My indoor setup is very simple, a pair of cycling rollers, a Garmin head unit with a cadence sensor, a speed sensor , an HRM, and my phone with GCN training videos. My pain cave is also my kitchen.
I'm improving my indoor setup by moving it to the garage from inside the house. When it's cold outside, it's much cooler in the garage than in the house, so it's not quite the sweat box as riding inside the house. It's only marginally faster to get ready to ride the turbo than to ride outdoors. I use a wheel-on trainer, mostly with a single bike that I bought specifically as a winter/turbo bike. One thing I don't get is why people bother to don a skin-tight jersey and aero socks to ride inside.
My gym is just around the corner so I use one of those spinning cycles which I can connect to my heart-belt. I just do not have the right space at home as I do not want to create a dampy atmosphere in our flat. The spinning bike is also easier to clean, the gym has A/C and drinks are for free. For distraction I use my tablet with Sky and Amazon prime video.
My pain cave is top of the line: an automatic fan that blows harder the faster you go, varied photorealistic 3d graphics, surround sound, seasonal temperature variations, the whole nine yards. The only problem is that this setup is so big that I have to keep it outdoors.
@@sibike1 yeah, they spared no expense. There are even achievements you can unlock, such as Pee on the Bushes, Flat Tire During a Snowfall, Broken Collarbone, etc. A truly immersive experience.
@@sibike1 I installed the Latest DLC it's called "Gravel" it eliminates cars for most of each level, but sometimes replaces them with irresponsible dog owners and runners with headphones who are only programed to look behind them once and hour.
I have similar !! Mine simulates potholes and road kill, car doors fly open in front of me and I use the interactive bars to swerve around them , and car pass by to help with cooling .
Alex's bike collection at 9:31, and Matt's simple wall hanger at 2:26. It would be interesting for GCN to do a video on bike storage solutions for small spaces.
Da Hänger wall mounts are great. Between my wife and me there are 6 bikes in a small 2 story townhouse. Bikes are on the walls as part of the decoration but also very accessible to get down and go out the door. Since they are pretty much flush against the wall they don't encroach on living space much.
Check out Garage Gyms on YT, some great ideas and tours! Also I'm convinced people who put their pain caves on social media then get broken in to ... 😐
Got a permanent set up in my kitchen with one of my two pride and joys. The kitchen is also the place I sit when working from home so I glance over at my bike throughout the day and just wait until the working day is over and the fun can begin!
Honestly, if I knew how much I would use my trainer before I bought it, I would have spent a little more to get a dedicated smart bike. No chain to mess with or extra wear on your road bike!
Yeah me too. Especially after my wife saw how much fun I had, she wanted in on the action too, now we have to change bikes on the trainer which is a pain, luckily we have the same groupset, but still it's a hassle. A smart bike would take 5 secs, adjust the stem, seatpost and off you go... Maybe I'll get one for next winter season
I’ve got my road bike and second-hand Wahoo Kickr set up in the corner of my home office with a TV to run Zwift and a spot for my phone to run SYSTM (I like SYSTM’s workouts better but enjoy the video game aspect of Zwift). It’ll stay up during the winter; if I get outside, it’ll be on the gravel bike. I’m thankful I have the economic privilege to have the options.
having a second road bike, a nice luxury really helps make a perm setup. Been using the kickr snap for years, will be investing in the kicker core soon, time to setup!
I have several 'Second road bikes'. Old bikes from the 1980s. Scrappy and I don't mind them getting filthy. Full mudguards. If I really have to stay in, I fit a Turbo Tyre.
The cheapest decathlon road bike as a spare bike is not a needless luxury, when you compare it against the damage indoor training can do to your main bike. The real luxury however isn’t the cost of a second bike; it’s the space to leave it there. I’m thankful to have an entire spare room for my pain cave where I park my weights and stuff as well. Helps too when the wife is into fitness as well and understands my requirements.
Dedicated bike on a Wahoo Kickr and Climb it was expensive, but encourages me to put in time during bad weather and makes winter riding possible during the copious lake effect snow we receive in west Michigan
Dear Mannon. You must change your garage door or risk losing all your bikes and kit! That old up and over door can be broken into fairly silently under a minute with just a crow bar and bare hands to fold back a corner, cut the cable and its open. Get GCN to pay for a roller door. Great vid... sorry for my somber observation and wishing you a speedy recovery.
My man cave doubles as the pain cave- permanent bike on Saris MP1 Infinity platform next to the couch at 45 degrees- I then pull the 55" TV opposite the couch away from the wall on a big swivel arm and square it to the bike about 4ft away, remote controlled vacmaster 54 pointed at me, windows either end opened, tunes on and off into Watopia I go in the dark.... sorted.... 2 mins to put it back to a man cave!
Permanent set up. SL3 Roubaix Expert mounted on a Wahoo. Wahoo hooks to my desktop computer via Bluetooth. HDMI cable to a 42” monitor hooked up to my desktop. Turbo fan in front of the bike. Just upgraded my wahoo with a click v2.
Being a singleton in a small apartment I have a hybrid set up. One bike is permanently set up on the Neo 2T on a mat which lives tucked neatly by the clugged bikes and then slide out for trainer time. An Amazon bought telescopic stand, for the laptop, comes out from under the couch along with the fan then everything's plugged in ready to ride. It's set up 4 feet from the open balcony door for extra cooling and the suffering begins. Talking of suffering, I hope Manon's leg injury heals quickly. At first glance I thought she was wearing riding boots and jodhpurs like a good country lass.
Waxed chains in lieu of wet lubes is definately a plus when the bike has to be in living spaces for indoor training-no worries about greasy stains getting on carpet or clothing.
Permanent, in the garage. Old bike on a ZWIFT trainer, cheap big screen, large gorilla mat to include a selection of kettlebells. Elevation is 8000' or 2468.88m for you met-heads. The altitude adds a whole different dimension to trying to keep up with flatlanders on the "Road to the Sky" climb!
Being Canadian, winter riding is really not for me. I have a Wahoo Kickr in a permanent set-up using a dedicated iPad Pro on a Wahoo stand and a retired MTB for my rides. Works great. Just kit up and away I go. I have a a pain cave/office so no issues at all. I like the luxury of not having to set things up.
I use a nice VanRysel aluminum road bike as a permanent setup. Using a Chinese Magene turbo trainer. I use an ironing board for my iPads one for Zwift the other for entertainment. I have a fan (which needs more power) the whole set up is in my bedroom, luckily my wife is cool with that
My wife and I have a pain corner in our bedroom. Last summer I found a Stages smart bike for sale for a ridiculously good price. Being smaller than a bike on a trainer it fits the corner well. An older unused iMac serves as the dedicated Zwift computer and a Vortec fan keeps us cool. Smart bike easily adjusts between us and we freed up two older bikes for townie use and sold two trainers to significantly defray the smart bike cost and free up basement space.
When we moved into our house 12 years ago we decided we wouldn't use the garage for cars, but rather for storage and a gym. Since then I've added a permanent indoor training setup which has been enhanced over the last 6 years but now comprises Tacx Neo (OG), dedicated trainer bike, 50" LCD, high velocity floor fan and state-of-the-art Intel NUC running 4 different cycling apps. The only downside is that it's draughty (which means it gets a bit dirty) and freezing in Winter and can be a bit warm in Summer. Covers keep the electronics clean but I can be up and cycling in a couple of minutes. The only change I'd make is move it all indoors with A/C!
I have been using my Elite Nero interactive rollers for about 2.5 years now. Absolutely love them. Just unfold and pop the bike on. No need to remove anything from the bike and hop on and ride. I have it linked up to rouvy that projects onto the wall in front of me. Also I don't use the power from the rollers as it is pretty far off (like 15 to 20% more power than my crank based metre). Having only 1 bike this is most convenient setup for me. Also I believe less stress on your frame than it being locked in when you are out of the saddle sprinting. Oh only drawback is they are noisy compared to direct drive.
My permanent setup is a Kickr Bike, Saris rocker plate, 43 inch screen and 2 fans and I also have a 7.2kg Carbon Road Bike and all that cost less than Alex's bike. No way I would put that bike on an indoor trainer.
A permanent setup is a way to go if you have the space. If I had to set it up and tear it down all the time I would not use my trainer. With my setup allows me to workout whenever I want vs adding time for the setup and tear down. I also use the Kickr Core, Headwind, and Climb….love it. I also use my first entry road bike as a trainer so I don’t have to take it off the trainer.
I use a Sole 700 spin bike with power meter pedals to ride indoors. Incredibly quiet and stable for all workouts or races. A small circular fan keeps me cool and there's no risk of damage to my bike on a trainer. Having gone through 2 Wahoo Kickrs because of noise issues I decided this was better, and cheaper.
I live in an apartment block in Germany, so having a very quiet setup is very important, you don't want to upset the neighbours in Germany because Germans just call the police if their neighbour is too loud. I went to the DIY shop and bought two rubber mats that would normally go under a washing machine. I have a turbo with fluid resistance which is very quiet, the brand is Kinetic and I really like it because it's so quiet and it's very cheap. However because the back wheel is just a inch and bit higher than the front I have a block of chipboard, it's just the end of a kitchen counter top that was spare, this raises my front wheel so my bike is level. I have a standard fan that is which stands about a meter high so I'm having a nice flow or air at my height (not from ground level like those two examples in this video). I use the HiFi to listen to some music, I haven't tried any video game or computer stuff like zwift, I know what intervals I want to do and I stick to the planned reps. The bike I use on the Turbo is secondhand road racing bike and cost me 200 euros, it has down tube shifters and is very old. The turbo is just over 200 euros, and I've forgotten how much the rubber mats were but not too much. So I'm turbo-ing on a budget and it's really good.
Thanks for doing all these videos on indoor cycling setups! I was able to figure out everything I needed. I'm a mountain biker in the summer and this will be my first winter as a Zwifter!
I have a permanent but low space setup. Wall mount TV hooked up to the computer, bike and trainer are set up next to the window. My TV (read, junk) stand holds my peripherals and mouse just in front of the handlebars since the wheel overlaps the stand. Trainer bike is my performance road bike, so it only gets to go out in dry weather and otherwise lives on the trainer. Behind the bike and over the rear wheel is a wide shelf (only maybe 6" from the saddle), where I store spare wheels and bike tools, etc. I.e. it is fit into a corner with enough room to comfortably pedal without feeling crowded. I don't have room for a kickr move, although I might be able to build a rocker plate into the space. Next upgrade is to build some sort of hanger from the bottom of the TV to hold my phone or a tablet, as I run Zwift on the computer, and use SYSTM for my actual workout on the phone.
my bike is permanently mounted to the kickr core during winters and residing on my balcony in upright position to safe some. When i want to ride i just unroll my mat that is standing in the corner of our living room, carry the whole thing in, lower the bike to the ground and attach all of the cables. Zwift is running on my laptop just below our living room tv where i'm watching interesting stuff while doing intervals :D
I have the luxury of a dedicated place in the cellar. The equipment is somewhere in the middle with a Elite Direto XR, a normal fan from the hardware store and a table I built myself.
I have a decent sized apartment but not a good space for a permanent setup. So, I keep the trainer base and power supply in a closet and a fan stays set out by the TV. When I want to set it up, I've marked off where the trainer feet will go, mouunt the bike, and place the fan in front. The fan is dedicated to indoor riding so it is already properly elevated. The fan is also total overkill. I've only used the lowest setting so for and it is plenty for even the hardest efforts. Connect my PC to the TV via HDMI, fire up Zwift, and off I go! If I'm faffing about, it takes about 10 minutes.
I realize that I'm very fortunate to have a dedicated room in my house where my bike is permanently set up on the trainer. I don't have two road bikes, but I do have a nice Cannondale Quick 4 hybrid that works very well on the trainer, so that's the bike I use indoors. That being said, it's easy for me to just go in and turn the tv and fan on, plug the trainer in, fire up Zwift and get on with it. If I had to go through an entire setup every time...setting up the trainer, setting up the fan, putting the bike on the trainer etc... I'm not sure I'd be training nearly as often. So kudos to those of you who have to go through all of that every time and still train regularly.
I have semi-permanent setup in our cold hall with my old road bike - it is still attached to trainer but I must put the matt on the floor, put tablet on the holder (maintenance stand) tak 2 towels, prepare fan... and in the end clean everything from sweat. For me going outside is much faster way of training. So I must do something wrong.
I was looking into an indoor setup and Matt's looks about right for me. I was leaning toward the Kikr Core as well so good to hear how it works for moving around reasonably simply. And what the heck happened to Manon's foot???? Hope you feel better soon.
Permanent. Gym mat on one side treadmill on the other, turbo in the middle, disco lights, cheap but big wall mounted tv with Apple TV for Zwift and book shelves covered in cycling stuff and water bottles etc. My happy place for sure 🎉Dog has a bed in there so she can stare devotedly (in my head) at me while I sweat haha
I've had pretty good luck with the "office conversion" setup. I leave my bike attached to the trainer during the work week so I just stash it along a wall. After work, I move my chair out of the way and move the trainer/bike into position, run up Rouvy on my computer and get to work. Takes about 5 mins to set it up and has been working great for 3+ years. Only problem is that the Tacx Neo2T is kinda heavy to move.
It also allows for a quick lunch session too, especially when you're just doing intervals for the day. Though I do need to clean the tires everytime I use it outdoors, wouldn't want dirt around my room / office lol.
I live in a small appartment and there is no room for a permanent setup. I need about 5 minutes to properly setup a yog mat, non-smart trainer (Elite Qubo fluid), usually in our corridor (if I workout in the morning), put a bike on, connect extension cord and my laptop and fan. The problem is taking everything apart when I am done. I am sweaty, tired, in need for fluids and carbs, training clothes and tower need to go out to dry (and not to smell indoors)... So that takes a bit longer.
I'm using an old Saris fluid trainer that's discontinued. It works with Rouvy with the Garmin speed sensor. Using a 55" TV for maximum immersion. And have music playing in the background.
Right now I only ride outside to commute, and keep the workouts inside so I've got a semi-permanent setup. Wheel-on trainer stays in its position, semi-out of the way in what I also use as my maintenance area, so just gotta swap the axel, lock it in, and go. Over winter I also need to swap wheels since I don't want to use my softer, knobly winter tires on the turbo, but the whole process is still under 3 minutes (not counting changing clothes).
My wife and I converted our den into a pain cave after getting into triathlon together. We have 2 smart trainers running off tablets, a smart TV for streaming a treadmill and free weights for our strength work.
I'm lucky, because when we moved to our new house my wife announced I could have what was the nursery as my pain cave. So I purchased the Wahoo Kickr, Climber and fan and set that up with my PlanetX ProCarbon. Used to take the PlanetX out regularly in the summer. But now have a new Look ,also sanctioned by my wife, the PlanetX stays permanently on the turbo trainer. One lucky chap here 👌🙂😉
Manon good day , no such thing as pain cave lol its pure love ,im lucky to have small basement, multi use . woodshop ,mc, gym and bike repair lol. 15 square feet. love the channel .would be nice to see something on bikes 1700 pound cost ,for the average fast going road cyclist .cheers from vancouver canada
Be interested to know in a poll whether people have a shelf nearby or not. Do you ride like you're actually out and about or need a place to stack up the tv controls, phone, apple tv and laptop within an arm's reach?
Precisely today the unique Illi Gardner published a video on her YT channel, of her indoors setup to compare with real life different platforms like Zwift, IndieVelo, Rouvy etc, and the results are quite surprising. Illi is the best and will ever be. Irl I use my static bike in the hardest gear to train. The weather has made it impossible for me to go out on my bike more than 3 or 4 days in the last month and a half
I don't have any indoor cycling setup apart from a fairly old gym style exercise bike with no ANT+, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi or direct connection available. I am considering getting the Zwift Hub One or the Wahoo Kickr Core though as it is getting rather frisky outdoors now, and I have a double garage with no cars in it and a 9'x9' insulated shed so plenty of options to set up a permanent indoor arrangement.
I'm a sweaty boy, I'm glad I'm lucky enough to have a pain cave in a nice cool/cold garage in winter. Even with 2 large fans I'm still drenched by the end of a hard ride!
Hank's shed pain-cave setup, looks like it could easily be converted into a sauna. Maybe a different dynamic of sweating it out on your indoor trainer. Train for the summer heat, at the same time.
I did try the in door set up. I have space etc. But, I didn't really use it. I'd much rather do a loop. I'm not too fussed about weather and it's about the same level of hassle to do. Time you kit up and get on the bike, you may as well just go for a ride really.. Also. Much cheaper. I do have the good old winter bike. Still much cheaper!
Ouch, Manon - hate to see the boot. Praying for a speedy recovery. I have a permanent cave at one end of my large basement. I use a Kickr - don't plan to upgrade to the Move or get a Climb. I have a 65" TV on front of the bike to give a bit of virtual reality feel to the program. I have a big, commercial style for fan that I control through an Amazon Echo. I also have a Steerzo device under the front wheel which is kind of cool in Zwift, but I prefer Rouvy and they don't support the Steerzo (yet?).
a lot of training apps will also have a companion app for the phone - such as Rouvy and zwift, so as long as your phone is nearby you can control your ride.
Lucky to have a dedicated space for a 2nd hand wattbike and treadmill. Also my home office. Previously I had a dumb trainer in the kitchen. Worked fine for me but not popular with others in the house 😂
Question for Alan ;) By the time you pay for the Kickr Move, climb, climb adapter ... did you ever consider just getting a kickr bike? If so, why did you go the climb+move route?
I think our house set-up is similar to many comments, trainers w/ bikes on them, large TV, we use Apple TV for zwift capable, Little stand and a fan. Funny thing is, although this is awesome and I'm totally fortunate. When I zwift with friends in other locations I tend to use my cell phone and plug bluetooth earbuds in through a chat room on WI-FI. Nobody cares about graphics of riding when your chatting about upcoming holidays, the kids in school, or whatever the Dad's topic of the ride is. Not too much in good weather, but it's nice to connect with friends in less favorable weather and virtual riding provides a platform to accomplish regular check-ins and voice to voice suffer sharing. No facetime though, those guys put the ugly face on when their climbing hard. =)
The permanent term suggests always there, so don’t see how time taken to collapse it all is a downside 😂 Serious question for everyone though, why do most dedicated indoor training enthusiasts prefer the bike on setup to a specific bike like the Wahoo Kickr bikes or Tacx Neobike? Is it purely down to ride fit and wanting to mirror IrL? Love you GCN and RIP GCN+ ❤
Dedicated cellar room, white floor tiles, white plastered walls, Spots in the ceiling, Tacx Neo, Motion plates, with a 180 inch Epson Projector, gaming PC. Beat that.
Manon's wearing a boot. Looks like she's been kicking some butts getting more out of the GCN Team. My pain cave is in my garage where I have a permanent set up, 2 fans, my lap top, blue tooth speaker, rolling cooler with cold waters, snacks and if I need anything else I can always yell for my daughter to bring me anything extra. Plus she's great at yelling at me to go faster!
How does Matt make sure his ERG works properly? When I move my trainer or put a different bike in it needs to be re-calibrated. Before that, I need to warm it up for 10+ minutes. He mentions only training for an hour. Would be sad to loose 25% of that every time.
My wife "persuaded" me to move my set up from the living room (in front of a giant 4K TV) to our attic conversion last week - there is a TV for video game the kids use up there - for us then to discover the TV had had a "Wii" accident and the TV was F*%§ed (handset strike to the screen). Trainer and old road bike are back in-front of the living room tele now...
Great set-ups and thank you for sharing. What do you do with disk brakes when riding on an indoor trainer? Do you need a bleed block just in case you squeeze your brakes when riding or shifting your gears?
my bicycle is stored next to my bed - where else should it be ? - my Wahoo KICKR with FulGaz sits in the middle of the main room where I constantly stumble over it and stub my toes - OUCH - how else should it be ? - up and riding indoors in about 7-10 minutes - have easily DOUBLED and extended my riding season totals for KM and M since purchased - expensive upfront cost but has paid for itself multiple times over - STILL ride outdoors but now avoid the torrential downpours and freezing temperatures and WRH - WINTER Rides of HELL frozen toes and hands - black ice and Michelin Man layers of BULK gear
What’s your indoor cycling setup? 🏠🚴
My indoor setup is very simple, a pair of cycling rollers, a Garmin head unit with a cadence sensor, a speed sensor , an HRM, and my phone with GCN training videos. My pain cave is also my kitchen.
Indoor setup is the basement with a full gym two kickr bikes and treadmill and elliptical. My wife says im spoiled 🤪 😅 I enjoy training.
Either Newport velodrome or Lee Valley 🙂!
I'm improving my indoor setup by moving it to the garage from inside the house. When it's cold outside, it's much cooler in the garage than in the house, so it's not quite the sweat box as riding inside the house. It's only marginally faster to get ready to ride the turbo than to ride outdoors. I use a wheel-on trainer, mostly with a single bike that I bought specifically as a winter/turbo bike. One thing I don't get is why people bother to don a skin-tight jersey and aero socks to ride inside.
My gym is just around the corner so I use one of those spinning cycles which I can connect to my heart-belt. I just do not have the right space at home as I do not want to create a dampy atmosphere in our flat. The spinning bike is also easier to clean, the gym has A/C and drinks are for free. For distraction I use my tablet with Sky and Amazon prime video.
My pain cave is top of the line: an automatic fan that blows harder the faster you go, varied photorealistic 3d graphics, surround sound, seasonal temperature variations, the whole nine yards. The only problem is that this setup is so big that I have to keep it outdoors.
comes with cars and NPCs acting like civilians too
@@sibike1 yeah, they spared no expense. There are even achievements you can unlock, such as Pee on the Bushes, Flat Tire During a Snowfall, Broken Collarbone, etc. A truly immersive experience.
Hahaha outside inside training... sounds good to us 😂
@@sibike1 I installed the Latest DLC it's called "Gravel" it eliminates cars for most of each level, but sometimes replaces them with irresponsible dog owners and runners with headphones who are only programed to look behind them once and hour.
I have similar !! Mine simulates potholes and road kill, car doors fly open in front of me and I use the interactive bars to swerve around them , and car pass by to help with cooling .
Alex's bike collection at 9:31, and Matt's simple wall hanger at 2:26.
It would be interesting for GCN to do a video on bike storage solutions for small spaces.
Da Hänger wall mounts are great. Between my wife and me there are 6 bikes in a small 2 story townhouse. Bikes are on the walls as part of the decoration but also very accessible to get down and go out the door. Since they are pretty much flush against the wall they don't encroach on living space much.
Wish you a speedy recovery, Mannon.
Agreed. Now with the boot, though, her right ankle might be as big as Si's. . .
Yeah I hope she's alright. 😲
She'll back smashing us in sprints in no time 💨
wishing Manon a quick recovery from what looks like a foot or ankle injury, hopefully not too bad of one!
This would be a great regular thing… tours of epic pain caves. Haha like MTV cribs
Check out Garage Gyms on YT, some great ideas and tours! Also I'm convinced people who put their pain caves on social media then get broken in to ... 😐
Hahahaha we'll see what we can do 👀
@@gcnalso a video on maintaining indoor trainers
Got a permanent set up in my kitchen with one of my two pride and joys. The kitchen is also the place I sit when working from home so I glance over at my bike throughout the day and just wait until the working day is over and the fun can begin!
Honestly, if I knew how much I would use my trainer before I bought it, I would have spent a little more to get a dedicated smart bike. No chain to mess with or extra wear on your road bike!
Yeah me too. Especially after my wife saw how much fun I had, she wanted in on the action too, now we have to change bikes on the trainer which is a pain, luckily we have the same groupset, but still it's a hassle. A smart bike would take 5 secs, adjust the stem, seatpost and off you go... Maybe I'll get one for next winter season
I’ve got my road bike and second-hand Wahoo Kickr set up in the corner of my home office with a TV to run Zwift and a spot for my phone to run SYSTM (I like SYSTM’s workouts better but enjoy the video game aspect of Zwift). It’ll stay up during the winter; if I get outside, it’ll be on the gravel bike. I’m thankful I have the economic privilege to have the options.
having a second road bike, a nice luxury really helps make a perm setup. Been using the kickr snap for years, will be investing in the kicker core soon, time to setup!
Having a spare bike is a luxury, the snap is a great option if you're having to remove your bike more often 🙌
I have several 'Second road bikes'. Old bikes from the 1980s. Scrappy and I don't mind them getting filthy. Full mudguards.
If I really have to stay in, I fit a Turbo Tyre.
The cheapest decathlon road bike as a spare bike is not a needless luxury, when you compare it against the damage indoor training can do to your main bike.
The real luxury however isn’t the cost of a second bike; it’s the space to leave it there. I’m thankful to have an entire spare room for my pain cave where I park my weights and stuff as well. Helps too when the wife is into fitness as well and understands my requirements.
How much does the kicker snap or kicker core cost?
@@loribaerne9445 Snap is around 350 and Core 600 American
Noticed that Manon’s right foot/ankle is in a cast ❤️🩹 - hope your injury was not serious and wishing you a speedy recovery!
Looking to set up my permanent pain cave. Retrofitting my dad's Eurobike onto my KICKR since he uses one of my bikes
Awesome! Permanent caves are great 👌
You have your dad your bike, and got a Eurobike in return? 😮
Dedicated bike on a Wahoo Kickr and Climb it was expensive, but encourages me to put in time during bad weather and makes winter riding possible during the copious lake effect snow we receive in west Michigan
Dear Mannon. You must change your garage door or risk losing all your bikes and kit! That old up and over door can be broken into fairly silently under a minute with just a crow bar and bare hands to fold back a corner, cut the cable and its open. Get GCN to pay for a roller door. Great vid... sorry for my somber observation and wishing you a speedy recovery.
My man cave doubles as the pain cave- permanent bike on Saris MP1 Infinity platform next to the couch at 45 degrees- I then pull the 55" TV opposite the couch away from the wall on a big swivel arm and square it to the bike about 4ft away, remote controlled vacmaster 54 pointed at me, windows either end opened, tunes on and off into Watopia I go in the dark.... sorted.... 2 mins to put it back to a man cave!
Wow that is well prepared! 👀
Permanent set up. SL3 Roubaix Expert mounted on a Wahoo. Wahoo hooks to my desktop computer via Bluetooth. HDMI cable to a 42” monitor hooked up to my desktop. Turbo fan in front of the bike. Just upgraded my wahoo with a click v2.
We have a double indoor setup crammed into our spare bedroom. We have to pull everything out when we have guests, but it works
12:20 Alex: "Now Manon's gone, I can slow down". LOL, okay so even slower than 40W?
Being a singleton in a small apartment I have a hybrid set up. One bike is permanently set up on the Neo 2T on a mat which lives tucked neatly by the clugged bikes and then slide out for trainer time. An Amazon bought telescopic stand, for the laptop, comes out from under the couch along with the fan then everything's plugged in ready to ride. It's set up 4 feet from the open balcony door for extra cooling and the suffering begins. Talking of suffering, I hope Manon's leg injury heals quickly. At first glance I thought she was wearing riding boots and jodhpurs like a good country lass.
Sliding the mat when the bike is in the way is the way to go. The trick is not to clean the floor too often 😄
Sliding the mat when the bike is in the way is the way to go. The trick is not to clean the floor too often 😄
Waxed chains in lieu of wet lubes is definately a plus when the bike has to be in living spaces for indoor training-no worries about greasy stains getting on carpet or clothing.
Wax is so much easier to clean than grease.
Permanent, in the garage. Old bike on a ZWIFT trainer, cheap big screen, large gorilla mat to include a selection of kettlebells. Elevation is 8000' or 2468.88m for you met-heads. The altitude adds a whole different dimension to trying to keep up with flatlanders on the "Road to the Sky" climb!
Being Canadian, winter riding is really not for me. I have a Wahoo Kickr in a permanent set-up using a dedicated iPad Pro on a Wahoo stand and a retired MTB for my rides. Works great. Just kit up and away I go. I have a a pain cave/office so no issues at all. I like the luxury of not having to set things up.
I use a nice VanRysel aluminum road bike as a permanent setup. Using a Chinese Magene turbo trainer. I use an ironing board for my iPads one for Zwift the other for entertainment. I have a fan (which needs more power) the whole set up is in my bedroom, luckily my wife is cool with that
My wife and I have a pain corner in our bedroom. Last summer I found a Stages smart bike for sale for a ridiculously good price. Being smaller than a bike on a trainer it fits the corner well. An older unused iMac serves as the dedicated Zwift computer and a Vortec fan keeps us cool. Smart bike easily adjusts between us and we freed up two older bikes for townie use and sold two trainers to significantly defray the smart bike cost and free up basement space.
When we moved into our house 12 years ago we decided we wouldn't use the garage for cars, but rather for storage and a gym. Since then I've added a permanent indoor training setup which has been enhanced over the last 6 years but now comprises Tacx Neo (OG), dedicated trainer bike, 50" LCD, high velocity floor fan and state-of-the-art Intel NUC running 4 different cycling apps. The only downside is that it's draughty (which means it gets a bit dirty) and freezing in Winter and can be a bit warm in Summer. Covers keep the electronics clean but I can be up and cycling in a couple of minutes. The only change I'd make is move it all indoors with A/C!
I have been using my Elite Nero interactive rollers for about 2.5 years now. Absolutely love them. Just unfold and pop the bike on. No need to remove anything from the bike and hop on and ride. I have it linked up to rouvy that projects onto the wall in front of me. Also I don't use the power from the rollers as it is pretty far off (like 15 to 20% more power than my crank based metre). Having only 1 bike this is most convenient setup for me. Also I believe less stress on your frame than it being locked in when you are out of the saddle sprinting. Oh only drawback is they are noisy compared to direct drive.
The problem with rollers is you have to use special tires to set up the bike. It thus requires different tires for the rollers and the road.
My permanent setup is a Kickr Bike, Saris rocker plate, 43 inch screen and 2 fans and I also have a 7.2kg Carbon Road Bike and all that cost less than Alex's bike. No way I would put that bike on an indoor trainer.
A permanent setup is a way to go if you have the space. If I had to set it up and tear it down all the time I would not use my trainer. With my setup allows me to workout whenever I want vs adding time for the setup and tear down. I also use the Kickr Core, Headwind, and Climb….love it. I also use my first entry road bike as a trainer so I don’t have to take it off the trainer.
I use a Sole 700 spin bike with power meter pedals to ride indoors. Incredibly quiet and stable for all workouts or races. A small circular fan keeps me cool and there's no risk of damage to my bike on a trainer. Having gone through 2 Wahoo Kickrs because of noise issues I decided this was better, and cheaper.
I live in an apartment block in Germany, so having a very quiet setup is very important, you don't want to upset the neighbours in Germany because Germans just call the police if their neighbour is too loud.
I went to the DIY shop and bought two rubber mats that would normally go under a washing machine. I have a turbo with fluid resistance which is very quiet, the brand is Kinetic and I really like it because it's so quiet and it's very cheap.
However because the back wheel is just a inch and bit higher than the front I have a block of chipboard, it's just the end of a kitchen counter top that was spare, this raises my front wheel so my bike is level.
I have a standard fan that is which stands about a meter high so I'm having a nice flow or air at my height (not from ground level like those two examples in this video).
I use the HiFi to listen to some music, I haven't tried any video game or computer stuff like zwift, I know what intervals I want to do and I stick to the planned reps.
The bike I use on the Turbo is secondhand road racing bike and cost me 200 euros, it has down tube shifters and is very old. The turbo is just over 200 euros, and I've forgotten how much the rubber mats were but not too much. So I'm turbo-ing on a budget and it's really good.
Thanks for doing all these videos on indoor cycling setups! I was able to figure out everything I needed. I'm a mountain biker in the summer and this will be my first winter as a Zwifter!
I have a permanent but low space setup.
Wall mount TV hooked up to the computer, bike and trainer are set up next to the window. My TV (read, junk) stand holds my peripherals and mouse just in front of the handlebars since the wheel overlaps the stand. Trainer bike is my performance road bike, so it only gets to go out in dry weather and otherwise lives on the trainer. Behind the bike and over the rear wheel is a wide shelf (only maybe 6" from the saddle), where I store spare wheels and bike tools, etc.
I.e. it is fit into a corner with enough room to comfortably pedal without feeling crowded. I don't have room for a kickr move, although I might be able to build a rocker plate into the space.
Next upgrade is to build some sort of hanger from the bottom of the TV to hold my phone or a tablet, as I run Zwift on the computer, and use SYSTM for my actual workout on the phone.
Permanent. I have my bike on a wobble plate and the kickr v5. Surprised not a lot of people mention wobble plates here
What's the story with Mannon's boot?
i think she injured it
@@outtrigger I feel like you need to be praised more often, you have an amazing gift, pointing out the obvious.
Rumour has it she's been ... running! 👀
ssssshhhh @@gcn
@@CrackUpBoomit apparently wasn't obvious enough😂
my bike is permanently mounted to the kickr core during winters and residing on my balcony in upright position to safe some. When i want to ride i just unroll my mat that is standing in the corner of our living room, carry the whole thing in, lower the bike to the ground and attach all of the cables. Zwift is running on my laptop just below our living room tv where i'm watching interesting stuff while doing intervals :D
When you work full time etc and life stuff an indoor setup is perfect
I have the luxury of a dedicated place in the cellar. The equipment is somewhere in the middle with a Elite Direto XR, a normal fan from the hardware store and a table I built myself.
I have a decent sized apartment but not a good space for a permanent setup. So, I keep the trainer base and power supply in a closet and a fan stays set out by the TV. When I want to set it up, I've marked off where the trainer feet will go, mouunt the bike, and place the fan in front. The fan is dedicated to indoor riding so it is already properly elevated. The fan is also total overkill. I've only used the lowest setting so for and it is plenty for even the hardest efforts. Connect my PC to the TV via HDMI, fire up Zwift, and off I go! If I'm faffing about, it takes about 10 minutes.
I realize that I'm very fortunate to have a dedicated room in my house where my bike is permanently set up on the trainer. I don't have two road bikes, but I do have a nice Cannondale Quick 4 hybrid that works very well on the trainer, so that's the bike I use indoors. That being said, it's easy for me to just go in and turn the tv and fan on, plug the trainer in, fire up Zwift and get on with it. If I had to go through an entire setup every time...setting up the trainer, setting up the fan, putting the bike on the trainer etc... I'm not sure I'd be training nearly as often. So kudos to those of you who have to go through all of that every time and still train regularly.
I have semi-permanent setup in our cold hall with my old road bike - it is still attached to trainer but I must put the matt on the floor, put tablet on the holder (maintenance stand) tak 2 towels, prepare fan... and in the end clean everything from sweat.
For me going outside is much faster way of training.
So I must do something wrong.
Elite Directo XR + Elite Rizer + Tacx mat + 27 PC monitor + my old ultegra bike permanent setup.
I was looking into an indoor setup and Matt's looks about right for me. I was leaning toward the Kikr Core as well so good to hear how it works for moving around reasonably simply. And what the heck happened to Manon's foot???? Hope you feel better soon.
Permanent. Gym mat on one side treadmill on the other, turbo in the middle, disco lights, cheap but big wall mounted tv with Apple TV for Zwift and book shelves covered in cycling stuff and water bottles etc. My happy place for sure 🎉Dog has a bed in there so she can stare devotedly (in my head) at me while I sweat haha
I've had pretty good luck with the "office conversion" setup. I leave my bike attached to the trainer during the work week so I just stash it along a wall. After work, I move my chair out of the way and move the trainer/bike into position, run up Rouvy on my computer and get to work. Takes about 5 mins to set it up and has been working great for 3+ years. Only problem is that the Tacx Neo2T is kinda heavy to move.
It also allows for a quick lunch session too, especially when you're just doing intervals for the day. Though I do need to clean the tires everytime I use it outdoors, wouldn't want dirt around my room / office lol.
@@ryoukokonpaku1575 LOL! Yeah, I clean the bike after my Sunday outdoor ride to get it ready for the upcoming week of riding on the trainer.
I live in a small appartment and there is no room for a permanent setup. I need about 5 minutes to properly setup a yog mat, non-smart trainer (Elite Qubo fluid), usually in our corridor (if I workout in the morning), put a bike on, connect extension cord and my laptop and fan. The problem is taking everything apart when I am done. I am sweaty, tired, in need for fluids and carbs, training clothes and tower need to go out to dry (and not to smell indoors)... So that takes a bit longer.
I have a permanent set up in my office , using my old cheap bike. Very efficient and cost effective
I'm using an old Saris fluid trainer that's discontinued.
It works with Rouvy with the Garmin speed sensor.
Using a 55" TV for maximum immersion. And have music playing in the background.
Right now I only ride outside to commute, and keep the workouts inside so I've got a semi-permanent setup. Wheel-on trainer stays in its position, semi-out of the way in what I also use as my maintenance area, so just gotta swap the axel, lock it in, and go.
Over winter I also need to swap wheels since I don't want to use my softer, knobly winter tires on the turbo, but the whole process is still under 3 minutes (not counting changing clothes).
My wife and I converted our den into a pain cave after getting into triathlon together. We have 2 smart trainers running off tablets, a smart TV for streaming a treadmill and free weights for our strength work.
I'm lucky, because when we moved to our new house my wife announced I could have what was the nursery as my pain cave. So I purchased the Wahoo Kickr, Climber and fan and set that up with my PlanetX ProCarbon. Used to take the PlanetX out regularly in the summer. But now have a new Look ,also sanctioned by my wife, the PlanetX stays permanently on the turbo trainer. One lucky chap here 👌🙂😉
Definitely a keeper
Manon good day , no such thing as pain cave lol its pure love ,im lucky to have small basement, multi use . woodshop ,mc, gym and bike repair lol. 15 square feet. love the channel .would be nice to see something on bikes 1700 pound cost ,for the average fast going road cyclist .cheers from vancouver canada
Be interested to know in a poll whether people have a shelf nearby or not. Do you ride like you're actually out and about or need a place to stack up the tv controls, phone, apple tv and laptop within an arm's reach?
Precisely today the unique Illi Gardner published a video on her YT channel, of her indoors setup to compare with real life different platforms like Zwift, IndieVelo, Rouvy etc, and the results are quite surprising. Illi is the best and will ever be.
Irl I use my static bike in the hardest gear to train. The weather has made it impossible for me to go out on my bike more than 3 or 4 days in the last month and a half
I don't have any indoor cycling setup apart from a fairly old gym style exercise bike with no ANT+, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi or direct connection available. I am considering getting the Zwift Hub One or the Wahoo Kickr Core though as it is getting rather frisky outdoors now, and I have a double garage with no cars in it and a 9'x9' insulated shed so plenty of options to set up a permanent indoor arrangement.
Matt needs to have a bike fit I reckon. He looks like he has a big knee angle when his foot is at the bottom of the pedal stroke.
I'm a sweaty boy, I'm glad I'm lucky enough to have a pain cave in a nice cool/cold garage in winter. Even with 2 large fans I'm still drenched by the end of a hard ride!
Hank's shed pain-cave setup, looks like it could easily be converted into a sauna. Maybe a different dynamic of sweating it out on your indoor trainer. Train for the summer heat, at the same time.
I did try the in door set up. I have space etc. But, I didn't really use it. I'd much rather do a loop. I'm not too fussed about weather and it's about the same level of hassle to do. Time you kit up and get on the bike, you may as well just go for a ride really..
Also. Much cheaper. I do have the good old winter bike. Still much cheaper!
Ouch, Manon - hate to see the boot. Praying for a speedy recovery. I have a permanent cave at one end of my large basement. I use a Kickr - don't plan to upgrade to the Move or get a Climb. I have a 65" TV on front of the bike to give a bit of virtual reality feel to the program. I have a big, commercial style for fan that I control through an Amazon Echo. I also have a Steerzo device under the front wheel which is kind of cool in Zwift, but I prefer Rouvy and they don't support the Steerzo (yet?).
Loved seeing and hearing the setups on the videos and the chats!
Question for Matt and Alex - Looks like the computer is quite far off to reach - How do you control your training app?
a lot of training apps will also have a companion app for the phone - such as Rouvy and zwift, so as long as your phone is nearby you can control your ride.
Great video ! What type of hangers/storage does Alex use to hang up all his bike in his garage taking up as little space as possible?
Get well soon Manon, I’m recovering from lower leg injury as well.
Lucky to have a dedicated space for a 2nd hand wattbike and treadmill. Also my home office.
Previously I had a dumb trainer in the kitchen. Worked fine for me but not popular with others in the house 😂
Question for Alan ;)
By the time you pay for the Kickr Move, climb, climb adapter ... did you ever consider just getting a kickr bike? If so, why did you go the climb+move route?
What about the simpler, cheaper stuff?
I think our house set-up is similar to many comments, trainers w/ bikes on them, large TV, we use Apple TV for zwift capable, Little stand and a fan. Funny thing is, although this is awesome and I'm totally fortunate. When I zwift with friends in other locations I tend to use my cell phone and plug bluetooth earbuds in through a chat room on WI-FI. Nobody cares about graphics of riding when your chatting about upcoming holidays, the kids in school, or whatever the Dad's topic of the ride is. Not too much in good weather, but it's nice to connect with friends in less favorable weather and virtual riding provides a platform to accomplish regular check-ins and voice to voice suffer sharing. No facetime though, those guys put the ugly face on when their climbing hard. =)
I saw a grvl 120 of Decathlon in the pain cave of Alex. Nice to see a budget bike. Can he do a review please?
The permanent term suggests always there, so don’t see how time taken to collapse it all is a downside 😂 Serious question for everyone though, why do most dedicated indoor training enthusiasts prefer the bike on setup to a specific bike like the Wahoo Kickr bikes or Tacx Neobike? Is it purely down to ride fit and wanting to mirror IrL? Love you GCN and RIP GCN+ ❤
Dedicated cellar room, white floor tiles, white plastered walls, Spots in the ceiling, Tacx Neo, Motion plates, with a 180 inch Epson Projector, gaming PC. Beat that.
Nice boot Manon! Hope you were having fun when it happened. Speedy recovery.
Wish a speedy recovery for Manon
What bike rack is that being used in the everyday setup? The two wooden pegs...
£300 spin bike with £175 tablet for Zwift. Enjoying entry level indoor cycling 😊
Ok. What’s the scoop with the gammy leg?
Hope you have a quick recovery Manon
Did I miss something happening to Manon's leg? Hope she's ok!
She posted on IG she made the mistake of (shudder!) running.
@@Greeniykyk ah, no one but herself to blame, she should know better!
manon got the white pants on, you know it's a serious video
Manon's wearing a boot. Looks like she's been kicking some butts getting more out of the GCN Team. My pain cave is in my garage where I have a permanent set up, 2 fans, my lap top, blue tooth speaker, rolling cooler with cold waters, snacks and if I need anything else I can always yell for my daughter to bring me anything extra. Plus she's great at yelling at me to go faster!
I prefer balance rollers as mtbiker is better ... it is nearest to ride outsite and spend both wheels and not just back tire and keep front stopped !
How does Matt make sure his ERG works properly? When I move my trainer or put a different bike in it needs to be re-calibrated. Before that, I need to warm it up for 10+ minutes. He mentions only training for an hour. Would be sad to loose 25% of that every time.
For someone who is living in a 25m2 studio, I can tell you this setup looks incredibly luxurious 😅
Yo Matt. Quality buddy.
“I don’t know if he is home “. And he shows up mic’ed up. Hahaha
what a coincidence 😉
bants!
@@manon-lloydtop bants
My wife "persuaded" me to move my set up from the living room (in front of a giant 4K TV) to our attic conversion last week - there is a TV for video game the kids use up there - for us then to discover the TV had had a "Wii" accident and the TV was F*%§ed (handset strike to the screen). Trainer and old road bike are back in-front of the living room tele now...
Do garages in the UK have heating? In Germany most of them don't and I wouldn't want to climb on a 'trainer' in (the current) sub-zero conditions...
Great set-ups and thank you for sharing. What do you do with disk brakes when riding on an indoor trainer? Do you need a bleed block just in case you squeeze your brakes when riding or shifting your gears?
Just shove in a block
I saw you have a Cipolini bike inyour garage!!! Cool, don't see too mnay of those in the US and what happ[ened to you Right Foot??
Try the new Giordano(kent) bikes.
trigger shifters steel frame shimano tourney for $200.
my bicycle is stored next to my bed - where else should it be ? - my Wahoo KICKR with FulGaz sits in the middle of the main room where I constantly stumble over it and stub my toes - OUCH - how else should it be ? - up and riding indoors in about 7-10 minutes - have easily DOUBLED and extended my riding season totals for KM and M since purchased - expensive upfront cost but has paid for itself multiple times over - STILL ride outdoors but now avoid the torrential downpours and freezing temperatures and WRH - WINTER Rides of HELL frozen toes and hands - black ice and Michelin Man layers of BULK gear
Get well soon Manon
all my indoor setup is in my saloon and stationary setup i don't move the bike ^^
I have a gym with a weight machine & a stationary bike.
Are you sure Welsh? Not liking riding in the wet and cold!
Love you mannon❤
Im amazed they all only has one fan! I have two front and two back and on a climb i still feel hot 😂
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82 cm saddle height? What’s your inseam length?
yes
Yep i do the same as Matt..