guiding a hunter seeker is like flying a drone, in VR. the tech to make autonomous is illegal and a mortal sin/ heavily taboo "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”
the full line from the book is “You’ve heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap? There’s an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind.”
@@SemiStableUniverse Its to prove they are a Human and not just a animal. That a Human can see beyond the present / moment and plan for the future. An Animal would not accept the pain and lay in wait to take out the threat. A HUMAN would.
i think the ships move through some kind of hyperspace not real space. BTW the Spice, does many things, its an anti anti agathic, it enables the limited prescience of the navigators the full prescience of paul, a form of it is used by the Mentats to help them with their calculations, its also massively addictive and withdrawal is fatal
the Atredies and harkonens have been fighting each other on and off for 10,000 years they know a lot about each other. war in the dune universe is heavily prescribed mostly its sabotage and assassination as it's massively expensive to move armies as the guild charges a fortune for combat operations, it almost bankrupted the Harkonens paying for the attack in the movie.
the harkonens were based in the city of Carthag not Arakeen. part of the reason they are hiring some locals is to get the locals on side, getting anything past a Bene Gessert isn't easy so Jessica is a good person to interview the candidates.
they do use some projectile weapons generally dart throwers that can penetrate the shields. Lasguns only have limited use as in dune if a lasgun beam hits a shield there is a chance of an atomic explosion
@@SemiStableUniverse The lore is tight in the sense that its a story about human beings and the politics of them. The scifi setting is just a setting and is not hard science fiction like say a Alastair Reynolds Revelation Space series.
I think you guys fixated on the "navigate the stars" line, when by your own admission the "TH-cam video" Paul was watching seemed to be fairly high level. It would be like watching some random discovery channel show from like 10 years ago about the galaxy meant for kids, there is going to be so much high level brushing over of the nitty gritty. I mean, why else would the video be literally explaining why the most valuable thing is valuable. Any TH-cam video that has to explain why oil is valuable is not going to go into accurate descriptions of the refinement process, or the logistics of global trade. I think "navigating the stars" is just poetic language, and the guild navigators actually do a lot of work calculating folding space and stuff. As for if the big tube is a wormhole, Idk what's going on with that either, it does sort of confuse the whole "you need to hire a navigator" thing. But I can see why mentats and the like would be needed to do calculations, even if it was just to maintain the stability of the wormhole. First off you have to handle all the constant micro adjustments to maintain the orbits, constantly recalculating the relative motion of two planets around two separate stars. That alone would be extremely difficult. Add in whatever math is needed to maintain a wormhole, I can't imagine that it would be simpler to maintain a wormhole than it would be to run a particle accelerator. And imagine doing that without big computers. And all that is assuming that the giant tube ship is a ""stationary"" wormhole. And not just the elaborate ftl system involves folding space, wherein the outer shell appears in two places at once and the inner ring becomes a temporary bridge or something. In which case the "navigator" nomiker is maintained a bit better
So Paul was really ignorant of Arrakis and the politics of spice if he had to watch that "youtube" video! You're probably right that "navigating the star" is just poetic language for the folding space calculations. Yeah, some other comments talked about how the big tube isn't actually in the books. The tube makes it looks like moving between stars is easier than it is.
it's not mars lol. by this time earth is long destroyed during the butlerian jihad against the machines. the imperial calendar starts from the end of butlerian jihad it's actually closer to 30,000 years in the future
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Guild navigators (not mentats..) are needed to discover paths between stars that dont invole hitting objects at relativistic speeds.
This has to be the best review for durn part one I've ever seen and the 13th best review In general that i have seen
Two top 20s?!
There was a comment that said the same but negative, so I felt the need to turn that positive
guiding a hunter seeker is like flying a drone, in VR. the tech to make autonomous is illegal and a mortal sin/ heavily taboo "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”
We were thinking more like pre-programmed routines to facilitate human piloting. Nothing AI-like.
the full line from the book is
“You’ve heard of animals chewing off
a leg to escape a trap? There’s an animal kind of trick. A
human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning
death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to
his kind.”
But what is that supposed to prove? I guess the Bene Gesserit are looking for genetic behaviors, and this test finds them?
@@SemiStableUniverse Its to prove they are a Human and not just a animal. That a Human can see beyond the present / moment and plan for the future. An Animal would not accept the pain and lay in wait to take out the threat. A HUMAN would.
i think the ships move through some kind of hyperspace not real space. BTW the Spice, does many things, its an anti anti agathic, it enables the limited prescience of the navigators the full prescience of paul, a form of it is used by the Mentats to help them with their calculations, its also massively addictive and withdrawal is fatal
the Atredies and harkonens have been fighting each other on and off for 10,000 years they know a lot about each other. war in the dune universe is heavily prescribed mostly its sabotage and assassination as it's massively expensive to move armies as the guild charges a fortune for combat operations, it almost bankrupted the Harkonens paying for the attack in the movie.
That is an incredibly long time for families/houses to survive!
the harkonens were based in the city of Carthag not Arakeen. part of the reason they are hiring some locals is to get the locals on side, getting anything past a Bene Gessert isn't easy so Jessica is a good person to interview the candidates.
We agree that hiring locals is a great idea, just not for the household staff!
This has to be the most pedantic review for durn part one I've ever seen and the 13th best review in general that I have ever seen.
Top 20!
@@SemiStableUniverse congrats on making random dude on youtube's top 20
they do use some projectile weapons generally dart throwers that can penetrate the shields. Lasguns only have limited use as in dune if a lasgun beam hits a shield there is a chance of an atomic explosion
From our perspective, the tech seems all over the place. People insist the Dune lore is tight, though, and that we have a lot to learn.
@@SemiStableUniverse The lore is tight in the sense that its a story about human beings and the politics of them. The scifi setting is just a setting and is not hard science fiction like say a Alastair Reynolds Revelation Space series.
poison is a common additive to blades in dune as well so a nick can be fatal.
Makes sense given the shields
you guys should read the book and then do another one of these it would be interesting to see the differences
Totally!
This is the third review for dune part one I've ever seen and the 13th review overall.
they did cut a lot of the details of the atriedies securing the planet for the movie
I think you guys fixated on the "navigate the stars" line, when by your own admission the "TH-cam video" Paul was watching seemed to be fairly high level. It would be like watching some random discovery channel show from like 10 years ago about the galaxy meant for kids, there is going to be so much high level brushing over of the nitty gritty. I mean, why else would the video be literally explaining why the most valuable thing is valuable. Any TH-cam video that has to explain why oil is valuable is not going to go into accurate descriptions of the refinement process, or the logistics of global trade.
I think "navigating the stars" is just poetic language, and the guild navigators actually do a lot of work calculating folding space and stuff.
As for if the big tube is a wormhole, Idk what's going on with that either, it does sort of confuse the whole "you need to hire a navigator" thing. But I can see why mentats and the like would be needed to do calculations, even if it was just to maintain the stability of the wormhole. First off you have to handle all the constant micro adjustments to maintain the orbits, constantly recalculating the relative motion of two planets around two separate stars. That alone would be extremely difficult. Add in whatever math is needed to maintain a wormhole, I can't imagine that it would be simpler to maintain a wormhole than it would be to run a particle accelerator. And imagine doing that without big computers.
And all that is assuming that the giant tube ship is a ""stationary"" wormhole. And not just the elaborate ftl system involves folding space, wherein the outer shell appears in two places at once and the inner ring becomes a temporary bridge or something. In which case the "navigator" nomiker is maintained a bit better
So Paul was really ignorant of Arrakis and the politics of spice if he had to watch that "youtube" video!
You're probably right that "navigating the star" is just poetic language for the folding space calculations.
Yeah, some other comments talked about how the big tube isn't actually in the books. The tube makes it looks like moving between stars is easier than it is.
Dune always bothered me but everyone else seemed to like it. I though part two was worse and everyone around me said it was even better. 😑
I wouldn't say Dune bothered us, but we are certainly watching it with casual-fan eyes. We aren't taking everything on faith that "it's in the lore!".
it's not mars lol. by this time earth is long destroyed during the butlerian jihad against the machines. the imperial calendar starts from the end of butlerian jihad it's actually closer to 30,000 years in the future
Yeah, it's probably just a copy-paste thing, but we weren't sure!
This has to be the 3rd worst review for durn part one I’ve ever seen and the 13th worst review in general that I have ever seen.
Three top 20s!