Imagine being forced into a marriage even when you love someone else, because your family says that the someone else isn't good enough. That's what happened to Mary. She cared for the man she had to marry, but she loved Arthur and held onto the ring he gave her. And Arthur loved her. He kept her photo by his bed all those years and was celebate. It is a tragic side story to the game. If only Arthur hadn't got TB .....
Thats right, she aint deserve all that hate, its just her family was against, she even requests to run away for Arthur , by the how Abigail talks about her she aint bad person as it seems
Kinda wish there was a alternate ending that isn't cannon where you could accept the offer to run away. If u do plays a nice scene then sends you back to the save before
1. Mary-beth wasn’t jealous of Mary, she is only concerned for Arthur 2. I never understood why Mary gets a lot of hate? She and Arthur clearly loved each other and Mary’s father and ofc Arthur’s way of life got in the way. 3. Her asking Arthur for help doesn’t mean she’s using him but it seems that she’s really desperate and couldn’t find anyone else to turn to. Plus maybe it’s her excuse for seeing Arthur again. To me the hate she gets almost seems as if her haters are jealous and want to be in her place and run away with Arthur. And that’s the only thing that would make sense
Mary openly insults Arthur after you help her in the first mission. That’s why. Sure, you can excuse her leaving him because frankly, it’s true that ain’t her fault- but she’s a woman who can’t keep her comments to herself. Lot of us men don’t like that, specially after you just save someone’s life on another’s behalf. Be safe y’all.
The reason for me that Mary Beth and the others comes to talk with Arthur about Mary is from fear that she might still be in his mind,it would be terrible for the gang if he decided to run away with her,in the other hand Abigail seems that she would support this idea thinking about Arthur's happyness in the process,she's the only one that say good things about Mary,I would pay to see a ending like this,it's so tragic that they can't be together seeing how much they love eachother 😔
I only entertain her for the ability to play out the missions, same with Sadie at the end. All the while the reject option is quite the better option. Plus there's also an option in the theater with Mary that's a bit more obscure. If you focus/aim on her instead of the stage Arthur will get the option to make a move on her once, but it will lead to nothing.
I always help Mary, only because I love Jamie and the fact that Arthur acts like the father/big brother figure. He really likes that boy, he even tries to direct him to find a suitable job and he consoles him saying that thing about the better world. Also, you gain honor.
Great video, thanks. I love that Arthur and Mary see a stage show while John and Abigail see a film. The passing of time reflects in the environment while Arthur’s just a memory, and a fading one at that.
i always choose to help Mary, because i was in a somewhat similar relationship, boy i love her, i studied, get a degree and made my mind to marry her, but her family didn´t like me, i wasn´t an outlaw, but was in a dangerous job before i met her and that made them kinda hate me, kinda fear me, was in a 4 year relationship with her, and like Arthur i also acknowledged that i and her couldn´t change, seeing Arthur reject to help her makes me remember that
Mary gets a lot of hate and while I do feel there is definitely a bit of emotional manipulation in some parts, I would say that is just her being so desperate and genuinely having no one else she can turn to. She isn't a terrible person and I think the game does make it clear that she and Arthur did genuinely love each other and they never stopped even after they broke up, just her father and Arthur's life got in the way. I think it makes their relationship one of the most human and realistic in the game. It is kind of funny how deep Grimshaw hates her though, I've only ever seen the first one. It's also pretty unclear what happened with Arthur and Abigail whether they were actually together or if Arthur just had this idea because John had left and never pursued it. And Mary-Beth's reaction to Arthur seeing her again is also pretty funny. Is that jealousy or just concern for Arthur? I think it could be both
I think Grimshaw thought that Mary would be enough to tempt Arthur away from the gang. Mary-Beth could well be jealous. However Abigail tells Arthur that Mary was always nice. I made me wonder if John and Abigail would double date with Arthur and Mary. I personally think Arthur thought he should marry Abigail to give Jack stability because John left then was a poor boyfriend/father on his return.
@@Nicola_Bailey Probably something like that. Susan is always going on about loyalty to the gang so I guess she thought being with Mary would distract Arthur. I feel like most of the gang have negative feelings towards her simply because how things went down with her broke Arthur's heart. I vaguely recall Abigail talking about her to him. In another life, I think she and John would have gone on outings with Mary and Arthur. I personally think there is some jealousy with Mary-Beth, there's a few instances where she scowls at the mention of Mary Linton and it's hilarious. Yeah I agree with you on Arthur in regards to Abigail. I always got the sense it was because John left but Arthur never acted on it before he came back to the gang.
I always liked that sub plot because you can see he almost pulled a John and ran away from the Gang but Arthur is too loyal to pull away. He has people he cares about and he loves them as much as he loves her. Those two world can’t compete so it was a love that could never be. She knows it and while she’s sad she can’t be with him she gets it. Arthur wishes he could leave but knows it’s not in him to walk away.
Marry Beth wasn't being Jelous of Mary. She was being protective of Arthur. She knows Arthur is still holding a candle for that woman and that it was just Mary stringing Arthur along because she's lonely or desperate but that she still wouldn't accept Arthur for who he was, and she didn't want to see him get hurt again.
John was copying Arthur. He was competing with a dead man an Micah who nobody realized she dated at all, which was confirmed when you go meet Sadie at the Lagas bayou/ night peoples hide out in the cutscene. That's why he was their first. He'd decided to betray Dutch completely instead of sharing his money from Blackwater based on Dutch saying he'd kill for his family and him, and Dutch knew why they weren't heading west, it was because if Micah set 50 miles in California his brother would kill him, and I believe it is tied to Micah killing a little girl long ago, Cleet mentions it because it appears he's done it again. But his brother mentions his offenses in a letter to Micah at Shady Bell. Near the swamp treasure near the graves. Not the one by the shack or the Pirate boat
And to be fair, when Arthur rejected going and leaving with Mary my man was dieing from TB and with no cure he was on his way to die regardless. Had he left with Mary he would’ve regretted it because John would’ve died and he wanted to make sure John and his family were saved before he died
@@Firedocs well she was worried that her little brother was gonna kill himself or get killed and stated that he would only listen to Arthur and heard that he was around. It made sense for her to reach out, a lot of us would’ve done the same for our family. Plus it was obvious she still had feelings for him and didn’t just use him because in the end she wanted to run away with him instead of just saying “okay thank you, bye” lol
I found out about the one regarding the compass for Pearson literally just yesterday and I’ve played through the game a lot of times now, and I intend to do so even more times.
After bringing Jamie to her at the train station Mary says this “I’ve…… you’re…….. oh you’ll never change.” I think she was going to say “I’ve got an extra ticket for you” and “you’re welcome to join us”. Just my own little head canon.
@RedsDeadBaby..... I don't want that! Whatever you're giving, give it to children in need! Give it to children in hospitals, give it to families in need!
The "slurring of words" scene seems to be random. I just bought it on PC and somehow, even with Arthur's original hat, he didn't take it off and he did slur when he asked Mary about his dead husband. Didn't have that happen on my PS4 version but did on PC.
Did I miss something or just don't remember, but where did the idea of Arthur hitting on Abigail come from? Was it stated somewhere in the game or it's just hinted at? I completed the game on release and don't remember anything about that
According to the game files Eliza and Arthurs son Isaac were supposed to appear in game Issac was supposed to freeze to death causing Arthur and eliza to breakdown
This game literally give you interesting idea about the past of the gang, how they talk about old days, blackwater massacre, it makes everything so player could be curious, and how people concerned about their future and thinking their past
Idk how if any1 else got it but at maximum honors Arthur gets another letter from Mary in beaver hollow telling him how much he misses him and wants to be with but how she can’t because of his lifestyle she sends bck the ring as a goodbye forever I thought Mary was selfish second play through I see she wanted Arthur to leave the gang but he couldn’t do tha wish Arthur would’ve js ran away w her but wouldn’t be much of a game after that
Brother, where do you get all those fancy outfits? They are so cool :D Also i had once a relationship similiar to Mary and Arthur...oh what a time lol how young and foolish i've been.
In my opinion, all I know is that other than asking about Jamie cause that's a unique situation, I would not ask the man I chose to leave because he's an outlaw and my family didn't like him to come back and help my terrible father or go on a date. I'd feel too ashamed of what he must feel of me even if I did love him. I'd just emphasize how sorry I am. The fact that I married someone else who is now dead. Oof. That's the real kicker, who knows who that guy was or how long ago that was, if they said I can't remember. How much can I care and love that guy if I'm thinking about Arthur all the time? Maybe she wasn't thinking of Arthur all the time until after her husband died, all the same I just think it's way too much to ask for and there wasn't enough of an apology to satisfy how he must have felt being in his situation. She must have known Arthur was an outlaw in the first place right? don't fall in love with an outlaw, don't even talk to one because then you'll end up like Mary. Hurting the man you love because his life is too risky while simultaneously hurting yourself for having let a relationship grow despite the complications. Arthur, left sad that he knows he won't change but has feelings for somebody who has a completely different life and I suppose on that note, he shouldn't talk to someone like her either. I guess it doesn't matter though in the scheme of things. Things happen. I personally still side more with Arthur because they did not fall in love and then he became an outlaw, he always was an outlaw. Maybe he thought she would run away with him or accept him as he was but that wasn't the case and that's why I side with him.
Thought about who might be the second rat - could be Mary to be honest. She knew about the gangs hideouts as we know by the letters she send to Arthur, she knew ABOUT the gang and she was sad Arthur wouldn't leave the gang for her.
Nah probably not pretty obvious she cares for Arthur and that would endanger her honestly there doesn’t need to be a rat Dutch was a makin a lot of noise at the end since he was fightin the literal army
I always felt like Mary was manipulating Arthur, i mean Arthur would have obliged so thats what i choose everytime but still.. i think ahe loves him but not as much as she makes it seem.
I think giving her one last fond memory and departing on somewhat nice terms is the good ending for their relationship with foresight. Just imagine if she did run away with him there and she had to go through and watch all the suffering Arthur goes through in the latter half of the game.
If you take Mary to the theater 🎭 you can look at her. push lt/lb and it will say make a move on mary😂 and he try’s but bitches out 🤣I wanna know if you know that
Legend of the East outfit. You can get it by completing all 90 challenges, but it is supposed to be impossible to complete as arthur without mods as you need to go to new austin for the herbalist 9 challenge.
Mary Gillis sucks. Everyone sticking up for her is all "oh her dad didnt let her, and Arthur was an outlaw". Yes, she knew exactly what Arthur was when they met and during their relationship. It wasn't something that came out of the blue. AND she knew how her father would feel. BUT here's the thing, Mary Gillis is an adult, she doesn't need her dad's permission to get married. IF she really wanted to be with Arthur she could have joined the gang and told her dad, who was a raging ass, to go to hell. But for Mary what was important was making her abusive neglectful Dad happy and marrying into a normal household. Maybe she thought she could change him. In any case she left him for a "better" life. THEN when that falls apart she has the audacity to ask the only person she can think of who would probably help her, because she knew he loved her. I know some might flip the above script and say, "well why didn't Arthur leave the Gang for her?" Because he never intended to from the begining and was up front about it AND she had to know that. Unlike her Father, Arthurs "family" was actually built on helping and protecting eachother for the most part, and a man like Arthur would never abandon people he loved and owed so much to for his own happiness. You could say "well Mary would never leave her Father" and I'm like why not, he suuuuuucks, he's abusive, a gambler, and a drunk. Well maybe she stayed for Jaime, to which I say Jaime is a grown man, and doesn't need his big sis taking care of him, and even if he did thats still not a reason she would stay with her broke abusive dad. Made no sense to me, seemed like she was more concerned with propriety than her love. So screw Mary. She only reaches out to Arthur when she needs something or was lonely.
I never knew Abigail liked Mary. I know Mary Beth didn't like her. She liked Kieran an Arthur. And Tilly didn't like Mary either. She liked Arthur or Penny depending on how you play rdr2. I never learned how Karen felt. I've made every woman in camp love me, it's fun except Karen turns on you when you get sick and Abigail loves John and fools around with Micah, no lie and when it comes to John defends him if you talk down to him. Not sure if y'all know but Mary gives Arthur Back his engagement ring and a picture of her and him young if you never help her. It's a achievement in the game. I believe Arthur's supposed to be mean. None speaking and and sharp tongue
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Imagine being forced into a marriage even when you love someone else, because your family says that the someone else isn't good enough. That's what happened to Mary.
She cared for the man she had to marry, but she loved Arthur and held onto the ring he gave her. And Arthur loved her. He kept her photo by his bed all those years and was celebate. It is a tragic side story to the game. If only Arthur hadn't got TB .....
Thats right, she aint deserve all that hate, its just her family was against, she even requests to run away for Arthur , by the how Abigail talks about her she aint bad person as it seems
well, he had a son, not sure he was so celebate
Arthur wasn’t celibate it’s clear and stated he had sexual relations with Abigail and even wanted to marry her but she was in love with John
Kinda wish there was a alternate ending that isn't cannon where you could accept the offer to run away. If u do plays a nice scene then sends you back to the save before
@@juliodeluna2774
That was after they were done.
1. Mary-beth wasn’t jealous of Mary, she is only concerned for Arthur
2. I never understood why Mary gets a lot of hate? She and Arthur clearly loved each other and Mary’s father and ofc Arthur’s way of life got in the way.
3. Her asking Arthur for help doesn’t mean she’s using him but it seems that she’s really desperate and couldn’t find anyone else to turn to. Plus maybe it’s her excuse for seeing Arthur again.
To me the hate she gets almost seems as if her haters are jealous and want to be in her place and run away with Arthur. And that’s the only thing that would make sense
@@josh.y maybe. Just pisses me off how much she’s hated
@@Doodmove yeah, same
Mary openly insults Arthur after you help her in the first mission. That’s why. Sure, you can excuse her leaving him because frankly, it’s true that ain’t her fault- but she’s a woman who can’t keep her comments to herself. Lot of us men don’t like that, specially after you just save someone’s life on another’s behalf. Be safe y’all.
I think mostly Mary do still has feeling for him and would like to see him. If you ever love someone you will understand
The game also has a huge teenage boy audience and that's not a demographic that's known for good relations with girls/women.
The reason for me that Mary Beth and the others comes to talk with Arthur about Mary is from fear that she might still be in his mind,it would be terrible for the gang if he decided to run away with her,in the other hand Abigail seems that she would support this idea thinking about Arthur's happyness in the process,she's the only one that say good things about Mary,I would pay to see a ending like this,it's so tragic that they can't be together seeing how much they love eachother 😔
Mary-Beth has ulterior motive. She has a crush on Arthur.
I only entertain her for the ability to play out the missions, same with Sadie at the end. All the while the reject option is quite the better option. Plus there's also an option in the theater with Mary that's a bit more obscure. If you focus/aim on her instead of the stage Arthur will get the option to make a move on her once, but it will lead to nothing.
She’ll look at you and act almost offended and of course Arthur acts like a gentleman… smh
@@hunterdude113 idk how a short glance is offended in your mind but it's because he touched her then stopped suddenly
I tried that the moment she rejected Arthur I left 😂…not about to downplay my boy after he helped your dysfunctional family
she literally didnt reject him arthur just got nervous and didnt commit to it@@RESTINPEACE12345678
I always help Mary, only because I love Jamie and the fact that Arthur acts like the father/big brother figure. He really likes that boy, he even tries to direct him to find a suitable job and he consoles him saying that thing about the better world.
Also, you gain honor.
Great video, thanks. I love that Arthur and Mary see a stage show while John and Abigail see a film. The passing of time reflects in the environment while Arthur’s just a memory, and a fading one at that.
The time flies by. Its already almost 6 years and this game has still beautifull things to discover!
It's been six years!
@@user-tu9bhzl lol you should see Skyrim nowadays still has mysteries and its even 12 years old lol
i always choose to help Mary, because i was in a somewhat similar relationship, boy i love her, i studied, get a degree and made my mind to marry her, but her family didn´t like me, i wasn´t an outlaw, but was in a dangerous job before i met her and that made them kinda hate me, kinda fear me, was in a 4 year relationship with her, and like Arthur i also acknowledged that i and her couldn´t change, seeing Arthur reject to help her makes me remember that
She’s getting folded by someone else
@@boofpack3642 did him dirty
Damn, I'm sorry you had to go through that. Whatever you do, just don't collect money from a sick farmer
"Okay i gotta know once and for all what happened to your face?" Got me 😂
Mary gets a lot of hate and while I do feel there is definitely a bit of emotional manipulation in some parts, I would say that is just her being so desperate and genuinely having no one else she can turn to. She isn't a terrible person and I think the game does make it clear that she and Arthur did genuinely love each other and they never stopped even after they broke up, just her father and Arthur's life got in the way. I think it makes their relationship one of the most human and realistic in the game.
It is kind of funny how deep Grimshaw hates her though, I've only ever seen the first one. It's also pretty unclear what happened with Arthur and Abigail whether they were actually together or if Arthur just had this idea because John had left and never pursued it. And Mary-Beth's reaction to Arthur seeing her again is also pretty funny. Is that jealousy or just concern for Arthur? I think it could be both
I think Grimshaw thought that Mary would be enough to tempt Arthur away from the gang. Mary-Beth could well be jealous. However Abigail tells Arthur that Mary was always nice. I made me wonder if John and Abigail would double date with Arthur and Mary. I personally think Arthur thought he should marry Abigail to give Jack stability because John left then was a poor boyfriend/father on his return.
@@Nicola_Bailey Probably something like that. Susan is always going on about loyalty to the gang so I guess she thought being with Mary would distract Arthur. I feel like most of the gang have negative feelings towards her simply because how things went down with her broke Arthur's heart. I vaguely recall Abigail talking about her to him. In another life, I think she and John would have gone on outings with Mary and Arthur. I personally think there is some jealousy with Mary-Beth, there's a few instances where she scowls at the mention of Mary Linton and it's hilarious. Yeah I agree with you on Arthur in regards to Abigail. I always got the sense it was because John left but Arthur never acted on it before he came back to the gang.
I always liked that sub plot because you can see he almost pulled a John and ran away from the Gang but Arthur is too loyal to pull away. He has people he cares about and he loves them as much as he loves her. Those two world can’t compete so it was a love that could never be. She knows it and while she’s sad she can’t be with him she gets it. Arthur wishes he could leave but knows it’s not in him to walk away.
I'm not sure if its jealousy, isnt MB like 15 years younger than Arthur?
@White Boy Carl No, it would just be very weird considering Arthur is practically a father figure to her.
After watching this whole video just to see the outro reminding me that this is a game about killer outlaws, and not love stories was a weird feeling
I love how this game has so many details that you can make a full video of them about only one character
"a mystery awaits ...
... Well, we've seen it"
*Immediately tries to stand up and leave.
Why does that feel like John Marston in a nutshell
Marry Beth wasn't being Jelous of Mary. She was being protective of Arthur. She knows Arthur is still holding a candle for that woman and that it was just Mary stringing Arthur along because she's lonely or desperate but that she still wouldn't accept Arthur for who he was, and she didn't want to see him get hurt again.
John was copying Arthur. He was competing with a dead man an Micah who nobody realized she dated at all, which was confirmed when you go meet Sadie at the Lagas bayou/ night peoples hide out in the cutscene. That's why he was their first. He'd decided to betray Dutch completely instead of sharing his money from Blackwater based on Dutch saying he'd kill for his family and him, and Dutch knew why they weren't heading west, it was because if Micah set 50 miles in California his brother would kill him, and I believe it is tied to Micah killing a little girl long ago, Cleet mentions it because it appears he's done it again. But his brother mentions his offenses in a letter to Micah at Shady Bell. Near the swamp treasure near the graves. Not the one by the shack or the Pirate boat
Sry I dont understand your comment; over what was John competing with a dead man and Micah? Who did Micah date?
fr what is brp yapping about
@@coby9282
Micha was in love with Dutch .
I feel Mary is a very selfish person, leading my boy Arthur just for her to abandon him
She did ask him to leave with her to which Arthur rejected
Nope, she asked him to run away with him, but he was too dumb to go. Not that it would have done either of them much good as he was already ill.
And to be fair, when Arthur rejected going and leaving with Mary my man was dieing from TB and with no cure he was on his way to die regardless. Had he left with Mary he would’ve regretted it because John would’ve died and he wanted to make sure John and his family were saved before he died
@@Nicola_Bailey I feel like she only asked him because her father was a deadbeat and she knew Arthur would protect her
@@Firedocs well she was worried that her little brother was gonna kill himself or get killed and stated that he would only listen to Arthur and heard that he was around. It made sense for her to reach out, a lot of us would’ve done the same for our family. Plus it was obvious she still had feelings for him and didn’t just use him because in the end she wanted to run away with him instead of just saying “okay thank you, bye” lol
8:40 “Ok I feel stupid now”
Poor Arthur 💀
I found out about the one regarding the compass for Pearson literally just yesterday and I’ve played through the game a lot of times now, and I intend to do so even more times.
8:24 “THATS MA DAWG” caught me lackin😭😭😭
After bringing Jamie to her at the train station Mary says this “I’ve…… you’re…….. oh you’ll never change.” I think she was going to say “I’ve got an extra ticket for you” and “you’re welcome to join us”. Just my own little head canon.
It was probably that btw
Very good attention to details !
In my first playthrough back in 2018 I remember arthur taking off his hat and washing his face before mary opened the door. He looked nervous as hell.
So there's two naval compasses? I usually get the one down in at the Braithwaite place.
Maybe the hat thing is how quick or not you respond to her letter by showing up for her mission
Also for those who don't know. You can focus in on Mary during the date and do something, same goes for John and Abigail.
@RedsDeadBaby..... I don't want that! Whatever you're giving, give it to children in need! Give it to children in hospitals, give it to families in need!
She?
3:30 or so it's almost like you're garunteeing Jamie commits suicide with this option
incredible those videos are still coming out
Nothing in Arthur and Abigail's exchange suggests they were ever a thing and I sense pity rather than jealousy from Mary-Beth.
Thank you so much for these clips and showing us what we may of missed
It wouldn’t be a real playthrough of RDR2 if Susan Grimshaw didn’t chase Arthur around the camp at least once a chapter 😂
I use rampage trainer to shut off the New Austin sniper, turn on never wanted and then head out to a place there for the naval compass.
8:23 Arthur ain’t no simp💀
@RedsDeadBaby..... 🤫
The "slurring of words" scene seems to be random.
I just bought it on PC and somehow, even with Arthur's original hat, he didn't take it off and he did slur when he asked Mary about his dead husband. Didn't have that happen on my PS4 version but did on PC.
Did I miss something or just don't remember, but where did the idea of Arthur hitting on Abigail come from? Was it stated somewhere in the game or it's just hinted at? I completed the game on release and don't remember anything about that
They really did Miss Grimshaw dirty in the end
According to the game files Eliza and Arthurs son Isaac were supposed to appear in game Issac was supposed to freeze to death causing Arthur and eliza to breakdown
I wonder if the song "take a message to Mary" by the Everly Brothers inspired the story of Arthur and Mary?
That's where I got the naval compass and the brass one.
This game literally give you interesting idea about the past of the gang, how they talk about old days, blackwater massacre, it makes everything so player could be curious, and how people concerned about their future and thinking their past
Wow ! This game will forever amaze me.
5:10 she just roasted him
If you choose to not help Mary finding Jamie, does that end Marys storyline, or will you still be able to do the other missions with her?
The storyline ends
thank you for making these videos. but what happens if you ignore mary with low honor when she asks to go to the theatre
When he said "domino's anybody?" I thought why is he asking if anyone wants pizza ...... i need to go to sleep
Idk how if any1 else got it but at maximum honors Arthur gets another letter from Mary in beaver hollow telling him how much he misses him and wants to be with but how she can’t because of his lifestyle she sends bck the ring as a goodbye forever I thought Mary was selfish second play through I see she wanted Arthur to leave the gang but he couldn’t do tha wish Arthur would’ve js ran away w her but wouldn’t be much of a game after that
Brother, where do you get all those fancy outfits? They are so cool :D
Also i had once a relationship similiar to Mary and Arthur...oh what a time lol how young and foolish i've been.
In my opinion, all I know is that other than asking about Jamie cause that's a unique situation, I would not ask the man I chose to leave because he's an outlaw and my family didn't like him to come back and help my terrible father or go on a date. I'd feel too ashamed of what he must feel of me even if I did love him. I'd just emphasize how sorry I am. The fact that I married someone else who is now dead. Oof.
That's the real kicker, who knows who that guy was or how long ago that was, if they said I can't remember. How much can I care and love that guy if I'm thinking about Arthur all the time?
Maybe she wasn't thinking of Arthur all the time until after her husband died, all the same I just think it's way too much to ask for and there wasn't enough of an apology to satisfy how he must have felt being in his situation. She must have known Arthur was an outlaw in the first place right? don't fall in love with an outlaw, don't even talk to one because then you'll end up like Mary. Hurting the man you love because his life is too risky while simultaneously hurting yourself for having let a relationship grow despite the complications. Arthur, left sad that he knows he won't change but has feelings for somebody who has a completely different life and I suppose on that note, he shouldn't talk to someone like her either. I guess it doesn't matter though in the scheme of things. Things happen.
I personally still side more with Arthur because they did not fall in love and then he became an outlaw, he always was an outlaw. Maybe he thought she would run away with him or accept him as he was but that wasn't the case and that's why I side with him.
Mary is an egocentric woman, she doesn't care about Arthur, and what he feels.
Hello brother
6:01 AY?!?!
What’s that Saint Denis outfit?
I think the difference with the Mary stuff is that he cleaned up and I refuse to clean up for any women besides my girl
Thought about who might be the second rat - could be Mary to be honest. She knew about the gangs hideouts as we know by the letters she send to Arthur, she knew ABOUT the gang and she was sad Arthur wouldn't leave the gang for her.
Nah probably not pretty obvious she cares for Arthur and that would endanger her honestly there doesn’t need to be a rat Dutch was a makin a lot of noise at the end since he was fightin the literal army
@@Js78l9 good point.
If you don't help Mary does she still give you the ring?
And John wouldn't pull out the ring he used to marry Abigail? [Being from mary]
Grimshaw is an old crow lol
Did they always answer the door with a revolver?
I always felt like Mary was manipulating Arthur, i mean Arthur would have obliged so thats what i choose everytime but still.. i think ahe loves him but not as much as she makes it seem.
I don't think she does react to the weight as I had the lowest weight lvl and she still said I used to be skinny lol
I always deny Mary. She uses the same manipulation tactics over Arthur that Dutch uses. My Arthur doesn't need that in his life, thank you!
I've never helped her. Thats not knowing the story previously
At 12:00 what is Arthur and javier doing.
Always thought it was sad that there no half good ending with Arthur and Mary.
I think giving her one last fond memory and departing on somewhat nice terms is the good ending for their relationship with foresight. Just imagine if she did run away with him there and she had to go through and watch all the suffering Arthur goes through in the latter half of the game.
The way the game ends there really is no good ending for Arthur 😭.
6:34 where do you get this coat
Arthur sadly was a SIMP for Mary. Mary is a representation of today’s western lady. Rides the carousel welling keeping her stable until it’s to late.
Susan Grimshaw was in love with Arthur, sort of.
How did You get the black suit you have in easter egg 8.
if u turn Mary down the first time does it cancel the other missions
there is also a comment if Arthur brings a lasso
If you take Mary to the theater 🎭 you can look at her. push lt/lb and it will say make a move on mary😂 and he try’s but bitches out 🤣I wanna know if you know that
how did you get that vest chain in the second reject mary scene
That’s the ascot tie.
What if you came to.the first mary linton misión with a Legendary hat
She won’t comment
@@RDBTheRedDeath but the animation when Arthur take off his hay, has to be so funny
How do you ads like that??
I dont like mary much but i do her missions for honer
You save Mary's life by not staying with her never forget you have tb of you kissed her she is dead
what is that coat you use when helping mary part 2
Legend of the East outfit. You can get it by completing all 90 challenges, but it is supposed to be impossible to complete as arthur without mods as you need to go to new austin for the herbalist 9 challenge.
wgat coat is that 6:45
I really really wish we could have romance with Mary Beth. Or Karen.
I'm starting to think you have a thing for Mary...
arthur could rizz me up
5:26 - I just can’t respect Arthur in these clothes, he looks like Micah!
Mary Gillis sucks. Everyone sticking up for her is all "oh her dad didnt let her, and Arthur was an outlaw". Yes, she knew exactly what Arthur was when they met and during their relationship. It wasn't something that came out of the blue. AND she knew how her father would feel. BUT here's the thing, Mary Gillis is an adult, she doesn't need her dad's permission to get married. IF she really wanted to be with Arthur she could have joined the gang and told her dad, who was a raging ass, to go to hell. But for Mary what was important was making her abusive neglectful Dad happy and marrying into a normal household. Maybe she thought she could change him. In any case she left him for a "better" life. THEN when that falls apart she has the audacity to ask the only person she can think of who would probably help her, because she knew he loved her.
I know some might flip the above script and say, "well why didn't Arthur leave the Gang for her?" Because he never intended to from the begining and was up front about it AND she had to know that. Unlike her Father, Arthurs "family" was actually built on helping and protecting eachother for the most part, and a man like Arthur would never abandon people he loved and owed so much to for his own happiness. You could say "well Mary would never leave her Father" and I'm like why not, he suuuuuucks, he's abusive, a gambler, and a drunk. Well maybe she stayed for Jaime, to which I say Jaime is a grown man, and doesn't need his big sis taking care of him, and even if he did thats still not a reason she would stay with her broke abusive dad. Made no sense to me, seemed like she was more concerned with propriety than her love. So screw Mary. She only reaches out to Arthur when she needs something or was lonely.
Glad someone else in this comment section has a fucking brain. You, my friend, have a nice day.
HOOOOOOOOO OURTHUR
Nothing like advertising your grammar mistake in big red letters in your thumbnail.
It's "A lot" more, not "Alot" more. Alot is not a word.
I never knew Abigail liked Mary. I know Mary Beth didn't like her. She liked Kieran an Arthur. And Tilly didn't like Mary either. She liked Arthur or Penny depending on how you play rdr2. I never learned how Karen felt. I've made every woman in camp love me, it's fun except Karen turns on you when you get sick and Abigail loves John and fools around with Micah, no lie and when it comes to John defends him if you talk down to him. Not sure if y'all know but Mary gives Arthur Back his engagement ring and a picture of her and him young if you never help her. It's a achievement in the game. I believe Arthur's supposed to be mean. None speaking and and sharp tongue
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How come people don't all complain about the clickbait and hit dislike and unsubscribe?
Anyone knows what Black Suit that is at 6:33?
Pretty sure him taking off his hat depends on honor
“ALOT” isn’t a word. It’s “a lot”.