Just wanted to pitch a couple of Ideas for Toy Movies: - The "Hungry Hippos" movie will celebrate overcoming eating disorders and body positivity - The "Guess who" movie, a thriller that deals with the perils of facial recognition software in democracy - The "Jenga" movie: a social drama showing the issues with construction quality in social housing - The "Risk" movie: no plot to pitch here just turn on the news anyday. Highly rewatchable
Buckaroo - a sequel to Animal Farm with the donkey as a metaphor for the the working class rebelling against their corporate overlords (overloads- sic)
I'm afraid you were going for a joke here, but accidently came up with some fascinating pitches and now I wish Hollywood would listen to you and acutally make some of these so I can see it with Dwayne Johnson in all the major roles
So do the exact same precentages watch Question Time as vote for their respective parties? Had no idea so few SNP or LibDem supports watched Question Time 🙂
Great point on the difference between the US and British tv markets and how shows are still shared in the UK and not in the US. I hope the examples you gave are only the extreme for the US and we do have some shared programs, but other than sports, I don't know what they would be. I almost exclusively stream programs, and mostly yours, the only thing I'm watching on terrestrial right now is Mr. Bates vs the Post Office; it just hit PBS Masterpiece and I cannot wait to stream it the next day.
I recall talking to a friend working as a producer in Hollywood back in 2008 who explained that global movie marketing is a massive expense, so one based on a board game saves studios a lot of 🤑. I flippantly suggested a serial killer movie based on Hangman, because it’s universal and unlicensed by any company, and he told me if it was pitched right, someone would probably sign it. I laughed, and forgot about it. 9 years later, Hangman (with Al Pacino) came out in cinemas… Turns out you *can* write it! 🤣
From your description of the true history of Monopoly from the 1904 Landlord Game, it sounds like The Founder based on the history of McDonalds, which I would definitely see.
An observation about Marina's comment that the characters in Guy Ritchie efforts don't exist. I grew up in the Eastend to parents who were as Eastend as it gets. Let me say that the family members, friends, acquaintances, extended family et al that I met over a few decades I can *absolutely* see in many Guy Ritchie films. Even the stories ! That Marina doesn't think these people exist or are real perhaps says more about Marina's experiences and her upbringing as the daughter of a 2nd baronet than it does an objective take on "what exists". Hilariously, two weeks ago, sitting with my now very senior brother in law, after getting through stories about nicked cars, dodgy criminal types and outright nutcases, we got to a tale about a gypsy bare knuckle fighter, cannabis plants mistaken for tomatoes, and the local greasy spoon owner inadvertently deep frying his own toupe - fishing it out, patting it off, sticking it back on his head, before serving the sausage, egg and chips up. There are *many* stories like this - true - some of which I was involved in ( sitting at one end of a gypsy caravan, and previously ominously threatened by my dad to "for f*** sake do not turn down a cup of tea if they offer one". Lots of stories. Lots of characters. Let me assure you, the dodgy cast of Guy Ritchie characters absolutely do exist, and those stories do happen. One of the delights for me when Lock Stock first came out was recognition ! Hey. Heyyyy. I know this !
I was working at Hasbro properties group when we signed the original movie deal. It was an umbrella deal with about 10-12 IPs included but Transformers was the hook. This was circa 2002ish I think. Included were battleship, my little pony etc but also some more us centric IPs.
The part about End of Saturday Night Takeaway and viewership is so interesting. To use a comparison to linear television, it reminds me of the early 00's when American networks and especially Fox were ruthless with cancelling shows when they weren't getting the viewership. Shows like Aaron Sorkin's Sports Night (ABC, and made in 1998, but you get the idea). Cancelled after two seasons, with average viewerships in the low to medium millions. Any network would do unspeakable things to get viewers like that again for linear television.
That's an interesting point, show's you how much has changed in a (relatively) short time period. What you said about fox in the 00s is true, as they did the same with famiy guy. Though thanks to strong dvd sales (now it'd be streaming), it was reinstated. Don't know about viewing figures now, but as a 25year (and counting) stalwart it'll probably not ever be cancelled, despite probably having less terrestrial viewers than pre-cancellation!
I seem to remember there was a book that came out a couple of years ago called The 7 Basic Plots, where the author argues that in most fiction (novels, films, TV/streaming ), if you look at any story they are essentially one of 7 basic stories with the only differences being the names and locations. The reason for this is because it makes it easy for the audience to follow the plot without much set up required by the writers or director. This is also why they remake films numerous times whether it is The Maltese Falcon, A Star is Born, Romeo & Juliet etc. work. Whether they are pop fiction like Falcon, or classic literature, they are popular and able to get an audience because the people are familiar with the plots.
Ant & Dec may not be a comedy double act but as a pair they are surely the most at ease in each other's company since Morecambe and Wise (which is not an original observation) so it was interesting to hear Richard draw the parallel between their writers. Of course, like Eric & Ern, Ant & Dec have been performing together since childhood. Some partnerships give the impression they first met on their way to the studio,
i usually listen to spoken format stuff while playing a game, but with this channel i've noticed i watch and listen to them talking even though there aren't any visuals. It's just so engrossing. couldn't believe it was 45 minutes. It seemed to fly by. Thank you for another good one, and get well soon Marina! and you've got the play lists done - good job! whole channel shaping up nicely :)
This was another great episode. Thank you so much! The differences between US and UK television and movie market conversation was very interesting. However, as someone who lives in the US, I think part of what makes things more polarizing here is that there really only are two political parties so things actually can be polar. I was an Independent (Bernie Sanders is an Independent) for a while because I felt too liberal for the democratic party, but then I wasn't able to vote in primaries because there are no Independent candidates at almost any level - no less enough that one has to decide between them. The UK has many political parties, and some are obviously stronger than others, but I think that offers up a huge ven diagram of people and what they believe and want - which overflows into what they consume for media. Your parliamentary system also allowed you to get rid of Boris, eventually, long before we in the US were able to oust Trump because he constitutionally had 4 years in office except for extreme circumstances. The only way a President has lasted less time in office than Liz Truss was to catch a cold on inauguration day and died 31 days in .
Love the podcast Mr O and Ms H. I worked in telly, still sorta kinda do a bit, and worked with Ant'n'Dec (fellow Geordies, everything you said is true - there is not one person in this land that has anything even slightly off-colour to say about them, they are bright, funny, kind, thoughtful and - as Richard said - they love telly, they know back to front, they are obviously mates, having a great time and, despite issues in their private lives, what you see is all that and more. And I worked for many years with Ed Forsdick, who died very suddenly, at a very young age, and had a tear in my eye at Richard mentioning him - he was basically Ant'n'Dec's protector-slash-sorter-hyphen-enabler.
I direct you to my comment above, I can't be doing with them and know many like me. They've made a good job of stretching out a sliver of talent over years. I'll give them that. But enough. I'm just relieved they stayed on ITV where I can easily avoid them.
@@AndyRossism 100%, was getting a tad annoyed as they kept singing their praises when one was only banned for 20mths for drink driving amd causing a collision with two other cars. Anyone else and they'd be banned for life or in prison 🤷♂️ can't stand the pair of them.
@@electricmohair I would disagree. Yes it may be unheard to be banned for life (although thankfully that may change soon) you can still get 3-6mths imprisoned for being in charge of a vehicle or driving while drunk. The point I was making was two fold; they're not sweethearts and being influencial and well known tends to make these things go away or run more smoothly IE lenient sentences
Oh FFS, it was Ant McPartlin, the tall one, who failed a breathalyser, not the shorter Declan Donnelly. (DD didn’t D &D. Easy.) Or, if you watched Byker Grove, PJ (Ant) did, Duncan (Declan) didn’t.
Great show, I can't be the only one left wondering what Guy Ritchie did to Marina, her disdain for him is palpable. I'm enjoying how Richard is amusing himself by repeatedly suggesting the three of them work together. I hope Marina feels better soon.
I would imagine a Connect 4 film that sticks to history like the Elvis movie did, where David Bowie struggles to get his disc based game into production.
The thing about everyone sitting together and watching a show is that it’s a part of the national consciousness. Individuals watching stuff from all over the world is a great luxury. But it’s not a national experience. It’s a conversation about international experience. I’m not saying it’s good or bad. Just an observation.
I think that's a very fair point. There have been lots of conversations, not only between friends (the same /similar generations) but also family (multi - generation) regarding iconic TV moments and characters/people. Defenitely plays into the national psychy, whether as you yourself put it, rightly or wrongly. A Hollywood movie or a Netflix #1 show might be big talk in the moment, but it won't have the same lasting effect.
It's an interesting twist on the 80's approach to make movies and children TV shows with characters that can easily be marketed as toys or plushies after the movie (e.g Gremlins, any StarWars movie, Howard the Duck (even if this one was based on a comic))
I think they've missed the mark about Strictly there. While I'm sure they exist, I've never heard anyone say they love the stories/backgrounds etc, they like the dancing. It skews Tory simply because there's a correlation between age and Tory support, and old people are the biggest demographic for ballroom dancing. The point that it's not putting them off the show is valid, but given its such a tiny part of the show (I think? Granted I've only seen it briefly when my nan is visiting...), I'm not sure how much you can read into that. My grandad, who told me that "all Syrian refugees are roaming the streets with machine guns and need to be deported immediately" (so not the most liberal of people...) loves the show. Make of that what you will!
"Feel the tension as sweat drips down our hero's face. Marvel at the skill as a rod is gently moved into position. Experience the terror as boulders come crashing down. Coming soon to a cinema near you, it's Ker-Plunk the movie! (Rated PG for scenes of mild peril)" The backstory of Monopoly sounds rather like the movie "The Founder" (2016), about the creation of the Macdonalds corporation. Since it made $24m on a $15m budget, it wasn't a flop but was hardly a runaway success.
I feel like the only person in England who has never watched a single episode of Saturday Night Takeaway. Or love island. Or I’m a celebrity… Oh, and Strictly.
No , me too and most of my mates and proud of it. Horrible common naff chavvy stuff. I don't care how snobby I sound , I'm on welfare on a rough estate, we don't all have the same tastes.
These are wonderful conversations. It’s interesting that you didn’t mention C4 at all. I think their Saturday night was Friday night. It wasn’t all good (The Word, ha) but it was popular. I thought the anniversary reboot of Friday night live hosted by Ben Elton was great - and not just because of the established acts but because of the new ones. I watched the new series of Joe Lysett (late night)show. It definitely has promise but it relied on the three guests too much. None of whom were comedians. Why can’t a show like this showcase a few up and coming stand ups or talents? Would it cost that much? A microphone and a corner. Simple.
I love this podcast, the other love of my life is Ally Ross. I’d love to know what the industry as well as Richard and Marina's opinions are on The Suns TV critic Ally Ross? He seems impossible to find any information on with no social media presence. Has he lived off his one column per week for the last 20 years? How is he regarded amongst his peers?
she might have a point about the movie industry and the latest trend with toys. And then again - the industry has allways moved in trends and gifted filmmakers has allways been able to transcend and make art. I dont think it is that diferent from earlier.
The movie Tetris is the best example of a template for how to make a movie like the one which Monopoly might best be. Much as the cold war paradigm still feels relevant, nothing could be more relevant today than a woman whose IP was stolen to create a global franchise that didn't even steal her actual game - it stole the alternative ruleset where you play as a landlord as opposed to the actual rules of The Landlords Game where you play as a coop against the landlord 'boss'.
Have a shutdown on ITV on Saturday nights between 9.30 and 10.00 so that people can do something that doesn't involve having adverts pushed down their throats.
@@cameronclark8052 I don't know what you are trying to say. They are comparing polling in 2019 to polling now. Clarkson's Farm can't possibly be in the 2019 polling, so how can it have the biggest change? It makes no sense. He clearly said something incorrect.
@@mrsamjohnston95 They appear in 'Love Actually' as themselves, when Bill Nighy addresses one of them as 'Ant or Dec' as he has no idea which is which.
Watching so much great BBC content on TH-cam, I forget how much I never hear about. I didn't recognize anything mentioned in the middle third. Great episode. Again.
Same with sweets. No new sweets. All variations on a them. Kit Kat's, chunky kit kats, kit kat bites, kitkat white, kitkat dark, orange, mint etc etc. its all about aversion to risk.
No disrespect to Marina Hyde, but of course Modern Family is much more popular in liberal urban areas. As she says, it's all about a blended family with a gay couple and their adopted daughter etc! Did she mean to sound so surprised reading that bit out to us?
But that wouldn't be the case in the UK. EastEnders featured a gay kiss in 1989. There was some controversy around it, of course, but it was viewed by 17 million people. That wasn't an exclusively liberal audience. Socially conservative people in the UK don't expect TV shows to avoid topics they find objectionable, but their American counterparts do.
I just think that at some stage they're going to run out of material and move onto adult toys. "Butt Plug - The Movie" starring Daniel Day Lewis anyone?
The problem Hollywood has is money.They're not making enough, sounds odd but it's right. Streaming has destroyed physical sales and rentals for films AND TV and your 9.99 subscription to multiple stream providers isn't enough to cover it. Small films that would have been unlikely to find success in the theatre made boat loads on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray. Films like Good Will Hunting and others, the smaller $30 Million films would make it all back in physical sales and rentals.
Amusing that so much time was spent saying how nice Ant & Dec are (no argument there) and concurrently not intimating about anyone else herein mentioned being an appalling human that makes innocent crew members and PR girls cry from their needless viciousness. I too have found it wise to follow the rule that in this business you can slag someone off or you can name them but never both...
I observed as a young man in the late 80s when flares came back completely unironically amongst the generation that had spent their whole school years mocking Open University presenters from the 70s that we were basically out of cultural imagination now, and we'd just be cycling every ten years or so from now on. Mind you I was already mostly done with fashion once I'd cottoned on that there were people replacing basically their whole wardrobe every season, just seemed like a scam for the weak minded to me. The point is I'd spotted that we were now just reliving previous decades. The early to mid 80s was the last identifiable period - I was only born in the 70s, I was barely into double digits by 1990 and I'd noticed this Nothing since 1999 has been at all unique or fresh. 1999 is when the matrix came out - with essentially the same ideas Id been having since I was in single figures. ...I was a little premature, admittedly. But not by much, and I didn't predict the accelerating cycle - we're down to a 2 year cycle or so now, endlessly cycling back through the 60-90s. I was at a school awards ceremony this evening - every kid who got up on stage looked like they'd just walked out of the 90s, absolutely nothing 'now' about any of them. I could show you the photos and I doubt anyone but a cultural academic could possibly tell me what decade it was other than 'after 1990', except by looking at the resolution of the photographs. Very sad, we're done. Will the last person to leave Western culture please turn out the lights.
Hollywood has basically given up making movies and now just makes commercials, maybe one day A.I will allow us to create films that have an original story..
Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. Period. If movies are based on previous IP, that means that they can't come up with an original story, and THEY KNOW IT! So they'll piggyback on the most recent successful box office, and replicate the formula (i.e. toys, superheroes)
John Oliver is nothing like Letterman etc. He doesn't have celebrity guests on to interview at all. The remit of the show is to a a sort of comedic way highlight things that are horrendous in America and around the world. You could not get more diametrically opposed shows. Want USA shows to bring people together how about Masked Singer, USA has got Talent, X Factor? Aren't those watched across the board?
Reality shows & talent shows aren’t as big in the US as they are in the UK. We’ve kind of gone off them over the last decade or so. I suspect this is partly because of the BBC license fee-The Beeb ensures that a certain amount of linear tv will prevail in the UK for the foreseeable future. It’s also a money issue. British television producers don’t have a lot of money. Talent shows, reality shows & panel shows are all relatively cheap and easy to produce. They can’t afford to produce all that much original content.
What qualifies as a bad word about Ant & Dec, because I don't enjoy any of their programs. Saturday Night Takeaway was an exhausting slog through the type of tv variety show that I would expect to be extinct. I don't think their brand of broad old fashioned comedy is funny. They seem like a tired relic of tv from the past. I understand they're very popular and may be very nice. I don't have anything against them, but I think the shows they produce absolute dross. They give Noel's House Party energy and I don't understand how they've managed to keep that type of light entertainment going beyond a lot of people enjoying watching stuff they don't have to put any thought into.
As per your almost last comment, Marina, no, they really do exist. Their emotional half-lives tend to be very short-lived and so their malign influences explode early on, typically upon those immediately around them (ie. spousal/familial abuse), but some, either via luck or bouyant cunning(? - if that's a phrase), last long enough to learn the lessons of survival amongst the rest of us. Like learning to walk is learning to constantly fall forward. They do exist. They're entirely infantile in their impulse control. Some even make it to the orbit of politics but most are too narcissistic for 'collegiate cooperation'. Richie shows that in the world of fiction, in the world of glamour (in the faerie sense), you can indeed polish a turd.
Coming from a game design background, Monopoly is being taught as the prime example of bad game design. The entire board game industry has moved on for decades from that type of design, and it's absolutely mental that this awful game still has relevance in culture today. Barbie and Lego are different in that regard, as they still have relevance in the toy market. Monopoly still makes a boatload of money, but in the board game community it isn't taken seriously. As Richard says, the story behind monopoly is far more interesting than the game, the brand is more important than the actual product.
Monopoly's chokehold on the public consciousness astounds me. That people in general have no thought to how much the gaming world has moved on in 100 years is incredible. Personally I'm waiting for a movie based on the world of Scythe
There's one thing (or two) I'll never understand about this country: Ant & Dec! I will absolutely not watch anything they're in, I find them cringe, contrived and... infantile, I guess? I can't stand them and it baffles me how they're *every-freaking-where* 😮
I get such a nasty vibe from him. Something shifty in his eyes and I'm rarely wrong. Maybe not Yew Tree level, more common or garden 'C U Next Tuesday' stuff. I don't think he's quite at Clement Freud or Rolf Harris level. More like toxic Diva.
I wouldn’t even watch a Dinky Toy, Meccano, Triang or Hornby… or a Slinky Spring movie. Let alone bleedin’ Barbie or a Monopoly movie. (I would consider paying out a substantial (weight or value?) prize in pre-decimal currency if you want to take a crack at guessing how old I am. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣) Oppenheimer, on the other hand, is definitely one of the top 20 movies I’ve ever watched, even though the ‘true’ story got a bit mangled. Hollywood’s ‘top layer’ is, as always, populated by people who couldn’t raise an original thought if their corporate lives depended on it.
Oh for the love of all things pink and purple, Marina, give it a rest with The Gentlemen. You spent ten whole minutes talking about how you would make a film about Buckaroo and then you moan about Guy Ritchie making nothing remotely authentic. SMH
Just wanted to pitch a couple of Ideas for Toy Movies:
- The "Hungry Hippos" movie will celebrate overcoming eating disorders and body positivity
- The "Guess who" movie, a thriller that deals with the perils of facial recognition software in democracy
- The "Jenga" movie: a social drama showing the issues with construction quality in social housing
- The "Risk" movie: no plot to pitch here just turn on the news anyday. Highly rewatchable
Buckaroo - a sequel to Animal Farm with the donkey as a metaphor for the the working class rebelling against their corporate overlords (overloads- sic)
I'm afraid you were going for a joke here, but accidently came up with some fascinating pitches and now I wish Hollywood would listen to you and acutally make some of these so I can see it with Dwayne Johnson in all the major roles
I absolutely love these comments….
brilliant
That would be a hell of a task to set on Taskmaster : You have 30 minutes to Elect the next government, your time starts ....
It's........ LITTLE RISHI SUNAK.
...find a pre-middle-aged US presidential candidate who is no nepo-baby
@@R.Daneel😁😁😁
I could watch an hour on the polling alone! It really scratches my data nerd itch 😄
So do the exact same precentages watch Question Time as vote for their respective parties? Had no idea so few SNP or LibDem supports watched Question Time 🙂
Interesting about David Walliams. I knew he was a writer back years ago, but I hadn't realised he worked on Ant and Dec.
Great point on the difference between the US and British tv markets and how shows are still shared in the UK and not in the US. I hope the examples you gave are only the extreme for the US and we do have some shared programs, but other than sports, I don't know what they would be. I almost exclusively stream programs, and mostly yours, the only thing I'm watching on terrestrial right now is Mr. Bates vs the Post Office; it just hit PBS Masterpiece and I cannot wait to stream it the next day.
I recall talking to a friend working as a producer in Hollywood back in 2008 who explained that global movie marketing is a massive expense, so one based on a board game saves studios a lot of 🤑.
I flippantly suggested a serial killer movie based on Hangman, because it’s universal and unlicensed by any company, and he told me if it was pitched right, someone would probably sign it.
I laughed, and forgot about it.
9 years later, Hangman (with Al Pacino) came out in cinemas… Turns out you *can* write it! 🤣
From your description of the true history of Monopoly from the 1904 Landlord Game, it sounds like The Founder based on the history of McDonalds, which I would definitely see.
I had to search for “Saturday Night Takeaway”. I’ve never heard of it and thought you were referring to SNL. 😂
An observation about Marina's comment that the characters in Guy Ritchie efforts don't exist. I grew up in the Eastend to parents who were as Eastend as it gets. Let me say that the family members, friends, acquaintances, extended family et al that I met over a few decades I can *absolutely* see in many Guy Ritchie films. Even the stories ! That Marina doesn't think these people exist or are real perhaps says more about Marina's experiences and her upbringing as the daughter of a 2nd baronet than it does an objective take on "what exists". Hilariously, two weeks ago, sitting with my now very senior brother in law, after getting through stories about nicked cars, dodgy criminal types and outright nutcases, we got to a tale about a gypsy bare knuckle fighter, cannabis plants mistaken for tomatoes, and the local greasy spoon owner inadvertently deep frying his own toupe - fishing it out, patting it off, sticking it back on his head, before serving the sausage, egg and chips up. There are *many* stories like this - true - some of which I was involved in ( sitting at one end of a gypsy caravan, and previously ominously threatened by my dad to "for f*** sake do not turn down a cup of tea if they offer one". Lots of stories. Lots of characters. Let me assure you, the dodgy cast of Guy Ritchie characters absolutely do exist, and those stories do happen. One of the delights for me when Lock Stock first came out was recognition ! Hey. Heyyyy. I know this !
Agreed, she has been too sheltered in her life that she can’t comprehend some things on the skirts
Wasn't Hugh Jackman's Real Steel effectively the Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots movie?
I thought the same thing. At least Jumanji (the first one) was an original idea of a game....
I'm so glad Ant & Dec have completely passed me by in my life. The times I've seen them they're incredible banal.
100%
Buckaroo 2: Electric Boogaloo
I was working at Hasbro properties group when we signed the original movie deal. It was an umbrella deal with about 10-12 IPs included but Transformers was the hook. This was circa 2002ish I think. Included were battleship, my little pony etc but also some more us centric IPs.
Like Rockem Sockem Robots....but Marina fails to mention this....bit of a theme..
@@poowey that's not a hasbro brand though, not part of the same deal
There's already a Barney movie... It's called Death to Smoochy and it's brilliant.
The part about End of Saturday Night Takeaway and viewership is so interesting.
To use a comparison to linear television, it reminds me of the early 00's when American networks and especially Fox were ruthless with cancelling shows when they weren't getting the viewership.
Shows like Aaron Sorkin's Sports Night (ABC, and made in 1998, but you get the idea). Cancelled after two seasons, with average viewerships in the low to medium millions.
Any network would do unspeakable things to get viewers like that again for linear television.
That's an interesting point, show's you how much has changed in a (relatively) short time period. What you said about fox in the 00s is true, as they did the same with famiy guy. Though thanks to strong dvd sales (now it'd be streaming), it was reinstated.
Don't know about viewing figures now, but as a 25year (and counting) stalwart it'll probably not ever be cancelled, despite probably having less terrestrial viewers than pre-cancellation!
I seem to remember there was a book that came out a couple of years ago called The 7 Basic Plots, where the author argues that in most fiction (novels, films, TV/streaming ), if you look at any story they are essentially one of 7 basic stories with the only differences being the names and locations. The reason for this is because it makes it easy for the audience to follow the plot without much set up required by the writers or director.
This is also why they remake films numerous times whether it is The Maltese Falcon, A Star is Born, Romeo & Juliet etc. work. Whether they are pop fiction like Falcon, or classic literature, they are popular and able to get an audience because the people are familiar with the plots.
Ant & Dec may not be a comedy double act but as a pair they are surely the most at ease in each other's company since Morecambe and Wise (which is not an original observation) so it was interesting to hear Richard draw the parallel between their writers. Of course, like Eric & Ern, Ant & Dec have been performing together since childhood. Some partnerships give the impression they first met on their way to the studio,
They've certainly had 'a few bumps in the road'
i usually listen to spoken format stuff while playing a game, but with this channel i've noticed i watch and listen to them talking even though there aren't any visuals. It's just so engrossing. couldn't believe it was 45 minutes. It seemed to fly by. Thank you for another good one, and get well soon Marina!
and you've got the play lists done - good job! whole channel shaping up nicely :)
This was another great episode. Thank you so much! The differences between US and UK television and movie market conversation was very interesting. However, as someone who lives in the US, I think part of what makes things more polarizing here is that there really only are two political parties so things actually can be polar. I was an Independent (Bernie Sanders is an Independent) for a while because I felt too liberal for the democratic party, but then I wasn't able to vote in primaries because there are no Independent candidates at almost any level - no less enough that one has to decide between them. The UK has many political parties, and some are obviously stronger than others, but I think that offers up a huge ven diagram of people and what they believe and want - which overflows into what they consume for media. Your parliamentary system also allowed you to get rid of Boris, eventually, long before we in the US were able to oust Trump because he constitutionally had 4 years in office except for extreme circumstances. The only way a President has lasted less time in office than Liz Truss was to catch a cold on inauguration day and died 31 days in
.
William Henry Harrison, I believe. Always a good answer on Pointless, the quiz show that 1st put Richard in front of the camera
Love the podcast Mr O and Ms H. I worked in telly, still sorta kinda do a bit, and worked with Ant'n'Dec (fellow Geordies, everything you said is true - there is not one person in this land that has anything even slightly off-colour to say about them, they are bright, funny, kind, thoughtful and - as Richard said - they love telly, they know back to front, they are obviously mates, having a great time and, despite issues in their private lives, what you see is all that and more.
And I worked for many years with Ed Forsdick, who died very suddenly, at a very young age, and had a tear in my eye at Richard mentioning him - he was basically Ant'n'Dec's protector-slash-sorter-hyphen-enabler.
I direct you to my comment above, I can't be doing with them and know many like me. They've made a good job of stretching out a sliver of talent over years. I'll give them that. But enough. I'm just relieved they stayed on ITV where I can easily avoid them.
@@AndyRossism 100%, was getting a tad annoyed as they kept singing their praises when one was only banned for 20mths for drink driving amd causing a collision with two other cars. Anyone else and they'd be banned for life or in prison 🤷♂️ can't stand the pair of them.
@@ScotSteam47it’s not typical to be imprisoned or banned for life for a first offence drink driving incident where nobody was hurt
@@electricmohair I would disagree. Yes it may be unheard to be banned for life (although thankfully that may change soon) you can still get 3-6mths imprisoned for being in charge of a vehicle or driving while drunk. The point I was making was two fold; they're not sweethearts and being influencial and well known tends to make these things go away or run more smoothly IE lenient sentences
The monopoly story sounds like the Netflix series "The Founder", based on McDonalds.
I think a Cars spin-off movie where they enter the world of Rocket League could be funny.
The rocket league fans/players are perfect age for a cars crossover too
Talking about sequels. Saturday night takeaway is noel edmonds house party v2
The sound of cinemas closing...
Sorry have we forgotten about Dec drink driving in 2018?
Well you've clearly forgotten. Here's a clue: It wasn't Dec.
@@rossmathieson9636 My bad , you're right man.
I have edited the original post to be corrected
Oh FFS, it was Ant McPartlin, the tall one, who failed a breathalyser, not the shorter Declan Donnelly. (DD didn’t D &D. Easy.)
Or, if you watched Byker Grove, PJ (Ant) did, Duncan (Declan) didn’t.
21:56 he’s going to mention gladiators isn’t he haha
Great show, I can't be the only one left wondering what Guy Ritchie did to Marina, her disdain for him is palpable. I'm enjoying how Richard is amusing himself by repeatedly suggesting the three of them work together. I hope Marina feels better soon.
love these longer pods
I would imagine a Connect 4 film that sticks to history like the Elvis movie did, where David Bowie struggles to get his disc based game into production.
Brilliant show! Loving this. Committed listener. 👍😀
The thing about everyone sitting together and watching a show is that it’s a part of the national consciousness. Individuals watching stuff from all over the world is a great luxury. But it’s not a national experience. It’s a conversation about international experience. I’m not saying it’s good or bad. Just an observation.
I think that's a very fair point. There have been lots of conversations, not only between friends (the same /similar generations) but also family (multi - generation) regarding iconic TV moments and characters/people. Defenitely plays into the national psychy, whether as you yourself put it, rightly or wrongly. A Hollywood movie or a Netflix #1 show might be big talk in the moment, but it won't have the same lasting effect.
It's an interesting twist on the 80's approach to make movies and children TV shows with characters that can easily be marketed as toys or plushies after the movie (e.g Gremlins, any StarWars movie, Howard the Duck (even if this one was based on a comic))
Don't mention the drink driving
I found a board game of the film 'Big Trouble in Little China' in a toy shop. The £70 price tag put me off buying it.
I think they've missed the mark about Strictly there. While I'm sure they exist, I've never heard anyone say they love the stories/backgrounds etc, they like the dancing. It skews Tory simply because there's a correlation between age and Tory support, and old people are the biggest demographic for ballroom dancing.
The point that it's not putting them off the show is valid, but given its such a tiny part of the show (I think? Granted I've only seen it briefly when my nan is visiting...), I'm not sure how much you can read into that. My grandad, who told me that "all Syrian refugees are roaming the streets with machine guns and need to be deported immediately" (so not the most liberal of people...) loves the show. Make of that what you will!
watching strictly come dancing but shaking my head so everyone knows I’m not a tory
I can definitely see a Monopoly movie that is across between The Founder and Air.
Byker Grove - the origin story of Ant & Dec: there! - some film-ready IP...
25:29 So here it starts
Love the show, but the advertising, has a minimum of 4 x adverts...
Too many adverts kill the listening experience
"Feel the tension as sweat drips down our hero's face. Marvel at the skill as a rod is gently moved into position. Experience the terror as boulders come crashing down. Coming soon to a cinema near you, it's Ker-Plunk the movie! (Rated PG for scenes of mild peril)"
The backstory of Monopoly sounds rather like the movie "The Founder" (2016), about the creation of the Macdonalds corporation. Since it made $24m on a $15m budget, it wasn't a flop but was hardly a runaway success.
These pods just get better and better, when your where talking about the shows at the end I am definitely a "Happy Valley/Taskmaster/Bake Off" leftie.
Luckily, Dune 3 has both existing IP, and 5 letters in the title!
I feel like the only person in England who has never watched a single episode of Saturday Night Takeaway. Or love island. Or I’m a celebrity…
Oh, and Strictly.
No , me too and most of my mates and proud of it. Horrible common naff chavvy stuff. I don't care how snobby I sound , I'm on welfare on a rough estate, we don't all have the same tastes.
I'm not from the UK but don't watch shite tv so you're not alone.
Me neither, 🏴
I'm surprised they didn't mention who Mrs Brown's Boys fans are voting for
The Buckeroo movie sounds awesome 😂. Oh and Marina, sorry your head was itching so badly!
At least she’s washed the sh*t off of her sleeve from last time, so … 👍😜
Saturday night should be something LIVE.
These are wonderful conversations.
It’s interesting that you didn’t mention C4 at all.
I think their Saturday night was Friday night. It wasn’t all good (The Word, ha) but it was popular. I thought the anniversary reboot of Friday night live hosted by Ben Elton was great - and not just because of the established acts but because of the new ones.
I watched the new series of Joe Lysett (late night)show. It definitely has promise but it relied on the three guests too much. None of whom were comedians. Why can’t a show like this showcase a few up and coming stand ups or talents? Would it cost that much? A microphone and a corner. Simple.
I can't wait for the TiddlyWinks prequels
Just realised... Richard Osman + beard = Gordon Freeman...
Get this man a hazard suit!
Still no Thundercats movie!!! Thundercats Ho!!
I love this podcast, the other love of my life is Ally Ross. I’d love to know what the industry as well as Richard and Marina's opinions are on The Suns TV critic Ally Ross? He seems impossible to find any information on with no social media presence. Has he lived off his one column per week for the last 20 years? How is he regarded amongst his peers?
I think low budget movies are doing well atm imo
she might have a point about the movie industry and the latest trend with toys. And then again - the industry has allways moved in trends and gifted filmmakers has allways been able to transcend and make art. I dont think it is that diferent from earlier.
The movie Tetris is the best example of a template for how to make a movie like the one which Monopoly might best be. Much as the cold war paradigm still feels relevant, nothing could be more relevant today than a woman whose IP was stolen to create a global franchise that didn't even steal her actual game - it stole the alternative ruleset where you play as a landlord as opposed to the actual rules of The Landlords Game where you play as a coop against the landlord 'boss'.
Hate to break it to Marina, but thats not what it means when you call someone a milky way. Brown on the outside white inside...
so it's like calling someone a coconut?
Depend on who is being asked, a more middle aged or elderly white person won’t be aware of that reference?
Never heard anyone say that…. Especially since they aren’t even white inside they are more creamy beige
My Dad HATES Ant and Dec. "Can't dance, sing, act, tell jokes - no talent"😅
I like your Dad!
@@NerdGirlUKI second this!
Ditto
Fair point, but hate seems extreme
@@od9694 You haven't met my Dad !!😆
Have a shutdown on ITV on Saturday nights between 9.30 and 10.00 so that people can do something that doesn't involve having adverts pushed down their throats.
I'm belatedly grateful to increased advertising as it weened me off watching television more than 20 years ago.
How has Clarkson's Farm swung since 2019 when it didn't come out until 2021?
Since 2019, no other show has swung like it since 2019.
So a show in 2019 did swing
@@cameronclark8052 I don't know what you are trying to say. They are comparing polling in 2019 to polling now. Clarkson's Farm can't possibly be in the 2019 polling, so how can it have the biggest change? It makes no sense. He clearly said something incorrect.
I want to see the Monopoly story movie.
Wait, what is happening to Clarkson's Farm!?
Its been dropped since Clarkson's a bit if a wolly. Won't go on much longer (although obviously being farming it takes a long time to make)
Nothing really. Season 3 trailer just dropped today
I’m not British… Are they saying “Anton Deck”?
Any & Dec; they’re a comedy duo/presenting partnership that have been around for 25+ years
@@mrsamjohnston95 They appear in 'Love Actually' as themselves, when Bill Nighy addresses one of them as 'Ant or Dec' as he has no idea which is which.
Watching so much great BBC content on TH-cam, I forget how much I never hear about. I didn't recognize anything mentioned in the middle third. Great episode. Again.
Same with sweets. No new sweets. All variations on a them. Kit Kat's, chunky kit kats, kit kat bites, kitkat white, kitkat dark, orange, mint etc etc. its all about aversion to risk.
When is the Star Wars action figures movie due ? 😂😂😂😂
Still worrying about how itchy Marina is
It’s spring allergy season. I’m itchy all over, too.
I genuinely think Nintendo are missing a trick by not releasing more films related to their IP's
I believe they are working on Zelda
@@mattblack6736 that would be a cool move
i love this woman!!!!
No disrespect to Marina Hyde, but of course Modern Family is much more popular in liberal urban areas. As she says, it's all about a blended family with a gay couple and their adopted daughter etc! Did she mean to sound so surprised reading that bit out to us?
But that wouldn't be the case in the UK. EastEnders featured a gay kiss in 1989. There was some controversy around it, of course, but it was viewed by 17 million people. That wasn't an exclusively liberal audience. Socially conservative people in the UK don't expect TV shows to avoid topics they find objectionable, but their American counterparts do.
I just think that at some stage they're going to run out of material and move onto adult toys. "Butt Plug - The Movie" starring Daniel Day Lewis anyone?
The problem Hollywood has is money.They're not making enough, sounds odd but it's right.
Streaming has destroyed physical sales and rentals for films AND TV and your 9.99 subscription to multiple stream providers isn't enough to cover it. Small films that would have been unlikely to find success in the theatre made boat loads on VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray. Films like Good Will Hunting and others, the smaller $30 Million films would make it all back in physical sales and rentals.
im fully here for marinas contempt for guy richie :)
Minecraft movie will be a blockbuster....
Who are Ant & Dec?
A ghastly annoying duo.
Let’s hope that’s the story Margot wants to tell.
“The Buckaroovie”
Yo-yo the movie, ball in a cup the movie, hop scotch the movie, 😂😂😂
I hope that the Hot Wheels movie uses actual toy cars.
Amusing that so much time was spent saying how nice Ant & Dec are (no argument there) and concurrently not intimating about anyone else herein mentioned being an appalling human that makes innocent crew members and PR girls cry from their needless viciousness.
I too have found it wise to follow the rule that in this business you can slag someone off or you can name them but never both...
How on earth the the random ramblings of two industry nurds become my favorite weekly thing?
The Lego movies work, due to the world building qualities of Lego.
I observed as a young man in the late 80s when flares came back completely unironically amongst the generation that had spent their whole school years mocking Open University presenters from the 70s that we were basically out of cultural imagination now, and we'd just be cycling every ten years or so from now on. Mind you I was already mostly done with fashion once I'd cottoned on that there were people replacing basically their whole wardrobe every season, just seemed like a scam for the weak minded to me. The point is I'd spotted that we were now just reliving previous decades. The early to mid 80s was the last identifiable period - I was only born in the 70s, I was barely into double digits by 1990 and I'd noticed this Nothing since 1999 has been at all unique or fresh.
1999 is when the matrix came out - with essentially the same ideas Id been having since I was in single figures.
...I was a little premature, admittedly. But not by much, and I didn't predict the accelerating cycle - we're down to a 2 year cycle or so now, endlessly cycling back through the 60-90s. I was at a school awards ceremony this evening - every kid who got up on stage looked like they'd just walked out of the 90s, absolutely nothing 'now' about any of them. I could show you the photos and I doubt anyone but a cultural academic could possibly tell me what decade it was other than 'after 1990', except by looking at the resolution of the photographs.
Very sad, we're done.
Will the last person to leave Western culture please turn out the lights.
“You can’t find anybody to say mean anything about Ant and Dec….”
I can think of at least one ex-wife who might have a couple of choice words! 😉
Not to get all JK Rowling but I am not a fan of the transitions
Hollywood has basically given up making movies and now just makes commercials, maybe one day A.I will allow us to create films that have an original story..
Modern day Morecombe and Wise
Nonsense.
Scrabble the movie
Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. Period. If movies are based on previous IP, that means that they can't come up with an original story, and THEY KNOW IT! So they'll piggyback on the most recent successful box office, and replicate the formula (i.e. toys, superheroes)
I thought the original landlords game had 2 sets of rules, capatalism vs socialism rules as part of shoing the evils of capatalism
John Oliver is nothing like Letterman etc. He doesn't have celebrity guests on to interview at all. The remit of the show is to a a sort of comedic way highlight things that are horrendous in America and around the world. You could not get more diametrically opposed shows.
Want USA shows to bring people together how about Masked Singer, USA has got Talent, X Factor? Aren't those watched across the board?
Reality shows & talent shows aren’t as big in the US as they are in the UK. We’ve kind of gone off them over the last decade or so. I suspect this is partly because of the BBC license fee-The Beeb ensures that a certain amount of linear tv will prevail in the UK for the foreseeable future.
It’s also a money issue. British television producers don’t have a lot of money. Talent shows, reality shows & panel shows are all relatively cheap and easy to produce. They can’t afford to produce all that much original content.
Discussing politics yet again on the rest is 'Entertainment' despite the existence of the rest is politics. There's no escape 😅
If they'd let the rest of the world pay the license fee, which I would to watch British tv. You would make more money and get pirated less?
What qualifies as a bad word about Ant & Dec, because I don't enjoy any of their programs. Saturday Night Takeaway was an exhausting slog through the type of tv variety show that I would expect to be extinct. I don't think their brand of broad old fashioned comedy is funny. They seem like a tired relic of tv from the past. I understand they're very popular and may be very nice. I don't have anything against them, but I think the shows they produce absolute dross. They give Noel's House Party energy and I don't understand how they've managed to keep that type of light entertainment going beyond a lot of people enjoying watching stuff they don't have to put any thought into.
Funny to people half listening as they eat their takeaway , minds mangled by the bright flashy lights and attention wrecking adverts!
As per your almost last comment, Marina, no, they really do exist.
Their emotional half-lives tend to be very short-lived and so their malign influences explode early on, typically upon those immediately around them (ie. spousal/familial abuse), but some, either via luck or bouyant cunning(? - if that's a phrase), last long enough to learn the lessons of survival amongst the rest of us. Like learning to walk is learning to constantly fall forward.
They do exist. They're entirely infantile in their impulse control. Some even make it to the orbit of politics but most are too narcissistic for 'collegiate cooperation'. Richie shows that in the world of fiction, in the world of glamour (in the faerie sense), you can indeed polish a turd.
Way too much time spent in Ant and Dec and not enough on Fallout on Amazon Prime.
Coming from a game design background, Monopoly is being taught as the prime example of bad game design. The entire board game industry has moved on for decades from that type of design, and it's absolutely mental that this awful game still has relevance in culture today. Barbie and Lego are different in that regard, as they still have relevance in the toy market. Monopoly still makes a boatload of money, but in the board game community it isn't taken seriously. As Richard says, the story behind monopoly is far more interesting than the game, the brand is more important than the actual product.
Monopoly's chokehold on the public consciousness astounds me. That people in general have no thought to how much the gaming world has moved on in 100 years is incredible. Personally I'm waiting for a movie based on the world of Scythe
Monopoly Deal the card game is a much stronger and enjoyable version of the original, and most games take 15 - 20 mins.
There's one thing (or two) I'll never understand about this country: Ant & Dec! I will absolutely not watch anything they're in, I find them cringe, contrived and... infantile, I guess? I can't stand them and it baffles me how they're *every-freaking-where* 😮
Do people in the TV industry find David Walliams as creepy and sordid as the public do? I would put money on him getting Yewtree'd in the future
I get such a nasty vibe from him. Something shifty in his eyes and I'm rarely wrong. Maybe not Yew Tree level, more common or garden 'C U Next Tuesday' stuff. I don't think he's quite at Clement Freud or Rolf Harris level. More like toxic Diva.
He seems deeply insecure which makes him pretty try-hard and creepy.
They'll be making toy stories for the next bunch of years until they fail, that's what Hollywood does.
I wouldn’t even watch a Dinky Toy, Meccano, Triang or Hornby… or a Slinky Spring movie. Let alone bleedin’ Barbie or a Monopoly movie.
(I would consider paying out a substantial (weight or value?) prize in pre-decimal currency if you want to take a crack at guessing how old I am. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣)
Oppenheimer, on the other hand, is definitely one of the top 20 movies I’ve ever watched, even though the ‘true’ story got a bit mangled.
Hollywood’s ‘top layer’ is, as always, populated by people who couldn’t raise an original thought if their corporate lives depended on it.
Oh for the love of all things pink and purple, Marina, give it a rest with The Gentlemen. You spent ten whole minutes talking about how you would make a film about Buckaroo and then you moan about Guy Ritchie making nothing remotely authentic. SMH
I love Richard Osman but Marina really gets under my skin. She’s such a pretentious knob.