New Apex 3.0 30% Drawdown Rule CLARIFIED & Explained!

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  • @CatinaWillis
    @CatinaWillis 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Rules to slow down payouts. 😒 Why do we have to suffer because others learned how to game their old rules. 😡

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey Catina! My apologies I had a word on my blocklist that hid your comment. I definitely understand how frustrating it is when people who are gaming the system ruin it for people who are trading properly. With this new rule though, if you're using good risk management, it won't affect you in any way, shape, or form and you'll still get your payouts approved! :)

  • @blackcoffeetrader
    @blackcoffeetrader หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good video. Totally agree with you, if you have some risk management this rule really won't apply. Personally I think that in totality Apex 3.0 is beneficial for us traders and certainly more clarity for everyone.

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I believe so as well. Now that we're a month or so in, I've seen SO MANY traders admit that following the new rules has improved their trading and they're losing less accounts! The reality is ALOT of prop traders are gambling. I understand risking a higher percentage in a prop acct than you would a personal acct, BUT risking 30% is ridiculous no matter what account you're trading on.

  • @rubendelatorrejr2190
    @rubendelatorrejr2190 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi KeAmber thanks for the good info. I have a question… I probably misunderstood but is there a cap on how much profit you can take in a day?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey Ruben! My apologies I had a word blocked from my channel and I just fixed it friday. Nope there's no cap in how much profit you can take in a day. Just be sure you don't violate the 30% consistency rule and youre fine!

    • @rubendelatorrejr2190
      @rubendelatorrejr2190 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ I really appreciate your response KeAmber thank you! I figured out the consistency rule after watching your vid lol. I understand it now thanks again!

    • @heartstrings110
      @heartstrings110 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@KeAmberTradesOooh. Did Apex get rid of the 1:5 RR Max per trade?

  • @Tom-jz3zm
    @Tom-jz3zm หลายเดือนก่อน

    so if im not wrong i can still make how much profit i want in my trades on the pa account? or is there a limit

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey Tom! Sorry I had a word blocked on my channel which hid your comment. You can make however much you want in PA. Just be sure you don't violate the 30% consistency rule. This 30% drawdown rule is based on your negative PNL on open trades at any given time.

    • @heartstrings110
      @heartstrings110 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@KeAmberTradesDid Apex remove the 1:5 Risk to Reward Per Trade Limit?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @heartstrings110 nope it’s still there. It’s 5:1. Can’t risk more than $500 to make $100.

  • @32kwame
    @32kwame 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    To clarify from my understanding the 30% rule is not a daily loss limit. It applies to the trade you are in, you cannot go below the 30% of your profit/drawdown when you are in a trade

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's correct. No daily loss limit. Just simply put, your unrealized loss on all open trades at any given time cannot exceed 30% of your profit/drawdown. Which is ALOT of risk anyway lol

    • @BigBirdDayTrader
      @BigBirdDayTrader 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@KeAmberTradesso if my PA account is at 51,500…. I’m in a trade, it goes red $900 but then goes green and I close the trade green… do I break the rule?? And if I do break the rule, the account is not blown? How do I get back in position to earn payout?

  • @StretchFX
    @StretchFX 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey good evening. NEW SUB!!! Your was very informative. I just have a very very hard time understanding the 30%. 25K apex PA. Today was my first trading day. $375 was made on a 2:1 RISK TO REWARD SETUP. If focus on continuing to make about the same amount I should be able to have my payout request approved correct? I know It may seem simple but its just not clicking yet. Your response will be appreciated.

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hey Stretch! Welcome to the family! 🥰 yes if you make around the same amount each day, and do not violate any other payout rules, your payout should be approved with no problem!
      30% consistency: no 1 day’s profit can be more than 30% of the total profit at the time of the payout approval. Take your highest day and divide by 0.3 to calculate how much profit you need on the account when you request the payout. (Ex: highest day $700 ➡️ $700/0.3 = $2334 is the minimum balance needed to request a payout)
      30% negative PNL rule:
      1) while your acct balance is BELOW the safety net (below $26,600 on a $25k), your negative PNL on your open trades cannot exceed 30% of the INITIAL drawdown in the account. For a $25k this is $450 ($1500 x 0.3)
      2) while your acct balance is ABOVE the safety net (above $26,600 on a $25k), your negative PNL on your open trades cannot exceed 30% of your start of day profit on the acct
      3) when your total profit in the acct is 2x your safety net ($3200 profit on the $25k accounts), your negative PNL on your open trades cannot exceed 50% of your start of day profit on the acct.
      Hopefully that makes sense! FYI I did just publish a new video (15mins long) a few hrs ago going over each rule in detail that may help clear your confusion! ❤️

    • @StretchFX
      @StretchFX 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KeAmberTrades Thank you so much. I really really appreciate your feedback and breakdown. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

    • @DubcityO9I8
      @DubcityO9I8 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So I have a question: I risk $250 to make $100. If I take two losses, does that liquidate? Or, because my max loss is $250 as long as I don’t go below the $1500 I’m good? If I take two losses that’s $500 which is below the $450 on the 25k account, but the trades wouldn’t be open to hit the $450, does that make sense?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're most welcome!

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hey Dub! Nope the 2 losses won't liquidate. Remember the 30% PNL rule is based on your OPEN trades. Since your open trades will never reach more than $250, you're good to go ;)

  • @Trenchestrading
    @Trenchestrading หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So a tighter trailing drawdown lol

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ehhhh lol I guess I can see why people would say that lol.

  • @FineFreddy5
    @FineFreddy5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is a terrible rule. I have a lot of trades with more than 30% draw down. If I don't get paid I won't be happy. Either this rule goes or I go.

    • @tradewithhamza
      @tradewithhamza หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lol if you this rule impact you, check your risk management because it is really bad lol

    • @NewsonHuey
      @NewsonHuey หลายเดือนก่อน

      did you get the email where apex said this rule is a line in the sand and if you violate it, just keep trading? i presumed its a rule to help traders have better risk management but if violated it won't be a reason for account termination or payout denial. . .theres no clarity on how it is enforced

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why are you risking more than 30% of your account? You do understand that's terrible risk management right? Prop or not...

    • @svetoslavnovo
      @svetoslavnovo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Apex shapes you as a trader not a gambler. (I didn't get any payout yet from them) But I see what they want, I agree with them But that 30 pnl is no fun at all, cause you can't predict exact direction. And if you have 5-10 contract on nq, it is stupid just to have any stops. With 1-2 contracts it will take forever to make decent money..

  • @TannerTheTrader
    @TannerTheTrader 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    so if i have 5k profit 30% is 1500, so my open trade would be max 1500 loss, then if that hits a 1400 loss. does it reset to 30% for the next trade for continue the 1500?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey! So once you're past the safety net, the 30% is always based on the start of day profit. So if you started the day with $5k profit, the max drawdown is $1500 at any given time for the rest of the trading day whether you win or lose trades throughout that day.

  • @CatinaWillis
    @CatinaWillis 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's a damn shame that these rules have to be explained in detail, and it's still confusing. Are you saying you can not make or lose more than $750 per day with a 50k account? I'm confused. 🥴 because how can you get above the threshold if you've got to watch P/L so closely?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nooooo you can make as much as you want. And you can even lose more than $750 per day. However, your OPEN negative PNL cannot be more than $750 while your account balance is below the safety net. Risking 30% of your account balance isn't good risk management whether you're using a prop or a personal account. You don't need to watch your PNL closely, just be sure to use proper contract sizing based on the # of ticks you're risking.
      If you risk a specific $$$ amount per trade or certain % of available drawdown per trade, you'll never need to monitor your open PNL ever.

  • @AntiMason
    @AntiMason 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why did we pay to have a certain drawdown parameter and then they go and change it to 30%. 30% of the whole 25k account i agree would be insane, but 30% of 1500 dollars is easy to hit on any day.

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But remember a $25k account IS $1500. So it IS 30% "of the whole 25k account". If you are easily hitting 30% of the $1500 on any day, you have to either a) size down because you're clearly overleveraging or b) stop using 25k accounts and get a bigger account size.

    • @AntiMason
      @AntiMason 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @KeAmberTrades True I agree, I know it's truly only a $1500 account but they give you $25000 buying power.
      You'll be paying for them challenges for 9 months if you're only acting as if you have a 1500 account, because to make the profit target of 1500, (using the same logic) means you're doubling the account. Which is a 100% return.
      Thats the only reason I don't like it. I personally keep my drawdown to around 100-200 a day. This allows me to be in a position to where it would require 15 trades in a row to blow the account which isn't likely for me, but I still allow for it.
      I like roughly a $50 risk to make $300. It works well but if one day I thought it was higher probability and I decided to risk $250 and lost, and do that one more time, well now I have hit the 30% rule.
      I just don't like it. I have a system where I take all my trades and find my biggest string of losses at once and I will take the max drawdown and divide that by that big string of losses. Which tells me how much risk per trade I plan to take. With that plan it's not hard to dig into the 30% rule.

  • @tradekage
    @tradekage หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is awesome!!!

  • @jimmydieudonne3715
    @jimmydieudonne3715 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank for what you do to help out.... Let's say on a 50k account , I reach the safety net of $2600 and my profit is only $1000.(53600); how would the 30% negative P&L apply?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're most welcome! So if you reach a $53,600 balance, your profit is $3600 (not $1000). Anything over $50,000 is considered profit. With a $53,600 balance you are above the safety net but not at 2x the safety net. So your 30% will be based on your START of day profit. $3600 x 0.3 = $1080. The total of your open trades should never exceed $1080. Hope this helps!

  • @MusicOverseer
    @MusicOverseer 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    does this apply to open profits in a trade if your up 1k and it drop 30% and back up is that a rule break?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey! So if you're up $1k in a trade, and your profit drops to $700 (losing 30% of the profit), that is NOT a rule violation. The 30% is based on the drawdown ONLY while in any series of trades at any given time. So if you're in 4 trades at one time, the total drawdown between ALL 4 trades cannot exceed 30% at any given time. Hope that helps! :)

  • @daytradinglikeapredator8941
    @daytradinglikeapredator8941 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks for clarifying and the math

  • @DdotParsons
    @DdotParsons 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Will I get denied by 30% drawdown rule if I violated once during a 19 trading day period?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Unfortunately, there's a possibility. You just have to request and see. Hopefully since it's a 1x breach in 19 days vs 8 days they will be lenient. Despite John saying 1 breach won't get you denied, it's up to the payout team. Alot of what he says doesn't actually happen. Apex's right hand never knows what the left is doing.

  • @jovy931
    @jovy931 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So if i make 2 trades and am down 800 bucks on my 50k account but make it all back on my 3rd trade with profit is the breaking the rule?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Remember this rule is based on your OPEN trades. If you're just down $800 after closing 2 trades, you're fine. But if those 2 trades were open at the same time and you closed them because your unrealized losses totaled $800, you've broken the rule (if your balance is still within the safety net).

  • @mamadoudiaby3648
    @mamadoudiaby3648 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please explain to me what happens if I go past the 30% for one trade ? Just one trade

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Despite John saying they won't penalize you for breaching the 30% rule just once, it's up to the discrection of the payout team member who is reviewing your account. There is a chance you'll still be denied even with one violation. Just request and take the chance. If you get denied, trade 8 more days and just make $50-100 and not breach any rules and you'll get approved!

  • @Lucy-ui8og
    @Lucy-ui8og หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does this apply if you are not funded yet? I think yesterday I did have a big 40% drawdown but I didn’t lost the account.
    I try to pass quickly

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No! These rules are strictly for PAs. You can do whatever you want in eval as long as you don't breach the trailing drawdown.

  • @MusicOverseer
    @MusicOverseer 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what if you just 100 up from safety net on 50k account would it still be 750? or 30?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you're up $100 from the safety net, it would be 30% of the total profit which is $2700 at that time.
      $2700 x 0.3 = $810 -- remember it's based on the start of day profit!

  • @Momotto-i4o
    @Momotto-i4o 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    From what you said, its not a 50k account we have but rather a 2,500 account, as the calculations align with that. If you truly had a 50k account, 30% would amount to 15k. This so-called rule should really be called the 1.5% rule. Stop twisting words-people are desperate, and that's how they profit.😂😂

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey! Sorry I had a word filtered on my channel and it hid your comment. All prop accounts are really the amount of your drawdown. Anyone who treats a $50k like $50,000 is doing themselves a disservice. Because the account really is a $2500 account, it's a 30% rule not a 1.5% rule.

  • @ill7221
    @ill7221 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it on a single trade ?

    • @ill7221
      @ill7221 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think your providing wrong information

    • @hc3550
      @hc3550 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yes.

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's your unrealized total PNL on all open trades at any given time.

  • @bluesqueen2350
    @bluesqueen2350 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can they just let you announce the changes? :)

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      if only...lol I'm gonna do a 5 min video on Apex rules soon. Simple and to the point! lol

  • @Tom-jz3zm
    @Tom-jz3zm หลายเดือนก่อน

    so under the starting drawdown, 2500, i cant go under 750 in a trade? but what if i end the day at -500, so then my dd is 2000, 2nd day: so then i cant go below 600 then (30%dd) of 2k?

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey! sorry for the super late reply, but for as long as you are below the safety net (2600 on the 50k), you cant go more than $750 negative. It's static at $750 while below the safety net.

  • @NewsonHuey
    @NewsonHuey หลายเดือนก่อน

    they sent an email and said this rule is not concrete or forced it is just a "line in the sand".. now i don't know if that means if the rule is broken.. ex: trader has a 100k account and they lose $2500 on a trade, then trade out of drawdown, make that back and request a pay out they will be denied... i don't think that would be fair based on the "line in the sand" comment; still seems like it needs to be clarified

    • @hafizzimohamad5204
      @hafizzimohamad5204 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bullshit rule I say. What not concrete, they deny payout even if you touch the 30% line even once in your 8days of trading.

    • @NewsonHuey
      @NewsonHuey 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hafizzimohamad5204 i hope not, i have the email that says it is a "line in the sand" and to keep trading if its broken and not to worry. the website mentions up to 50% can be allowed once or twice as an exception i think. a lot of the rules i find lack clarity and it is tough because trading is all probability and no one can predict what the market will do so i think flexibility is important. and if the 30% is so major they should lock traders accounts for the day if it is violated.. traders have different styles as well and not every trader will see the same opportunities so i think having more understanding towards thats is key. but i do understand rules are neccessary but i think more warnings ahead of time are needed and if a trader makes the payout at least give them their payout and warn them of violated rules that have to be fixed before the next payout.. just my 2 cents

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yeah honestly I don't like the "line in the sand" stuff. The FAQ states that a rule break here and there won't get your payout denied (except the 30% consistency since it's a hard, set rule). Multiple violations can lead to probation, suspension, payout restrictions, etc depending on the severity and how often it happens. I just say don't break the rules and give them the opportunity to deny you.

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      they say it's not a hard breach and won't 100% lead to a denial, but it's best to just not breach it at all not even by $1.

    • @NewsonHuey
      @NewsonHuey 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KeAmberTrades facts. they don't even tell you why they denied you though

  • @Tom-jz3zm
    @Tom-jz3zm หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks! its not a simple rule ok, what was not simple and misunderstanding was the rule in itself with no simple explanation either

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's simple. 30% of initial drawdown while below the safety net
      30% of total profit in account while above the safety net
      50% of total profit if your profit is 2x the safety net.

  • @raminonstuff
    @raminonstuff หลายเดือนก่อน

    $4500 for the 150K is a mistake on your first list of numbers. Am I right?

    • @hc3550
      @hc3550 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yes that is a typo

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yes, sorry. Thought I double checked lol

  • @traderboi2662
    @traderboi2662 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On the first phase slide I'm assuming the 4500 for the 150k is a typo? 😂

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah it is lol I was editing the numbers and didn't realize I didn't edit that one lol

  • @midesmedia
    @midesmedia หลายเดือนก่อน

    Isn't this just a soft brech? I broke that rule a couple of times, and my account has not been disabled.

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Some of the rules are soft breaches, yes but they can still lead to payout denials. The only reason your account will be placed on probation, suspension, etc is if the severity or frequency is high.

  • @ricoallbymyself
    @ricoallbymyself 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    APEX has some dumb rules.

  • @AmillCapital
    @AmillCapital หลายเดือนก่อน

    So with a 50k account I able to make .50% of 2600 or 5.000

    • @hc3550
      @hc3550 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      you can take trades with $750 stop loss...you will make much more than 5 dollars.

    • @ardiajazi9486
      @ardiajazi9486 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hc3550 i dont think its a non explained rule. if ur up 2.5 dont lose 750,if your up 5k dont lose 1.5

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it's not about how much you can/cannot make. you can make as much money as you want. you have to make sure you are following the risk parameters/rules.

  • @moniquebrown-mustafa8209
    @moniquebrown-mustafa8209 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @hbicee64
    @hbicee64 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Welp that’s my last time buying a apex accout

    • @Tom-jz3zm
      @Tom-jz3zm หลายเดือนก่อน

      same rfkn bs

    • @KeAmberTrades
      @KeAmberTrades  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      why's that? Do you generally risk more than 30% of your available drawdown/profit at any given time?

  • @TKivisto10
    @TKivisto10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This drawdown is absolute trash, what's the point of having a 100k account when if you're down -1% then it's game over... What a joke.

    • @stevegomes-y3s
      @stevegomes-y3s หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

    • @johini
      @johini หลายเดือนก่อน

      don’t look at it from the number of equity look at it from the amount of drawdown you get

    • @NewsonHuey
      @NewsonHuey หลายเดือนก่อน

      did you get the email where apex said this rule is a line in the sand and if you violate it, just keep trading? i presumed its a rule to help traders have better risk management but if violated it won't be a reason for account termination or payout denial. . .theres no clarity on how it is enforced

    • @Momotto-i4o
      @Momotto-i4o 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed

    • @hc3550
      @hc3550 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      its not a 100k account. the account size is your drawdown, get that straight.