You misunderstood how mitigation works, it works separately from armor. Its a percent chance to ignore 50% damage. You currently have 30% chance to ignore 50% damage only while crouching (from 2 perks in cool tree) which is 15% damage reduction. Adding 19% mitigation strength from cyberware would make it a 30% chance to ignore 69% damage = 20.7% damage reduction while crouching.
Your calculation for damage reduction sounds inconsistent with your own definition. If it’s a chance to ignore damage then you either ignore the 50% damage or receive full damage. The 15% implies that it’s no longer a chance but is always applied.
@@redeye259 The 15% is average damage reduction. If you have a 30% chance to ignore half damage or 15% chance to ignore all damage they are mathematically the same on average
@@redeye259What he said is perfectly consistent. Armor and mitigation are 2 separate systems. They can and do stack. Armor is a damage reduction on all incoming damages (likely in differing percentages based on the type of damage). So if your armor is x you will reduce incoming damage by x%, on every hit. Mitigation on the other hand is like your character semi-dodging a blow. It makes it a glancing blow so you don’t take full damage. So mitigation chance is how likely you are to “dodge” a blow and strength is how much the dodge reduces the blow. If you do the math this guy explained you get the “average damage reduction” over a number of attacks but it doesn’t reduce every attack like armor. It’s like saying if you flip a coin 1000 times you’re most likely going to end up about 50%/50% heads and tails.
Great video - I especially like how you didn’t fully flesh it out, you focussed on the core gameplay mechanics of the build and left room for the viewer to add their personal touch. Really good job on walking the viewer through the perks, what they do and how they impact the feel of the build too. Overall a great video!
You have a perk that requires you have all available cyberware slots filled to work, but you don't have all of your slots filled. You might want to move that point or fill in the 40 points of overhead you have left with edgerunner using some low-point intensive stuff. Also, I'm pretty sure you didn't do the mitigation calculation correctly. Mitigation only applies to some attacks, not all of them. Armor applies to both mitigated and unmitigated hits. Armor, overall, is more reliable, but it's hard to say which is more impactful defensively without knowing several values like mitigation %, mitigation strength, and armor. You can't really find an effective DR by simply multiplying it as a percentage of a single piece of armor. Will agree though that the specific piece should probably be one of the last you upgrade because it nerfs one stat to increase another. Most other upgrades don't have that sort of trade off where you have to do involved math to figure out if it's worth or not.
They really need to improve the iconics for throwing weapons. Melee mods can slot into throwing weapons, So bleedout tier 5 100% crit chance on bleed effect, and Silencio 100% crit chance and 50% crit damage while crouched and undetected.
So far, the best throwing weapon I have found is called "Claw" a cleaver like hatchet it isn't an iconic. At tier 5+ it does 155 damage. Hard enough to knock heads clean off. The best luck I have had finding it was off of 6th street gang members.
How do you feel about the Throwing Axes? I loved my throwing knife build its so dope to see it get more love, I am working on an alternative to the Quick/Sneaky style for a Terminator/Kratos style Unarmed throwing axes build chromed up cyber psycho Actually I just realized Krieg from BL2 is kinda perfect fit
I think throwing axes would be alot of fun especially as a chromed up pyscho! Might give it a try on my own time. Especially going full stealth with throwable weapons and playing a "ninja" sorta build.
Out of curiosity, are those knives the best option even over some iconics? Or did you pick those to maintain consistency in your demonstration and testing? It looked like they werent even modded so i wasnt sure. Great video!
I just picked them as they were the first legendary knife at the knife vendor, lol. But also because that way I'm using a "normal" knife that doesn't have special stats of buffs that could effect testing the build.
If you do all the fixer quests in Watson you can get a way better named "newton module", it has 10% OS regen on kill I think, also lvl30+ Militech Falcon (or another iconic lvl 50 lategame sandevistan) gives another 10% OS regen on kill so having those two will kinda make you perma-hasted if you have non-boss npcs to wade through. How will this build stand against Adam Smasher tho? It's def OP but after you run out of juice it becames a lil bit too fragile IMO
That's a very good question, I think the build would be pretty competitive against adam smasher, but you are right about running out of juice and having the possibly to become vulnerable. This is where I would personally bring netrunning into this build and unlock "queue mastery / Spillover" and their supporting perks.
@@SWIFTMEDIAOG yeah! sounds like the most reasonable synergy for this build, would also make the most-badass stealth setup possible! On another hand if we forgo netrunning completely for this run and use Sandy exclusively I'd go for 15/15/15/20 of STR/DEX/TECH/COOL for max survivability + mobility and insane damage potential, or something "jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none" like 15 INT for netrunning, 15 body and 15 tech for max survivability, 9 reflexes for mobility (dodging massively helps with survivability on very hard it seems, much more than all the mitigation, HP and armor 15/15 STR/COOL provides). 15 cool should be somewhat fine because losing the last perks in the cool tree doesn't hamper us much since we already have almost max crit - 5% DEX +15% +25% cyberware +40% Sandy active Shinobi skill lvl 60 bonus + last bits from cyberware passive bonuses... That would be extremely flexible and playstyle-tunable for whatever task you wanna do the way you wanna do it, on top of that 50->60 level cap raise from DLC would allow us to get some last lvl 20 perks in a couple of stats aswell to "specialize" the build, that's really cool
@@SWIFTMEDIAOGHow would you go about bringing netrunning into this build, would you stop using a sandevistan? I already have 20 Int, 20 Cool, and 20 Tech rn with 15 reflex so I'm trying to make this build work right now
Throwing knifes do almost 10 times the damage of a mid range pistol or rifle shot…. Only close range shotgun obliterate can match throwing knifes or melee now
@@timothypricesr5953 which is silly, and I guess that’s how the game works now. Knives don’t have good range IRL. I throw knives and axes from time to time with two very devoted hobbyists.
@@somekindadragon3414 if you apply real world logic to a game you’ll come undone, agreed in this sense, if *I* get shot in the head once or a knife in my head then yes, I’m not getting back up. In game however, it’s down to the weapons power. There are iconic guns with more power where you can snipe and one-shot mobs. But guns have clips, they have more DPS, for balancing purposes, a knife is a one-time use with a cooldown. They have higher DPH (damage per hit) to compensate for the fact they have a cooldown after being thrown. Obviously this is removed with perks and good aim as shown in this video. I keep wanting to make a build which is “assassin” like, but I personally can’t move away from thrown knives as my primary weapon of choice for stealth take downs as it’s just so satisfying!
I made a knife throwing build only at 9 cool and its already dealing 900 damage per face hit. 20 cool just adds an extra 200 damage to that? Also, does visual cortex support affect the crit chance for knives?
Interested to see how it went in the Edo boss fight? I tried it at level 31, and was very frustrated, was use to a stealth kill on that fight back in 1.5. Ended up switching to katana build as I did have 15 in reflex, and only 9 in tech, but had the 20 in cool. Please let me know. God i hope its not just that I need to "get good" lol.
I'm not sure how it fairs in the Edo boss fight, I mainly test with enemies that don't require tons of missions or story to interact with, Though If I have access to cyberpyschos or other "bosses" I will use them, as testing would take days on days too complete and result in video taking forever to make.
You don't even have all of your slots filled for cyborg to take effect lol. And style over substance is honestly a bad skill, you can get damn near 100% crit during sandevistan already.
I know that with Phantom Liberty Mantis blades have a brand new buff that can be found in the relic perk tree called "Jailbreak" This "perk" effects "Mantis Blades, Gorilla Arms, Projectile Launch System and Monowire" Giving all these cyberware new and different buffs But "Jailbreaks" Mantis blade specific buff is as follows Dismembering an enemy or performing a Finisher with Mantis Blades will charge the next Leap Attack. "You can hold your Attack Button down and then release to perform a Long-Range Leap Attack A charged Leap Attack with Mantis Blades has +30 M. longer reach and deals massive damage with a wide slash that hits the target and other nearby enemies Killing an enemy with this attack also dismembers them.
@@babyyyz7948 I haven’t played since 2.0 came out… ill throw it out there once I have a chance to set it up again. Although I am tempted to do a dashing shotgun build this time around lol.
What I find amusing about videos like these is they keep shilling Style Over Sub and I barely see any Yellow DMG. 🤣 That pretty much lets you double down on Crit DMG.
You misunderstood how mitigation works, it works separately from armor. Its a percent chance to ignore 50% damage. You currently have 30% chance to ignore 50% damage only while crouching (from 2 perks in cool tree) which is 15% damage reduction. Adding 19% mitigation strength from cyberware would make it a 30% chance to ignore 69% damage = 20.7% damage reduction while crouching.
Your calculation for damage reduction sounds inconsistent with your own definition. If it’s a chance to ignore damage then you either ignore the 50% damage or receive full damage. The 15% implies that it’s no longer a chance but is always applied.
@@redeye259welcome to math
@@bentaro9743 This math ain’t mathing tho…
@@redeye259 The 15% is average damage reduction. If you have a 30% chance to ignore half damage or 15% chance to ignore all damage they are mathematically the same on average
@@redeye259What he said is perfectly consistent. Armor and mitigation are 2 separate systems. They can and do stack. Armor is a damage reduction on all incoming damages (likely in differing percentages based on the type of damage). So if your armor is x you will reduce incoming damage by x%, on every hit. Mitigation on the other hand is like your character semi-dodging a blow. It makes it a glancing blow so you don’t take full damage. So mitigation chance is how likely you are to “dodge” a blow and strength is how much the dodge reduces the blow. If you do the math this guy explained you get the “average damage reduction” over a number of attacks but it doesn’t reduce every attack like armor. It’s like saying if you flip a coin 1000 times you’re most likely going to end up about 50%/50% heads and tails.
Great video - I especially like how you didn’t fully flesh it out, you focussed on the core gameplay mechanics of the build and left room for the viewer to add their personal touch.
Really good job on walking the viewer through the perks, what they do and how they impact the feel of the build too. Overall a great video!
You have a perk that requires you have all available cyberware slots filled to work, but you don't have all of your slots filled. You might want to move that point or fill in the 40 points of overhead you have left with edgerunner using some low-point intensive stuff.
Also, I'm pretty sure you didn't do the mitigation calculation correctly. Mitigation only applies to some attacks, not all of them. Armor applies to both mitigated and unmitigated hits. Armor, overall, is more reliable, but it's hard to say which is more impactful defensively without knowing several values like mitigation %, mitigation strength, and armor. You can't really find an effective DR by simply multiplying it as a percentage of a single piece of armor. Will agree though that the specific piece should probably be one of the last you upgrade because it nerfs one stat to increase another. Most other upgrades don't have that sort of trade off where you have to do involved math to figure out if it's worth or not.
Excellent work. I will definitely be running this. I may add on some sniper rifle usage and max Reflexes to allow for long range combat as well 👍🏻
They really need to improve the iconics for throwing weapons. Melee mods can slot into throwing weapons, So bleedout tier 5 100% crit chance on bleed effect, and Silencio 100% crit chance and 50% crit damage while crouched and undetected.
Oh Thank you Thank you Thank you I've been waiting for someone to make this build 🥺🥺
Amazing build, did something similar myself, but learned some new stuff from you, great job!
So far, the best throwing weapon I have found is called "Claw" a cleaver like hatchet it isn't an iconic. At tier 5+ it does 155 damage. Hard enough to knock heads clean off.
The best luck I have had finding it was off of 6th street gang members.
But hatchets don't have as high headshot modifier
How do you feel about the Throwing Axes? I loved my throwing knife build its so dope to see it get more love, I am working on an alternative to the Quick/Sneaky style for a Terminator/Kratos style Unarmed throwing axes build chromed up cyber psycho
Actually I just realized Krieg from BL2 is kinda perfect fit
I mean it's your game play how you want
@Ccubed92 ?? Lol im asking for an opinion not telling someone how to play, learn to read
I think throwing axes would be alot of fun especially as a chromed up pyscho! Might give it a try on my own time.
Especially going full stealth with throwable weapons and playing a "ninja" sorta build.
Great build….super fun to play….I went throwing knives also my first character but noticed quite a few things wrong after watching this…..so thanks ;)
Out of curiosity, are those knives the best option even over some iconics? Or did you pick those to maintain consistency in your demonstration and testing? It looked like they werent even modded so i wasnt sure. Great video!
I just picked them as they were the first legendary knife at the knife vendor, lol. But also because that way I'm using a "normal" knife that doesn't have special stats of buffs that could effect testing the build.
@SWIFTMEDIAOG ah okay thanks!
If you do all the fixer quests in Watson you can get a way better named "newton module", it has 10% OS regen on kill I think, also lvl30+ Militech Falcon (or another iconic lvl 50 lategame sandevistan) gives another 10% OS regen on kill so having those two will kinda make you perma-hasted if you have non-boss npcs to wade through. How will this build stand against Adam Smasher tho? It's def OP but after you run out of juice it becames a lil bit too fragile IMO
That's a very good question, I think the build would be pretty competitive against adam smasher, but you are right about running out of juice and having the possibly to become vulnerable. This is where I would personally bring netrunning into this build and unlock "queue mastery / Spillover" and their supporting perks.
@@SWIFTMEDIAOG yeah! sounds like the most reasonable synergy for this build, would also make the most-badass stealth setup possible! On another hand if we forgo netrunning completely for this run and use Sandy exclusively I'd go for 15/15/15/20 of STR/DEX/TECH/COOL for max survivability + mobility and insane damage potential, or something "jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none" like 15 INT for netrunning, 15 body and 15 tech for max survivability, 9 reflexes for mobility (dodging massively helps with survivability on very hard it seems, much more than all the mitigation, HP and armor 15/15 STR/COOL provides). 15 cool should be somewhat fine because losing the last perks in the cool tree doesn't hamper us much since we already have almost max crit - 5% DEX +15% +25% cyberware +40% Sandy active Shinobi skill lvl 60 bonus + last bits from cyberware passive bonuses... That would be extremely flexible and playstyle-tunable for whatever task you wanna do the way you wanna do it, on top of that 50->60 level cap raise from DLC would allow us to get some last lvl 20 perks in a couple of stats aswell to "specialize" the build, that's really cool
@@SWIFTMEDIAOGHow would you go about bringing netrunning into this build, would you stop using a sandevistan? I already have 20 Int, 20 Cool, and 20 Tech rn with 15 reflex so I'm trying to make this build work right now
If you add David’s apogee sandy I think the build would be way more OP and fun to mess around with
I should really give throwing knives a chance, it’s similar to pistols which I enjoy. Just when I miss, I can just start blasting
Throwing knifes do almost 10 times the damage of a mid range pistol or rifle shot…. Only close range shotgun obliterate can match throwing knifes or melee now
“Why do I need to shoot 10 bullets when I can throw one knife?” Is basically my mantra.
@@51914-m it just doesn’t make sense, I’m not arguing with you that this is how the game works, I guess I have to try it.
@@timothypricesr5953 which is silly, and I guess that’s how the game works now. Knives don’t have good range IRL. I throw knives and axes from time to time with two very devoted hobbyists.
@@somekindadragon3414 if you apply real world logic to a game you’ll come undone, agreed in this sense, if *I* get shot in the head once or a knife in my head then yes, I’m not getting back up.
In game however, it’s down to the weapons power. There are iconic guns with more power where you can snipe and one-shot mobs. But guns have clips, they have more DPS, for balancing purposes, a knife is a one-time use with a cooldown. They have higher DPH (damage per hit) to compensate for the fact they have a cooldown after being thrown. Obviously this is removed with perks and good aim as shown in this video.
I keep wanting to make a build which is “assassin” like, but I personally can’t move away from thrown knives as my primary weapon of choice for stealth take downs as it’s just so satisfying!
The percentage at tier 5+ isn't showing right, it for some reason shows the stats for teir 4+
Hello, I have a question, does the blade shaft take knives into account too? or only katanas?
I made a knife throwing build only at 9 cool and its already dealing 900 damage per face hit. 20 cool just adds an extra 200 damage to that? Also, does visual cortex support affect the crit chance for knives?
Man we need a mod that add shurikens as a throwable weapon
see I figured I was doing something right with the throwing knifes
How does the EMP in the tech tree help so much? For me it just does a bunch of self damage and gets me unnecessarily hurt
Interested to see how it went in the Edo boss fight? I tried it at level 31, and was very frustrated, was use to a stealth kill on that fight back in 1.5. Ended up switching to katana build as I did have 15 in reflex, and only 9 in tech, but had the 20 in cool. Please let me know. God i hope its not just that I need to "get good" lol.
I'm not sure how it fairs in the Edo boss fight, I mainly test with enemies that don't require tons of missions or story to interact with, Though If I have access to cyberpyschos or other "bosses" I will use them, as testing would take days on days too complete and result in video taking forever to make.
i always follow knives to the knee with frag granades...
100% works
So I have a question. How do you achínale active camo? I have the skill but it never makes me invisible?
You put it in the slot where grenades usually go. And hit RB to activate it.
mine was pretty close to yours just dont know if they count throwables as melee damage still
Good question, I've yet to test if melee perks effect throwable weapons. I'm going to assume that they don't, but I could be wrong.
You don't even have all of your slots filled for cyborg to take effect lol. And style over substance is honestly a bad skill, you can get damn near 100% crit during sandevistan already.
I need a ar build
can you make a build for mantis blade?
Man it kinda feels like the mantis blades suck in comparison to ANY of the katanas
I know that with Phantom Liberty Mantis blades have a brand new buff that can be found in the relic perk tree called
"Jailbreak" This "perk" effects "Mantis Blades, Gorilla Arms, Projectile Launch System and Monowire" Giving all these cyberware new and different buffs
But "Jailbreaks" Mantis blade specific buff is as follows
Dismembering an enemy or performing a Finisher with Mantis Blades will charge the next Leap Attack.
"You can hold your Attack Button down and then release to perform a Long-Range Leap Attack
A charged Leap Attack with Mantis Blades has +30 M. longer reach and deals massive damage with a wide slash that hits the target and other nearby enemies
Killing an enemy with this attack also dismembers them.
@@gavinsylvester3527I loved jumping around with mantis blades… but katana style points are hard to beat. Who am I kidding I use both of them anyways
@@You0nlyLiveoncecan u share the build bro?
@@babyyyz7948 I haven’t played since 2.0 came out… ill throw it out there once I have a chance to set it up again.
Although I am tempted to do a dashing shotgun build this time around lol.
Whats the point of taking newton module over axolotl? Axolotl gives you -10% cooldown on kill
I think I like my body/cool build better.
What I find amusing about videos like these is they keep shilling Style Over Sub and I barely see any Yellow DMG. 🤣
That pretty much lets you double down on Crit DMG.
Is this build viable on bosses?
I would say yes. I tested it on phantom liberty's increased criminal activities on very hard, and was able to defeat them.
Where do I get all of the cyber wear
You should be able to head to any ripper doc location on the map to obtain the cyberware I used in the video.
How to get xp boots
You can consume food to get character buffs and if you sleep in V's apartment you will have an xp boost for 60 mins irl.