I absolutely hate seeing comments where people praise idols pushing through their injuries and calling them "professionals" for being in pain, damaging their health and well-being because "the show must go on". They are being treated like robots by their companies and the fans just love the "strong and dedicated" image, as if the idols weren't even human beings at all. It's disgusting.
yes i hate the fact people call it professionalism. It’s not professionalism they are literally being pressured into performing under conditions that prevent them from being able to jobs to the best of their abilities.
Your comment kind of reminds me of some social media posts, which praises people making makeshift medical equipment because their health insurance doesn't provide.
For examples an leg injuries take few months to cure but in idol industry rest for them is impossible and they been push to limit man good example is like k-pop fuse m_pop exo can, t rmb the star name he got injured and his dp dun care his or whole group condition
Also all these for huge pay contract of i believe each member 1.5 - 2 millions wons pre months or year also it take like drain life just get those payments
I wonder how these untreated, neglected or badly treated injuries will manifest once they're older. In about 5-10 years we're gonna hear a lot of stories from former idols about decade old injuries they still have to treat
there are actually, one member from infinite injured himself on a football game for ISAC and he still have to treat that probably for the rest of his life
Even if the idol “chose” to go on even though they had an injury or illness, it’s still a negative reflection of the culture they’re living under. They “chose” to go on because they knew that saying “I can’t, I need to rest” would lead to negative feedback or even punishment from their managers or, God forbid, other members. There is no company that would praise an idol for taking the time they need!
Sometimes, in theatre, "the show must go on" includes an understudy taking over a role mid-show and even altering choreography. Everyone should have the ability to listen to their own body. If sitting on a chair and singing or rapping is okay for the performer, than they can do that; but if they should be resting or in the hospital, forcing them on the stage is a terrible practice. Idols should be allowed to listen to their own bodies and companies should keep that in mind. If they force an idol to go until their body breaks down, there is no money to be made when the idol actually can't do anything anymore.
@@chaeyoungswifey4153 during their second album don't don was the lead single. He has a lot of.. i wanna say heavy metal type screams throughout the song. During one live after they ending he started throwing up blood. The video js on youtube
Ugh I hate when ppl praise idols for keeping health conditions secret to "not burden others" like it's not a good thing, they are just gonna end up hurting themselves more in the long run and eventually cause more problems for everyone
Idols are really treated like slaves if they have to perform under such conditions. There really should be a union for them cause they have rights too. That’s not to mention the amount of times idols are injured while on stage, especially in harsh weather conditions
@@swirlybun9616 Not as bad as the examples in the video, but recently StayC members performed after their covid vaccination. Some Itzy members have knee problems but their choreography demands them to drop down to their knees and they usually dont wear knee pads. I think now there's better awareness and companies do not do this as much but it still does happen. Sometimes if they are small injuries the companies may not let the public know. Who knows what actually happens behind the scenes.
That's why I learned to appreciate companies that try to prioritize idols' health, like kq. After jongho was injured in a public transport accident, they made him sit during the performances for half a year, despite him begging the staff to let him dance. They allowed Mingi, back then a bearly debuted idol to take two separate, months long hiatuses for medical and mental health reasons. Even if an Idol gets injured just before a performance, they don't try to convince him to still perform. Songhwa got a minor injury two days before kcon and they still made him skip the performance. Many times we hear members say how kq staff is pushing them to rest, and take breaks from performing while injured, often against the members protests. I think the only instance when a member performed against the doctors and company advise was San just after he had COVID, he shared that the company wanted him to rest a bit longer after his self-isolation but he really wanted to perform and convinced them he was fine.
Two incidents came to my mind immediately. Right before “Rising Sun” promotions, Jaejoong injured his leg. He had a cast and needed crutches to get around. I remember the group talking about the members helping him to wrap the cast so he could take showers. He wasn’t included in the choreography for the music video, but there were some shows where he was required to participate. The other one is Moon Heejun. He had a leg/foot injury during “We Are the Future” promotions, but still fully participated in the intense choreography. Kangta wrote about it in H.O.T’s autobiography and said that Heejun would cry after every performance because he was in so much pain. He was famous for his dancing even pre-debut, so I think he was probably under a lot of pressure to do it instead of let Jaewon or Woohyuk take over. He had the most injuries in the group because he either took the most risks or had an accident.
Some crappy company: "I heard you got hit by a car, so I brought you a gift" *hands concert schedule* Seriously scummy stuff that it's no wonder they get clowned by fans
It may sound "cool" or "professional" or even "badass" to some people who hear about idols who perform with an injury, but I would actually feel worried for them, because there is a chance performing could aggravate the injury. Idols shouldn't have to push themselves too hard.
Not k-pop, but Broadway Samantha Pauly performing in SIX with broken ribs was the first thing that come to my mind. I had broken ribs and talking was hard, I cannot imagine singing!
The moment i saw the title, i suddenly remembered when Chanyeol got down from the stageーlooking sick and puked (handled by the staff by the way). The pain of these idols have to endure is insane.
U mistaken it their workplace management, give them very limit time to recovery and also long hour training very little bonus and day off, so how rest well
Unfortunately many are in very strict contracts that don’t afford them that choice. There are also severe repercussions to violating one’s contract in the K-Pop Industry. It’s very RARE an idols management will allow them to go on Hiatus and recover, especially if they’re an in demand popular group.
@@AnonyMous-lh3cm agree, treat them like rag doll likely, and also make them take extreme nurture diet that make them slim and fit, in reality they still hungry for more
It is not professionalism when the idols are injured/sick during performances. Professionalism, *imo* , is when the idols keep performing without being affected by doing the wrong step of the choreo/ wardrobe malfunction/ mic pack falling from their pockets and find a temporary but immediate solution. Abuse is when you neglect the idols health and let them suffer from their injuries during a performance, not giving them a proper rest to recover.
True when they handle wardrobe malfunctions and doing a step in the choreography wrong and no one notices unless they keep watching multiple times is professionalism but performing sick or injured is abuse and even if the artist wants to perform during the recovering process the manager should stop them and tell them to get rest
I don't think its bad for idols to be on stage and singing while sitting down on stage? At least they're able to rest without having to injure themselves more if its something like broken bones or fractures to limbs. I think its too much to have someone perform with the neck brace or head injury. If they don't want to perform and just rest, I understand that and that should be okay too!
Like Jongho ATEEZ during some answer stages he injured his leg so he was sitting down while singing as the others were singing and dancing I think that their manager suggested Jongho can still perform while sitting so as to not make the injury worse
I agree, for injuries like a broken arm or leg, singing won’t slow the recovery or make the injury worse so I think it’s ok for them to sing while sitting down. For some idols they might want to be back on stage and don’t want to have to sit of stage waiting to recover. Having an injury can be tiring though so I think for some idols it’s important for them to rest during this time.
After a few months I would consider that ok. But after a week or even a month after surgery? No. Even getting dressed and having hair makeup+done in the morning waiting hours to perform is tiring. They should rest well even if they can just sit there and sing,
It's not just company but some disgusting fans that also make it hard for them to rest. I have seen how JENNIE FROM Blackpink is treated, JEONGYEON FROM Twice, MINA FROM Twice.
@@andredrw289 he got the injury as the result of a car accident in 2006, but he will likely never be recovered enough to dance onstage with the other members
@@andredrw289 yes he did and he was in a wheelchair for a while I believe. This was a separate accident from the one that nearly killed Kyuhyun (that happened in 2007 and Heechul wasn’t involved)
some idols performing while they are sick too , i still remember Seolhyun from Aoa , she was sick and almost throw up on stage , at the end she was brought off stage by Mina and Chanmi
When I first read the title it reminded me of Momoland. Recently poor Nancy fell and slipped so she performed while sitting but she only stood when they talked a bit
During Aya promotions Moonbyul hurt her arm and went on stage with a sling for many performances, as Mamamoo not only had music shows but also award shows and online concerts. At the same time Hwasa was promoting with Refund Sisters, which included recording Hangout With Yoo episodes, rehearsing choreo & vocals for three songs, AND simultaneously shooting the MVs for Don't Touch Me and Dingga. Oh and her grandmother passed away around that time so she had no time for proper bereavement. People were complaining that Hwasa wasn't performing with energy at that time and it's still rage inducing. Additionally, Mamamoo was in a car accident in 2017 and performed BEFORE going to the hospital to be evaluated. 👀 Tbh the members are the type to want to honor all of their commitments, regardless of personal cost, and their company has taken full advantage of that. I'm not against idols wanting to be there for their colleagues and fans but if you're visibly suffering then it's gonna kill the vibe regardless.
Actually, a lot of idol instances come up, in the movie for Bigbang: MADE G-Dragon coming backstage nearly fainting backstage obviously physically exhausted and still had to go back on stage to perform, BTS on the countless concert clips I see them having oxygen tanks backstage so as to be able to continue the concert, iKON taking oxygen tanks on stage for their concert performances. I do believe it's commendable that they're willing to go past exhaustion for their fans but still the whole system of them not being able to rest enough or constantly having to push past these physical issues cant be healthy, and we don't even comprehend the emotional issues that they do go through.
In 2015, EXO'luXion tour had a show in Chengdu, China. It was an outdoor concert and the temperature could've reached almost heat wave levels (people say it was very very hot). EXO tried to power through but they all looked absolutely miserable. Baekhyun in particular looked dangerously close to fainting various times in a few performances, and Kai, Sehun, and Chanyeol were also pretty evidently exhausted to the point that their stage presence was very hindered. Here's a link that focuses on Baekhyun, and you can see moments of other members: th-cam.com/video/k_rghCYGVnU/w-d-xo.html
I don't really understand why would a company tortured thier idols like this. 🤦🏻♀️ majority of idols choose to be idols due to their personal Passion all you just need to do is support them and they will willing work for a longer years with much stable relationship you can earn money and they can do what they like And there are many examples that this works only if companies stop running for short term benefits. Really being idols is really scary and tough
For me the 2017 dream concert comes to mind. It’s something I don’t see much talk about. It was an open stage and raining a lot. There is even a viral video of all the idols slipping and it’s a lot. I don’t understand why they kept it going and they can count there blessings nothing serious happened tho you can see many idols really hurting after their fall and even falling many times. This is so irresponsible
It happened again, idk if its the same festival or not, but 2021, nct127 and a lot of other idols performed in a arena without audience while a heavy rain pouring out, and they fell a lot. I think it was september or october.
Well it's basically a job risk as a dancer/singer/performer in general. However, putting them on stage when they're sick SICK is a big no. Making them sit on stage (caused by physical injuries) is the best way to get a win-win imo (ofc if their condition is good enough to go and the idol agrees) bc they need to be professional. But, if they're too exhausted and sick, also if the doctor recommends to take a break, then they should rest and not perform at all
If the idol is completely sick then the manager should let them stay at home but if they are injured and they are almost done recovering, it is better to let them perform while sitting down
you could go on all day about infinite and all their injuries that some actually led to permanent injuries and damage to them. woolim kept pushing them so hard..
Nah because Jennie, literally the second most popular idol was injured since 2016 and her situation got worse in 2018 yet the company still pushed her and she was always wearing high heels to match Rosé and Lisa height and the only thing fans could thing ofis her being lazy and the company didn't even defended her or explained the situation
I've seen so many examples of this. Jeongwha from EXID performed with her hair covering her face due to dental surgery, she got to the stage instead of having a recovery (during their every night era). Later on, Solji needed to rest due to health issues and she could take time off only because EXID was already a world-wide success and she was the main vocalist. Also idols spotted on airports with bandages, once I saw EXO's Kai on a wheelchair, F(x) Krystal fainting on stage, Hyuna also fainting on stage, AOA's Yuna singing from a chair, SNSD's Tiffany singing through her vocal nodules, the list is endless.
I like to say that Krystal is anemic so I'm not surprised but at the same time I cringe when she faints because I feel concerned and scared that she won't wake up from fainting but I thought SM should've had her wear sleeveless shirts and shorts when performing maybe she would not have so many videos of her passing out
I always remember ts entertainment dragging BAP daehyun from his hospital bed to perform when people talk about this topic. Just check him performing mirotic opera version, it's obvious he's about to black out, he even closes his eyes and drops his head around 1.30 th-cam.com/video/DcjldiYlcQE/w-d-xo.html (he's the dark haired guy at the left end) I watched many performances but this one was the most terrifying one for me
the thing is, idols are trained to be such workaholics that it kills them inside injuring themselves and not being able to join. in this case, they should have to be forced to rest, as hard as it seems. i would also recommend a therapist in general for any idol but i would be speaking into an empty void here
It ruins any performance seeing a member or some members performing in PURE AGONY, for example with that medical stuff that protects hurt parts of your body or when the company forces the idol to sing while seating when they could be taking a medical break, or when you notice the entire group exhausted, almost passing out. Like It simply goes against SECURITY OF WORKING CONDITIONS LAWS. Nobody should perform with terrible physical or mental health state because it should be a right even to idols and celebrities to rest or take a license to treat it. When I first got to know kpop, I saw tons of videos about all possible groups and soloists performing while nauseous, with injuries, after a huge fall while dancing, etc, and I wondered where are the lawyers? Where is the laws for IDOLS??? I am still get this feeling. Simply I am always on favour when a idol takes hiatus. Recently it was Jeongyeon, I am glad she says to be way better than she was while in pain in Alchol free promotions.
I remembered Sunmi's Siren performance in 2018 where she's obviously not fine and fighting for her life just to perform. It was reported that she was rushed to the hospital after that performance.
I recall in 2011, SNSD’s Sooyoung was in a car accident shortly before The Boys was released. Fortunately, she was good to perform with their first stage.
Just like in sports there is a difference between pain and injuries. Some pain can be managed but the distinction of whether an athlete should play or not is if there is a chance that playing can make the pain/injury worse.
I think that as long as the injury won't be worsened by a singing performance then it's okay (if the idols are willing of course, because injuries can take a lot out of you in a lot of ways) for them to be sitting or have strategic standing-still choreo. In fact, kpop is such a big and profitable industry that it makes sense to have people make some just-in-case plans beforehand, so that idols can still perform without injuring themselves further. That way, the fans get what they want and the idols aren't putting their health at risk, and the companies are both protecting a long-term investment and getting some sweet sweet good pr.
I know a lot of people have mixed feelings on it, but I am glad that JYPE seems to allow its idols to actually rest when they are unwell in some way. Idols in JYPE have been going on hiatuses for health issues (including mental health) since at least second gen iirc, a lot of people criticise JYPE for this, but I don't think it means they have higher incidence of illness. I think mental illness is just as prevalent under other agencies, but their idols don't get the choice to take a hiatus. We need to give companies the message that allowing their idols to take breaks is good, and what we want, rather than criticising them for it
I forget exactly which idol said it but they said that when they were in and out of the hospital, their management would literally come in and pull the iv out of their arm and tell them to keep going and if that doesn’t blatantly give you the answer to whether it’s professionalism or abuse then idk what will.
Monsta X Kihyun in 2019. Their We Are Here tour idk if it was in the Staples center? He fractured his rib closest to his heart but still insisted on singing and dancing on the stage despite staff, the other members and fans telling him to sit down. During the ending ment he said that he took very strong painkillers because he didn't want to miss out on the opportunity to perform on a stage he wanted to perform in since he was young.
Heechul is the first idol that pops in my mind when talking about performing through injuries. He went through coughing up blood after screaming in Dont don and then the constant pain he STILL deals with after sm made him dance after his accident
I remember AB6IX Park Woojin suffered an injury on his right knee while performing at the Vlive VHeartbeat Awards. The other members are not aware of what happen, he was unable to join since after his solo stage is their group performance. Woojin underwent physical examination and surgery. Thank God he's ok now..
Like, I knew the extent of exploitation in KPOP but I NEVER imagined to see idols with crutches or neck braces on stage!!!!! Phew, the sh¡¡¡t 1st & 2nd generation had to deal with!!! 3rd & 4th stans would break the internet for such a scene! In a sense I'm glad that gradually companies are being held accountable for their treatment & things are changing for the "better"... But on the other hand I'm like "How the Fuhhck they got away with it in the 1st place & for so long?!?!?" I'm so glad you mentioned mostly those 1st & 2nd gen groups. Also I'm greatly pleased that you opened the conversation towards how companies nowadays take their violations towards the welfare of their idols.. commodify it.. glamorize it.. package it.. sell it to gullible fans who fetishize this shiyt. On top of the list is *HYBE* labels & the way they curate "behind the scenes" shows & documentaries to purposely sell footages of their idols collapsing, grinding in performances while sick & injured and frame it as admirable & praise worthy "professionalism" "dedication" & *LOVE* for fans. Romanticizing the struggle & the inhumane working conditions. In return, fans should pay back this painful "gratitude" with equally distressing LOYALTY in form of investing more of their time & money into the group ... Psychological manipulation & neuro-marketing at its finest! 👌✨ Then they show their idols "relaxing" in a supposedly "work free" environment where they become videotaped & heavily scrutinized for content!!! Shows like this are actually really good at deceiving the impressionable young fans.. it's really scary, especially since viewers are convinced these are real unfiltered portrayal when it's just as scripted and manipulated like any other fiction tv show. It's becoming a harmful trend & it shows how a hyper-capitalist profit-driven industry will do anything to maximize their gain while WOKE-washing their image in the process!
g dragon man, he fainted on stage while promoting crayon, OOAK tour where he fainted and broke his ankle, which is now a chronic issue. MOTTE was a disaster with how clearly over worked he was. He's been so abused by YG that he thinks he still owes them by staying with them.
Many od them are manipulated, I think that's the issue with GD. He was young when he got into YG and he renewed the contract even after all that shit just because they manipulated him since his young age.
hearing b.a.p's stories always makes me so sad because i've been a very big fan for a long time. i admire the members for their strength over the years
Leo from VIXX was suffering from intestinal bleeding during the performance of the song "Whisper" with Ravi as their subunit VIXX-LR on KBS music bank he was sitting on a chair the entire time while Ravi and the backup dancers handled everything that's true professionalism
Knowing how Tao broke his leg and SM said nope and made him dance on the leg// if you see in the chinese mv call me baby in the white scene he is much less moving around for obvious reason. If it wasn't for Papa Huang, he most likely would have continued on it (Rest in peace Papa Huang 😭)
jennie wasn't lucky with her untreated injury with her ankle, something that was supposed to be short term injury probably ended up being long term for her. esp when she was probably taking pain killers at some point until HYLT where she had a cast on. (downside of the type of medication for pain: it sometimes comes with drowsiness as a side effect)
The types of situations in the video don't just happen to idols, it is what happens in all fields of performance entertainment everywhere. While I do not agree with the mistreatment of anyone or pushing people past their limits against their will, I fully believe in "the show must go on". If the injury is not that bad or you are not that sick... you perform anyway. This all depends on the situation and the individual person of course. The idols sitting in the chairs, that is absolutely what they should have done. The ones performing with minor injuries... that is ok too as long as they are only minor and they made that decision not the company.
Okay, but how is a performer going to evaluate whether an injury or illness is "that bad" or not, especially when a lot of them are happening during performances? They might push through the pain only to see a doctor later and realize that it's actually quite a bit worse than they thought- and then they layered that damage by not addressing it immediately. A "mild" illness can get worse if you don't rest and you're stressing your body out by performing for hours at a time. Performers are not qualified to make those decisions on the spot and these companies have a vested interest in convincing them to do exactly that whether it's in their best interest or not.
@@catherinekutemeier7654 I mean, if medical proffessionals say that an injury needs 1 month rest to fully heal, I think they are more qualified. You might feel better at 2 weeks already, but it could still be internally healing and performing would hinder that.
@@romyjane17 it depends on the situation as I said. If a medical professional is telling you to do something, you should probably listen. I was told by a doctor to never dance again, ever. I was back at it 4 months later because that's all I wanted to do and my dream. Sometimes it's more about listening to yourself and it's ultimately your decision.
I appreciate this video, but I’m surprised that Twice wasn’t in here, at least 3 members have gotten just a chair and Momo did the whole Fancy MV with a broken toe in heels. Jihyo was in a mini car and learned her choreography on site during Signal after getting knee surgery. It’s not pressure from the company but from fans instead. Members fainting or full on panicking as soon as they get off stage. I’m sure there’s soooo much more as well. GWSN also has the whole weird Soso thing going on. That girl is clearly not fully recovered... she’s been out for the same thing 3-4 times.
bruh reminds me of when t1419’s kevin was performing while wearing a whole arm cast + sling 😭. at first he would just dance with his arm behind his back the whole time and then the company was like, “yeah. he want’s to perform until promotions are over.” like … wth. he couldn’t even move his arm yet he was still dancing?? wth
I would like to give a slightly different perspective to this. I’ll preface by saying I’m not in the entertainment industry but have done local community theater on and off since I was a kid, and minored in Shakespeare studies (which included performance) in undergrad. For one, most of us, if faced with the prospect of not going on stage when feeling under the weather or injured WILL fight to go on anyway. We’ve spent so much time dedicated to the craft that the thought of not being able to go on stage and perform is honestly the worst thing. But also, performances (or at least theater) are a team effort. If one goes down we all go down because each person is integral. Sometimes you DO need to just buck up and smile and keep going. I’ve gone onstage feeling like absolute crap but I did it anyway cuz that was my job, and because the thought of letting my team down wasn’t an option. As well as the desire to show people my work because again that’s my work, I enjoy doing it, I WILL do it come hell or high water. That being said I don’t think idols should be forced to do full performances if they are injured, that’s dumb. But having them sing off to the side I don’t see as a problem. For one, most of them if not all of them chose to be idols, and just like in any job there is risk of injury. Does that mean companies shouldn’t be attentive to their idol’s needs? Of course not. As employers it’s their job to make sure the idols are healthy and safe in their jobs. But things happen and when you’re a performer you do sometimes need to just suck it up and go on stage. At least with singing you can get away with having someone sit to the side and perform. Imagine if you went to a production of Hamlet, the actor had an injury, and they just had him sit the entire play. It would ruin the entire thing. Singing is different. Of course that doesn’t mean that every idol who performs with injuries WANTS to. I’m sure some if not many of them would rather not and are forced to and that’s wrong. Again, singing is different than acting you can get away with sitting someone off to the side to sing, but you can ALSO get away with not having them at all. I just think we need to be careful about how we approach this kind of topic.
JYPE let junho perform in a wheelchair after fracturing his spine. someone had to come onstage to give him shots to help with the pain. it's disgusting.
I absolutely hate seeing comments where people praise idols pushing through their injuries and calling them "professionals" for being in pain, damaging their health and well-being because "the show must go on". They are being treated like robots by their companies and the fans just love the "strong and dedicated" image, as if the idols weren't even human beings at all. It's disgusting.
Not to mention, performing could aggravate the injury and make their condition worse.
yes i hate the fact people call it professionalism. It’s not professionalism they are literally being pressured into performing under conditions that prevent them from being able to jobs to the best of their abilities.
Your comment kind of reminds me of some social media posts, which praises people making makeshift medical equipment because their health insurance doesn't provide.
For examples an leg injuries take few months to cure but in idol industry rest for them is impossible and they been push to limit man good example is like k-pop fuse m_pop exo can, t rmb the star name he got injured and his dp dun care his or whole group condition
Also all these for huge pay contract of i believe each member 1.5 - 2 millions wons pre months or year also it take like drain life just get those payments
I wonder how these untreated, neglected or badly treated injuries will manifest once they're older. In about 5-10 years we're gonna hear a lot of stories from former idols about decade old injuries they still have to treat
aging isn't going to be fun for untreated injuries O_O
there are actually, one member from infinite injured himself on a football game for ISAC and he still have to treat that probably for the rest of his life
Even if the idol “chose” to go on even though they had an injury or illness, it’s still a negative reflection of the culture they’re living under. They “chose” to go on because they knew that saying “I can’t, I need to rest” would lead to negative feedback or even punishment from their managers or, God forbid, other members. There is no company that would praise an idol for taking the time they need!
Sometimes, in theatre, "the show must go on" includes an understudy taking over a role mid-show and even altering choreography. Everyone should have the ability to listen to their own body. If sitting on a chair and singing or rapping is okay for the performer, than they can do that; but if they should be resting or in the hospital, forcing them on the stage is a terrible practice. Idols should be allowed to listen to their own bodies and companies should keep that in mind. If they force an idol to go until their body breaks down, there is no money to be made when the idol actually can't do anything anymore.
Heechul spitting up blood on stage after having to scream his part during Don't Don era so often comes to mind for me.
Wait WHZT?!
This is horrifying 😔
@@chaeyoungswifey4153 during their second album don't don was the lead single. He has a lot of.. i wanna say heavy metal type screams throughout the song. During one live after they ending he started throwing up blood. The video js on youtube
@@Koko24250 oh my goodness, what the hell is wrong with our world to allow this??
@@Koko24250 yeah I saw the vid,,, horrible shit if you ask me
Ugh I hate when ppl praise idols for keeping health conditions secret to "not burden others" like it's not a good thing, they are just gonna end up hurting themselves more in the long run and eventually cause more problems for everyone
Idols are really treated like slaves if they have to perform under such conditions. There really should be a union for them cause they have rights too. That’s not to mention the amount of times idols are injured while on stage, especially in harsh weather conditions
I don’t see this happening often now, as you can see these groups are 2nd gen.
@@swirlybun9616 I don’t either but it’s not out of the realm of thinking
@@swirlybun9616 Not as bad as the examples in the video, but recently StayC members performed after their covid vaccination. Some Itzy members have knee problems but their choreography demands them to drop down to their knees and they usually dont wear knee pads. I think now there's better awareness and companies do not do this as much but it still does happen. Sometimes if they are small injuries the companies may not let the public know. Who knows what actually happens behind the scenes.
Yes, I very much look forward to the day idols and trainees unionize.
100% agree! Unions and protests would be such an amazing thing to see in the k-pop industry
That's why I learned to appreciate companies that try to prioritize idols' health, like kq.
After jongho was injured in a public transport accident, they made him sit during the performances for half a year, despite him begging the staff to let him dance.
They allowed Mingi, back then a bearly debuted idol to take two separate, months long hiatuses for medical and mental health reasons.
Even if an Idol gets injured just before a performance, they don't try to convince him to still perform. Songhwa got a minor injury two days before kcon and they still made him skip the performance.
Many times we hear members say how kq staff is pushing them to rest, and take breaks from performing while injured, often against the members protests.
I think the only instance when a member performed against the doctors and company advise was San just after he had COVID, he shared that the company wanted him to rest a bit longer after his self-isolation but he really wanted to perform and convinced them he was fine.
Two incidents came to my mind immediately.
Right before “Rising Sun” promotions, Jaejoong injured his leg. He had a cast and needed crutches to get around. I remember the group talking about the members helping him to wrap the cast so he could take showers. He wasn’t included in the choreography for the music video, but there were some shows where he was required to participate.
The other one is Moon Heejun. He had a leg/foot injury during “We Are the Future” promotions, but still fully participated in the intense choreography. Kangta wrote about it in H.O.T’s autobiography and said that Heejun would cry after every performance because he was in so much pain. He was famous for his dancing even pre-debut, so I think he was probably under a lot of pressure to do it instead of let Jaewon or Woohyuk take over. He had the most injuries in the group because he either took the most risks or had an accident.
Some crappy company: "I heard you got hit by a car, so I brought you a gift" *hands concert schedule*
Seriously scummy stuff that it's no wonder they get clowned by fans
It may sound "cool" or "professional" or even "badass" to some people who hear about idols who perform with an injury, but I would actually feel worried for them, because there is a chance performing could aggravate the injury. Idols shouldn't have to push themselves too hard.
Not k-pop, but Broadway Samantha Pauly performing in SIX with broken ribs was the first thing that come to my mind. I had broken ribs and talking was hard, I cannot imagine singing!
RIBS? holy shit :(
The moment i saw the title, i suddenly remembered when Chanyeol got down from the stageーlooking sick and puked (handled by the staff by the way). The pain of these idols have to endure is insane.
Fascinating informative video these K-pop Idols should have taken care of their Health and injuries first priority
U mistaken it their workplace management, give them very limit time to recovery and also long hour training very little bonus and day off, so how rest well
Unfortunately many are in very strict contracts that don’t afford them that choice. There are also severe repercussions to violating one’s contract in the K-Pop Industry. It’s very RARE an idols management will allow them to go on Hiatus and recover, especially if they’re an in demand popular group.
@@AnonyMous-lh3cm agree, treat them like rag doll likely, and also make them take extreme nurture diet that make them slim and fit, in reality they still hungry for more
It is not professionalism when the idols are injured/sick during performances. Professionalism, *imo* , is when the idols keep performing without being affected by doing the wrong step of the choreo/ wardrobe malfunction/ mic pack falling from their pockets and find a temporary but immediate solution.
Abuse is when you neglect the idols health and let them suffer from their injuries during a performance, not giving them a proper rest to recover.
True when they handle wardrobe malfunctions and doing a step in the choreography wrong and no one notices unless they keep watching multiple times is professionalism but performing sick or injured is abuse and even if the artist wants to perform during the recovering process the manager should stop them and tell them to get rest
I don't think its bad for idols to be on stage and singing while sitting down on stage? At least they're able to rest without having to injure themselves more if its something like broken bones or fractures to limbs. I think its too much to have someone perform with the neck brace or head injury. If they don't want to perform and just rest, I understand that and that should be okay too!
Like Jongho ATEEZ during some answer stages he injured his leg so he was sitting down while singing as the others were singing and dancing I think that their manager suggested Jongho can still perform while sitting so as to not make the injury worse
I agree, for injuries like a broken arm or leg, singing won’t slow the recovery or make the injury worse so I think it’s ok for them to sing while sitting down. For some idols they might want to be back on stage and don’t want to have to sit of stage waiting to recover. Having an injury can be tiring though so I think for some idols it’s important for them to rest during this time.
I dont like seeing that as a fan. Only mid concert is that ok for me
Have you had to perform while in incredible pain from a broken bone? Have some empathy.
After a few months I would consider that ok. But after a week or even a month after surgery? No.
Even getting dressed and having hair makeup+done in the morning waiting hours to perform is tiring. They should rest well even if they can just sit there and sing,
It's not just company but some disgusting fans that also make it hard for them to rest.
I have seen how JENNIE FROM Blackpink is treated, JEONGYEON FROM Twice, MINA FROM Twice.
I as a fan would rather choose for them to take enough time to completely recover than see them performing in pain
B.A.P’s situation always breaks my heart. I miss them so much and feel bad that they had to suffer.
I just want the entertainment pascal, mbk, ts and the rest of the trashy kpop companies to cease out of existence yes pls
The Entertainment Pascal, if I'm not wrong, concluded their activities last year (financial issues, i think bankrupt)
@@mademoisellegala we should dance on top of the graveyards of those kinds of companies.
This really reminds me of SuJu Heechul and his whole issue with his leg.
Yeah :( that will be a separate video im working on
He’s had that injury for a while now. I hope he’s recovered enough
@@andredrw289 he got the injury as the result of a car accident in 2006, but he will likely never be recovered enough to dance onstage with the other members
@@Awakening_Sunshine how severe was it? I know he’s got rods in his legs
@@andredrw289 yes he did and he was in a wheelchair for a while I believe. This was a separate accident from the one that nearly killed Kyuhyun (that happened in 2007 and Heechul wasn’t involved)
some idols performing while they are sick too , i still remember Seolhyun from Aoa , she was sick and almost throw up on stage , at the end she was brought off stage by Mina and Chanmi
When I first read the title it reminded me of Momoland. Recently poor Nancy fell and slipped so she performed while sitting but she only stood when they talked a bit
It reminded me of a Sha Sha member that fainted on stage
I just heard about this yesterday :(
@@MidnightTheories 😢
@@MidnightTheories yeah she looked kinda bored but smiled due to there being an audience I guess
During Aya promotions Moonbyul hurt her arm and went on stage with a sling for many performances, as Mamamoo not only had music shows but also award shows and online concerts. At the same time Hwasa was promoting with Refund Sisters, which included recording Hangout With Yoo episodes, rehearsing choreo & vocals for three songs, AND simultaneously shooting the MVs for Don't Touch Me and Dingga. Oh and her grandmother passed away around that time so she had no time for proper bereavement. People were complaining that Hwasa wasn't performing with energy at that time and it's still rage inducing.
Additionally, Mamamoo was in a car accident in 2017 and performed BEFORE going to the hospital to be evaluated. 👀 Tbh the members are the type to want to honor all of their commitments, regardless of personal cost, and their company has taken full advantage of that. I'm not against idols wanting to be there for their colleagues and fans but if you're visibly suffering then it's gonna kill the vibe regardless.
Actually, a lot of idol instances come up, in the movie for Bigbang: MADE G-Dragon coming backstage nearly fainting backstage obviously physically exhausted and still had to go back on stage to perform, BTS on the countless concert clips I see them having oxygen tanks backstage so as to be able to continue the concert, iKON taking oxygen tanks on stage for their concert performances. I do believe it's commendable that they're willing to go past exhaustion for their fans but still the whole system of them not being able to rest enough or constantly having to push past these physical issues cant be healthy, and we don't even comprehend the emotional issues that they do go through.
In 2015, EXO'luXion tour had a show in Chengdu, China. It was an outdoor concert and the temperature could've reached almost heat wave levels (people say it was very very hot). EXO tried to power through but they all looked absolutely miserable. Baekhyun in particular looked dangerously close to fainting various times in a few performances, and Kai, Sehun, and Chanyeol were also pretty evidently exhausted to the point that their stage presence was very hindered. Here's a link that focuses on Baekhyun, and you can see moments of other members: th-cam.com/video/k_rghCYGVnU/w-d-xo.html
I don't really understand why would a company tortured thier idols like this. 🤦🏻♀️
majority of idols choose to be idols due to their personal Passion all you just need to do is support them and they will willing work for a longer years with much stable relationship you can earn money and they can do what they like
And there are many examples that this works only if companies stop running for short term benefits.
Really being idols is really scary and tough
For me the 2017 dream concert comes to mind. It’s something I don’t see much talk about. It was an open stage and raining a lot. There is even a viral video of all the idols slipping and it’s a lot. I don’t understand why they kept it going and they can count there blessings nothing serious happened tho you can see many idols really hurting after their fall and even falling many times. This is so irresponsible
It happened again, idk if its the same festival or not, but 2021, nct127 and a lot of other idols performed in a arena without audience while a heavy rain pouring out, and they fell a lot. I think it was september or october.
Well it's basically a job risk as a dancer/singer/performer in general. However, putting them on stage when they're sick SICK is a big no. Making them sit on stage (caused by physical injuries) is the best way to get a win-win imo (ofc if their condition is good enough to go and the idol agrees) bc they need to be professional. But, if they're too exhausted and sick, also if the doctor recommends to take a break, then they should rest and not perform at all
If the idol is completely sick then the manager should let them stay at home but if they are injured and they are almost done recovering, it is better to let them perform while sitting down
you could go on all day about infinite and all their injuries that some actually led to permanent injuries and damage to them. woolim kept pushing them so hard..
Nah because Jennie, literally the second most popular idol was injured since 2016 and her situation got worse in 2018 yet the company still pushed her and she was always wearing high heels to match Rosé and Lisa height and the only thing fans could thing ofis her being lazy and the company didn't even defended her or explained the situation
I've seen so many examples of this. Jeongwha from EXID performed with her hair covering her face due to dental surgery, she got to the stage instead of having a recovery (during their every night era). Later on, Solji needed to rest due to health issues and she could take time off only because EXID was already a world-wide success and she was the main vocalist. Also idols spotted on airports with bandages, once I saw EXO's Kai on a wheelchair, F(x) Krystal fainting on stage, Hyuna also fainting on stage, AOA's Yuna singing from a chair, SNSD's Tiffany singing through her vocal nodules, the list is endless.
I like to say that Krystal is anemic so I'm not surprised but at the same time I cringe when she faints because I feel concerned and scared that she won't wake up from fainting but I thought SM should've had her wear sleeveless shirts and shorts when performing maybe she would not have so many videos of her passing out
@@PrincessWrestling Indeed, they didn't took proper care of her
I personally think there's a thin line between professionalism and exploitation...maybe
I always remember ts entertainment dragging BAP daehyun from his hospital bed to perform when people talk about this topic. Just check him performing mirotic opera version, it's obvious he's about to black out, he even closes his eyes and drops his head around 1.30
th-cam.com/video/DcjldiYlcQE/w-d-xo.html (he's the dark haired guy at the left end)
I watched many performances but this one was the most terrifying one for me
the thing is, idols are trained to be such workaholics that it kills them inside injuring themselves and not being able to join. in this case, they should have to be forced to rest, as hard as it seems. i would also recommend a therapist in general for any idol but i would be speaking into an empty void here
After what happen to Youngtaek, Wendy, Jongho, etc, I'll never call anyone who has injury/injuries "professionalism" ever again.
Gfriend tumbling down on stage on that one me gustas tu performance
It ruins any performance seeing a member or some members performing in PURE AGONY, for example with that medical stuff that protects hurt parts of your body or when the company forces the idol to sing while seating when they could be taking a medical break, or when you notice the entire group exhausted, almost passing out.
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It simply goes against SECURITY OF WORKING CONDITIONS LAWS. Nobody should perform with terrible physical or mental health state because it should be a right even to idols and celebrities to rest or take a license to treat it.
When I first got to know kpop, I saw tons of videos about all possible groups and soloists performing while nauseous, with injuries, after a huge fall while dancing, etc, and I wondered where are the lawyers? Where is the laws for IDOLS??? I am still get this feeling.
Simply I am always on favour when a idol takes hiatus. Recently it was Jeongyeon, I am glad she says to be way better than she was while in pain in Alchol free promotions.
I remembered Sunmi's Siren performance in 2018 where she's obviously not fine and fighting for her life just to perform. It was reported that she was rushed to the hospital after that performance.
wait what happened??
@@cant-explain th-cam.com/video/hpehlmeFWqg/w-d-xo.html
She was just not feeling well during that time. Maybe she had fever.
I recall in 2011, SNSD’s Sooyoung was in a car accident shortly before The Boys was released. Fortunately, she was good to perform with their first stage.
AOA Yuna hurt her ankle During the Excuse me era but she refused to be sidelined and just sat to the side and sang
She did the right thing not to make the short term injury a long term one
Just like in sports there is a difference between pain and injuries. Some pain can be managed but the distinction of whether an athlete should play or not is if there is a chance that playing can make the pain/injury worse.
I think that as long as the injury won't be worsened by a singing performance then it's okay (if the idols are willing of course, because injuries can take a lot out of you in a lot of ways) for them to be sitting or have strategic standing-still choreo. In fact, kpop is such a big and profitable industry that it makes sense to have people make some just-in-case plans beforehand, so that idols can still perform without injuring themselves further. That way, the fans get what they want and the idols aren't putting their health at risk, and the companies are both protecting a long-term investment and getting some sweet sweet good pr.
I know a lot of people have mixed feelings on it, but I am glad that JYPE seems to allow its idols to actually rest when they are unwell in some way. Idols in JYPE have been going on hiatuses for health issues (including mental health) since at least second gen iirc, a lot of people criticise JYPE for this, but I don't think it means they have higher incidence of illness. I think mental illness is just as prevalent under other agencies, but their idols don't get the choice to take a hiatus.
We need to give companies the message that allowing their idols to take breaks is good, and what we want, rather than criticising them for it
I forget exactly which idol said it but they said that when they were in and out of the hospital, their management would literally come in and pull the iv out of their arm and tell them to keep going and if that doesn’t blatantly give you the answer to whether it’s professionalism or abuse then idk what will.
Monsta X Kihyun in 2019. Their We Are Here tour idk if it was in the Staples center? He fractured his rib closest to his heart but still insisted on singing and dancing on the stage despite staff, the other members and fans telling him to sit down. During the ending ment he said that he took very strong painkillers because he didn't want to miss out on the opportunity to perform on a stage he wanted to perform in since he was young.
Heechul is the first idol that pops in my mind when talking about performing through injuries. He went through coughing up blood after screaming in Dont don and then the constant pain he STILL deals with after sm made him dance after his accident
This is why occasional lipsyncing should be accepted by fans
I remember AB6IX Park Woojin suffered an injury on his right knee while performing at the Vlive VHeartbeat Awards. The other members are not aware of what happen, he was unable to join since after his solo stage is their group performance. Woojin underwent physical examination and surgery. Thank God he's ok now..
Like, I knew the extent of exploitation in KPOP but I NEVER imagined to see idols with crutches or neck braces on stage!!!!!
Phew, the sh¡¡¡t 1st & 2nd generation had to deal with!!!
3rd & 4th stans would break the internet for such a scene!
In a sense I'm glad that gradually companies are being held accountable for their treatment & things are changing for the "better"...
But on the other hand I'm like "How the Fuhhck they got away with it in the 1st place & for so long?!?!?"
I'm so glad you mentioned mostly those 1st & 2nd gen groups.
Also I'm greatly pleased that you opened the conversation towards how companies nowadays take their violations towards the welfare of their idols.. commodify it.. glamorize it.. package it.. sell it to gullible fans who fetishize this shiyt.
On top of the list is *HYBE* labels & the way they curate "behind the scenes" shows & documentaries to purposely sell footages of their idols collapsing, grinding in performances while sick & injured and frame it as admirable & praise worthy "professionalism" "dedication" & *LOVE* for fans. Romanticizing the struggle & the inhumane working conditions.
In return, fans should pay back this painful "gratitude" with equally distressing LOYALTY in form of investing more of their time & money into the group ...
Psychological manipulation & neuro-marketing at its finest! 👌✨
Then they show their idols "relaxing" in a supposedly "work free" environment where they become videotaped & heavily scrutinized for content!!!
Shows like this are actually really good at deceiving the impressionable young fans.. it's really scary, especially since viewers are convinced these are real unfiltered portrayal when it's just as scripted and manipulated like any other fiction tv show.
It's becoming a harmful trend & it shows how a hyper-capitalist profit-driven industry will do anything to maximize their gain while WOKE-washing their image in the process!
People need to understand the difference between professionalism and abuse. There is a very clear line you just need to look more
g dragon man, he fainted on stage while promoting crayon, OOAK tour where he fainted and broke his ankle, which is now a chronic issue. MOTTE was a disaster with how clearly over worked he was. He's been so abused by YG that he thinks he still owes them by staying with them.
Many od them are manipulated, I think that's the issue with GD. He was young when he got into YG and he renewed the contract even after all that shit just because they manipulated him since his young age.
Bruhhh how do you expect the audience to enjoy seeing their fave idol trying to dance with a whole cast on? ThTs just scary and sad
hearing b.a.p's stories always makes me so sad because i've been a very big fan for a long time. i admire the members for their strength over the years
They made a mv of the RTK lit performance, and seeing seoho being able to do it whilst not injured was so nice, he really likes this song
"i almost died... but i survived"
I want every person who was under The Entertainment Pascal to fucking suffer for what they did to these girls
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Does anyone remember member of F.cuz dancing with a cast on his leg? That was ages ago, I think it was during their debut promotions of Jiggy
Right as I was about rewatch one of your videos.
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Another informative video!
Soyeon had to perform like this while hwayoung can excuse herself from an entire concert, hate how power and money can make you live like a queen
This reminds me of Wendy of Red Velvet.
at least wendy wasn't made to perform. she took over a year off because her injuries were so severe
Makes me think if companies take care of their idols with a pandemic going on.
Most likely not since the pandemic definitely took a huge toll on their stocks/profit
Leo from VIXX was suffering from intestinal bleeding during the performance of the song "Whisper" with Ravi as their subunit VIXX-LR on KBS music bank he was sitting on a chair the entire time while Ravi and the backup dancers handled everything that's true professionalism
Hyeri from Girls' Day performed while suffering from swine flu back in 2014 during the performance of the song "Something" during M Countdown
BAP got SHAFTED. They were such an amazing group and deserved so much better.
f(x) Krystal fainted a couple of times
Knowing how Tao broke his leg and SM said nope and made him dance on the leg// if you see in the chinese mv call me baby in the white scene he is much less moving around for obvious reason. If it wasn't for Papa Huang, he most likely would have continued on it (Rest in peace Papa Huang 😭)
Jonghyun from SHINee performed the song "Lucifer" while sitting on a chair while he also injured his leg
jennie wasn't lucky with her untreated injury with her ankle, something that was supposed to be short term injury probably ended up being long term for her. esp when she was probably taking pain killers at some point until HYLT where she had a cast on. (downside of the type of medication for pain: it sometimes comes with drowsiness as a side effect)
The types of situations in the video don't just happen to idols, it is what happens in all fields of performance entertainment everywhere. While I do not agree with the mistreatment of anyone or pushing people past their limits against their will, I fully believe in "the show must go on". If the injury is not that bad or you are not that sick... you perform anyway. This all depends on the situation and the individual person of course. The idols sitting in the chairs, that is absolutely what they should have done. The ones performing with minor injuries... that is ok too as long as they are only minor and they made that decision not the company.
Okay, but how is a performer going to evaluate whether an injury or illness is "that bad" or not, especially when a lot of them are happening during performances? They might push through the pain only to see a doctor later and realize that it's actually quite a bit worse than they thought- and then they layered that damage by not addressing it immediately. A "mild" illness can get worse if you don't rest and you're stressing your body out by performing for hours at a time. Performers are not qualified to make those decisions on the spot and these companies have a vested interest in convincing them to do exactly that whether it's in their best interest or not.
@@RHBR01 People, especially performers, know their own bodies and their limitations. They are the most qualified to make that decision.
@@catherinekutemeier7654 I mean, if medical proffessionals say that an injury needs 1 month rest to fully heal, I think they are more qualified. You might feel better at 2 weeks already, but it could still be internally healing and performing would hinder that.
@@romyjane17 it depends on the situation as I said. If a medical professional is telling you to do something, you should probably listen. I was told by a doctor to never dance again, ever. I was back at it 4 months later because that's all I wanted to do and my dream. Sometimes it's more about listening to yourself and it's ultimately your decision.
I know im late but AILEE did a whole solo show in a chair and rocked it
The best thing to happen in recent year was TS Entertainment shutting down everyone cheered.
I appreciate this video, but I’m surprised that Twice wasn’t in here, at least 3 members have gotten just a chair and Momo did the whole Fancy MV with a broken toe in heels. Jihyo was in a mini car and learned her choreography on site during Signal after getting knee surgery. It’s not pressure from the company but from fans instead. Members fainting or full on panicking as soon as they get off stage. I’m sure there’s soooo much more as well.
GWSN also has the whole weird Soso thing going on. That girl is clearly not fully recovered... she’s been out for the same thing 3-4 times.
bruh reminds me of when t1419’s kevin was performing while wearing a whole arm cast + sling 😭. at first he would just dance with his arm behind his back the whole time and then the company was like, “yeah. he want’s to perform until promotions are over.” like … wth. he couldn’t even move his arm yet he was still dancing?? wth
Kpop idols take a break from performancing so they can focus on their health
I would like to give a slightly different perspective to this. I’ll preface by saying I’m not in the entertainment industry but have done local community theater on and off since I was a kid, and minored in Shakespeare studies (which included performance) in undergrad.
For one, most of us, if faced with the prospect of not going on stage when feeling under the weather or injured WILL fight to go on anyway. We’ve spent so much time dedicated to the craft that the thought of not being able to go on stage and perform is honestly the worst thing. But also, performances (or at least theater) are a team effort. If one goes down we all go down because each person is integral. Sometimes you DO need to just buck up and smile and keep going. I’ve gone onstage feeling like absolute crap but I did it anyway cuz that was my job, and because the thought of letting my team down wasn’t an option. As well as the desire to show people my work because again that’s my work, I enjoy doing it, I WILL do it come hell or high water.
That being said I don’t think idols should be forced to do full performances if they are injured, that’s dumb. But having them sing off to the side I don’t see as a problem. For one, most of them if not all of them chose to be idols, and just like in any job there is risk of injury. Does that mean companies shouldn’t be attentive to their idol’s needs? Of course not. As employers it’s their job to make sure the idols are healthy and safe in their jobs. But things happen and when you’re a performer you do sometimes need to just suck it up and go on stage. At least with singing you can get away with having someone sit to the side and perform. Imagine if you went to a production of Hamlet, the actor had an injury, and they just had him sit the entire play. It would ruin the entire thing. Singing is different.
Of course that doesn’t mean that every idol who performs with injuries WANTS to. I’m sure some if not many of them would rather not and are forced to and that’s wrong. Again, singing is different than acting you can get away with sitting someone off to the side to sing, but you can ALSO get away with not having them at all. I just think we need to be careful about how we approach this kind of topic.
JYPE let junho perform in a wheelchair after fracturing his spine. someone had to come onstage to give him shots to help with the pain. it's disgusting.
This is sad I can relate to this
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