There is no better time for me to watch your video than now. I have three evaluation accounts of the 300k accounts with APEX I started over the weekend, I caught very consistent good trades on a big move today and I am up 12k, 11k and 10k on the three account on day 1...….Crazy hun 😁. I knew I have to do it differently going forward to protect the accounts before I blow them all. I will surely take your advice and scale down on my contract sizes. Its been three years of trying, still have a long way to go....I will follow you to better refine my style of trading for the long haul.
Aggressive is good. Controled aggression is even better. Scalping style works best with these Apex accounts. On the 300K accounts you got $7500 to work with so 5 to 10 contracts is about how much that account can handle. good luck and see you in the room.
@@arhambom4799 You want someone else to do all the work for you so you don't have to face your inner demons? That's a special kind of lazy that always ends up in losses.
You are spot on with the larger accounts - They give you FLEXBILITY to enter/scale/exit trades as needed. When I switched from 50k accounts to 300k accounts my trading exploded, because I no longer feared the trailing drawdown!
after many failed attempts due to oversizing.. i finally got funded and now trade on a PA account. it really is important to not oversize while trying to reach your goal.
Most traders do not realize the power of one contract Mini or even Micro. When you are trading calm and not afraid of one trade blowing up your account you simply make better decisions . Trading success is all about staying focused and making quality trades based on a mathematical edge. Wish you luck and fortune.
It's true most don't realize their capital isn't the account amount (50k or whatever). Their capital is the threshold amount. They should not be risking more than 1-3% of that threshold on any given trade until they are past the trailing stop point.
Very helpful! Brand new to Apex / Futures @ 25K account . Coming from mt4/5 fx so I'm in the overwhelmed & confused stage right now......NinjaTrader, Rithmic, Rtrader, Tradovate, trailing thresh.....yikes...tons to learn - won't be trading for awhile - good thing I went in cheep! So grateful for folks like yourself lending a helping hand....liked and subscribed!
Thank you for the sub and will be dropping educational materials soon. Stay tuned. It can be overwellming at first. Take it slow and one step at a time. only trade when you are ready.
Your explanations were right to the point and no nonsense. People need to be very careful on messages and tips from the prop vendor interviews as they will tell you it is easy. No! The whole prop business is designed to fail you. That’s why retail traders are called the dumb money. 😢
@harmonytrader I trade 2 nq 1 to stop at 30 ticks and I trail with my last contract. Once I hit my first target I move my stop to 5 ticks above my cost. So it's risk free at that point
Hi George! Thank you for making this video! The rule is really to trade 1-2-3micros tops. If you target $50-100 a day you will never blow the account. Once you pass one, just buy 10-20 of them and keep the risk extremely low - that’s it! Hope you consider affordable indicators trade copier;) 😊
After you pass a challenge and get a PA, you can just buy more PA accounts without having to pass them? Or do you have to pass the challenge for every new account?
Man this vid came at the right time for me. Been suffering since Friday. Can't sleep. Have no interest on doing things. I've blown 10 PA accounts on 5/19/23.
Sorry to hear that my man. Get back at it and win. You can join us at our private room where we discuss signals and trade live and real time Apex accounts. Join here: bit.ly/3t7Hc79
Stop flushing your money down the drain. You need to work on your trading skills and trade with a free demo account. You can setup the trailing threshold rules and trade just like the evaluation and PA accounts without risking a penny of your money. You need to prove you can consistently trade with the demo account before moving to the funded account process.
@@CiscoMedia76 I've been trading for years now. I'm currently trading with 10 PA accounts that I've passed a week ago. I learnt from my mistake. Thank you for your input
Good video. Copy trading snd linking multiple accounts while reducing risk and being very selective is the key. Most traders want to make 100k off a 25k account snd dont realize making 100k off a $1M account is MUCH easier.
Incredibly helpful! Would love a follow up video as you mentioned on: sizing, adding to winners, scaling in, out. Those details are often the missing pieces to many Trader’s systems! Thanks for sharing
Great Advice I Think! Thx!! PS: What was also cool seeing, was your (Withdraws), because I think it reminds us, that it's pretty Freakn' Awesome that someone/Group is allowing us to manage their money really From Home, OR from the Camp Ground, and then if we just take our time being patient waiting for the right set up, and we just don't oversize, then they/Group whatever Prop firm that is, Pays Us Great as well, all from home, or wherever else we may find the most peace in life, to (work). Pretty fair & Cool agreement I think.
Im thinking of getting 20 x $300k accounts on ETF and I've been struggling to understand intraday trailing drawdown and how to manage it for some time now, and this video has done that for me, thanks ❤ (Will update when I get them)
The Trailing Drawdown follows your equity High. so IF you have $7500 risk capital and where up $2500 but you let the trade go back to breakeven. You just lost $2500 of your risk capital even thu you did not lose actual money. Now you have $5000 to work with. This type of threshold makes you more focused on scalping vs Swing Trading to manage this type of structure. You can Use "Oharmony" discount code and link :apextraderfunding.com/member/aff/go/harmonytrader?c=OHarmony . Also, You can join our free Private room at bit.ly/3t7Hc79 and will show you how to manage this type of trading. Good luck
Good advice on sizing. I've been trading for over 20 years and in the process of teaching a few individuals how to earn. Decided to use Apex for their funded account program. My initial position size is 2 e-minis for a 50,000 account.
On 50K account 1-2 contracts is about as far as that account can handle. You can get additional flexiblity to your trading when you convert to micro. 10 to 20 micros can offer you the flexiblity to scale in and out and cut down on the noise of some of tradering signals. Emotional control is a bigger factor to Apex and trading in general but the added pressure in the trailing threshold means the trader need to be as close to equity high as possible. That lend it self to a scalping strategy . Targets of 10 to 20 pnt Nq and 2.5 to 5 point scalps in Es is what keeps you competitive in Apex accounts.
yes it will be the same 80% then once you pass it to PA then the fee for the account wither $93 after tax / monthly or if you take the unlimited month option it will be around $150 one time fee
So on a 50k account my drawdown is calculated $2500 from your highest P&L ? So if I go down $2400 then come all the way back to $2400 my drawdown is back to $2500 ?
Hey! i have passed 3 x 50 accounts due to overtrading and a lot of luck. i need help trading with the PA. Are you streaming daily? is it daily signals? whats your monthly fee?
Hi Abilas. we stream daily on youtube and also on our private zoom room. We day trade and have many Traders within our echo system that trade and have gotten paid from apex. You can get a free trial bit.ly/3t7Hc79
Question, how many PAs you have and how many withdrawals have you taken so far? I'm getting some stats that, about 6% traders pass these challenges and less than 1.5% make it to the payouts/keep their PAs for a reasonable amount of time. Not with APEX, in general with any prop firm. Let's say, if APEX has 30,000 traders, only about 400 traders making it to the payouts. It's extremely hard for traders and a great business for prop firms.
I am not concerned about their business model and how hard it is. I am simply going to get it done. I got three payments out of them so far and details are in this video. I currently have 3 Pa accounts and working on more. I should be getting paid from them soon and will update everyone with the amount and Deel screen shots. Best of luck
What do you mean by “make it to the payouts”? I’m under the impression that once you’re funded, your first month you won’t be able to withdraw much of your profit, but after that is wide open.
@Garrett Not true. Example, 50k PA account .if you make $2600 in 10 trading days you qualify to take max 2k within the first month. All the info is in the FAQ on apexfunding website.
Divide your risk by 25 and that will be your risk per trade. Makes $100 per trade. Then you can custom the number of contracts and stop size to adjust to the $100 value.
It's ridiculous that you could be up 1000s/day and hold it through a correction and then get knocked out in a move that goes on to advance to a greater extreme. It seems more like an obstacle course than a contest. It almost forces one to cut your winners short. Is there a trailing drawdown for PA and Live Accounts? (It's been awhile since I looked at their website.)
To swing trade and look for big targets you need to buy the bigger accounts like the 250K or 300K. The smaller accounts are good for scalping and you have to be careful with the trailing threshold. Trading is always an obstacle course . Not easy but worth it. good luck.
Do I have to fill out anything or do anything special after passing the evaluation? or I can start withdrawn after passing the evaluation on the account?
you will get an email from Apex to pay the PA fee and has all the details of what is next. Then you can start working on making money that you can withdraw
That is the correct approach. simply size correctly to the account and take the highest quality setup. focus on trading the first hour and half . get green and get out of the way. Rinse and repeat. good luck
My problem with these funded accounts is the fact that your not actually trading anything on live markets. When you make a trade nothing is actually sent to a market maker.. You are basically trading on a demo account. The profit you make comes from their evaluation fees and resets.
@@futures003 True as far as I am concerned the money is green and once you show consistancy Apex will connect you to the real live market. And take this . If you are good Mr Martin will copy your account into his. LOL
@@Ayden43v3r yes.. he said it in one of the interviews . Be honest with you. It's not a big deal. If I see a good trader I would copy his trades as well. How is your Apex Doing?
on demo, the problem lies in the fact that there is no liquidity being added or taken away from the market. so, you are not assisting with an up/down move. you're not really there.
Example 3 micro with 17 point stop on Nq is a $100 that gives you 14 trades to make it work. You need closer to 25 trades, so adjust the contracts and stop to reflect 25 bets per account.
@@harmonytrader thank you, I think it works on /ES, not sure about NQ since I only trade /ES. On 3 micros I would use a stop of 4 points so $60 loss per losing trade plus commissions a little under 25 trades. Maybe 23 losses in a row to blow my account. I passed the 25k eval in 4 days taking 10 micros per trade scalping 4 points but I didn't size down once I got my PA account & blew up in a week with revenge trading/overtrading. Not sure if I should take my time passing the Eval with proper sizing or trying to pass it quickly again. I'm waiting for a 80% discount but preferably a 90% discount to get 5 evals & trade them all simultaneously. I'm thinking it makes more sense to pass them with proper sizing since I risk losing more money if blow up having to reset all of them
Thank you for you video. I have a quit question. I pass a 50k account and I know I have to get to 52600 to get a payout and to stop the traling threshold, if I get 2000 on payout. That me means that I have to build my traling threshold again?
@@estivenmarte5193 The first time you get to $2600 at that moment your threshold stops. You collect $2000 and you have $600 left. You build that back up to $2600 without any concern about a threshold to request your second payment.
Thank you for your transparency on the payouts. You got a subscriber. For a 300k eval account, how much contracts would you recommend with on the initial entry and add ons later?
1 to 3 contracts max on the position. You want to give yourself flexibility in a range.divide your risk by 25 trades and that is the max amount you can lose per decision.
@@dragon98609 Yes but after taking profit on the first contract and not more than equal the # of the remaining units. so if you have two contracts and sold on for profit. you have one contract left and you can add one.
@@dragon98609 yes, In this video I show some of the accounts I got funded and paid on. Working on more. I trade my personal account and copy into apex.
I was able to pass seven 25k evals one at a time. Trading 1 full NQ contract with a profit goal of $125 a day. So saying you need big accounts is false.
@harmonytrader thanks a lot for your video. Didn't understood how a 300k account gives you more tralling threshold room, can you explain me that please. Thanks in advance.
The trailing threshold is what got you. You where up intraday an amount of money and when you took the drawdown. Your blown level will be higher than $47500. Keep rithmic open so you can see your trailing threshold and know what to expect.
We have Room access only and HTS Purchase options- see attached www.harmonytradingsystem.com/trading-room/ and you can get a free trial in the trading room. here-bit.ly/3t7Hc79
Hey i have a question is there definitive risk management for futures i got a fx background i risk 0.25% standard i see people enter with one contract but wouldn’t that change the pnl because my stoploss would be at different distances from my entry point i can’t wrap my head around that can you help ?
The distance between your entry and your stop is fixed to a number of ticks vs pips and have a specific value you control. So you know how much money you will lose if you get stopped out.
@@harmonytrader How do we calculate how many contracts to enter in with i know 1 point is 4 ticks on ES so therefore does that mean one contract is 50$ ? thanks
@@abzmaliboy1160 you have to calculate how much money you want to risk per trade. so If you can aford $200 per trade then that is 1 contract with 4 point stop. or 4 contracts with a one point stop. Why would you do one vs the other? Your market read dictates what option you choose and how much flexiblity you need for your idea to work. giving yourself 4 points for your trade to work has a higher success chance than giving it only one point.
@@harmonytraderHey sir i really appreciate the transparency and answers ! so would u recommend starting off with micro contracts then once u have some buffer switching to regulars cons for like a 100k apex account
@@abzmaliboy1160 absolutely, Since you are new to this. You will make mistakes and you are better off making them with Micro contracts. We help trader pass Apex accounts. You can join us for a free trial bit.ly/3t7Hc79 and we appreciate your support by using or Apex code : PBZNODFC
You can trade futures but not spot see list of Apex Instruments to trade : support.apextraderfunding.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404866639131-What-Instruments-can-I-trade-
just wondering, i got the $50k acc but in the ninjatrader it says i have $100k. how do i meet the $3000? would i need to double it to $6000? been trying to find the answer to this but cant find. pls help :)
Follow whats on the Dashboard in your Apex login- on a 50K account you have an evaluation phase to accomplish 3K with 2500 risk and a threshold that can eat into that risk #. Once you pass the evaluation and pay your PA funding fee. You continue to have the threshold till you achieve $2600 in the account. At this point you qualify to withdraw $ out of the account. min $1000 per pay period and you get 2 pay periods per month.
say u make 2700$ first day on eval account then next day you blow 1500$ does that mean your account is done ? cus i tried to place a trade but it has it on a lock by administrator
depends. if $1500 blew the account then you reached your trailing threshold. remember it’s the highest unrealized mark that it trails from, not end of day or closed p&l
On your rithmic Dashboard check the Auto liquidation balance and deduct it from your current balance and that is the amount you can risk for the account. Traders need to allow themselves min 25 trades per account in order to operate effectively in the markets. Divide the Risk capital by 25 and that is how much you can expense each trade. Example. 50K account has $2500 stated risk so that makes it $100 per trade.
The threshold disapper once you hit your target for the PA account. Example 50K, you need to hit $2600. Then your account $50100 and the threshold goes away.
The first account in November of 2022 and took me 2 months and in February I got paid twice on one account. Now I have 7 PA accounts and working on getting them over the payment threshold.
@@harmonytrader Sorry, commented a similar question under another comment for another person - what exactly is this gap of “PA account” to one in which you can withdraw? I’m under the impression that once you’re funded, your first month you won’t be able to withdraw much of your profit, but after that is wide open. Thanks.
@Garrett in a 50k account, you have to make $2600 in a min of 10 days and can cash out max 2k. All info and video of how this work on apexfunding website under FAQ section.
@@AM-hl4tv yes.. you have to hit that amount to qualify for your intial withdrawl of max 2k and min of $500 on a 50K account. So if you do not hit it in the first month. then you got the second month to try.
So true. I got 3 funded right now, and I almost lost one shorting today. Traded only 2 micros and was down $150 and averaged down and ended up being down $800 of drawdown. But I was finally able to close trade out for $200 this time. I got lucky
Winning is a habit my man. Glad you got the trade working for you. Sometimes the market is not that kind and giving. We trade live daily in our private room Join here: bit.ly/3t7Hc79 . Keep learning and growing.
So is the threshold only activated once the trade is closed ? Or if you’re up big on a trade and close for a smaller win does the range negatively affect you ?
I’m curious, if you’re trading say 10 contracts of /ES and your take profit is set at $500, it barely has to move in your favor to hit that $500 before possibly pulling back. Typically takes a few seconds, definitely within that same candle. Just knocking out 6 of those in a row would check the box for your 3k goal. Why not do that? Ie, set an OCO with $-200 and TP of $500 especially if it’s already moving in a certain direction. What am I missing? Obviously it can move in the opposite direction too but it’s not hard to figure out what’s happening in the next few seconds.
You will be trading in the Noise with that tight of a stop and that many contracts. You will hit a lot more stops than profit. You better off reducing the size and giving yourself more room for the trade to work. This is a trade idea that sounds and look reasonable on paper. However, Once you apply it to a real market the dynamics of Price action will render it as a loosing strategy. Thank you for sharing your Ideas with us. keep it coming.
Easy way to get past the unrealized profit trailing stop is to go with a company that doesn't force dumbass rules on you 😂 there are better options out there people
*Step 1:* Don't join this scam brokerage that sells your orderflow and never pays out. *Step 2:* Actually learn how to trade by backtesting. That's it, you're welcome.
You really Think so. Many Traders have gotten paid from the ATF funded account program. They will give you an opportunity to hone your trading skills without taking risk with your own capital. Good luck to you.
There is no better time for me to watch your video than now. I have three evaluation accounts of the 300k accounts with APEX I started over the weekend, I caught very consistent good trades on a big move today and I am up 12k, 11k and 10k on the three account on day 1...….Crazy hun 😁. I knew I have to do it differently going forward to protect the accounts before I blow them all. I will surely take your advice and scale down on my contract sizes. Its been three years of trying, still have a long way to go....I will follow you to better refine my style of trading for the long haul.
Aggressive is good. Controled aggression is even better. Scalping style works best with these Apex accounts. On the 300K accounts you got $7500 to work with so 5 to 10 contracts is about how much that account can handle. good luck and see you in the room.
@@harmonytrader best way is to move slow in the PA so that you use up useless waiting days before payouts
Bro do u provide signals to pass funded accounts?
@@arhambom4799 You want someone else to do all the work for you so you don't have to face your inner demons? That's a special kind of lazy that always ends up in losses.
You are spot on with the larger accounts - They give you FLEXBILITY to enter/scale/exit trades as needed. When I switched from 50k accounts to 300k accounts my trading exploded, because I no longer feared the trailing drawdown!
size does mattter ..🙃
@@harmonytraderthat’s what she said
@@harmonytrader Women who tell you that size doesn't matter never had a really BIG one. - Stephen Singer Jewelers
🤣😂🤣
@@TraderBodacious
I hope my woman never had a BIG ONE 😞
after many failed attempts due to oversizing.. i finally got funded and now trade on a PA account. it really is important to not oversize while trying to reach your goal.
Most traders do not realize the power of one contract Mini or even Micro. When you are trading calm and not afraid of one trade blowing up your account you simply make better decisions . Trading success is all about staying focused and making quality trades based on a mathematical edge. Wish you luck and fortune.
@@harmonytraderso true. I go back in time all the time and look at $NQ and $ES ON THE DAY. Most moves do 2k on just one contract if you hold
It took me 10 failed forex accounts before I finally admitted this. I’ve had my last account for several months but I’m switching to futures now
Failed 5 times doing exactly this. Lol..small size..bigger moves. Less stress. Trade micros.
It's true most don't realize their capital isn't the account amount (50k or whatever). Their capital is the threshold amount. They should not be risking more than 1-3% of that threshold on any given trade until they are past the trailing stop point.
Thank you for sharing your insight! It's crucial to understand the concept of capital and risk management in trading.
So true and such a good reminder! On a 50K we are really trading a 2K account and the trailing threshold leaves no room for drawdown.
@@KathrynAlders The 25K and 50K . Traders need to trade micro and not mini. Gives you a chance to manage risk much better.
Small Scalping is the way to pass evals. After that you can trade any way you choose.
Very helpful!
Brand new to Apex / Futures @ 25K account . Coming from mt4/5 fx so I'm in the overwhelmed & confused stage right now......NinjaTrader, Rithmic, Rtrader, Tradovate, trailing thresh.....yikes...tons to learn - won't be trading for awhile - good thing I went in cheep!
So grateful for folks like yourself lending a helping hand....liked and subscribed!
Thank you for the sub and will be dropping educational materials soon. Stay tuned. It can be overwellming at first. Take it slow and one step at a time. only trade when you are ready.
Yes sir....thanks and I'll be watching!@@harmonytrader
You covered all the points it took me 2 years to realize through trial and error. Amazing video for beginners.
Thank you for Watching. Will be releasing more Apex content soon. Keep working on it. Get better and better every day.
@@harmonytrader awesome, looking forward!
Your explanations were right to the point and no nonsense. People need to be very careful on messages and tips from the prop vendor interviews as they will tell you it is easy. No! The whole prop business is designed to fail you. That’s why retail traders are called the dumb money. 😢
This is helpful. Oversizing has been killing me. I'm taking your advice.
On a 50 K account max is 2 mini but if you trade micro's and have more flexiblity to add in a range.
@harmonytrader I trade 2 nq 1 to stop at 30 ticks and I trail with my last contract. Once I hit my first target I move my stop to 5 ticks above my cost. So it's risk free at that point
But I also have a software that cost 5k woth 4 months of class that taught me. I'm up 87k in the last 2 and a half weeks
Hi George! Thank you for making this video! The rule is really to trade 1-2-3micros tops. If you target $50-100 a day you will never blow the account. Once you pass one, just buy 10-20 of them and keep the risk extremely low - that’s it! Hope you consider affordable indicators trade copier;) 😊
Thank you. I am looking at the indicators . out of town next week hunting and will touch base with you after Monday 27
After you pass a challenge and get a PA, you can just buy more PA accounts without having to pass them? Or do you have to pass the challenge for every new account?
Man this vid came at the right time for me. Been suffering since Friday. Can't sleep. Have no interest on doing things. I've blown 10 PA accounts on 5/19/23.
Sorry to hear that my man. Get back at it and win. You can join us at our private room where we discuss signals and trade live and real time Apex accounts. Join here: bit.ly/3t7Hc79
Stop flushing your money down the drain. You need to work on your trading skills and trade with a free demo account. You can setup the trailing threshold rules and trade just like the evaluation and PA accounts without risking a penny of your money. You need to prove you can consistently trade with the demo account before moving to the funded account process.
@@CiscoMedia76 I've been trading for years now. I'm currently trading with 10 PA accounts that I've passed a week ago. I learnt from my mistake. Thank you for your input
My advice is keep it small to $200 daily on a 10 pa that’s 60k payout from $200 daily on each account
Good video. Copy trading snd linking multiple accounts while reducing risk and being very selective is the key. Most traders want to make 100k off a 25k account snd dont realize making 100k off a $1M account is MUCH easier.
Very True
Incredibly helpful! Would love a follow up video as you mentioned on: sizing, adding to winners, scaling in, out. Those details are often the missing pieces to many Trader’s systems! Thanks for sharing
Thank you and working on one right now and will update you all soon. I appreciate the follow.
@@harmonytrader very excited for that! Thank you I’ll be on the look out for it 🤗
If you know what you're doing, the trail is not an issue as long as you are not over sizing.
I passed mine at max contracts. I scaled it right back after passing the account & getting funded.
How you doing now with your PA's? Size does matter and will make a difference in passing the PA or not. good luck
Great Advice I Think! Thx!! PS: What was also cool seeing, was your (Withdraws), because I think it reminds us, that it's pretty Freakn' Awesome that someone/Group is allowing us to manage their money really From Home, OR from the Camp Ground, and then if we just take our time being patient waiting for the right set up, and we just don't oversize, then they/Group whatever Prop firm that is, Pays Us Great as well, all from home, or wherever else we may find the most peace in life, to (work). Pretty fair & Cool agreement I think.
Yes. Its super cool and it pays. Got to learn the process and be patient and then $ follows.
The man is cool as a cucumber as the trade rockets north in the green. Nice work brutha
Thank you. One trade at a time. let's do it
Im thinking of getting 20 x $300k accounts on ETF and I've been struggling to understand intraday trailing drawdown and how to manage it for some time now, and this video has done that for me, thanks ❤
(Will update when I get them)
The Trailing Drawdown follows your equity High. so IF you have $7500 risk capital and where up $2500 but you let the trade go back to breakeven. You just lost $2500 of your risk capital even thu you did not lose actual money. Now you have $5000 to work with. This type of threshold makes you more focused on scalping vs Swing Trading to manage this type of structure. You can Use "Oharmony" discount code and link :apextraderfunding.com/member/aff/go/harmonytrader?c=OHarmony . Also, You can join our free Private room at bit.ly/3t7Hc79 and will show you how to manage this type of trading. Good luck
@harmonytrader thanks man 🙏
I passed 25k account! Yay! So When I start trading my funded account - is there also same trailing stop, like it was on evaluation?
yes same as Evaluation but once you get above it the trailing threshold will end . Congrats
I am not with Apex, but is the same with every one. This is so helpfull, 🙏
Good advice on sizing. I've been trading for over 20 years and in the process of teaching a few individuals how to earn. Decided to use Apex for their funded account program. My initial position size is 2 e-minis for a 50,000 account.
On 50K account 1-2 contracts is about as far as that account can handle. You can get additional flexiblity to your trading when you convert to micro. 10 to 20 micros can offer you the flexiblity to scale in and out and cut down on the noise of some of tradering signals. Emotional control is a bigger factor to Apex and trading in general but the added pressure in the trailing threshold means the trader need to be as close to equity high as possible. That lend it self to a scalping strategy . Targets of 10 to 20 pnt Nq and 2.5 to 5 point scalps in Es is what keeps you competitive in Apex accounts.
@@harmonytrader - I do add in micros as well on my other account.
@@harmonytrader What is the difference in transactions costs for the micros? Is it proportional or does it cost more in overall transaction fees?
hey, once i receive the PA account then what would be the monthly fees? still, remain same with 80% off? regardless of the account size?
yes it will be the same 80% then once you pass it to PA then the fee for the account wither $93 after tax / monthly or if you take the unlimited month option it will be around $150 one time fee
Great breakdown, thats what im aiming for. 1 mini or 2 micros on 50-100ks $100 in 2 trades and calling it a day
Slow and steady wins. Focus on consistency vs $ and that will carry you thru it to the finish line.
Yessir, thank you! @@harmonytrader
EXCELLENT advice! Nice job.
Thank you Bart. One trade at a time.
So on a 50k account my drawdown is calculated $2500 from your highest P&L ? So if I go down $2400 then come all the way back to $2400 my drawdown is back to $2500 ?
Hey! i have passed 3 x 50 accounts due to overtrading and a lot of luck. i need help trading with the PA. Are you streaming daily? is it daily signals? whats your monthly fee?
Hi Abilas. we stream daily on youtube and also on our private zoom room. We day trade and have many Traders within our echo system that trade and have gotten paid from apex. You can get a free trial bit.ly/3t7Hc79
Do you get to keep the money you made during the evaluation stage? Or only once you have a PA and reach the profit target?
Only once you get a PA and reach the profit Target? The Evaluation phase is just that. A way to qualify you for the next stage.
Question, how many PAs you have and how many withdrawals have you taken so far?
I'm getting some stats that, about 6% traders pass these challenges and less than 1.5% make it to the payouts/keep their PAs for a reasonable amount of time. Not with APEX, in general with any prop firm. Let's say, if APEX has 30,000 traders, only about 400 traders making it to the payouts. It's extremely hard for traders and a great business for prop firms.
I am not concerned about their business model and how hard it is. I am simply going to get it done. I got three payments out of them so far and details are in this video. I currently have 3 Pa accounts and working on more. I should be getting paid from them soon and will update everyone with the amount and Deel screen shots. Best of luck
What do you mean by “make it to the payouts”? I’m under the impression that once you’re funded, your first month you won’t be able to withdraw much of your profit, but after that is wide open.
@Garrett Not true. Example, 50k PA account .if you make $2600 in 10 trading days you qualify to take max 2k within the first month. All the info is in the FAQ on apexfunding website.
That’s because most traders aren’t profitable as well.
When you hit your profit threshold on a paid account how much money do you leave for cushion?
The First few accounts you pass. Take all the money out. The next set of accounts I take 1/3 and keep building the account to a new equity high.
@@harmonytraderbut what about your threshold level after? Example on 50k you get to 52600 and withdraw 2000 that only leaves $600 in threshold?
@@ItsWassupDoe Once you get to $2600 your threshold is no longet active. You simply have $600 in equity left.
@@harmonytrader so realistically you want to get to $4500 in profit before you would pull out $2000 so you still have $2500. Threshold?
😀 Happy days Cheers Good info
Thank you.. Enjoy yours
Great advices. Thank you!
Good day sir, please advice what is the best lot size for a 50k eval account and how many contracts per trade?
Divide your risk by 25 and that will be your risk per trade. Makes $100 per trade. Then you can custom the number of contracts and stop size to adjust to the $100 value.
@@harmonytrader thanks
It's ridiculous that you could be up 1000s/day and hold it through a correction and then get knocked out in a move that goes on to advance to a greater extreme. It seems more like an obstacle course than a contest. It almost forces one to cut your winners short. Is there a trailing drawdown for PA and Live Accounts? (It's been awhile since I looked at their website.)
To swing trade and look for big targets you need to buy the bigger accounts like the 250K or 300K. The smaller accounts are good for scalping and you have to be careful with the trailing threshold. Trading is always an obstacle course . Not easy but worth it. good luck.
Which renko bars are you using ?
NinzaRenko bars
How did you get your candles that way?
They are ninzarenko candles. You cN get a free trial @ www.harmonytradingsystem.com
How do you start the eval once you have everything set up
you will get an email from ATF with instructions to download software and username and passward to use to access market data and trade.
@@harmonytrader I set all of that stuff up, I see my account here inside of ninja trader does the eval start once I start trading?
@@okchaz6634 Did you get started yet?
Do I have to fill out anything or do anything special after passing the evaluation? or I can start withdrawn after passing the evaluation on the account?
you will get an email from Apex to pay the PA fee and has all the details of what is next. Then you can start working on making money that you can withdraw
Some say Apex:
No News Trading
NY Open not allowed
Is that true?
Thanks
No. That was a restriction in the past and they no longer have a restriction on news trading.
I have lost 3 eval (-90% so 50$) because i used 5 contract mini on ES.
Got 2 new account and i’m gonna limit myself to 1 and 2 if the setup is AAAA+
That is the correct approach. simply size correctly to the account and take the highest quality setup. focus on trading the first hour and half . get green and get out of the way. Rinse and repeat. good luck
@@harmonytrader yeah i could go up to 2500$ but over trading … thanks for responding
Hi, when price goes against me I lose money way faster than when I'm winning, I'm using market orders what should I do
My problem with these funded accounts is the fact that your not actually trading anything on live markets. When you make a trade nothing is actually sent to a market maker.. You are basically trading on a demo account. The profit you make comes from their evaluation fees and resets.
Why does it matter? Either way you are getting paid out who cares?
@@futures003 True as far as I am concerned the money is green and once you show consistancy Apex will connect you to the real live market. And take this . If you are good Mr Martin will copy your account into his. LOL
@@harmonytrader really?!?
@@Ayden43v3r yes.. he said it in one of the interviews . Be honest with you. It's not a big deal. If I see a good trader I would copy his trades as well. How is your Apex Doing?
on demo, the problem lies in the fact that there is no liquidity being added or taken away from the market. so, you are not assisting with an up/down move. you're not really there.
On a 25k eval 3 micros would be the correct sizing right?
Example 3 micro with 17 point stop on Nq is a $100 that gives you 14 trades to make it work. You need closer to 25 trades, so adjust the contracts and stop to reflect 25 bets per account.
@@harmonytrader thank you, I think it works on /ES, not sure about NQ since I only trade /ES. On 3 micros I would use a stop of 4 points so $60 loss per losing trade plus commissions a little under 25 trades. Maybe 23 losses in a row to blow my account. I passed the 25k eval in 4 days taking 10 micros per trade scalping 4 points but I didn't size down once I got my PA account & blew up in a week with revenge trading/overtrading. Not sure if I should take my time passing the Eval with proper sizing or trying to pass it quickly again. I'm waiting for a 80% discount but preferably a 90% discount to get 5 evals & trade them all simultaneously. I'm thinking it makes more sense to pass them with proper sizing since I risk losing more money if blow up having to reset all of them
Thank you for you video.
I have a quit question.
I pass a 50k account and I know I have to get to 52600 to get a payout and to stop the traling threshold, if I get 2000 on payout. That me means that I have to build my traling threshold again?
No at that point your threshold stops and you have $600 in the account. Then You need to rebuild the account to $2600 to get another payout.
@@harmonytrader so after i build 2600 them my threshold stop and after that i need to make more money to get request a payout.
@@estivenmarte5193 The first time you get to $2600 at that moment your threshold stops. You collect $2000 and you have $600 left. You build that back up to $2600 without any concern about a threshold to request your second payment.
@@harmonytrader thank you very much for your answers. looking forward to see more videos.
Thank you for your transparency on the payouts. You got a subscriber. For a 300k eval account, how much contracts would you recommend with on the initial entry and add ons later?
1 to 3 contracts max on the position. You want to give yourself flexibility in a range.divide your risk by 25 trades and that is the max amount you can lose per decision.
@@harmonytrader thank you. Would you recommend adding to winning positions?
@@dragon98609 Yes but after taking profit on the first contract and not more than equal the # of the remaining units. so if you have two contracts and sold on for profit. you have one contract left and you can add one.
@@harmonytrader got it. Do you personally use Apex? Or any other prop firm?
@@dragon98609 yes, In this video I show some of the accounts I got funded and paid on. Working on more. I trade my personal account and copy into apex.
What indicator are you using?
I was able to pass seven 25k evals one at a time. Trading 1 full NQ contract with a profit goal of $125 a day. So saying you need big accounts is false.
Having a bigger account gives you the flexiblity but does not mean that a smaller account would not work. good job
@harmonytrader thanks a lot for your video. Didn't understood how a 300k account gives you more tralling threshold room, can you explain me that please. Thanks in advance.
Larger threshold but you have to trade smaller size for it to be an advantage.
I'm confused because I blew 3 $50k PA's today. I didn't drop Below $47,500. One of my PA's @ $48,600 and I lost the account.
The trailing threshold is what got you. You where up intraday an amount of money and when you took the drawdown. Your blown level will be higher than $47500. Keep rithmic open so you can see your trailing threshold and know what to expect.
@@harmonytrader thank you 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
whats the cost on the hts?
We have Room access only and HTS Purchase options- see attached www.harmonytradingsystem.com/trading-room/ and you can get a free trial in the trading room. here-bit.ly/3t7Hc79
Good video, thanks
Thank for the follow. We stream daily on youtube at 8:20 AM central
Hey i have a question is there definitive risk management for futures i got a fx background i risk 0.25% standard
i see people enter with one contract but wouldn’t that change the pnl because my stoploss would be at different distances from my entry point i can’t wrap my head around that can you help ?
The distance between your entry and your stop is fixed to a number of ticks vs pips and have a specific value you control. So you know how much money you will lose if you get stopped out.
@@harmonytrader How do we calculate how many contracts to enter in with i know 1 point is 4 ticks on ES so therefore does that mean one contract is 50$ ? thanks
@@abzmaliboy1160 you have to calculate how much money you want to risk per trade. so If you can aford $200 per trade then that is 1 contract with 4 point stop. or 4 contracts with a one point stop. Why would you do one vs the other? Your market read dictates what option you choose and how much flexiblity you need for your idea to work. giving yourself 4 points for your trade to work has a higher success chance than giving it only one point.
@@harmonytraderHey sir i really appreciate the transparency and answers !
so would u recommend starting off with micro contracts then once u have some buffer switching to regulars cons for like a 100k apex account
@@abzmaliboy1160 absolutely, Since you are new to this. You will make mistakes and you are better off making them with Micro contracts. We help trader pass Apex accounts. You can join us for a free trial bit.ly/3t7Hc79 and we appreciate your support by using or Apex code : PBZNODFC
Can you trade forex pairs with Apex?
You can trade futures but not spot see list of Apex Instruments to trade : support.apextraderfunding.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404866639131-What-Instruments-can-I-trade-
10:55 - 11:22 is absolutely the bare minimum approuch.
Less is more. No hype here. Truth be told.
just wondering, i got the $50k acc but in the ninjatrader it says i have $100k. how do i meet the $3000? would i need to double it to $6000? been trying to find the answer to this but cant find. pls help :)
Follow whats on the Dashboard in your Apex login- on a 50K account you have an evaluation phase to accomplish 3K with 2500 risk and a threshold that can eat into that risk #. Once you pass the evaluation and pay your PA funding fee. You continue to have the threshold till you achieve $2600 in the account. At this point you qualify to withdraw $ out of the account. min $1000 per pay period and you get 2 pay periods per month.
@@harmonytrader thankyou, was very helpful. end up figuring it out :)
@@ChaceLovesChips No problem.. good luck and keep working on it. Trading is a journey 😀🤑
@@harmonytrader yeh i love it lol
@@harmonytraderwhat is PA funding fees and is it different from that monthly fees that bough account?
Thank you for this video.
You are Welcome and Good luck on your trading journey.
Great Educational Content, Thanks
Thank and more to come
say u make 2700$ first day on eval account then next day you blow 1500$ does that mean your account is done ? cus i tried to place a trade but it has it on a lock by administrator
depends. if $1500 blew the account then you reached your trailing threshold. remember it’s the highest unrealized mark that it trails from, not end of day or closed p&l
On your rithmic Dashboard check the Auto liquidation balance and deduct it from your current balance and that is the amount you can risk for the account. Traders need to allow themselves min 25 trades per account in order to operate effectively in the markets. Divide the Risk capital by 25 and that is how much you can expense each trade. Example. 50K account has $2500 stated risk so that makes it $100 per trade.
Very very helpful.
With the threshold. Even on a PA account, does it reset everyday or weekly, monthly or lifetime of the account. Not sure how that piece works
The threshold disapper once you hit your target for the PA account. Example 50K, you need to hit $2600. Then your account $50100 and the threshold goes away.
9 to 10 cst?
8:30 AM to 11 AM central time. Private Room and Live Stream is open
you dont use apex paid signals?
I Use the Harmony Trading System- you can get a free trial bit.ly/3t7Hc79
How long did it take you to get your first account?
The first account in November of 2022 and took me 2 months and in February I got paid twice on one account. Now I have 7 PA accounts and working on getting them over the payment threshold.
@@harmonytrader Sorry, commented a similar question under another comment for another person - what exactly is this gap of “PA account” to one in which you can withdraw? I’m under the impression that once you’re funded, your first month you won’t be able to withdraw much of your profit, but after that is wide open. Thanks.
@Garrett in a 50k account, you have to make $2600 in a min of 10 days and can cash out max 2k. All info and video of how this work on apexfunding website under FAQ section.
@@harmonytrader What if you don't make 2.6k in that month, do you just have to wait until the next month to withdraw?
@@AM-hl4tv yes.. you have to hit that amount to qualify for your intial withdrawl of max 2k and min of $500 on a 50K account.
So if you do not hit it in the first month. then you got the second month to try.
So helpful. Thank you.
So true. I got 3 funded right now, and I almost lost one shorting today. Traded only 2 micros and was down $150 and averaged down and ended up being down $800 of drawdown. But I was finally able to close trade out for $200 this time. I got lucky
Winning is a habit my man. Glad you got the trade working for you. Sometimes the market is not that kind and giving. We trade live daily in our private room Join here: bit.ly/3t7Hc79 . Keep learning and growing.
I have 20 50k accounts. Got payed 20k on 10 acc and just withdrew today 40k from 20 accounts so far.
Well 2k each but x20 40k str8 to deel. I'm stoked
@@deeznutz9319 congrats
So is the threshold only activated once the trade is closed ? Or if you’re up big on a trade and close for a smaller win does the range negatively affect you ?
I’m curious, if you’re trading say 10 contracts of /ES and your take profit is set at $500, it barely has to move in your favor to hit that $500 before possibly pulling back. Typically takes a few seconds, definitely within that same candle.
Just knocking out 6 of those in a row would check the box for your 3k goal. Why not do that? Ie, set an OCO with $-200 and TP of $500 especially if it’s already moving in a certain direction.
What am I missing? Obviously it can move in the opposite direction too but it’s not hard to figure out what’s happening in the next few seconds.
You will be trading in the Noise with that tight of a stop and that many contracts. You will hit a lot more stops than profit. You better off reducing the size and giving yourself more room for the trade to work. This is a trade idea that sounds and look reasonable on paper. However, Once you apply it to a real market the dynamics of Price action will render it as a loosing strategy. Thank you for sharing your Ideas with us. keep it coming.
Easy way to get past the unrealized profit trailing stop is to go with a company that doesn't force dumbass rules on you 😂 there are better options out there people
In the Universe of Funded companies Apex is the most flexible. What other companies do you have in mind?
I tend to pass with 50 lots, then am sensible in PA
Is your discord private?
We have a private zoom membership and the feed is faster than youtube stream
@@harmonytrader ok
Thanks
Thank you for this video!
Your Welcome and wish you success in all you do
Can we trade on mt4?
The link is the list of platforms supported :support.apextraderfunding.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404866580123-What-platforms-can-I-use-your-service-on-
MT4 is not supported per that list
Hey can you explain what is 'contract' ? I'm new 🙂
Read this and it will help you understand how the futures Markets work www.investopedia.com/terms/f/futurescontract.asp
Thanks💪
Ive been undersizing unfortunately
thank you
You are welcome. how is trading going?
@@harmonytrader we are printing
@@trendcatalysttraders8364 doing well and focused on making good trades.
*Step 1:* Don't join this scam brokerage that sells your orderflow and never pays out.
*Step 2:* Actually learn how to trade by backtesting.
That's it, you're welcome.
good advice
You deleted my response... that says it all..
I did not. not sure what you said. There are a lot of comments here. So repeat your comment and will address it.
i prefer alpha ftutures atm
Try and catch 10 points not 200
Who cares apex is a scam I pass there pa won’t get paid or even given a email back stay away from apex scam
You really Think so. Many Traders have gotten paid from the ATF funded account program. They will give you an opportunity to hone your trading skills without taking risk with your own capital. Good luck to you.
I don’t think I know I passed pa I can’t get paid or an even an email back from them for two months
I see a sim account and another one, which one do I use to take my evaluation
The one that Say Apex on it with the # of the account. That is your evaluation account.
@@harmonytrader thanks
Do I get to keep the money I made from the evaluation
@@ig_stee4939 NO.. you only keep the $$ from the performance account once you hit the Min goal for that account.
@@harmonytrader ok thanks