himself in lemon juice would help him get away with it," you can see how much he took from that article without crediting it smh
You can replace the word “photography” with any other career or pastime, and this video would be just as applicable. Great video. Great message. [edit] I should add that I am a lawyer-turned-TH-camr... Everything he says in this video is 100% true of the practice of law aswell
@@ihateunicorns867 I don't understand either. I don't think the point of this video was absorbed if you only felt a hit to your self esteem! I actually think the philosophy and perspective he's encouraging is really positive. It's about mindset and growth and focusing on what's important :)
Mate, This was INSANELY good. It's been popping up in my feed for a while and I am so glad that I finally clicked through and watched it. Let the binge begin...
I love how this video isn’t like “this person isn’t taking the photos correctly and should be doing them like this”, and it’s really telling people how to improve. How to change their mindset and how to understand where you want to be.
The point of photography is self expression. Who am I or anyone else to say that expression is in some way wrong? Yes, some photos have a broader appeal, but that in no way makes them better. Photography is art. Art can consist from the kind you put on the refrigerator to the kind you hang in the museum. All forms of self expression should be encouraged.
Art has rules and understanding to it. Picasso didn't make his iconic style until he was a master of standard portraiture. You're free to express yourself however you want, but many of us care about the craft of it and want to be competent.
It's not just that, it's not self expression if you are doing a job or working as a photographer for a client. If you want to make some photo art for yourself fine. But it's not a straight path..
@@phild9802 my comments were not directed to anything commercial. However, even there the parameters are narrow and not inclusive. It is very much like the music industry. What gets played and promoted is a very specific. What doesn't get recognized may have greater merit but social conditioning has not allowed for it. If one chooses photography for business then follow a business plan. If do photography for art, let your imagination run free.
1. amazing simple transitions. 2. Awesome video, you gave a FULL explanation of how this happens to everyone, including yourself. 3. thanks for the end with touching on studying other photographers. I need to do that more. Amazing job overall!
God that's so true! I was telling my friend about wanting to do some photography and she says something along the lines of "anyone can take a photo, it's not that hard" I just gave her a look. I compared that to saying "anyone can draw" and she got super offended and told me that drawing is actually hard...some people just don't get it.
I expierenced this with a client of mine. And she did bring her boyfriend. While i was working, her BF was behind me sitting on the chair. And said: well thats pretty easy to get paid right, i mean just pushing a button... I was sooooo mad , so I did change my settings put the camera in his hands and said, here try for your self (with a big smile). He tried and tried image was al black or too overexposed. And said to him: easy há photography . Pffff poser 🤨 i was really pissed 😑
Every other photographer can tell you about the techniques and technicality of photography, but this it's all about the philosophy and psychology. That's why this and your other videos are so brilliant.
This video is so good and you really nail the issue with everything you say! In less than 10 min you gave me more inspiration to evolve than anything else I’ve seen in probably the entire last year. I really like the quote about weather you should do anything, just because you can, and also looking at other reference and photographers, not just the ones popular at the moment. Thanks for posting this!
Reading these comments makes me think the photography community is snooty...and it makes me want to keep to myself. I don't agree with it being necessary to feel bad about old work. I look back at older photos and know they aren't as good as my pics now but I realize that I didn't have as much knowledge about photography and was still learning back then and having fun. And considering how new everything was to me then, those photos were pretty good. I'm still learning now and will always be learning. I'm afraid to look at other prominent photographers work because I don't want to accidentally copy them. But this is just a hobby for me. This comment is kinda all over the place. 🤷🏽♀️
I also feel that some of my best photos came very early, but it's just a hobby for me too... I think Jamie's main point was that if you're trying to get a name for yourself, or to make a living, then you need to know who are the greats in the field and why they are great, and you need to be able to rank them. If you don't think they're so great, then do you understand why other people do? Reading books (and looking at the reproductions in them) is one of the easiest ways to keep on learning. Don't be afraid to look at others' work - as Picasso is supposed to have said, "good artists copy, great artists steal". Get inspired, get fresh eyes! Just acknowledge the person whom you're stealing from.
Alternative advice: 1) Take photographs you think are good. 2) Disregard what other photographers think about your work, but open-mindedly study what THEY thought was good in their work. 3) When someone else's notions of "good" interests and inspires you, expand your own definition of "good" and resume step 1. 4) Above all, give zero f-cks about anyone sermonizing you that what you think is good is not good enough, or not as good as you think.
I find there are three types of “Photographers.” Those who are beginners ready to learn more and more. Those who are beginners and are claimed professionals just because they have a camera and they learned how to use a “cool” filter for a social media post. And then we have professionals who are really good, share their knowledge, and still learn from others.
Professional usually only refers to the fact you earn most of your living from a specific activity. No more, no less. That is what the word means, let us stick to that. Now there are camera users, in the same way people use a keyboard, a word-processor, a pen but are definitely not writers (and would not call themselves so), even less poets. There are good and bad writers, whether professional or not. There are technical writers, news writers, creative writers... now those calling someone a "professional photographer" people who "have a camera and they learned how to use a “cool” filter for a social media post" may not be the references one wants to have or listen to.
@@BrunoChalifour I know what professional means, but some beginner photographers claim to be professional. I get what you are saying, but overall to what I said their is some major truth. The word professional is so overly abused in the world of photography. Sorry I struck a nerve with me using it to describe a certain group that I have experienced in photography and I guess speaking the truth is a bad reference, but hey someone has to do it and my work is my work let everyone else judge.
@@konnorhalsey6981 Speaking the truth, especially with me, is the way to go, do not worry about that. My point to you is who says such things should tell you whom to listen to and whom to avoid. I agree with you that we live in a world where many words have lost their meaning and it makes it difficult for everyone to have a serious conversation. We need conversations where unfounded "opinions" are avoided if not banished, one where opinions are based on facts and personal experiences (not easy and loose generalizations), and where strict definitions of words are used.
Jas Mann: little hiccups perhaps, but it's perfectly understandable and well-said. The way you channel your insecurities and yuck is uncommonly pathetic. Take a look in the mirror, time to self-reflect.
I have been avoiding clicking on this video because I was expecting something discouraging, especially for new or amateur photographers. I am really glad that you proved me wrong. This was a great video. =)
Alternative advice: 1) Take photographs you think are good. 2) Disregard what other photographers think about your work, but open-mindedly study what THEY thought was good in their work. 3) When someone else's notions of "good" interests and inspires you, expand your own definition of "good" and resume step 1. 4) Above all, give zero f-cks about anyone sermonizing you that what you think is good is not good enough, or not as good as you think.
Theres only one point I disagree with. A photo someone takes years ago can still be a great photo years later. Great images are great images. Of course strive to be better but sometimes you produce pieces of content that stand the test of time.
I was going to say the same thing. I'm sure he agrees, he just didn't really get a chance to say it. I used to write poetry and a majority of the stuff I wrote years ago I think is just god awful, but there are some that I still can't believe came from me.
That comment made in this video reflects the lack of humility that so many "great" images are by accident, so they don't just come at the end of a career, there are pearls all along.
He’s speaking from the standpoint of someone who is a student of the craft. Meaning if you’re serious of photography or want to be a photographer, you’ll notice the flaws of your old work versus new stuff. It’s kind of like training yourself to draw, as you progress you’ll notice that you’re getting better and that’s a good sign versus looking back at you’re old stuff and thinking it’s great.
This video is especially valid. I've been shooting for six months and I'll look back at a photo from four months ago and think, "Damn, why'd I post this online?" haha
Its about trying to do something new each time I go out I try to apply something new to my shot what ever it may be... I love Robert Frank and Saul Lieter so I am sure there are things they said or did that has influenced me.. But it's about finding that moment...
As dumb as I may be from time to time, I take solace in knowing I will never be so dumb as to inspire a team of researchers to figure out why I'm so dumb and then name said phenomena after me.
When I Look back to my 4months old photos I don't notice a huge difference, I got you man..I need to change I need to learn and try new things. Thanks man
I did my first video gig with today, I don't know a lot about videos but I did the best I could (bought gimball, did many testing etc...). I feeling so bad because I feel like the person who hired me will be disapointed, even if I told him I'm new to this... Anyway, just to say this comment make me feel better :)
Lol this is stupid as fuck, it's like saying that guitarists who play rock music have more in common with EDM DJs than with other musicians because they use effects pedals to make their electric guitars sound distorted It still takes knowledge and skills to take a good shot, but now they can add some personal flair to it if they want
@@fakename287 a bad photo is a bad photo even when edited, if the interest it's nule it will be nule. The thing is that people outside photography are not that educated on the art and when they see a sky all photoshoped to violet or a mediocre portrait on neons very edited they think it's good photography. That's more graphic design than any other thing and nowaday a lot of instagrammers only do that.
Photography in general adapts design elements and principles. It's only lately that experimental photography have increased as the adobe suite was released. Though experimental photography was used since the dawn of photography. Just without digital technology of course.
The tip to ask for critique is really the most important thing to do probably. At the other hand, the really big names already get a lot of critique when newspapers or online outlets write articles about a new exposition or just new work you made for some commercial or free work that happened to go viral.
I got myself a cheap new lense, took a decent photo, I liked it when I took it, now a week later I think its just a copy of what many people have done before. I for sure am not creative, but I like fiddling around with camera settings to optimise for the result I want.
@@CookieAsArrow Cool. It's not a bad thing to be similar to what other people are doing- I guess the trick is to try and experiment on the craft and explore the limits of the gear and oneself.. do you have an instagram account?
Lol, back when I was in college I use to help all my classmates style their shoots and be more creative... It helped a lot of them have better composition and ideas which led them to make better grades on projects so of course I got a little high on my horse, but when it came to portraits I lacked the ability to style and give direction so those same people that I helped with lifestyle / editorial product shoots helped me with directing people.... I think I prefer styling shoots with people when I know I am allowed to be creative with it but I know that I am no expert either. When I got my first camera and was starting out I took this really cool shot of a butterfly on a flower and thought I was awesome so I started calling myself a photographer and booking clients lol. I was horrible
Śmiem Wątpić photography is all about visual stimulation, listening to his own criticism about himself was boring.... he made photography sound like someone with a head case, depressing...
I've been shooting for over 45 years. I recently decided to digitize a couple thousand of those old negs and slides from all those years back. I wound up throwing out 98% of those "treasured" images I kept for decades! I guess I have I have learned and grown! Thanks!
Sounds like everyone I have met in “marketing” and while working in a pro lab realising that 90% of “professional “ photographers had almost no idea. That was the film era. Now the average standard has risen dramatically due to instant feedback.
After 20 years shooting I’m still never satisfied with my results. I just have some images not as bad as others. I get told my works good but all I see are the mistakes and flaws.
Absolutely nothing wrong with this! I'm exactly the same, along with many, many other creatives... It's this mindset that has kept my hungry to be better than my competition and continue striving to expand my skills. I'd rather stay critical than complacent.
1980Cog I'm like that too, but I do like my work and think its great but I'm always thinking about the mess ups and little imperfections too. I use professional photographers as my goal so I know what I need to work on.
That's it, this has convinced me. I'm burning my comfort zone and taking pictures of it! Awesome video. Sorry for the two people who it hit too close to home for...
what an amazing video, love the framing from shot to shot, If you weren't doing a swish transition, you face from one shot to the next was in the same spot, making my eyes not have to hunt for the focal point between shots and having my brain focus on your message. Brilliantly composed video.
Ok so first of all sorry for my (maybe) horrible english, i'm brazilian and i've been working with photography for the last two years. In the first year i tried a lot of things, i photographed children's parties, weddings, pre-weddings shoots and all of this and in the beggining i rly liked but then i started to have contact with fashion photography and the fashion industry and in a way that i never imagine i just fall in love with it. So, i've made friends and i learn a lot with them and i ask them for feedbacks regularly about what i've been doing and i can see some progressives, but lately it was been so frustrating to look at my work and think "wtf i'm doing this is horrible and everybody is better than me, why i still trying, i'm fake and i dont know nothing" and then i get sad and start to try work on something better. Anyway, the thing is, i rly cry watching this video because it was so relieving to see that i just have these feelings because i'm rly trying to push foward and this something that i want so badly, i want to be better because i love what i do. Lately i was thinking a lot of givin up photography because of this feelings, but this video shows me that im in the right way (for a long time actually) and i just need to trust myself a little bit more. Thank you for this! Rly! Thank you :)
I've seen first hand what happens when someone thinks they are pro but far from it. My friend decided overnight she was going to be a photographer, I taught her the bare basics and a week later I find out she's throwing around business cards as a photographer. Despite my warnings she was hired to shoot a wedding, she asked me to come with as her assistant, I wanted no part of it lol. Of course she was sued later for the god awful work you'd expect from someone who has no idea what they are doing.
Early on I shot four weddings. All done as a favor because the families could not afford to hire a pro. Luck was on my side, the pictures were fine. The best of the four was my brother-in-law. Thank goodness! The others were just glad to have pictures of the day. So, all was well, and I didn't get sued!!
Best video about photography I've seen in a long time. Especially the tip to stop following the trends but look at old photographers or photographers who tell a story through their work. I've been telling people to stop using prisma's and looking at Brandon Woelfel, but instead by a book about vivian maier or henri cartier bresson. I enjoyed the psychology lesson in the beginning too. Good thing to always keep in mind when you're evaluating you work. Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.
I'm curious, why shouldn't people look at Brandon? While his style might not be appealing to some of us, it is appealing to others. There isnt one way to be a "good" artist/photographer. Just curious your thinking on this.
Minority Nomad I think I’m going to make a video entitled _I don’t hate Brandon Woelfel_ in which I explain the difference between hating a specific photographer and encouraging people to look at other photographers as well.
There are so many people who take lousy photos and when you tell them that their photos can be improved, they get instantly defensive. A lot of people have no clue how to take a great photo.
Michael Gordon Thats normal. If you want them to improve it is usually better to just be like "Have you read this book" or "Have you seen *person*". In other words, it is better to bring them deeper and let them realize it on their own.
Michael Gordon there are also great photographers who take lousy pictures and because they are considered ‘pros’ and critiqued by fellow ‘pros’ they get positive criticism, photography is subjective, all the time, you have to have a good eye for a great picture...even so called professionals use the ‘spray and pray technique’ hoping that post editing will make a lousy picture a good one...
Often, when people are getting defensive and take critique as a negative thing instead of a positive thing, they are insecure or just arrogant right? But where does the point come where someone really did choose to do work like the way he or she does. How can you make the difference in made choices as a creative person clear to the world without falling into excuses because you actually do or don't master the Art of whatever you perform?
Hey dude, not sure if you see this, but here goes. I clicked on this because it was recommended, but I'm not a photographer. I am going through some shit irl, and for some reason everything you said about photography, helped my perspective on what I need to change in my life, and I'm suddenly in a much better mood! You earned a sub, hope you see this and thank you!
You're my photography therapist :) I've been suffering from so many things you've mentioned and feel much more encouraged now. Thank you very much for this video. Cheers!
imo, its better that bad photographer thinks he is good than a good photographer thinking that he is bad... bad one will push him self out there do jobs fail and learn and suceed more than a good one just being scared thinking he is bad and he cant do this or that...
First time here on this channel. He said the truth, he educated the viewers in photography and in life in general. What I don't get is the amount of the dislikes.. oh, internet..
Greg Runtunuwu A lot of the hater comments on this video seem like the people commenting haven’t actually watched the video. I imagine people are just reacting to the title.
What I like in photography is that you have a lot to learn and it takes years of experiance to get better. It's not just to snap a photo, there's so much more into it. It's technical, but atristic at the same time. I like experimenting and learning and there is tons of it in photography. I feel the need to express myself and I get to do this through photography.
I suffer the opposite, after a degree and a masters and several years of training. I still think I’m not that good of a photographer, which then makes me terrified to work professionally, makes me anxious that I don’t actually look for payed work. Although maybe I am crap... I don’t know.
If people pay you for your work, you're good enough. Let your work speak for you and measure success by the paychecks you get. Someday you'll look back and wonder why someone would pay you for such crap images. And yet, it met their needs. It made them happy. They got what they wanted, and you got paid. It's as simple as that. This idea that everyone needs to be Ansel Adams or Annie Liebovitz to be "worthy" is just crap. The skill you need to be a "real" photographer is just enough to meet the needs of your client at a level of pay you're willing to accept. In other words, it's commerce. If you want to make "art" do that on your own time. If you're looking to work professionally, then you need to see the work for what it is -- an exchange of a service for payment. Period.
McScott makes a really good point. I watched an F-stoppers video of them critiquing wedding photos. They completely tore apart (figuratively, not literally lol) this one photo and the photographer who took it commented saying it was tough to hear their criticism but that he'd take it to heart and keep improving. Now I just got married last year (I'm not a photographer) and I was pretty particular about the photos I wanted, I spent months looking at websites and emailing people and I paid a lot to make sure I hired a photographer that had great photos. That said, I thought his photo was *beautiful*. I very well could have been his client and I would have been so happy with his photos and I was kind of annoyed that they were making him feel bad about something that I thought was perfect. Their complaints were kind of technical "he should've edited the scar off her shoulder" or "he should've cropped it a little bit more". I was looking at it from the perspective of "does it look beautiful to me and capture the spirit I want?" Sorry this was a very long comment, but my point is, put the work you're proud of out there, and the people who find it beautiful will hire you. You don't have to have approval from every snooty photographer in order to be qualified, all that matters is what the clients who are paying you think (and yourself of course!)
Very, very good video! Honestly I think the title is "bad" as it made me expect some sort of bashing of amateur photographers, but nonetheless - as someone who has already set his mind to learning and improving, seeking those flaws in myself that I might have been completely unaware of - I clicked on it to see if there's something in here that might to some degree apply to me. I've discovered this effect in myself in a somewhat altered way in myself a couple of years ago - I was good (as a musician), but the technical quality of my work was quite a bit below "industry standard". But thinking that I was special, I expected the world to recognise my talent. At some point I realised many people out there making music that was more "wow", and I started to analyse what they did and adapted those things from their work that struck me personally as outstanding. There's a lot of value in the habit of constantly looking at the work of others for learning about new techniques and (more importantly) inspiration on how to use them. Buargh!! The worst are those people in FB groups that ask "what plugin did you use for that effect?" so they can be the copy of a copy of a cheap fashion trend.
Well, I almost didn't, because I'm not interested in the bashing of photographers that I expected behind the title - it was recommended to me a couple of times, and only eventually I decided to give it a chance, suspecting that in the negativity that I expected here there might be something to learn for me. I think I would have clicked on it much sooner if it had been named something like "How you know if you are a good photographer".
Ahhh I have that same pet peeve. When twitter or instagram influencers ask what "codes" they used to get that photography effect. Im like ARGH stop using these apps and filters and calling it photography!!
My guess is that they want to be viewed as "professionals" while craving the instant gratification of a photo that "automatically" looks "good". ;) I see myself as the opposite - I'd rather create my own look, even if there's a preset out there that could nail it better. I want to learn and understand and perhaps stumble upon an effect that I didn't expect, discover new looks...
Brilliant, couldn't agree with you more in general.... so you got a new fan, and Ive been a pro for 30+ years. Also you video edits are great as an aside...
Run N Gun It’s kind of ironic how Imposter Syndrome is apparently due to very similar thinking traps that the Dunning Kruger effect is. It’s all about not being able to process the idea that other people think and know different things to you. While DK is down to an inability to understand how little you know, imposter syndrome is down to an inability to understand how little everyone else knows. …and of course it doesn’t help that people without a clue will happily assert that they know it all.
Yes, it is. but it is something I hope I never fully overcome. It keeps me trying new things hoping I'll find whatever it is that I think a "photographer" is. Make peace with knowing you don't know it all, after that learning it, trying for that elusive shot becomes as fresh as when we were beginning. That feeling of "newness" will show in your work.
I think i have imposter syndrome but i could also be telling myself the truth, if someone could help me decide that would be helpful, my instagram is @ryann.simmons
I feel like it's also an after effect of having gone through thinking you were good when you weren't yet. Now that my art opened up to all the things I don't know, my progress always feels like it isn't quite enough because there's still so much to learn and create. I'll never be so statically comfortable in my abilities again, but like L8nitedave said, it's a good thing which can motivate you to push your edge!
You get it mate! It’s so refreshing to hear people teaching how to actually become a better photographer rather than how to fake your way through the industry by gaining a following on Instagram.
I am an artist and I already draw for about 15 years, and I think the best way to escape the trap is by meeting new peoples, I meet a lot of great artist and their works always stun me. It make mr know that there's a lot more to learn.
I don't agree with looking back on photos in 3 years and saying how bad they are. Did the pros do this...? Sure they did but some photos are great photos for a reason. Some photos can not be better then the way they were taken. Amanda crying on my bed. Did Nan Goldin look back in 3 years and say "what a terrible photo"?
ABSOLUTELY terrific message, Jamie. I'd imagine this title is going to capture a little more attention than say, "Why BEGINNER photographers THINK they're better than they are," or something like that, but it got me to watch! And I'm glad I did. Well, delivered and something I'd suggest a lot of people should watch.
That transition you did at about 15 second in may be the best transition Ive ever seen. And the expression on your face when you looked back up and it was snowing. Golden. Loved it
But I will say the best line I ever heard in photography. The only photographer you should compare yourself is to yourself. If I'm better in 6 months than I am now, I am ok with that. As long as you are improving, you are moving in the right direction. One good thing also, when I do get criticism, it's usually what I am thinking to (need work on posing, etc). To me, this tells me I am also on track, very few surprises.
You always gotta stay humble I know so many “photographers” who get a expensive camera and they get that title and as soon as they do they have “amazing pictures” but never show them. They never do photo shoots but they offer to do them. Meanwhile good photographers aren’t really stuck up. we’re who we are
I'm constantly mentally puking, when i see posters of some generic cold anorectic fantasy girl, with hizzy über-distant "who gives a fuck" attitude. The trend of anti-human. Beautiful fruits of the industrial era! Somehow, i really don't have the feelings (even some pathetic shreds) for these androids... Trends of the masses, brainwash.
so so true. I have just come to a milestone in my own understanding of photography and realise my old work is not that grand ... it made me think what I will be like in a few more years when I have mastered my new insights. I imagine just another milestone and the next adventurous phase begins. Thank god knowledge & understanding seems to be logarithmic, I'm starting to get old. Thank you for your videos .. you offer perspective and thought rather than just gear and pics.
Jokes on you, I underestimate myself on a daily basis
rosebud lol same
You know you underestimate yourself, so maybe you’re overestimating yourself :’)
@@ChristianJiang thats just cruel man haha
@@ChristianJiang that's false psychanalysis
Damn, you're a pro
Literally everyone on my school thinks that they’re “photographers” by taking a picture of a damn flower and have the background blurred😂
C R U Media lol same, they even have these albums called "mobile photography" and the same content of the focused flower and blurred background
You're saying there's more to being a photographer than having an Aperture of 2???
Legit tho 😂
you can make absolute beauty with flower and blurry background tho. My friend expert at flower photography and his work absolutely gorgeous.
I mean it's a start.
Rule #1: Instagram is not an accurate indicator of what is a good photo or video.
sol walker no.... the likes and attention brought onto a page on Instagram doesn’t mean that content is actually any good. Of course there’s great photographers on Instagram but it’s not an accurate source to judge what’s good and what isn’t based off the likes, comments and followers
@@peterc3619 there's so many fake likes and follows on Instagram too.
Especially when people buy followers
sol walker The likes, followers, comments/opinions, gear are missleading on instagram. Some people are also just copying trends and ideas from anyone else, which is ok (sometimes) but sometimes people‘s feed isn’t unique
To many experts telling you what you did wrong , but never telling you how to improve
"Just do projects for yourself for fun. You'll get better and better.
"
-Steve Wozniak
As a software dev, that's worked for me so far. I'll use that on photography as well
Laurence gr very true
This advice is something that’s making me a better and better filmmaker.
Came to learn about photography, left with life wisdom
Brett Consolacion came to learn...left disappointed & depressed
Accurate
Brett Consolacion Same
Brett Consolacion yah 😉
This video is overrated.
I always like to say: *If you think you're good, then you're not good enough.*
Damn. Solid advice. Im a douchbag and always think im good. Im starting to catch all my bullshitery
But if you always think that you're bad you'll be always bad. The law of attraction.
E drop
I know that I suck at screenwriting, but I’m not good enough to point out my own flaws yet.
And what happens if I think I'm shit?
It's generally good, but eventually it can just become a perpetual cycle of "I'm not good enough because I thought I was good. Maybe my doubt means I actually am good," rinse and repeat.
Personally, (Disregarding the actual skill part of the graph) my mind swings from perceiving myself as an expert to perceiving myself as no good. The problem is that due to their nature, they cause it to just perpetually swing. (I felt confident, fucked up, and now I feel less confident. I did something correctly while feeling unconfident, I must be getting better, gain confidence back)
I am not a photographer, nor have I ever wanted to be, so I am not sure why I clicked on this video. But those few small lessons you gave us can be applied to any business. Thank you and also really great productions. Enjoyed that without even being a photographer :)
Vesislava Todorova same
Vesislava Todorova
My D is rock hard
It really does lol I do stand-up comedy and could apply that advice
Vesislava Todorova couldnt be said better
Exact same feeling (applying it to miniature painting)
Solid life advice, not just for photographers.
Daniel Allegrucci was gna say the same
Very true.
agree
I knew this comment was already here
Yes, was thinking the exact same thing.
"A photo It doesnt matter how great the image quality is.. It matters how the photo makes you feel.." -kingjvpes
exactly - it's not always the quality that creates a feeling. It's the same with music. Sometimes you hear a song in a bad recording and maybe even the band is not great but something simply touches you.
Underated comment
I needed this, thank you
@@TimoMelvin Thank you as well
i always watch his videos
I find most photographers extremely toxic and judgmental. Real “center of the universe” types. Some people are in to photography as a hobby and don’t really need outside opinions as they are doing it for fun.
It amazes me that “art” has no rules and “anything can be art” but people in pretty much every artistic field, including photography, think everyone’s work that doesn’t follow the exact “good art” blueprint is bad. It makes no sense.
We end up living in a cookie cutter world of “unique” art that isn’t really art at all. It’s the same shit over and over. You can put lipstick on a pig.
I think the video itself is a summary of what you wrote
Its the same in the music industry, everyone is a envious fuck
You complain about how photographers are 'toxic and judgemental' and then later you complain that we're in a 'cookie cutter world of unique art' and that it's 'the same shit over and over.' Can you really not see how you are being just as toxic and judgemental as those you are complaining about?
How DARE you!???
Amen
Hi Jamie, great video! My issue is that today’s social media platforms enable mediocre photography through false perception from other non informed people. Meaning if someone has 100k followers one assumes they must be an amazing photographer when the truth is that sometimes the clout of social media presence may not always equal ability but a false sense of ability.
Damian Plisko I feel like this problem is happening everywhere. From where I live these famous guy charge a lot and they say it’s because they have a lot of follower. And people keep coming to these guy because they want to get known in social media not for the good photography. Meanwhile a photographer who don’t really play social media is having trouble even when he is in the same skill level.
In conclusion: always use social media to promote your work
What's interesting with your statement is you make the assumption that photography TH-camrs with 100K subs think they're good photographers. I get a lot of haters telling me I'm not a great photographer, but I never professed to be. I feel like I'm still really learning and I started making TH-cam videos to kind of take people along my learning journey and help them with lessons I've learned. Getting 100k subs or 1m+ views on video is something that just happens to you, not something you do.
Glad to see you here damian! I think youre right here. The problem is people on social media get photography mixed up with the content of the photo. So people really enjoy seeing things they can identify with so they start liking photos of hypercars and bikini-models and think that these are actually good photographs. I think thats where the 100k subs come from on a lot of social media platforms.. its just the content and not the actual photography.
Agree hundred percent
It's a hobby of mine to take bad pictures which I enjoy. Lol
Same. 🙃
That’s the spirit
hahaha, A "de-motivational poster I read once said, "if you can't learn to do something well, learn how to enjoy doing it poorly" image shows a guy slicing a golf ball out into the woods. Have fun.
If i think i'm a bad photographer... does that mean i'm actually a good photographer?
Yes, but as soon as you think you’re good, you become bad. It’s a vicious cycle.
@@emoimo4171 Faaaack (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
It probably means you aren't a good photographer but you know what you're doing, and are expierienced in photographer
It probably means you're about average.
It's irrelevant. If you know the work of a hundred famous photographers and can say why each is famous, then you'll have a foundation for judging how good your own work is.
I didn't come here to be attacked.
@@Based_Department r/wooosh
Too bad. I came here to attack you.
that's too bad. time to be attacked.
Where do you usually go?
By the hard truth
I'm an amateur photog who has been shooting for 30 years and will probably still call myself an amateur until the day I die. However, while I see the points you're trying to make, I can honestly say that some of the most creative photos I have ever taken were when I was in my teens, shooting on my original Canon Rebel 35 mm with the kit lens. It was a whole new world to me, and I experimented constantly. Many of the shots were poorly exposed, slightly out of focus or perhaps too abstract. And still... the older and more technically savvy I get, it's harder to tap into the blissfully ignorant joy and creativity of being a cocky young photographer who didn't know what I didn't know. In my day job, I'm a creative director managing graphic designers. I've often thought that you shouldn't be allowed to design any real work for clients until you have about 10 years of real-world experience under your belt... yet, sometimes I wish I could hire 20 year olds straight out of college to art direct the older designers. Why? Because young idealistic designers tend to have more creative and aspirational ideas. I'd like to see the graph that measures the decline of creativity as expertise increases. I imagine it too would show an inverse correlation.
McScott76 I totally agree with ya.
Yes! I’ve been a writer for 20 years. I’m far more competent now in my skill and technical ability, and yet the stuff I wrote when I didn’t know what I didn’t know had a fevered passion about it that I seldom achieve these days. Agree 100%!
Must be different to writing. I'm a published author and I'm getting hungrier with every book. I do what this guy says and I read widely, and I'm staggered by how far I have to go, how poor I am. I still feel the joy of having 'flow' and completing something original. I wonder if, in the day to day of administration and managing and mentoring, you've stopped challenging yourself, stopped seeking out the new. I say ' I wonder' because of course I don't know you, but my experience, as a 'creative' feels so different as the books go by, I wonder if a sabbatical might be required, a jolt that puts you in unfamiliar territory, the sense of being terrified, of 'winging it'.
Good luck anyway, I hope you find your mojo again.
Just wanna point out something I hate seeing people use wrong: Being an "amateur" is not a bad thing, it just means you're interessted doing it without making money about it. You can be a damn good amateur. Being"professional" means its your profession, your job. Many times, amateurs can be better then professionals because amateurs can experiment more, while the professional one is a lot more dependant on their income from doing what they do. You make "calling myself an amateur until the day I die" sound like youre always gonna be bad, but in reality, you're basicly saying "I will not turn photography into a job". There's definatly benefits with that btw; Once you turn a hobby into a job, you will somewhat like it less, because then youre depending on it and not only having fun doing it.
People missuse terms ameteur and pro these days. It does not define skill level nor quality of work. I have seen a lot of amateur photographs that are beautifull piece of art and also a lot of pro photographs that really, really sucks. And it is not just photography exclusive.
Basically: "In the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities. In the expert's, there are few." - Shunryū Suzuki
Beautiful
This is not just a photography video this is borderline educational material
Because photography video cannot be educational material?... really? xD
Jas Bataille ur dumb af
Whatchya' mean _borderline?_ ;^)
If you google "Why a bank robber thought covering himself in lemon juice would help him get away with it," you can see how much he took from that article without crediting it smh
You can replace the word “photography” with any other career or pastime, and this video would be just as applicable. Great video. Great message. [edit] I should add that I am a lawyer-turned-TH-camr... Everything he says in this video is 100% true of the practice of law aswell
Mauricio Vega bojack?
exactly. i felt this for animation
so beautiful this video
Exactly! I was thinking how this video also works for my guitar skills.
Exactly the same for cinematography
This video really works well for pretty much any topic where you can improve upon.
Finally youtube recommends me stuff that is actualy good
Before this video: Average self-esteem.
After video: Self-esteem not found.
Nice.
Same here
Why?
Hell yeah 😃😂😂😂
@@ihateunicorns867 I don't understand either. I don't think the point of this video was absorbed if you only felt a hit to your self esteem! I actually think the philosophy and perspective he's encouraging is really positive. It's about mindset and growth and focusing on what's important :)
Im going through the same.
But once i get to see my 'work', i'll be all cheer up :D
Mate,
This was INSANELY good. It's been popping up in my feed for a while and I am so glad that I finally clicked through and watched it. Let the binge begin...
That little weather transition edit at the beginning made me like the video before the 30 second mark.
I love how this video isn’t like “this person isn’t taking the photos correctly and should be doing them like this”, and it’s really telling people how to improve. How to change their mindset and how to understand where you want to be.
The point of photography is self expression. Who am I or anyone else to say that expression is in some way wrong? Yes, some photos have a broader appeal, but that in no way makes them better. Photography is art. Art can consist from the kind you put on the refrigerator to the kind you hang in the museum. All forms of self expression should be encouraged.
Art has rules and understanding to it. Picasso didn't make his iconic style until he was a master of standard portraiture. You're free to express yourself however you want, but many of us care about the craft of it and want to be competent.
It's not just that, it's not self expression if you are doing a job or working as a photographer for a client. If you want to make some photo art for yourself fine. But it's not a straight path..
@@phild9802 my comments were not directed to anything commercial. However, even there the parameters are narrow and not inclusive. It is very much like the music industry. What gets played and promoted is a very specific. What doesn't get recognized may have greater merit but social conditioning has not allowed for it.
If one chooses photography for business then follow a business plan. If do photography for art, let your imagination run free.
Yes, u absolutely right. And this video is absolutely wrong.
Yes Photography IS Art and ART is Purely Subjective
This doesn't just apply to photography - this applies to probably every single creative endeavour. Good advice.
1. amazing simple transitions. 2. Awesome video, you gave a FULL explanation of how this happens to everyone, including yourself. 3. thanks for the end with touching on studying other photographers. I need to do that more. Amazing job overall!
feel the same that i feel bruh
The thing that bothers me the most is that people thing being a photographer is easy
“All you do is push a button”
God that's so true! I was telling my friend about wanting to do some photography and she says something along the lines of "anyone can take a photo, it's not that hard" I just gave her a look. I compared that to saying "anyone can draw" and she got super offended and told me that drawing is actually hard...some people just don't get it.
Natalie As a photographer and a traditional artist. Those statements bother the hell out of me lol
I expierenced this with a client of mine. And she did bring her boyfriend.
While i was working, her BF was behind me sitting on the chair.
And said: well thats pretty easy to get paid right, i mean just pushing a button...
I was sooooo mad , so I did change my settings put the camera in his hands and said, here try for your self (with a big smile).
He tried and tried image was al black or too overexposed. And said to him: easy há photography .
Pffff poser 🤨 i was really pissed 😑
Cartier-Bressonsaid the same thing....guess that's why he preferred to paint/draw.
Damn right, and I push em well!
Every other photographer can tell you about the techniques and technicality of photography, but this it's all about the philosophy and psychology.
That's why this and your other videos are so brilliant.
This video is so good and you really nail the issue with everything you say! In less than 10 min you gave me more inspiration to evolve than anything else I’ve seen in probably the entire last year. I really like the quote about weather you should do anything, just because you can, and also looking at other reference and photographers, not just the ones popular at the moment. Thanks for posting this!
Thank you for writing such a nice comment. I'm glad it inspired you.
true!
Bro I know this is "about photography" but this is good life advice for literally everything.
Reading these comments makes me think the photography community is snooty...and it makes me want to keep to myself. I don't agree with it being necessary to feel bad about old work. I look back at older photos and know they aren't as good as my pics now but I realize that I didn't have as much knowledge about photography and was still learning back then and having fun. And considering how new everything was to me then, those photos were pretty good. I'm still learning now and will always be learning. I'm afraid to look at other prominent photographers work because I don't want to accidentally copy them. But this is just a hobby for me. This comment is kinda all over the place. 🤷🏽♀️
gigglyfitzgirl This is so relatable to me. It’s crazy.
What's your Instagram???
@@aliciaroberts1020 @kinamphotography
I also feel that some of my best photos came very early, but it's just a hobby for me too... I think Jamie's main point was that if you're trying to get a name for yourself, or to make a living, then you need to know who are the greats in the field and why they are great, and you need to be able to rank them. If you don't think they're so great, then do you understand why other people do?
Reading books (and looking at the reproductions in them) is one of the easiest ways to keep on learning.
Don't be afraid to look at others' work - as Picasso is supposed to have said, "good artists copy, great artists steal". Get inspired, get fresh eyes! Just acknowledge the person whom you're stealing from.
Alternative advice: 1) Take photographs you think are good. 2) Disregard what other photographers think about your work, but open-mindedly study what THEY thought was good in their work. 3) When someone else's notions of "good" interests and inspires you, expand your own definition of "good" and resume step 1. 4) Above all, give zero f-cks about anyone sermonizing you that what you think is good is not good enough, or not as good as you think.
I find there are three types of “Photographers.”
Those who are beginners ready to learn more and more.
Those who are beginners and are claimed professionals just because they have a camera and they learned how to use a “cool” filter for a social media post.
And then we have professionals who are really good, share their knowledge, and still learn from others.
Professional usually only refers to the fact you earn most of your living from a specific activity. No more, no less. That is what the word means, let us stick to that. Now there are camera users, in the same way people use a keyboard, a word-processor, a pen but are definitely not writers (and would not call themselves so), even less poets. There are good and bad writers, whether professional or not. There are technical writers, news writers, creative writers... now those calling someone a "professional photographer" people who "have a camera and they learned how to use a “cool” filter for a social media post" may not be the references one wants to have or listen to.
@@BrunoChalifour I know what professional means, but some beginner photographers claim to be professional. I get what you are saying, but overall to what I said their is some major truth. The word professional is so overly abused in the world of photography. Sorry I struck a nerve with me using it to describe a certain group that I have experienced in photography and I guess speaking the truth is a bad reference, but hey someone has to do it and my work is my work let everyone else judge.
@@konnorhalsey6981 Speaking the truth, especially with me, is the way to go, do not worry about that. My point to you is who says such things should tell you whom to listen to and whom to avoid. I agree with you that we live in a world where many words have lost their meaning and it makes it difficult for everyone to have a serious conversation. We need conversations where unfounded "opinions" are avoided if not banished, one where opinions are based on facts and personal experiences (not easy and loose generalizations), and where strict definitions of words are used.
What only said not only applicable in photography, it is relevant in every skill.
Sukalpa Kundu glad you understand, may be now you can apply that to your "English ", 😀😁😂
Jas Mann: little hiccups perhaps, but it's perfectly understandable and well-said. The way you channel your insecurities and yuck is uncommonly pathetic. Take a look in the mirror, time to self-reflect.
Ville Mononen did you mean "The way" rather than They way?
Jas Mann: The way, now corrected.
Ville Mononen 👍🏻
that weather transition killed me wow
I have been avoiding clicking on this video because I was expecting something discouraging, especially for new or amateur photographers. I am really glad that you proved me wrong. This was a great video. =)
HYPH8 Thanks. Sorry. I like to make negative-sounding titles then subvert expectation with a positive message.
That is probably a good way of thinking. It could help people with a negative outlook maybe find a more positive one.
HYPH8 That’s the idea. Thanks for your nice comments.
Alternative advice: 1) Take photographs you think are good. 2) Disregard what other photographers think about your work, but open-mindedly study what THEY thought was good in their work. 3) When someone else's notions of "good" interests and inspires you, expand your own definition of "good" and resume step 1. 4) Above all, give zero f-cks about anyone sermonizing you that what you think is good is not good enough, or not as good as you think.
As a student of jiu jitsu I love how concisely you put this - put aside your ego and be open to learning 🙏🙏🙏
Purple belt here.
I feel like a fraud some days.
I miss being a 3 stripe white belt. I felt I could take on the world. Easily.
Oss guys , keep it up
Theres only one point I disagree with. A photo someone takes years ago can still be a great photo years later. Great images are great images. Of course strive to be better but sometimes you produce pieces of content that stand the test of time.
its a photo...you point the camera and you click...thats it
I was going to say the same thing. I'm sure he agrees, he just didn't really get a chance to say it. I used to write poetry and a majority of the stuff I wrote years ago I think is just god awful, but there are some that I still can't believe came from me.
That comment made in this video reflects the lack of humility that so many "great" images are by accident, so they don't just come at the end of a career, there are pearls all along.
He’s speaking from the standpoint of someone who is a student of the craft. Meaning if you’re serious of photography or want to be a photographer, you’ll notice the flaws of your old work versus new stuff. It’s kind of like training yourself to draw, as you progress you’ll notice that you’re getting better and that’s a good sign versus looking back at you’re old stuff and thinking it’s great.
exactly!
I've waited the whole video to find out how to rob a bank. So disappointed!
You just walk in and ask the teller to put money in your bag.
Gotta use lime juice obviously.
This video is especially valid. I've been shooting for six months and I'll look back at a photo from four months ago and think, "Damn, why'd I post this online?" haha
Jake Morel Thanks. It’s a great sign that you’re improving fast.
Jake Morel yeahhhhh I think we all have those regrets that we were so proud of at one point
Jake Morel yeah, I’ve looked at my old stuff and shook my head as well
I’m a “photographer” but I know I still have a ton of room for improvement as I feel like my photography is pretty mediocre at best
Its about trying to do something new each time I go out I try to apply something new to my shot what ever it may be... I love Robert Frank and Saul Lieter so I am sure there are things they said or did that has influenced me.. But it's about finding that moment...
i feel ya
Yeah. It's shitty. Keep working tho
@@Pinhead101 😂
As dumb as I may be from time to time, I take solace in knowing I will never be so dumb as to inspire a team of researchers to figure out why I'm so dumb and then name said phenomena after me.
William Murphy lol. But then again, you will never know if you are that dumb.
:D
This video is too positive. I wanted you to drag some people
When I Look back to my 4months old photos I don't notice a huge difference, I got you man..I need to change I need to learn and try new things. Thanks man
I beat myself up a lot after a gig , sometimes end up crying until I get home and realize the pictures aren’t that bad :/
夢幻專家. I do similar with my work
I did my first video gig with today, I don't know a lot about videos but I did the best I could (bought gimball, did many testing etc...). I feeling so bad because I feel like the person who hired me will be disapointed, even if I told him I'm new to this...
Anyway, just to say this comment make me feel better :)
Bohoo
Me as well
Fun fact: "Photographers" today have more in common with graphic artist then they do with actual photography.
I'm onboard with this observation.
Why do you say that Billy? Because of Photoshop?
Lol this is stupid as fuck, it's like saying that guitarists who play rock music have more in common with EDM DJs than with other musicians because they use effects pedals to make their electric guitars sound distorted
It still takes knowledge and skills to take a good shot, but now they can add some personal flair to it if they want
@@fakename287 a bad photo is a bad photo even when edited, if the interest it's nule it will be nule. The thing is that people outside photography are not that educated on the art and when they see a sky all photoshoped to violet or a mediocre portrait on neons very edited they think it's good photography. That's more graphic design than any other thing and nowaday a lot of instagrammers only do that.
Photography in general adapts design elements and principles.
It's only lately that experimental photography have increased as the adobe suite was released.
Though experimental photography was used since the dawn of photography. Just without digital technology of course.
Oh this is super interesting. I've been playing violin for 12 years and I still think I'm shit but maybe it's just psychological?
Nina me too for about 8 years lol but I’m pretty sure I’m quite shit cause I’m only grade 4
Try asking other people, outside critique can really help you at these times
The tip to ask for critique is really the most important thing to do probably. At the other hand, the really big names already get a lot of critique when newspapers or online outlets write articles about a new exposition or just new work you made for some commercial or free work that happened to go viral.
Raize you are an idiot
Joris Maas Visuals do you ask for critique on your best pieces or just a random selection?
Haha dude that's me vaping away in the first seconds of the video! Outside my work right at the covent garden station, amazing! :D
Wow. Small world. The cold weather was creating these amazing white clouds of opaque smoke so I couldn't help but film it.
Lol, what are the chances of that?
Watches video on TH-cam: wait... That's me.
im the guy rubbing my balls against the wheelie bin just after that.
I was actually the pigeon that was just planing to take a shit on some loser vaping in the streets huh small world
@@raidengio HAAAH :O)
Bad photographers think they're awesome esp when they have new gear! lol
I got myself a cheap new lense, took a decent photo, I liked it when I took it, now a week later I think its just a copy of what many people have done before. I for sure am not creative, but I like fiddling around with camera settings to optimise for the result I want.
@@CookieAsArrow Cool. It's not a bad thing to be similar to what other people are doing- I guess the trick is to try and experiment on the craft and explore the limits of the gear and oneself.. do you have an instagram account?
@@iamyodaok I don't, i currently only take photographs for myself trying stuff out.
True. I know some of them
Lol, back when I was in college I use to help all my classmates style their shoots and be more creative... It helped a lot of them have better composition and ideas which led them to make better grades on projects so of course I got a little high on my horse, but when it came to portraits I lacked the ability to style and give direction so those same people that I helped with lifestyle / editorial product shoots helped me with directing people.... I think I prefer styling shoots with people when I know I am allowed to be creative with it but I know that I am no expert either. When I got my first camera and was starting out I took this really cool shot of a butterfly on a flower and thought I was awesome so I started calling myself a photographer and booking clients lol. I was horrible
"The more I know, the less I understand." Don Henley.
"I know that I know nothing" - Socrates
I'm not a photographer, but still enjoyed the video :)
Śmiem Wątpić photography is all about visual stimulation, listening to his own criticism about himself was boring.... he made photography sound like someone with a head case, depressing...
Witam pana
Pozdrawiam
I've been shooting for over 45 years. I recently decided to digitize a couple thousand of those old negs and slides from all those years back. I wound up throwing out 98% of those "treasured" images I kept for decades! I guess I have I have learned and grown! Thanks!
Sounds like everyone I have met in “marketing” and while working in a pro lab realising that 90% of “professional “ photographers had almost no idea. That was the film era. Now the average standard has risen dramatically due to instant feedback.
After 20 years shooting I’m still never satisfied with my results. I just have some images not as bad as others. I get told my works good but all I see are the mistakes and flaws.
the problem is you are looking for perfection, that will never happen, just chill out and have fun
Absolutely nothing wrong with this! I'm exactly the same, along with many, many other creatives... It's this mindset that has kept my hungry to be better than my competition and continue striving to expand my skills.
I'd rather stay critical than complacent.
1980Cog I'm like that too, but I do like my work and think its great but I'm always thinking about the mess ups and little imperfections too. I use professional photographers as my goal so I know what I need to work on.
It's when you stop seeing the imperfections in your work that you should start to worry.
That's it, this has convinced me. I'm burning my comfort zone and taking pictures of it! Awesome video. Sorry for the two people who it hit too close to home for...
Stumbled on this video randomly and realised it was meant to be. Really needed to hear this advice, thank you!
Hell I’m 55 years old and I always need to keep learning that’s what keeps me interested in photography. Nice job,
So, I think I'm bad at everything. So, that makes me an expert at everything? NICE
LtRyanP it sure does 😀😂
If you ask 10 totally different people if your work is bad and they all say yes, you probably are bad.
what an amazing video, love the framing from shot to shot, If you weren't doing a swish transition, you face from one shot to the next was in the same spot, making my eyes not have to hunt for the focal point between shots and having my brain focus on your message. Brilliantly composed video.
Ok so first of all sorry for my (maybe) horrible english, i'm brazilian and i've been working with photography for the last two years. In the first year i tried a lot of things, i photographed children's parties, weddings, pre-weddings shoots and all of this and in the beggining i rly liked but then i started to have contact with fashion photography and the fashion industry and in a way that i never imagine i just fall in love with it. So, i've made friends and i learn a lot with them and i ask them for feedbacks regularly about what i've been doing and i can see some progressives, but lately it was been so frustrating to look at my work and think "wtf i'm doing this is horrible and everybody is better than me, why i still trying, i'm fake and i dont know nothing" and then i get sad and start to try work on something better. Anyway, the thing is, i rly cry watching this video because it was so relieving to see that i just have these feelings because i'm rly trying to push foward and this something that i want so badly, i want to be better because i love what i do. Lately i was thinking a lot of givin up photography because of this feelings, but this video shows me that im in the right way (for a long time actually) and i just need to trust myself a little bit more. Thank you for this! Rly! Thank you :)
Renan cê só sabe reclamar I’m glad I could help you.
That was excellent advice Jamie. Thank you.
All the “photographers” on instagram need to see this.
Photography is not even my hobby, but this is pretty relevant to a lot of skills or crafts
This is definitely great advice for any form of art.
Change my mind about photography and my life. Thanks!
I've seen first hand what happens when someone thinks they are pro but far from it. My friend decided overnight she was going to be a photographer, I taught her the bare basics and a week later I find out she's throwing around business cards as a photographer. Despite my warnings she was hired to shoot a wedding, she asked me to come with as her assistant, I wanted no part of it lol. Of course she was sued later for the god awful work you'd expect from someone who has no idea what they are doing.
Early on I shot four weddings. All done as a favor because the families could not afford to hire a pro. Luck was on my side, the pictures were fine. The best of the four was my brother-in-law. Thank goodness! The others were just glad to have pictures of the day. So, all was well, and I didn't get sued!!
Best video about photography I've seen in a long time. Especially the tip to stop following the trends but look at old photographers or photographers who tell a story through their work. I've been telling people to stop using prisma's and looking at Brandon Woelfel, but instead by a book about vivian maier or henri cartier bresson. I enjoyed the psychology lesson in the beginning too. Good thing to always keep in mind when you're evaluating you work. Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Mr Gijs I’m glad you agree. Thanks for your nice comment. 👍
I'm curious, why shouldn't people look at Brandon? While his style might not be appealing to some of us, it is appealing to others. There isnt one way to be a "good" artist/photographer. Just curious your thinking on this.
Brandon Woelfel is talented whether you wanna believe so or not
You could tell musicians today to listen to bach and beethoven, but styles evolve..
Minority Nomad I think I’m going to make a video entitled _I don’t hate Brandon Woelfel_ in which I explain the difference between hating a specific photographer and encouraging people to look at other photographers as well.
Great work Jamie.. thank you for just being here sharing your thoughts. You really make a difference.
excellent video, so well said and concise!
4:28 "I never look back, darling. It distracts from the NOW."
There are so many people who take lousy photos and when you tell them that their photos can be improved, they get instantly defensive. A lot of people have no clue how to take a great photo.
Michael Gordon Thats normal. If you want them to improve it is usually better to just be like "Have you read this book" or "Have you seen *person*". In other words, it is better to bring them deeper and let them realize it on their own.
And you think you do right?? LOL
No offense but why do you think you're right? Art is subjective. Especially if they aren't asking for help or advice.
Michael Gordon there are also great photographers who take lousy pictures and because they are considered ‘pros’ and critiqued by fellow ‘pros’ they get positive criticism, photography is subjective, all the time, you have to have a good eye for a great picture...even so called professionals use the ‘spray and pray technique’ hoping that post editing will make a lousy picture a good one...
Often, when people are getting defensive and take critique as a negative thing instead of a positive thing, they are insecure or just arrogant right? But where does the point come where someone really did choose to do work like the way he or she does. How can you make the difference in made choices as a creative person clear to the world without falling into excuses because you actually do or don't master the Art of whatever you perform?
Hey dude, not sure if you see this, but here goes. I clicked on this because it was recommended, but I'm not a photographer. I am going through some shit irl, and for some reason everything you said about photography, helped my perspective on what I need to change in my life, and I'm suddenly in a much better mood! You earned a sub, hope you see this and thank you!
You're my photography therapist :) I've been suffering from so many things you've mentioned and feel much more encouraged now. Thank you very much for this video. Cheers!
imo, its better that bad photographer thinks he is good than a good photographer thinking that he is bad... bad one will push him self out there do jobs fail and learn and suceed more than a good one just being scared thinking he is bad and he cant do this or that...
dancidancii it’s a fine line really
First time here on this channel. He said the truth, he educated the viewers in photography and in life in general. What I don't get is the amount of the dislikes.. oh, internet..
Greg Runtunuwu A lot of the hater comments on this video seem like the people commenting haven’t actually watched the video. I imagine people are just reacting to the title.
Haters hate, That's all.
What I like in photography is that you have a lot to learn and it takes years of experiance to get better. It's not just to snap a photo, there's so much more into it. It's technical, but atristic at the same time. I like experimenting and learning and there is tons of it in photography. I feel the need to express myself and I get to do this through photography.
I just rewatched this video after 2 years. You have no idea how much I needed it.
I suffer the opposite, after a degree and a masters and several years of training. I still think I’m not that good of a photographer, which then makes me terrified to work professionally, makes me anxious that I don’t actually look for payed work. Although maybe I am crap... I don’t know.
You are good....have the courage of your convictions, move forward and get paid for doing something you are, so obviously passionate about!
If people pay you for your work, you're good enough. Let your work speak for you and measure success by the paychecks you get. Someday you'll look back and wonder why someone would pay you for such crap images. And yet, it met their needs. It made them happy. They got what they wanted, and you got paid. It's as simple as that. This idea that everyone needs to be Ansel Adams or Annie Liebovitz to be "worthy" is just crap. The skill you need to be a "real" photographer is just enough to meet the needs of your client at a level of pay you're willing to accept. In other words, it's commerce. If you want to make "art" do that on your own time. If you're looking to work professionally, then you need to see the work for what it is -- an exchange of a service for payment. Period.
Yikes
McScott makes a really good point. I watched an F-stoppers video of them critiquing wedding photos. They completely tore apart (figuratively, not literally lol) this one photo and the photographer who took it commented saying it was tough to hear their criticism but that he'd take it to heart and keep improving. Now I just got married last year (I'm not a photographer) and I was pretty particular about the photos I wanted, I spent months looking at websites and emailing people and I paid a lot to make sure I hired a photographer that had great photos. That said, I thought his photo was *beautiful*. I very well could have been his client and I would have been so happy with his photos and I was kind of annoyed that they were making him feel bad about something that I thought was perfect. Their complaints were kind of technical "he should've edited the scar off her shoulder" or "he should've cropped it a little bit more". I was looking at it from the perspective of "does it look beautiful to me and capture the spirit I want?"
Sorry this was a very long comment, but my point is, put the work you're proud of out there, and the people who find it beautiful will hire you. You don't have to have approval from every snooty photographer in order to be qualified, all that matters is what the clients who are paying you think (and yourself of course!)
What’s your instagram
"Is that like a personal attack or something?!"
Very, very good video! Honestly I think the title is "bad" as it made me expect some sort of bashing of amateur photographers, but nonetheless - as someone who has already set his mind to learning and improving, seeking those flaws in myself that I might have been completely unaware of - I clicked on it to see if there's something in here that might to some degree apply to me.
I've discovered this effect in myself in a somewhat altered way in myself a couple of years ago - I was good (as a musician), but the technical quality of my work was quite a bit below "industry standard". But thinking that I was special, I expected the world to recognise my talent. At some point I realised many people out there making music that was more "wow", and I started to analyse what they did and adapted those things from their work that struck me personally as outstanding.
There's a lot of value in the habit of constantly looking at the work of others for learning about new techniques and (more importantly) inspiration on how to use them.
Buargh!! The worst are those people in FB groups that ask "what plugin did you use for that effect?" so they can be the copy of a copy of a cheap fashion trend.
Well, I almost didn't, because I'm not interested in the bashing of photographers that I expected behind the title - it was recommended to me a couple of times, and only eventually I decided to give it a chance, suspecting that in the negativity that I expected here there might be something to learn for me.
I think I would have clicked on it much sooner if it had been named something like "How you know if you are a good photographer".
Ahhh I have that same pet peeve. When twitter or instagram influencers ask what "codes" they used to get that photography effect. Im like ARGH stop using these apps and filters and calling it photography!!
Agreed. :)
My guess is that they want to be viewed as "professionals" while craving the instant gratification of a photo that "automatically" looks "good". ;)
I see myself as the opposite - I'd rather create my own look, even if there's a preset out there that could nail it better. I want to learn and understand and perhaps stumble upon an effect that I didn't expect, discover new looks...
Dino Schachten all well said Dino! I experienced the exact same thing with my music.
Brilliant, couldn't agree with you more in general.... so you got a new fan, and Ive been a pro for 30+ years.
Also you video edits are great as an aside...
Great information in here Jamie, imposter syndrome is definitely hard to overcome when you start getting good.
Run N Gun It’s kind of ironic how Imposter Syndrome is apparently due to very similar thinking traps that the Dunning Kruger effect is. It’s all about not being able to process the idea that other people think and know different things to you. While DK is down to an inability to understand how little you know, imposter syndrome is down to an inability to understand how little everyone else knows. …and of course it doesn’t help that people without a clue will happily assert that they know it all.
Yes, it is. but it is something I hope I never fully overcome. It keeps me trying new things hoping I'll find whatever it is that I think a "photographer" is. Make peace with knowing you don't know it all, after that learning it, trying for that elusive shot becomes as fresh as when we were beginning. That feeling of "newness" will show in your work.
I think i have imposter syndrome but i could also be telling myself the truth, if someone could help me decide that would be helpful, my instagram is @ryann.simmons
I feel like it's also an after effect of having gone through thinking you were good when you weren't yet. Now that my art opened up to all the things I don't know, my progress always feels like it isn't quite enough because there's still so much to learn and create. I'll never be so statically comfortable in my abilities again, but like L8nitedave said, it's a good thing which can motivate you to push your edge!
keep it on man you got some great stuff on there ;)
"Always keep learning" is one of my mottos in life - it is seriously the best thing we can ever do. Thanks for the inspiration.
The fact that this was in my recommended really got to me. I thank You for this video!
You get it mate! It’s so refreshing to hear people teaching how to actually become a better photographer rather than how to fake your way through the industry by gaining a following on Instagram.
I am an artist and I already draw for about 15 years, and I think the best way to escape the trap is by meeting new peoples, I meet a lot of great artist and their works always stun me. It make mr know that there's a lot more to learn.
the transition from normal looking day to snow made me crack up. i love it.
When their photography knowledge begins and ends at 'Rule of Thirds' =_=
I'm guilty of that lol or at least i was at some point
Well said, good advice and a reminder to keep learning and stay humble. Thanks Jamie.
I don't agree with looking back on photos in 3 years and saying how bad they are.
Did the pros do this...? Sure they did but some photos are great photos for a reason. Some photos can not be better then the way they were taken.
Amanda crying on my bed. Did Nan Goldin look back in 3 years and say "what a terrible photo"?
@Foto4Max At least 12 people agree with me.
Finally a TH-camr said what is needed to be said...
ABSOLUTELY terrific message, Jamie. I'd imagine this title is going to capture a little more attention than say, "Why BEGINNER photographers THINK they're better than they are," or something like that, but it got me to watch! And I'm glad I did. Well, delivered and something I'd suggest a lot of people should watch.
Ed Verosky lol that's just a euphemism this title has the uncomfortable truth
I’m pretty sure this can happen to non-beginner photographers as well, maybe they are good but still see themselves better than they really are.
That transition you did at about 15 second in may be the best transition Ive ever seen. And the expression on your face when you looked back up and it was snowing. Golden. Loved it
But I will say the best line I ever heard in photography. The only photographer you should compare yourself is to yourself. If I'm better in 6 months than I am now, I am ok with that. As long as you are improving, you are moving in the right direction. One good thing also, when I do get criticism, it's usually what I am thinking to (need work on posing, etc). To me, this tells me I am also on track, very few surprises.
You always gotta stay humble I know so many “photographers” who get a expensive camera and they get that title and as soon as they do they have “amazing pictures” but never show them. They never do photo shoots but they offer to do them. Meanwhile good photographers aren’t really stuck up. we’re who we are
Sounds like you can't afford any nice gear lol
Christina Cathryn 😂 I rly can’t
the "dont jump on the hype" part is so true
Kevin Qian Right? If I see another damn underexposed landscape with a dude wearing a red hoodie standing in center foreground, I think I'll puke.
I'm constantly mentally puking, when i see posters of some generic cold anorectic fantasy girl, with hizzy über-distant "who gives a fuck" attitude. The trend of anti-human. Beautiful fruits of the industrial era! Somehow, i really don't have the feelings (even some pathetic shreds) for these androids... Trends of the masses, brainwash.
Very interesting video. It makes me think and reflect about my photography work. Thanks.
so so true. I have just come to a milestone in my own understanding of photography and realise my old work is not that grand ... it made me think what I will be like in a few more years when I have mastered my new insights. I imagine just another milestone and the next adventurous phase begins. Thank god knowledge & understanding seems to be logarithmic, I'm starting to get old.
Thank you for your videos .. you offer perspective and thought rather than just gear and pics.
I love this not with just photography but with anything. I read some of my old lyrics I wrote at ages 14-18 they made my face scrunch up lol
Wow this video is super good! Thank you for all of that explaining. I didn't realize that so much went into the "rush of confidence".
This guy needs to be a mentor and not a photographer. This is the best video I have watched in ten years. And am not a photographer!