Something to note is that enchants like deferred, astral, or heroism are similar to the silentheart damage buff in that they are not effected by the cap, and are a completely seperate calculation from talent/mantra damage multipliers. the way it goes is that your weapon's damage is first calulated with things like scaling based on your stats and then those stats are buffed by damage multipliers, however damage buffs from outfits, silentheart, and enchants are included in the first calculation, unaffected by the cap.
Huh, this entire comment is interesting. On one hand, you do actually seem to be right about Deferred specifically being calculated before other damage boosts. But on the other hand, you're wrong in that both silentheart and outfit boosts don't calculate before your other boosts. I'll mess with Astral and Heroism later, but the deferred interaction definitely isn't universal either since I can 100% confirm that Bloodthirsty also applies like every other damage boost. Ty for the deferred info, but I'm not sure where you got the rest of it lol.
@@MakaraPip hey just so you know i've heard from some people in the deepwoken server that heroism dmg boost doesnt have pve scaling, no idea if this is true but just keep that in mind i guess
@@MakaraPip silentheart and outfits that increase damage such as legion centurion or cloak of winds absolutely don't count towards the cap. Been tested
I RENDERED IT IN THE WRONG RESOLUTION NOW IT HAS BLACK BARS ON THE SIDES OF THE VIDEO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Edit: Also teehee they fixed Deferred proccing chain of perfection so uhhh ignore that section :D anyways how you guys doing :3
cant wait to see the stormseye build, i used your railblade arcwarder one and its the best build i have used yet, love your content keep it up!!! (i can finally win matches in chime without getting obliterated)
Ik this is technically not related but its about enchants so idc. When using Deffered on a person w/ Entanglement on it infinitely stuns then and makes a really weird noise. (cool roght)
Can someone elaborate on how the chilling changes made it worse? I’m not really understanding what the issue is. To my knowledge, chilling procs every m1 and with nullifying clarity, it’s a permanent 15% damage buff
Basically chilling did bonus damage on hit. Before the changes, that damage basically got PvE scaled twice since it was based off of your PvE scaled m1 and then received PvE scaling itself. Now, it no longer receives that second hit of PvE scaling, which makes the damage MUCH lower.
Nullifying clarity procs if the enemy has a status effect when you land a hit, and the extra "chill" hit from every m1 only lasts for 0.4 seconds, disappearing before you can even think about m1ing again, so it's only gonna proc on the bottom freeze proc every few hits.
Fellow non cheeser for chain 🤝 Oh also on a side note, Edenkite is surprisingly good in PvE, deferred it's still better but edenkite is a viable option.
Bro totally forgetting providence thorns, dude, providence thorns and chain of perfection stack up, so that 2% damage increases every prov thorns, proc i tried it and killed threshers on a 0 light wep build with 4 parries or so
Depends on the encounter tbh. If we're talking smaller game PvE, you're going to kill them with M1s long before you deal much signifigant thorns damage. And Chaser/ Ethiron basically aren't affected by it due to their constant i frames. Prov thorns is mainly good for Prima, and maybe if you were doing a super defensively oriented hellmode build.
Always afk recently did a test with ethiron. Turns out grim out of all enchants dealt the most damage. killing ethiron in 35 hits out of the 38 hit average.
Tears of edenkite go hard, wasn't a build of mine but a guildmates, he had dual guns and whenever we sparred if he got a flourish he did a bar and a half (i had 500 hp and high physical) per floruish, with PVE I wouldn't recommend it however in PVP it goes hard
chilling did NOT get a pve nerf it anything its stayed the same for pve because it used to inflict 3 stacks from a bug it now inflcits 1 but nullifying clarity removes all stacks for the same dmg boost nomatter how many
If i may ask would Bloodthirsty work for pve? Since overall it adds 1.1x more dmg to m1's but just with a slight disadvantage, for the people reading this. Should i use Detonation, Deferred, Bloodthirsty?
i was wondering if guns could be extremely good for pve, true ether bullets and nullyfying clarity and astral? on dual revolvers or even dragoons i feel like it could overpower astral on like everspear hand axe thoughts?
Something to note is that enchants like deferred, astral, or heroism are similar to the silentheart damage buff in that they are not effected by the cap, and are a completely seperate calculation from talent/mantra damage multipliers. the way it goes is that your weapon's damage is first calulated with things like scaling based on your stats and then those stats are buffed by damage multipliers, however damage buffs from outfits, silentheart, and enchants are included in the first calculation, unaffected by the cap.
Huh, this entire comment is interesting. On one hand, you do actually seem to be right about Deferred specifically being calculated before other damage boosts. But on the other hand, you're wrong in that both silentheart and outfit boosts don't calculate before your other boosts. I'll mess with Astral and Heroism later, but the deferred interaction definitely isn't universal either since I can 100% confirm that Bloodthirsty also applies like every other damage boost. Ty for the deferred info, but I'm not sure where you got the rest of it lol.
@@MakaraPip hey just so you know i've heard from some people in the deepwoken server that heroism dmg boost doesnt have pve scaling, no idea if this is true but just keep that in mind i guess
@@MakaraPip silentheart and outfits that increase damage such as legion centurion or cloak of winds absolutely don't count towards the cap. Been tested
@@Togyyyy Even if they don't, they don't function the same way deferred does
@MakaraPip deferred is without a doubt the best right now, however it's on the same chopping block chilling was
2:33 funniest joke in the vid imo
One thing that might be strong in PVE is detonation enforcer axe. It can proc detonation a lot in PVE.
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@@tegsoup5884 why enforcer hammer?
@@ostenta6378more weight prob
@@iwatchstuffs7933 Does enforcer hammer have same crit as axe ? i dont remember
I genuinely really like your content even if I’ve just come across it. Some of the most enjoyable deep content I’ve seen as of late.
3:54 yes, besides Chaser, since the delayed DOT doesn't really help when Chaser goes invincible after the DPS phase
That might be false tbh, i sometime kill him while hes attacking since the delay in dmg
im pretty sure deferred ignores boss s, or it accounts for it in some way since i've never had any issue doing chaser with deferred
it definitely has issues since it took 7 phases to do chaser with deferred however only took 2 with chilling (before this update and with chain)
@@hi-lay6 same build? I mean chilling did better than deferred pre nerf but the difference shouldnt be THAT crazy lol
I RENDERED IT IN THE WRONG RESOLUTION NOW IT HAS BLACK BARS ON THE SIDES OF THE VIDEO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Edit: Also teehee they fixed Deferred proccing chain of perfection so uhhh ignore that section :D
anyways how you guys doing :3
the horror…
I am doing fine❤
im not gonna lie i kinda like the black bars on the side
@@AskJ4x im redeemed
cant wait to see the stormseye build, i used your railblade arcwarder one and its the best build i have used yet, love your content keep it up!!! (i can finally win matches in chime without getting obliterated)
Ik this is technically not related but its about enchants so idc. When using Deffered on a person w/ Entanglement on it infinitely stuns then and makes a really weird noise. (cool roght)
deserved tbh entanglement has 0 drip
Aga confirmed that the deferred thing is a **bug** so it's getting fixed soon enough fortunately or unfortunately so i'd stick with astral/deto yall
Blazing now that fire stays on monsters :troll:
smoking that bounder pack (literally)
Calabazza for a curved blade W or L.
sir this is a wendy's
@@MakaraPip i hate you 🤔🧐😡😡😡
maybe have an evanspear with deferred for bosses, and switch to an evanspear with astral for hellmodes/normal mobs
definitely a good play if you can get your hands on one
Can someone elaborate on how the chilling changes made it worse? I’m not really understanding what the issue is.
To my knowledge, chilling procs every m1 and with nullifying clarity, it’s a permanent 15% damage buff
Pretty sure nullifying only procs when the frozen legs thing procs every 3/5/7 hits
@@dankultimate3929 nullifying procs when you hit someone while they have a status effect not when botton freeze proca
nullifying procs after the chilling procs, so first m1 applies chilling, then second m1 procs nullifying clarity
Basically chilling did bonus damage on hit. Before the changes, that damage basically got PvE scaled twice since it was based off of your PvE scaled m1 and then received PvE scaling itself. Now, it no longer receives that second hit of PvE scaling, which makes the damage MUCH lower.
Nullifying clarity procs if the enemy has a status effect when you land a hit, and the extra "chill" hit from every m1 only lasts for 0.4 seconds, disappearing before you can even think about m1ing again, so it's only gonna proc on the bottom freeze proc every few hits.
Pro tip: never use deferred against duke (you gonna be inf stunned in first phase)
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what?
BLOCK, PARRY, AND DOOOOOOODGE
This is true, defrered is DOT and first phase duke parries all hits kinda common sense a a bit of a brain to see how that interaction would go
@@momega7189 I'm pretty sure it's just bugged rn
Since chilling’s duration got doubled, is nullifying worth now?
Fellow non cheeser for chain 🤝
Oh also on a side note, Edenkite is surprisingly good in PvE, deferred it's still better but edenkite is a viable option.
Bro totally forgetting providence thorns, dude, providence thorns and chain of perfection stack up, so that 2% damage increases every prov thorns, proc i tried it and killed threshers on a 0 light wep build with 4 parries or so
Depends on the encounter tbh. If we're talking smaller game PvE, you're going to kill them with M1s long before you deal much signifigant thorns damage. And Chaser/ Ethiron basically aren't affected by it due to their constant i frames. Prov thorns is mainly good for Prima, and maybe if you were doing a super defensively oriented hellmode build.
@@MakaraPip still good nonetheless to kill mobs with just parrying their attacks and dying in 4 or 5 parries
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Always afk recently did a test with ethiron. Turns out grim out of all enchants dealt the most damage. killing ethiron in 35 hits out of the 38 hit average.
kinda makes sense for ethiron specifically now that I think about it, tho in regular PvE it's pretty mid methinks
Please someone suggest astral to give dazing effect cuz yknow astral = space = star = dazing effect
please bust if deferred bypasses dmg cap
Chilling is still #1 pve enchant and astral enchant right after
Deferred in question
@@e0074 its literally bad against any monsters that have dps phase.
@@_vastlor_ and technically makes bosses and mobs "longer" to kill because of the dot, instead of the flat boosted damage other enchants give
@@_vastlor_it does dmg over time and every tick of dmg adds to chain of perfection
yeah but for example chaser takes way less dmg once he gets up again so that dmg boost is nothing@@gooberbunchofrandomnumbers
How did you remove your crosshair wtf
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Time to back to heroism!!
That's why they added astral
How about Tears of edenkite?
haven't checked the numbers but i'd imagine it depends on how fast you can flourish, maybe it's cracked and i've been had lol
Tears of edenkite go hard, wasn't a build of mine but a guildmates, he had dual guns and whenever we sparred if he got a flourish he did a bar and a half (i had 500 hp and high physical) per floruish, with PVE I wouldn't recommend it however in PVP it goes hard
wow thats so sad that the king has now be dethroned by an enchant from the stars above
we cry..
@@MakaraPip 😢
peak content you're funny asl
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chilling did NOT get a pve nerf it anything its stayed the same for pve because it used to inflict 3 stacks from a bug it now inflcits 1 but nullifying clarity removes all stacks for the same dmg boost nomatter how many
bro really saw that patchnotes and told us he couldn't read
Damn bro and that hair combo? i need it
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providence thorn is best pve enchant
i dont think chilling got nerfed that hard, bonekeeper only took like half an m1 more and i still 2 cycle chaser
half an m1?
@@megagames4989 it died when my m1 was 50% done
bro did not watch the whole video
yoooooo its the drippy mod from infekteds conquest
im not a mod D:
@@MakaraPip uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you moderated the conquest close enough
didnt you have a custom name and drakkard?
@@Kat-fs1oj nah no custom name but testers can also get drakkard
What’s bros race
If i may ask would Bloodthirsty work for pve? Since overall it adds 1.1x more dmg to m1's but just with a slight disadvantage, for the people reading this. Should i use Detonation, Deferred, Bloodthirsty?
as long as that chain of perfection interaction exists you should always use deferred over bloodthirsty.
very cool
isnt the best pve enchant astral now since its obtainable
yea since chillling got nerf and that one talent is usless now
Segestion want more clicks don't put what got nerfed in the thumb nail
fair, but i like knowing what a video's about before i watch it
How tf are you so drippy 😭
my stylist is the original fadetrimmer
astral
i was wondering if guns could be extremely good for pve, true ether bullets and nullyfying clarity and astral? on dual revolvers or even dragoons i feel like it could overpower astral on like everspear hand axe thoughts?
Tears of edenkite n guns go crazy, guaranteed flourish after 2 m1s
fixed
I like you
it's okay. the black bars add sort of a retro vibe, very nostalgic. 0/10 though, never upload again
one day ill wake up and be cured of the parasite that is Deepwoken
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How do you get drakkard bro💀
you can get it as a tester