For Whom Did Christ Die? An Interview With Dr. Mike Riccardi About His Book "To Save Sinners"
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- Did Jesus die for all of the sins everyone has ever committed, or did He die specifically and only for the sins of believers? Was His atonement general or was it particular (or, as most refer to it, limited)? Dr. Mike Riccardi has written a thorough book on this question titled To Save Sinners. In today’s podcast, I interview Dr. Riccardi as we consider this important question.
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This was awesome! So wonderful to see my friend Justin Peters interview my pastor Dr. Mike Riccardi. Really important subject that has once again been articulated magnificently by Pastor Mike.
I concur Alan, you are blessed to have an abundance of capable faithful pastors there at Grace CC. Your channel isn’t too shabby either😉
This might just be one of the best videos I have ever watched on atonement. Thank you brothers.
Praise the Lord! Thank you, brother :)
This is definitely a teaching to listen to more than once!. Thank you brother Justin and Dr. Mike.
Definitely
I heard this man preach through all of Philippines . God did a work in my heart, it was like every set of verses he did he
didnt stop until i understood the text. im thankful He did that and you are obedient to your calling
Justin, I spent all morning listening to this and taking notes. Writing a lot of the scriptures down and rewinding the Video many times. My only problem was that I don't feel as educated as the both of you are, so was having a little difficulty with the meaning of some of the words. I can only pray that Holy Spirit will give me wisdom and understanding. Thank you so much for this opportunity to learn what the Gospel says about those who are His sheep. Blessings to you both. 🙏✝️🙏
@Lori MacDuff It will come in time. Be patient and keep learning everyday. You will be surprised how much you have learned after a few months.
The first disciples, who were also those carrying the Gospel to the world after the Resurrection, were mostly fishermen.
Even Luke the doctor and Matthew the tax collector had learned from JESUS and not from professors at "seminary" (where's "seminary" in the New Testament???)
Don't fret about understanding men.
Jesus commands us that the Holy Spirit will teach and guide us (John 14:26 & 16:13) in the Word of God, which is straightforward to understand, ESPECIALLY with the guidance meant for us.
Too many people are dependent on man for their theology. They spend 95% of their time listening to man and 5% in the Word listening to Jesus through the Holy Spirit ("my sheep hear my voice") when it should be the other way around.
"Now when the Pharisees saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were ordinary and unschooled men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus" (Acts 4:13)
Get Dr. James White’s book: The Sovereign Grace of God. This book will methodically bring you to eye popping understanding. It is written to Chrstians and not to theologians.
@@heidilees.4407 I wish I were a Christian, not just a theologian lol
Awesome way to start the weekend Yay Justin! 🙏💕🍁🥰Nice to meet you Pastor Mike cant wait to read your books! Blessings from Canada
Blessings to you as well! :)
@@JustinPetersMin Gushing this person thanks Justin! 😅
Thank you brother Justin. This was a such blessing. I initially thought that it would be so deep in the theology, that my mind would grasp. But it was presented in a very simple way, that despite being fairly new to these doctrines, I was left with no doubt. Am so grateful to God that I can truly worship Him knowing I played no part in my salvation. He chose me, and for that am eternally grateful.
Exactly🙏
Hi Justin. Hope you are well. Thank you for your beautiful ministry. Thank you Dr Mike.. ❤ Jesus is coming very soon. 😁🙏💓🇦🇺
This was a fantastic discussion and I gained additional insight into this subject of limited atonement. Some verses that I find striking in my own time reading through Scripture is John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." Everyone quotes the first part of that verse but skips the later part. Even those who say salvation is available to all. However, what catches my attention is how Jesus declares that ANYONE whom the Father draws, Jesus will raise that person up on the last day. There is no other criteria set. If a choice on the part of man was so critical, you'd think Jesus would address it here right? I've come to understand that Jesus is so confident in the drawing power of the Father, that it's a 100% guaranteed He will raise that person up on the last day. Since we know many people have and will perish in their sins, this can't mean God draws all people but only the elect. Another verse that strikes me is what James says during the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:14 "Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name." James follows up this statement by quoting Old Testament prophets to support his statement. This correlates with Revelation 5:9-10 perfectly. So, when John says that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, he can't mean every single human being. He himself saw the vision of Heaven in Revelation and heard clearly that people from every people group were saved. That is still "the whole world" just not every single person in the whole world. It's clear that the apostles never thought that every Gentile was meant to be saved.
Thank you so much, brother - blessings to you :)
Yup. The Important thing to Remember with The Apostle John (all 12 Apostles in fact) is what he was in this world, a Messianic Jew!
"ours" = Elected Messianic Jews, "the whole world" = Elected Gentiles (I fall into the Second Category, just for Clarification).
All very simple when you remember what John was in this world.
Love and Peace.
I just finished in my private bible study going through John over the course of a few months, and I came out more convinced than every that Jesus died for the sins of His sheep. I had never noticed that in John, Jesus says exactly what you just pointed out in 6:44, but then He keeps on repeating that throughout the rest of the gospel. "This is why I said you can not come to me... etc." Jesus didn't even want to be ambiguous on this point, in fact He couldn't have been any more clear.
@@HartyBiker amen to that!
Hi Daniel, RC Sproul did a talk on John 6:44 where he said "draws" is the same Greek word where Paul was "dragged" out of the city, stoned and left for dead. We are such sinners that God has to drag us to Him.
Excellent interview. Amazing responses to tough questions. I learned so much. Thank you to both brother Justin and brother Mike. 🙏
Greetings from Korea, Justin!! Thanks for this incredible interview with Dr. Riccardi! He was my pastor! back in my days at TMS! Greatly thankful for your faithful ministry! I still pray that we will invite you to the Korean version of our future "Strange Fire" conference.
The world. Kosmos in Greek a general term for humanity, Jews and Gentiles. Jesus in the gospels said He laid down His life for the sheep.
Correct :)
@@JustinPetersMin Ezekiel 36:23-27 God will finish what he starts.
God bless
No he did not die for the worlf he did not even pray for it. He said himself he died for his sheep, his friends, his bride the church. He gave his life a ransom for many, not all
they become goat because Jesus did save them?
@Stuart Johnson true.John chapter 17 ,he say I do not pray for world but those given to him from the world.
I greatly appreciate any & all clarification I can get on this particular topic. Especially yours, Brother Peters. I so do hope that you, your wife, &: Mia have a wonderful weekend. God bless.❤
Thank you so much, Sarah - blessings to you as well :)
@@JustinPetersMin You're very welcome, kind Sir.🌹
Thank you so much for the list of Pastor Mike's sermons in the O Perfect Redemption series. I have been looking for this for ages! Thanks for the interview also.
Thank you Justin. The more I watch your videos the more I am glad I am Arminist.
I can’t even begin to explain how helpful this was! The part on Christ’s intersession in John 17 was Awesome 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I have learned so much, thank you Brother Justin. I am from Germany and perhaps you can german undertitel ,i understant not all from your lessons. I wish you the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ my dear Brother
The exegesis of 1 John and 2 Peter were really helpful since those are commonly attacked. Thank you
This was the most important teaching about salvation I ever had before. Thank you so much, Brother Justin. It is always a pleasure to hear your teaching.
Brother Mike, god bless you. Looking forward to learning more.
Worked my way into and through his most excellent and timely book. I missed this video interview and am just now getting to it. Thank you, Justin, for conducting this interview with one of my favorite preachers.
This was very informative and brought clarity. Thanks
I agree that Mike Riccardi is one of the best theological minds today. We are blessed to have him in the world.
Some notes to support what Mike was saying:
Professing only = tares
aka darnel which looks like wheat but is not wheat
Isaiah 55 "all WHO THIRST" So the phrase "who thirst" is a modifier for "all".
As far as I can tell, "God so loved the world" in John 3:16 is describing HOW God went about loving the world, not that He loved the world "sooooo much".
Just some ideas that came up. Feel free to correct if I am wrong..
Dr. Mike Riccardi, what an absolute treasure of a guest! Settling down to listen and savour. Love the way Our Lord brings these wonderful conversations to us, enabling us to learn and glean and grow.
Excellent show!!! I think you could start another series bringing in these great guys dealing in depth with sticky issues. Give it some thought-great way to bring clarity to those of us who need correction! Thank you for all your hard work!!! God bless you!
The Extent of the Atonment, whosoever
Application, those who come to Christ.
Jesus either removed the wrath of God on the cross or He didn't. If He did that for everybody, then no one will have to experience God's wrath in Hell. Otherwise, you're left with Jesus bearing God's wrath AND the sinner in hell bearing that same wrath themselves. Nonsense.
Thank you, Justin, for having Mike on and doing this podcast on his book on particular redemption.I finally got consistent in my theology with the help of following James White starting in April 2020 and am fully reformed.I had not heard of Mike before watching this video.Loved it.I plan to buy his book and have already listened to the first sermon in his audio sermon series and fully intend on listening to all of them.I will also be listening to his other sermons.God bless you and your ministry.
Excellent study, Bro. Mike and Bro. Justin
I would love to see a debate between Flowers and Riccardi on Definite Atonement.
Before I heard about this book, I had believed that Gary D. Long's book on the topic entitled "Definite Atonement" was the best ever written on the topic, so I can't wait to get Riccardi's book! Now if we can just get Leighton Flowers to read it....
You should read some of Leighton Flower's books...
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Respectfully, I have read all that I need to from Leighton Flowers. His belief on the nature and the extent of the atonement is not Biblical; he also asserts that the New Birth is conditional. Not only does he believe these errors, and more, but he also teaches them. I fear for him, I truly do.
Amen!
That was awesome!!! 🎉 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 fantastic!!
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for ***everyone***.”
Hebrews 2:9 NKJV
@Jeremiah RICE 3956. πᾶς pas, pas; includ. all the forms of declension; appar. a prim. word; all, any, every, the whole:-all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), × throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
@@Masonman928 If I wrote in a book "Every one of the girls who went to the dance wore a dress," do I mean that every girl at the dance was wearing a dress? No. Because the context of my statement earlier in the book defines "every girl" as all six friends that walked together to the dance. It would be the same whether I wrote the book in English or in Koine greek. The entire book of Hebrews was written to Jewish believers, the "everyone."
@@alext.8456 The author of Hebrews could have rephrased the sentence in a multitude of ways if that was truly the intent. For example, “might taste death for [every one of you],” or “might taste death for [us],” etc. But instead, he used only one word: “everyone.” There is absolutely nothing in the context of this verse to suggest that “everyone” is referring to the audience only.
Ashley's husband, Josh, speaking...
Dr. Ricardi is leaning on his own understanding, all the while the scriptures still say that "the world by wisdom knew not God."
But Ricardi did say that the priest slew the lamb, and then sprinkled the blood. Even so, Jesus atoned for all, but sprinkled only those who receive it:
"And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." (Romans 5:11 KJV)
I'm a 24 year old woman and this goes to my fellow sisters in Christ. Ladies, I have a burning issue. Am I the only one who feels like doctrinally sound men who are marriage material within our age group are not easy to find? 😒
Personally, I'm at the urge of giving up, honestly...because I'm not willing to lower my standard as I hold the bible in high esteem😏
I'm sorry for going off topic🙈
It isnt impossible but men in your age group usually have nothing and are busy building themselves up and learning - you probably have to look for someone closer to 30 before you find people who know anything.
We’re all over the place. Where can you be found?
How doctrinally sound are you? What’s the error of molinism? The error of EFS? R2K? Is submission of wives to husbands a consequence of the fall, or the created order? May women lead worship? Bible study? Street preaching? What forms of birth control are acceptable? How do we know the Bible is the word of God? What evidence do we have that Jesus rose? What’s the age of the earth? Is it flat? What are the doctrines of grace? Chief end of man? Regulative principle? Are your family integrated? What’s your covenant theology? View of the mode and object of baptism? How is a Biblical divorce prosecuted? How is a Biblical courtship pursued? Should women vote? Should women be in the workplace? Should women live away from their parents? What if their parents are abusive or neglect to exercise their authority responsibly? What’s the Biblical argument against marrying 12 year olds? Biblical evidence that life begins at fertilization? Was first wave feminism good or bad or well intentioned? Do apostolic sign gifts continue to be practiced today? What is the church? Is weekly attendance obligatory? What is your view on sabbatarianism and head coverings? Double predestination? How does God choose whom he will elect? What is the Biblical expectation of a Christian’s giving? What about IVF? What does Trent canon 9 say? What is the main flaw of complementarianism? What is the main criticism of classical apologetics according to presup? What does a testimony need to be considered a testimony? Do men have feminine attributes and vice versa? What is the substitutionary atonement? What’s double imputation? What’s the difference between submission and compliance/apathy? Does a suitor submit to the girl’s father? What cross references do you think are best to prove the Trinity? What 4 aspects are the essential components of Christian worship, commonly called means of grace, and where are they found in scripture?
I’m running out of ideas, this was a mental dump. But this is what I would want to know about a girl, just the first go-round of questions
Btw that’s not an attack or a “sit down shut up” type of comment. If a woman answered that with evidence of spiritual maturity, I would want to figure out a way to connect off TH-cam (I won’t connect identifying information to this one, to avoid doxing). Thing is, I think there’s two different categories of men, those who truly aren’t ready and then those who are absolutely ready but can’t find qualified women or the women are unreasonably picky. They aren’t willing to “catch him on the way up,” so they delay until he becomes higher demand with other women and picks someone more attractive than her. I’ve pursued a 25 year old, 33 year old, 35 year old, and 28 year old, considering only those I was at “talk to dad” levels of seriousness with. I’m seriously starting to open my mind to consider 19 year olds. If they don’t see a problem with it, then I won’t. They simply have less baggage that keeps them from respecting and submitting. I think I’ve been overlooked by a few of these because they were unreasonably selective regarding physical appearance. In context, the youngest one was head over heels for me because I was darn good looking at the time, and will be again, because being out of work partly due to covid and refusing to patronize the gym because of mask rules led to a bit more difficulty maintaining an exercise regimen. If somebody’s not willing to give grace in that regard then they won’t be getting a second shot, as I am convinced that that encourages infidelity. My income is very variable because of my choice of career but I’m consistently having a margin of several grand a month. I have my own place, and choose to rent rather than buy because of the cost of living benefit to saving money, and am considering buying in the next 2 years with a plan to work on vacation rentals as a side project. Net liquid assets of a year’s median income. I am very annoyed by the attitude that married folks as well as single women seem to hold, that you are not high quality because I don’t have an entourage, or I guess my clothes. If you haven’t even talked to me, I don’t know what else you would judge me by but that. But I’m also conscious of the fact that this very POSITIVE trait of self reflection and conscientiousness gets prejudicially interpreted by many as insecurity, with no consideration given to the fact that I’m sharing insight for the benefit of others and not venting for sympathy. It’s their loss, really. People who are quick to judge are literally in sin and don’t deserve my time or mental effort. I’ll get an amazing wife one day, because I know my worth. I’m guaranteed more spiritually mature than any woman you introduce me to, because I know how much time I’ve spent listening to sound teaching and studying and I know the kinds of conversations I get to have with women in person and online. I’m probably overqualified for you, especially if ALL you’ve got is good theological convictions. A woman at 24 should be very physically fit because she hasn’t spent her 20s being pregnant. I’m smart, funny, kind, gentle, self controlled, wise, able to teach, firm in the faith, physically strong, not easily manipulated either regarding deception, despair, or anger. Able to lead, able to inspire with a bigger picture, having more than one iron in the fire, able to bear up under suffering without being destroyed by it, gifted in teaching and able to give wise counsel, etc etc etc. Doesn’t hurt that I’m extremely romantic but I don’t play games with people’s hearts so you’d only see hints before engagement. I’m sure it’s easy to choose to see this all as judgmental or arrogant or bitter, but it’s just not so. How would you say the same but differently? So in closing - oh I’m 33 btw - I’m “ready to go,” and can only become “more ready” by degrees as I make more money and get in better shape. What are the girls waiting for? Beg your pastor to contact other pastors inquiring about qualified young men who might be solicited to get in touch with your pastor or father. Or you can show off your apparent theological convictions and spiritual maturity on Justin Peters’ Facebook page, and sign off with “btw I’m single, guys. Wife me up.” And you’ll get noticed. I don’t know how else I would find you personally. But here’s the thing: if you judge someone bye first impressions, NOT because they were spiritually ignorant or heretical but because their style of dress or speech or carriage annoyed you (it’s conceivable my comments here would do that for someone), then you are being FOOLISH and limiting your options for love. In fact, I would argue that if you meet a man who is exactly what you want, he’s not the one for you, because either a) you’re missing something, or he’s a sociopath or b) he’s going to frustrate you to death by not leading you well. You know you’ve find a man you can go with, if he says or does things YOU DON’T LIKE (William Gouge, 1622, said this is essential for submission to even be possible), but you can respect him, and trust him, then he’s the right guy, at least right enough to take a closer look at when considering a suitor. I think the reason marriages were frequently largely arranged by women’s fathers is because they know this, that the girl by choosing what she wants will INEVITABLY choose wrong. The man has to choose her. It is not for her to perform the initial screening step. It is for her to attempt to follow a man and see, upon reflection, whether she is feeling affection grow for him and if she respects him and wants to follow him. THEN she chooses him. Getting this out of order is causing untold misery among you young women, because you’re not giving excellent men a chance. But also you’re cloistered away where we’ll never find you. How are we going to know you’re worth the pursuit? Or that you exist to be pursued? I don’t have the time nor the obligation to court 1000 women at random until I improve my statistical chances according to Solomon’s observation. We need help. Your quality must be shown to is somehow. Think about how that might happen.
I put a lot of effort into talking to you here, to try to make the world a better place. Consider for the moment, that men like me do this often, but we don’t have the energy to do it ALL the time. If this just gets ignored, consider how exhausting and exasperating that is for a guy, and how it disincentivizes making continued efforts of like kind, in trying to find a good woman. You complained that men aren’t finding you. Now you have someone engaging with you. Are you gonna blow it off and go back to complaining? Consider it not just for me, but any hypothetical guy who also likes Justin Peters which might imply a theological match, who sees this comment thread. It’s your opportunity to show what you’ve got. Then maybe someone can find you on Facebook if you use the same name, and reach out there. Stranger things have happened. I hope this is all useful to you, whether or not it’s pleasing. 💪
Give it to God. His timing is perfect. Draw closer to God and He will give you the desires of your heart. I submitted to God my desire for a godly and faithful man to building a godly home and family. I decided to grow deeper in my relationship with the Father and He provided the man at His timing. Been married for 15 years come July.
He died to save all mankind but all of mankind won’t be saved. No greater love or gift and we will need eternity to thank Him.
No... Jesus said he died to save His sheep. If He died & paid for the sins of all mankind, then that would logically result in universalism, which the Bible makes clear is not true.
Whosoever will but all won’t. Tell the world it’s open for them but the choice is individual one. Either you are Christ’s or you’re not…no third option and only God knows who are his own.
zandrello: Christ died for those who were under the law; and that all men were under the law, is shown by the fact that "whosoever will," may avail himself of the provisions of the gospel.
The keynote of the Gospel call is “whosoever.”
Whosoever Shall Believe: It is by faith that we are saved, and whosoever shall believe should see salvation.
“God so loved the world, that he gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16.
“Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” Rev. 22:17. “Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Rom 10:13
No distinction is made; “for there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek.” Christ came “that he might reconcile both [Jew and Gentile] unto God in one body by the cross,” and “through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.” Eph. 2:16, 18. “…seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.” Rom. 3:30
The terms ‘by faith’ and ‘through faith’ have the same meaning.
“I am the Door, by Me if any man enter in he shall be saved.” John 10:9
“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.” Rom. 10:12
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners." 1 Tim. 1:13. Therefore, since all are concluded under sin, it goes without saying that He came to save all. The provision is ample enough for all, but only those who believe can be made partakers.
Unfortunately, too many will not acknowledge the authority of God's law, and will not confess
themselves to be sinners, and therefore the "promise by faith of Jesus Christ" cannot be given to them; for we are taught in Gal 3:22, that it is necessary for men to be "concluded under sin," in order that they may be sharers in the promise by faith. This shows how the law works in harmony with the promise.
You are correct John 1:6-13 NASB95 - There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
For God so loved the world but the whole world won’t be saved. It’s a gift and some don’t open theirs.
Well it is available to everyone… but only his sheep will hear the calling and respond.
I appreciate much of your content Justin. This video however, is why I must unsubscribe. Your guest, Mike literally spent 15 minutes trying to explain propitiation. If I were to argue that Roman’s 10:13 says “whosoever”, I’m sure he would take 30 minutes on that. I believe that Jesus died for every man. I could not imagine thinking I’m in an elite group of believers that God just so happened to choose. This video instructs me to quit wasting my time knocking doors, soul winning, confronting people with the Gospel, and having a bus ministry because those precious kids on those buses are doomed even if persuasive Bible truth convinced them to trust Jesus. John Macarthurism. I’m sad to leave ya Justin.
Wonderful video! Thank you!
Just frustrated that I can’t give more than one thumbs up in the ratings for this video!👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Jesus Christ died for "ALL THE MANY" not for "ALL THE EVERYONE". To say otherwise would it not diminish the sovereign willful election of God? For Him to decide sovereignly to have mercy on those whom He chooses to have mercy on and to harden those whom God chooses to harden? Sovereign election and sovereign atonement for all the many, alone?
I am going to listen to this interview multiple times. I love the way Mike thinks and articulates his messages. The Holy Spirit rests heavily on this man of God. Thanks Justin for this interview. My mind is being stretched and my faith strengthened!!
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for *everyone* .”
Hebrews 2:9 NKJV
G3956 pas; including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:-all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
@@Masonman928 every one of the elect bruh
Thank u Bro Justin & Dr Mike, I'm a lil hard of hearing n as some undertone sounds are hard for me to catch, I'll listen a few more times🖤💟🙏🙏🙏
Blessings to you, Betty! Thank you for listening :)
Justin please can you check your guest microphone set up before you do the interview i had a real problem with his sound yours was crystal clear but your guests was muffled and hard to hear for me anyway. God bless 🙏✝️
I'm sorry but it was the best we could do.
@@JustinPetersMin ok thank you and God bless you, your family and Ministry 🙏✝️
@@JustinPetersMin You've done a fantastic job with the sound quality of your videos, and as you can see from this comment it really matters, especially if people listen on a laptop or a phone (without headphones). There's a lot that can be done to prevent the message from getting lost in transmission. This time the issue was not at your end, however.
One way to deal with the poor sound quality of a zoom call or similar is to have the guest record the audio on a separate device at his end and then email it to you. I understand this is way beyond your own resources, but hopefully you could find someone living closer to you that can help with the technical bit. It's a great way to serve our Lord.
I'm excited this video
Thank you Justin. So much to absorb. Have so many thoughts. 2Cor. 5:19" ...God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself ... Be reconciled to God.... that we MIGHT BECOME the righteousness of God IN HIM. (A merciful choice?) Rom. 1:20 - 21. ... Without excuse... Knew God ... Not glorify Him as God. Sin of "pride" versus no longer I." Blessings
When Adam & Eve sinned, something also happened to the whole of creation, not just adam and eve....So, John 3..."for God so loved the World (not just people), but would also include the whole of creation ...and in some defines. of the word world, could mean "for God so loved the world (the orderly creation including the creation of man) that He gave....."??? not just defining world to mean only man, nations, etc. Dr. R, Thank you for even more insight into that particular topic. Continue to well in the Lord and in His study and thoughts of the Word "as a workman that.....
if someone tells u ,u are not going to heaven because u are committing a sin u tell them there are over 600 sins any of us could committ on any given day.then ask them if they know all the 600 sins ,can they name them off.if they say no ,u ask them how do u know if your not commiting sins and not going to heaven either.
Christ died for people who lived hundred thusand years ago. Christ died for millions that never heard of Him. God planted a seed of belif in every human. The seed are the smallest but the three the largest. Men comdemn but God gives grace far beyond any can understand. Thank God He will decide whom is going into heaven, not men.
It's all very logical.
"For whom did....?" also steve lawson behind the pulpit at one of the conferences. dr m R liked ur use of words "cohere, design and nature of atonement. and definitive purpose."
I don’t have enough knowledge of either Calvinism or Arminian to distinguish between the two. I’m pretty confident that there are some points that both agree upon while others are vastly different. Then add another level of not every person in each camp can’t agree on everything in complete unity.
I tend to go back to Scripture in both the Hebrew and the Greek to allow God to speak for Himself.
To me the whole world means of every tongue and culture, gentiles. Not to mention that the Jews would be spread all over the world and marrying into gentiles of different cultures and languages. Christ came to reconcile humanity to God, those that accept Him and are drawn by the Holy Spirit. I would like to study more of this and then come to my own conclusions. Thanks for the video.
Great interview. I only wish JP would refrain from so many sound effects.
“Yep”…”Yeah”….
I ask in love. But why would he put a false image of Christ on his book "To save sinners"?
I am grateful for the electing saving grace of God. I heard the general call and it was the effectual call that planted in my heart to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus of Christ
When he says those who die in their bondage.. what does that mean since we all fall short and ALL struggle with some sins even though we have the desire to repent and be delivered. I am not proud of things I struggle. I feel like Paul when he said my spirit is willing but my flesh is weak, but it is not I that sin but the sins of the members of my flesh. I am not sure if I memorized that right.
Matthew 15:24
Jesus earthly ministry was to the Jews not the Gentiles. This verse does not speak of the atonement.
In explaining 1 John 2:2, Riccardi states that the "propitiation" is efficacious but could not be universal because that would mean that Hell would be empty of people. Riccardi fails to understand that people go to Hell (ultimately, the Lake of Fire) not because they have unpropitiated sin but because they are not in the Book of Life. All who believe in Jesus have everlasting life. Those who have died never believing in Jesus do not have everlasting life and, therefore, are not in the Book of Life.
Riccardi also states that "the whole world" in 1 John 2:2 means the whole world of the elect only. That is special pleading, reading "the elect" into the verse so that it comports with his theology. Furthermore, John specifically identifies the "whole world" in 1 John 5:19: "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." Ricarrdi would not identify the "whole world" here as the elect.
Take the verse at face value: Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all people, believers and unbelievers alike. And He is so that all who simply believe in Him receive everlasting life.
"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one" You want Pastor Riccardi to place "elect" in place of "whole world" here to prove your point, but you do your own limiting exegesis with it yourself...or do YOU, as a believer, believe that you are being controlled by the evil one?
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@justinpetersmin
I don't see the scripture indicating that the atonement is potential, however I have some objections to the answers to the objections to Limited Atonement.
There are a lot of special definitions based on presuppositions needed to defend against the objection verses.
"World" doesn't mean the "world," specifically here.
"All" doesn't mean "all" specifically here.
This defense requires the reader to make a decision as to what the bible "really" means based on what they "know it should say."
What are verse that specifically say the atonement is limited to the elect? The verses you covered can be used to imply that it is based on the word "few", but at the same time you have to discount the "all" verses. One might equally argue that "many" does not mean "many" based on context, book theme, or verses that say all.
I believe that would be equally flawed hermeneutics.
I am interested to know, what would be an answer to the Parable of the Treasure in the field? What does the man buying the field to gain the treasure mean if not the redemption of the world to gain the elect?
I’m afraid I don’t agree. At the last supper Jesus did not drink the second cup of judgement. To satisfy God’s justice he died for the world. In ot times you could be present at the ceremony of atonement, but that didn’t mean that you believed in God. God knows the heart. Prior to the incarnation Christ was in Heaven as part of the Godhead. Ot saints were in Abraham’s bosom and written in the the book of life whilst others were in Hades. The possibility of salvation must be open to everyone and so we preach the gospel to all. As God is omniscient he knows who will not come to faith, but justice requires that the offer is open to all.
Jesus drank the cup of God’s wrath on the cross then defeated death and Hades as he rose from the tomb.
If Jesus Christ did not drink all of God’s wrath why does it say in Revelation about those who rejected Him
Revelation 14:10
he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
If Jesus did not die for their sins, why is there wrath to be poured on them in His presence? If He only died for the elect why would He be there?
I’m sorry, but there are so many assumptions behind this argument
Yours in Christ
Kath
Another book to note.
If you can find a copy, RB Kuipers ' For whom did Christ die '. Excellent!
We fail to consider the love of God in Jesus atonement, becoming heartless as being "potential" like an electric battery ready to be tapped and used, even commit the sin of pride that he died only for the elect, not seeking God in truth, but conjecture to and fro in imaturity despite being doctors of the bible, learning different arguments and never coming to the truth in John 3:16 "For God so love the world," with love that is compassionate and forbearing that even Jonah was taught about to those who are perishing or under comdemnation (John 3:18) without distinction, be they Jew or Gentiles, elect or non elect, not only in words but also fulfilled the sign of Jonah in the belly of the beast, having given his Beloved Son, Christ Jesus, as a sacrifice, died on the cross, and on the third day resurrected for the forgiveness of sin, (John 1:29) "the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world," with sin in the singular sums up unbelief in God incarnate, Christ Jesus, creator of heaven and earth, by means of unrighteousness outlined in Romans 1 & 2, so covers everyone born on this earth. Did not Jesus, (1 Peter 3) after he died on the cross and resurrected, visit the unbelieving antedulivians who were in prison to proclaim that he died for them so that they had no excuse for their unbelief and are condemned in the prison of hell. Even the unbelievers of today are without excuse not to believe for Jesus died for them. Also, Jesus died for the false teachers mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 2:1-3, who were in a state of unbelief, hence under condemnation. It is an error to put the said false teachers as really saved since it is purported that Jesus died only for the elect, and even based verse 20 as context which is not the case but says that a believer can never fall into apostasy "if they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled in it and are overcome, the last state has become worst for them than the first." Similarly, in Hebrews 6:4-6 "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the coming age, and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their lost, they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subject him to public disgrace."
Indeed, they having pride that Jesus only died for the elect can only mangle Scripture, as well as God's love that is truly amazing in his love and the attributes of his love.
I watched a debate between Dr. James White and Dr. Michael Brown. One thing I caught onto and haven't been able to forget is the question: Did Christ atone for the sins of the people in Hell? Dr. Brown said all of their sins were in fact atoned for except for the one of not accepting the atonement. I took it back a few steps and remembered that nothing is about me. It's (the work of salvation) the work of Christ. Either God is Sovereign or He isn't. Either He has a plan or He doesn't. Either He creates with a purpose or He doesn't. Either Christ's Sacrifice fulfilled God's wrath or it didn't. Either God the Father gives everyone who has ever lived or ever will live or He hasn't. Being as Romans 1 says that not all will be saved then either Christ's death wasn't enough or God lied in His word. God does not lie. The people in Hell (which God Himself created) are there because of their sin. Limited atonement is the only thing that goes along with Scripture in context. Christ died for the Elect.
Love is to a definite person or people. It is not cheap free or unreciprocated.
Dr. R....have you considered that particular person, who lived in Bethany, named simon, who was a Pharisee, once a leper (nicknamed Simon the Leper).... and father to Judas Iscariot. Simon who bidden Jesus (gave a "party/get together") for Jesus & Lazarus just raised from the dead....where Mary, Laz'' sis, anointed the Lord and Martha served in the home of Simon.
Quest: Who would have gone to a reception/party of anyone with leprosy if that person had NOT been healed?....so, that gives greater consideration to what/how/why Our Lord addressed Simon..."Simon, I have somehat to say unto thee..." and then goes on about a creditor and the two debtors, one being Mary and the other ?Simon?
Also, that relationship ( the son of a Pharisee and all that entails, along with the money bag) with Simon that J Iscariot had, could be the reason he had "quick" access to the offices of the chief priests, rulers to plot against the Lord...what fisherman, tax person would have open door access to those offices??
Quest: Was J Iscariot married??? IF it is correct in following verse references and Acts1 mentions the office of J Isc, then it leads to a place beginning Psalms 109.5 down that tells of his children being fatherless and wife a widow and about his/their posterity, his own mother and forefathers.???? If these questions are ever answered in later vids and I am misguided, I stand corrected.
I can no more completely know all about and define the Holy Trinity than I can completely love God in this sinful flesh I'm in. What I do is cry out Jesus save me as I completely RELY on His finished work on the cross. In this flesh I cannot even fully understand and appreciate the glory of heaven or proper worship. IN HEAVEN I shall.
Justin and Mike, if what you are saying is true …. can I, in clean conscience, tell a sinner that Christ died for them?
If your theology prevents you from answering such a basic question then you have a serious problem.
So based on your theology Mike, if a 6 year old child comes to you and asks you "Does Jesus love me?" or "Did Jesus die for me?" … you cannot given them an answer. Telling them that the Bible does not permit me to answer such questions or to say that I dont need to entertain such questions is an absolute disgrace.
Well said!
Very good and interesting segment. Enjoyed watching.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be save.
Romans 10:1-13. John 12:32.
When I was a young man I realized I was a sinner in need of a Savior. I confessed my sins, and called unto Jesus and accepted his salvation and I became a born-again Christian. Everyone has the opportunity to accept Chist but not all will. Agrippa told Paul, "You almost persuade me". I am not almost persuade I know Jesus saved me even though I didn't deserve Salvation.
I have seen the Cavinst and Armenian debate in Seminary and was interesting to watch and from time to time participate.
Personally I have put my faith in Jesus and have accepted him as Lord and Savior. I have seen extremes on both sides where proponents for each became enemies which is sad. Glad to see this video respectfully presented the topic. The important thing is do you know Jesus as Lord and Savior or do you not know him Lord and Savior. Clearly, both of these men are Christians.
Kinda odd argument; Christ has a love for His creation it’s not a saving love. That 6 year old needs to be told she needs to cry out to God for mercy and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and His life if perfect obedience and His death on the cross.
Just like all of us .
@@dfischer5878 This response is similar to one you gave in another comment on this thread and again you have not answered either question presented by the sinner or the 6 year old.
So again, why not just be straightforward about what you believe the Bible teaches and just answer the question? Tell the child that you do not know if Jesus has a saving love for them or if He even died for them.
@@benjamincoetzee1735 Where in the book of Acts do you find an apostle or evangelist, anyone, saying "Christ loves you" or "God loves you."? Right. Nowhere. They address sinners with "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved." It's only in the last 150 years that evangelists have used, to any great degree, "God loves you" to reach sinners. Whether you are witnessing to an adult or child, use the book of Acts as a guide on how to evangelize. If the child or adult is elect, he/she will respond positively. If a child asks you if Christ died for him/her, answer Biblically. 'Jesus died for all the Father chooses (John 6); and, if you believe that He died for you, He will save you.'
Hi Justin would you have any info Rabbi Kirt Schneider thanks Tony
He died to make salvation actual for the elect not just a protental for all
Hello Brother Justin. Thabk you so much for your labors in the LORD. No nosiness meant here but what is the item that looks like an animal behind you on the top right? I only bring it up because my eye keeps getting drawn to it. In Christ, Janet
General atonement advocates are caught between the rock of universal salvation and the hard place of an 'atonement' that doesn't actually atone, but must be supplemented with works, or a 'free will'-generated faith, to be effective.
People who believe in The Atonement are supported by the foundation of God's Word and his plain and spoken language. You people who try to limit the Blood and its power dance closely to flames.
@@dankmartin6510 -- Limit the Blood in what way, how effective it is, or for whom it is effective?
@@gregb6469 You ask questions just like a Sophist.
@@dankmartin6510 -- Asking for clarification is being sophist? Why don't you answer the question?
@@gregb6469 Why do you hide behind asking questions as if what was said was not already clear? It is because you want it rephrased for an attempt to disagree and it is shameful.
I believe that Christ's atonement was unlimited in its availability (for every human who has, is or ever will live), but only limited in its application (those who believe and put their faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection for the forgiveness of their sins). There is simply no scripture anywhere that says Christ ONLY died for the elect, but we do have plenty of texts that show that Christ died for all men and for the whosoever. I love you Justin, but I strongly disagree with the limited atonement view in Calvinism.
It's crazy how what one side sees it as a wisdom-defying act, the other sees it as a demonstration of God's love. Timestamp is 22:34.
pertaining to the new covenant, using propitiation and atonement interchangeably will just cause confusion. atonement was a covering and preservation of sins . propitiation is complete forgiveness of sins for the whole world as Paul stated. when Jesus said it is finished the issue of forgiveness for sins ended so that salvation is possible.
Everyone
I would only suggest all believers to stop using images that are just man's thoughts and not the true Christ no one knows how He looked like therefore we all know that is against the second commandment
I agree I'm not a big fan of the cover of the book.
I’m sorry but Calvinism has too many holes and the ship is sinking , also Calvinist play the I call word salad apologetics and it just doesn’t have any meat in it . But still love all my brothers a sisters in Christ Jesus ! I pray we all come to the saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ Amen !
So what doesn't have holes?
Go head on. Split them hairs!
Eph 5:25
Soli Deo Gloria ☝️
Two things need to be stated - on the nature of fallen man he is totally unable to save himself even to the tune of contributing only 1% - man does not accept the offer of the gospel - he receives it ( John 1:12)
Christs death was sufficient in its scope to cover the sin of all people but his death achieved salvation and thus justification only for the sheep 😢
This interview is a good example of what happens to a man who has become so saturated with theological terms that he can no longer interpret basic texts in the Bible.
Well said!
Aside from one precise detail, I agree with the entire argument as presented in the video.
Just as the Day Of Atonement was to all Israel, but those who failed to participate did not have it accounted to them but instead were executed, so God's atonement is offered to all Humanity, but those who do not believe the Gospel do not have it accounted to them but instead go to eternal destruction.
When I say "offered to all" I do not mean "intended for all" or "provided to all". By "offered to all" I am accounting for the Gospel call which is to be presented to all without exception. God's intention is a universal offer/call which saves His elect, by His grace, through their belief therein, and vindicates the condemnation of the condemned. This intention is most concisely conveyed in John chapter 3, when God specifies the exact way in which He loved the world.
In the way in which Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, in that way the Son Of Man must be lifted up so that everyone who is believing unto Him may not perish but instead may have eternal life. Because in that way God loved the world, plus He gave His Only Begotten Son so that everyone who is believing unto Him may not perish but instead may have eternal life. Because God did not send His Son unto the world to judge the world, but instead so that the world may be saved through Him. He who is believing unto Him is not judged; as yet, he, who is not believing, assuredly is yet judged, in this manner: that he has not believed unto the Only Begotten Son Of God. As yet, this is the judgement, thusly: that the Light has arrived unto the world, and the humans loved the darkness more than the Light because their works had been toilsome. Because everyone, who is practicing bad, hates the Light, and does not come toward the Light, so that his works may not be refuted-and-corrected. As yet, he, who is achieving the Truth, comes toward the Light so that his works may be made apparent in this manner: that they are having been worked in God."
The detail, of the sense in which the offer/call is universal, is clarified when God tells Peter "call no man common or unclean". All humanity are God's chosen people-group now, but as God-via-Paul clarified regarding how earthly Israel relate to the promises, "not all are of Israel, who are of Israel".
It's a mistake to not clarify the sense in which there is a universal offer/call, and the sense in which atonement is limited to only God's predestined elect, which is indeed clarified in God's singular Gospel purpose as summarized in John chapter 3.
If people find error in what is offered to them, they are not going to accept it as correction. This exact detail is a key point of doctrine which the reformed Church need to better understand so that we can carefully teach the clarity of it. The Day Of Atonement typifies how we are to iron-out the final detail.
Aside from this one precise detail, I agree with the entire argument as presented in the video.
I do also disagree that we do not need Lord Jesus to have died for us to be able to say we believe in Him; the cross is God's chosen means of making Himself apparent, without which apparentness, I cannot say I believe in Him.
I would of loved to listen to this , but the audio from Mikes side is awful...Such a shame...Maybe he needs to update his microphone...Sent with love and hello Justin...
@@SH-zz2ef ...I agree...I could of worded it different...Does not help that my hearing is not as good at it used to be...
Yes i had real trouble with it i hope they correct it next time, i have a slight hearing issue so i understand it would be very hard for people with a bad hearing problem. 🙏
Ransom speaks of a rescue... as when God ransomed the Hebrews out of Egypt. References to Christ's flesh & blood, His life, these are speaking of the incarnation wherein He assumed the totality of human nature to redeem it. The early Church saw the Work of Christ in terms of Recapitulation, Ransom (rescue), Moral Influence, Restored Icon and Christus Victor... that Jesus tasted death for every many which is why every man is raised bodily. The righteous and reconciled are raised to eternal life while the wicked and unrepentant are raised to judgment and the second death (as a result of rejecting Christ's provision).
PSA (Limited Atonement) is a modern invention at odds with Scripture and the early Church. It's an assault on incarnation theology, perverts the nature of God and splits the Trinity wide open.
The answer is so simple, just remove Calvinism and you don’t have to do mental gymnastics for an answer. Jesus died for the sins of the world. Everyone. So ‘whoever believes’ in Him will not perish. It doesn’t say whoever is forced by God and elected to believe. Just simply ‘whosoever believes’. Calvinism isn’t biblical; Romans 9 certainly doesn’t support it - Paul was simply talking about Israel and the Gentiles and quoted Jeremiah 18 about the potter when God was telling Israel that if they didn’t want to follow Him he can have another people. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2, KJV) You have to be looking at the Bible through a Calvinist lens to not see it. Man has a free will and God made us that way - with the ability to make our own choices, including choosing Him - and it is absolutely no threat to God. That’s actually the ‘higher view’ instead of God making robots who only do what He predetermined. You say they aren’t robots but if I logically follow your theology that’s what they are.
Can I suggest that using 1 John 5:19 as a precedent for interpreting world as "all without distinction" is not a good idea. Consider what you are doing. You are taking an instance where the meaning of "world" is intuitive (obvious) and then trying to impose that meaning on another text where that meaning is certainly not intuitive. The fact that you say, "This presents a difficulty" shows that the meaning you are imposing on "world" in 1 John 2:2 is COUNTERINTUITIVE. Can I please suggest that you go back to considering the possibility of a potential view? If the wrath poured on Christ was infinite in extent, and it was, then it is sufficient for all sinners.
why write a book that confuses...you do not have write a book if you are not trying to bring favor among men to yourself...just another useless book...like reading a book telling you how to read a book...then put it on a shelf to look smart...
Christ died for His elect.
How is your saviour a "mighty saviour" when He has condemned your neighbour, your nephew or even your own mother to burn and suffer forever?
Because he is just and we all deserve hell since we have all sinned.
We know we do not have universal salvation .
Calvinism id NOT biblical.
The doctrines of grace are biblical
I know that Brain at faith on fire will do his best to debunk, criticize, say this is Unbiblical, but what he say he so far not use any Bible verse in his argument to refute evidence against this Book or you Justin, He went so far to call you wolf in sheep clothing, I did leave a comment on the topic on weather God was still speaking to us out side the Bible, I ask him if Jim Jones had a new revelation, and if David Koresh also had a new revelation,
Brian is, quite honestly, just embarrassing. His Bible knowledge is very, very shallow. He cannot even pronounce some of the theological terms he has heard me use. I'm quite confident he will do a video rebutting this but, characteristically, for him, it will not be substantive. I would love to see Brian try to debate Mike Riccardi on this. I'd sell tickets. Brian is way over his head and he is blatantly dishonest. I saw him in a comment say, "I actually like Justin" while literally one day before he was calling me a false teacher, wolf, etc., etc., etc. He's just a blatant liar.
@@JustinPetersMin No different than you calling out everyone but claiming it is 'in love' and 'I don't hate you' - how can you make such distinction in such a hypocritical way?
He died for His sheep, but does that include a sheep that is on his death bed? I mean I think Justin is a Calvinist so only Christ knows those who are His!!
99% or 100%
Dont agree on Hebrews 6
There is no transference of sin or of righteousness according to the God of the Bible in the Tanakh (OT) so how can any man or woman die for the sins of another? (Eze 18:1-32)
This has always puzzled me and seems to contradict certain Christian theology. Particularly as God is supposed to be unchanging and forever the same.
“And when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God has driven you, and return to the LORD your God, you and your children, and obey his voice in all that I command you today, with all your heart and with all your soul, then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the LORD your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. And the LORD your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live. And the LORD your God will put all these curses on your foes and enemies who persecuted you. And you shall again obey the voice of the LORD and keep all his commandments that I command you today. The LORD your God will make you abundantly prosperous in all the work of your hand, in the fruit of your womb and in the fruit of your cattle and in the fruit of your ground. For the LORD will again take delight in prospering you, as he took delight in your fathers, when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it. “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you today, by loving the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the LORD your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
(Deu 30:1-20)
And apparently, God says it is possible to keep the commandments. See Deuteronomy 30:11-14. Even if it is misquoted in Romans 10 and altered to say something else.
This again has always puzzled me.
I conclude that either God does change his mind and his attitude or that the God of the New Testament is masquerading as the God of the Tanakh and is not the same. Either that or Paul seriously misquotes scripture to support his own agenda. Apparently, he does have form.
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.
(1Co 9:20-23)
This is confusing isn't it? My advice is if one wishes to remain a Christian then completely ignore the OT except where it can be twisted to support Orthodox Christian theology.
Although I do find your videos very insightful Justin. You have a very measured and considered approach to scripture which is admirable. Take care.
And other scriptures have God detesting human sacrifice.
Have you read through the book of Hebrews? I feel like that book dives into the parallels of the Old Testament law and how Jesus fulfilled that law perfectly.
@@danielrecommendsYes but the problem still remains that God in the tanakh does not accept human sacrifice in any way. Despite the rather quirky test of Abraham with Issac which God prevented by sending an angel to stop it going through.
Sacrifice killing of a human being as an offering is prohibited by the God Yahweh. Even if that person was willing to be offered. Although other gods such as Baal and Moloch accepted and demanded such sacrifices.
So if Jesus was a perfect sacrifice accepted by God in the new testament then that God cannot be the same God as Yahweh.
The other problem of course is the law given by Moses is not really law but doctrine or teaching. Much as a parent would teach a child with punishments for disobedience added. Admittedly that hasn't stopped people becoming legalistic in their interpretation of such teaching.
Read the whole chapter of Ezekiel 18 to see how God sees the view of sin and repentance and then compare that to the Christian belief that only perfect sinlessness is requested by the God of Paul for salvation.
I'll be looking at Hebrews again soon and 'fact checking it' against the Tanach to make sure it's quotations of the Hebrew Scriptures are contextually valid.
@Michael S. Harvey we are living sacrifices
Other than a way for theologians to sell books and have debate night at 1st frozen chosen church, the whole doctrine of tulip is utterly useless.
Talk about a bunch of people with too much time on their hands!
It is not God will that any should Persh, but all comes to repents.
If limited atonement is true, that verse is a lie.
The any most likely refers to the elect. If God truly purposed all would be saved, then all would be saved. But we are told not all are saved. I do not hold to the secret will and revealed will of God. We now have very limited understanding of God but we should accept what He has revealed even though we cannot completely comprehend it.
Follow the pronouns in 2 Peter 3:9 back to 3:1 to see who the “any” is.
@ooooo God is not a rapist, he is not going to force anybody to come to him.
But a broken hearted,person who is turning from there sins in remorse, God well not reject.
@jackgtx440 please note, it said any ,it did not say the elect .
@ooooo God so love the elect ,that his only begotten son ,that whosoever of the elect believeth in him would not perish ,but the elect would have everlasting life .
[ but in my 30 years of studying manualscrpt evidence, I can not find one that says that. ]
Jesus Christ gave His life for the whole world, whosoever believes in Him. John 11 25-26. It's a shocking heresy to diminish the power of our Saviour's incredible gift. God's love is not limited, James 4 8 shows that if we choose to draw close to Him, He will draw close to us. Nowhere in the bible either, does it say that the gifts of the Spirit are for men only. All are called to accept the gifts of teaching, preaching, and prophesying. Galatians 3 28. I pray daily for the misled victims of these heresies, especially the 51% of the world to whom they would deny the Holy Spirit if they could. Please study their TULIP doctrine invented by Calvin 1500 years after Jesus Christ's resurrection. Follow Christ, not ungodly men. Psalm 146. 🙏
Are you seriously coming on here calling these two fine men of God heretics?
@@jackgtx440 Absolutely I am. Jesus Christ died for all who believe in Him not just the followers of John Calvin. Limited Atonement is antichrist. With respect have you researched their TULIP doctrine? Have you researched John Calvin who had people burned to death for not following his doctrine? That is what their preaching is rooted in. May they repent that God may help them. 1 John 2 2, 2 Corinthians 5 14-15 and many more. 🙏
@@jackgtx440 Yes
It's best understood like this...Wormwood is returning...it has been reported by many people. It is sulphurous and has many fiery lakes attached to it. At great personal endeavour, Jesus taught us the highest possible universal science to enable us to cope with life and to cope with Wormwood...it is our current first problem over-riding all other problems because a science of this righteous magnitude has a pathway to all other sciences and Jesus, with his Father, owns them all.
Christ dies for those He saves not for those He doesnt save. He doesnt do as much for the one in hell as the one in heaven
The fact that you even entertain the question is telling: Jesus died for the sins of the entire world, that is written in the Bible plain and clear. His Blood cannot be bound or limited in any way, and if you have a problem with what is clearly and plainly written by God in His Word then that is only your problem and you need to pray about it and get away from this disgusting love of John Calvin and his demonic doctrine.
You are anti christ you have no idea qhat the bible says you dont believe it and have no idea what calvinism is hahaha
Its not from calvin internet expert 😅😅😅😅😅
@@KeyboardWarriors-kj2tt Everything you said is made up, revilesome, and ignorant.
@@dankmartin6510 space cadet gooofy cult member
@@KeyboardWarriors-kj2tt again, there is no spirit indwelling in you when you use those words - repent and get an education.
@@dankmartin6510 fbi is coming to search your computer
a "PhD in divinity" < Jesus must really love him?