A few of us in the Algarve have the 500s and for this landscape they are epic bikes. We love them, and a few of the crew have many different bikes to choose from and still keep on coming back to the 500s. Interestingly, in Lisbon, the dealer told me that the 700 isn't selling but the 500s are still flying out the door...
Great review, but you cannot equate 13 liters of fuel to 13 kg. Fuel is significantly lighter than water, weighing only 0,75kg/l. So 13 liters of fuel weigh close to 10 kg.
@@eflanagan1921 Idk man, but something about your calculation is very off. 21.45 lbs converts to 9.73 kg, which would match what I calculated originally.
These 700 Scramblers have just been released here in Australia and when you look at the lack of dealer network for Fantic plus the near $20k AUD plus another $5k on road costs for a $100 less you could get a Triumph 900 Scrambler and also get more support. As much as I like the bike the price and lack of dealer support would be my biggest issues.
@@stevecoaster2360 personally I’m not a Triumph fan and as I pointed out living here Australia the lack of dealer network for Fantic would also be the reason why I wouldn’t buy one. Seeing how this country can be as wild and rough as it is I’d be more inclined to buy a dual sport (enduro) for off and on road shenanigans anyway which would cost me a lot less that $20k AUD and would be far more durable anyway. Bear in mind to the traditional scrambler was derived originally from cut down road bikes so the Scrambler 900 is no different from the scramblers built using Trophy TR6s as base bikes back in the 50s.
I'm a recent onwer of the Caballero 700. After approximatly 1000km a strange noise appeared (king of plastic noise). The seller Vespa coudn't fix it but explaining to me it was normal. But worse, very recently the bike could not get its normal functionning temperature before at least 15km (before it took about 4km to raise the half of the temp indicator). Currently my bike returned to Vespa for check. I confess I am very pessimistic about their capacity to fix it. Second italian mototbike I get (before an MV Agusta) and always electronic problems made in Italy...
I have a Fanticmotor, in 1979, a GT 75cc, Minarelli motor, it was powerful, and the frame with quality, But electric parts, brakes, regular ti bad. This new era of Fantic (ex Fanticmotor), seems to be a quality kind of motorbikes. But no way, Japan Morobikes better, but today some models, made in India or China, don´t have the quality, of eighties japanes motorbikes, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda Suzuki. Iill drive diferents in these years, from Honda 50cc four strokes, Yamaha gt 80 (exquisite), Yamaha Rx, Kawasaki, 110, Kawasaki Z200, Kz 550 (energic bike), Kz 650, Honda CB 6599, Yamaha XS 1200, Honda CB400N, Honda CM200, Suzuki, Cross 125, etc. Japan is beter.But is strange that I Have jawwa 350, two strokes, from checoslovaquia 1978, this simple morobikes, was really excelent, only give ti it, gasoline and oil,,,no way excelent duirabi8lity, this was in it´s category better than japan.
A great looker and was so tempted. CP2 one of the best 600-700 engines. So eager. Personally I find throttle cables far better than ride by wire as long as weighting and tube are good. Obvious back to back comparison here Rob is against the Yamaha XSR700 Legacy, I have the similiar XSR700 XTribute scrambler on cast 17s, 840mm seat, on MT60RS tyres and softer suspension, super fun, as light as Fantic, peppy on aftermarket pipe, MT a great Motard tyre on and off road but still look chunky and massive grippy 😎 💡 ultimately I went Yam for more dealer support and softer suspension than fantic, which had put me off noting the sketch roads up here in Scotland, and XSR about same money,
Nice looking with a few good touches, but I think the XSR700 Legacy is better value and just as suitable for light off road use. I got one back in August and very pleased with it and a joy to ride. Just strange no reviews of it on TH-cam (in English)
Nice video, as always. Brands like this (Fantic, Voge, etc), face a bit of an uphill struggle with the lack of a support network. A nice bike is great, but a dealership that’s convenient for servicing and parts does make a difference when living with the bike. I bought a Royal Enfield 5 years ago, and the nearest dealer at that point was in a whole different county. It’s much better now, but being an early adopter for a smaller brand comes with challenges.
Before watching this I think that the marriage of a reliable Asian driveline with Italian styling and conceptual brilliance, is a match made in Heaven....
using that engine was a master stroke, it is just right, it might be too much for anyone wanting to green lane but this bike is all about the looks of a Scarmbler not actually scrambling, but nearly £10K is a lot of money,
Love your videos and love this bike, the styling with the CP2, great combo. Curious to see a video giving your scores between this and the CFmoto 700...
Perfect review as always - you answer all the qustions I'm interrested in! As a child of the late 60ies, I love Fantic and I would prefer the Fantic Caballero Scrambler 700 to the XSR 700. But those mirrors are ridiculous and the welding at the mufflers is a shame. And yes - MT60ies would be the better choice.
@@danielkerr4100 Sorry thats just nonsense! The MT07 is about 8400 Euros and £7500. So whats the point? I love the better upside down marzocchi suspension and the overall way better look of it. If its not worth to you, go ahead and buy the boring mainstream MT07 which looks ugly btw.
@@carlosandleon I keep hoping & to be fair there are a few, well sorta, but for different reasons I wouldn't consider any of the three. Ducati desert sled, now discontinued and cost of yearly maintenance is silly money. Royal Enfield scram 411, not enough power to get out of its own way. Fantic caballero 500 rally. Engine comes from China and runs very hot, transmission is rumoured to be fragile and I'm not yet prepared to buy Chinese for a variety of reasons. Otherwise I'd love that bike. Jury is still out, but the new triumph scrambler 400X does appear to be a proper scrambler?. We wait!. There's also the big triumph scrambler 1200X and XE but is a 230kg bike really a scrambler?. Even triumph refers to them as naked adventure bikes which seems equally illogical to me.
Well this is a little awkward, was looking forward to this bike, but every other review I've seen or read has slagged it off, I actually believe your review as you’ve said it is a good bike with some caveats, so why has everyone else given it a kicking, I will try and get a test ride in spring Cheers
Dear MotoBob Nice review.During this Christmas Festival season it's like a Great joy machine to ride from 2023-Next coming Years 🎉.I liked your video 🎉
I think they missed the mark...you already have a saturated market of posey pretty bikes...the 500 had the looks but also the heart...maybe they'll do a rally version eventually although the price for this one is already high enough.
I nearly bought the 500 Rally when it was released in Australia but was a bit overpriced for what it is. I ended up building an XSR700 dirt bike instead with 21-17 wheels and off road suspension. Best bike I've owned and nothing on the market has matched what it can offer. Thought this might come close but looks like a swing and a miss with too much road bias.
Like all Retro - Scramblers “unpractical “ let down by tank size ( like the Ducati Scrambler 800 ) and upswapped exhaust- crap 💩 for luggage. So a coffee shop bike .Yep the 800 only had 150mm travel front and rear - I owned one . It talks the talk in the Scrambler department BUT definitely DOESENT walk the walk .
@@pemmicanstash7923 Engine is built by Zongshen in China, but most of the other components are Italian-made and the bike is assembled in Italy. ------ well at least they try
I had my personal verdict in the first 15 seconds: A bland looking bike. Video did not change my opinion. This bike suffers also from limited dealership and being overpriced in an already overcrowded hipster market.
Louis appears to be an Hungarian motorcycle accessories retailer. For those strongly supporting Ukraine and the EU, I suggest buying from this company and paying VAT to Orban’s government is counterproductive…..?
Looks the dogs ballocks! Cant go wrong with italian bikes even with yamaha motor. Needs wire spoked tubeless rims and tubeless tyres as a must. 😊🤗👍👌👏nice one fantic❤
Honestly, this is what the XSR700 should've been. I like it.
A few of us in the Algarve have the 500s and for this landscape they are epic bikes. We love them, and a few of the crew have many different bikes to choose from and still keep on coming back to the 500s. Interestingly, in Lisbon, the dealer told me that the 700 isn't selling but the 500s are still flying out the door...
I can understand the 500 being more popular. I ride a 390 Duke. I'd rather like a 500 [450]. Are the 500s totally reliable, please?
Great review, but you cannot equate 13 liters of fuel to 13 kg. Fuel is significantly lighter than water, weighing only 0,75kg/l. So 13 liters of fuel weigh close to 10 kg.
wow, never knew that. Thanks
13 liters of gasoline is 7.74 kg or 21.45 lbs
@@eflanagan1921 Idk man, but something about your calculation is very off. 21.45 lbs converts to 9.73 kg, which would match what I calculated originally.
Yeah, Italian styling really makes this bike. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
These 700 Scramblers have just been released here in Australia and when you look at the lack of dealer network for Fantic plus the near $20k AUD plus another $5k on road costs for a $100 less you could get a Triumph 900 Scrambler and also get more support. As much as I like the bike the price and lack of dealer support would be my biggest issues.
The triumph is a street bike that designed to look like a scrambler, no comparison
@@stevecoaster2360 personally I’m not a Triumph fan and as I pointed out living here Australia the lack of dealer network for Fantic would also be the reason why I wouldn’t buy one. Seeing how this country can be as wild and rough as it is I’d be more inclined to buy a dual sport (enduro) for off and on road shenanigans anyway which would cost me a lot less that $20k AUD and would be far more durable anyway. Bear in mind to the traditional scrambler was derived originally from cut down road bikes so the Scrambler 900 is no different from the scramblers built using Trophy TR6s as base bikes back in the 50s.
Yeah man us aussies got ripped with this price. I’ll just get the Benelli 500 trail
is that the mt07 engine?
I'm a recent onwer of the Caballero 700. After approximatly 1000km a strange noise appeared (king of plastic noise). The seller Vespa coudn't fix it but explaining to me it was normal. But worse, very recently the bike could not get its normal functionning temperature before at least 15km (before it took about 4km to raise the half of the temp indicator). Currently my bike returned to Vespa for check. I confess I am very pessimistic about their capacity to fix it. Second italian mototbike I get (before an MV Agusta) and always electronic problems made in Italy...
I have a Fanticmotor, in 1979, a GT 75cc, Minarelli motor, it was powerful, and the frame with quality, But electric parts, brakes, regular ti bad. This new era of Fantic (ex Fanticmotor), seems to be a quality kind of motorbikes. But no way, Japan Morobikes better, but today some models, made in India or China, don´t have the quality, of eighties japanes motorbikes, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda Suzuki. Iill drive diferents in these years, from Honda 50cc four strokes, Yamaha gt 80 (exquisite), Yamaha Rx, Kawasaki, 110, Kawasaki Z200, Kz 550 (energic bike), Kz 650, Honda CB 6599, Yamaha XS 1200, Honda CB400N, Honda CM200, Suzuki, Cross 125, etc. Japan is beter.But is strange that I Have jawwa 350, two strokes, from checoslovaquia 1978, this simple morobikes, was really excelent, only give ti it, gasoline and oil,,,no way excelent duirabi8lity, this was in it´s category better than japan.
A great looker and was so tempted. CP2 one of the best 600-700 engines. So eager. Personally I find throttle cables far better than ride by wire as long as weighting and tube are good. Obvious back to back comparison here Rob is against the Yamaha XSR700 Legacy, I have the similiar XSR700 XTribute scrambler on cast 17s, 840mm seat, on MT60RS tyres and softer suspension, super fun, as light as Fantic, peppy on aftermarket pipe, MT a great Motard tyre on and off road but still look chunky and massive grippy 😎 💡 ultimately I went Yam for more dealer support and softer suspension than fantic, which had put me off noting the sketch roads up here in Scotland, and XSR about same money,
Man, those welds at the exhaust!!
At the head pipe converter or mufflers ? Might be deliberately rougher then needed for taste ?
Nice looking with a few good touches, but I think the XSR700 Legacy is better value and just as suitable for light off road use. I got one back in August and very pleased with it and a joy to ride. Just strange no reviews of it on TH-cam (in English)
Nice video, as always. Brands like this (Fantic, Voge, etc), face a bit of an uphill struggle with the lack of a support network. A nice bike is great, but a dealership that’s convenient for servicing and parts does make a difference when living with the bike. I bought a Royal Enfield 5 years ago, and the nearest dealer at that point was in a whole different county. It’s much better now, but being an early adopter for a smaller brand comes with challenges.
Fantic need to get their bikes into the Yamaha shops,being a subsidiary of the Japanese factory?
The exhaust welding is horrible. Other than that it's a nice naked bike.
Was about to say that. And the controls housing finish doesn't look too good either.
The left side switch is the same with Aprilia Pegaso 650 2008
Before watching this I think that the marriage of a reliable Asian driveline with Italian styling and conceptual brilliance, is a match made in Heaven....
using that engine was a master stroke, it is just right, it might be too much for anyone wanting to green lane but this bike is all about the looks of a Scarmbler not actually scrambling, but nearly £10K is a lot of money,
Love your videos and love this bike, the styling with the CP2, great combo. Curious to see a video giving your scores between this and the CFmoto 700...
I enjoyed riding and reviewing the 500, so I can see how great it would be with the CP2 engine 👌
Same price OTR as a Suzuki 800 RE, with QS. I know which one I'd have.
Perfect review as always - you answer all the qustions I'm interrested in!
As a child of the late 60ies, I love Fantic and I would prefer the Fantic Caballero Scrambler 700 to the XSR 700. But those mirrors are ridiculous and the welding at the mufflers is a shame. And yes - MT60ies would be the better choice.
I wish the xrs 700 have this styling except with regular 120/17 and 180/17 road tires
Usual comprehensive review. I sat on one at Motorcycle Live and was disappointed with looks and the price.
Its just the best looking scrambler out there! Its affordable, has the more agile motor than the scrambler 900 and its cheaper. I love it!
to me it doesnt look good and its expensive af for what it is i could get nearly two mt07s for one of these and theyre the same engine lol
@@danielkerr4100 Sorry thats just nonsense! The MT07 is about 8400 Euros and £7500. So whats the point?
I love the better upside down marzocchi suspension and the overall way better look of it. If its not worth to you, go ahead and buy the boring mainstream MT07 which looks ugly btw.
Fantic have such good style and fun factor. The 500 is not a very common sight on our roads; but maybe the 700 will change this.....
Ridiculous price for what it is!
500,right look,right price,wrong engine
@@williamrae9954 Zongshen engine is really that bad? Ever heard of reliability issues?
@@giorgisyr1 Are you drunk...or is English not your 1st language?
@@williamrae9954 not my 1st language
Ridiculous good or Ridiculous bad?
It's a gorgeous bike, but I'm increasingly perplexed buy the current trend of building scramblers that aren't actually scramblers?.
Yeah ive been hoping for like an XR650 kind of frame with classic looks.
Absolutely no manufacturer delivers.
@@carlosandleon I keep hoping & to be fair there are a few, well sorta, but for different reasons I wouldn't consider any of the three.
Ducati desert sled, now discontinued and cost of yearly maintenance is silly money.
Royal Enfield scram 411, not enough power to get out of its own way.
Fantic caballero 500 rally. Engine comes from China and runs very hot, transmission is rumoured to be fragile and I'm not yet prepared to buy Chinese for a variety of reasons. Otherwise I'd love that bike.
Jury is still out, but the new triumph scrambler 400X does appear to be a proper scrambler?. We wait!.
There's also the big triumph scrambler 1200X and XE but is a 230kg bike really a scrambler?. Even triumph refers to them as naked adventure bikes which seems equally illogical to me.
People just like the look.
adding tubeless spoke will complete this bike
£130 and end...Central Wheel Components
Motobob, can you do a test of the Fantic 450 enduro bikes? That would have been great. 😊
Can you do a smaller bike review like the mash falcone or x ride or even AJS isaba..
Interesting that it has riding modes without ride by wire.🤔
Well this is a little awkward, was looking forward to this bike, but every other review I've seen or read has slagged it off, I actually believe your review as you’ve said it is a good bike with some caveats, so why has everyone else given it a kicking, I will try and get a test ride in spring
Cheers
For that money U may as well buy a xsr7000
yeah way too overpiced for what it is, you could two xsr700s second hand here for one of these new
So why not buy the Tenere instead of this? They are in the same price range and with a little more I would have a Desert Sled.
Dear MotoBob Nice review.During this Christmas Festival season it's like a Great joy machine to ride from 2023-Next coming Years 🎉.I liked your video 🎉
Italians have so many engineering brands its incredible.
their small brands r owned by chinese manufacturers
@@bonjovi1354 so? Still Italian!
Fantic is 100% Italian. Head office is in Treviso near Venice, bikes are built in Bologna at the Minarelli plant acquired from Yamaha.@@bonjovi1354
I think they missed the mark...you already have a saturated market of posey pretty bikes...the 500 had the looks but also the heart...maybe they'll do a rally version eventually although the price for this one is already high enough.
Is this a yamaha cp2 engine ?
Fantic work in partnership with Yamaha... enduro/MX bikes
@@williamrae9954 i think that bike is much better of xsr 700, more classic vibe
what’s that small cube you got on the handlebars?
When did Stevie Wonder learn to weld? 😎
Great looking bike ..they could do with relocating the rectifier but that nit picking.Antidote to triumph etc (yawn)
Gas is around 0,7kg per liter.. so 13 would be around 9kg
I'd rather have an XSR700.
Don’t think it’s available in the USA.
You get very little... blame your greedy lawyers and politicians
Jeez...I'm happy to hear it does not have ride by wire. Ride by cable is ssoooo much better. People, y'all got to STOP allowing computers to rule you.
Computers aren't all bad mate 😅
If only we(USA) got it !?
I have a question is all fanatic motorcycle is from Yamaha engine? Only 700 cc? Hope you noticed my question, Im from Philippines 😁
i think only the 700, because i do not think yamaha makes a 500cc single
not all they have ome in the enduro lineup and now this...the rest of the caballeros are chinese engines
The 500 is made in Zongshen factory
@@ivoaferreira ok
@@giorgisyr1 ok
I nearly bought the 500 Rally when it was released in Australia but was a bit overpriced for what it is. I ended up building an XSR700 dirt bike instead with 21-17 wheels and off road suspension. Best bike I've owned and nothing on the market has matched what it can offer. Thought this might come close but looks like a swing and a miss with too much road bias.
Like all Retro - Scramblers “unpractical “ let down by tank size ( like the Ducati Scrambler 800 ) and upswapped exhaust- crap 💩 for luggage. So a coffee shop bike .Yep the 800 only had 150mm travel front and rear - I owned one . It talks the talk in the Scrambler department BUT definitely DOESENT walk the walk .
Not about the bike😅 what size chest are you and which eu size jacket are you wearing?
how can you possibly review a scrambler without taking it off road? Spinning one these round a field is half the point, no?
Yamaha power
*Chinese built Yamaha power
13 liters of gasoline weigh around 10kgs, gasoline is less dense than water.
the welding on those exhausts is atrocious
nice bike,but too expensive for what it gives
If only this bike can be lowered to 790mm.
Cabaierou
I have no choice on where my phone is made.
I DO on my bikes.
I refuse to fund the CCP in that context.
Ccp is more ethical n rightous than the west or japan
Fantic is an Italian brand. However, I do support you in avoiding Chinese products - which is very difficult.
@@pemmicanstash7923 Engine is built by Zongshen in China, but most of the other components are Italian-made and the bike is assembled in Italy.
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well
at least they try
@@the.communist Tell that to the Uyghurs.
@@joeblow5037Built by Yamaha... it's a CP2, not the 500cc
Very expensive
£9700 for a Chinese made bike!!? You can buy a Ducati Scrambler for just a few hundred more.
Why Chinese? This is build in Italy
Assembled in Italy with a Chinese yamaha clone engine @@Straightleg55
Italian built,Japanese engine... unlike Audi, Hilti, etc...fully Chinese manufactured,only assembled in Europe !
Yamaha cp2 engine in an Italian bike
CP2 is produced by Minarelli, formerly ownwed by Yamaha, now fully owned by Fantic Motor, It is basically a 100% italian bike
How could you butcher the name of the brand so badly 😂😂
I had my personal verdict in the first 15 seconds: A bland looking bike. Video did not change my opinion. This bike suffers also from limited dealership and being overpriced in an already overcrowded hipster market.
Too much cost n much practical bike this just proves only engine doesn't make a bike better
Not a good aesthetic balance... Clumsy look.. the engine to me is ugly to watch. The radiator is hideous. The 500 is 500 times better looking
The only brand looks good looking scrambler is Ducati which actually have a scrambler design.
So, an overpriced, retro, artsy-fartsy scrambler with a Yamaha engine ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
CABAJERO? Can you read?
Louis appears to be an Hungarian motorcycle accessories retailer. For those strongly supporting Ukraine and the EU, I suggest buying from this company and paying VAT to Orban’s government is counterproductive…..?
No, we are from Germany. Where did you get such information? 🤔
Louis is 100% German. Placing them in Hungary and bringing politics to the topic is a bit ridiculous.
Looks the dogs ballocks! Cant go wrong with italian bikes even with yamaha motor. Needs wire spoked tubeless rims and tubeless tyres as a must.
😊🤗👍👌👏nice one fantic❤
Is this a yamaha cp2 engine ?
yes
Lisenced
Is this a yamaha cp2 engine ?
Lisenced from yamaha
Built by Yamaha... they are partners of Yamaha, as CCM were with Suzuki... just better put together, compared to CCMs