Been holding out on an upgrade for nearly SEVEN YEARS, but I think this is the one for me :) Your incredibly comprehensive testing and explanations have taught me so much since I found your channel and since I think this game will be setting benchmark standards for years to come I want my next build to absolutely demolish it (I've been playing 10-20fps average since 2019, only recently getting above 30 with new updates). Your testing has essentially assembled a parts list for me, thank you!
Thank you for taking the time to run a 4K test! It gives me something to compare… I need to go back to Loreville and run a test on my system. I’m not sure a 7800X3D will do much better than my 7900X at 4K.
I did an upgrade from an I7, DDR4 and 3rd gen m. 2 system to the 7800x3D and ddr5 with gen 4 SSD's and haven't looked back. Cracking system that made SC feel like it had a performance update patch.
Great video. I upgrade my am4 build from a 3600 to the 5800x3d last year. I plan on using it for another 1 to 2 years. I will grab the 9800x3d. I like the second generation chip. So much polish.
The best time to upgrade is always tomorrow. Technology always gets better and today's prices decrease, the only exception was when we had the convergence of covid plus Bitcoin mining. So upgrading is a matter of personal finances versus personal requirements for their entertainment set up
@@RecklessFables In retrospect, upgrading to i5-6600K right after it came out in August 2015 + an expensive Z170 was an awful move on my part. It has aged horribly. Even Battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5 stutter on medium / high.
Appreciate all the work you put into this - I've been enjoying the 7950x3D / 4090 combo (was time for an upgrade and I drive a crappy car 😂) - Lorville defo tanks my FPS once you get into flying around it, however it looks glorious and with Vulkan coming I'm very interested to see how this improves. Also I read HDR may well be in with 3.20, which is welcomed!
running an intel i9-13900ks with 7200mhz memory overclocked to 7800mhz on a 4090 (while still being cpu-bound and having 30% performance left, meaning a 4070 or 3080 would be enough already) gives you even more fps, especially stable fps. AMDs x3d chips excell at LOW LOAD, this is why you get massive fps in space where there is nothing to load. if you go into a big space battle or into a city where there is high load , x3d performs way worse and the big L3 cache doesnt matter anymore cause it gets overflown anyway, so the CPU gives load to the RAM but AMD ram is capped at 6 or 6400mhz max atm, while intel can go up to 8400 as far as i have seen a motherboard do. believe it or not but even from 7800 to 8400 you get almost 10fps more. from a stock 7800x3d with max 6/6400mhz to a tuned 13900ks with 7200mhz base ram OCd to 7800 there is like over 30 fps difference that the 7800x3d cand keep up with. also if you look at the cpu ticks x3d have microstutters all over the place while the even tuned 13900 runs much more stable, meaning less 1% low fps dips in games, which is the most common part about star citizen, lorville etc. obviously the 13900ks consumes over double the power with that and is probably 30degrees hotter, so you also probably should undervolt it
Thanks, about to get son's old 6850k based computer updated - and thinking my 5800x3d would be perfect for him, with the 7800x3d for me. I'm still hamstrung by a 3070, but a 4090 can come later. Happy to see 7800x3d performing so solidly, thanks.
Would love to see how the 7900x stacks up. This video gave me some idea on how important 3d vcache is for SC, but I'd like to see the comparison between the 7900x and the 7800x3d, as they are direct price competitors at the moment.
In theory the 7900x should perform pretty closely to the 7700X- the extra cores wont help in SC, but the clock speed will a little bit. But the 7900X is 2 6 core chiplets put together- which can sometimes lose performance vs 1 8core chiplet (that the 7700x has).
I just ordered my 7800X3d and then this video drops. I also got the 7900XT to take advantage of the PCIE 5 technology. 64GB of DDR5 at 6kMHZ. I am hoping the AM5 is now stable, but I went with the Gigabyte board, for it seems to be more consistent. I am planning to beef up my old system for my son in the Christmas.
I upgraded to a 5800x3d from a dying 3600 (memory controller needed extra voltage to not crash) for 280 dollars paired with my 6950xt for 580 dollars and at 1440p star citizen plays at 60fps stable, 4k is a bit much but compared to my last gpu (6700xt) this is loads better. May upgrade to am5 in the future if motherboards and ddr5 get cheap enough though. I wouldn't mind a 7800x3d build in the future for under 600-700 dollars.
Good video, just a heads up, at least for me, your videos seem a bit dark, especially the game footage and you talking to camera, which could also use some more contrast.
thanks for the info you are a star for doing this. looking at the way AM5 has started I wished i had waited a little more but I had waited a year and half LOL I may look at the 8800x3d when it comes either end of the year or start of next all wait like my plan for a chip socket change and then get the last X3d chip and just live with that but I may change earlier.
No problem! There is never a perfect time to buy unfortunately! It's going to be very interesting to see how am5 progresses- 8000 and 9000 chips should bring some improvements!
I just purchased a 5600X3D system with a Radeon 6500 XT card at Microcenter for $850. I'm getting 60-80fps on stations and 60-120 fps in space. It is fantastic for the price. I am jealous because that is the gaming rig for my family. I'm using a Lenovo Legion gaming laptop with a 3060. :(
Thank you very much for your in depth review! I'll be returning to SC and your channel is the only one that has been helpful with getting a system build. I'm going to be returning my 5600x 3d for a 7700 or 7600 and just switch that system over so don't have to worry about the V Cache being used. I'll probably upgrade to the 9800x 3d whenever they come out with that chip lol. I just figured it would be smarter to start on a system that's not at end of life. I just feel overall that games are going to be using the cpu more so it would be a good idea to get the best cpu I can since I'm building my system from scratch. I was wondering do you have a list of AMD cards that you have tested? I was looking into just getting a rx 6800 as they can be had for pretty cheap until the next generation of cards come out.
Of the top end cards I've only tested the 7900XTX (which matches the 4080). With GPU's you generally can look at big tech youtubers reviews of them and get a rough idea of how it would perform in SC. From a quick google it look like the 3080 and 6800 perform similarly- and the 3080 is plenty for 1440p in SC right now!
I suspect the lesser effect of V-cache in some areas comes from the implementation of Gen 12 renderer features in the current live build. CIG also made the game run better on Intel hybrid architectures. I no longer need to turn off E-cores or use Process Lasso on my Intel CPU. It will be interesting to see how those chips behave once Vulkan is fully implemented. I hope they'll also bring ray tracing with it.
You could argue that the 4090 is actually a better deal than the 4080 for the performance it gives (but obviously a lot more money). I would say that the 4080 is just about a 4k60fps card in Star Citizen- if you're not playing a 4K then I don't think you need either!
The fucking amazing thing is that the 7800x3d ( even with all powerdraw-settings set @suckasmutchasyouwant ) draws under no circumstances over 80 watts
It's interesting to me that my 3900x with PBO opened up can do 40-60 in Orison. A 5800x3d should be a sizable upgrade before I build a new DDR5 system.
late to this great video. just want to seek your opinion, is it worth to change from 5800x to 5700/5800x3d? having a 4070ti with 64gb ddr4 3200, running 4k with balance dlss. experience low fps at city/crowded places thinking of getting x3d but not change platform. thanks
This should give you a rough idea of what to expect if you upgrade to one of the x3d cpu's: th-cam.com/video/2xrIAwPV8B4/w-d-xo.html The 5600x would be a little bit slower than the 5800x you have, but pretty close.
Hello again!:) I’ve looked around and I am quite sure imma get the 7 5800x3d but, I’ve also found the i9 12900k… which one is going to be better for stat Citizen? (It paired with an 4070)
The 12900k should perform around the same as the 13700kf (possibly a little better). So I imagine there will be some areas of the game where the 5800x3d wins and some where it loses. Both are at the end of the line in terms of upgrades though so if its a new system I'd still be tempted to stretch out to one of the am5 cpus if you can!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Mhm, if I instead go with the i7 13700k, how will that perform compared with the other 2 mentioned? (Still with the 4070, and also, will there be any bottleneck?)
The cpu is pretty much going to always be the bottleneck in Star Citizen (unless you're playing at 4k). The 13700k will perform like the 13700kf in the video!
Tricky one to answer! The people who built a pc back in 2012 for the game will have upgraded multiple times since then. But if you're actually playing the game right now then I guess now is a good time to buy. When SQ42 releases we'll have something substantial to play, so that might be a good time to buy. The good news about all of the current hardware is that it should perform pretty well into the future, so now is not a bad time to invest.
Hello brother! Great video as always, I want to build new PC after 10 years of service :) So my aim is to play video games at 2k resolution, 144hz ultra settings with raytracing on or off depending on the game optimisation. I also plan to use unreal engine 5 as a hobby. What do you suggest in this particular case regarding cpu/gpu? I also want the best possible performance in SC as well. Thanks ahead!
Tried this game for the first time a week ago on a ryzen 7 2700 and radeon 580 RX and it ran like shit. Hadnt done an upgrade for almost 5 years and this game broke me. Went with 7800x3d and a rtx 4070, cant believe the difference, def worth the wait.
Welp, I built a new computer just before discovering sc. I am interest how much performance I would gain by upgrading my 7600x to 7800x3d. Playing in 2k.
If you compare the 7700X and 7800X3D results in the graphs that should give you a pretty good estimate of the upgrade. The 7700x should perform pretty close to the 7600x.
Hello! I hope you are very well, thank you very much for your content! I wanted to ask you if you have information about the performance of the ryzen 7 5800x vs the r5 5600x, if it affects a lot in Star Citizen, I am between those two processors that fit my budget.
Hi! The 5800x and 5600x should perform pretty much the same- maybe a few FPS extra with the 5800x. SC doesn't really use the extra cores, but the clock speed would give a little boost in performance. Unless you can stretch to a 5800X3D, I'd personally go for the 5600x (which would perform only a tiny bit better than the 5600 in the graphs in this video).
once again a wonderful video! Well done and thank you for your time and effort! From my experience the 7950x3d is the bet purchase in my humble opinion. Personally i like to have many programms in the backround. More specifically i have like 10 windows open in opera gx, nvidia and amd programs like nvidia control panel and amd master, lian li program for fans monitoring, gpu tweek and armoury crate to monitor my asus rog 4090 strix oc edition and asus x670e extreme mobo, razer synapse , vpc software to calibrate and do anything i might need to do with my hosas constelation alpha primes and filmora to record my gameplay. I use process lasso so all these programms run at the non 3d ccd and i set star citizen to run only at the 3d cache ccd and i get the same frame as you get in your wonderful video maybe sometimes a bit higher. I play in a g9 odyssey which is 5120x1440p. To be honest i doubt if ihad a 7800x3d it would be able to keep up and give me the same perfomance. So for people like me 7950x3d is the solution. Once again beautiful video ! Keep up the good work!
Very hard to say without testing it, but out of the box I would expect it to be slower than the x3d chips. Some people have had quick a lot of success overclocking and tweaking ram with the intel chips, so you might be able to get it close to the 7800X3D with some work.
I personally think that the future upgrade options make am5 more appealing than the current intel options (but not everyone would agree). SC doesn't really use more the 6cores 12 threads, so higher core cpu's don't really make much sense at this point (that could change in the future)!
I change servers for each run, switching between US and EU. You can't really stay on one server- it could be running really well (or badly), you need the variations.
I built myself my first gaming pc in over 10 years about a week ago. 7800X3D , RX7900XT , 32Gb DDR5 5600Mhz Cl32 ram. Looks like i made the right choice on the cpu. Ill be playing on a 27 inch 1440p monitor , My eyesight aint good enough to really see the difference at 4k.
Money unfortunately! I was planning to test i7/r7 parts against each other this gen, but amd releasing the 7950X3D before the 7800X3D messed up my plans really.
what are you seeing in terms of cpu usage while playing? with my 7800x3d i get like up to 80% usage and on my 7900xt i get 80-100% and get like 40-75 fps in cities. just wondering if i get the same as you or if i have a problem.
Yeah in an ideal world I'd like to do that. I don't think it would perform much better than the 5600 though- the extra clock speed would help, but I don't think dramatically!
I'm running a 5800X that's fairly optimized (per core undervolt) and it runs a rock-solid 4.6-4.7GHz in the toughest areas, 100% utilization and temps hovering around 81-83C worst-case (air-cooled, ambient temp 25C, throttling is at 85C). I've been getting 20-50 frames in Lorville and quantum 95-120'ish at 1440p with a 3070. The CPU and the GPU seem to max out around the same time, lol. It's capable enough that I haven't felt like it would benefit me to upgrade to a 5800X3D.
In theory the extra clock speed should help it a bit compared to the 13700kf, but the extra cores won't really do anything. If you overclock it and tune your ram you can get more performance out of the intel cpu's.
TUF motherboards are bad when you want to go with better cpus. Look for Hero boards or alike, these are the way to go for max performance. lower latency on ram, and higher room for everything with cpu and ram
I'm sitting with a 3900xt and a 2080ti on a Asus Crosshair VII. Things run ok but I'm considering upgrading starting with the 7800. Anyone know if it's compatible with my current mobo? "Asus VII"
If you've got a 3900x the best CPU you could upgrade to would be the 5800X3D (which would be a pretty big upgrade!). You've got an am4 motherboard, the 7800X3D needs an am5 motherboard!
Money is the main reason, there is a limit to what I can spend! But in theory the 13900k should perform a little better than the 13700KF (the extra cores won't help in SC, but the small clock speed boost should). Overclocking is more of an option though on Intel, so you potentially you could push a 13900k quite far. Hopefully as the channel grows I'll be able to pick up more of the higher end cpus!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Also keep in mind that the Core i9 has more L3 cache than the Core i7. So it can be a non negligible difference in a game like Star Citizen besides the better memory support. When you're using the i7 instead of the i9 you're not showing the whole picture on the Intel side. AMD CPUs have the same amount of L3 cache/V-cache per CCD so there's effectively no point in going beyond the R7 7800X3D for gaming comparisons on the AMD side.
Please help me figure it out! updated 3070 to 4080. As a result, FPS became lower in universe and arena commander, but much higher in star marine. What could it be? My pc is 10700k 32gb ssd
FPS definitely shouldn't be worse with a 4080! The CPU will be the bottleneck in that system, so in the cities the FPS will probably be about the same with both GPU's. If performance is better in SM then the card is working properly. You could put the 3070 back in and see if the FPS is still the same in cities.
@@tenpoundfortytwo 4080 fps is about 20 less than 3070 with 10700K Only 40-50% gpu loading and 60% cpu loading. Reinstalling Windows didn't help, running OBS didn't help either. In all other games 4080 works fine. In Star marine mode 125-165fps (1440p) and a good load on the gpu and cpu. In Universe, Arena Commander modes low fps. The problem is not the 10700K.
How comes with the 7800 X3D, 7900xtx and 32gb ram 6000hz I can't run it properly!? I played around with all the settings and also watched a video about the settings, but it's too laggy...
@@festersmith8352 actually I sorted… Internet wasn’t the problem, the problem were some settings in the graphics section, but I also reckon that during the period I was trying to play the first time (when I wrote the comment) the game was really bugged, cuz for example I never been able to skip the tutorial, now the game it’s way better… idk maybe was something different… thanks for the comment anyway
Yeah, a number of people have asked why there isn't one on the list! My personal feeling is that the i9's or r9's are not really worth it for gaming (even though they perform a little better), but I may have to invest in the next gen.
I don't think it's that Intel performs so badly- it's just that the X3D chips have a bit of an advantage- especially in those first few scenes! If you are happy to overclock and tune your RAM you should be able to close the gap!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Well, even the 7700X seems to be much more powerful here vs the i7, than it is in other games. I was definitely not going to buy a 7800X3D at its current price. On the used market, I bought the i5-13600K, DDR4 3600 CL16 and the B760M motherboard, all for less than what the 7800X3D costs. I still kinda regret not going down the AM5 path, as I would've definitely replaced the CPU with something-X3D eventually and now that won't be an option. I missed very good, but very rare deals on B650 motherboards, and 7600X / 7700X CPUs.
@@JAnx01 I think everyone will get buyers remorse sooner or later. I went with B650E and 7600x and now I regret that I didn't get the 7800x3d 😅 6 months from now it might look completely different.
There have been problems with Asus, not AMD, Asus have been overvolting the CPU to way beyond AMD's recommendations and that's what caused them to blow up, blame Asus, not AMD.
@@LayerZlayer2000 Yeah, Asus did fix it, its true that Gigabyte also did the same thing, just not as bad, the point i'm making is AMD set guidance for 1.3v maximum for the IMC, that's when overvolted, default is 1.2v, Gigabyte and particularly Asus ignored that and set 1.5v, which is far too high, but as you rightly said its all fixed now and was fixed soon after all this came out.
Cool and all, but i hope people arent shoveling out money for an overkill cpu just becausw SC is so poorly optimized it runs 20% as well as it should/will when they pull their finger out
Not surprised with all the problems for the 7000 practice series.. I won't be buying an AM5 board until there is a zen5 chip thats actually built specifically for the socket.. These Zen4 based 7000 series chips where bound to have a bunch a problems.. 🔥 They originated from am4 tech, power and temps..
Thanks for the Video! I am currently running SC on a RX 6700 XT with an intel I5 11600 KF system with some 32 GB 3200 DDR4, I want to switch out the MOBO, RAM and now the CPU to a 7800X3D whilst keeping the 6700 XT Hope i can push the performance like this a bit. I would love your two pennies on this :D @tenpoundfortytwo
Yeah that should be a very nice upgrade! The 6700xt is perfect for 1080p and usable at 1440p, so should be fine for a while longer. The cpu upgrade should really help performance overall.
think my ryzen 9 7950x3d is still better well fun fact i said this without watching the video wasnt wrong haha but ah i see 4080 was shocked but got a 4090 so its even better
@@Alucard-gt1zf no it isnt. that is what a threadripper is. high end ryzen cpu should be able to do everything and moreover be capable of doing more things that a gaming labled cpu. imagine calling 4080 4090 non gaming gpu but only prodution gpu. how stupid is this? not even intel fucks that hard as amd does with their top end. and regardless price difference between 7800x3d and 7950x3d is very small. yet that chip wont perform any better with higher frequency and cache unless you turn of one side of the non 3d die.
Been holding out on an upgrade for nearly SEVEN YEARS, but I think this is the one for me :) Your incredibly comprehensive testing and explanations have taught me so much since I found your channel and since I think this game will be setting benchmark standards for years to come I want my next build to absolutely demolish it (I've been playing 10-20fps average since 2019, only recently getting above 30 with new updates). Your testing has essentially assembled a parts list for me, thank you!
Happy to help! An upgrade after 7 years should be massive! Enjoy!
It's so funny, I remember people talking about trying to come up with the best builds possible for Star Citizen back in 2013 at PAX East.
@@RecklessFablesI remember talking about CPUs etc on the forum way back when.
But I don't remember any of the conclusions...
I got this after a 6600k. It's amazing.
I was in a similar situation! Last upgrade was 2017 before I built my new rig with the 7800X3D. Loving it so far!
Thank you for taking the time to run a 4K test! It gives me something to compare… I need to go back to Loreville and run a test on my system. I’m not sure a 7800X3D will do much better than my 7900X at 4K.
I did an upgrade from an I7, DDR4 and 3rd gen m. 2 system to the 7800x3D and ddr5 with gen 4 SSD's and haven't looked back. Cracking system that made SC feel like it had a performance update patch.
Great video. I upgrade my am4 build from a 3600 to the 5800x3d last year. I plan on using it for another 1 to 2 years. I will grab the 9800x3d. I like the second generation chip. So much polish.
Thanks!
I also loved my 5800 x 3D!
The 5800x3d was the perfect capstone for the platform. It's going to let me ride AM4 until the 3rd generation of AM5 or even just skip to AM6
@@RecklessFables yes it is a great chip.
its a year now
and yesterday the 9800x3d got released world wide
launch day
are you getting one like you said
This makes me want to wait a bit and not upgrade to the 5800x3d but instead get a 7800x3d or just wait for the 8000 series. Thanks for the test!
No problem! What cpu do you have at the moment? Yep the 8000 series is going to be interesting!
@@tenpoundfortytwo still running a 3700x. It's undervolted and runs well enough on SC so far.
The best time to upgrade is always tomorrow. Technology always gets better and today's prices decrease, the only exception was when we had the convergence of covid plus Bitcoin mining. So upgrading is a matter of personal finances versus personal requirements for their entertainment set up
@@RecklessFables In retrospect, upgrading to i5-6600K right after it came out in August 2015 + an expensive Z170 was an awful move on my part. It has aged horribly. Even Battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5 stutter on medium / high.
Try for a Black Friday deal on the 7800x, as a gaming CPU it should hold up well into the 9xxx series.
Thanks so much for figuring this out!!!
Just built my dream pc. 7800x3d and 4080x MAGic with this game now
Appreciate all the work you put into this - I've been enjoying the 7950x3D / 4090 combo (was time for an upgrade and I drive a crappy car 😂) - Lorville defo tanks my FPS once you get into flying around it, however it looks glorious and with Vulkan coming I'm very interested to see how this improves. Also I read HDR may well be in with 3.20, which is welcomed!
Nice system! Yeah vulkan is going to be very interesting to test! That's good news about HDR- 3.20 would be great!
running an intel i9-13900ks with 7200mhz memory overclocked to 7800mhz on a 4090 (while still being cpu-bound and having 30% performance left, meaning a 4070 or 3080 would be enough already) gives you even more fps, especially stable fps. AMDs x3d chips excell at LOW LOAD, this is why you get massive fps in space where there is nothing to load. if you go into a big space battle or into a city where there is high load , x3d performs way worse and the big L3 cache doesnt matter anymore cause it gets overflown anyway, so the CPU gives load to the RAM but AMD ram is capped at 6 or 6400mhz max atm, while intel can go up to 8400 as far as i have seen a motherboard do. believe it or not but even from 7800 to 8400 you get almost 10fps more. from a stock 7800x3d with max 6/6400mhz to a tuned 13900ks with 7200mhz base ram OCd to 7800 there is like over 30 fps difference that the 7800x3d cand keep up with. also if you look at the cpu ticks x3d have microstutters all over the place while the even tuned 13900 runs much more stable, meaning less 1% low fps dips in games, which is the most common part about star citizen, lorville etc.
obviously the 13900ks consumes over double the power with that and is probably 30degrees hotter, so you also probably should undervolt it
Just built a new rig and went AMD 7800X3D RX 7900 XTX Taichi, Hurston 70 fps, trip to space peaked at 160 FPS
Very nice!
4K?
Thanks, about to get son's old 6850k based computer updated - and thinking my 5800x3d would be perfect for him, with the 7800x3d for me. I'm still hamstrung by a 3070, but a 4090 can come later. Happy to see 7800x3d performing so solidly, thanks.
Would love to see how the 7900x stacks up. This video gave me some idea on how important 3d vcache is for SC, but I'd like to see the comparison between the 7900x and the 7800x3d, as they are direct price competitors at the moment.
In theory the 7900x should perform pretty closely to the 7700X- the extra cores wont help in SC, but the clock speed will a little bit. But the 7900X is 2 6 core chiplets put together- which can sometimes lose performance vs 1 8core chiplet (that the 7700x has).
1:50 Just add a note under the Intel CPUs (DDR4) That's fair.
I just ordered my 7800X3d and then this video drops. I also got the 7900XT to take advantage of the PCIE 5 technology. 64GB of DDR5 at 6kMHZ. I am hoping the AM5 is now stable, but I went with the Gigabyte board, for it seems to be more consistent. I am planning to beef up my old system for my son in the Christmas.
That's a great system! Enjoy!
I upgraded to a 5800x3d from a dying 3600 (memory controller needed extra voltage to not crash) for 280 dollars paired with my 6950xt for 580 dollars and at 1440p star citizen plays at 60fps stable, 4k is a bit much but compared to my last gpu (6700xt) this is loads better. May upgrade to am5 in the future if motherboards and ddr5 get cheap enough though. I wouldn't mind a 7800x3d build in the future for under 600-700 dollars.
I have just built my new comp with a 7800x3d in. Now I can play SC again without half the station missing :)
Very nice! Yeah not easy to play with a missing station!
@@tenpoundfortytwo working fine now. Just the 2070 super being only 8gb vram is the new bottleneck
Good video, just a heads up, at least for me, your videos seem a bit dark, especially the game footage and you talking to camera, which could also use some more contrast.
Good info thanks!
This is the video I was waiting for, thx !
No problem! Sorry it took so long!
Will wait for the second generation of AM5. My current built still great with all the right settings
nice work, good cpu references data
Thanks!
I also have that x670 tuf board and I dont have problems at all. But each system is different. Havent tested SC yet but I will
Yeah I think I just got a bad one, I'm sure others will be fine!
thanks for the info you are a star for doing this. looking at the way AM5 has started I wished i had waited a little more but I had waited a year and half LOL I may look at the 8800x3d when it comes either end of the year or start of next all wait like my plan for a chip socket change and then get the last X3d chip and just live with that but I may change earlier.
No problem! There is never a perfect time to buy unfortunately! It's going to be very interesting to see how am5 progresses- 8000 and 9000 chips should bring some improvements!
I play with this and I have virtually no issue with star citizen
I just purchased a 5600X3D system with a Radeon 6500 XT card at Microcenter for $850. I'm getting 60-80fps on stations and 60-120 fps in space. It is fantastic for the price. I am jealous because that is the gaming rig for my family. I'm using a Lenovo Legion gaming laptop with a 3060. :(
Nice system! You need to get your family on the laptop so you can use the pc!
I don't believe you. The 5600X3D is just a rumor. It doesn't actually exist.
@@JAnx01 hopefully you are just joking right? You can look it up. It's real :)
Heh, I am running SC on a 1050Ti laptop! It kinda works. :)
@ I have an old gaming laptop with a 1060 and it runs... But just barely.
Thank you. 7800X3D & 4090. This is the way.
This is the way (if you can afford the 4090)!
So I could get a ryzen 9 (am4) and stay on the am4 platform longer. Currently running 5600x. Thanks for the raw data, as always top notch.
The 5900x or 5950x won't really bring any extra performance (a tiny bit but not worth it imo). The only real option for an am4 upgrade is the 5800x3d!
Thank you very much for your in depth review! I'll be returning to SC and your channel is the only one that has been helpful with getting a system build. I'm going to be returning my 5600x 3d for a 7700 or 7600 and just switch that system over so don't have to worry about the V Cache being used. I'll probably upgrade to the 9800x 3d whenever they come out with that chip lol. I just figured it would be smarter to start on a system that's not at end of life. I just feel overall that games are going to be using the cpu more so it would be a good idea to get the best cpu I can since I'm building my system from scratch.
I was wondering do you have a list of AMD cards that you have tested? I was looking into just getting a rx 6800 as they can be had for pretty cheap until the next generation of cards come out.
Of the top end cards I've only tested the 7900XTX (which matches the 4080). With GPU's you generally can look at big tech youtubers reviews of them and get a rough idea of how it would perform in SC. From a quick google it look like the 3080 and 6800 perform similarly- and the 3080 is plenty for 1440p in SC right now!
My 7800 xd3 is getting very hot. In Idle I have a temperature of 70-75 Celsius and while gaming 80-85 Celsius. It's watercooled by Endorfy 360 ARGB
I suspect the lesser effect of V-cache in some areas comes from the implementation of Gen 12 renderer features in the current live build. CIG also made the game run better on Intel hybrid architectures. I no longer need to turn off E-cores or use Process Lasso on my Intel CPU. It will be interesting to see how those chips behave once Vulkan is fully implemented. I hope they'll also bring ray tracing with it.
i got this guy!! And its a BEAST! Im wondering to get a 4090.. What do u think?? Or a 4080 is enought?
You could argue that the 4090 is actually a better deal than the 4080 for the performance it gives (but obviously a lot more money). I would say that the 4080 is just about a 4k60fps card in Star Citizen- if you're not playing a 4K then I don't think you need either!
The fucking amazing thing is that the 7800x3d ( even with all powerdraw-settings set @suckasmutchasyouwant ) draws under no circumstances over 80 watts
It's interesting to me that my 3900x with PBO opened up can do 40-60 in Orison. A 5800x3d should be a sizable upgrade before I build a new DDR5 system.
My ryzen 7 2700 (oc 4ghz) was not good on last patch(
Lorvile 10-23fps
Small planet 40fps~
Porttresler/olisar/harbor 25-40fps
Great video thanks!
Thanks!
late to this great video. just want to seek your opinion, is it worth to change from 5800x to 5700/5800x3d? having a 4070ti with 64gb ddr4 3200, running 4k with balance dlss. experience low fps at city/crowded places thinking of getting x3d but not change platform. thanks
This should give you a rough idea of what to expect if you upgrade to one of the x3d cpu's: th-cam.com/video/2xrIAwPV8B4/w-d-xo.html
The 5600x would be a little bit slower than the 5800x you have, but pretty close.
are you working on updated video after 3.23 patch?
Hello again!:)
I’ve looked around and I am quite sure imma get the 7 5800x3d but, I’ve also found the i9 12900k… which one is going to be better for stat Citizen? (It paired with an 4070)
The 12900k should perform around the same as the 13700kf (possibly a little better). So I imagine there will be some areas of the game where the 5800x3d wins and some where it loses. Both are at the end of the line in terms of upgrades though so if its a new system I'd still be tempted to stretch out to one of the am5 cpus if you can!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Mhm, if I instead go with the i7 13700k, how will that perform compared with the other 2 mentioned? (Still with the 4070, and also, will there be any bottleneck?)
The cpu is pretty much going to always be the bottleneck in Star Citizen (unless you're playing at 4k). The 13700k will perform like the 13700kf in the video!
When is the right time to invest in a new CPU, considering ongoing development?
Tricky one to answer! The people who built a pc back in 2012 for the game will have upgraded multiple times since then. But if you're actually playing the game right now then I guess now is a good time to buy. When SQ42 releases we'll have something substantial to play, so that might be a good time to buy. The good news about all of the current hardware is that it should perform pretty well into the future, so now is not a bad time to invest.
@@tenpoundfortytwo tyvm
What SSD you are using? trying to build a new comp for Star Citizen and want to get it right on the first try.
I've had no issues with the Samsung nvmes, but to be honest it won't make any real difference for SC performance. Any decent brand should be fine!
Hello brother! Great video as always, I want to build new PC after 10 years of service :) So my aim is to play video games at 2k resolution, 144hz ultra settings with raytracing on or off depending on the game optimisation. I also plan to use unreal engine 5 as a hobby. What do you suggest in this particular case regarding cpu/gpu? I also want the best possible performance in SC as well. Thanks ahead!
Tried this game for the first time a week ago on a ryzen 7 2700 and radeon 580 RX and it ran like shit. Hadnt done an upgrade for almost 5 years and this game broke me. Went with 7800x3d and a rtx 4070, cant believe the difference, def worth the wait.
Hey, I had that same setup. A hp gaming PC? I upgraded the ram to 32 and gpu 1660ti for $200 in 2022.
Welp, I built a new computer just before discovering sc. I am interest how much performance I would gain by upgrading my 7600x to 7800x3d. Playing in 2k.
If you compare the 7700X and 7800X3D results in the graphs that should give you a pretty good estimate of the upgrade. The 7700x should perform pretty close to the 7600x.
Hello! I hope you are very well, thank you very much for your content! I wanted to ask you if you have information about the performance of the ryzen 7 5800x vs the r5 5600x, if it affects a lot in Star Citizen, I am between those two processors that fit my budget.
Hi! The 5800x and 5600x should perform pretty much the same- maybe a few FPS extra with the 5800x. SC doesn't really use the extra cores, but the clock speed would give a little boost in performance. Unless you can stretch to a 5800X3D, I'd personally go for the 5600x (which would perform only a tiny bit better than the 5600 in the graphs in this video).
@@tenpoundfortytwo thx u so much!
Can't wait for the Area18 rework to bring it all crashing down back to 30fps :p
😂Yep, I'm sure it's in the works!
once again a wonderful video! Well done and thank you for your time and effort! From my experience the 7950x3d is the bet purchase in my humble opinion. Personally i like to have many programms in the backround. More specifically i have like 10 windows open in opera gx, nvidia and amd programs like nvidia control panel and amd master, lian li program for fans monitoring, gpu tweek and armoury crate to monitor my asus rog 4090 strix oc edition and asus x670e extreme mobo, razer synapse , vpc software to calibrate and do anything i might need to do with my hosas constelation alpha primes and filmora to record my gameplay. I use process lasso so all these programms run at the non 3d ccd and i set star citizen to run only at the 3d cache ccd and i get the same frame as you get in your wonderful video maybe sometimes a bit higher. I play in a g9 odyssey which is 5120x1440p. To be honest i doubt if ihad a 7800x3d it would be able to keep up and give me the same perfomance. So for people like me 7950x3d is the solution. Once again beautiful video ! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the encouragement! Yeah I should've mentioned background apps and heavy users, the 7950x3d does make a lot more sense in that case!
Do you think the 13900k would be 2nd or 3rd place?
Very hard to say without testing it, but out of the box I would expect it to be slower than the x3d chips. Some people have had quick a lot of success overclocking and tweaking ram with the intel chips, so you might be able to get it close to the 7800X3D with some work.
@@tenpoundfortytwo I'm building a new pc for fun. And I may go with 7950x3d or 7800x3d. I have a 5900x
The only CPU intensive game where i9s dominate seems to be DCS.
@@JAnx01 Maybe the i9 would do great for SC
@@Mr_J112 Dunno, but here's the 7800X3D vs i9-12900K comparison in DCS if anybody's interested:
th-cam.com/video/4LH9WP-szaw/w-d-xo.html
I upgraded to 7800x3d but am using my old RX6800. Can I now play at 4K with decent FPS?
I think the 6800XT will struggle a bit at 4K. You could use AMD's driver upscaling and FSR will come to the game eventually though.
@@tenpoundfortytwo I have the RX 6800 non XT version though. So it won't run?
@Satyajit_Dey oh sorry missed that- it will still run, but I just don't think it will be great at 4k!
@@tenpoundfortytwo oh thanks .... Sad
Would it be best to stay with 7800x3d for 4K in star citizen? Or go for higher core intel CPU?
I personally think that the future upgrade options make am5 more appealing than the current intel options (but not everyone would agree). SC doesn't really use more the 6cores 12 threads, so higher core cpu's don't really make much sense at this point (that could change in the future)!
@@tenpoundfortytwo That's a good point. Thank you for your reply
When you do these runs, do you stay on the same server for all of them (ie, take the tram all the way back to the residence building?)
I change servers for each run, switching between US and EU. You can't really stay on one server- it could be running really well (or badly), you need the variations.
@@tenpoundfortytwo ahh ok makes sense. So are you doing multiple runs at each resolution and going for an average?
@@blub9217 yep exactly that!
I built myself my first gaming pc in over 10 years about a week ago.
7800X3D , RX7900XT , 32Gb DDR5 5600Mhz Cl32 ram.
Looks like i made the right choice on the cpu.
Ill be playing on a 27 inch 1440p monitor , My eyesight aint good enough to really see the difference at 4k.
Very nice system!
me too from i5 4670k to 7800x3d. 4090 , 96gb DDR5 6400mhz cl32
@@meuhey after a bios update o finally got my ddr5 to run at the 6000mhz it was rated for , Was a nice bonus.
what about 13900K? is it better then 7900X3D? on papaer - it should
why no 13900ks against the x3d parts?
Money unfortunately! I was planning to test i7/r7 parts against each other this gen, but amd releasing the 7950X3D before the 7800X3D messed up my plans really.
Is it good if i use my gpu 6700xt with a ryzen 7 7800x3d? RIght now iam using cpu ryzen5 5800x but its on 100%
Yeah should be a good upgrade at 1080p!
I need cooler recommendation for 7800x3d
Mine is fine with a noctua dh15!
be quiet silent loop 2
what are you seeing in terms of cpu usage while playing?
with my 7800x3d i get like up to 80% usage and on my 7900xt i get 80-100% and get like 40-75 fps in cities.
just wondering if i get the same as you or if i have a problem.
I would really like to see the 5800x(non 3D) added to these charts as it is the highest clocking part for am4. I feel like it could be interesting.
Yeah in an ideal world I'd like to do that. I don't think it would perform much better than the 5600 though- the extra clock speed would help, but I don't think dramatically!
I'm running a 5800X that's fairly optimized (per core undervolt) and it runs a rock-solid 4.6-4.7GHz in the toughest areas, 100% utilization and temps hovering around 81-83C worst-case (air-cooled, ambient temp 25C, throttling is at 85C). I've been getting 20-50 frames in Lorville and quantum 95-120'ish at 1440p with a 3070. The CPU and the GPU seem to max out around the same time, lol. It's capable enough that I haven't felt like it would benefit me to upgrade to a 5800X3D.
how does 13900k compare on this list?
In theory the extra clock speed should help it a bit compared to the 13700kf, but the extra cores won't really do anything. If you overclock it and tune your ram you can get more performance out of the intel cpu's.
I also had issues with the ASUS TUF motherboard with the X3D chip. Worked fine with the 7700X but the 7800X3D was poogarbage.
Yeah it's a strange one! My first Asus board ever, might turn out being my last!
TUF motherboards are bad when you want to go with better cpus.
Look for Hero boards or alike, these are the way to go for max performance. lower latency on ram, and higher room for everything with cpu and ram
I'm sitting with a 3900xt and a 2080ti on a Asus Crosshair VII.
Things run ok but I'm considering upgrading starting with the 7800. Anyone know if it's compatible with my current mobo? "Asus VII"
If you've got a 3900x the best CPU you could upgrade to would be the 5800X3D (which would be a pretty big upgrade!). You've got an am4 motherboard, the 7800X3D needs an am5 motherboard!
@tenpoundfortytwo thanks alot. I'll look into that!
@tenpoundfortytwo would you say that 5800x3d couples well with the 2080ti or would the gpu be holding back the cpu pretty bad?
What resolution do you play at? The 2080ti is still a very capable gpu so I'm sure it'll perform well enough at 1080p and likely also at 1440p.
@@tenpoundfortytwo 1440p. OK, I'll look into this cpu
Why did you not compare it to the 13900 series?
Money is the main reason, there is a limit to what I can spend! But in theory the 13900k should perform a little better than the 13700KF (the extra cores won't help in SC, but the small clock speed boost should). Overclocking is more of an option though on Intel, so you potentially you could push a 13900k quite far.
Hopefully as the channel grows I'll be able to pick up more of the higher end cpus!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Also keep in mind that the Core i9 has more L3 cache than the Core i7. So it can be a non negligible difference in a game like Star Citizen besides the better memory support. When you're using the i7 instead of the i9 you're not showing the whole picture on the Intel side. AMD CPUs have the same amount of L3 cache/V-cache per CCD so there's effectively no point in going beyond the R7 7800X3D for gaming comparisons on the AMD side.
@@PatEagle787 a very good point!
Please help me figure it out! updated 3070 to 4080. As a result, FPS became lower in universe and arena commander, but much higher in star marine. What could it be? My pc is 10700k 32gb ssd
FPS definitely shouldn't be worse with a 4080! The CPU will be the bottleneck in that system, so in the cities the FPS will probably be about the same with both GPU's. If performance is better in SM then the card is working properly. You could put the 3070 back in and see if the FPS is still the same in cities.
@@tenpoundfortytwo 4080 fps is about 20 less than 3070 with 10700K
Only 40-50% gpu loading and 60% cpu loading.
Reinstalling Windows didn't help, running OBS didn't help either. In all other games 4080 works fine. In Star marine mode 125-165fps (1440p) and a good load on the gpu
and cpu. In Universe, Arena Commander modes low fps. The problem is not the 10700K.
I wouldn´t take something with a "3D" in front not even if they gift it to me... remember AMD´s "3dnow!" instruction? XD
How comes with the 7800 X3D, 7900xtx and 32gb ram 6000hz I can't run it properly!? I played around with all the settings and also watched a video about the settings, but it's too laggy...
Server performance and your internet connection have something to do with performance as well.
You don't want to be using wifi for example.
@@festersmith8352 actually I sorted…
Internet wasn’t the problem, the problem were some settings in the graphics section, but I also reckon that during the period I was trying to play the first time (when I wrote the comment) the game was really bugged, cuz for example I never been able to skip the tutorial, now the game it’s way better… idk maybe was something different… thanks for the comment anyway
@@AlbyintheskyGlad you got it worked out.
uhuu finally
Yep, sorry!
Iunno... Went from a 13900KF to the 7800X3D (my 13900KF died), and I lost 30%
You might need to invest in a I9-13900 ;)
Yeah, a number of people have asked why there isn't one on the list! My personal feeling is that the i9's or r9's are not really worth it for gaming (even though they perform a little better), but I may have to invest in the next gen.
How come ya never seem to do the 5600x? 😊
I spent my money on the 5600, for this one! Should perform pretty much the same!
the 7900x3d is the redheaded stepchild and never gets picked... lol
just wait till they implement their own ray tracing. 😂😅💥
It's been mentioned in the monthly report, I think it will take a while to get in game though!
The 7950X3D costs alot more (like $400AUD more) for practically no gain.
And here I am, with a brand new i5-13600K + DDR4 rig. Dammit, why does intel perform so bad in Star Citizen?
I don't think it's that Intel performs so badly- it's just that the X3D chips have a bit of an advantage- especially in those first few scenes! If you are happy to overclock and tune your RAM you should be able to close the gap!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Well, even the 7700X seems to be much more powerful here vs the i7, than it is in other games. I was definitely not going to buy a 7800X3D at its current price. On the used market, I bought the i5-13600K, DDR4 3600 CL16 and the B760M motherboard, all for less than what the 7800X3D costs.
I still kinda regret not going down the AM5 path, as I would've definitely replaced the CPU with something-X3D eventually and now that won't be an option. I missed very good, but very rare deals on B650 motherboards, and 7600X / 7700X CPUs.
@@JAnx01 I think everyone will get buyers remorse sooner or later. I went with B650E and 7600x and now I regret that I didn't get the 7800x3d 😅 6 months from now it might look completely different.
There have been problems with Asus, not AMD, Asus have been overvolting the CPU to way beyond AMD's recommendations and that's what caused them to blow up, blame Asus, not AMD.
Other manufacturers have been having issues, but yeah Asus seem to be the worst!
got an asus rog strix x670e-f gaming wifi i heard about that but its solved long ago i think even before your comment
@@LayerZlayer2000 Yeah, Asus did fix it, its true that Gigabyte also did the same thing, just not as bad, the point i'm making is AMD set guidance for 1.3v maximum for the IMC, that's when overvolted, default is 1.2v, Gigabyte and particularly Asus ignored that and set 1.5v, which is far too high, but as you rightly said its all fixed now and was fixed soon after all this came out.
Cool and all, but i hope people arent shoveling out money for an overkill cpu just becausw SC is so poorly optimized it runs 20% as well as it should/will when they pull their finger out
Yeah a fair point!
Not surprised with all the problems for the 7000 practice series.. I won't be buying an AM5 board until there is a zen5 chip thats actually built specifically for the socket..
These Zen4 based 7000 series chips where bound to have a bunch a problems.. 🔥 They originated from am4 tech, power and temps..
Meanwhile starfield......5800x3d matches 11400f per HUB.
and now even bundled with Starfield
Yep, helps sweeten the deal!
How terribly this comment aged :(
Thanks for the Video! I am currently running SC on a RX 6700 XT with an intel I5 11600 KF system with some 32 GB 3200 DDR4, I want to switch out the MOBO, RAM and now the CPU to a 7800X3D whilst keeping the 6700 XT Hope i can push the performance like this a bit. I would love your two pennies on this :D @tenpoundfortytwo
Yeah that should be a very nice upgrade! The 6700xt is perfect for 1080p and usable at 1440p, so should be fine for a while longer. The cpu upgrade should really help performance overall.
think my ryzen 9 7950x3d is still better well fun fact i said this without watching the video wasnt wrong haha but ah i see 4080 was shocked but got a 4090 so its even better
Dude.. I'm going fucking insane, everyone one is saying everything and idk who has the truth. I'm just trying to figure out where to start
that is sad that 7950x3D cant beat 7800x3D. Like even after turning CCD off, and having way higher boost clock, thats nuts.
The 7950x3d really isn't a gaming cpu
It's a production cpu with x3d
@@Alucard-gt1zf no it isnt. that is what a threadripper is. high end ryzen cpu should be able to do everything and moreover be capable of doing more things that a gaming labled cpu.
imagine calling 4080 4090 non gaming gpu but only prodution gpu. how stupid is this?
not even intel fucks that hard as amd does with their top end.
and regardless price difference between 7800x3d and 7950x3d is very small. yet that chip wont perform any better with higher frequency and cache unless you turn of one side of the non 3d die.
79503d lol
Has to be a real piece of shit software if it needs a 400 USD CPU.
Cyberpunk looks WAY better and runs way better
SC engine is trash
Does it pair well with 7900XT?
Also my PSU is 650w, should I be worried about energy consumption?
Should be great with a 7900XT at 1440p! I think 650W should be enough- the 7800X3D isn't that power hungry.
Great video! Thank you!!