Shannon Sharpe & Chad Johnson debate if Kyler Murray is mature enough to lead Cardinals | Nightcap
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- Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Arizona Cardinals posting Kyler Murray on their social media pages as their franchise quarterback ahead of the NFL Combine. They debate whether Kyler has matured and is ready to lead the Cardinals on a deep playoff run.
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I love Ocho's positivity but damn man, it's OK to be objective and critique every now and then.
Yeah it’s annoying
I know it’s all love but I don’t think he realizes that not everyone deserves the positivity, and they do need the harsh love unc gives to be better
Critique and talking down like unc does is 2 different things. Ocho keep being you and uplifting
@@seth7860there is things in contracts all the time. Weight clauses number of games etc.
@@TheKingofsoccorfacts Chad Johnson ain't negativeime shannon shay Sharpe
Ocho was playing video games instead of hitting that Patriots playbook 😂
Everyone hates the patriots playbook. Davonte Adams and many more. Patriot way or no way
Talk that talk , I remember that
@anthonymercado8126 he only had 15 catches all season. I think they were all right without him 😆 Don't get me wrong, I like Ocho. He was a very good player.
Chad was over the hill by hill by then, lets talk about when he was in his prime
“ protect theeself for yee-eth never knoweth “ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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You need to learn how to do time stamps
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Ocho 4 12
These conversations keep showing the difference between hall of famer's mindset vs great player's mindset.
They grew up in completely different eras and Ocho isn't wrong either. Take every hall of famer and look at their team. More than likely, there are other HoFers on that team with them.
Ocho was good not great.
@obama4003 The point is that their highly disciplined mindset is what earned them a place in The Hall of Fame. More time and dedication to their craft on and off the field. Eras has nothing to do with it. Every elite player across the generations has this in common.
@@Aj_9_naw he was great just in a era with better
@@Aj_9_he was a legend
The same reason the Pelicans put the weight clause in Zion’s contract is the reason the Cardinals put the study clause in Kyler’s.
If Kyler was that good without watching film he’s top 3 talent wise in the league (he’s not, which proves my point he’s clearly still watching film)
@@catchemcarlisle5655watching film and being a film junky is different. being a capable QB and being a HOF player is different. nobody is paying a quarter of a billion dollars for mediocre. They’re paying that for deep playoff runs, Super Bowl appearances and wins. For his COD play to even be an issue means it’s too much and he’s not doing enough outside of the requirements in the facility. I’ve never played QB but I was a D1 linebacker and I can break down a defensive look from my couch on Sunday’s so the fact he can do that in the game isn’t impressive. It’s expected. Everybody watches film, only the great dedicate themselves to it and they’re paying him for greatness
Ocho is speaking from a receiver perspective, QB is one of those postions if you're not locked in off the field as well then you'll be behind
How many yard's you threw in 1 yr as a QB? On any level?
@@jerkfan123 How many Shannon and all of Murray bosses threw? The point you're trying to make is terrible
@@Nedo_ao so you gonna compare yourself to ocho and shay😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Nedo_ao and Murray bosses is paying him so I don't understand that angle like at all 😕
@@jerkfan123You know that the mvp on nearly every team is the QB if you aren’t studying then you’re falling behind.
Mike Vick said he used to throw the playbook in his trunk and never studied. He was operating off of his pure talent and athleticism.
When he was in Philly, he studied and there was a difference.
Kyler is undersized, he needs to study and do whatever it takes to be the best he can be.
The fact that Vick was STILL successful in Atlanta with his work ethic is absolutely mind blowing…
LMAO Chad couldn’t even keep from smiling after that “bible verse”😂😂😂 Ocho 4:12
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Ocho, stop narking on mahomes who dey
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Book of Ocho 4:12😂
It’s a reason Ocho didn’t produce in New England… and we’re seeing why. They said he couldn’t grasp the plays, nah he was playing video games.
Conversations like this show us the difference between good and great!
Mahomes himself plays alot of video games so i guess he is not great then?
@helicopterhelicopter3575 you missed the whole part about priorities, huh? Mahomes is one of the hardest workers.
@@GreyMann2 so why does he play video games then?
Everyone has the will to win. Not everyone has the will to prepare to win ~Coach Bobby Knight
Ocho I need the text and verse of that bible quote!😂😂
😂😂 Ocho chapter 8, verse 5
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Unc broke his own analogy when he brought up MJ. MJ was an AVID golfer during and the off season. He gambled too, some nights before games.
Tom Brady did played golf, surfed.
Everybody has hobbies and interests outside of their job. There is nothing wrong with having a one track mind for your path to greatness, but some people have other things to keep them preoccupied when they don't want to burn themselves out of their original goal.
The only thing is now, most of these things are beholden to the social media age, imagine if social media got ahold of Jordan Golfing during the season or around playoff time (which he did, golfed in the morning, that night put up 56 points).
All that matters is if he performs. Same is what matters for Kyler. As long as he performs.
True. Let’s not forget Iverson as well. Famously went out to clubs and had to be carried home… but still wrecked fools on the court every night. Some guys are just blessed with that special talent.
I think another thing to consider; Kyler is not a married man and has no children. I do not know how much time other greats spend on family, but this is something kyler does not spend time on. Are we saying brees and brady didnt take time to spend with family? They both seem to have great relationships with their kids. There are things outside of football like that which uncs generation does not put in the same category, but time spent is time spent, don't matter how morally superior it is.
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Shit famous story of MJ playing like several rounds of golf before one of his olympic games and absolutely embarassing a PG who happened to of been talking trash about him. Mj invested in a lot of me time he just also invested in his craft a lot as well their is a balance. The question is your trying to compare these athletes to the greatest in his field.
I say Kobe was probably a lot worse than Jordan he didnt have much me time in that sense he overworked himself became obsessed with his craft.
So you can do both theoretically but you also want to have a life preferably.
@@S.G93Unc generation...i dont necessarily think Unc understands that part you brought up. Unc i think spent a lot of time taking his job too seriously not understanding there is more important things outside of football. Obviously he wanted to be the greatest and he was the greatest at his position for a long time, but even my Dad who was a coach at the college level will tell you dont make the sport your entire life and being because the sport is going to leave you someday you cant play it forever.
I agree with Shannon. One example I got that was great was the difference between Olympian track stars and amateurs was seconds. That’s what separated the good from the great, seconds.
So you absolutely need to use every minute you have to close the gap. Peyton and Brady were great examples of that.
I'm starting to think that Ocho is OK with people not being responsible because he wasn't as responsible as he should have been eating McDonald's 24/7 is a great example
Kyler does protect himself. He always has. His injury was non-contact.
Ocho refuses to answer the question: How much time is someone like Patrick Mahomes spending playing video games?
Rockin with Ocho all the way. Kyler is ready. Video game situation will be 2 yrs ago next season
And we're still talking about his maturity aren't we?
Of course you would y'all both are yes men who don't wanna ruffle feathers
You do realize he's still part of faze clan the video game situation hasn't changed at all
The entire situation was overblown, winning cures all!
bro just because you're in FaZe doesn't mean you have to play video games. FaZe was turning into a mostly social media organization outside of gaming. @@GARBO96
The difference in the Rosen situation is that they had the #1 overall and Rosen had one of the worst rookie QB years ever so there was actual momentum to move on. Here they're picking 4th and while Kyler isn't perfect he's an above average starter when healthy
Protect thyself, for ye never knoweth - Chad 8:5
This is why people say Unc hates L8, I think he’s not even aware of how disparaging he sounds when he talks about Lamar. Patrick is all time but acting like Andy Reid isn’t a key part of their success just so you can make Lamar out to be just an above average is showing a level of unconscious bias.
Facts
Some people don’t want to be great. They’re just okay with being good.
Mike played golf and gambled.
Right!
After the parades yea
@@DB-cg4vsMike played golf and dropped 56 against the Heat the same day in the playoffs what you talkn bout.
You can do that when you're great. Murray is FAR from greatness. Dude has a losing record for God's sake.
Mike is an all time great Kyler ain't no where near the level of being an all time great
Chad is wildin with that haircut! 🤣 @0:53 Shave it all bro! One of my favorite guys in Sports media
I respect Chad's opinion but he's bugging if he thinks putting Lamar on KC would win a SB. Patrick has that dog in him not many other QBs have anymore. Like you saw him step up when they needed him in the clutch, you just rarely see that in most QBs.
Na he most definitely would
It’s like watching a prosecutor vs public defender
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All these teams put crazy shit in contracts, this just got blown out of proportion. As a cards fan, the old front office was grimy to the point that old cards legends, besides fitz nobody else fucks with them especially the old gm Steve keim. For unc to actually think Murray wasn’t watching tape is crazy, especially with the fact he himself was a small TE, he of all people should know talent alone isn’t gonna carry you in the nfl especially if your undersize at your position.
Have to agree with Uncle on this one. You have to eat, breathe and live your craft! To be one of the greatest, you have to do what the 99% won’t do!
You can tell Shannon was thinking “that’s why I’m in the hall of fame” when Ocho was comparing how they spent their free time & such… saying Shannon went over board.. proved Shannon’s point.. there’s a price for greatness
I can't take these guys serious. They both got a F at the combine lol... That segment was funny as hell lol. Keep going up Unc and OCHO!
Unc out of touch. All them qbs had something they liked to do to clear their mind. He purposely stayed on video games for a reason
That is true but if they felt the need to put it in a contract it was affecting him negatively
@@yeastarly4268 I agree that's what he should have stayed on. It ain't the video games why there are only a few top teams. It's always been that way
Och is speaking straight facts about lamar ✅️✅️
Yes Kyler is mature enough to be a leader. He butted heads with his coach but alot of people had problems with the way Kliff lead the Cardinals as a HC.
Alot of us here in Arizona. Believe the video game thing came from cliff. Cause that offense never really came to fruition
He is a promising young QB but he got too much guaranteed money. His contract should have been more incentive based!
Kyler has been in the NFL for some time now. I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe he is mature enough or is the answer for Arizona.
Calling him immature for something that happened 2 years ago. You don’t know shit
He's immature because he has a hobby he like to do?
It's a very high paying JOB, not a hobby at this level, but then again maybe thats the problem ..he treats it as if it is a hobby.@@J_williams22
never change ocho
Put down the controller 😂😂yall savage
I’m with Ocho
Bro Shannon age is showing right now. Ocho is more in touch with this generation. SMH.
It doesn't matter what generation you are from. To be great, you need to put in the work. This generation is lame as hell.
@@RealSerie26 Unc brought up MJ there been stories about MJ going to Vegas in the middle of season before games. And during the Olympics playing golf right before the game.
Unc seemingly has some obsessive compulsive behavior going on. So being so focus works for him. Even Pat Mahomes says he plays some during the week not a lot.
And why is not a coach trying to shift blame on the QB to protect his job? When it fits the stereo type of black QB not being students of the game.
Being great doesn't mean you don't have fun or things to decompress. Dennis Rodman was a great player and did alot outside of basketball. Jay Z was a great rapper but did business outside of music. Just focusing on one thing doesn't mean you will be great.
@@geraldmobley3568Dennis Rodman is one heck of an outlier though. He's an "Extreme" example lol
Pat in Baltimore vs Lamar in KC and comparing the two without mentioning the coaching staff is such a logical fallacy I can’t with this 🤦🏽
Yeah, because Andy Reid had super bowls before Pat got into the league. Not
dont put that much blame on the coaches, lamar didnt play that well and the defense got punked, dont tell me about the 2nd half either
@@ShokusApolloTV is that all you took away from that game?
Um lamar has a Super Bowl winning coach
@@maingod1709 are you telling me John Harbaugh is on the same level as Andy Reid?
Y’all can’t keep letting this man off the hook
As a Cards fan I’m excited to see what we can do with K1 and real weapons. The new regime, and how he responded to this injury gives me hope we can go far and I was a fan of him before
Did the Call of Duty and Madden updated patch come out yet?? That's what Murray is worried about!!
@@kcx1588x the only thing more overused than this joke is your mother
Real weapons? He had hopkins, conner, ertz...
@@lwshamilton44 I know your mother's the one being used just like Murray being a "bust" so is your mom! Reality hurts!!
@@ahkjdh13 exactly when he has those he was an mvp candidate, hop was hurt first 6 games and k1 got hurt multiple times that season he tore his ACL. Last year in the games he played they were a top 10 scoring offense without a real number 1 receiver imagine with a Marvin and free agency
Murray hurt his thumb when he accidentally pressed the wrong button on the video game pad and threw a INT in Madden!!
Everyone doesn't have to study the same amount maybe kyler can watch 30 min and learn what another qb needs 4 hrs to learn everyone's different
I love how Dude cut him off when he was about to tell him how Much video games Mahomes plays. Mahomes is a gamer and puts a lot of time in video games. all these old heads are really showing their age.
Ocho really doesn't add anything when it comes to NFL analysis and I kinda wonder how much he even still follows the game.
I swear Ocho gotta thing for a lack of responsibility being ok..😂
Did t have a dad
You can the difference between Shannon Sharpe raised by his grandfather and a brother a few years older he looked up to. Chad Johnson never wants to be hold other men accountable, he never wants to offer any critique only flowery praise. I can’t relate to guys who were acculturated to think like women
He talks alot with his feelings its like is he hearing himself he dont be making no sense... its like im listening to a female sometimes
4 baby mommas😭
@@speedyblackston1647no correlation
Unk had Ocho against the wall but Ocho couterpunched with the Work Life Balance comment which I believe is true. It can't be 💯 football, you need to decompress even from your " job".
That video tells you why Ocho doesn’t have a job on TV. With his personality he should… but he’s not… because he’s an apologist
Shannon act like a player has to be all football 24/7.Damn the player has to have a life outside of football and kyler choose to play video games instead of clubbing and drinking
And all these old guys playing golf and shit in their spare time not like they only focused on football. Old generation just hate video games when they waste more time on other things and think they better for that
ocho’s kinda right, we acting like these players nowadays arent all gaming. mahomes has openly talked about his gaming🤣 reek is always playing fortnite, but the media likes to make it seem like kylers the only nfl player to play video games
*He has to be more committed to his playbook but to not never give up*
Kyler was successful in HS and college because he was so much better than everyone else. Even Cam Newton had it like that for a minute in the NFL, but people catch up and they figure out how to stop you and then you have to rely on more than physical ability.
😂😂😂 Unc always has to break stuff down to dummy terms for Ocho
Not taking away from Ocho’s career, but only one of these guys are in the HOF. Consistency plus hard work translates to success. Just my humble opinion.
Unc was right in this.
They found out that kylers points scored went down on weeks call of duty released a update.
If the team didn’t think it was a issue they wouldn’t have put it in the contract.
The team and agent were embarrassed once it got out.
Just because Mahomes wins in KC don't mean he's gonna do same in Baltimore or anywhere else. Manning first, then Brady the only ones that won it again in a different place.
Mahomes would win a Super Bowl in Baltimore
I agree with unc on this one, highly doubt they would’ve put something like that in his contract if it wasn’t a problem. I’m all for balance, but getting paid top level QB money in the nfl entails certain things
I agree with Ocho.
If Kyler was committed to being great we wouldn’t have these questions about him
How do you take a team like the cardinals to a 7-0 record and not prepare for the game. He did this in the NFL The narrative of video games was something that made no sense.
Yeah. And once teams caught on, they went downhill fast
@@OldHeadLootthat’s not what happened he got hurt and Hopkins got hurt same game vs packers
4:09 I can’t with Shanon the way he looked down 😂😂😂🤣
😂😂 i love how yall want Ocho to hate on people he ain't the type to talk down stop being mad bout it
Unc is a hard taskmaster! I don't think you can have or start a family working for him... although it might be good money.
Shit that's a lot of parents though, pretty sure his kids are fine with how they were raised
@@Nedo_ao he already said he was a bad father
@@carltonrudolphI wasn't referring to when he was playing. None of them can be great fathers when you're constantly traveling and watching film when you're off
If you have a family they have to understand that work with Unc comes first… that’s for sure. Unc is definitely old school and doesn’t accept excuses. Only wants results.
@@Nedo_ao I probably should have been more specific in saying that to be on shay sharpe staff I don't think you can have or start a family working for him.... the only time you can go on vacation is when he go on vacation, and he hasn't had one since 96
Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but no one wants to lifts these heavy ass weights.
Kyler could say playing madden keeps his mind knowing defenses but yeah I would definitely put video games down for 200+ million 💵
Let remember what they been saying about the Black QB.... STILL saying about the black QB. Unfortunately we don't have the wiggle room of others, fairly or unfairly we have to be super exceptional or people gonna point the finger...:see I told you, black QB"
Love this show one of the best! I like that they disagree and it’s like two great friends having a conversation! Congratulations on the mil
And that’s why ocho cinco as good as he was he definitely didn’t reach that next level because he didnt want to sacrifice to become one of the greats
Everyone needs a friend like ocho . His the best
I heard Travis Kelce say no one watches more film than Patrick Mahomes....
Ocho wouldn’t criticize a player even if there was a gun to his head 😂 he does have a good point when it comes to no video games leading to winning more tho
Ocho is Loyal …I like that!!
If Ocho really wanna take off in the media game, he gone start having to call it how it is and not try be buddy buddy with all the players
And you are? He seems to be doing even though he’s not your cup of tea nerd
@@jrcrit8843 that was unnecessary
@@jrcrit8843Why calling someone a nerd? Just another person having his opinion like yourself
@@StatBoiRichie lol it’s the internet not that deep
@@e.c8532 this is true but I still called him a nerd……..
Ocho knoweth he lieth. Lol
@7:51 "Protect yee self, because yeeith never knowith" 🤔🤨🙂😂🤣
Kyler doesn't value studying because he expects his athleticism to bail him out of situations he doesn't understand. Coaches need to start embarrassing him in the film room. Ask him in front of the entire offense why is he scrambling when his 1st or 2nd read is open. Ask him why is he looking a the X receiver when the TE is the primary receiver if the defense plays zone. Hold him accountable.
So far all kylers shown me is he can be great for HALF a season amd bum out the other half. I don't expect a change in that
Anyone defending how he studies film should remember. HE SAID he doesn't study it much or isn't highly studying film...
He never said that you just making shit up go watch any recent video and Monti or Jg talking about k1 and he lives in the facility even during the offseason
@@lvl7Zone you can also look up the clip of kyler saying that 😂😂 matter of fact skip and shannon did a segment on that clip when it came out its why i remember so well 😂😂
@@shadow_td watching that clip doesn’t change my point
Unc is right. Every successful person I've ever met does not have any semblance of work/life balance. They're workaholics.
I agree with Ocho I think Kyler Murray Sure not watching film is a myth. If you really watch him throughout his career, he doesn’t really play like he’s not watching film not only that his dad was a whole quarterback. He lived a quarterback lifestyle since he was young. I’m sure he didn’t miss out on film 6a ball in Texas the dude was playing against his future NFL peers literally so I’m more than sure film is apart of his life
Patrick Mahomes plays quite a bit of video games so I think Shannon is putting a little too much into gaming being the problem. It definitely could be but the lack of film study is what matters. Kyler just needs better time management or something. Not to mention a better Oline, better receivers, better defense, better coaching staff I could go on but I won’t.
Being a Talented Player can take you far without putting in the work, but, being a Great Player takes a lot of Hard work using your talent. "Don't let that go over your head!"
Ocho is correct in principle and Shannon is correct in practice. Everyone will naturally find a balance and equilibrium and something to offset the effort they put in like Ocho says. Shannon is suggesting that there is a fine line between a hobby and a vice. We don’t really know why Kyler wasn’t on his iPad, we are guessing that it’s video-games because of their addictive nature, but whatever it was, for Kyler to reach the next level he has to spend time with real game-tape.
Andy Reid took McNabb to the Super Bowl, he could definitely take Lamar there! Takes nothing away from Mahomes
Ocho is right about having balance, though. Serena had balance. Richard was criticized because he made sure Venus and Serena had balance. He said he didn’t want them to burnout like other players.
When they got older, Venus and Serena were still criticized because they took time to go to college, did a reality show and other things. Serena even did quite a bit of acting and Venus opened an interior design firm. They still won. Serena became the GOAT.
I believe in Kyler until the first week of November.
5:43 Shannon as a Mcdonald's manager on your first day
Ain’t nobody gone say nothing about Ocho’s “hairline”?? 😂 boy got a five-head
ESPN morality clause. Don't get caught
Ocho always making excuses for everyone smh 🤦. That's why Uncs got rings and a jacket
Good job Ocho Stick up for us
Love how they turned this into a Mahomes Lamar debate lol
That’s the difference between Unc (HOF) and Ocho (fun good player everyone enjoyed watching). Greatness has no balance.
Ocho: Who lined you up!? 😅
“That’s Ocho 420” 😂
Shannon that’s just like you going to the strip club or out partying . Kyler chooses to play game . Shannon , you’d be surprised of how many GREAT players play video games .
Except none of them have clauses for him to basically "focus" on the actual qb part of his job...
Ocho is the Paula Abdul of this pod cast!
If ocho watched and studied basketball instead of playing games he wouldnt have lost opportunity to Gilbert coming on the show...
Damn, Chad is 46 years old 45 years old one of them. It’s time to grow up bro damn.
He is grown, he takes care and provides for his family, works, is financially responsible, keeps himself in shape and doesn't have bad vices except smoking cigars.
With Kyler being a PRO GAMER, of course the team would be concerned about his loyalty. A 200+ mil investment isn't chump change.
The funny thing about Shannon asking "How great do you want to be" because Kyler plays video games is that Lionel Messi is rumored to play a lot of video games when he's done training and he's arguably the greatest player the sport has ever seen. There's also that old footage of the San Antonio Spurs (including Duncan and Robinson) playing each other in Starcraft during the '99 NBA Finals which they won over the Knicks. There's even a photo of them having a LAN party on the plane after they won.
Kyler has all the talent in the world, just put the damn game down
Ocho had a great point with mj and gambling. Jordan was the goat, and that brother would gamble on anything! They used to have the joke that the worst two words you could say to Michael Jordan is "wanna bet" lol