Shadow of Mordor Is A Classic - Luke Stephens
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Introductions - 0:00
3:36 - Narrative
6:32 - Combat
14:51 - Some problems...
25:39 - Nemesis System
36:18 - In Conclusion
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I would 100% love to see a Shadow of War critique. While it definitely has it's flaws (especially on release) I feel like it's a solid game that improves upon a lot of what Shadow of Mordor was able to do well.
idk man, shadow of war is such a cluster fuck. I got overwhelmed and stopped playing it.
@@yashkaushik6116 That in combination with the muddy graphics, microtransactions and artificial grind make Mordor a way better game.
@@Tom-sd2vi I disagree. I think most of the bad things from release(especially microtransactions) are gone and what remains is a sequel that improves so much on the first game. Just look at the skill system or the nemesis system, where really every ork feels unique. Of course it has it's flaws but in my opinion shadow of war is overall the better game. (But I love both)
@@jaycp6055 I guess it is a matter of personal preference, i dont like the bloated content and grid of war anf like the style and focus of mordor
@@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams Yeah kind of. But the microtransactions are completely removed now and I think it's a worthy sequel
I just remember hyping it to my roommate,
“Remember the Batman games? It’s that but you kill the orcs instead of crippling them!”
Celebrimbor: "They're Uruks". But yah exactly. It's like if Batman games and Assassin's Creed had a really violent baby set in LOTR
And you can't glide
@@rsotuyo8180 you can on shadow of war
Or one of the DLCs at least
@@nomadtealeaf1532 shit
@John I read about that but for me it's strange because, wasn't pandemic making another Batman game about the Dark Knight movie? That failed and never release and then the Batman game rights fell into Rocksteady, so I don't know what to believe
One time I had a shield guy who was arrow proof, stealth proof, and couldn’t be vaulted.... That battle took a long time
Hahaha 👍
if that ever happens to u again use waters of lorien skill and make sure u have a decent amount of focus (u should at level 26 anyway) you'll just dash through the person then u can hit them
You should've attacked the orcs accompanying him to build up your might and use your executions on the captain.
Scitch2781 why would u doubt it? It’s happened to me before, playing the game on brutal difficulty or higher makes stuff like that highly likely (especially around level 40 and above)
I know that pain.
I feel like a nemesis system would work really well in a Court of Owls Batman story. you have to discover and slowly take down the court, the system fits it perfectly in my mind
To be fair, it would work with City and Knight as well
Just make some random NPC less random and they gain power once the defeat you
Maxime Faragalla that’s true, but the Court is already in the structure of a nemesis system or a cult system like in Odyssey. no need to invent a complicated structure that involves Two-Face, Penguin, and Joker’s men together
@@legendofhayden Yeah but for it to work you'll need to remove the part where the enemy gains power because The Court is already established, and if you think about it, the story could make you discover the secrets behind the Court, there is no need for the Nemesis System
Rafael Sotuyo the only thing you would have to remove is the different members of the system fighting each other. If batman takes down a court member, someone would step up and take their place. I don’t see how power gain wouldn’t work, it’s a basic principle of any hierarchy
@@legendofhayden I don't know I just can't picture the Nemesis System in a Batman Court of Owls game but if the devs can make it and they make it fun, then I'm gonna admit I was wrong
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Fucking killed me!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👌
Kid reference? Missed me
I actually found the stealth sequences to be my favorite part of the game. They really clicked that idea of one man behind enemy lines, striking from the shadows and using fear.
I too, loved the stealth system. I don't like slower paced stealth, but games like Dishonored let you see through walls and blink/teleport to speed up the stealth mechanics, as does Shadow of Mordor once you get that arrow based stealth kill ability. Also, stealthily crouch running is still quite fast in Mordor.
My problem with the nemesis system in the first game is that if you are too good at the game the nemesis system can't catch up with the player.
2 of my playthroughs I had experienced where my ultimate nemesis close to the end is just some random Uruk that I don't know.
yep, first few hours had me dying a couple times but as soon as I got some perks and got better at fighting I just murdered straight through them all...
All I did was stun them and then flurry hit, and it obliterated most of the nemesis Uruks, was rarely stopping me in my tracks.
Penumbrum i just played the game without using Mirian and ability points
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@@ezekielcoronado700 lmao
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Luke Stephens I fucking love shadow of Mordor. I bought shadow of war years ago some time after it released but I got confused with the story and couldn’t be bothered to grind and constantly make armies. But recently I redownloaded it and gave it a second chance and I’m loving it aswell. Talion looks different which bothers me but I still really enjoy it especially now microtransactions are gone
Please give kingdom come deliverance a chance one day bro, would love to see a critique from you on that game and I feel like you’d love it!!
Luke please do a critique of shadow of war
yes please I would love to watch a shadow of war review made by you specially now that the game is updated & they got rid of the microtransactions.
Hey Luke.
Can you do a video on How the movie The Road & the game The Last Of Us compare?
P.s. you'll like The Road.
Shadow of war is even better- the whole seige thing made it feel like a real war effort- never seen that in a game before.
Shadow of war felt like steps forward and backward at the same time
I think Mordor had less flaws if also less features
@@adamdavis1737 fair enough. I'm just playing through war now and it's really fun. But like he said- Mordor is probably more streamlined.
@@XenosTheGamer I definitely don't dislike shadow of war. I just felt like it was marred a bit by the late game grind. Plus it didn't help it was released with monetization etc.
But it's still a great sequel
I bought it the moment they got rid of lootboxes and it’s actually very fun and challenging.
@@dtanobo definitely glad they finally got rid of them
It's magical how they create non scripted stories.
@Cave Johnson are ye bloody joking, mate?
@Cave Johnson Well, I guess so
@Cave Johnson Nah
This game is brilliant
This game was really good, only the ending was a huge letdown, in fact, the last 45 minutes seemed rushed af.
Glad I'm not the only one that thought so. I was so disappointed by that final boss fight.
Kirk Bupkis it was literally a qte. The opening tho was one of my favorite openings in s as my game ever
I thought Shadow of war ending was something truely special!
After they removed the awful grind. Yeah it was.👌
+Corey Mckee A lot of people found it special *because* it was a reward for a fairly long grind. The whole "Talion keeps Mordor in a state of perpetual war for hundreds of years" doesn't feel as impactful when it's over in 5 sieges.
@@TheMasterMind144 It's only around 60 years.
@@coreymckee4844 awful grind. *snorts* says the guy who Rushed through the game to the end of the game and didnt interact with the nemesis system at all to get good orcs.
@@winstonchurchill7822 yea true you should definitely grind the Nemesis system it's really fun
Shadow of War Spoiler!
Dude I would love your thoughts on the betrayal In shadow of war please do a critique!!
You should've specified if the spoiler was Shadow of Mordor or Shadow of War
Kilani Playstation sorry buddy I fixed it! I hope I didn’t ruin either of these game’s for you they’re great!
Is this really a spoiler tho?
@@grammcourse SPOILER:
it could be a spoiler for someone who doesn't know they can be betrayed in SOW and it could be a real "holy shit my follower just betrayed me and now i have to kill him" (at least thats how it was for me) or because Bruz betrays Talion at one point
I LOVED Shadow of War and a breakdown would be most welcome (even if I don’t agree about everything!)
BTW: have you played The Bright Lord DLC? Whenever I replay SoM, I play TBL first, since it leads directly into SoM.
Finally someone talks about this underrated masterpiece!
IKR!
Dante McCloud yes, from several outlets. Don’t know if I’d call that ‘underrated!’
@@jonbodhi I know but nowadays I its often overlooked
@@finnsweeney406 I think it's overrated.
It was one of the first games to have a full on lootbox system. If it wasn't for WB and microtransactions this game could have been a masterpiece. I didn't even finish it because of the grind at the end.
I love both the games, would like to do your take on Shadow of War
I actually liked the stealth a lot for several reasons. It is pretty forgiving, like, you can approach an enemy from the front and stealth-stab him into the face without raising an alarm. Also movement is pretty fluid, so it doesn't feel like it is slowing me down too much. And later there are some skills that make stealth even easier. ALl in all it was a nice variation in the gameplay loop.
Shadow of war is overall better. It just had some bad press because of the lootbox stuff and now its all patched out. COMPLETELY.
iq2992 it doesnt have lootboxes Any more?
@@majedzowk5337 none
Jack Eriksson damn i gotta buy it then
Yes, please do Shadow of War! It's better and worse in many ways from SOM. Personally, I think SOM is a better linear game but SOW is a much better sandbox to create your own adventure (post lootbox and grind removal)
Love this game but what keeps it from being an all time classic are the lack of boss fights, the over tutorializing, and the lack of difficulty options. It's a blast to play otherwise.
After your 1st playthrough you'll know how to learn the moves and master the game to a point where the enemies offer no challenge like halfway through and there aren't any interesting bosses to make use of your skills.
And the game has so many hidden tutorial missions that slow down the pace to almost a halt when you have to follow a character and do exactly what they say.
It was hilarious but annoying when I unlocked the Caragor domniation skill hours before and was using it but had to do the tutorial for it with the hunter later.
I love it but it could have been so easily tweaked to skip certain missions on replays and increase difficulty with a patch.
You can definitely make it harder via the options. Turning off the counter prompts (both visual and audio) makes it much more challenging. I also did a run where I only gave myself a few skill points, I think it was 5 or 6 other than the plot essential ones.
Really changes the game!
@@RaidsEpicly Those are pretty artificial ways imo. I want what they did in SOW where the AI acted differently and they calculated damage differently while keeping all the promps and powers
I loved the stealth in both Shadow and Batman!
Whoa! I caught this video the day of release. I've been spending my time watching your very long videos and I enjoy them! Thanks for the quality content, my dude.
This is really weird timing since I spent the last week playing and finishing this game for the first time. I'm about to start War so I would love to see a video on that as well. Stay awesome Luke!
one thing i'll say is traversal is a lot faster in war, in almost every area u can ride a drake (dragon) or use elven sprint which is the fast way to traverse in SOM but without having to jump over obstacles just press down a button
Ohhhhh I’m so excited to watch this, this is the video I didn’t know I wanted from you but I am so happy about it!!!
TheRogueEight I don’t see the correlation??
TheRogueEight How did you even come up with that XD
TheRogueEight lit well have a nice day
I've watched your most recent content, and I've gotta say, you've grown so much! Super proud of you Luke, keep up the good work!
We would looove to see a Full Shadow of War review from you.
I have a similar feeling with a particular Uruk I ran into in Shadow of Mordor as Ushgol. His name I believe was Kugo the Prickler. He was a spear-thrower... And his spears were poisoned. And he couldn't be vaulted over and very often would just sit fifty feet away hurling spears at me whilst I'm in a sea of Uruks, unable to really fight him. I had to run away many times. I think I ended up killing him like three or four times. So not only would he poison me, kill me and taunt me. He'd also cheat death, repeatedly. Needless to say he was infuriating. But it felt good every time I killed him.
Would love to see a critique of War- I only recently played through Shadow of Mordor and... well, ever since that gameplay reveal of War, I was very excited to see the nemesis system getting extra love, and equipment drops instead of runes, and attacking fortresses with an orc army that had my back. So yeah, I'd be very curious to hear what all they got right and wrong... besides the microtransactions, which I thought they yanked at some point..? I'll probably pick it up during a holiday sale this year, since I tried to brand my favorite captains and warchiefs in the hopes that they would carry over and the adventure could continue :B
Just figured I'd mention that the free-flow combat system actually came about when Ubisoft made the Prince of Persia trilogy games, the predecessor to Assassin's Creed. In a making of video for the Warrior Within they talked about creating the term that is used today.
Shadow of Mordor didn't launch on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, it was ported to them later.
Yes, please do the full critique when time permits. 😁
Cheers! 🍻
Would really like to see the shadow of war critique
i remember this was one of the first games i really fell in love with, played it 4 times on my ps3 and 3 times on my ps4, then went for the platnium trophy, you really get sucked into the systems and world, many hours well spent
Collin Gray I got bored with it on my first playthrough, couldn't even push through Bright Lord. And then there are some people that played it 7 times, lol.
Hi Luke. Great video! Please consider making a retrospective of Shadow of War.
A Shadow of War review has to be in order now
Yeah one on shadow of war would be awesome :) also, I like the no beard look. Rock it
Wow. I literally started playing this game for the first time yesterday. (Decided to try out psNOW for the first time as well). I’m loving it so far. Hop on YT to look up videos on it. Low and behold, one of my favorite creators has a video on it from a few days ago! I’m here for this Luke! Ty!
middle earth shadow of mordor is one of the best games of 2014
I think I remember dominating some named uruks that were specifically weak to it, or at least not resistant, just so I could more easily kill them.
Either way, I think letting you kill them is still good, but it should put more priority on non-dominated ones when you try to attack a crowd.
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Idk anything about these games but interested in it and love your vids
Mormog the crafty still haunts me to this day
I'm here before the copyright hits for 2 seconds of a clip
YEEEEWEESESS SHADOW OF MORDOR VID PLZZ DO SHADOW OF WAR ASWELL!
The real takeaway from this video is that Luke referred to a PS4 game as being from the "previous generation."
A critique for shadow of war would be cool, since it got a lot of flak or the microtransactions but would be interested to see what state it is in without them.
Amazing work as usual.
Thank you Luke
I remember having a captain who the only way I managed to actually defeat him to repeatedly use wrath stun to stun lock him and build up the combo meter to increase the damage of wrath blast and whittle him down, only reliable way to do damage to him.
Playing this game again right now, still SO good
Ngl, couldn’t even get through Shadow of Mordor, played Shadow of War through twice
Love your critiques man I have listened the batman and assassins creed ones multiple times while tattooing
Shadow of mordor was the first game I sat down and went out of my way to 100 percent everything...
That's how good it was and it hold up today.
yes please do a video for the sequel !!
I would love a critique on Shadow of war! Just started playing it and would appreciate some deep dives on those mechanics!
I love these games so much. Being a Lord of the rings or just a fan of middle Earth is just a bonus to me . Cinematography and other parts were made so well in this game. Hard to believe this game was made in 2014 . I feel old lol 😂 . Combat was nice and the Nemesis system was just revolutionary. Indeed this is a great classic. I know people say it's underrated even though this game got a lot of awards for it but to me these games feel like they got treated like a one hit wonder . Like it was so awesome in the first year or 2 but I feel like people rarely talk about these games. Sure it's not the greatest game in the world but it's definitely different and awesome. One of my first PlayStation Platinum trophies I got was Shadow of Mordor. It's just amazing
Love to see a critique on Shadow of war
Yes, a shadow of War critique would be very much appreciated.
I never quite finished Shadow of Mordor, but I got very far. The game looked unbelievable on the PS4 in 2014. I remember about halfway through the game you fight a boss that took me about 10 tries to beat. The guy who you have to be in order to get to the green grassy part of the map
I'm so glad your doing this game. Hopefully the sequel is in your sights too. I loved these games
Wild, I worked on SoM and SoW; I knew Mordor was well received, didn't think I'd see anyone talking about it over five years later.
Free-form combat was created by Ubisoft long before Assassin's Creed. I remember something like this being one of the main selling points for Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, back in 2004. And the combad there seemed really good and refined for the time. So basically Ubi and WB both were using similar systems for Prince/Assassin and Batman/Mordor.
Would absolutely love a shadow of war critique
My (maybe not when I got to the very end) nemesis was one of those random dudes who killed me once and built himself up. He was first known as Shaka (or similar) and, while I don't remember all the details anymore, was really-moderately tough to kill. I finally kill him and he is revived as Shaka the Undying. At this time I have less of a struggle to kill him, but would always come back. No matter the kill type, he'd come back. I know I lobed his head of and he came back. It got to the point that his face was so fucked up he came back with rags wrapped around his head. I can't recall if he was the one to come back in the end and so war, but I definitely remember him the most.
Gods, I want to play that again. Need some necromancy so I can have Shaka back. Lmao.
My biggest issue with this game is that the first area felt like a long tutorial, as the game walks you through eliminating all of the warchiefs. Once I got into the second area I was excited to see the entire game open up, but there was just that one zone left. There was no incentive to replay the first zone, so the game just left me feeling a bit empty. Second game had big issues, but the expansiveness of the world felt much better to work in.
Console limitations is the culprit for that (divided map).
I got shadow of Mordor just from a humble bundle purchase of 1 dollar. I never played it for a long time but when I did, I loved it.
we NEED a shadow of war critique
How do you open up the 2nd map? no one addresses it and it is frustrating
I've only played the sequel and thought that was amazing. Would be interested to hear your critique!
I would like to see that follow-up video about Shadow of War, though I have a few ideas about why it wasn't so well-received myself as well.
EDIT: I actually loved riding the caragors. Sneaking around on one and jumping orcs and letting the beast gnaw on him was one of my favourite pass-times in the game. And the same goes for stealth, I played everything I could in stealth, but then I do that in all games where I can do that just because I like it better that way.
After watching this I would honestly love to see your full breakdown of shadow of war, while that game did have it's flaws I still loved it
The thing I love about Shadow of Mordor's combat is that it's easy if you're taking the enemies seriously, but if you start taking victory for granted you can slip up and die really quickly. It isn't super hard, but at the same time rewards keeping engaged and paying attention.
He actually looks like a completely different person without the hair
That Todd Howard intrusion spooked me.
I'm having an odd discovering of free flow combat games. It all started when I finally bought SpiderMan for the PS4, now I just played the Arkham series 👌 now this one is currently downloading
I don't understand how you don't like stealth mechanics. Each to their own, I guess
Cool, Luke's letting his little cousin get a video! Nice bloke, but hope to see Luke proper next time
I guess I’m one of the few ppl that lovvvvved shadow of war pleeeeeease do a video on it it’s one of my favorite games of all time. By the way thanks for the vids you’re definitely one of the best on TH-cam
I'm ready for that SoW review.
Shadow of War is pretty much SoM ramped up to ten. It has its problems, but it improves on a lot of things from Mordor. Now that the MTs are gone from that game , I'd really love to hear your thoughts on it.
Hey Luke, big fan and fellow theatre person! I’m curious what role you shaved for, if you can/want to talk about it? And favorite roles you’ve played before?
I actually really liked Shadow of War..
It had its flaws sure (especially at launch with the lootboxes they added) but it was still an amazing game and the nemesis system was perfected and never been done like it since (which is sad)
Nowadays they totally removed the lootboxes and microtransactions (which almost no one ever used btw) and the game has improved significantly.
The director of Dragon Age and Baldur's gate that left Bioware recently, has just come out with his own studio; Summerfall Studios. And they're crowd funding their first game. And I was wondering if you've heard of it because, well the game is actually a choice based musical!
We've all heard before of your love for musicals, so I would actually love to hear your opinion about the concept.
So far it seems like a great start, but they need some backup. They got some amazing people working on it too!
Love to see a shadow of war review
No
I've played this game about 6 or 7 times over just because of the combat system. It's simply amazing, lots of options, feels very responsive and the animations are awesome
while yes i would like a critique of shadow of war.Thank you good sir
I agree that the stealth in Shadow of Mordor is just there, but the stealth in the Arkham games is crucial and lots of fun. Stealth is needed in the Arkham games, and is my go to play style in them, though I dont mind the stealth in Shadow of Mordor.
One of the most interesting things about the game is it's almost complete lack of any ludo-narrative dissonance, even dying feels right in the game and given the story it even makes perfect sense for Talion to take time and perform all the side quests. Hell even getting killed by a grunt feels legit😂
I had a captain who firstly I set on fire and he bailed on me, he came back all hooded and burned and had a crossbow with exploding bolts. So in reality he had a grenade launcher in a medieval setting. He was also arrow proof and stealth proof. He haunted my entire game chasing me around. I couldnt get close because he would just rain fire from a distance. Oh and he always has a small army with hin. Ended up facing him off in the final battle and finally defeated him, still took 3 or 4 goes😂
You predicted Rocksteady making a Suicide Squad game.....
I'm a fan of this universe (LORs) and I agree that this particular game really carried the spirit of the stories. Though, I like the 2nd game a lot, this one just had a more immersive feel about it.
BTW, I would like for you to do a video on Shadow of War 😊
I would really like a breakdown of Shadow of War. I was hyped when it came out and I really liked the sieges but I felt like it went on way too long. It also felt like they nerfed Talion because you can't have every type of upgrade on like you could in shadow of mordor. I still enjoyed it though
Would love the shadow of war critique. Especially with the whole lootbox mess it had back on release
Yes to a Critique on Shadow of War.
Who was that playing Luke at the beginning? Did the beard hold back some of his personality?
It’s because turning on a dominated Uruk effects the the nemesis system.
One aspect of this game that bugged me was how you could get stuck on the floors, at least when walking on rooftops. So many times I died because I couldn't walk over a random board. Might've just been the PC version but it happened and it annoyed me
Shadow of War is a complete improvement of Shadow of Mordor, in my opinion. It's much better now than it was at launch, it gets a bad rep because of how it launched
I am so glad this video exist
Shadow of War is low-key one of my favorite games this generation.
Hey man, LOVE the content. So glad I found your channel, your opinions are very well thought out and intelligent. Any chance you'll do in- depth critiques of Dark Souls and Bloodborne? I love these games and would like to hear your full thoughts.