Why Metalheads HATE Torture - Enduring Freedom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2025
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Keywords: heavy metal, hardcore, metalcore, posthardcore, slam, slamdeathmetal, brutal death metal, death metal, music, comedy
A deep analysis on the brutal death metal band Torture with their album Enduring Freedom with mention of other popular death metal bands such as Devourment, Waking the Cadaver, Internal Bleeding, Afterbirth and many more.
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Everyone was praising this until it got popular. Like clockwork.
5 minutes to say there isnt a dead guy on the cover
there is on their other albums
on bandcamp
Cause it got popular, everyone was glazing it until it got popular
i feel like everyone loved it at first then their love for it decreased as time went on for the bdm scene
@@jimmyfromtheblock3714 it decreased when the hardcore scene found it becouse the bdm scene is mostly full of mfs who are only attracted to how underground the genre is so you cant be cought liking something in it thats bigger then the scene. Thats why people say """its a hardcore record disgused as slam""". This scene is fake as fuck
@@coffeman3575 more like the scene is filled with nothing but bullshit bands that call themselves "slam" or "bdm" yet they sound nothing like it.
It is popular because of the themes, not the music
Missed the opportunity to call this album Enduring Boredom
honestly yea, like this shit is a fuckin snoozefest.
This goes out to my CIA handlers, we making it out of Abu Ghraib with this one!
My problem with this band is that I can just listen to Suffocation
which is just as lame and generic!
@@sabbatuslol because there would be no torture without suffo
@@Jackdrumss shit breeds shit
@sabbatus ahaha you don't know anything about bdm no suffocation no bdm bands no dying f*tus, no deeds of flesh, no disgorge usa , no devourment, no early cryptopsy, ect learn about the genre before you talk trash about suffocation cause if it weren't for suffocation you wouldn't have any bdm or slam 😂😂😂🤡🤡
That’s how i feel about literally every Maggot Stomp band that’s ever existed.
I saw torture early this year, they played in a diy room and it was the most brutal show I've ever been too.
I think it's a lovely album. Utterly brutal, crushing album. Insane time signatures.
Wow I found one person here who understands what time signatures are, I’m astounded 😭. Props. Also no one’s talking about how this is by far a drumming centered album…even as a guitarist I figured that one out instantly.
@Digitatorr Facts. This album is all over the place. It's insane.
The best thing about the album. The time signatures add to the brutality.
@EnigmaticOranmentV6 Facts. It's like math slam.
@@Digitatorr drummer does vocals too
Surprised you didn't mention the 16 minute long funeral music sounding final track, that totally threw me for a loop but I think it fits the album's concept as a whole
What’s the music playing in the background? Is that Torture? I like it.
Yes it’s torture
Nourishing Adversity
"if you been living under a rock, then you probably missed this underground thing..."
LOL
As a German its really weird how Americans dislike bands like torture, same with sanguisugabogg or blood incantation. Here in germany those discussions don't really exist. We fucking love all of those. Its like a band from america is getting famous there and hated right after. Half a year later its getting big in Europe and it will be loved forever
Gate keeping which is odd here in America, then they recommend bands with much weirder names and shitty music… that’s just my opinion.
@@pierce7992I mean what is Absolute Elsewhere if not atmospheric?
@@themightymcb7310 wdym
The sudden switch from goregrind/gorenoise to hardcore death is the main thing that got me saying "I beg your pardon?"
Basic, yes, but its done right and i know it doesnt break any boundaries, but it is brutal enough to keep Me engaged. The time signatures and vocals also are great and yes i do find myself getting bored after some time, but i always come back to it.
look guys, i love hardcore. but hardcore kids infamously dickride certain bands because they “blow up” in the scene, and this is another example of that. hardcore kids didn’t give a fuck about thrash metal in 2016, but power trip sure got a pass. (power trip are great, though torture is a fuckin snooze fest)
Good point, tbh they don’t care about thrash in general at least with the modern stuff, it’s like they can’t stand anything that has a fast drum beat tbh I see it at shows all the time
Honestly I’m convinced they don’t even like old thrash that appealed to the hardcore crowd in the 80s like Wehrmacht, cryptic slaughter, the accused, excel, DRI or anything. They just want the next “popping off” band with breakdowns all over the place
@@themarshallarts i understand this sentiment to an extent. look, i also love breakdowns and hard ass mosh parts… it’s just that it’s a natural tendency for hxc kids to dickride select bands bc their peers hype them up, rather than isolating their opinion on said band. it’s frustrating and feels clique-ey as hell.
@@kmartpunk95 oh of course I agree I’m just pointing out what I personally see, and yeah everyone loves a mosh part or the “go crazy” part of a song it’s just they’ll hype up a band no matter how generic they sound imo and I do notice that tendency myself especially with power trip and enforced, even tho Iron Age was doing that same sound almost 10 years before and arguably better than them, and they didn’t get anywhere near the amount of hype or recognition that PT did outside of Dallas/fort worth scene and the TX scene in general
@@themarshallarts brooo Iron Age is really the OG…. they got a bit overshadowed by power trip tbh. all of those bands rule though. in conclusion, some hxc kids are just fuckin whack as hell.
hella hxc kids fucked with thrash in 2016 bud
see i agree that its boring, but that is kinda the appeal to me and ik thats strange. i like how its just a monotonous slam that slowly slightly evolves over time, it makes it sound monolithic in a way. its a great album, and its not for everybody, and i get why its so divisive. im also a big fan of hardcore music and its great seeing a slam band being accepted into that community, and they sound great live and make the venue an active warzone. i just wish alot of the hardcore kids into torture would delve deeper into slam and bdm
sorry for the yappichino great video as always
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Thank you, I highly agree with this comment. Was about to comment something more aggresive and negative but I more prefer your words. This album is awesome, this band is awesome, and I'm so happy for Torture's success.
Agreed. It's not doing anything that unique and the vocals aren't great but I like the commitment to just doing that slow paced bits for a full album and not many slam bands hit that spot for how one track minded it is
I haven’t listened to enduring freedom but the way you describe the album reminds me of Bong Ripper’s Slow Death.
It’s monotonous and consistent. But is a giant monolith of an album when listened to all the way through. Individually the tracks aren’t easy to distinguish but damn does it hit when they’re all together.
@@ashelfishisttortle That's a really solid comparison tbh.
My only gripe is that it overstays its welcome. The album's 65 minutes long, compared to something like Dripping's "Disintegration of Thought Patterns..." which does the job in 21 minutes, or Devourment's "Molesting The Decapitated" clocking it at 36 minutes. Nearly an hour of minimalist compositions as a brutal death metal band could definitely raise some questions.
With that said, still a great album for what it is and what it's getting across. It's just not for everyone.
All I needed to see to base my opinion was their set last this past dummer at Sound and Fury. Simply, a demented live show
After listening to the whole album once i dont find myself coming back to any of the song's except for the outro songs
i feel like its music thats meant to be played live and sounds better live. if you watch some of the bands live sets it brings a whole new energy to the music and is a way different idenity to the album. i hope their next release captures that live energy because thats how i think they will be able to turn their music up a notch and sound better .
One trick pony band for me. Once you've heard one song you've heard it all. Very mediocre in my opinion
Agreed but they had potential with the production but failed in the end
Gen Z hardcore kids and Slam kids are eating it up.
@@thiniceking12It must stop
@@thiniceking12That's about as cringe as Amon Amarth millenials cooming themselves when Unleashed did, and still does viking-death better.
Same song, different titles - that will only get you so far.
Baby's first slam band is the best way to describe Torture. Like pretty much all of the hardcore to death metal/slam pipeline bands, they get a lot of praise for being the absolute bare minimum.
Never knew slam could become bedtime sleep ASMR 😂
i fw torture, slams are slams i dont discriminate, but i get how people find it repetive and boring, esspecialy with how long the album is, but its a breath of fresh air after listening to a bunch of boring shit that sounds exactly like cephalotripsy but with worse songwriting. esspecialy with how it builds its grooves over time
Yeah like the concept of Torture is tight but after listening to it for a little too long I got bored like the production I fw heavy but legit needs more blast beats
Torture is the definition of "boring shit that sounds exactly like cephalotripsy but with worse songwriting" though
@@cobgod1415 not really, some of the riffs are defiantly closer to cephalotripsy but cephalotripsy doesnt have songs as long as them, the technicality, long Periods of time without vocals or the fact that cephalotripsy changes tempo way more often then torture. What I was talking about is shit like embryectomy, pestilectomy, traumatomy etc, bands that sounds exactly like cephalotripsy with no change. Torture is way more unique even if you can near the influance of early 2000s slam, the quality tho is up for discussion
Every time I've tried to listen to this record Id make it through half a song and then want to revisit Megalodon by Gutteral Slug
Oh nah 💀
Torture is hard as fuck live, but I won't really bump them on my headphones
Lord Gore. Fornicator. Dripping Decay. Frightmare. Ghoul. My island picks
yo i remember frightmare, good stuff
That old Razorback records catalog was some of my first death metal back in 02. Takes me back
they are fucking amazing live i'm so confused why people would hate tbh
i think torture was actually a great band when they used to do gorenoise/goregrind but even from before these guys were just trend hopping looking for the easy stuff. They didnt got much fame from gory edgy stuff so they decided to switch to slam to get fame, since hardcore kids r bombing this genre.
isn't it a solo project
@@143jcm its not
@@Sgem-j Whys K.K the only person credited on bandcamp then? are you talking about pre enduring freedom?
@@143jcm ye it wasnt a solo band i think ion know
The monotonous nature of this album suits its themes very highly. I think its deliberately a trudge of an album, and that the artist knows it too, thats why it has the 'positive' riff towards the end of the record to break that feeling.
There are 3 songs on this record I listen to alot Overture, Agonized Depression, and Blood on the Sand, which are all at the beginning of the album, and kinda proves what the reviewer is getting at in this video. but its certainly a masterclass in stripped and depressive slams, and the cricket vocals are pretty much perfect.
There is much cooler and energetic slam out there, but this album defo has its place and has the appropriate amount of attention on it for its presentation and execution.
Spot on
in my opinion who gives a fuck if hardcore kids like it, if it’s good then it’s good. you shouldn’t let other people liking it taint your opinion on something. don’t get me wrong hardcore kids are annoying but idgaf if they like it or not
As a person under the Florida Death Metal rock I never expected the album to sound like that seeing the cover.
I get why some people find Torture boring but seeing them live as a first time listener was a whole different experience. The energy at S&F was NUTS and It can make even the more subdued parts feel more intense
talking about internal bleeding, not a huge fan by any means,, but yeah I just recently discovered they have an album called Onward to Mecca, and then I was like oh fuck they're definitely far right. Never listening again tbh.
Torture are extremely repetitive for sure, but hey still pretty cool.
Nice video man
internal bleeding? far right? what are you blabbering about bro
Repeat grade school
my bengaladeshi boss looks like squidward
don't know if anyone has commented this, but this isnt tortures breakout album, the drummer and vocalist started it as a avant garde freestyle "gorenoise" project which i prefer over their slam album. he released 3 albums before enduring freedom
breakout album meaning this is the one that shot them out into the scene, not their “debut” album.
@@jimmyfromtheblock3714 haha I'm an idiot, still. prefer their noise stuff over the slam, much more emotion
the fact that bands like Cephalotripsy and Devourment aren't blowing up alongside Torture I think says a lot about the people hyping them up.
The king is back 🍻🙏🙏
@@hectorquezada2438 i come outta tha shadows when the people need me
I think you hit the nail right on the head. Slam is kinda cool but man it gets old fast and is borderline impossible to tell apart.
I saw these guys live and the drummer started crying between songs and gave several speeches abt palestine. stage presence NOT bussin.
Yea god forbid an artist you pay to see in a live setting expresses themselves emotionally on stage. Plus he's autistic he literally talks about it in an interview. Dudes passionate about his beliefs for a reason.
Lets be real toture is a just a slam band playing at hardcore shows for tiktok kids.
I like it, and I like how slow it is. I have a ridiculously wide range in terms of music taste, though, especially in metal, so not exactly surprising. One thing I’ll comment on, the vocal style takes away from the slowness, so it never really feels as putrid as much as per se even a regular ass dm band like obituary or morbid angel. 😅
I knew I couldn’t trust a band that slams in drop C
Repudilation is in drop c.
@ and I don’t trust them
Can you make this about Final resting Place - Prelude to extinction?
I personally love Enduring Freedom. To me, it gives off the same vibe as you would hear in a funeral doom album, unchanging, monolithic, even tedious in a good way at some points, but worth it at the end. The music is really creative and the drumming is exceptional. I do think there should be some fast parts, but in my opinion, it’s not extremely detrimental without it. The last couple songs are filler though and the 16 minute funeral dirge at the end was highly unnecessary.
P.S. - Torture was better when they made free death, I hope they go back to that style but I don’t see it happening.
Torture is like eating chicken plain idk it has nothing new to offer and its mostly filler material. I mean hey if you love this there is definitely a slew of similar stuff over on Slam Worldwide. Personally, I need my slam a lil faster or at least have fast parts. I fuggs with Abominable Putridity, Kraanium, Mastication of Brutality Uncontrolled, Mental Cruelity (early), Paleface (early), Peelingflesh.
I think both the album's haters as well as some of its fans are foolish for trying to enjoy it as a straightforward slam album. the interesting parts of the album are the pacing and structure, and how it tries to provoke thought with only those aspects. the riffs keep a constant momentum, but they are not very heavy and the production lacks abrasiveness. it's hypnotic and droning.
you can call it aesthetically "safe" and that's not necessarily untrue in some ways, but making an album like that in a genre like slam is making an album that is inevitably going to be hated. it's totally bizarre that it's popular among hardcore kids idk why that would happen. other than the theme I don't see what about it would have a similar appeal to hardcore
I’d honestly rather listen to Torture than sanguisucksballs any day of the week tbh. It’s true to form Caveman slam and even if it’s not as technically proficient as something like Suffo, that’s kind of the point of Slam; it’s literally a genre created from Suffocation breakdowns where the main appeal is, quite literally, Suffocation breakdowns.
I find it to be even more ironic that everyone seems to dickride Maggot Stomp bands acting like they’re the heaviest thing to ever come out of the 2020’s yet quite literally all the do is rip off bands from the 90’s and claim it to be “cutting edge” and “innovative” when there are many bands like Frontierer creating music that’s genuinely hard to listen too because of how focused they are on obliterating your ear drums and putting your tolerance towards overbearing music to the test even if it is just “generic Djent bullshit.” Even if a band like Frontierer is just another generic Djent band, how many other Djent bands are picking up the mantle that bands like Tony Danza or The Dillinger Escape Plan established while adding much more depth to the overall sonic assault on your ears? None.
Even within a genre of music deemed to be “commercial” or “mainstream” if you look hard enough you’ll find innovation and forward thinking by looking deep enough into whatever genre you’re into, even Death Metal. Don’t rely on what everyone else is into, actually dig deep into your favorite genre of music and find something worth it’s weight in gold.
interesting take
I love torture and can also recognise why some bdm fans hate them due to how boring the album can be but personally I think that the whole "too hardcore" thing happened to a lesser extent with internal bleeding and now everyone sees them as insanely influential to which they are.
i loved this when i first heard it ngl
I listened to like one track of this when it first came out because ngl the idea of ripping into US imperialism and war crimes with the back drop of slam was pretty badass but the music was just fucking basic as shit and would only appeal to people who didn't know shit about slam. Really disappointing for me because I'd love to see slam tackle topics like this considering how the tired "I kill people and eat them and fuck their dead bodies" is still the most prevalent theme in the genre.
Basic as shit? Have you heard the rhythms at all? That shit is lowkey complex as fuck, it's just kinda hidden behind the chug chug slam riffs.
@@TommyWitDaTone yeah a lot of the timings are weird as fuck. The drumming is dope too. Rad feel. I don't understand the hate, this album is killer
@@SamThredder I agree. I see some folk saying "why listen to this when I could just listen to Devourment, Cephalotripsy" etc etc but literally none of those bands have any of the weird time signatures and polyrhythms. I love the aforemention bands as well but Torture took slam and made it as complicated as it could be while still being dumb knuckle dragging caveman shit. If someone knows any bands that does do slam in the fucked up style that they do, please let me know.
@@TommyWitDaTonethat's the main selling point for me lol. It's quite funny how he manages to fit an absurd timing while sticking to a good groove consistently
As a conceptual album i think it hit, same with the technical aspects. A lot of it is subtle, like how the double bass sounds like war helicopters/machine guns, and that makes it not so blatantly an entertaining album to listen to, but they definitely deserve some credit if you can recognize what they were doing
but check out their previous works, for the issue with the album cover.
i addressed that here
This album is cool and theory and only cool to execute once and once only, I don’t see how it could possibly go further than this. Also, I loved finale iii, maybe that’s just because I’m a sucker for ambient tho.
I think going into this looking for a BDM/slam album is kinda setting yourself up for failure. Although I always like challenging listens, the repetition isn’t boring if you can get into the atmosphere. You wouldn’t expect slam to be the type of genre that would support sludgy repetition, but this album completely renovates the brutal genre into a cohesive atmospheric sound that hasn’t really ever been attempted before. And yeah… say what you want, it’s repetitive, one trick pony, too easily accessible, well thats pretty much true for all good slam records anyway. Let’s be honest, slam is already a very one trick pony kind of genre and certainly very repetitive, even a lot of bands can sound exactly the same. At the end of the day, this album is falling victim to the criticisms a lot of “trve” metalheads come up with, so just have an open mind and go out of your comfort zone and enjoy the damn thing!
I have a friend more into hardcore who recommended this to me. Thirty minutes of asking when the fast riffs start. All chug no riffs. I feel in order for a slam part to have any sort of impact it has to be in the mix with riffs of varying tempos, so when it slams you feel it.
This album is sick
I finally listened to Enduring Freedom like a month ago and it's just boring really. Not even five minutes in you've heard it all.
Like someone else stated, its a very drum centric album. The riffs were literally the last thing I analyzed upon first listen, the drums have great little fills and accents that compliment the music and the vocals and riffs exist below the drums only serving to drive the songs but never taking the spotlight away from the drums. Also KK being able to do vocals live while drumming is no easy task, even without lyrics. Theyre awesome live and the music slams, all that crap about what different scenes think about it is mind numbingly annoying. If your heavy music project is "controversial" among different scenes youre probably doing something right. Fuck the purists.
i love torture but i will agree it gets repetitive, but damn do the riffs stick in my head. he's def in my top artists rn but we'll see once more material is released if things change.
I’m a metalhead and I like Torture, but I think they’re a bit overhyped compared to the likes of Devourment, Guttural Slug, etc. even if they’re good. + I live in a town where there are basically no other real metalheads the hardest thing my classmates listen to is Slipknot so I’m very open minded to heavier music.
been listening simce december of last year. big fan, even his gorenoise is cool
I thought it was worth (1) listen but I never went back. It was neat seeing a gorenoise outfit "go slam" but I was surprised to see something that I thought sounded really basic blow up.
Finally someone put in one simple sentence what I've exactly been feeling for the past two years at least towards 60-75% of releases coming out with tag "death metal" or "sbdm": The "Hardcore band disguised as Death Metal". It's precisely the annoying mimicking aspect that just can't be not annoying af. If you take away visual aesthetics and vocal style, and maybe lyrics, the remainder is mostly just beat down or whatever kind of hardcore, with just a pinch of death metal or brutal death metal elements to make the sound more "filthier" for a band that just does not have the guts to call themselves exactly what they are: either death metal/hardcore, or death metal/beatdown. Extremely tiresome trend, it's become as repulsive as AI art, and both of them you can recognize in under 30 secs of interaction. This needs to be categorized into a new subgenre to separate the wheat from the chaff, like "nu-death" or "neo-death", or whatever, because it just keeps killing whatever is left of the excitement for anything new in death metal at large. I guess it's an equivalent distinction one can draw between deathcore and brutal death metal.
Very good choice for me to have in the background while cooking dinner or reading a book. Like Chopin nocturnes
Hey guys, say what you want to say about the monotony and what have you. They had one of the best sets at Sound and Fury. Nonstop moshing. Only band ive ever seen get the crowd to split off and end up with an island of people stuck in the middle of the mosh.
It sucks becuase Torture is hard as fuck. Everyone loved it until it got popular
Toxic scenes will do their thing as usual. Im willing to bet haters of this band don't go out of their way to support their friends projects IRL nearly as much as they spew hate on complete strangers projects over the internet. Fake cowards who shouldn't claim to be part of any scene.
i guess the boring sound definitely isnt so bad but the songs arent very different
Also i disagree with the lyrical content but that does not matter as much as sound. (its kind of a personal thing, but my father was in the Global War on Terrorism and them attacking it is frustrating.)
I definitely like how you demonstrated it here!
In my honest opinion i think bro wrote a slam album from the hardcore perspective, like took the underground aesthetic elements of hardcore and spliced it with slam but the material just falls short of being great. Definitely an entry level sound but its built for a live setting just like hardcore is. But its still just mid
Without the frantic fast parts (tension) to juxtapose the slammage (release), torture has taken the middleman out of slam effectively minmaxing the brutal death metal equation. Despite the frequent time signature changes, the overall feel of the music is smooth, rounded, never angular like mathcore or most music with lots of time signature changes. Enduring Freedom has the same effect on me as ambient music and I mean that as a compliment. Still would much rather listen to defeated sanity
Just listen to Tortures first three LPs.. calling them a “safe” band is wild.
first 3 lps weren’t safe slam
Torture should just make more gorenoise imo, the slam album is nice to revisit every once in a while but it can get stale after a long period of time. If I do get the chance to see em live I definitely would tbh
I never listen to this type of music and I love this album.
I Need suggestions lol
@@SDChargers93 i see you like some posthardcore i like. maybe try internal bleeding - voracious contempt or driven to conquer, cephalotripsy, or dripping. saosin is sick btw
@ nice I’ll check this out. Thank you
Its just so boring. This might not make sense but the heaviness just feels artificial.
Torture is the only slam band that has pretty awful cricket vocals, yet it is somehow more listenable than the vocals on a fatuous rump song
When I heard it I could tell that they are trying to do like more interesting rhythmic slams but it really just still comes off like if canderia wanted to do a slam album. It's all just rhythmic interplay. Like it's not awful it's not great it's just there I guess you can say
It's for the hardcore kids not the metalheads
I'm not really a slam guy, I like the dynamic in BDM combining it all much more. However, with the small amount of slam I've listened to, this album provided nothing aside from a cool mw2 loading screen. When the vocals are the best thing in a metal album, you are closer to pop music than metal. It really is easy listening, like I don't even remember hearing a palm muted power chord slide through the entire thing. Idek if there was a pinch harmonic I cant remember.
istg its like they only had three notes for the entire hour long album
I really enjoy the record because it has great slams 😄👍
Been obsessed with it for the past 6 months I think, idk there’s something about it. The fact that there’s no lyrics almost makes it easy listening, reminiscent of jazz.
I recall trying this album for a few minutes, then clicking something else. It probably lost my attention to a good band like Sect of Execration lol.
the one reason i think this album is cool is because of how braindead it is. thats it. nothing groundbreaking.nothing different.just pure braindead
The album is fine. Propably generic but has a continouus vibe and a minimal atmosphere...
Everyone is an art critic again *sigh*
The original metal band "Torture" is from Knoxville, Tn.
Do not compare torture to disgorge 😂
musically and artistically no
Yeaaaaah...... the songs kinda blend into each other. I am using one of their songs for my Black Powder Red Earth comic reviews, but the songs do blend into each other.
I heard this album before I remember liking it
I always thought this band was interesting, but nothing about the music ever stuck out to me. As someone who loves both hardcore and metal though I do think their success makes more sense when you frame them as a slam flavored hardcore band. That said, it's not bad and I don't mind throwing it on.
Hey Jimmy, what's your opinion on OSDM revival? Are they a nice break from all the techslop bands, or are they just stuck-up hipsters?
was big in like 2019, dead genre now
2:32 do people hate Blunt Force Trauma? Idk I really like it and it kinda opened the gateway to Brutal Death Metal to me with all the distortion...idk I really like Vengeance for Nothing and people were saying they were Dying Fetus worship (or sth along the lines of that), so I eventually listened to them and liked it, so I kinda decided to check out Suffocation again and that sounded better than before...
(though this is very recent and I haven't gone to deep into brutal death metal yet; neither have I gone further than Blunt Force Trauma or Cerebral Bore in terms of Slam)
@@synthwavesun2450 people love BFT in the scene, a jap classick
Torture are so fucking boring it's unreal to me how they got so huge so quick.
torture sounds really cool in a live setting imo, but yeah album wise its.. yeah its fine. My girlfriend and I both really enjoy going to shows, and one of her friends at one said this band is better than Internal Bleeding and I really don't know what to say to that.
No one is better than Internal Bleeding
I remember really not liking this album. I like complex riffs or some sort of “depth” when it comes to my Death Metal. Even if I’m not a fan of slam with a few exceptions. I feel like Torture’s brand of it is very poorly done.
bro called a politcally subversive free-jazz project made by one person "safe." I think KK was very intentional with the album and it's particularly influential because he also incorporated sentiment of disdain towards the ongoing genocide the middle east. I think torture deserves their tiny 25k spotify listeners since they made something unique and fresh while using their platform to vocalize actual anti-systematic punk values. people are tired of meaningless ignorant toughguy hardcore bands so it's cool to see someone create something more intentional.
@@CameronTalei ive read there is no actual lyrics tho 🧐
@@jimmyfromtheblock3714correct. OP's comment is still true tho
I like it for all those reasons. Sometimes I'm in the mood for that kind of shit. But just a word about Internal Bleeding and graphic album covers; the original Driven to Conquer cover was just a bunch of SS soldiers marching and even as a kid I knew this wasn't going to fly for very long lol
I don't hate it.
really liked the album when i listened to it for the first time but on repeat listens i just got bored out of my mind
The low effort "meme-worthy" album cover is a huge reason Enduring Freedom blew up. Bands like Sanguisugabogg, Bonginator, and Frog Mallet have found success in slapping silly album art, song titles, and band names on absolutely mediocre metal music. It appeals to lowest common denominator normies who just want to wear a crazy t-shirt for attention.
@@blastbeetb.3045 id def say this was more true at the start of suggaboggs rise, but they literally tour like 250 nights a year. which i respect in that case, plus they had really good timing because they kind of overtook mortician as the popular caveman band of the scene.
I personally like it while acknowledging that it's not exactly impressive and can be a bit monotonous. I think Exhibit B was their better album and I really do think that's when they peaked. I'm excited to see what they do next and see if it will be a shift from Enduring. You just have to take the album for what it is, and for me, if I'm looking for something more, I have other bands for that. I do find it funny though that you somewhat praised The Bog when they're probably one of the corniest bands out right now.
i didnt praise sanguisuggabog, i only acknowledged that have been leading the scene since 2020 and theres no denying it, they are everywhere and have been since after the mortician uproar, that’s why I put the time periods that they were most prevalent in
@jimmyfromtheblock3714 sorry, I guess I mistook the intent in your mentioning of them. I'm just so tired of hearing everyone praise that band lmao. But it's true, Enduring can be a bit of a slog but sometimes all I want is some pounding slam to throw on in the car and that's it. Will say though, I saw them at the Columbus show in the laundromat, and the energy in that place was insane.
When it hits it hits!!!!