One of the best ways to overcome temptation is to approach it openly. Don't try to be nice, ignore and think you can handle it. If not by the time you realized it has consum you.
It's a very delicate issue but I want to suggest that your studio members should be married before they can talk more about marital issues. I see most of them are singles, that is why they are answering the questions like that. All in all, she needs to work on her self discipline n self control.
No the bro in law needs to vacate the home asap, the husband need to be made aware too. She’s trying to avoid anything happening but this is family and sometimes we don’t like to listen, the husband could have avoided this sooner
Why is everyone blaming the lady and leaving the evil brother-in-law and the husband out of the picture cos i think the 2 of them are cause of her woes.Perioad!!!
The discussion is not fair to the lady. It almost appears like a guy can show up in his brother's house, make sexual advances towards his brother's wife and get no blame for it. I expected better from TV3.
Shalom, I am Pst Divine from Nigeria. Good good job you are doing here. Please I want know if you have concluded the the case of a guy who was sleeping with a Pastor's wife with out knowing?
Good input Naa Adoley.....Even with at the point she told her husband to send the brother away, she could have gone straight to the point to make the husband aware of what the brother was doing. Because I am sure, the husband could not have just sent the brother away without knowing or having a reason to. I would have given the same excuse of not having his brother to rent an apartment. So I think she did make the attempt of trying to tell the husband but didn't really make justice to it. Aside that, through him making all these advances,she could have stood her grounds and given him a warning. Because he started doing it on purpose and he noticed he was getting her attention.
But why! why! why ! The elderly brother is wicked why will he do this , this is why l don’t like family members staying with husbands and wife’s no no no
The lady in pink is saying she should tell her husband what happened? Wh...what?! That's a disaster about to happen! She obviously has high sexual energy compared to her husband. And that's a fundamental problem here. The husband's elder brother living with them just doesn't sit right here. He's a shameless man with an evil agenda, and he has to leave at once! The onus lies on the lady to find a way to communicate with her husband and insist that the brother leaves. By the way, what are the ages of the people involved?
She is definitely not a loose woman!!!!It can happen to most woman----it is just unfortunate it is the brother -in law--taking advantage of him The woman did not want to report the first instance to the husband--to cause friction between brothers and the brother in law took advantage Very difficult situation-----no easy solution --once it has started --stopping it would take a determined effort on her part The brother would definitely resort to blackmailing ------but she dug her own grave in the first place and must lie in her grave by taking a stand--say no and insist!!!!!!!
Too much wisdom. Prince are the lose women and strong women who could resist any temptation? I really want to know? It seems ladies are more prone to these falls. On the other hand I blame the husband for being so relaxed to even allow your brother to live under same roof(2bedroom)
@@oforiwaaashley3235 There’s nothing wrong with a brother allowing his brother to leave with him and his family. The problem is actually she and the brother Inlaw whom are adults refusing to behave themselves. The husband brother lacks self control and she also lacks same… Both of them are indisciplined fellows. So blame her and the brother Inlaw & not the husband please.💯💯💯💯
Just like a fire can start with the right component in place. This issue is a similar situation, obviously the lady became vulnerable perhaps because her own husband had little time and attention towards her couple with the fact that there was another man available in the same house 24/7. The husband was not responsible enough to create the enabling environment. The reality is that as long as the brother remained, disaster was inevitable. Let's not blame the woman too much, she became both a victim and a perpetrator of wrong doing. Going forward, she should be insistent of getting the brother in law out of the house.
@@vidaeiiiafiahmmmboidebrah4148 vida you have concluded the whole thing God bless You...these are not marriage materials they lack discipline ...so the fact that his husband bro seduces her she should allow?
The lady has already prepared herself for this very day to come. The man gave green light and the lady responded by dressing in the way that will be attractive to the man. Her dressing to the kitchen will surprise you. They have already have the sex until it actually happened. The possibility of the woman visiting the man even if he moves out of the house. it is a pity . You can take a strong decision not to continue my sister.
This means we women can be seduced by men as well. Let’s stop the hypocrisy and help this lady. @ woman .. are you sure your husband will not recognise your voice and join the dots together? They should have presented it in a written form instead of her being present Good luck anyways
Listen.yes the man was bad but she struggled with lust herself. She should have stop it. Anybody can fall but she should have flee. There is always a way out.
The lady love's what she is seeing. Am a painter and one day I was painting for a lady and I was sweating and I hold my shirt up to clean up my face and immediately the lady saw my chest she shouted hey ! Is this how handsome you are
Are they acting or the one confessing is truly the one living what she is sharing because the voice alone and the body people who know her will recognise her
I want to suggest: I just watched your video , before anyone open up to you, the person needs help. As much as I do not subscribe to indecent life style however, it's not proper to be JUDGMENTAL rather HELP the victim.
This is a husband,s brother,the husband could have communicated actively to the brother without knowing,like when a brother says go home before your wife will get angry that you are late,Then he will reply by saying as for my wife l know exactly how to handle her,l have to just show her a little muscle and so on which she can’t resist.So in his mind he is just joking but is going on in the mind of the other person is different. I really think she is not the problem and she is not sexually actively like the ladies are saying,The guy is using her weakness against her which is bad.
The wife want to justify her wrong doing. We have free choices she plans to sleep with her husband brother to do that. Wether who started, she have a choice to avoid that negative and we always have a choices.
The damaged is already caused. She should report it to the husband because this is a taboo!!! and it's going to cause a lot of bad luck to the husband. This marriage should be nullify.
In stories like this one, there's no point in the public being vindictive of the lady and accusing her alone, as her brother-in-law is the CHIEF CULPRIT here, so let's cut her some slack! Having said that, her husband must shoulder part of the blame if he had listened to his wife when she started feeling uneasy with his elder brother's presence in their matrimonial home. If he was a very caring, thoughtful and meticulous husband, he would've probed further and seen reasons with his wife. All these happenings would've probably been nipped in the bud! And once again, in this day and age, who does that i.e. welcome your elder brother to come and live with you when you're newly wedded? Spare me the rhetoric that he was about traveling outside the country; 3 months and over, and he's still living with his younger brother and not just passing advances at his wife, but tripping her up too, by walking around almost NAKED in the house whenever his brother isn't around. Gosh! This is calculated! Just like the Biblical story of the woman caught up in adultery, why does society always BLAME WOMEN when there are 2 parties involved? PS -- I am a MAN, and I sometimes feel, WOMEN are unjustly treated in matters like this one. It's even heart wrenching when their fellow women join in to castigate them! We must be careful in pelting stones. Like Jesus, whiles we must point out sin, we must do so by rebuking the sinner IN LOVE with the fervent hope that they would be REDEEMED!
I feel she shouldn't have even come to them for solutions....probably she's already frustrated and these people are adding theirs up as if if they were in her shoes they would have done different...You shouldn't judge her
Yall talking plenty but no SENSE yall only talking about the woman WHAT ABOUT THE BROTHER THAT STARTED THIS the fact yall blaiming the woman yall weird fr eww
The usual Ghanaian/African way of solving problems. The man goes seducing the woman but you folks lay all the problem at her door step. Remember as it started she told the husband to sack his brother from their marital home. Hypocrites Nyame bekyere people.
If the guy really loves and respects her brother, he could have restrained himself. If he was brought up together with his brother and always looked out for each other, his sis-in-law would never have been attractive to him.
Rules are broken, the husband failed his own marriage when he allowed his brother to move in with them, he set his wife in a trap. whether your brother or cousin, you do not mix your wife with a male of any kind even a male dog, not near my wife. even if it was the wife sister , the husband could sleep with her in his wife.s absent visa vesa. immediately she brought the complain to his attention, he should release his brother without delay.
It appears Miss Nancy has already passed judgement on the lady. But let's see things from a more practical view and not just seeing things through a moral lense. For all you know the lady upbringing and all leaves a lot of deficit in her life that may not entirely be her fault
You should have sack the brother of all cause.... woman sometimes try not to be nice in some cases or they will put you in a big disgrace voice out that is why you have mouth.....period...
The lady is ejuaman paa, no matter what you see especially in your husband brother, she need to control herself and know that even what are about doing is wrong in the first place...is like when you know that when you jump into a pit you can die,,....because you love yourself you wont do it..
If a woman doesn't like something she will disapprove or reject it outright. What did she do for the first time the guy wrapped himself around her in the kitchen? She did nothing to send a strong warning to the brother-in-law. A woman who is not promiscuous will slap you or insult you or even report the matter to the husband right away. She will not wait for the second time.
Why does he even have to try it in the first place with he's brother's wife???? Are you saying you'll do same or you expect your wife or girlfriend to resist when she's been tempted for crazy how long? Why does it always have to be the woman's fault?
She should sit her husband down and communicate nicely that she is not comfortable with his brother in their home And there are some things best kept a secret
There are no encrypted messages to send your spouse to initiate sex--it depends on the nature of friendship--- the language you speak---sexual topics and a reminder of the last session
The lady didn’t try at all …. She lack self discipline What about if your husband and his brother trapped to see how faithful you’re in the marriage erhhhh 🤔🤔. Hmmmmm some ladies too oooo
Nancy, I think fiction could have been better worked on before it is brought out in terms of alleged time of last event, introductory statement, virtually exposing alleged victim etc.
The guest finished work....... except the percentage, some women lives like widows (though married, but their husbands are working far away and comes home after months) yet they don't messed up like this! She could be a sexual maniac or nymphomaniac.
Please men should also stop discussing their wives with friends and family.Every woman has her weak side,so therefore is not like she is weak but for the husband brother to know her weak point and use it again her,and stop blaming her that she is sexually actively.Every woman has a weak point,it just by his grace and also that people outside do not know you like your man knows you.
One of the best ways to overcome temptation is to approach it openly. Don't try to be nice, ignore and think you can handle it. If not by the time you realized it has consum you.
Let her give her life to Jesus genuinely and God will drive away the demon possessed guy and save her marriage.
It's a very delicate issue but I want to suggest that your studio members should be married before they can talk more about marital issues. I see most of them are singles, that is why they are answering the questions like that. All in all, she needs to work on her self discipline n self control.
Well said 👏
No the bro in law needs to vacate the home asap, the husband need to be made aware too. She’s trying to avoid anything happening but this is family and sometimes we don’t like to listen, the husband could have avoided this sooner
The guest is well knowledgeable and brilliant 👏.
Oooh… how I love this woman Miss Nancy, I like how she talks and your personality. You are a sweet soul, may God continue to bless you.❤️❤️❤️
Africans don't have love for their partners, love does not means sex,sex,sex,us we always talk
You are the woman, set your rules and if he cannot go according to your rule ,you walk him out because you can't run away from your own home
Self Control and discipline is very key. Humans would always be humans.
Lady Pastor Asare very well said
Yes. But self-control isn't easy when you are in a situation like that.
Why is everyone blaming the lady and leaving the evil brother-in-law and the husband out of the picture cos i think the 2 of them are cause of her woes.Perioad!!!
Nice show Nancy loving your show
If she truly spoke the truth, I don’t blame her. The in-law was evil. He was jealous of the brother and planned to disturb the marriage.
Stop using single entities in your studio,to discuss marital issues, it's actually a mismatch settings. Thanks Ms Nancy
Even listening to some of your studio audience also shows that they also lack moral
Nobody is talking ain’t the husbands brother right? That man is a demon and a home breaker 😢😢
Exactly.
The discussion is not fair to the lady. It almost appears like a guy can show up in his brother's house, make sexual advances towards his brother's wife and get no blame for it. I expected better from TV3.
The audience should confess as well
Shalom, I am Pst Divine from Nigeria. Good good job you are doing here. Please I want know if you have concluded the the case of a guy who was sleeping with a Pastor's wife with out knowing?
Good input Naa Adoley.....Even with at the point she told her husband to send the brother away, she could have gone straight to the point to make the husband aware of what the brother was doing. Because I am sure, the husband could not have just sent the brother away without knowing or having a reason to. I would have given the same excuse of not having his brother to rent an apartment. So I think she did make the attempt of trying to tell the husband but didn't really make justice to it. Aside that, through him making all these advances,she could have stood her grounds and given him a warning. Because he started doing it on purpose and he noticed he was getting her attention.
Lack moral these days will make make people do unthinkable and be giving flimsy excuses
It's a shame
But why! why! why ! The elderly brother is wicked why will he do this , this is why l don’t like family members staying with husbands and wife’s no no no
We don't mess with family you should have slapped him and refused him and let your husband know you guys betrayed your husband
Staying with family is no problem but we should know our boundaries Period. Sure, women have the strength to resist which she didn't do
This woman love big cassava 😂😂😂
Hmmmmmmmm but this could be a trap between her husby and husby brother to see how faithful she is
I love the advice from momi G.O thanks mama
The lady in pink is saying she should tell her husband what happened? Wh...what?! That's a disaster about to happen! She obviously has high sexual energy compared to her husband. And that's a fundamental problem here. The husband's elder brother living with them just doesn't sit right here. He's a shameless man with an evil agenda, and he has to leave at once! The onus lies on the lady to find a way to communicate with her husband and insist that the brother leaves. By the way, what are the ages of the people involved?
She caused it. She should have told her husband what is going
Would he even believe her???
Hm its not easy to tell yr husband that.
This what happens when you marry to a prostitue !!!!
E dey sweet am
Time and day for the show?
She is definitely not a loose woman!!!!It can happen to most woman----it is just unfortunate it is the brother -in law--taking advantage of him
The woman did not want to report the first instance to the husband--to cause friction between brothers and the brother in law took advantage
Very difficult situation-----no easy solution --once it has started --stopping it would take a determined effort on her part
The brother would definitely resort to blackmailing ------but she dug her own grave in the first place and must lie in her grave by taking a stand--say no and insist!!!!!!!
Too much wisdom. Prince are the lose women and strong women who could resist any temptation? I really want to know? It seems ladies are more prone to these falls. On the other hand I blame the husband for being so relaxed to even allow your brother to live under same roof(2bedroom)
@@oforiwaaashley3235 There’s nothing wrong with a brother allowing his brother to leave with him and his family.
The problem is actually she and the brother Inlaw whom are adults refusing to behave themselves. The husband brother lacks self control and she also lacks same…
Both of them are indisciplined fellows. So blame her and the brother Inlaw & not the husband please.💯💯💯💯
Just like a fire can start with the right component in place. This issue is a similar situation, obviously the lady became vulnerable perhaps because her own husband had little time and attention towards her couple with the fact that there was another man available in the same house 24/7.
The husband was not responsible enough to create the enabling environment. The reality is that as long as the brother remained, disaster was inevitable. Let's not blame the woman too much, she became both a victim and a perpetrator of wrong doing. Going forward, she should be insistent of getting the brother in law out of the house.
The brother is evil let's talk about him he is very bad man because he should try and spare his brother's wife .
Exactly. People are only blaming the Lady and forgetting the Brother.
The brother is not evil the girl is cheap. that is I can say
@@vidaeiiiafiahmmmboidebrah4148 vida you have concluded the whole thing God bless You...these are not marriage materials they lack discipline ...so the fact that his husband bro seduces her she should allow?
She said it firstly that in laws one is extra size than husband's one, she liked the size
They will always find an excuse too justify their actions too
This is sad
The man said obiaa b3 wri wo😂😂😂😂
This’s a sad story
The lady has already prepared herself for this very day to come. The man gave green light and the lady responded by dressing in the way that will be attractive to the man. Her dressing to the kitchen will surprise you. They have already have the sex until it actually happened. The possibility of the woman visiting the man even if he moves out of the house. it is a pity . You can take a strong decision not to continue my sister.
Why are u ignoring the evil intentions of the man nd making it look like it was all the woman's fault naaa i think u guys are been unfair to the lady
I find it hard that the judgement goes only to the woman and that is so unfair
There is nothing that you can keep without not letting him know what if the next opposite person does
This means we women can be seduced by men as well. Let’s stop the hypocrisy and help this lady.
@ woman .. are you sure your husband will not recognise your voice and join the dots together? They should have presented it in a written form instead of her being present Good luck anyways
Listen.yes the man was bad but she struggled with lust herself. She should have stop it. Anybody can fall but she should have flee. There is always a way out.
This woman I don't know what I should say 😭😭😭
The lady love's what she is seeing. Am a painter and one day I was painting for a lady and I was sweating and I hold my shirt up to clean up my face and immediately the lady saw my chest she shouted hey ! Is this how handsome you are
Don't kill her. She loves her husband and the brother probably looks like him.
Eiii Asem wei
I remember she came to write her story on Jodel oo
Maybe the brother is in a competition with his brother and wants to disrupt the marriage
Still cheated and stop blaming the men. Women need to be held accountable
Weird mindset the men started this and you are saying they should stop blaming him. You sound like someone that will do this
She didn't tell what she was wearing in the house when the husband goes out
@@blessviku7945 what difference would that make? It’s her husband’s house! And the brother should know way better! Stop the nonsense
@@Sav.Age. look at another one, you are product wasted sperm!
Both
I wish miss Nancy didnt interrupt for the lady to finish the whole story by herself
Does the brother has a job, why is he always home, when his brother leaves the house? She has to stand firm.
Are they acting or the one confessing is truly the one living what she is sharing because the voice alone and the body people who know her will recognise her
Exactly my point
I want to suggest: I just watched your video , before anyone open up to you, the person needs help. As much as I do not subscribe to indecent life style however, it's not proper to be JUDGMENTAL rather HELP the victim.
Above all ,two roomed house and you allow to stay with abrother for 3minths,let us respect our house s.never allow any Man to stay at your home
This is a husband,s brother,the husband could have communicated actively to the brother without knowing,like when a brother says go home before your wife will get angry that you are late,Then he will reply by saying as for my wife l know exactly how to handle her,l have to just show her a little muscle and so on which she can’t resist.So in his mind he is just joking but is going on in the mind of the other person is different. I really think she is not the problem and she is not sexually actively like the ladies are saying,The guy is using her weakness against her which is bad.
There are limits that no matter what you don’t cross.
The wife want to justify her wrong doing. We have free choices she plans to sleep with her husband brother to do that. Wether who started, she have a choice to avoid that negative and we always have a choices.
What???
We are not angels. If someone can admire their own sisters, then it’s easier for a brother to sleep with a brother’s wife.
The damaged is already caused. She should report it to the husband because this is a taboo!!! and it's going to cause a lot of bad luck to the husband.
This marriage should be nullify.
She wanted it
In stories like this one, there's no point in the public being vindictive of the lady and accusing her alone, as her brother-in-law is the CHIEF CULPRIT here, so let's cut her some slack!
Having said that, her husband must shoulder part of the blame if he had listened to his wife when she started feeling uneasy with his elder brother's presence in their matrimonial home. If he was a very caring, thoughtful and meticulous husband, he would've probed further and seen reasons with his wife. All these happenings would've probably been nipped in the bud!
And once again, in this day and age, who does that i.e. welcome your elder brother to come and live with you when you're newly wedded? Spare me the rhetoric that he was about traveling outside the country; 3 months and over, and he's still living with his younger brother and not just passing advances at his wife, but tripping her up too, by walking around almost NAKED in the house whenever his brother isn't around. Gosh! This is calculated! Just like the Biblical story of the woman caught up in adultery, why does society always BLAME WOMEN when there are 2 parties involved?
PS -- I am a MAN, and I sometimes feel, WOMEN are unjustly treated in matters like this one. It's even heart wrenching when their fellow women join in to castigate them! We must be careful in pelting stones. Like Jesus, whiles we must point out sin, we must do so by rebuking the sinner IN LOVE with the fervent hope that they would be REDEEMED!
I feel she shouldn't have even come to them for solutions....probably she's already frustrated and these people are adding theirs up as if if they were in her shoes they would have done different...You shouldn't judge her
Society always judge as wrong my dear...it's always our fault...smh
The husband was doing it ,but it's just not enough, and she refused to speak out .
Confession 🔥🔥
De husband sef no try,y u for carry ur bro come ur matrimonial house
Some men are just lack knowledge 🎉 about this.
Say that dear. Prevention is always better than cure.
Both of them are wrong! If the man is insane, The woman should call him to order.
I love dis woman 🥰🥰
Why was Ms Nancy on the side of the man like that...she's just talking about the woman
Most African women are bias. Prejudice will never leave them..
Right from the onset she just liked it
Yall talking plenty but no SENSE yall only talking about the woman WHAT ABOUT THE BROTHER THAT STARTED THIS the fact yall blaiming the woman yall weird fr eww
Ekua knew the brother in law b4 she got married. The man knew her that well that he knew her weaknesses.
Ms Nancy, meaning you are not married?
The usual Ghanaian/African way of solving problems. The man goes seducing the woman but you folks lay all the problem at her door step. Remember as it started she told the husband to sack his brother from their marital home. Hypocrites Nyame bekyere people.
People should know that we're not the same period! What she needs is a solution not condemnation.
She is bad, period!
@@blessviku7945 you’re Jesus…well done o
Sure
@@Sav.Age. I like that, thanks!
If the guy really loves and respects her brother, he could have restrained himself. If he was brought up together with his brother and always looked out for each other, his sis-in-law would never have been attractive to him.
This story is too familiar
Exactly
Broken pen
The problem of the woman is she like big manhood that is why
The woman is not correct and also her mind is full of sex
Rules are broken, the husband failed his own marriage when he allowed his brother to move in with them, he set his wife in a trap. whether your brother or cousin, you do not mix your wife with a male of any kind even a male dog, not near my wife. even if it was the wife sister , the husband could sleep with her in his wife.s absent visa vesa. immediately she brought the complain to his attention, he should release his brother without delay.
Hello Fellows!if you are a believer in Christ then you have to hold on to your Faith cos on Judgement day there will not be any axcuse.
She has to confess to her husband right away. That is the right thing to do. Because she has already had sex with the guy in her mind.
she is not telling the whole truth. she has already sampled him and is feeling guilty about it.
She’s not innocent either why she didn’t stop him
It appears Miss Nancy has already passed judgement on the lady. But let's see things from a more practical view and not just seeing things through a moral lense. For all you know the lady upbringing and all leaves a lot of deficit in her life that may not entirely be her fault
You should have sack the brother of all cause.... woman sometimes try not to be nice in some cases or they will put you in a big disgrace voice out that is why you have mouth.....period...
The lady is ejuaman paa, no matter what you see especially in your husband brother, she need to control herself and know that even what are about doing is wrong in the first place...is like when you know that when you jump into a pit you can die,,....because you love yourself you wont do it..
I don’t believe this whole set up this clearly shows this was well scripted and practise Dnt blv everything u sees on the internet😎
Same sentiment.
She lacks self discipline. Period!
Because she's a woman?
If a woman doesn't like something she will disapprove or reject it outright.
What did she do for the first time the guy wrapped himself around her in the kitchen? She did nothing to send a strong warning to the brother-in-law. A woman who is not promiscuous will slap you or insult you or even report the matter to the husband right away. She will not wait for the second time.
Why does he even have to try it in the first place with he's brother's wife???? Are you saying you'll do same or you expect your wife or girlfriend to resist when she's been tempted for crazy how long? Why does it always have to be the woman's fault?
She should sit her husband down and communicate nicely that she is not comfortable with his brother in their home
And there are some things best kept a secret
There are no encrypted messages to send your spouse to initiate sex--it depends on the nature of friendship--- the language you speak---sexual topics and a reminder of the last session
She needs to confess else it will come up
In my opinion it started from somewhere, why can't she speak to her husband even before the in law gets far? I will say she is quite weak.
Hmmm.....
The lady didn’t try at all …. She lack self discipline
What about if your husband and his brother trapped to see how faithful you’re in the marriage erhhhh 🤔🤔. Hmmmmm some ladies too oooo
Why would you plan with your brother to trap your wife? That means you don't trust her so he shouldn't have married her.
Is it the real brother??????????
I CALL MY HUSBAND (HANDSOME)
Nancy, I think fiction could have been better worked on before it is brought out in terms of alleged time of last event, introductory statement, virtually exposing alleged victim etc.
Brother is evil by doing such things
The guest finished work....... except the percentage, some women lives like widows (though married, but their husbands are working far away and comes home after months) yet they don't messed up like this!
She could be a sexual maniac or nymphomaniac.
The elder brother is a very wicked person
The woman is a loose woman
period! the husband must leave
her Joseph did not give in to
Potiphar's wife.
No no no to her excuses
You not serious
Is this a story or what? The woman is too cheap.
Please men should also stop discussing their wives with friends and family.Every woman has her weak side,so therefore is not like she is weak but for the husband brother to know her weak point and use it again her,and stop blaming her that she is sexually actively.Every woman has a weak point,it just by his grace and also that people outside do not know you like your man knows you.
The husband never talked about his wife's weakness to his brother. It's quite unfortunate it happened to the lady that way.
This lady pastor need deliverance because she need to confess to her husband
Hmmm I love miss Nancy soooo much💕💕💕
Eiiiiii
All planned. Mo nfa mo gyimee nfiri ho ko
Hahahahahahahahahaha
Like seriously
The brother is a curse man and also a demonic man