Before ANYONE says that the cooldown of a pounce attack is 5 seconds... keep watching the video 🙂 Also this video features a post credits scene just in case you are curious, but it just showcases my frustration trying to record footage for this video.
The fact that Demogorgon, a character you literally cannot buy anymore, has a higher pick rate than one of the more recent killers readily available for purchase is funny as hell.
@@mcmlii.v I know about dbd leaks and I feel that they’re leaks aren’t authentic anymore they vouched for the knight being licensed and for demo to come back on the 6th of November none of them were true
@@bigantdud3499 They were correct about Dredge, Mastermind, and the Knight's existence, even if they weren't entirely accurate. They also revealed the new, expanded/remodeled Basement (which currently exists on the PTB and will release this coming patch) several months before it would be added. I know they haven't been 100% accurate, but I would say they've done a good job with not being entirely misleading.
Dude, Charlotte entering a rage state when Victor is killed is a great idea! She could gain faster movement, breaking, vaulting and a longer lunge for a period, much like tier 3 Myers. Maybe whenever he's on a survivor's back to force the survivor to crush him to get the rage state on a timer. It would fit Charlotte's lore perfectly. Or Charlotte could have some kind of ability on her right click whener Victor was separate from her. Spice the Twins up! Charlotte should also detect people when idle. Why can only Victor do it? Victor is super fun but Charlotte is lame.
And when she downed a survivor, voctor would CUM back and say something like "mommy give me some milk", like i say whenever a twins picks me up. Which i would no joke, only need 2 hands to count how many times that happened.
@@raikuzenjr7494 Charlotte's rage state wouldn't end till Victor was returned. If Charlotte was moving 5% faster and everything else I think they'd need to return him.
It's more that Victor was resurrected, because although Charlotte would be happy to serve the entity, Victor wouldn't necessarily so the entity changed him.
The buff they should give twins is that they should give a button while Victor is out you can call him to come to you or you can call Charlotte to come to you
Imagine if Victor was controlled by AI while you control Charlotte, walking around the map and trying to find survivors. You could switch between Charlotte and Victor so the survivors need to guess if it's you or if they're being chased by the AI. Other than the pounce (that you have to use manually) Victor could be able to recall Charlotte who would autopath to him. And the rage state seems like a great addition!
I would hate that tbh. I position Victor and Charlotte in areas I want/need them to be in. Whether its to shut down a loop, safeguard a gen, act as a wiretap, or proxy camp. I don't want them moving around and just randomly doing things because of AI.
@@YagamiTrala Well there is with Knight because of all 3 knights being different from each other. But you're right, I don't want Twins just being a Knight-Lite killer. I prefer being able to position them like I want to depending on the situation.
@@TheLethalDiva you can't even choose which guard you want to use, which makes it not very skilful and also the most efficient way is to just spit whatever guard you have at loop, it doesn't really matter who it is.
I used to play the twins. i had like 200 annivery cakes and flans on them, then i realized i could be playing something that didn't actually punish me for playing well like a punt to the charisma-unt.
@@Antarctide you get slapped with an 8 second fatigue for every successful down + you have to walk a few more something seconds to get to the downed perso. assuming you can get more than 12 downs in a match, you lose about 96 seconds worth of time just being in fatigue alone and counting the amount of time just trying to get to the downed body you can add a few more seconds to the timer. you're wasting a lot of time just downing and grabbing the survivors you downed. sacrificing a few gens just for the down. by the time you reach them its likely the downed person already recovered thanks to how common COH is.
@Basement_Trickster exactly this was around the time when pixel bush's channel started blowing up and it changed a disastrous chapter into one where I fell in love with the lore from elodie to the twins and yet while elodie has stayed as one of my mains the twins were just to badly designed for it, she also gets no cute skins
Twins is just too fucking hard for most people to use, I think. Because not only do you have to be accurate with Victor, which I find is difficult because of the charge time, but you need to know when exactly to control each character, and with COH and exponential and maybe soon basekit unbreakable, it’s hard to play them and win.
Forced Penance is a must on Twins. It works with Victor. Also, the cat's eye addon is hilarious and turns you into sneaky Victor for a different kind of playstyle.
You don't have to use Victor to down survivors, that's just the way most people play him. You can also use him as radar to zone the map, find survivors quickly, and establish and safeguard 3 gens much easier than most other killers can.
Mint Skull, that last montage was hilarious. I am glad that this wasn't a complete Twins hate train and you did take note of how the devs have neglected them. Honestly, Charlotte being able to see the auras of the people who kill Victor and getting a minor speed boost after he gets kicked feels like a way to buff them that wouldn't be oppressive and would make Charlotte more unique.
@@darkron288 Some of dbd’s designs are very iconic, Plague, Dredge, Spirit, Trickster, etc… others such as twins and blight and deathslinger all came out during a time when bhvr’s favorite color palette was from mud brown to shit brown
13:20 "7 minutes, 7 minutes is all i can spare to play with you, after that, i will take some coffee, and a walk with the dog, furthermore i will require to visit my oculist since using this dark cool glasses makes my vision worse with time."
I hope that with the Twins rework, they will implement some of the new tech and AI they used for The Knight, so you are literally having two killers. Obviously, not the same as The Knight, but make it so one isn't useless when controlling the other.
At least having Charlotte guard an area would be an interesting ability interaction, and Victor should jump on a survivor's back when a survivor comes to close. Twins is basically just a transformer like Oni. They're pounce Oni
I had an idea for a rework: Maybe when you control victor, it makes it so charlotte follows you from a certain distance and attacks survivors that get too cloose. And you can use victor to jump onto survivors and move them around like the left 4 dead jockey so you can get them close to charlotte
I also had the idea that Charlotte could gain a speed boost of sorts when making her way directly to victor, potentially, victor could Pounce on the survivor distract the m then Charlotte could come and finish it. I also think Victor's ai should do stuff by itself like follow survivors, Pounce on them, etc.
Twins rework: After Victor "dies" Charlotte gets into a rage. She gets a speed bonus for 15 seconds and kicks pallets fastet for 30 seconds (kinda like fast kicking perk) After giving Victor control Charlotte will roam around and hurt any survivor near her. If Victor is in 20 meters of Charlotte he will pounce slightly faster like 1 or 2 percent. If your control Charlotte, Victor will automatically pounce on anyone in front of him. But the Survivors can kick him in the back.(He will stand still just don't let him see you while he's facing that direction)
In my experience trying out Twins, I realize this. Using them for value feels so sluggish and slow. Releasing Victor and recalling feel so awkward. The only benefit they have is Victor feels okayish to handle and the speed when he comes back for use. Apart from that, it feels slow to release Victor and have to slug people for pressure when I want to use hooks. They feel punishing to play as for efficiency
i actually started playing right before the binding of kin released, and it scared me SO BAD! the trailer terrified me and i thought the twins were so cool. theyre still some of my favorite killers, just because of that nostalgia factor. but i remember that my first game against the twins was a total let down, because they werent at all scary like the trailer. victor just glitched out and floated around the match
Exactly. If you kick Viktor you become exposed for 30 seconds and Charolette gets 10 secs of haste; also maybe after Viktor downs someone she gets 20 secs of haste, and when Viktor jumps on someone’s face make it to where he stays on longer. Now that would be a killer worth playing
@@taviccYT one already is, I can’t remember if very rare is purple or pink but one of her pink add one is if a survivor kicks Viktor they get exposed for 45s
they should do this only if you land the hit, don't want more features to benefit killers for playing poorly and not willing to actually learn to play better, yes I'm looking at you, noed users who slug for the 4k or facecamps the hook for not being able to get 1k during the trial before the exit gates are powered.
What if charlotte immediately makes her way to the first downed survivor if you press a certain button/key? she could also get killer instinct and you can choose whether or not you want to swap to her while she’s walking to the first downed survivor. she’s not lethal while you’re victor, just more convenient for not having to run across the map. imagine being a survivor and seeing charlotte make her way over to the survivor victor downed. this works well with their character lore, in my opinion.
Yeah its kinda sad that the knight is like they looked at the twins and were like "how can we do them better" and instead of reworking them, they just made them a better version
I don't enjoy playing as or versus the Twins. But I'd rather have them than playing versus a nurse. Also, had a match against the twins a few weeks back. This player was such a wholesome individual. One of my teammates gave up on hook instantly and the other two were downed. I was about to give up too because I wasn't in the mood to even try. He felt bad I guess, couldn't ask or even thank him because he was on another platform but he farmed the rest of the match with me and the other random that wasn't dead. Genuinly the nicest twins player I met so far.
im one of the People that are really happy not more People play Twins. I really despise going against the Twins and i remember when they were played more after the release. It made me straight up uninstall the Game because being slugged on the Ground the entire match or camped on Hook by Victor was just so frustrating. That paired with the Fact that learning Twins isnt at all rewarding for a long time. Learning Hillbilly, or Huntress or Nurse, you feel really good when you do something good and make a good Play. But with Twins, you just get kicked in the Head and hear another Gen Pop in the distance because Survivor really dont wanna play against you. Wich i 100% Understand. I would love to say something like: They should just completly rework how the Twins play, but that would be unfair to the People that actually enjoy playing them. Just like People say that Legion should be reworked because they are a Mending Simulator. But i really like the Legion like they are now.
Identity V player here, I think it's funny that twins is such a unused character in dbd while in identity v a killer with the same concept, the dream witch, is in the meta. There are differences between them and I think applying some of them could be fixes to victor. I am pretty new to dead by daylight so far and don't know what works best with the game so I will just address some other mechanics of the dream witch. The dream witch is able to leech her followers, the equivalent to victor, onto survivors. If they are leeched onto the survivor they follow them over the map but stay lifeless until the dream witch either switches to the follower or the survivor removes the leech. The dream witch has better map control due to being able to spawn multiple followers around the map next to her main follower. After the spawned folllowers hit a survivor once they dissapear. Only the main follower will remain after hitting a survivor. You switch from playing your follower back to the dream witch automatically if the follower is too far away from the dream witches body (which could be a good balance incase the twins would get some decent buffs to avoid camping severely as victor. It also would give a reason to move around as charlotte making her more of a base) The dream witch cannot attack at all during the entire game but is important for the map coordination and spawning and managing followers. Other than these abilities, I don't think the cooldown for Victor should be so long except they decide to give Charlotte a sort of "rage" ability especially because of her protective role in the lore, like you've mentioned.
Yeah I Love Demo for his Shred, learning to hit long shots always felt fun, but then when playing Victor I liked the pounces, but.. once they uped the cooldown I had to stop, I never saw a killer be punished so much for actually using their power in sucess. Lovely video though
Literally went against one today at RPD. They only used Victor and just used the big one to block stairs and hook ppl. They kept going around slugging ppl. It was the longest most boring game I've played in awhile.
As a Twins main myself, its really saddening to see how abandoned they are. Not only are they one of the weakest killers in the game, but the devs aren't even close to giving them a rework and I don't think they will for a long while. The rage idea is absolutely brilliant, after Charlotte gets a hit on a survivor it should be disabled till Victor gets crushed again. Here are some other ideas to make The Twins better! Make idle Charlotte able to detect survivors nearby too. Both idle Charlotte and Victor hurt survivors that get too nearby. Victor can no longer be crushed after missing a hit. After crushing Victor, your speed is lowered by 30% for 30 seconds. The Twins is still really fun to play, but i'd wish for it to be less punishing. I usually get 4k-3k as twins but when I get a loss it just doesn't feel right.
Now that Behaviour is experimenting more with AI, I think it would be the perfect moment for a rework. Instead of just "sleeping", both of them could patrol the area and if they see a survivor, go and try to kill them, like Knight's goons. Also, it would be very nice to have Victor drag a survivor up to Charlotte.
On the other hand this would make the camping twins only more annoying to face. I don't know how twins could be fixed. Their whole power is so badly designed.
Things that i think would make THE TWINS better: > Charllote being able to move around attacking survivors while you control Victor, and Victor being able to move around and alert Charllote of survivors while you control her. > Victor being able to move survivors around like a l4d jockey in the direction of Charllote while in their backs. > A rage state that would make Charllote faster in doing things when survivors kick Victor. > Victor would steal items from survivors once he's on their backs.
The Twins are fun in that everytime my friends see Victor it turns into an odd slugfest of "KICK THE GREMLIN!" and "Oh crap, we're all on the ground." That being said, I got stuck twice for using my power, I couldn't move Charlotte at all after gaining back control of her. I could only slash and look around but not move. This happened twice, but I can't discard a third. So yeah... Fun killer.
The thing that sucks is that they're such a cool idea. They're also really twisted looking which is very cool. I hope they can rework bits of them so they can get taken more. I would say that Victor could, when standing, kinda run around an area and give off little sound cues when someone comes near. And Charlotte could just patrol around with basic AI.
I'm so used to Squarespace ads that when he said "One of the most important things when selling a product is a good first impression" I immediately taped to skip before I noticed it was part of the video.
a good fix would be a broken status (cant be healed or heal yourself) effect to downed survivors that lasts around 10 seconds after they are downed by victor and can be extended with add ons to 20. i would put more time on it but then it would just promote more slugging on the twins and i just want to prevent the fact that when a survivor is downed, before you arrive with charlotte, the survivor is already being picked up by other survivors because they start healing as soon as they're down while you have to transition to charlotte so 10 seconds broken + having to kick victor buys enough time for charlotte without being exploitable
I'm happy you mentioned her visual design as well. Twins is the only killer in the game that makes me gag a little if I look at her too much. Which you could argue is the intended reaction to get out of a killer! You want to feel some type of negative response when looking at them. But it completely throws me off of wanting to spend shards on her, let alone real money. I don't like the stumpy noise of her walk animation even though that slight limp shown in how her weapon moves is fitting to her swollen leg. I don't like the gaping hole in her torso that Victor pokes out of. I don't like the decomposing, yellowing, patches of flesh on Victor's hands and I'll stop there because I'm making myself sick just writing this. Clown's design is also disgusting but he plays so well off of the "mascot serial killer" trope that I can't help but love his appearance. I mean, the Puddles cosmetic alone. I know BHVR would never admit this because it wouldn't draw good attention, but there's no way that Clown isn't inspired by real life serial killers, everything about him reeks it. Plus the fear of clowns, which is a given. Dredge is this squelching, amalgamation of flesh and bone which somehow still isn't as disgusting as Twins. Plus he plays off of eldritch horrors and the type of creatures you would see in Darkest Dungeon. Plague is one of the more disgusting killers in the game too both design and power-wise and yet she still manages to not throw me off because she's not only a lady that throws up, she's a Babylonian goddess. Typing this out, I think it's just a combination of everything. Her colour palette, her lore. They're just...unappealing in design, nothing attracts you to them unless they're the last killer you haven't bought and you want to spend some shards to complete your roaster. You'd think that if they wanted to make a killer based in France they would touch on the bubonic plague, rats and plague doctors! When you put her up against everyone else lore-wise, she does seem pretty boring, doesn't she?
Branching off of what mintskull said earlier in the video about how being able to control each individual member of The Legion should've been their power to begin with, what I think would be an equally cool power imo is that the legion would be able to disguise themself to look like a normal survivor and even have the same animations as survivors (though maybe slightly varied to make it easier for survivors to distinguish between the legion and their teammates), they could also gain special actions like fake healing, doing generators, and cleansing totems. If you think about it this also fits the lore in a way (though maybe not a good one) because in their lore they were just a bunch of teenagers that were secretly The Legion. It also better fits the trailer that first announced The Legion, as it shows Frank (the first member of The Legion ) running alongside an unsuspecting David (the survivor with deadhard) and as they make it into the Mount Ormond Resort lodge (the main building of the mount ormond map) and as David looks away Frank puts the mask of The Legion on and proceeds to stab and kill David once he looks back. I still think that feral frenzy is a cool power but I like my idea better. Anybody else agree?
Twins can be really annoying when playing survivor but the most creatively annoying part is that she can block off certain generators on some maps and that can turn a 3 gen into a 2 gen because Charlotte body blocks 1 of them. Pair that with call of brine so it regresses faster and you have a guaranteed loss. Any 1 man generator. The bathroom on the game. The guillotine on dead dawg etc.
@@jenniferg452 thats 30 seconds that the gen is not able to be worked on, and it doesnt really take that long to injure someone with victor so thats not a valid argument
I think in the rework they should make something like Charlotte patrols for gens and pallets kind of like the knight does and victor will run around looking for survivors then you get a noise notification when he finds them but he'll run back to you and to stop Charlotte from being an m1 killer maybe they could give her something like an insta down since she's the older stronger one but for the insta down a survivor would have to kick Victor (like you said in the video) and maybe give her speed? Or make her deal some sort of status effect like deep wounds (but a new one) or something like that and Victor could have some sort of fighting thing when a survivor kicks him but he needs to still have some sort of thing that makes him worth kicking else the strategy would be just don't kick Victor then Charlotte would be an m1 killer
I feel like its utter nonsense that Charlotte doesn't like. Run after you while you play as Victor. She needs to come over eventually anyway and she should be protective of him! She should probably limit herself to taking potshots at survivors who get to close, but her just standing there oh my god
This video hurts me because I love the Twins, I think horror wise, the design is awesome. Their story is tragic and interesting. And curious enough, the blue widow outfit is my favorite ❤️
I'm glad you mentioned visuals and character design, cause for some people, like myself, this is a VERY important factor. If a killer looks awful, ugly, or stupid (with the twins checking all these boxes and more,) I simply won't bother with them. It sounds funny, but the rule of cool is a real thing and if a killer looks as gawd awful as the twins do, people won't wanna buy skins for them and therefore, won't want to play as them.
But they're supposed to look unsettling tbh I think that's why people dislike them . Nobody can say the twins are boring because they have a unique power although it could use some tweaks . Not all Twins players camp but it is a good strategy, same goes for slugging. I main Twins because they are genuinely fun to play in my opinion. I like Charlotte's very plain look too not every killer needs to be attractive like Wesker or trickster . I don't think Charlotte is ugly anyway maybe a bit smelly but people literally simp over Plague and she vomits on everything
Let's see, ugly? She's a conjoined twin in old France, deformed look and no showers, awful? She had to scavenge clothes, and awful, I mean yeah they were seen as monsters of course they look awful. You can sh"* on the power but design team is goat
I just started playing Twins today, and I find them to be really fun and really good! Victor’s speed is such a powerful info-gathering tool, and keeping Charlotte and her terror radius near a regressing gen while Victor scouts around is strong, it’s basically some area denial. So Charlotte isn’t completely useless!
Yeah it seems to be a real hot take but I think the real reason people think twins are bad is because most people don't know how to play her (Kind of like sadako). I started playing her a month ago and without even running any gen regression she's one of my highest winrate killers.
Important correction here- Charlotte has no terror radius while idle. None at all. This means 2 very important things to play them correctly- be mindful of where you leave her. Survivors can easily be caught off guard when you swing out from behind cover after herding them that way with Vic. More importantly, however, it means that you can't take advantage of any terror radius perks while piloting the crotch goblin. (Technically you could get about 30 seconds of use by attaching him to your obsession but it's niche, and you'd no longer be controlling him at that point) So yeah- while running around with Vic there's no such thing as a terror radius anywhere on the map.
Interesting, although I think this idea of denying a gen might work better with knight and his guardia compagnia where you actually have multiple entities capable of injuring survivors on the field (legion cry)
I love playing as and vs twins. Victor is the homie. I do hope they get some changes soon, but looking at the pick rate I doubt it's high priority for the devs 😭 11:38 That's my outfit 😢
I know this is a little late, but I just wanted to add my two cents as a Twins main. I love the Twins. They're my favorite killer and have been for a while. I won't deny that they have a few problems, but there are genuine reasons that the few of us who play them love them. First of all, they're very strong. They're also very hard. If you're the kind of person who likes a challenge, but to be rewarded for your time put into a killer, Twins are incredible for that. There are so many things to learn with them and I'm still discovering new things every day, and getting good with Victor shots can be incredible rewarding with how lethal he can be against injured survivors. You can't play Twins like any other killer. The whole "spit out Victors repeatedly" isn't generally the best strategy because you're not supposed to play them like Huntress. They're a 4v1 killer (or 4v2, rather) who are meant to split their pressure across multiple survivors. I know a lot of killers prefer to play more chase-oriented killers, but if you enjoy a more macro focused gameplan, no killer can help with that better than Twins. And lastly, I know you addressed that this is incredibly personal opinion based, but I love the Twins's design. There's something very compelling about their story of a pair of French peasants who were hated by the world, and they hate the world back in turn. They have no one but each other, but their bond is unbreakable. Charlotte doesn't need to look super fancy or be a horribly mangled monster because that's not who she is. She's a person who's just doing what she can to survive.
I just feel very bad for this killer... I used to be a twins player with the passion before their nerf :( I want to share my twins rework idea -At first, cooldown of missed and succeded pounces is reduced to 3 seconds. -when victor is getting crushed, you can immediately switch back to Charlotte. -Victor not only can go outside the body of Charlotte, but also can enter again inside her chest without switching, if you nearby. - when you control victor, if someone is near Charlotte, victor gets alerted -for a nice effect, when they're idle and you are outside from they're alert range, looking at their direction, survivors will have a sort of "anxiety" status effect that makes you hear a faint terror radius (for example, being close to Charlotte or Victor, a fast repetitive heartbeat starts to ring like if one of them is coming or it's right behind you and your FOV is a little obscured) -if anyone is too close from Victor or Charlotte gets hit or down if injured.
Sounds so easy to make him a scout or smth, ignoring him has small repercussions by him ai following a survivor and giving information to Charlotte, kicking him sends Charlotte into a frenzy or stuff, but I don't play dbd, maybe that'd be harder to balance out than I think. Good vid.
I actually love playing Twins, but I can't play them right now as there is a bug where every so often after recalling from Victor, Charlotte is completely stuck. Don't know how they managed to get a bug from the PTB into 2022 but alright then. It's happened 3 times out of around 20 games and it essentially forces me to take the disconnect penalty.
I have fun playing with The Twins. They were the first killer that I prestiged with and I enjoy most of their mechanics. The biggest hurdle is the switching delay. A lot of times you are okay with Victor getting kicked because it means you instantly switch back to Charlotte to go grab your slug. But I often use Victor for surveillance and crowd control, while Charlotte does the cleanup. I don't slug very often, because of unbreakable and boons. As far as their powers, I love Oppression. The ability to regress three gens with one kick is pretty powerful, and I also like to add Huntress' Lullaby to make the penalties for the hard skill check worse if survivors are working on a different gen. Usually, my goal with Twins is to make doing gens tiresome, all while having Charlotte and Victor pressure and corral them into multiple hook situations (because more hooks make Lullaby better). This is mainly because the Twins don't have a slowdown power like other Killers do, so perks have to make up for it. I would love for Twins to get an instant switch over if the basekit Unbreakable is instituted. I think that would balance them somewhat because of the time it takes for Charlotte to make it to Victor's downed survivor. Charlotte rage (like Oni) for a brief period after Victor is kicked would be cool, and fit the lore. Fixing some of the bugs with Victor on stairs would also be great.
Great Video MintSkull, let's hope the upcoming rework (which is taking forever but confirmed) will make them feel more smooth! They're strong and fun but just takes forever to do anything... also please give Victor a hat thanks
Wow, thank you so much for watching! Now this is a Twins Main Approved Video :D Let's hope they don't drastically change Twins like they did with Freddy, and instead like you said, make them smoother while also at the same time, rework all their addons so that they are not dependant on toy sword and have a major variety of builds to choose from.
I really like your videos a lot, you cover such a broad variety of random DBD topics that I don’t see a lot of videos on. I know you’ve touched on points from the Halloween chapter like the original DS, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on that chapter too.
It doesn't matter how well you play this killer. Your actions always cost you valuable time. No other killer spends so much time to knock down a survivor with 2 hits then hook them.
Idk why they don't give Charlotte the ability to yeet Victor onto a survivor like a projectile. I think that would have worked better. Also, it should have been Tiffany Valentine and Chucky in Doll Form instead of two random french siblings, as that would have greatly improved sales as well as encourage BHVR to not release them bugged since it's a license.
Personally what I’d do is add add-ons that have charlotte or victor do stuff/new stuff while one is being controlled. Like you could make victor be able to latch onto one gen to slowly regress it, or have it where when victor is out, you can pick a gen and char will walk toward it and damage it if it’s being worked on, just something so there’s better synergy. Hell the knight has better synergy with his abilities
11:59 just watching that clip raises by blood pressure. Survivor didn't kick you just to troll you by running around in circles, making you miss, and *then* kick you.
If they would give the twins one of three updates, it would make them a much bigger threat. 1. While victor is attached there should be a timer, if the survivor doesn’t crush victor they should be put in the dying state. 2. Both charlette and victor should give you killer instinct, it makes it easier to monitor the map if both give you a notice when survivors are near. 3. When victor is unattached, charlotte should be given a speed boost until victor returns. This gives you a bunch of different play style options.
Some Ideas I had while playing them (enjoying them quite a bit, even if they are clunky as hell xD). Dont really know if I should post these on the official forums since... well the Devs arent known to listen to feedback to well. Idea 1) Attack of the stealth Demon Babyboy: - Remove the Map wide "Switch" Sound they create - While Victor is out, he can give an order to the idle Charlotte to follow him (this suggestion was already made and I really like it) - Same goes for Charlotte (or she should just be able to recall the idle victor to her) - "Cats Eye" becomes basekit - While Victor is attached to an survivor, Charlotte gains "Undetectable" Status instead of only the "victorized" survivor being "Oblivious". The Status lingers for 10 Seconds after Victor starts "re-growing" (fitting the twins story of being hunted and forced to hide their presence at all times) Idea 2) Juggernaut Charlotte: - "Crushing" Victor applies "Broken" and "Oblivious" Status effect for 60 Seconds (helping them as an inbuild "anti heal") - Victor will down a Survivor that holds him hostage for longer than 50 Seconds - Idle Charlotte will automatically follow Victor after 15 Seconds (can be changed with reworked add ons) - While Charlotte is alone, her Vaulting speed and Pallet/Gen breaking Speed is increased by 15% (not as strong as brutal strength but still a good %) - Charlotte is able to recall Victor (attached or idle) after 15 seconds - This one is... well maybe extreme so bear with me: Everytime Victor is "Crushed" while inside of Charlottes TR the Survivor gains a "Mark of Grief". After reaching 5 "Mark of Grief" and being hooked atleast once, the marked survivor can be morid the next time they are downed (A little "finisher like Sadakos or Pyramids to add some spice. And I believe it fits Charlottes theme of her going through the 5 Stages of Grief herself after losing the real Victor while alive) And some non thematic ideas/changes: - Idle Victor "re-grows" while in close proximity of an hooked survivor (no more parking Victor under a hook before hooking) - Victors re-grow timer is increased from 6 seconds to ... maybe 18 seconds?
Twins are bugged rn and unplayable sadly. When you go in victor and back theres a very good chance you will just freeze and have to DC or be stuck in match frozen :( Yes I am one of 3 twins mains :)
ok... a adrenaline fueled rage from victor being kicked would be SO COOL!!! imagine like a gutteral scream of agony and Charlotte charges at you with haste until victor respawns! it would be so fun bc if you use victor close by it's a completely different play stye, now if a survivor wants to kick they get punished from Charlotte being nearby
getting kicked in the face and t bagged from the view of a 2 inch high first person camera by the survivors that are supposed to fear you is so unenjoyable lmao
I love the twins visual design, specifically because it's so gross. The playstyle that the power leans into, being slugging and camping, is what I dont like about them and why I dont play them.
I have played twins during halloween event. Sanctum of wraith, 3 survivors left and each of them dead on hook. I am standing on the top of the temple, saw a survivor, and activated my power. Then, SOMEHOW i softlocked myself, I couldn't move as a victor, atack or switch back to chartlotte. It was the middle of the temple. I have just patiently waited when they do all gen and leave.
I think it would of been cool to see the twins working off each other. Perhaps big lady could break pallets faster and can move faster if she is going in The direction of victor. While victor would have his pounce, could hunt survivors and would follow anyone coming close to him for situations like guarding a hook and giving vision to big lady
I mean yeah the power is still some what annoying to use in live game, But the Oppression perk is surprisingly viable with other killers. Like adding Oppression onto Blight with his Dragons Grip or maybe combining it with some other gen control perks can surprisingly make the twins a very map control heavy killer. Which is a bit sweaty to a extent but its one way to make playing twins at lest manageable or at lest in my eyes when I play as killer cause I mostly just play twins as I like the idea of two killers on body.
since they have AI in the game, having the unused twin on AI control maybe scouring the area near the controlled twin could make for a unique feature and easy recall. Something like slowing their speeds while apart or that they need to be together to move bodies could show the lore based need for connection while allowing players the feeling or two unique characters. Especially if one had a charge and the other a rage on its death to give each something unique and deadly. I also thinking moving between the two povs could be insanely fun. The AI controlling a spastic Victor while she lumbered about could easily confuse people on who was in control. Plus the idea of her just standing there.. creepy but harmless.. nerve wracking at first, but once you know, just means you can easily work around her. Go far away and then even if your caught, you got a chance of crawling to safety to get patched up before your reached.
Twin's design is awfull, their terror radius music is average, their power isn't fun to play with or against, their most efficient playstyle require slugging, their own perks are bad and their lore is boring. Sure, it is up to personal preference, but I can't say I'm surprised to see that Twins are the less used killer.
Every time I see a video like this I'm like, "I love twins conceptually!". Then I try them again and hate life for the next 10 minutes and never touch them again.
Honestly, I think making Iridescent Pendant basekit would not only be a nice buff, but would also fit lore-wise. They could possibly remove the "when Victor is kicked while idle" clause, since it's rare that Charlotte is ever close to Victor when he's in chase, but I think an internal CD of the Exposed effect might be necessary at that point or maybe Victor can't be released for 45s once kicked if this change was implemented. It's just clear that to most people, Twins are not fun to play either as or against, and IF Unbreakable becomes basekit (hopefully it doesn't or, like the perk says currently, can only occur once per match) then Twins' only legitimate playstyle currently becomes obsolete. Like the video said, it's one thing to be a killer with a lackluster power but strong perks or a strong killer with lackluster perks; it's entirely a different issue if the killer is weak and the perks are garbage.
i have a cool idea for reworking twins. When you are controling Victor, Charlotte follows you and when you down a survivor with Victor he disappears and you are switched to Charlotte.
I do agree that after Victor dies Charlotte needs to go into a rage, gain movement speed maybe, or insta down, or even be capable of throwing her shovel
One thought I had to help fix the twins is to make victor drag survivors to charlotte to stop the slugging problem. To fix the punishing power problem you cannot be kicked You hit a survivor and decreased the cooldown when you hit a survivor but increased the cooldown when you miss To fix the camping victor will not reveal survivors with killer instinct if he is near a hook and will be instantly destroyed if an unhook happens near him To prevent kidnapping victor you can call him instantly when on the back and you will slow vault all windows and pallets with victor on. To fix Charlotte being boring you can throw victor at survivors
I play the Twins every now and again but mainly because i prefer playing killers who are more upfront, i.e. Bubba, Carmina and Wesker. Tbh if Victor had an A.I and could hinder the recovery process of survivors downed by him, it could be a decent start to reworking them. Hell give AI a chance for the one you don't play as and maybe things could go well for them. The bugs this chapter came with were definately a dark time for this game.
Ive thought of 2 changes for victor, note I'm a killer main(usually make it to gold rank before reset) that hasn't touched twins in a while 1: When downing a survivor with victor, they receive an effect simular to knockout, it would prolly replace the aura blocking for an inability to pick yourself off of the ground, stoping your recovery at about 90% 2: If a survivor decides to kidnap victor a timer starts, about 20 seconds with victor and not in chase will put you in the dying state, we can say that victor gets impatient and kills them, during this time the survivors are exhausted and have a -10% - -25% reduction to heal speed, gen speed, and gate speed with about a 3% hindered status. If a survivor tries to leave with victor having been on them for longer than about 5 seconds they get instantly killed(like a pig trap). If this doesnt seem balanced, feel free to discuss. I am open to suggestions.
Before ANYONE says that the cooldown of a pounce attack is 5 seconds... keep watching the video 🙂 Also this video features a post credits scene just in case you are curious, but it just showcases my frustration trying to record footage for this video.
Mint skull started a cinematic universe (the M.K.C.U) he doing the post credits scenes
@@oliverthedum2129 Into the Mintskullverse
@@MintSkull top ten most anticipated anime’s of 2023
For Kate and bubba video ( Kate Denson jumper is called Mustang Sally)
It is reference to Sally hardesty ( bubba survivor
The fact that Demogorgon, a character you literally cannot buy anymore, has a higher pick rate than one of the more recent killers readily available for purchase is funny as hell.
i miss demo i need him to come back :( most likely wont happen though
@@mcmlii.v I know about dbd leaks and I feel that they’re leaks aren’t authentic anymore they vouched for the knight being licensed and for demo to come back on the 6th of November none of them were true
@@bigantdud3499 They were correct about Dredge, Mastermind, and the Knight's existence, even if they weren't entirely accurate. They also revealed the new, expanded/remodeled Basement (which currently exists on the PTB and will release this coming patch) several months before it would be added.
I know they haven't been 100% accurate, but I would say they've done a good job with not being entirely misleading.
@@mcmlii.v they’ve done a good job but how Netflix has been acting I doubt they would bring demo back even if it would be a good idea
@@mcmlii.v im just gonna keep my hopes up anymore
Dude, Charlotte entering a rage state when Victor is killed is a great idea! She could gain faster movement, breaking, vaulting and a longer lunge for a period, much like tier 3 Myers. Maybe whenever he's on a survivor's back to force the survivor to crush him to get the rage state on a timer. It would fit Charlotte's lore perfectly.
Or Charlotte could have some kind of ability on her right click whener Victor was separate from her. Spice the Twins up!
Charlotte should also detect people when idle. Why can only Victor do it?
Victor is super fun but Charlotte is lame.
This is one of the best rework ideas iv ever seen!
Imagine her shooting Blood of her chest hole (like Plagues puke) as long Victor doesn't fill the hole with his body xD
And when she downed a survivor, voctor would CUM back and say something like "mommy give me some milk", like i say whenever a twins picks me up. Which i would no joke, only need 2 hands to count how many times that happened.
It reallt sounds great* but this only encourages taking hostage victor even more :(
@@raikuzenjr7494 Charlotte's rage state wouldn't end till Victor was returned. If Charlotte was moving 5% faster and everything else I think they'd need to return him.
Fun fact: Apparently, Victor isn't Victor, because he is dead. It something that the entity made so that Charlotte would serve it
Thank you for clearing that up I was so confused about her funeral outfit
It's more that Victor was resurrected, because although Charlotte would be happy to serve the entity, Victor wouldn't necessarily so the entity changed him.
the entity can ressurect ppl tho, she did it to the pig
That's an unconfirmed theory.
@@kimberlyterasaki4843 ty
The buff they should give twins is that they should give a button while Victor is out you can call him to come to you or you can call Charlotte to come to you
NURSE AND TRICKSTER ARE BELOW THE TWINS SO CLICKBAITTTTTT
That would actually make them way better, even if I already main them.
@@alehlete830 twins are still the worst, most broken killers in the game. doesnt make a difference
@@alehlete830 they are below on the table but not in percentages look closely
They don't need a buff?? Twins is already a tier. Moron
Imagine if Victor was controlled by AI while you control Charlotte, walking around the map and trying to find survivors. You could switch between Charlotte and Victor so the survivors need to guess if it's you or if they're being chased by the AI. Other than the pounce (that you have to use manually) Victor could be able to recall Charlotte who would autopath to him. And the rage state seems like a great addition!
AI is super boring design. Like Knight is basically shift W m1 killer and you just spam bots. With AI there's like almost no skill involved.
That’s a terrible idea lol
I would hate that tbh. I position Victor and Charlotte in areas I want/need them to be in. Whether its to shut down a loop, safeguard a gen, act as a wiretap, or proxy camp. I don't want them moving around and just randomly doing things because of AI.
@@YagamiTrala Well there is with Knight because of all 3 knights being different from each other. But you're right, I don't want Twins just being a Knight-Lite killer. I prefer being able to position them like I want to depending on the situation.
@@TheLethalDiva you can't even choose which guard you want to use, which makes it not very skilful and also the most efficient way is to just spit whatever guard you have at loop, it doesn't really matter who it is.
I used to play the twins. i had like 200 annivery cakes and flans on them, then i realized i could be playing something that didn't actually punish me for playing well like a punt to the charisma-unt.
Pro tip; You weren't actually playing well.
@@Antarctide he prolly was tho. twins require skill
@@Antarctide you get slapped with an 8 second fatigue for every successful down + you have to walk a few more something seconds to get to the downed perso.
assuming you can get more than 12 downs in a match, you lose about 96 seconds worth of time just being in fatigue alone and counting the amount of time just trying to get to the downed body you can add a few more seconds to the timer. you're wasting a lot of time just downing and grabbing the survivors you downed. sacrificing a few gens just for the down.
by the time you reach them its likely the downed person already recovered thanks to how common COH is.
@Basement_Trickster exactly this was around the time when pixel bush's channel started blowing up and it changed a disastrous chapter into one where I fell in love with the lore from elodie to the twins and yet while elodie has stayed as one of my mains the twins were just to badly designed for it, she also gets no cute skins
Twins is just too fucking hard for most people to use, I think. Because not only do you have to be accurate with Victor, which I find is difficult because of the charge time, but you need to know when exactly to control each character, and with COH and exponential and maybe soon basekit unbreakable, it’s hard to play them and win.
Forced Penance is a must on Twins. It works with Victor. Also, the cat's eye addon is hilarious and turns you into sneaky Victor for a different kind of playstyle.
@@tinytelephones forced pennacd and sloppy butcher, agation as well...
You don't have to use Victor to down survivors, that's just the way most people play him. You can also use him as radar to zone the map, find survivors quickly, and establish and safeguard 3 gens much easier than most other killers can.
I'm a new player and this is the killer that give me the most success.
Twins is easy to play really no one killer is difficult honestly
Mint Skull, that last montage was hilarious. I am glad that this wasn't a complete Twins hate train and you did take note of how the devs have neglected them. Honestly, Charlotte being able to see the auras of the people who kill Victor and getting a minor speed boost after he gets kicked feels like a way to buff them that wouldn't be oppressive and would make Charlotte more unique.
From a ugly design, to them being incredibly weak, all the bugs, yeah its just a concoction of what NOT to put in the chapter.
I mean, they are supposed to look ugly.
Well The Twins aren't supposed to look pretty
@@Etzelsschizo You can still make a ugly design visually appealing
@@darkron288 Some of dbd’s designs are very iconic, Plague, Dredge, Spirit, Trickster, etc… others such as twins and blight and deathslinger all came out during a time when bhvr’s favorite color palette was from mud brown to shit brown
they ain't weak, what
13:20
"7 minutes, 7 minutes is all i can spare to play with you, after that, i will take some coffee, and a walk with the dog, furthermore i will require to visit my oculist since using this dark cool glasses makes my vision worse with time."
I hope that with the Twins rework, they will implement some of the new tech and AI they used for The Knight, so you are literally having two killers. Obviously, not the same as The Knight, but make it so one isn't useless when controlling the other.
At least having Charlotte guard an area would be an interesting ability interaction, and Victor should jump on a survivor's back when a survivor comes to close. Twins is basically just a transformer like Oni. They're pounce Oni
No no no no no! Do NOT make my Victor a goddammit AI.
@@Doncroft1 we tell about standing Victor. It will be cool, if Victor could hit survivors while you are playing as Sharlot
@@SmihoTvor_lite as a twins main, i dont want the game to hold my hand when i play my killers
@@BouncingTribbles 0:01
I had an idea for a rework:
Maybe when you control victor, it makes it so charlotte follows you from a certain distance and attacks survivors that get too cloose. And you can use victor to jump onto survivors and move them around like the left 4 dead jockey so you can get them close to charlotte
I also had the idea that Charlotte could gain a speed boost of sorts when making her way directly to victor, potentially, victor could Pounce on the survivor distract the m then Charlotte could come and finish it.
I also think Victor's ai should do stuff by itself like follow survivors, Pounce on them, etc.
Twins rework: After Victor "dies" Charlotte gets into a rage. She gets a speed bonus for 15 seconds and kicks pallets fastet for 30 seconds (kinda like fast kicking perk)
After giving Victor control Charlotte will roam around and hurt any survivor near her. If Victor is in 20 meters of Charlotte he will pounce slightly faster like 1 or 2 percent.
If your control Charlotte, Victor will automatically pounce on anyone in front of him. But the Survivors can kick him in the back.(He will stand still just don't let him see you while he's facing that direction)
That would be perfect 10% increase in speed and break pallets and gens and vault 25% fast
Brutal strength is the perk
In my experience trying out Twins, I realize this. Using them for value feels so sluggish and slow. Releasing Victor and recalling feel so awkward. The only benefit they have is Victor feels okayish to handle and the speed when he comes back for use. Apart from that, it feels slow to release Victor and have to slug people for pressure when I want to use hooks. They feel punishing to play as for efficiency
i actually started playing right before the binding of kin released, and it scared me SO BAD! the trailer terrified me and i thought the twins were so cool. theyre still some of my favorite killers, just because of that nostalgia factor. but i remember that my first game against the twins was a total let down, because they werent at all scary like the trailer. victor just glitched out and floated around the match
I also feel so bad for them lore wise 😪 that's why there up there as one of my favorite killers I just wish I could play them
Exactly. If you kick Viktor you become exposed for 30 seconds and Charolette gets 10 secs of haste; also maybe after Viktor downs someone she gets 20 secs of haste, and when Viktor jumps on someone’s face make it to where he stays on longer. Now that would be a killer worth playing
I feel like that could be a very rare add on
@@taviccYT one already is, I can’t remember if very rare is purple or pink but one of her pink add one is if a survivor kicks Viktor they get exposed for 45s
they should do this only if you land the hit, don't want more features to benefit killers for playing poorly and not willing to actually learn to play better, yes I'm looking at you, noed users who slug for the 4k or facecamps the hook for not being able to get 1k during the trial before the exit gates are powered.
What if charlotte immediately makes her way to the first downed survivor if you press a certain button/key? she could also get killer instinct and you can choose whether or not you want to swap to her while she’s walking to the first downed survivor. she’s not lethal while you’re victor, just more convenient for not having to run across the map. imagine being a survivor and seeing charlotte make her way over to the survivor victor downed. this works well with their character lore, in my opinion.
If wonder if u could bodyblock ai charlotte
It wouldn't match with their charater maybe give them like a 10% speed buff ?
@@IHaveInsomnia333 how does it not?
As long as she didn't get stuck on a bush.
The Skull Merchant: Hold my beer
Yeah its kinda sad that the knight is like they looked at the twins and were like "how can we do them better" and instead of reworking them, they just made them a better version
Otz: "give viktor a little top hat"
He legit would be so cute with cosmetics
I don't enjoy playing as or versus the Twins.
But I'd rather have them than playing versus a nurse.
Also, had a match against the twins a few weeks back.
This player was such a wholesome individual.
One of my teammates gave up on hook instantly and the other two were downed.
I was about to give up too because I wasn't in the mood to even try.
He felt bad I guess, couldn't ask or even thank him because he was on another platform but he farmed the rest of the match with me and the other random that wasn't dead.
Genuinly the nicest twins player I met so far.
'"Use your brother as ammo" - best quote XD
1:38 NOOO YOU CAN'T CALL VICTOR A BABY THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY GAME 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬
Is a baby not family friendly?
Mcote is aproaching my location as we speak 😰
im one of the People that are really happy not more People play Twins.
I really despise going against the Twins and i remember when they were played more after the release. It made me straight up uninstall the Game because being slugged on the Ground the entire match or camped on Hook by Victor was just so frustrating. That paired with the Fact that learning Twins isnt at all rewarding for a long time.
Learning Hillbilly, or Huntress or Nurse, you feel really good when you do something good and make a good Play. But with Twins, you just get kicked in the Head and hear another Gen Pop in the distance because Survivor really dont wanna play against you. Wich i 100% Understand.
I would love to say something like: They should just completly rework how the Twins play, but that would be unfair to the People that actually enjoy playing them.
Just like People say that Legion should be reworked because they are a Mending Simulator. But i really like the Legion like they are now.
Learning Twins is super rewarding! Getting pogshots with Victor feels amazing, look up Lynxi's compilation of cool shots.
Identity V player here, I think it's funny that twins is such a unused character in dbd while in identity v a killer with the same concept, the dream witch, is in the meta. There are differences between them and I think applying some of them could be fixes to victor. I am pretty new to dead by daylight so far and don't know what works best with the game so I will just address some other mechanics of the dream witch.
The dream witch is able to leech her followers, the equivalent to victor, onto survivors. If they are leeched onto the survivor they follow them over the map but stay lifeless until the dream witch either switches to the follower or the survivor removes the leech. The dream witch has better map control due to being able to spawn multiple followers around the map next to her main follower. After the spawned folllowers hit a survivor once they dissapear. Only the main follower will remain after hitting a survivor. You switch from playing your follower back to the dream witch automatically if the follower is too far away from the dream witches body (which could be a good balance incase the twins would get some decent buffs to avoid camping severely as victor. It also would give a reason to move around as charlotte making her more of a base) The dream witch cannot attack at all during the entire game but is important for the map coordination and spawning and managing followers.
Other than these abilities, I don't think the cooldown for Victor should be so long except they decide to give Charlotte a sort of "rage" ability especially because of her protective role in the lore, like you've mentioned.
Yoooo wasn't excepting to see my concept here lol. Love the video Mint! Keep making cool stuff :)
I swear if BHVR doesn’t make your concepy a reality, I’m going to be mad! It’s the most fitting and smartest idea I have seen for a blighted outfit 😄
The rage idea after victors death would actually be really smart and would make sense.
Yeah I Love Demo for his Shred, learning to hit long shots always felt fun, but then when playing Victor I liked the pounces, but.. once they uped the cooldown I had to stop, I never saw a killer be punished so much for actually using their power in sucess. Lovely video though
The twins have such a low pick rate, let’s nerf pig.
Literally went against one today at RPD. They only used Victor and just used the big one to block stairs and hook ppl. They kept going around slugging ppl. It was the longest most boring game I've played in awhile.
As a Twins main myself, its really saddening to see how abandoned they are. Not only are they one of the weakest killers in the game, but the devs aren't even close to giving them a rework and I don't think they will for a long while.
The rage idea is absolutely brilliant, after Charlotte gets a hit on a survivor it should be disabled till Victor gets crushed again.
Here are some other ideas to make The Twins better!
Make idle Charlotte able to detect survivors nearby too.
Both idle Charlotte and Victor hurt survivors that get too nearby.
Victor can no longer be crushed after missing a hit.
After crushing Victor, your speed is lowered by 30% for 30 seconds.
The Twins is still really fun to play, but i'd wish for it to be less punishing. I usually get 4k-3k as twins but when I get a loss it just doesn't feel right.
Now that Behaviour is experimenting more with AI, I think it would be the perfect moment for a rework. Instead of just "sleeping", both of them could patrol the area and if they see a survivor, go and try to kill them, like Knight's goons. Also, it would be very nice to have Victor drag a survivor up to Charlotte.
On the other hand this would make the camping twins only more annoying to face. I don't know how twins could be fixed. Their whole power is so badly designed.
@@marleyfa845 Oh I didn't even think about that... Yeah, honestly their power idea was a mess since the start
Things that i think would make THE TWINS better:
> Charllote being able to move around attacking survivors while you control Victor, and Victor being able to move around and alert Charllote of survivors while you control her.
> Victor being able to move survivors around like a l4d jockey in the direction of Charllote while in their backs.
> A rage state that would make Charllote faster in doing things when survivors kick Victor.
> Victor would steal items from survivors once he's on their backs.
The Twins are fun in that everytime my friends see Victor it turns into an odd slugfest of "KICK THE GREMLIN!" and "Oh crap, we're all on the ground."
That being said, I got stuck twice for using my power, I couldn't move Charlotte at all after gaining back control of her.
I could only slash and look around but not move. This happened twice, but I can't discard a third.
So yeah... Fun killer.
The thing that sucks is that they're such a cool idea. They're also really twisted looking which is very cool. I hope they can rework bits of them so they can get taken more. I would say that Victor could, when standing, kinda run around an area and give off little sound cues when someone comes near. And Charlotte could just patrol around with basic AI.
I'm so used to Squarespace ads that when he said "One of the most important things when selling a product is a good first impression" I immediately taped to skip before I noticed it was part of the video.
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13:21 if wesker downed chris that is EXACTLY what he would do lmao
MintSkull: NOBODY plays Twins.
Lynxi: Hold my seltzer.
a good fix would be a broken status (cant be healed or heal yourself) effect to downed survivors that lasts around 10 seconds after they are downed by victor and can be extended with add ons to 20.
i would put more time on it but then it would just promote more slugging on the twins and i just want to prevent the fact that when a survivor is downed, before you arrive with charlotte, the survivor is already being picked up by other survivors because they start healing as soon as they're down while you have to transition to charlotte
so 10 seconds broken + having to kick victor buys enough time for charlotte without being exploitable
14:44 during that entire scene I had the South Park 'Kick the baby!' joke stuck in my head 😓
This kind of play style would have been ok if it wasn’t [The Twins]should be Chucky and Tiffany Charlotte is Tiffany and Victor should be Chucky…….
I'm happy you mentioned her visual design as well. Twins is the only killer in the game that makes me gag a little if I look at her too much. Which you could argue is the intended reaction to get out of a killer! You want to feel some type of negative response when looking at them. But it completely throws me off of wanting to spend shards on her, let alone real money.
I don't like the stumpy noise of her walk animation even though that slight limp shown in how her weapon moves is fitting to her swollen leg.
I don't like the gaping hole in her torso that Victor pokes out of.
I don't like the decomposing, yellowing, patches of flesh on Victor's hands and I'll stop there because I'm making myself sick just writing this.
Clown's design is also disgusting but he plays so well off of the "mascot serial killer" trope that I can't help but love his appearance. I mean, the Puddles cosmetic alone. I know BHVR would never admit this because it wouldn't draw good attention, but there's no way that Clown isn't inspired by real life serial killers, everything about him reeks it. Plus the fear of clowns, which is a given.
Dredge is this squelching, amalgamation of flesh and bone which somehow still isn't as disgusting as Twins. Plus he plays off of eldritch horrors and the type of creatures you would see in Darkest Dungeon.
Plague is one of the more disgusting killers in the game too both design and power-wise and yet she still manages to not throw me off because she's not only a lady that throws up, she's a Babylonian goddess.
Typing this out, I think it's just a combination of everything. Her colour palette, her lore. They're just...unappealing in design, nothing attracts you to them unless they're the last killer you haven't bought and you want to spend some shards to complete your roaster. You'd think that if they wanted to make a killer based in France they would touch on the bubonic plague, rats and plague doctors!
When you put her up against everyone else lore-wise, she does seem pretty boring, doesn't she?
Branching off of what mintskull said earlier in the video about how being able to control each individual member of The Legion should've been their power to begin with, what I think would be an equally cool power imo is that the legion would be able to disguise themself to look like a normal survivor and even have the same animations as survivors (though maybe slightly varied to make it easier for survivors to distinguish between the legion and their teammates), they could also gain special actions like fake healing, doing generators, and cleansing totems. If you think about it this also fits the lore in a way (though maybe not a good one) because in their lore they were just a bunch of teenagers that were secretly The Legion. It also better fits the trailer that first announced The Legion, as it shows Frank (the first member of The Legion ) running alongside an unsuspecting David (the survivor with deadhard) and as they make it into the Mount Ormond Resort lodge (the main building of the mount ormond map) and as David looks away Frank puts the mask of The Legion on and proceeds to stab and kill David once he looks back. I still think that feral frenzy is a cool power but I like my idea better. Anybody else agree?
Twins can be really annoying when playing survivor but the most creatively annoying part is that she can block off certain generators on some maps and that can turn a 3 gen into a 2 gen because Charlotte body blocks 1 of them. Pair that with call of brine so it regresses faster and you have a guaranteed loss. Any 1 man generator. The bathroom on the game. The guillotine on dead dawg etc.
She loses collision after 30 seconds of being dormant though
@@jenniferg452 thats 30 seconds that the gen is not able to be worked on, and it doesnt really take that long to injure someone with victor so thats not a valid argument
I think in the rework they should make something like Charlotte patrols for gens and pallets kind of like the knight does and victor will run around looking for survivors then you get a noise notification when he finds them but he'll run back to you and to stop Charlotte from being an m1 killer maybe they could give her something like an insta down since she's the older stronger one but for the insta down a survivor would have to kick Victor (like you said in the video) and maybe give her speed? Or make her deal some sort of status effect like deep wounds (but a new one) or something like that and Victor could have some sort of fighting thing when a survivor kicks him but he needs to still have some sort of thing that makes him worth kicking else the strategy would be just don't kick Victor then Charlotte would be an m1 killer
I feel like its utter nonsense that Charlotte doesn't like. Run after you while you play as Victor. She needs to come over eventually anyway and she should be protective of him! She should probably limit herself to taking potshots at survivors who get to close, but her just standing there oh my god
This video hurts me because I love the Twins, I think horror wise, the design is awesome. Their story is tragic and interesting. And curious enough, the blue widow outfit is my favorite ❤️
agree i like twins
what would be a nice side power is like rage, the idea you said earlier, where charlotte would get a speed boost for a few seconds.
As a twins main this makes me sad to see. But as twins I love playing them because the pressure play they add makes matches last.
I'm glad you mentioned visuals and character design, cause for some people, like myself, this is a VERY important factor. If a killer looks awful, ugly, or stupid (with the twins checking all these boxes and more,) I simply won't bother with them. It sounds funny, but the rule of cool is a real thing and if a killer looks as gawd awful as the twins do, people won't wanna buy skins for them and therefore, won't want to play as them.
She has 2 outfits that cover her face that I use
But they're supposed to look unsettling tbh I think that's why people dislike them . Nobody can say the twins are boring because they have a unique power although it could use some tweaks . Not all Twins players camp but it is a good strategy, same goes for slugging. I main Twins because they are genuinely fun to play in my opinion. I like Charlotte's very plain look too not every killer needs to be attractive like Wesker or trickster . I don't think Charlotte is ugly anyway maybe a bit smelly but people literally simp over Plague and she vomits on everything
Let's see, ugly? She's a conjoined twin in old France, deformed look and no showers, awful? She had to scavenge clothes, and awful, I mean yeah they were seen as monsters of course they look awful.
You can sh"* on the power but design team is goat
My alarm went off perfectly as you said “Have you ever heard this sound” What a troll, I thought it was the actual video
I just started playing Twins today, and I find them to be really fun and really good! Victor’s speed is such a powerful info-gathering tool, and keeping Charlotte and her terror radius near a regressing gen while Victor scouts around is strong, it’s basically some area denial. So Charlotte isn’t completely useless!
Yeah it seems to be a real hot take but I think the real reason people think twins are bad is because most people don't know how to play her (Kind of like sadako). I started playing her a month ago and without even running any gen regression she's one of my highest winrate killers.
Important correction here- Charlotte has no terror radius while idle. None at all. This means 2 very important things to play them correctly-
be mindful of where you leave her. Survivors can easily be caught off guard when you swing out from behind cover after herding them that way with Vic. More importantly, however, it means that you can't take advantage of any terror radius perks while piloting the crotch goblin. (Technically you could get about 30 seconds of use by attaching him to your obsession but it's niche, and you'd no longer be controlling him at that point) So yeah- while running around with Vic there's no such thing as a terror radius anywhere on the map.
Interesting, although I think this idea of denying a gen might work better with knight and his guardia compagnia where you actually have multiple entities capable of injuring survivors on the field (legion cry)
I love playing as and vs twins. Victor is the homie. I do hope they get some changes soon, but looking at the pick rate I doubt it's high priority for the devs 😭
11:38 That's my outfit 😢
I know this is a little late, but I just wanted to add my two cents as a Twins main.
I love the Twins. They're my favorite killer and have been for a while. I won't deny that they have a few problems, but there are genuine reasons that the few of us who play them love them.
First of all, they're very strong. They're also very hard. If you're the kind of person who likes a challenge, but to be rewarded for your time put into a killer, Twins are incredible for that. There are so many things to learn with them and I'm still discovering new things every day, and getting good with Victor shots can be incredible rewarding with how lethal he can be against injured survivors.
You can't play Twins like any other killer. The whole "spit out Victors repeatedly" isn't generally the best strategy because you're not supposed to play them like Huntress. They're a 4v1 killer (or 4v2, rather) who are meant to split their pressure across multiple survivors. I know a lot of killers prefer to play more chase-oriented killers, but if you enjoy a more macro focused gameplan, no killer can help with that better than Twins.
And lastly, I know you addressed that this is incredibly personal opinion based, but I love the Twins's design. There's something very compelling about their story of a pair of French peasants who were hated by the world, and they hate the world back in turn. They have no one but each other, but their bond is unbreakable. Charlotte doesn't need to look super fancy or be a horribly mangled monster because that's not who she is. She's a person who's just doing what she can to survive.
The fact that there was a whole montage of victor getting body just show you how much they need a rework.
I just feel very bad for this killer... I used to be a twins player with the passion before their nerf :(
I want to share my twins rework idea
-At first, cooldown of missed and succeded pounces is reduced to 3 seconds.
-when victor is getting crushed, you can immediately switch back to Charlotte.
-Victor not only can go outside the body of Charlotte, but also can enter again inside her chest without switching, if you nearby.
- when you control victor, if someone is near Charlotte, victor gets alerted
-for a nice effect, when they're idle and you are outside from they're alert range, looking at their direction, survivors will have a sort of "anxiety" status effect that makes you hear a faint terror radius (for example, being close to Charlotte or Victor, a fast repetitive heartbeat starts to ring like if one of them is coming or it's right behind you and your FOV is a little obscured)
-if anyone is too close from Victor or Charlotte gets hit or down if injured.
Nerf? They mostly got buffs.
@@Antarctide what? how did they got buffs? You have to wait 7 seconds cooldown after a pounce and then switch to Charlotte.
Sounds so easy to make him a scout or smth, ignoring him has small repercussions by him ai following a survivor and giving information to Charlotte, kicking him sends Charlotte into a frenzy or stuff, but I don't play dbd, maybe that'd be harder to balance out than I think.
Good vid.
As someone who has has so much fun with the twins and usually get a 4k with them I don’t get why everyone thinks they suck
I found the Twin mains, you guys. Both of them!
I actually used to main twins, and I never heard the Victor unbound sound and it sounds awesome
Agree they are fun to play and if used right then they are very powerful too
I actually love playing Twins, but I can't play them right now as there is a bug where every so often after recalling from Victor, Charlotte is completely stuck. Don't know how they managed to get a bug from the PTB into 2022 but alright then. It's happened 3 times out of around 20 games and it essentially forces me to take the disconnect penalty.
I have fun playing with The Twins. They were the first killer that I prestiged with and I enjoy most of their mechanics. The biggest hurdle is the switching delay. A lot of times you are okay with Victor getting kicked because it means you instantly switch back to Charlotte to go grab your slug. But I often use Victor for surveillance and crowd control, while Charlotte does the cleanup. I don't slug very often, because of unbreakable and boons. As far as their powers, I love Oppression. The ability to regress three gens with one kick is pretty powerful, and I also like to add Huntress' Lullaby to make the penalties for the hard skill check worse if survivors are working on a different gen. Usually, my goal with Twins is to make doing gens tiresome, all while having Charlotte and Victor pressure and corral them into multiple hook situations (because more hooks make Lullaby better). This is mainly because the Twins don't have a slowdown power like other Killers do, so perks have to make up for it.
I would love for Twins to get an instant switch over if the basekit Unbreakable is instituted. I think that would balance them somewhat because of the time it takes for Charlotte to make it to Victor's downed survivor. Charlotte rage (like Oni) for a brief period after Victor is kicked would be cool, and fit the lore. Fixing some of the bugs with Victor on stairs would also be great.
Great Video MintSkull, let's hope the upcoming rework (which is taking forever but confirmed) will make them feel more smooth! They're strong and fun but just takes forever to do anything... also please give Victor a hat thanks
Wow, thank you so much for watching! Now this is a Twins Main Approved Video :D Let's hope they don't drastically change Twins like they did with Freddy, and instead like you said, make them smoother while also at the same time, rework all their addons so that they are not dependant on toy sword and have a major variety of builds to choose from.
It's sad because whoever wrote that compelling Tome put their whole bussy into it
That post credits montage is exactly every time I play twins
I really like your videos a lot, you cover such a broad variety of random DBD topics that I don’t see a lot of videos on. I know you’ve touched on points from the Halloween chapter like the original DS, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on that chapter too.
It doesn't matter how well you play this killer. Your actions always cost you valuable time. No other killer spends so much time to knock down a survivor with 2 hits then hook them.
Idk why they don't give Charlotte the ability to yeet Victor onto a survivor like a projectile. I think that would have worked better. Also, it should have been Tiffany Valentine and Chucky in Doll Form instead of two random french siblings, as that would have greatly improved sales as well as encourage BHVR to not release them bugged since it's a license.
Personally what I’d do is add add-ons that have charlotte or victor do stuff/new stuff while one is being controlled. Like you could make victor be able to latch onto one gen to slowly regress it, or have it where when victor is out, you can pick a gen and char will walk toward it and damage it if it’s being worked on, just something so there’s better synergy. Hell the knight has better synergy with his abilities
Playing against twins is pretty much like
"Ready Ike 4th and goal kick the baby!"
"Don't kick the god damn baby!"
"Kick the baby!"
11:59 just watching that clip raises by blood pressure. Survivor didn't kick you just to troll you by running around in circles, making you miss, and *then* kick you.
If they would give the twins one of three updates, it would make them a much bigger threat.
1. While victor is attached there should be a timer, if the survivor doesn’t crush victor they should be put in the dying state.
2. Both charlette and victor should give you killer instinct, it makes it easier to monitor the map if both give you a notice when survivors are near.
3. When victor is unattached, charlotte should be given a speed boost until victor returns. This gives you a bunch of different play style options.
Taking victor hostage is like the mainstream way of countering twins, making charlotte basically a trapless trapper
Charlotte can actually call Victor back even if he's on someone, after a short cooldown.
I just don't think many Twins players realize this.
The roadmap shows twins rework in april 2024 now
I can't wait. Even the Pig might get a buff.
Some Ideas I had while playing them (enjoying them quite a bit, even if they are clunky as hell xD).
Dont really know if I should post these on the official forums since... well the Devs arent known to listen to feedback to well.
Idea 1) Attack of the stealth Demon Babyboy:
- Remove the Map wide "Switch" Sound they create
- While Victor is out, he can give an order to the idle Charlotte to follow him (this suggestion was already made and I really like it)
- Same goes for Charlotte (or she should just be able to recall the idle victor to her)
- "Cats Eye" becomes basekit
- While Victor is attached to an survivor, Charlotte gains "Undetectable" Status instead of only the "victorized" survivor being "Oblivious". The Status lingers for 10 Seconds after Victor starts "re-growing" (fitting the twins story of being hunted and forced to hide their presence at all times)
Idea 2) Juggernaut Charlotte:
- "Crushing" Victor applies "Broken" and "Oblivious" Status effect for 60 Seconds (helping them as an inbuild "anti heal")
- Victor will down a Survivor that holds him hostage for longer than 50 Seconds
- Idle Charlotte will automatically follow Victor after 15 Seconds (can be changed with reworked add ons)
- While Charlotte is alone, her Vaulting speed and Pallet/Gen breaking Speed is increased by 15% (not as strong as brutal strength but still a good %)
- Charlotte is able to recall Victor (attached or idle) after 15 seconds
- This one is... well maybe extreme so bear with me: Everytime Victor is "Crushed" while inside of Charlottes TR the Survivor gains a "Mark of Grief". After reaching 5 "Mark of Grief" and being hooked atleast once, the marked survivor can be morid the next time they are downed (A little "finisher like Sadakos or Pyramids to add some spice. And I believe it fits Charlottes theme of her going through the 5 Stages of Grief herself after losing the real Victor while alive)
And some non thematic ideas/changes:
- Idle Victor "re-grows" while in close proximity of an hooked survivor (no more parking Victor under a hook before hooking)
- Victors re-grow timer is increased from 6 seconds to ... maybe 18 seconds?
Twins are bugged rn and unplayable sadly. When you go in victor and back theres a very good chance you will just freeze and have to DC or be stuck in match frozen :(
Yes I am one of 3 twins mains :)
ok... a adrenaline fueled rage from victor being kicked would be SO COOL!!! imagine like a gutteral scream of agony and Charlotte charges at you with haste until victor respawns! it would be so fun bc if you use victor close by it's a completely different play stye, now if a survivor wants to kick they get punished from Charlotte being nearby
getting kicked in the face and t bagged from the view of a 2 inch high first person camera by the survivors that are supposed to fear you is so unenjoyable lmao
Victor dying was the funniest thing you added, nice.
I love the twins visual design, specifically because it's so gross. The playstyle that the power leans into, being slugging and camping, is what I dont like about them and why I dont play them.
I have played twins during halloween event. Sanctum of wraith, 3 survivors left and each of them dead on hook. I am standing on the top of the temple, saw a survivor, and activated my power. Then, SOMEHOW i softlocked myself, I couldn't move as a victor, atack or switch back to chartlotte. It was the middle of the temple. I have just patiently waited when they do all gen and leave.
I think it would of been cool to see the twins working off each other. Perhaps big lady could break pallets faster and can move faster if she is going in The direction of victor.
While victor would have his pounce, could hunt survivors and would follow anyone coming close to him for situations like guarding a hook and giving vision to big lady
I mean yeah the power is still some what annoying to use in live game, But the Oppression perk is surprisingly viable with other killers. Like adding Oppression onto Blight with his Dragons Grip or maybe combining it with some other gen control perks can surprisingly make the twins a very map control heavy killer. Which is a bit sweaty to a extent but its one way to make playing twins at lest manageable or at lest in my eyes when I play as killer cause I mostly just play twins as I like the idea of two killers on body.
since they have AI in the game, having the unused twin on AI control maybe scouring the area near the controlled twin could make for a unique feature and easy recall. Something like slowing their speeds while apart or that they need to be together to move bodies could show the lore based need for connection while allowing players the feeling or two unique characters. Especially if one had a charge and the other a rage on its death to give each something unique and deadly. I also thinking moving between the two povs could be insanely fun. The AI controlling a spastic Victor while she lumbered about could easily confuse people on who was in control. Plus the idea of her just standing there.. creepy but harmless.. nerve wracking at first, but once you know, just means you can easily work around her. Go far away and then even if your caught, you got a chance of crawling to safety to get patched up before your reached.
Twin's design is awfull, their terror radius music is average, their power isn't fun to play with or against, their most efficient playstyle require slugging, their own perks are bad and their lore is boring. Sure, it is up to personal preference, but I can't say I'm surprised to see that Twins are the less used killer.
Imagine if they were like zombies that are controled by the fungus on her back? I think that would be cool, and the could look alot coller.
Judging by the background music I would assume you played the witcher 3 as well
Yes, and it's one of the best games I had the pleasure to finish :D
Every time I see a video like this I'm like, "I love twins conceptually!". Then I try them again and hate life for the next 10 minutes and never touch them again.
Honestly, I think making Iridescent Pendant basekit would not only be a nice buff, but would also fit lore-wise. They could possibly remove the "when Victor is kicked while idle" clause, since it's rare that Charlotte is ever close to Victor when he's in chase, but I think an internal CD of the Exposed effect might be necessary at that point or maybe Victor can't be released for 45s once kicked if this change was implemented.
It's just clear that to most people, Twins are not fun to play either as or against, and IF Unbreakable becomes basekit (hopefully it doesn't or, like the perk says currently, can only occur once per match) then Twins' only legitimate playstyle currently becomes obsolete. Like the video said, it's one thing to be a killer with a lackluster power but strong perks or a strong killer with lackluster perks; it's entirely a different issue if the killer is weak and the perks are garbage.
i have a cool idea for reworking twins. When you are controling Victor, Charlotte follows you and when you down a survivor with Victor he disappears and you are switched to Charlotte.
I do agree that after Victor dies Charlotte needs to go into a rage, gain movement speed maybe, or insta down, or even be capable of throwing her shovel
The best way to fix them is to nerf Amanda
So since Charlotte just stands there could you technically use her to block an entrance while I you use Victor to chase them into Charlotte?
I wrote the review on the thumbnail and at 2:25; I haven't played with them ever since and I refuse to do so until bhvr improves them
Have you ever thought someone would use your massive wall of fair complaints towards Twins as a backdrop for a Thumbnail? 😄
@@MintSkull I was hoping bhvr would notice it at least so I hope they notice your video now and address the issue
One thought I had to help fix the twins is to make victor drag survivors to charlotte to stop the slugging problem.
To fix the punishing power problem you cannot be kicked You hit a survivor and decreased the cooldown when you hit a survivor but increased the cooldown when you miss
To fix the camping victor will not reveal survivors with killer instinct if he is near a hook and will be instantly destroyed if an unhook happens near him
To prevent kidnapping victor you can call him instantly when on the back and you will slow vault all windows and pallets with victor on.
To fix Charlotte being boring you can throw victor at survivors
I play the Twins every now and again but mainly because i prefer playing killers who are more upfront, i.e. Bubba, Carmina and Wesker. Tbh if Victor had an A.I and could hinder the recovery process of survivors downed by him, it could be a decent start to reworking them. Hell give AI a chance for the one you don't play as and maybe things could go well for them. The bugs this chapter came with were definately a dark time for this game.
Ive thought of 2 changes for victor, note I'm a killer main(usually make it to gold rank before reset) that hasn't touched twins in a while
1: When downing a survivor with victor, they receive an effect simular to knockout, it would prolly replace the aura blocking for an inability to pick yourself off of the ground, stoping your recovery at about 90%
2: If a survivor decides to kidnap victor a timer starts, about 20 seconds with victor and not in chase will put you in the dying state, we can say that victor gets impatient and kills them, during this time the survivors are exhausted and have a -10% - -25% reduction to heal speed, gen speed, and gate speed with about a 3% hindered status. If a survivor tries to leave with victor having been on them for longer than about 5 seconds they get instantly killed(like a pig trap).
If this doesnt seem balanced, feel free to discuss. I am open to suggestions.
The Nutcracker music harmonizing with Victor's screams was golden
10:02 Maybe because noone would expect you to choose this one to have a surprise and being something special against survivors.
Whoever wants to play this style just plays Demogorgon. Because the Twins are just a much weaker Demogorgon with extra steps. This is so very sad.
Twins are better than demo